March 6, 2024 • 56 mins
Crimes! Murders! Wire Fraud! These are all very exciting things to talk about. But do you know what makes them 1000 times MORE exciting? When they happen in the military. That’s right, today Cam and Izzy are going to be running their gums about military crimes, misdemeanors and whodunnits, both in pop culture and some real life stories. So put on your sleuthing shoes and let’s see if we can solve some of these- oh. They’ve all been solved already so we’re off the hook and we can just talk about them.
A game fittingly titled "Crimes And Misdemeanors" caps off the show. This one is educational AND fun, so it's a two for one type of deal.
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A game fittingly titled "Crimes And Misdemeanors" caps off the show. This one is educational AND fun, so it's a two for one type of deal.
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In town, in town, there'sa gutta fun to make it true.
Welcome everybody to another amazing and probablyvery disturbing episode of the pop Culture Fielding
Aniel podcast. I'm Israel, thisis Cameron. We are happy to be
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back with you for another amazing time. By the way, folks, if
you like what you're seeing here,especially on YouTube. We got the first
formation with me talking about amazing andamazing things in pop culture that are coming
up for the week ahead, andthen the debrief with Cameron military news that
has happened in the prior week.And then we're also goet we had some
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great stuff in the work so thatwe're working on literally right now before I
was texting somebody somebody cool, andwe're working on some content for for that.
So subscribe to the YouTube channel,like tell your friends, follow,
comment, blah blah blah blah blahblah blah. Now that the lighthearted stuff
is getting out of the way,bring in the dark dude, I am.
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I'm actually really excited that that's thatsounds weird, Cameron. It does
sound really, but let me explainmyself because you obviously have no context as
to what we're talking about. Sotoday I had this idea, and I've
been watching a lot of a lotof criminal minds lately. I've been watching
some Monk, I've been watching somelike Law and Order. Oh I love,
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yeah, I grew up. Ijust started watching Marvelous Miss Maisel.
He plays the dad and that sooh interesting. Okay, well I have
no idea what that is, butsuper cool. But yeah, so pretty
much I've been watching like Law andOrder s for you. So all these
crimes, like all these real lifelike mystery crimes, and as we all
know, crimes and the mysteries aresuper popular on the podcast platform. I
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mean there's I are like sections forhim. Oh yeah, and you know
who does not have a short ofmysterious and sexual and murders and you know,
assault based crimes. Our beloved military. Salute to you, Military salute
to you. So we are goingto do an episode on some of the
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craziest you know, kind of reallife CSI and pop culture portrayals of like
you know, military crimes, yep, yep, military crimes. And and
you know, not to put downthe military too much. The military is
full of people, and people canbe weird, people can be crazy people,
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you know, so it's just it'sjust more in a concentrated environment,
because you're in a structured environment likethe military, that these things really pop
out. And most most military peopleare just normal every day guys and girls
and who go about their day andthey perform their job with honor. But
some of them are weird dark urges. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot
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of weirdos in the military, man, Yeah, there are. And it's
the I think what it's funny isthat the military structure, the left right
left structuring that happens in the military, got the uniforms, and it's supposed
to be kind of squared away.For some reason, I think maybe maybe
it either incurage, like it causesit to squeeze out more, and at
least when it or when it doeshappen, it's like more shocking because you're
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like, I thought these were supposedto be military people. I thought they
were supposed to be like squared away. Something about the military discipline has kind
of curtailed that supposed to be thebest of us. Yeah, but they're
but they're not. They're sometimes they'rea serial killer. Actually, as we'll
talk about a little bit later inthe episode. Yeah, and I'm sure
you you know you've told some storiesabout the people you've served with crazy stuff.
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I have some stories of people I'veserved with that you know are in
jail now for life. Uh.But yeah, dude, let's let's get
into it. Let's see crime.Should I even read this? Let's see
No, I already did this intro, but we can just skip it.
Yeah, now if you jump rightinto it. Yeah, let's jump right
into it. Because you know,there's a there's a really there's some movies
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that do a really good job ofthis, and like, like I said,
the mystery and the crime, Idon't know why people are so obsessed
with that. Let's first of all, you want to talk about that really?
Yeah, let me try that againwithout smacking my mic. First of
all, you want to talk about, uh, this really about what is
what is you think the draw Whatdo you think is the appeal about like
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murders and rapes and mysteries and allthese things that you know for some people
people are so curious about but likethey are the worst of us and they
are the worst things that can possiblyhappen. What do you think why do
you think people are so like drawnto stuff like this man, I want
to. I always try to putthings within the context of some sort of
kind of primal uni reversal and timeless. I say universal and timeless a lot
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when it comes to aspects of ourhumanity that unite us all that we can
all relate to, Like something thatwe all in a in our guts are
afraid of or know it's coming,or you want to stave it off,
but you want to try to likeexplore it and talk about it and understand
it, you know, in somesort of way, right, because we
all have this sense of it,whether it's self preservation or whether it's love
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for other people kindness. Basically,like we kind of get these basic niceties
or civilization kinds. So so whensomebody goes way off on a tangent and
it's like a serial killer or murderor a you know, or there,
or they're really good at covering itup, Yeah, there's something about that
that urge to explore that and tryto understand that. I think it's just
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kind of basic within our humanity,which is why I why I think at
least murder mysteries are so popular.We want to try to solve these things
because it's I don't know, there'sa fascination that we have with death because
it's so final and it's so important, like basic to our our humanity and
our end and just being living creatureshere that when we see it, it's
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so foreign to us because you know, it's it's like nobody comes back from
that. Well few people come backfrom that, think it Jesus. But
but yeah, So anyway, whatdo you think, man, why do
you think people why do you thinkwe're so fascinated with murder, murder,
mystery, serial killers, that kindof stuff. Why do you think they
capture our imaginations? That's a goodquestion, my brother. You know,
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I think it's I think it's sothis is like a taboo, right,
so people are obsessed with things thatthey can't necessarily do or you know,
or things that are necessarily acceptable ina public eye. Like okay, when
you see someone walking down the street, right, you know nothing about them,
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they could you know, how theyperceived, how you perceived them immediately
based off a judgment, right,that kind of level one thinking or that
what's that book that talks about likeyour initial judgment, you know, you
know, discrimination of disparities, that'ssomething that talks about it. That's a
Thomas Soul kind of book. Uh, thinking fast and Slow. Oh okay,
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cool, Yeah, thinking fast andslow. So I forgot what exactly
what he calls it. But there'stwo types of thinking, right, you
have your fast thinking and you're slowthinking. It's like a level one and
a level two. So level oneis like an immediate perception, but just
based off of observation, right,there's no critical thinking involved. It's just
like, hey, if you seesomeone on the street they look normal,
you assume they're normal. But athome, behind closed doors, you know
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they might be a serial killer orsomething. You have no you have literally
no idea. But uh, youknow, I think there's this attraction too,
you know, acts that are sofrowned upon. There's like this this
adrenaline you get, And that's whywe have things like taboo. That's why
you know, I think pedophiles exist. That's why serial killers exist. They
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go at like I've watched enough criminalminds to I've seen mind hunters. Yeah,
I've watched enough criminal minds to knowthe reason. You know, I've
been inside the head of a serialkiller. So like they do it because
it's that thrill that rush, andlike if you can get that thrill and
that rush kind of living vicuriously throughsomeone or a story or because you know,
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that's why we watch movies, right, they give us a feeling,
they give us They give us happiness, sadness, you know, relief,
joy that make us laugh. AndI think when we hear about murder mystery,
we feel that rush. We feelthat, you know, and either
whether it be the feeling of thedetective arresting them and putting them away and
feeling like you were right there alongsidehim and you did a great thing,
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or you're a little bit more dementedand you feel that rush from like that.
I don't want to feel this way, but I can understand, like,
you know, why they're doing that. It gives you a little taste
of like that feeling and the insideof the head. So maybe that's why
they're you know, people are obsessedwith like more macabre type of type of
things like murders and mysteries. Yeah, that's good stuff, man, that's
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good stuff, No problem, noproblem. Anyways, you know when it
comes to like military stuff, mybeloved military, the love of my life
of the army. Don't tell myfiance said that it'll be around problems.
Just kidding. She doesn't listen anyway, but not really should have listened to
this podcast? Who am I kiding? But like, for example, have
you ever seen the movie Basic withSamuel L. Jackson. Yes, so
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this one also like a mystery tryingto figure out what happened on a military
exercise. You know, it wasjust an exercise, nothing should have gone
wrong, and like you know,they have death and murder and mystery and
oh my, and this DA agentcomes in. But like it's just the
military part that like they get soinaccurate you know that that I'm just like
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cringed at to where it doesn't makeme want to watch it anymore. But
so that's why I'm kind of notreally appealed to like military murder mysteries.
But Basics is a fun one.I watched that one fairly recently within the
last year, and that one wasjust like kind of over the top.
And it also had to do witharmy rangers. So that you know,
when you when you use my title, you know, yeah, then I
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get I hyper fix it. Yeah, it's gonna get your attention. It
does, so, I mean,it's it's terrible but I mean it ends
in a very interesting way. There'slike a black Ops group that's actually undercover,
so there's like a twist within atwist within a twist exactly. It's
like a nobody done it kind ofthing. Yeah, nobody did it.
It's like we actually this one accordingto plan along, Yeah, you know,
and G's and the DEA agent that'sthere is in the wrong. It's
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wait no, John Travolta is theguy, yeah, and he he ends
up. It's it was almost likea recruiting mission, if I understand correctly,
because at the end you find outthat everybody involved is this kind of
elite unit and they were actually sentto uncover some other crime that he unknowingly
helped them to do, but hethought they were all dead. It's all
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along, but then he comes todo a room and they're all like playing
poker or whatever. They're like,join our crew, We're gonna go find
out other bad military people or whatever. Yeah. No. Interesting, it's
like a Black Ops that like theyheard stories of but they're like, yeah,
they're not real. And at theend they're like they're all real,
and everybody involved in the quote unquotemystery as part of it, and they're
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like, you want to join usnow that you figured it out, and
it's like okay, it's like yeah, yeah, okay, I get I
got it. I got it.But uh yeah no, Basic was fun.
Courage Underfires is still on my list. But then, you know,
we can't talk about actual military moviesbefore we get into the real stuff because
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I'm more concerned about the real stuff. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah,
A few good Men, you know, this one's excellent. Yeah,
a Few good Men with Tom Cruise, Yes, yes, Cruiz, yep,
yep, Jack Nicholson or yeah,well Kevin Bacon too, right,
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Yeah, I think Kevin Bacon wasthe other He's not like them, he's
the other lawyer that's with him.He's not like the main character. But
yeah, Jack Nicholson, right,yeah, this is this is where you
can't handle the truth said. That'sone of the most iconic military or movie
speeches of all time. Yep.Yeah, and luckily it's in a military
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movie. But yeah, they're they'rethey're in a naval base at Guantanamo Bay
Naval Base in Cuba, and they'reinvestigating the disappearances of a of a guard
right and come to find out nobodyliked this guy and everybody was on it,
right and they're like, well wecan get rid of him, because
well, yeah, he was.He was a weak guy, we soldier.
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He been having trouble and the wholeidea was that somebody or was a
code read or something like that,and he ends up dying. It was
meant to punish him, but heended up dying, and these two Marines
are accused and they want to findout what the whole story is, and
it turns out in the end JackNicholson was the one who ordered it because
he was afraid that this weak soldier, this week marine, would endanger everybody
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else's because you got to have hardmen on those walls and you sleep soundly
at night because men like me standon the walls to protect you, you
know, And exactly, Yeah,it's awesome. It's it's a great speech,
but it's basically his confession, youknow. Yeah, and yeah,
Aaron Sorkin, I think it wasbad. I think he wrote there it's
a play and it's a movie,so it was a play first, I
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think by Aaron Sorkin as well,and then he wrote the screenplay for Rob
Reiner when they did the movie backin back in nineteen ninety two. You
know, yeah, No, it'sit's a classic. We've talked about it
before on the podcast, So Idon't want to like hammer it too much.
Sure, but it's a great exampleof like a military kind of like
how that court system goes. It'sweird because not a lot of people realize
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that the military has its own justicesystem, right the unified code, Uniform
Code of Military Justice Military. Doyou see MJ and the scariest four letters
in the alphabet, that's where weget article fifteens from, you know,
yeah, And that's like low level. I'm gonna give you a company grade.
We're gonna bump that up the companygrade. Buddy, You're not gonna
fucking see any money for a longtime. Did you ever get an article
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fifteen? I don't think I did. I don't remember getting it. I
was clean fifteens. Yeah, Iwas pretty clean, man, I was.
I was too afraid to mess up. Man. I never did anything
like out of the ordinary. Theonly thing I did and I never got
caught for, was sneak it outof the barracks one night in basic training
in order to call leave a messagefor the Green Beret recruiter so he could
get my contract changed and then hecame around later on, but nobody ever
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found out it did that. SoI can get in trouble, okay,
cool, Yeah, man, yeah, we've all done. You know,
it didn't happen unless you get caught. You know. Yeah, it's not
illegal unless it's you know, youget caught. So and that's not telling
you people to go out doing legalstuff. I mean, do it.
I don't say, I don't care. I know in my my heart that
I'm not telling you to do anything, so you can't come at me.
But yeah, you do whatever youwant. You're responsible for your own actions
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exactly. But yeah, no,do you see himj So, like,
say you get in trouble in themilitary, or I'm sorry, say you
get in trouble as a civilian,but you're still in the military. You
know, have to go through twocourts, so you have your punishment from
the military, but then you alsohave a punishment from the civilian side.
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So say like say a soldier getsa DUI you know, on and he's
still in so not only does hehave to go through the civilian court,
but he's also you know, gettingpunished whatever the military does, so he
has to do two sets of punishmentdepending on the scenario. Sometimes the court
will be like, oh, thisguy's military, will let the military handle
his punishment. But sometimes you getdouble whammide depending on the system or the
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crime you do. So, yeah, you see him. Jay is not
cool. I never got an Articlefifteen or anything like that was squeaky clean,
model soldier, model soldier, modelsoldier. I had buddies get Article
fifteen though, but some they werekind of questionable. I was like,
oh, just like not being inthe right place in that right time,
right uniform kind of thing. Butlet's get to the needy, greedy man.
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Let's talk about some mgaale life militarymysteries. And the first one on
the list here is something along thelines of a disappearance of a Paul Whipkey.
You want to read this, Youwant me to read it? Yeah,
I'd love to read it. Iwant to get into I want to
get into like voice over later on. So I'm gonna practice minority practice.
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Go ahead, all right, herewe go. In the early nineteen fifties,
Lieutenant Paul Whipkey found himself stationed atFort ord California with the United States
Air Force. He was one ofthe first individuals to witness the atomic bomb
tests, but found his health extremelyimpacted by the aftermath of the atomic tests
he worked on. On July ten, nineteen fifty eight, Whipkey decided to
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leave Fort Ord and drived to Monterey, California, just one mile from his
base. When he fails to returnback to base, he's declared a wall
before being declared a deserter thirty daysafter his appearance. Five weeks after Whipkey's
disappearance, his abandoned car is foundnearly five hundred miles away in a remote
section of Death Valley, with hiscar keys still in the ignition. Y
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Arma believed that he was stressed fromhis assignment and suffered from some sort of
breakdown, so he left the carand walked into the desert, where he
likely died. In nineteen seventy seven, the Army destroyed all files pertaining to
Whipkey's case, making the main discrepanciesin his disappearance impossible to look into.
However, many of his family andfriends believe that he was part of a
CIA part of the CIA, anddied during a mission, and if you
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go to the Unsolved Unsolved Mysteries websitewhere we kind of got this from.
It really does seem to make sensethat he might have been working as some
sort of covert operative because he wasa model soldier and he you know,
like a great guy. His familyall confessed that he, you know,
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he would everything, he would neverdesert, like it was still out a
character for him to do that.And then there were kind of discreptan dicies
about between like when he left andthen where his car was, and people
like see people witnesses saying that theysaw somebody driving his car in that area,
but that it was he was likewearing a uniform, and when he
left base originally he was in civilianclothing, So little discrepancies like that.
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And then afterwards the army coming in. It says on the very morning Paul
turned up missing, two soldiers strippedhis room at Fort Ord. Everything was
removed, including Paul's personal belongings.According to his brother Karl, this was
an odd and perhaps illegal procedure.So there's all these little things that just
don't line up. This doesn't addup. Yeah, now I can see
why it's under the Unsolved Mysteries pagehere. Yeah, I mean I totally
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believe it, because that's nineteen fifties. That's when you can get away with
a lot. Seeah, it wasin full swing, man, they were
doing they were toppling dictators and takingpeople out and yeah, that was like
a pigs like. Yeah, itwasn't too far after the s. CIA
was kind of untouchable back then becausethey could be Yeah, you know,
there wasn't everybody didn't have a phone, a camera. You know, you
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could you could pretty much run arampant as you wanted to. So I
wouldn't you know, I wouldn't putit past anything whether this was like a
cover up, I would say ninetypercent and army lieutenant and it's a lieutenant
to you, huh, Well,I mean who knows. But let's if
he was a CIA guy, whoknows what kind of training or what kind
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of experience he had doing whatever else. He might have just been a lieutenant
ostensibly in in the military, inthe Air Force. But what kind what
kind of operative was he? Andand you know what, it makes me
think this is conjecture on my part, of course most of it is.
But like he was a part ofthe tests and then he had radiation poison
or whatever, and so his fakehealth is failing. If I'm a patriotic
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dude and I want to serve mycountry and I want to go out with
a bang, and I get anopportunity from the CIA to go, They're
like, hey, man, listen, you're dying in a couple of years.
You want to do some work forthe CIA. Like yeah, I'm
gonna do it because I want to. I want to have I want to
know within myself that I did everythingI could to serve my country, even
even if I'm dying. And somaybe something happened, maybe he did do
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it and then died, or maybehe failed his mission then and died,
and they're like armies, like,well, we got to cover this up.
So let's take his car. Let'sdrive it out to the desert and
just say that he probably just crackedand was sad, even though that he
wasn't that kind of guy, youknow. Yeah, And it's not like
okay, let's uh cause like now, like in the fifties, I'm sure
there was no like finger printing,Like there is no forensics that we have
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today that like you can figure outlike oh, there's multiple you know,
handprints or this guy's prints aren't evenin this fucking car. You know,
there's it. Back then, youcould get away with literally anything. Yeah.
Yeah, murder, Oh, murdereasy easy, drop somebody in the
desert, yeah, never finding out. You know, you have many serial
killers ran around Rampant that had likedozens of kills, that just lived their
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life and probably are dead now,right. We could talk about a few
of them because like when we getinto these military veterans that became serial killers,
like Jeffrey Dahmer had his first killbefore he was ever even in the
military, and nobody, like nobodyfound that out or didn't find it out
for a long time. Really,I know I watched that Dahmer documentary.
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Did he kill someone before he wentin the service? Yeah? Was it
Dahmer or son of Sam? Ithink it was Dahmer that I know.
Dahmer went into the service and hewas like airborne, right or something.
Dahmer got kicked out for alcoholism,Like he was not a very soldier.
No, he wasn't a good soldier, right, But I think, yeah,
maybe you guys can check us inthe comments, because I don't think
his first kill was until after themilitary when he started working out and he
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would lure his first gay man backand then he got rejected that oh no,
the hippie now murder even nixt Yeah, Dahmer committed his first murder in
nineteen seventy eight, three weeks afterhis graduation. Picked up a Hitchhiger Steven
and then yeah, I lured himback into the pretext of drinking and then
he's like, ooh, I likethis guy. And then wait, wait,
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so this was before the military.This was before yeah, college and
army service. Yeah. In January. Yeah, in January nineteen seventy nine,
he listed in the United States Army, went basic training at Fort McClellan,
Aniston, Alabama. Yeah, sohe killed somebody, then he went
into the army, and then hejust kept on killing people. Nice.
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Nice, nice, I mean notreally nice, but like good to know
that. I didn't know that itwas afterwards. I remember I was watching
that Dahmer documentary when it was superpopular week show like a narrated a narration
narrative, Yeah, narrative to theshow. But let's uh, yeah that
Paul Whipky mysteries kind of but here, n can I sidebar this for just
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a quick second. Sidebar away,side quest away. There is a book
that my wife, she had allalready read it, and then we both
listen to the audio book. It'scalled Chaos, and it is about It
starts off with the uh, CharlesManson murders. Then it starts circling outward
progressively about like we're talking like secretlike experiments like the CIA FBI, like
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a like a mk ultra style experimentsto turn people into operatives. Maybe maybe
Charles Manson underwent this training and thenhe began, Yeah, so if you
want, if you are somebody thatloves a good mystery and just keeps wants
to keep pulling on the thread tosee where it leads, that's this book.
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It's called Chaos. I forget theauthor's name, but it's a it's
a tolle Man. It's like it'slike a thousand pages long. It's crazy,
man, it goes. This guystarted it. The author he was
gonna do like a puff piece foran anniversary of the Manson murders for a
magazine. And it just kept goingfor like twenty years. He took it
to write this book. Man,it was crazy man. Anyway, crazy.
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Anyway, CIA got some weirdos inthere. So anyways, see Iia,
you know, a bunch of weirdos. This real life murder as we
transition was a little bit more recently, and I know it was. It
was in the news like hardcore.Yeah, so this one, I mean,
obviously it didn't become a mystery.It just was a really terrible story,
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but it got a lot of press. You know. I remember arguing
with college kids on this one aboutlike how it could happen, and I'm
like, have you ever been inthe military, And yeah, I mean
everybody has an opinion about things they'veever experienced in their life. But anyways,
the murder of Vanessa Guelan Guihan Guelinanyways was I don't yeah, I'm
sorry that yeah. Gi len buta twenty year old United States Army so
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which took place inside in armory atFort Hood, Texas, on April twenty
second, twenty twenty, when shewas bludgeoned to death by another soldier,
Aaron David Robinson. Guiland had beenmissing for over two months when some of
her dismembered remains were found buried alongthe Leon River on June thirtieth. Upon
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hearing about the discover discovery, Robinsonfled Fort Hood and fatally shot himself when
law enforcement attempted to apprehend him nearbyin Colleen, Texas. Now, I
mean, obviously it's a tragic event, right, you shouldn't we shouldn't be
bludgeting our fellow soldiers to death.Regardless of differences on the on the top
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top ten list of things that youshould not do to your fellow soldiers,
this is probably number one or two. Yeah, mostly I would say number
I would argue number one, don'tbludgeon your fellow soldiers to death. But
have you you've been to Fort Hood? Right? Not ever been to Fort
Hoood. I've driven through Texas.I've never spent any great amount of time
in Texas. I've been at Forhood. I you know, I had a
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friend, uh and that I thatI visited. He was stationed at Fort
Hood and that place sucks. It'snot what they had, that shooting,
that Muslim shooting. Yeah, they'vehad everything bad has happened at Fort Hood.
That place is first of all,Colleen, Texas is like you know,
to put in perspective for you,probably not the listener, but like
you know, uh Lakewood right forJBLM. You know, basically the second
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you exit the gate, you arein Lakewood. Yes, that is Colleen
to Fort Hood. And as youknow, Lakewood a ka lake Hood is
it? It'sn't the nicest place inthe world. Right, I don't know
what that. I mean, that'sa side quest on its own. Why
are all military Like, oh,why are all towns that are like right
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outside the gate of military bases?Absolute ship? Yeah, sewing shops and
bars right outside that's it. Ohyeah, that's it, And like like
Hobo Central. I don't get it, but uh yeah, that's what Colleen
is. It is not a niceplace. Which is and it says nearby
it's literally like a mile down thestreet. Yeah, that's an absolutely terrible
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one. I know it was inthe news. There's a you know,
there's a Netflix documentary that came outabout it. It was just I think
it. I haven't seen the documentary, but I know when like the news
articles were were coming out, it'slike, how do we how did this
happen? Yeah, you know,do we even know? Why have we?
Have you read the artic or anything. I'm just trying to look for
it. Looks like okay, somotive. Aguilar later explained why Robinson killed
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Gweland, saying Gwelean saw Robinson's cellphone lock screen, which contained a picture
of Aguilar. Robinson told her hewas worried about getting in trouble for violating
the army's fraternization rules since Aguala wasstill married to another soldier, and he
hit Gweland in the head with ahammer. Oh my god, sorry for
laughing. That's not that's like anuncomfortable lap. I mean, that's life
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shocked, las. Yeah, what, that's why you ruined her, because
you killed her and ruined your ownlife because you were messing around. Damn
man, people are absolutely crazy.Yeah, no, that's a that's an
absolutely tragic event. A lot ofyou know, it caused a lot of
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pain for the family. Obviously,it took a long time for them to
even find her remains. I rememberlike watching the news was like she's still
missing, and like the fact thatlike, you know, let's see soldier
took place in an armoryund April twentysecond and like wasn't even you know,
she'd been missing for two months.Yeah, and like nothing, you know,
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not real urgent kind of gears moveslowly kind of thing. Yeah,
I mean that's the military in general. But like when one of your soldiers
goes missing, it's not kind oflike, oh, like you probably like
drop everything we're doing and try tofind this person. Yeah, and uh
yeah. Kind of another side quest, do you even know what a wall
means? Absent without leave? Okay, I never knew. I was that
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It sounds a lot less worse thanit is once you say it. Yeah,
yeah, it's uh that's like oldschool military terminology. Yeah. Oh,
it's like absent without official leave,absolute outly okay, yeah, absolute
without leave five consecutive days voluntary involuntaryconsider automatic resignation from the state of service.
Oh okay, wow, okay,wait five days. If you're a
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well for five days, it's automaticresignation. Yeah. Yeah, Absence without
leave for five consecutive days with avoluntary involuntary is considered an automatic resignation from
state service as of the last dayof the employed worked out. I'm just
looking at some human resources. Sothis is California. Oh okay, that's
not a fit. That's California.Something else. That's just work, you
know, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, that's like,
you don't show up your job,you resigned. You're not fired, though,
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that's interesting, right, failed toshow up for your reported place of
duty on time, failed to showup at your reported place of duty at
all, or leave reported place ofduty unit or organization. Well, I
want to talk about serial killers.Let's talk about serial killers. I just
want to. There's actually a shockingamount of them. Yeah, it's really
weird. I mean it's and it'sit's there's this interesting phenomenon. I think
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a lot all these serial killers betweenlike like born in the fifties and like
like the seventies had like all theseserial killers. You know, yeah,
we got to look at we gotSon of Sam, Gary Ridgway, the
Green River Killer, Jeffrey Dahmer,Dennis ra Dennis Raider b t K I
guess he was called, and thenRandy Kraft the Freeway Killer, all military
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veterans, which I kind of youknow, you don't want you you love
the military, you love the army, and you don't want it to be
besmirched by by serial killers. Butagain, you know, people are people,
and like you say, you couldwalk and be next be walking somebody
next to somebody in uniform and maybethey're still a killing. You don't know,
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you know, you don't know.Okay, so let's see. Let's
go down the list and see kindof. So we have Gary Ridgeway,
the Green River Killer. He joinedthe United States Navy and was in Vietnam
where he was on board a supplyship and saw combat. Okay, oh
right, So then we have DavidBurkelewitz. Let's see David burkle Witz Military.
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What did you do? Son ofSam? Dude? Is this guy?
Is this the guy that they theyfeatured in mind mind Hunters? Because
I think he looks really familiar.He looks like he because he's got kind
of a babyface. And so afterthey they got to get to play him
in in the in the the seriesmind Hunters on Netflix. It was a
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good job because he was he iscreepy, man, you know, he
is creepy. He is creepy looking. He looks like almost somebody you would
draw from memory. Yeah, youknow. Uh yeah. So he joined
the army. He was it doesn'treally say about uh yeah, sturge at
Fort Knox, Kentucky, and thenwith the Infantry Division in South Korea.
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Was honored been discharging nineteen seventy four. Okay, all right, we know
Jeffrey Dahmer, Yeah, okay,so we have Dennis Classic, serial classic.
One of the dude who was theguy? Was it him that there
was kind of a media storm surroundinghim and even young ladies were saying like,
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oh, he's kind of sexy,you know, was that him so
weird? No? That was theLos Angeles That was the LA guy.
Uh again, Robert Rodrito. Hisname was Robert Rodriguez, the director of
the direct Yeah, no, whatwas his name? His name was?
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I mean, I'm glad I don'tremember it. Oh yeah, maybe it's
best the l A the LA Andyou know what, you look at these
dudes, Dennis Raider, Jeffrey Dahmer, Night Stomcraft Nights Though the Night,
The Night's not nice. Richard Ramirezmirez, Richard rich Yeah, all these dudes,
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all these dudes crazy sexual stuff.Man. I think something sexual about
what they did when they were caughtand they finally confessed. What's crazy is
that? I think what Dennis Raider, he was in the Air Force for
about four he was in the AirForce discharge yep. And he and he
but he like he killed for decades. Man, he he would he'd kill
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and then he'd stop, and thenhe would kill again. And then he
was one of those weirdos that wouldride into the television states like, Hey,
I'm I'm the guy. You know, you'll never catch me or whatever
you should call me BTK for blindtorture kill with buying torture kill, and
they obliged him, of course,but yeah, he stopped and then it
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was only DNA evidence in the earlytwo thousands that ended up leading to his
capture. So like he could have, you know, like totally got away
with him. Yeah for decades.Man, that'd be weird today. Yeah,
that'd be weird if like you're you'rea kid, you have you know,
you're living your life and then youfind it your dad was a serial
killer. Yeah, oh intense.That's a lot of trauma. And then
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finally you have a Randy Craft,the Freeway Killer, and he was in
the Air Force and he uh superpainted, yeah Edward's Air Force face.
So yeah, I mean the military, you know, I know a couple
of serials. I know a coupleof people in the military that I would
consider serial killers just not killing innocentpeople. But uh yeah, it's that
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fine line. Fine, Yeah,I guess, I guess now would be
an I've spoken of him before,but not a serial killer, but just
speaking of people that you don't know. Uh, but Steve Green's training and
if you've ever seen the movie Redacted, that is based off a horrible incident
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of a bunch of soldiers in theearly days of the Iraq War going out
and killing a young girl, rapingand killing a young girl and then killing
her whole family and like lighting himon fire. Yeah, you've talked about
this guy, real sick and twisted, twisted dude, and he's burning in
hell now, So it's yeah,yeah, didn't you say he got the
Uh he got the what's it called? He got the death penalty. Uh,
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let's see, I forget. I'dhave to look up his case.
I know that he tried to Basicallyhe ended up dying because he tried to
commit suicide while in custody, andthen he ended up dying of those not
not recout, dying of those injurieswhatever. But uh, he got he
got caught, his trial was goingon, and then he was either convicted
and then killed himself or he wason his way to being convicted and then
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killed himself. But uh yeah,crazy man, crazy dude, you'd like
to think, Cameron, that inmilitary service, it can happen, you
know, like we're all a collectionof parts, and we can be urged
kind of pushed one way or theother based on any number of different,
uh different factors. But you'd liketo believe that the military would hopefully create,
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with its values and its structure,good productive members of society, right,
yeah, and and and and itcan be. But maybe if the
raw material that you're working with isalready too damaged and too dark and too
to uh demon possessed or whatever,maybe it's yeah, just no hope,
you know. Yeah, man,I mean, like in the beginning we
said there's all different types of character, and you would love to believe that,
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like the military creates a product that'sperfect. But you know, if
you put shit in the ice creammachine, it's not going to come out
chocolate playread image. Man, that'sa great disgusting image. Yeah, it's
like you put shit in an icemachine. It's not gonna come out chocolate
flavored. You know, it's justgonna come out looking a little different,
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still tasting like shit. Yeah,because you know, I've met some dirt
bags in the military, like absolutepieces of shit. Yeah, but uh,
you know, but it's it's weirdand they probably you know, I
went to let's see, I wouldn'tcall him a piece of shit. That's
just really bad that that happened.I went to to rasp with the guy
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that ended up killing like three orfour people on accident. Oh yeah,
he I think he was driving drunkin Georgia and ended up by the wheel
like he hit either another car orhe hit someone on this like a bicyclist
on the side of the road orsomething. Like multiple people were killed and
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like he ended up going to jailfor a long I think he's still in
jail. But like that was tragic. I know there was zac. Actually
that wasn't really I don't really Ihave some crazy stories. When I was
I went through basic training. Thisis on the other side, the victim
side. I went through basic trainingwith the guy that he grew up in
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Berkeley, California, and I think, you know, we we were in
the same platoon and stuff, gotto know him a little bit. And
then after basic training, I thinkhe was stationed at Fort bliss Or.
He was either stationed at Fort Blissand he was in the National Guard.
But I think he was at FortBliss because that's in like El Paso,
Texas. And like one day Ijust saw a news article about Fort Bliss
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soldier found dead, you know,found remains found in the desert, and
it showed a picture of the guyI went through basic training with. So
this guy somehow was I think hewas found in the desert. He was
missing, and then they found hisbody in the desert. So something happened
to him. Oh dang, Andthey still don't know. They still don't
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know. No, they so thata mystery, Like nobody knows what happened
to him. Dang man, evenwith today's technology and investigator we have,
Like I think he was kidnapped andthen assaulted. I'm pretty sure they found
him naked. Man. Yeah,it is super rough. Yeah, it
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is crazy. Yeah. And thenyou want to talk about like serial killers.
I uh, I mean this guycould have potentially been one. This
is a different guy. Yeah,this is a different guy. Yeah.
So actually it's someone that I metpersonally and knew for a little bit.
I'll save the names though, youknow, I've scrubbed the names just you
know, for privacy sake. Butwhen I showed up the regiment, there
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was a there's a guy a tabD five that was in my company and
they put him in the arms room. He was like the n c O.
I see, the non commissioned officerin charge of the arms room.
And uh, something was a littleoff about this guy, hmmmm, because
I mean no, he was supercool. I mean he was like,
you know, sociable. I didn'tI didn't understand what would happen. He
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was just a nerd, Like hewould play video games. He was like
you she always played video games.Like he came from three seven five,
I think was the story. Andthen he was here at two seven five
and like I don't know, Iknew something was wrong with him, like
mentally because he poor soul. Hehad a private that worked underneath him in
(40:30):
the arms room. And this guywas super nice. His name was last
name Cassidy. Uh, super niceguy, like you know, I think
pretty sure he grew up in likeUtah, but just a really nice guy.
He never got his ranger tab.But like sometimes there's guys that are
so good at a job, likehe was the guy you wanted in an
arms room, like it was awesome, but his boss was not good news.
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So like I'd be sitting in mycage as a private and thing should
be quiet, and you just hearblood curdling screaming, like straight up screaming
that like would blow blood vessels outof your neck, just at poor Cassidy,
Like just he's just screaming at him, like you well, respect me,
youah well, like not cool screaminglike you know, and you know,
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that happened quite often, and Iremember I was you know, that
was kind of like, yo,this guy's got something missing. And since
he was in the arms room,he had access to all of the civilian
owned or all of the personally ownedfirearms because technically, you know, you're
supposed to if you have a firearmand you live in the barracks, you're
supposed to keep it in the armsroom. You're not allowed to keep firearms
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in the barracks, supposed to.But so he had he had access to
these because he has all the keys, you know, he is the master
of the arms room. So oneday I was at I was in bus
driver school, which honestly is thebest school in the military. My you
know, it was so chill twoweeks vacation baby. Anyways, I'm at
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I'm at bus driver school and I'ma I just finished for the day at
least I think I had like twomore days before I took my test.
And uh. I get a callfrom my team leader and he's like,
hey, don't come here Because Iwas heading into work. I was like,
what are you talking about. He'slike, we're on lockdown. There's
an active shooter. And I'm likewhat. He's like, yeah, whatever
(42:28):
you do, just don't come tothe compound right now. I'll call you
when you're when you're allowed to comeback. Wow, Like okay, sounds
good. Come to find out,this guy, the tab D five stole
a personally owned shotgun, like alike someone one of my other team leader
had a Remmington eight seventy in thearms room. He took it, got
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into his car, and then hedrove right outside of post you know where
like the Popeyes is all the socialYeah what was that called? That wasn't
Victory Boulevard, that's Fort Benning.But what was that street car? I
don't remember. Yeah, but youknow, was there a Popeyes there?
Oh? Man, I can't remember. I'm thinking there was like a subway
and then a Mexican run yea.Yeah. So anyways on one here,
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there's a Popeyes there right next tothe sow shop, and like there is
a Popeyes there. He pulled intothe Popeyes, rolled down his windows,
his window, and shot a randomguy in the face and then was on
the run for three days. Ohmy gosh, did I ever tell you
the story? Oh my god,you have never told me this story.
I would remember something like this.Yeah. So he like took the shot
(43:37):
and he shot this guy in theface and then went on the run for
like two or three days. Likethe police were after him. He like
basically was found. He tried tocar jack someone and he was like give
me your car and they were likeno. They like turned into this giant
thing and then they found him.Uh, because he would be hiding in
(43:58):
the woods. He covered himself elfpredator style in mud, I'm pretty sure,
and like he tried hiding underneath somebody'sporch and like the guy came out
and held him at gunpoint and untilthe cops came. And yeah, yeah,
so that guy got like I thinkhe pleaded insanity and I think he's
getting out soon. What all right? Right on he hears this episode.
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Yeah, fun fact the guy heshot in the face didn't die. Oh
my gosh. Yeah, yeah,so that was that was a possible serial
killer in the making camera. That'sthat's amazing, man. I'm surprised you
have held on to that story forso long. Known each other. No,
man, oh man, were Cassidyman? Hopefully he you know,
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oh he's yeah, after he wasgone, like he took over that place
and it was good. I hopeif you're listening to this, buddy,
I hope you're doing well. Yeah. Yeah. I also have another one
that's way shorter, but uh,if you want to hear it, I
gotta hear it. Man, we'reright out of time, but I gotta
hear it. Like this one is. It's a lot shorter. It's like
because I didn't know the guys.But anyways, when I was like a
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gun team leader, we had thisguy, a brand new private come out
of RASP went to Alpha Company.I'm pretty sure he was like an Indian
or a Pakistani guy. And likeone weekend, you know, we come
back into work and the cops andeverybody are at the compound, which is
not really that shocking of dude,because the police are always at the compound
(45:25):
for some reason, especially after aweekend. Oh turns out turns out this
brand new private like uh went toSeattle and hired a hooker and threw her
off a bridge. Oh my goodness. Yeah, he threw her off of
a bridge and like got caught orsomething, and like so he killed this
(45:49):
hooker and then come to find outhe might have been a spy really yeah,
because his parents were Indian or Pakistaniand they would and they like like
the I got involved and started likebasically going through his data and stuff,
and it turned out that he waslike funneling information to his parents and his
parents were always asking about his securityclearance and all this stuff. Yea watch
(46:14):
half and pack. I don't knowwhy Australia all of a sudden, but
yeah, so that was you know, I'm sure there's more than I can.
I feel your your stories make mefeel good about my time and service
because apparent yeah, older and stuffand stuff, and so there were some
petty stuff that went on, butgenerally were all at pretty level heads for
(46:35):
the moment. Oh yeah, notthere, dude. That was psycho town,
Like, yeah, that's why Ialways started, like grow up in
range a regiment and like it'll giveyou an amazing perspective. That's like people
are so I think they're so goodafter they get out of regiment because they're
thankful for the opportunity, like theygot the skills, but then they work
so hard because they're just grateful tobe so they're like, I'm free.
(47:02):
I could really live my life now, free from trauma and psychoses. Yeah.
Man, well, Cameron, thoseare amazing stories. I'm glad that
you held onto them for this episodeof particular. No idea I didn't tell
you that story. Yeah, I'mglad you did, man, I'm I'm
It's funny because you and I havea limited amount of time in the military
that from which we can pull stories, and you and I we've told stories
(47:25):
the same story as most boys.But then every once in a while,
a little jem, a different storywill come out of the wood, you
know, just like you know sometimeslike the military service is kind of it's
a black hole, and like sometimesout of nowhere, it'll just spit something
new out and you're like, oh, ly I remember that. Yeah,
They're like, oh yeah, Idid that, And I just totally forgot
about it. Yeah, but man, all right, that's awesome, Kevin,
(47:49):
thank you so much for sharing thosefolks. We are going to get
onto a fan question and then wegot a game. Think Cameron, you
got the game this time yet.Gavin has sent us an email asking have
you ever have either of you everconsider joining the police or the FBI or
anything like that. Yeah, Cam, Yep, yes I did. I
(48:09):
actually was in the uh right whenI was going out. I came home
to take the expedited l APD entryapplication and I went through the entire thing.
I was all the way through it, just waiting on a call pretty
much from background to be like you'regood, Uh, here's your here's your
date. But and I'm pretty surethis was like the best thing that ever
(48:32):
happened to me. But like oneday, it was taken a little bit
along. It was taken like alot longer than they said it was going
to. Uh So I called them, I'm like, hey, my name's
Cameron. I'm looking to see thestatus of like my application. I went
through the expedited process. Here's myyou know, my file number, like
my application number, and they,like I gave it to them and the
(48:52):
lady on the phone was like,I'm sorry, we don't have any record
of your application at all all,Like it's like you never even applied.
And I'm like, well, Ididn't just spend five days in a suit
and tie like going through your entirefreaking application and polygraph and background and psyched
for nothing. And it turns outthey just completely lost it. And uh.
(49:15):
When I got to the National Guard, a lot of my peers and
subordinates were officers in the LAPD,very very common in the National Guard,
and like I asked him, Iwas like, hey, man, have
you ever heard of like something theLAPD like losing application packets? Like am
I just being stiff armed here?And he's like, oh no, they
(49:35):
lose him all the time. Ohoh gosh. And I'm like, wow,
what a waste of fucking time.But then they called They called me
like a year later and they're like, hey, we found your application.
Are you still interested? And I'mlike, fuck, no again. I
think the world has benefited greatly fromthat mistake. Yeah, I myself,
(49:57):
No, I never considered joining thepolice, FBI anything like that. There
was a brief moment in time asI was out processing that I thought,
well, maybe I could do someprivate contracting, but I just didn't have
the gumption. I was like,I'm gonna go to LA and become a
famous actor. I'm gonna do abrain dump on all of my military information.
And I wish I hadn't, becausehere I am wishing I could remember
(50:19):
half of the stories that you have. Well, I mean, twenty years
is a bit of a difference,but that's okay, Yeah, that's okay.
Well, we hope we answered thatquestion for you, Gavin. And
now it is time to transition tothe game. And I have a game
for you, Israel. And thisgame is called Crimes and Misdemeanors. This
is a little trivia game that highlightsthe difference between civilian law and military law.
(50:45):
Oh god, you should do exceptionallywell, according to Chris. Okay,
I don't know if you're joking,Chris, because I was having a
hard time knowing what you remembering whatUCMJ meant. But hey, I'm excited.
Just makes good games. He doesmake good games. And this isn't
that long of a game. It'sonly four questions and they're multiple choice,
(51:06):
so you have so you're good.Okay, Okay, and no warm up.
Are you ready ready? Okay?Question number one. Civilians get their
miranda rights read to them. Inthe military, it's called I didn't even
know this shit. I mean,then again, I haven't been arrested in
the military before. He had aspeeding ticket on post one time. But
(51:28):
that's it. Oh, I'm sorry, I got to read you this.
Yeah, I don't know what itis, man, I'm sorry. It
is article A, article fifty B, article seventy eight, or c Article
thirty one. In the military,your miranda rights are called fifty seventy eight
or thirty one. Thirty one forsome reason has has the truest ring to
(51:51):
it, like I've heard it beforeor heard the most often. So I'm
just going to say thirty one.Nice man. Way to go with your
gut is article thirty one rat learningto you can roll by? Okay,
here we go. Number two.Court martials are trials for military personnel,
(52:13):
but they are three different types.The most severe trial, reserved for serious
felony level crimes, is called ablank courts martial. Is it a summary,
be general or ce special? Sosummary court martial, general court martial
or special court martial. I meanmy instinct is special because it's it's severe,
(52:37):
like general is like, oh youknow, we're just kind of getting
ready or whatever. Summary summary hassome weight to it, but I'm I'm
having a hard time thinking of howit might relate to a crime specifically.
But special, it's it's special.You really you did a special thing,
you get a special court martial.Well you're wrong, it is not special.
(52:59):
It's actually general, which is superinteresting. Yeah. Yeah, so
general courts martial is the most severetype. So if you find yourself facing
a general one called Tom Cruise,Uh, there's numbers on the board.
Maybe it's a general on the tribunal. Yeah, possibly, all right.
Number three Military juries have to bea unanimous vote to convict. True or
(53:22):
false? Oh man, because I'mgonna say false, because don't civilian court
Civilian juries have to be unanimous rightfor certain for criminal right, Uh,
let's do let's say no, I'mgonna say false, just like fifty fifty.
(53:45):
Well that one that plus one's helpingyou out. Yes, it is
false and little explanation here. Themilitary is one jurisdiction that still allows a
split for a split verdict in criminaltrials. In most cases, a three
fourths majority is required for conviction inparentheses, up from two thirds prior from
twenty nineteen. Cases involving capital offencecharges are the exception to this. When
(54:09):
a death sentence is possible, allpanel member all panel members must vote unanimously.
M I get that. It's apretty high standard to put somebody to
death. So yeah, so everybody'sgotta be on the same page. We
gotta kill the student. All right, well, you're doing good. You
only missed one, and let's seeif you can finish strong here question number
four. The set of laws thatthe military is governed by is calledform Uniform
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Code of Military Justice, the MilitaryCode of Conduct, or the Military Code
of Judgments. I'm so glad wetalked about it in the episode today,
So that'd be a uniform Code ofMilitary Justice. Yeah, that one was
kind of a giveaway. I washoping the last one was like a ballbuster.
But way to go. Yep,you are absolutely corrected, and that's
going to conclude this week's game.Woo, thanks, good game, good
(54:59):
game. I like in any militarymilitary lore, you know military information,
because man, like you say,it's been we're we're going on fourteen years
out for me, at this point. And I still love the world.
I still love like that, dippingmy toe in that world. But man,
I'm very very far out at thispoint. Kay, you're good man,
You're better than the rest of us. You're living your own life,
(55:21):
unlike me who literally it's entire identitystill and can't find his own way.
Well, you're making the money.You're making hey, while the while the
sun shines. Man, there yougo. Well, folks, we hope
you enjoyed this episode of CSI PCFM. We hope you learned something about some
crazy serial killers or just had agood time with us. Don't forget to
(55:43):
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the is Files got some great stuffcome out out for that in the future.
Yeah, and then also subscribe tomy YouTube since we're plugging. Oh
(56:06):
yeah, Cameron up on the rise. Amazing stuff coming out man. Yeah,
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That's Kit God Cam with that folksmusic
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Welcome everybody to another amazing and probablyvery disturbing episode of the pop Culture Fielding
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I'm actually really excited that that's thatsounds weird, Cameron. It does
sound really, but let me explainmyself because you obviously have no context as
to what we're talking about. Sotoday I had this idea, and I've
been watching a lot of a lotof criminal minds lately. I've been watching
some Monk, I've been watching somelike Law and Order. Oh I love,
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yeah, I grew up. Ijust started watching Marvelous Miss Maisel.
He plays the dad and that sooh interesting. Okay, well I have
no idea what that is, butsuper cool. But yeah, so pretty
much I've been watching like Law andOrder s for you. So all these
crimes, like all these real lifelike mystery crimes, and as we all
know, crimes and the mysteries aresuper popular on the podcast platform. I
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mean there's I are like sections forhim. Oh yeah, and you know
who does not have a short ofmysterious and sexual and murders and you know,
assault based crimes. Our beloved military. Salute to you, Military salute
to you. So we are goingto do an episode on some of the
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craziest you know, kind of reallife CSI and pop culture portrayals of like
you know, military crimes, yep, yep, military crimes. And and
you know, not to put downthe military too much. The military is
full of people, and people canbe weird, people can be crazy people,
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you know, so it's just it'sjust more in a concentrated environment,
because you're in a structured environment likethe military, that these things really pop
out. And most most military peopleare just normal every day guys and girls
and who go about their day andthey perform their job with honor. But
some of them are weird dark urges. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot
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of weirdos in the military, man, Yeah, there are. And it's
the I think what it's funny isthat the military structure, the left right
left structuring that happens in the military, got the uniforms, and it's supposed
to be kind of squared away.For some reason, I think maybe maybe
it either incurage, like it causesit to squeeze out more, and at
least when it or when it doeshappen, it's like more shocking because you're
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like, I thought these were supposedto be military people. I thought they
were supposed to be like squared away. Something about the military discipline has kind
of curtailed that supposed to be thebest of us. Yeah, but they're
but they're not. They're sometimes they'rea serial killer. Actually, as we'll
talk about a little bit later inthe episode. Yeah, and I'm sure
you you know you've told some storiesabout the people you've served with crazy stuff.
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I have some stories of people I'veserved with that you know are in
jail now for life. Uh.But yeah, dude, let's let's get
into it. Let's see crime.Should I even read this? Let's see
No, I already did this intro, but we can just skip it.
Yeah, now if you jump rightinto it. Yeah, let's jump right
into it. Because you know,there's a there's a really there's some movies
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that do a really good job ofthis, and like, like I said,
the mystery and the crime, Idon't know why people are so obsessed
with that. Let's first of all, you want to talk about that really?
Yeah, let me try that againwithout smacking my mic. First of
all, you want to talk about, uh, this really about what is
what is you think the draw Whatdo you think is the appeal about like
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murders and rapes and mysteries and allthese things that you know for some people
people are so curious about but likethey are the worst of us and they
are the worst things that can possiblyhappen. What do you think why do
you think people are so like drawnto stuff like this man, I want
to. I always try to putthings within the context of some sort of
kind of primal uni reversal and timeless. I say universal and timeless a lot
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when it comes to aspects of ourhumanity that unite us all that we can
all relate to, Like something thatwe all in a in our guts are
afraid of or know it's coming,or you want to stave it off,
but you want to try to likeexplore it and talk about it and understand
it, you know, in somesort of way, right, because we
all have this sense of it,whether it's self preservation or whether it's love
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for other people kindness. Basically,like we kind of get these basic niceties
or civilization kinds. So so whensomebody goes way off on a tangent and
it's like a serial killer or murderor a you know, or there,
or they're really good at covering itup, Yeah, there's something about that
that urge to explore that and tryto understand that. I think it's just
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kind of basic within our humanity,which is why I why I think at
least murder mysteries are so popular.We want to try to solve these things
because it's I don't know, there'sa fascination that we have with death because
it's so final and it's so important, like basic to our our humanity and
our end and just being living creatureshere that when we see it, it's
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so foreign to us because you know, it's it's like nobody comes back from
that. Well few people come backfrom that, think it Jesus. But
but yeah, So anyway, whatdo you think, man, why do
you think people why do you thinkwe're so fascinated with murder, murder,
mystery, serial killers, that kindof stuff. Why do you think they
capture our imaginations? That's a goodquestion, my brother. You know,
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I think it's I think it's sothis is like a taboo, right,
so people are obsessed with things thatthey can't necessarily do or you know,
or things that are necessarily acceptable ina public eye. Like okay, when
you see someone walking down the street, right, you know nothing about them,
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they could you know, how theyperceived, how you perceived them immediately
based off a judgment, right,that kind of level one thinking or that
what's that book that talks about likeyour initial judgment, you know, you
know, discrimination of disparities, that'ssomething that talks about it. That's a
Thomas Soul kind of book. Uh, thinking fast and Slow. Oh okay,
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cool, Yeah, thinking fast andslow. So I forgot what exactly
what he calls it. But there'stwo types of thinking, right, you
have your fast thinking and you're slowthinking. It's like a level one and
a level two. So level oneis like an immediate perception, but just
based off of observation, right,there's no critical thinking involved. It's just
like, hey, if you seesomeone on the street they look normal,
you assume they're normal. But athome, behind closed doors, you know
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they might be a serial killer orsomething. You have no you have literally
no idea. But uh, youknow, I think there's this attraction too,
you know, acts that are sofrowned upon. There's like this this
adrenaline you get, And that's whywe have things like taboo. That's why
you know, I think pedophiles exist. That's why serial killers exist. They
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go at like I've watched enough criminalminds to I've seen mind hunters. Yeah,
I've watched enough criminal minds to knowthe reason. You know, I've
been inside the head of a serialkiller. So like they do it because
it's that thrill that rush, andlike if you can get that thrill and
that rush kind of living vicuriously throughsomeone or a story or because you know,
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that's why we watch movies, right, they give us a feeling,
they give us They give us happiness, sadness, you know, relief,
joy that make us laugh. AndI think when we hear about murder mystery,
we feel that rush. We feelthat, you know, and either
whether it be the feeling of thedetective arresting them and putting them away and
feeling like you were right there alongsidehim and you did a great thing,
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or you're a little bit more dementedand you feel that rush from like that.
I don't want to feel this way, but I can understand, like,
you know, why they're doing that. It gives you a little taste
of like that feeling and the insideof the head. So maybe that's why
they're you know, people are obsessedwith like more macabre type of type of
things like murders and mysteries. Yeah, that's good stuff, man, that's
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good stuff, No problem, noproblem. Anyways, you know when it
comes to like military stuff, mybeloved military, the love of my life
of the army. Don't tell myfiance said that it'll be around problems.
Just kidding. She doesn't listen anyway, but not really should have listened to
this podcast? Who am I kiding? But like, for example, have
you ever seen the movie Basic withSamuel L. Jackson. Yes, so
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this one also like a mystery tryingto figure out what happened on a military
exercise. You know, it wasjust an exercise, nothing should have gone
wrong, and like you know,they have death and murder and mystery and
oh my, and this DA agentcomes in. But like it's just the
military part that like they get soinaccurate you know that that I'm just like
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cringed at to where it doesn't makeme want to watch it anymore. But
so that's why I'm kind of notreally appealed to like military murder mysteries.
But Basics is a fun one.I watched that one fairly recently within the
last year, and that one wasjust like kind of over the top.
And it also had to do witharmy rangers. So that you know,
when you when you use my title, you know, yeah, then I
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get I hyper fix it. Yeah, it's gonna get your attention. It
does, so, I mean,it's it's terrible but I mean it ends
in a very interesting way. There'slike a black Ops group that's actually undercover,
so there's like a twist within atwist within a twist exactly. It's
like a nobody done it kind ofthing. Yeah, nobody did it.
It's like we actually this one accordingto plan along, Yeah, you know,
and G's and the DEA agent that'sthere is in the wrong. It's
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wait no, John Travolta is theguy, yeah, and he he ends
up. It's it was almost likea recruiting mission, if I understand correctly,
because at the end you find outthat everybody involved is this kind of
elite unit and they were actually sentto uncover some other crime that he unknowingly
helped them to do, but hethought they were all dead. It's all
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along, but then he comes todo a room and they're all like playing
poker or whatever. They're like,join our crew, We're gonna go find
out other bad military people or whatever. Yeah. No. Interesting, it's
like a Black Ops that like theyheard stories of but they're like, yeah,
they're not real. And at theend they're like they're all real,
and everybody involved in the quote unquotemystery as part of it, and they're
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like, you want to join usnow that you figured it out, and
it's like okay, it's like yeah, yeah, okay, I get I
got it. I got it.But uh yeah no, Basic was fun.
Courage Underfires is still on my list. But then, you know,
we can't talk about actual military moviesbefore we get into the real stuff because
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I'm more concerned about the real stuff. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah,
A few good Men, you know, this one's excellent. Yeah,
a Few good Men with Tom Cruise, Yes, yes, Cruiz, yep,
yep, Jack Nicholson or yeah,well Kevin Bacon too, right,
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Yeah, I think Kevin Bacon wasthe other He's not like them, he's
the other lawyer that's with him.He's not like the main character. But
yeah, Jack Nicholson, right,yeah, this is this is where you
can't handle the truth said. That'sone of the most iconic military or movie
speeches of all time. Yep.Yeah, and luckily it's in a military
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movie. But yeah, they're they'rethey're in a naval base at Guantanamo Bay
Naval Base in Cuba, and they'reinvestigating the disappearances of a of a guard
right and come to find out nobodyliked this guy and everybody was on it,
right and they're like, well wecan get rid of him, because
well, yeah, he was.He was a weak guy, we soldier.
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He been having trouble and the wholeidea was that somebody or was a
code read or something like that,and he ends up dying. It was
meant to punish him, but heended up dying, and these two Marines
are accused and they want to findout what the whole story is, and
it turns out in the end JackNicholson was the one who ordered it because
he was afraid that this weak soldier, this week marine, would endanger everybody
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else's because you got to have hardmen on those walls and you sleep soundly
at night because men like me standon the walls to protect you, you
know, And exactly, Yeah,it's awesome. It's it's a great speech,
but it's basically his confession, youknow. Yeah, and yeah,
Aaron Sorkin, I think it wasbad. I think he wrote there it's
a play and it's a movie,so it was a play first, I
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think by Aaron Sorkin as well,and then he wrote the screenplay for Rob
Reiner when they did the movie backin back in nineteen ninety two. You
know, yeah, No, it'sit's a classic. We've talked about it
before on the podcast, So Idon't want to like hammer it too much.
Sure, but it's a great exampleof like a military kind of like
how that court system goes. It'sweird because not a lot of people realize
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that the military has its own justicesystem, right the unified code, Uniform
Code of Military Justice Military. Doyou see MJ and the scariest four letters
in the alphabet, that's where weget article fifteens from, you know,
yeah, And that's like low level. I'm gonna give you a company grade.
We're gonna bump that up the companygrade. Buddy, You're not gonna
fucking see any money for a longtime. Did you ever get an article
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fifteen? I don't think I did. I don't remember getting it. I
was clean fifteens. Yeah, Iwas pretty clean, man, I was.
I was too afraid to mess up. Man. I never did anything
like out of the ordinary. Theonly thing I did and I never got
caught for, was sneak it outof the barracks one night in basic training
in order to call leave a messagefor the Green Beret recruiter so he could
get my contract changed and then hecame around later on, but nobody ever
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found out it did that. SoI can get in trouble, okay,
cool, Yeah, man, yeah, we've all done. You know,
it didn't happen unless you get caught. You know. Yeah, it's not
illegal unless it's you know, youget caught. So and that's not telling
you people to go out doing legalstuff. I mean, do it.
I don't say, I don't care. I know in my my heart that
I'm not telling you to do anything, so you can't come at me.
But yeah, you do whatever youwant. You're responsible for your own actions
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exactly. But yeah, no,do you see himj So, like,
say you get in trouble in themilitary, or I'm sorry, say you
get in trouble as a civilian,but you're still in the military. You
know, have to go through twocourts, so you have your punishment from
the military, but then you alsohave a punishment from the civilian side.
(15:26):
So say like say a soldier getsa DUI you know, on and he's
still in so not only does hehave to go through the civilian court,
but he's also you know, gettingpunished whatever the military does, so he
has to do two sets of punishmentdepending on the scenario. Sometimes the court
will be like, oh, thisguy's military, will let the military handle
his punishment. But sometimes you getdouble whammide depending on the system or the
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crime you do. So, yeah, you see him. Jay is not
cool. I never got an Articlefifteen or anything like that was squeaky clean,
model soldier, model soldier, modelsoldier. I had buddies get Article
fifteen though, but some they werekind of questionable. I was like,
oh, just like not being inthe right place in that right time,
right uniform kind of thing. Butlet's get to the needy, greedy man.
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Let's talk about some mgaale life militarymysteries. And the first one on
the list here is something along thelines of a disappearance of a Paul Whipkey.
You want to read this, Youwant me to read it? Yeah,
I'd love to read it. Iwant to get into I want to
get into like voice over later on. So I'm gonna practice minority practice.
(16:37):
Go ahead, all right, herewe go. In the early nineteen fifties,
Lieutenant Paul Whipkey found himself stationed atFort ord California with the United States
Air Force. He was one ofthe first individuals to witness the atomic bomb
tests, but found his health extremelyimpacted by the aftermath of the atomic tests
he worked on. On July ten, nineteen fifty eight, Whipkey decided to
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leave Fort Ord and drived to Monterey, California, just one mile from his
base. When he fails to returnback to base, he's declared a wall
before being declared a deserter thirty daysafter his appearance. Five weeks after Whipkey's
disappearance, his abandoned car is foundnearly five hundred miles away in a remote
section of Death Valley, with hiscar keys still in the ignition. Y
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Arma believed that he was stressed fromhis assignment and suffered from some sort of
breakdown, so he left the carand walked into the desert, where he
likely died. In nineteen seventy seven, the Army destroyed all files pertaining to
Whipkey's case, making the main discrepanciesin his disappearance impossible to look into.
However, many of his family andfriends believe that he was part of a
CIA part of the CIA, anddied during a mission, and if you
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go to the Unsolved Unsolved Mysteries websitewhere we kind of got this from.
It really does seem to make sensethat he might have been working as some
sort of covert operative because he wasa model soldier and he you know,
like a great guy. His familyall confessed that he, you know,
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he would everything, he would neverdesert, like it was still out a
character for him to do that.And then there were kind of discreptan dicies
about between like when he left andthen where his car was, and people
like see people witnesses saying that theysaw somebody driving his car in that area,
but that it was he was likewearing a uniform, and when he
left base originally he was in civilianclothing, So little discrepancies like that.
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And then afterwards the army coming in. It says on the very morning Paul
turned up missing, two soldiers strippedhis room at Fort Ord. Everything was
removed, including Paul's personal belongings.According to his brother Karl, this was
an odd and perhaps illegal procedure.So there's all these little things that just
don't line up. This doesn't addup. Yeah, now I can see
why it's under the Unsolved Mysteries pagehere. Yeah, I mean I totally
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believe it, because that's nineteen fifties. That's when you can get away with
a lot. Seeah, it wasin full swing, man, they were
doing they were toppling dictators and takingpeople out and yeah, that was like
a pigs like. Yeah, itwasn't too far after the s. CIA
was kind of untouchable back then becausethey could be Yeah, you know,
there wasn't everybody didn't have a phone, a camera. You know, you
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could you could pretty much run arampant as you wanted to. So I
wouldn't you know, I wouldn't putit past anything whether this was like a
cover up, I would say ninetypercent and army lieutenant and it's a lieutenant
to you, huh, Well,I mean who knows. But let's if
he was a CIA guy, whoknows what kind of training or what kind
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of experience he had doing whatever else. He might have just been a lieutenant
ostensibly in in the military, inthe Air Force. But what kind what
kind of operative was he? Andand you know what, it makes me
think this is conjecture on my part, of course most of it is.
But like he was a part ofthe tests and then he had radiation poison
or whatever, and so his fakehealth is failing. If I'm a patriotic
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dude and I want to serve mycountry and I want to go out with
a bang, and I get anopportunity from the CIA to go, They're
like, hey, man, listen, you're dying in a couple of years.
You want to do some work forthe CIA. Like yeah, I'm
gonna do it because I want to. I want to have I want to
know within myself that I did everythingI could to serve my country, even
even if I'm dying. And somaybe something happened, maybe he did do
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it and then died, or maybehe failed his mission then and died,
and they're like armies, like,well, we got to cover this up.
So let's take his car. Let'sdrive it out to the desert and
just say that he probably just crackedand was sad, even though that he
wasn't that kind of guy, youknow. Yeah, And it's not like
okay, let's uh cause like now, like in the fifties, I'm sure
there was no like finger printing,Like there is no forensics that we have
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today that like you can figure outlike oh, there's multiple you know,
handprints or this guy's prints aren't evenin this fucking car. You know,
there's it. Back then, youcould get away with literally anything. Yeah.
Yeah, murder, Oh, murdereasy easy, drop somebody in the
desert, yeah, never finding out. You know, you have many serial
killers ran around Rampant that had likedozens of kills, that just lived their
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life and probably are dead now,right. We could talk about a few
of them because like when we getinto these military veterans that became serial killers,
like Jeffrey Dahmer had his first killbefore he was ever even in the
military, and nobody, like nobodyfound that out or didn't find it out
for a long time. Really,I know I watched that Dahmer documentary.
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Did he kill someone before he wentin the service? Yeah? Was it
Dahmer or son of Sam? Ithink it was Dahmer that I know.
Dahmer went into the service and hewas like airborne, right or something.
Dahmer got kicked out for alcoholism,Like he was not a very soldier.
No, he wasn't a good soldier, right, But I think, yeah,
maybe you guys can check us inthe comments, because I don't think
his first kill was until after themilitary when he started working out and he
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would lure his first gay man backand then he got rejected that oh no,
the hippie now murder even nixt Yeah, Dahmer committed his first murder in
nineteen seventy eight, three weeks afterhis graduation. Picked up a Hitchhiger Steven
and then yeah, I lured himback into the pretext of drinking and then
he's like, ooh, I likethis guy. And then wait, wait,
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so this was before the military.This was before yeah, college and
army service. Yeah. In January. Yeah, in January nineteen seventy nine,
he listed in the United States Army, went basic training at Fort McClellan,
Aniston, Alabama. Yeah, sohe killed somebody, then he went
into the army, and then hejust kept on killing people. Nice.
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Nice, nice, I mean notreally nice, but like good to know
that. I didn't know that itwas afterwards. I remember I was watching
that Dahmer documentary when it was superpopular week show like a narrated a narration
narrative, Yeah, narrative to theshow. But let's uh, yeah that
Paul Whipky mysteries kind of but here, n can I sidebar this for just
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a quick second. Sidebar away,side quest away. There is a book
that my wife, she had allalready read it, and then we both
listen to the audio book. It'scalled Chaos, and it is about It
starts off with the uh, CharlesManson murders. Then it starts circling outward
progressively about like we're talking like secretlike experiments like the CIA FBI, like
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a like a mk ultra style experimentsto turn people into operatives. Maybe maybe
Charles Manson underwent this training and thenhe began, Yeah, so if you
want, if you are somebody thatloves a good mystery and just keeps wants
to keep pulling on the thread tosee where it leads, that's this book.
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It's called Chaos. I forget theauthor's name, but it's a it's
a tolle Man. It's like it'slike a thousand pages long. It's crazy,
man, it goes. This guystarted it. The author he was
gonna do like a puff piece foran anniversary of the Manson murders for a
magazine. And it just kept goingfor like twenty years. He took it
to write this book. Man,it was crazy man. Anyway, crazy.
(24:08):
Anyway, CIA got some weirdos inthere. So anyways, see Iia,
you know, a bunch of weirdos. This real life murder as we
transition was a little bit more recently, and I know it was. It
was in the news like hardcore.Yeah, so this one, I mean,
obviously it didn't become a mystery.It just was a really terrible story,
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but it got a lot of press. You know. I remember arguing
with college kids on this one aboutlike how it could happen, and I'm
like, have you ever been inthe military, And yeah, I mean
everybody has an opinion about things they'veever experienced in their life. But anyways,
the murder of Vanessa Guelan Guihan Guelinanyways was I don't yeah, I'm
sorry that yeah. Gi len buta twenty year old United States Army so
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which took place inside in armory atFort Hood, Texas, on April twenty
second, twenty twenty, when shewas bludgeoned to death by another soldier,
Aaron David Robinson. Guiland had beenmissing for over two months when some of
her dismembered remains were found buried alongthe Leon River on June thirtieth. Upon
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hearing about the discover discovery, Robinsonfled Fort Hood and fatally shot himself when
law enforcement attempted to apprehend him nearbyin Colleen, Texas. Now, I
mean, obviously it's a tragic event, right, you shouldn't we shouldn't be
bludgeting our fellow soldiers to death.Regardless of differences on the on the top
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top ten list of things that youshould not do to your fellow soldiers,
this is probably number one or two. Yeah, mostly I would say number
I would argue number one, don'tbludgeon your fellow soldiers to death. But
have you you've been to Fort Hood? Right? Not ever been to Fort
Hoood. I've driven through Texas.I've never spent any great amount of time
in Texas. I've been at Forhood. I you know, I had a
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friend, uh and that I thatI visited. He was stationed at Fort
Hood and that place sucks. It'snot what they had, that shooting,
that Muslim shooting. Yeah, they'vehad everything bad has happened at Fort Hood.
That place is first of all,Colleen, Texas is like you know,
to put in perspective for you,probably not the listener, but like
you know, uh Lakewood right forJBLM. You know, basically the second
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you exit the gate, you arein Lakewood. Yes, that is Colleen
to Fort Hood. And as youknow, Lakewood a ka lake Hood is
it? It'sn't the nicest place inthe world. Right, I don't know
what that. I mean, that'sa side quest on its own. Why
are all military Like, oh,why are all towns that are like right
(26:52):
outside the gate of military bases?Absolute ship? Yeah, sewing shops and
bars right outside that's it. Ohyeah, that's it, And like like
Hobo Central. I don't get it, but uh yeah, that's what Colleen
is. It is not a niceplace. Which is and it says nearby
it's literally like a mile down thestreet. Yeah, that's an absolutely terrible
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one. I know it was inthe news. There's a you know,
there's a Netflix documentary that came outabout it. It was just I think
it. I haven't seen the documentary, but I know when like the news
articles were were coming out, it'slike, how do we how did this
happen? Yeah, you know,do we even know? Why have we?
Have you read the artic or anything. I'm just trying to look for
it. Looks like okay, somotive. Aguilar later explained why Robinson killed
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Gweland, saying Gwelean saw Robinson's cellphone lock screen, which contained a picture
of Aguilar. Robinson told her hewas worried about getting in trouble for violating
the army's fraternization rules since Aguala wasstill married to another soldier, and he
hit Gweland in the head with ahammer. Oh my god, sorry for
laughing. That's not that's like anuncomfortable lap. I mean, that's life
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shocked, las. Yeah, what, that's why you ruined her, because
you killed her and ruined your ownlife because you were messing around. Damn
man, people are absolutely crazy.Yeah, no, that's a that's an
absolutely tragic event. A lot ofyou know, it caused a lot of
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pain for the family. Obviously,it took a long time for them to
even find her remains. I rememberlike watching the news was like she's still
missing, and like the fact thatlike, you know, let's see soldier
took place in an armoryund April twentysecond and like wasn't even you know,
she'd been missing for two months.Yeah, and like nothing, you know,
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not real urgent kind of gears moveslowly kind of thing. Yeah,
I mean that's the military in general. But like when one of your soldiers
goes missing, it's not kind oflike, oh, like you probably like
drop everything we're doing and try tofind this person. Yeah, and uh
yeah. Kind of another side quest, do you even know what a wall
means? Absent without leave? Okay, I never knew. I was that
(29:07):
It sounds a lot less worse thanit is once you say it. Yeah,
yeah, it's uh that's like oldschool military terminology. Yeah. Oh,
it's like absent without official leave,absolute outly okay, yeah, absolute
without leave five consecutive days voluntary involuntaryconsider automatic resignation from the state of service.
Oh okay, wow, okay,wait five days. If you're a
(29:30):
well for five days, it's automaticresignation. Yeah. Yeah, Absence without
leave for five consecutive days with avoluntary involuntary is considered an automatic resignation from
state service as of the last dayof the employed worked out. I'm just
looking at some human resources. Sothis is California. Oh okay, that's
not a fit. That's California.Something else. That's just work, you
know, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, that's like,
you don't show up your job,you resigned. You're not fired, though,
(29:52):
that's interesting, right, failed toshow up for your reported place of
duty on time, failed to showup at your reported place of duty at
all, or leave reported place ofduty unit or organization. Well, I
want to talk about serial killers.Let's talk about serial killers. I just
want to. There's actually a shockingamount of them. Yeah, it's really
weird. I mean it's and it'sit's there's this interesting phenomenon. I think
(30:15):
a lot all these serial killers betweenlike like born in the fifties and like
like the seventies had like all theseserial killers. You know, yeah,
we got to look at we gotSon of Sam, Gary Ridgway, the
Green River Killer, Jeffrey Dahmer,Dennis ra Dennis Raider b t K I
guess he was called, and thenRandy Kraft the Freeway Killer, all military
(30:37):
veterans, which I kind of youknow, you don't want you you love
the military, you love the army, and you don't want it to be
besmirched by by serial killers. Butagain, you know, people are people,
and like you say, you couldwalk and be next be walking somebody
next to somebody in uniform and maybethey're still a killing. You don't know,
(31:00):
you know, you don't know.Okay, so let's see. Let's
go down the list and see kindof. So we have Gary Ridgeway,
the Green River Killer. He joinedthe United States Navy and was in Vietnam
where he was on board a supplyship and saw combat. Okay, oh
right, So then we have DavidBurkelewitz. Let's see David burkle Witz Military.
(31:25):
What did you do? Son ofSam? Dude? Is this guy?
Is this the guy that they theyfeatured in mind mind Hunters? Because
I think he looks really familiar.He looks like he because he's got kind
of a babyface. And so afterthey they got to get to play him
in in the in the the seriesmind Hunters on Netflix. It was a
(31:48):
good job because he was he iscreepy, man, you know, he
is creepy. He is creepy looking. He looks like almost somebody you would
draw from memory. Yeah, youknow. Uh yeah. So he joined
the army. He was it doesn'treally say about uh yeah, sturge at
Fort Knox, Kentucky, and thenwith the Infantry Division in South Korea.
(32:08):
Was honored been discharging nineteen seventy four. Okay, all right, we know
Jeffrey Dahmer, Yeah, okay,so we have Dennis Classic, serial classic.
One of the dude who was theguy? Was it him that there
was kind of a media storm surroundinghim and even young ladies were saying like,
(32:30):
oh, he's kind of sexy,you know, was that him so
weird? No? That was theLos Angeles That was the LA guy.
Uh again, Robert Rodrito. Hisname was Robert Rodriguez, the director of
the direct Yeah, no, whatwas his name? His name was?
(32:51):
I mean, I'm glad I don'tremember it. Oh yeah, maybe it's
best the l A the LA Andyou know what, you look at these
dudes, Dennis Raider, Jeffrey Dahmer, Night Stomcraft Nights Though the Night,
The Night's not nice. Richard Ramirezmirez, Richard rich Yeah, all these dudes,
(33:16):
all these dudes crazy sexual stuff.Man. I think something sexual about
what they did when they were caughtand they finally confessed. What's crazy is
that? I think what Dennis Raider, he was in the Air Force for
about four he was in the AirForce discharge yep. And he and he
but he like he killed for decades. Man, he he would he'd kill
(33:38):
and then he'd stop, and thenhe would kill again. And then he
was one of those weirdos that wouldride into the television states like, Hey,
I'm I'm the guy. You know, you'll never catch me or whatever
you should call me BTK for blindtorture kill with buying torture kill, and
they obliged him, of course,but yeah, he stopped and then it
(33:59):
was only DNA evidence in the earlytwo thousands that ended up leading to his
capture. So like he could have, you know, like totally got away
with him. Yeah for decades.Man, that'd be weird today. Yeah,
that'd be weird if like you're you'rea kid, you have you know,
you're living your life and then youfind it your dad was a serial
killer. Yeah, oh intense.That's a lot of trauma. And then
(34:22):
finally you have a Randy Craft,the Freeway Killer, and he was in
the Air Force and he uh superpainted, yeah Edward's Air Force face.
So yeah, I mean the military, you know, I know a couple
of serials. I know a coupleof people in the military that I would
consider serial killers just not killing innocentpeople. But uh yeah, it's that
(34:45):
fine line. Fine, Yeah,I guess, I guess now would be
an I've spoken of him before,but not a serial killer, but just
speaking of people that you don't know. Uh, but Steve Green's training and
if you've ever seen the movie Redacted, that is based off a horrible incident
(35:07):
of a bunch of soldiers in theearly days of the Iraq War going out
and killing a young girl, rapingand killing a young girl and then killing
her whole family and like lighting himon fire. Yeah, you've talked about
this guy, real sick and twisted, twisted dude, and he's burning in
hell now, So it's yeah,yeah, didn't you say he got the
Uh he got the what's it called? He got the death penalty. Uh,
(35:35):
let's see, I forget. I'dhave to look up his case.
I know that he tried to Basicallyhe ended up dying because he tried to
commit suicide while in custody, andthen he ended up dying of those not
not recout, dying of those injurieswhatever. But uh, he got he
got caught, his trial was goingon, and then he was either convicted
and then killed himself or he wason his way to being convicted and then
(35:57):
killed himself. But uh yeah,crazy man, crazy dude, you'd like
to think, Cameron, that inmilitary service, it can happen, you
know, like we're all a collectionof parts, and we can be urged
kind of pushed one way or theother based on any number of different,
uh different factors. But you'd liketo believe that the military would hopefully create,
(36:20):
with its values and its structure,good productive members of society, right,
yeah, and and and and itcan be. But maybe if the
raw material that you're working with isalready too damaged and too dark and too
to uh demon possessed or whatever,maybe it's yeah, just no hope,
you know. Yeah, man,I mean, like in the beginning we
said there's all different types of character, and you would love to believe that,
(36:44):
like the military creates a product that'sperfect. But you know, if
you put shit in the ice creammachine, it's not going to come out
chocolate playread image. Man, that'sa great disgusting image. Yeah, it's
like you put shit in an icemachine. It's not gonna come out chocolate
flavored. You know, it's justgonna come out looking a little different,
(37:06):
still tasting like shit. Yeah,because you know, I've met some dirt
bags in the military, like absolutepieces of shit. Yeah, but uh,
you know, but it's it's weirdand they probably you know, I
went to let's see, I wouldn'tcall him a piece of shit. That's
just really bad that that happened.I went to to rasp with the guy
(37:30):
that ended up killing like three orfour people on accident. Oh yeah,
he I think he was driving drunkin Georgia and ended up by the wheel
like he hit either another car orhe hit someone on this like a bicyclist
on the side of the road orsomething. Like multiple people were killed and
(37:52):
like he ended up going to jailfor a long I think he's still in
jail. But like that was tragic. I know there was zac. Actually
that wasn't really I don't really Ihave some crazy stories. When I was
I went through basic training. Thisis on the other side, the victim
side. I went through basic trainingwith the guy that he grew up in
(38:15):
Berkeley, California, and I think, you know, we we were in
the same platoon and stuff, gotto know him a little bit. And
then after basic training, I thinkhe was stationed at Fort bliss Or.
He was either stationed at Fort Blissand he was in the National Guard.
But I think he was at FortBliss because that's in like El Paso,
Texas. And like one day Ijust saw a news article about Fort Bliss
(38:37):
soldier found dead, you know,found remains found in the desert, and
it showed a picture of the guyI went through basic training with. So
this guy somehow was I think hewas found in the desert. He was
missing, and then they found hisbody in the desert. So something happened
to him. Oh dang, Andthey still don't know. They still don't
(38:58):
know. No, they so thata mystery, Like nobody knows what happened
to him. Dang man, evenwith today's technology and investigator we have,
Like I think he was kidnapped andthen assaulted. I'm pretty sure they found
him naked. Man. Yeah,it is super rough. Yeah, it
(39:20):
is crazy. Yeah. And thenyou want to talk about like serial killers.
I uh, I mean this guycould have potentially been one. This
is a different guy. Yeah,this is a different guy. Yeah.
So actually it's someone that I metpersonally and knew for a little bit.
I'll save the names though, youknow, I've scrubbed the names just you
know, for privacy sake. Butwhen I showed up the regiment, there
(39:43):
was a there's a guy a tabD five that was in my company and
they put him in the arms room. He was like the n c O.
I see, the non commissioned officerin charge of the arms room.
And uh, something was a littleoff about this guy, hmmmm, because
I mean no, he was supercool. I mean he was like,
you know, sociable. I didn'tI didn't understand what would happen. He
(40:07):
was just a nerd, Like hewould play video games. He was like
you she always played video games.Like he came from three seven five,
I think was the story. Andthen he was here at two seven five
and like I don't know, Iknew something was wrong with him, like
mentally because he poor soul. Hehad a private that worked underneath him in
(40:30):
the arms room. And this guywas super nice. His name was last
name Cassidy. Uh, super niceguy, like you know, I think
pretty sure he grew up in likeUtah, but just a really nice guy.
He never got his ranger tab.But like sometimes there's guys that are
so good at a job, likehe was the guy you wanted in an
arms room, like it was awesome, but his boss was not good news.
(40:57):
So like I'd be sitting in mycage as a private and thing should
be quiet, and you just hearblood curdling screaming, like straight up screaming
that like would blow blood vessels outof your neck, just at poor Cassidy,
Like just he's just screaming at him, like you well, respect me,
youah well, like not cool screaminglike you know, and you know,
(41:22):
that happened quite often, and Iremember I was you know, that
was kind of like, yo,this guy's got something missing. And since
he was in the arms room,he had access to all of the civilian
owned or all of the personally ownedfirearms because technically, you know, you're
supposed to if you have a firearmand you live in the barracks, you're
supposed to keep it in the armsroom. You're not allowed to keep firearms
(41:44):
in the barracks, supposed to.But so he had he had access to
these because he has all the keys, you know, he is the master
of the arms room. So oneday I was at I was in bus
driver school, which honestly is thebest school in the military. My you
know, it was so chill twoweeks vacation baby. Anyways, I'm at
(42:07):
I'm at bus driver school and I'ma I just finished for the day at
least I think I had like twomore days before I took my test.
And uh. I get a callfrom my team leader and he's like,
hey, don't come here Because Iwas heading into work. I was like,
what are you talking about. He'slike, we're on lockdown. There's
an active shooter. And I'm likewhat. He's like, yeah, whatever
(42:28):
you do, just don't come tothe compound right now. I'll call you
when you're when you're allowed to comeback. Wow, Like okay, sounds
good. Come to find out,this guy, the tab D five stole
a personally owned shotgun, like alike someone one of my other team leader
had a Remmington eight seventy in thearms room. He took it, got
(42:52):
into his car, and then hedrove right outside of post you know where
like the Popeyes is all the socialYeah what was that called? That wasn't
Victory Boulevard, that's Fort Benning.But what was that street car? I
don't remember. Yeah, but youknow, was there a Popeyes there?
Oh? Man, I can't remember. I'm thinking there was like a subway
and then a Mexican run yea.Yeah. So anyways on one here,
(43:15):
there's a Popeyes there right next tothe sow shop, and like there is
a Popeyes there. He pulled intothe Popeyes, rolled down his windows,
his window, and shot a randomguy in the face and then was on
the run for three days. Ohmy gosh, did I ever tell you
the story? Oh my god,you have never told me this story.
I would remember something like this.Yeah. So he like took the shot
(43:37):
and he shot this guy in theface and then went on the run for
like two or three days. Likethe police were after him. He like
basically was found. He tried tocar jack someone and he was like give
me your car and they were likeno. They like turned into this giant
thing and then they found him.Uh, because he would be hiding in
(43:58):
the woods. He covered himself elfpredator style in mud, I'm pretty sure,
and like he tried hiding underneath somebody'sporch and like the guy came out
and held him at gunpoint and untilthe cops came. And yeah, yeah,
so that guy got like I thinkhe pleaded insanity and I think he's
getting out soon. What all right? Right on he hears this episode.
(44:21):
Yeah, fun fact the guy heshot in the face didn't die. Oh
my gosh. Yeah, yeah,so that was that was a possible serial
killer in the making camera. That'sthat's amazing, man. I'm surprised you
have held on to that story forso long. Known each other. No,
man, oh man, were Cassidyman? Hopefully he you know,
(44:42):
oh he's yeah, after he wasgone, like he took over that place
and it was good. I hopeif you're listening to this, buddy,
I hope you're doing well. Yeah. Yeah. I also have another one
that's way shorter, but uh,if you want to hear it, I
gotta hear it. Man, we'reright out of time, but I gotta
hear it. Like this one is. It's a lot shorter. It's like
because I didn't know the guys.But anyways, when I was like a
(45:04):
gun team leader, we had thisguy, a brand new private come out
of RASP went to Alpha Company.I'm pretty sure he was like an Indian
or a Pakistani guy. And likeone weekend, you know, we come
back into work and the cops andeverybody are at the compound, which is
not really that shocking of dude,because the police are always at the compound
(45:25):
for some reason, especially after aweekend. Oh turns out turns out this
brand new private like uh went toSeattle and hired a hooker and threw her
off a bridge. Oh my goodness. Yeah, he threw her off of
a bridge and like got caught orsomething, and like so he killed this
(45:49):
hooker and then come to find outhe might have been a spy really yeah,
because his parents were Indian or Pakistaniand they would and they like like
the I got involved and started likebasically going through his data and stuff,
and it turned out that he waslike funneling information to his parents and his
parents were always asking about his securityclearance and all this stuff. Yea watch
(46:14):
half and pack. I don't knowwhy Australia all of a sudden, but
yeah, so that was you know, I'm sure there's more than I can.
I feel your your stories make mefeel good about my time and service
because apparent yeah, older and stuffand stuff, and so there were some
petty stuff that went on, butgenerally were all at pretty level heads for
(46:35):
the moment. Oh yeah, notthere, dude. That was psycho town,
Like, yeah, that's why Ialways started, like grow up in
range a regiment and like it'll giveyou an amazing perspective. That's like people
are so I think they're so goodafter they get out of regiment because they're
thankful for the opportunity, like theygot the skills, but then they work
so hard because they're just grateful tobe so they're like, I'm free.
(47:02):
I could really live my life now, free from trauma and psychoses. Yeah.
Man, well, Cameron, thoseare amazing stories. I'm glad that
you held onto them for this episodeof particular. No idea I didn't tell
you that story. Yeah, I'mglad you did, man, I'm I'm
It's funny because you and I havea limited amount of time in the military
that from which we can pull stories, and you and I we've told stories
(47:25):
the same story as most boys.But then every once in a while,
a little jem, a different storywill come out of the wood, you
know, just like you know sometimeslike the military service is kind of it's
a black hole, and like sometimesout of nowhere, it'll just spit something
new out and you're like, oh, ly I remember that. Yeah,
They're like, oh yeah, Idid that, And I just totally forgot
about it. Yeah, but man, all right, that's awesome, Kevin,
(47:49):
thank you so much for sharing thosefolks. We are going to get
onto a fan question and then wegot a game. Think Cameron, you
got the game this time yet.Gavin has sent us an email asking have
you ever have either of you everconsider joining the police or the FBI or
anything like that. Yeah, Cam, Yep, yes I did. I
(48:09):
actually was in the uh right whenI was going out. I came home
to take the expedited l APD entryapplication and I went through the entire thing.
I was all the way through it, just waiting on a call pretty
much from background to be like you'regood, Uh, here's your here's your
date. But and I'm pretty surethis was like the best thing that ever
(48:32):
happened to me. But like oneday, it was taken a little bit
along. It was taken like alot longer than they said it was going
to. Uh So I called them, I'm like, hey, my name's
Cameron. I'm looking to see thestatus of like my application. I went
through the expedited process. Here's myyou know, my file number, like
my application number, and they,like I gave it to them and the
(48:52):
lady on the phone was like,I'm sorry, we don't have any record
of your application at all all,Like it's like you never even applied.
And I'm like, well, Ididn't just spend five days in a suit
and tie like going through your entirefreaking application and polygraph and background and psyched
for nothing. And it turns outthey just completely lost it. And uh.
(49:15):
When I got to the National Guard, a lot of my peers and
subordinates were officers in the LAPD,very very common in the National Guard,
and like I asked him, Iwas like, hey, man, have
you ever heard of like something theLAPD like losing application packets? Like am
I just being stiff armed here?And he's like, oh no, they
(49:35):
lose him all the time. Ohoh gosh. And I'm like, wow,
what a waste of fucking time.But then they called They called me
like a year later and they're like, hey, we found your application.
Are you still interested? And I'mlike, fuck, no again. I
think the world has benefited greatly fromthat mistake. Yeah, I myself,
(49:57):
No, I never considered joining thepolice, FBI anything like that. There
was a brief moment in time asI was out processing that I thought,
well, maybe I could do someprivate contracting, but I just didn't have
the gumption. I was like,I'm gonna go to LA and become a
famous actor. I'm gonna do abrain dump on all of my military information.
And I wish I hadn't, becausehere I am wishing I could remember
(50:19):
half of the stories that you have. Well, I mean, twenty years
is a bit of a difference,but that's okay, Yeah, that's okay.
Well, we hope we answered thatquestion for you, Gavin. And
now it is time to transition tothe game. And I have a game
for you, Israel. And thisgame is called Crimes and Misdemeanors. This
is a little trivia game that highlightsthe difference between civilian law and military law.
(50:45):
Oh god, you should do exceptionallywell, according to Chris. Okay,
I don't know if you're joking,Chris, because I was having a
hard time knowing what you remembering whatUCMJ meant. But hey, I'm excited.
Just makes good games. He doesmake good games. And this isn't
that long of a game. It'sonly four questions and they're multiple choice,
(51:06):
so you have so you're good.Okay, Okay, and no warm up.
Are you ready ready? Okay?Question number one. Civilians get their
miranda rights read to them. Inthe military, it's called I didn't even
know this shit. I mean,then again, I haven't been arrested in
the military before. He had aspeeding ticket on post one time. But
(51:28):
that's it. Oh, I'm sorry, I got to read you this.
Yeah, I don't know what itis, man, I'm sorry. It
is article A, article fifty B, article seventy eight, or c Article
thirty one. In the military,your miranda rights are called fifty seventy eight
or thirty one. Thirty one forsome reason has has the truest ring to
(51:51):
it, like I've heard it beforeor heard the most often. So I'm
just going to say thirty one.Nice man. Way to go with your
gut is article thirty one rat learningto you can roll by? Okay,
here we go. Number two.Court martials are trials for military personnel,
(52:13):
but they are three different types.The most severe trial, reserved for serious
felony level crimes, is called ablank courts martial. Is it a summary,
be general or ce special? Sosummary court martial, general court martial
or special court martial. I meanmy instinct is special because it's it's severe,
(52:37):
like general is like, oh youknow, we're just kind of getting
ready or whatever. Summary summary hassome weight to it, but I'm I'm
having a hard time thinking of howit might relate to a crime specifically.
But special, it's it's special.You really you did a special thing,
you get a special court martial.Well you're wrong, it is not special.
(52:59):
It's actually general, which is superinteresting. Yeah. Yeah, so
general courts martial is the most severetype. So if you find yourself facing
a general one called Tom Cruise,Uh, there's numbers on the board.
Maybe it's a general on the tribunal. Yeah, possibly, all right.
Number three Military juries have to bea unanimous vote to convict. True or
(53:22):
false? Oh man, because I'mgonna say false, because don't civilian court
Civilian juries have to be unanimous rightfor certain for criminal right, Uh,
let's do let's say no, I'mgonna say false, just like fifty fifty.
(53:45):
Well that one that plus one's helpingyou out. Yes, it is
false and little explanation here. Themilitary is one jurisdiction that still allows a
split for a split verdict in criminaltrials. In most cases, a three
fourths majority is required for conviction inparentheses, up from two thirds prior from
twenty nineteen. Cases involving capital offencecharges are the exception to this. When
(54:09):
a death sentence is possible, allpanel member all panel members must vote unanimously.
M I get that. It's apretty high standard to put somebody to
death. So yeah, so everybody'sgotta be on the same page. We
gotta kill the student. All right, well, you're doing good. You
only missed one, and let's seeif you can finish strong here question number
four. The set of laws thatthe military is governed by is calledform Uniform
(54:37):
Code of Military Justice, the MilitaryCode of Conduct, or the Military Code
of Judgments. I'm so glad wetalked about it in the episode today,
So that'd be a uniform Code ofMilitary Justice. Yeah, that one was
kind of a giveaway. I washoping the last one was like a ballbuster.
But way to go. Yep,you are absolutely corrected, and that's
going to conclude this week's game.Woo, thanks, good game, good
(54:59):
game. I like in any militarymilitary lore, you know military information,
because man, like you say,it's been we're we're going on fourteen years
out for me, at this point. And I still love the world.
I still love like that, dippingmy toe in that world. But man,
I'm very very far out at thispoint. Kay, you're good man,
You're better than the rest of us. You're living your own life,
(55:21):
unlike me who literally it's entire identitystill and can't find his own way.
Well, you're making the money.You're making hey, while the while the
sun shines. Man, there yougo. Well, folks, we hope
you enjoyed this episode of CSI PCFM. We hope you learned something about some
crazy serial killers or just had agood time with us. Don't forget to
(55:43):
check out the Patreon, our merchandiseall the cool stuff we said in the
beginning, and subscribe to our YouTube. Yeah, folks, And if you
like horror games, I got achannel myself. Speaking of being a nerd
and a gamer, go check outthe is Files on YouTube. I z
the is Files got some great stuffcome out out for that in the future.
Yeah, and then also subscribe tomy YouTube since we're plugging. Oh
(56:06):
yeah, Cameron up on the rise. Amazing stuff coming out man. Yeah,
some educational tactical content for you that'salso entertaining. So Check that out.
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