Representation Matters

Out of all the stories and representations of war in Pop Culture throughout the decades which ones are the BEST? That’s the question behind this episode today and Izzy and Cam are here to tell you which movie, television show, video game or book they think best represents a certain conflict. But what are the guideline the guide their decisions? Should it be the best encapsulation of the conflict overall? A personal account that communicates a message about the conflict? Should more weight be given to the artistic, the historically accurate? Listen up, because that's what they're here to discuss.

A classic game of "Two Truths and a Lie" wraps up this fun, extra-long episode. 


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Episode Transcript

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In time. In time, there'sa guy to pull to make it through.
Hey, by the way, speakingof being a hard charger man,
how was the LA Marathon you ran? Ah, yes, I am a
champion. No, that's why you'reyour post with the flag? You did

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you carry that flag the whole time? Did you guys trade off? Oh?
No, so we basically there wasno way we're going to carry that
flag the entire way. Yeah,twenty six point two miles is a long
ways, but no, we atmile twenty two, we had a guy
meet us and he dropped us theflagpole and then we all took turns carrying

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past the finish line for the lastfour four miles. Yeah, it was
a really cool experience. Uh,it was a lot of Obviously, it
was a lot of hard work andye had to train out for it and
then just you know, get yourbody used to that. We got exactly
the time I wanted to for likea first marathon experience. So yeah,
I was like, dude, thisis cool. The energy everybody was out

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on the streets, talk about justa cool experience. To be able to
like shut down an entire city.Yeah, that is huge and get to
run down these streets. That wouldbe literally impossible to do if this wasn't
like an organized event. So itwas really cool. Yeah, they must
have cleared out the hobos though,because I only saw like a couple,

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because they must have like really tooklike a bamboo stick and like whipped them
away. They probably know the bombsprobably, you know, like I get
out of here. Yeah, yeah, the regulars. Even more people on
the streets now and it makes meuncomfortable. Yeah, yeah, no,
but it was super cool. Yeah, we got it done. We ended
up raising. Yeah, over wemet our goal of raising thirty thousand dollars

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for for Guardian Revival, the nonprofitthat like basically we created the team to
run for and fundraise for. Soyeah, dude, I would say it's
a success. It was a greatsuccess. Nice man, that's awesome.
That's really cool. You I'm sureyou are you recovered? You canna be
all right? Yeah, I'll befine. But like it's it's Wednesday,

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so it's been it's my third dayof recovery. But yeah, my body
still hurts. But yeah, that'spart of the game. Baby. That's
six miles is not It's not nothing, it's not. But yeah, I
mean You know what's really funny isthe day I ran the marathon, I
went on my I went on myFacebook and you know how it shows you
the memories. And on March seventeenthwe did arbiton Death March last year,

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Hey, no caire, So it'sliterally a year. Exactly a year later,
I did another twenty six point two. I guess this has to be
a yearly thing. Yeah, justtorture and torture myself every year run a
marathon. You've inspired me, man, I have been. I have decided
that I'm going to do my firstuh Tactical Games event in September. Literally,

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I mean like I was looking fora goal when you said you were
going to do the marathon, Iwas like, I gotta do something something,
man. I can't can't let Cameronshow me up again. But anyway,
that's gonna be September, So that'llbe that'll be fun. It gives
me something to focus on, somethingto get up in the morning and work
on. So it'd be basically crossfitters, yeah, and shooting and shooting and

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cross I think it's an awesome idea, dude. That sounds like a lot
of fun. I'll see if Ican join you maybe can we not?
Can we take a second and like, shout out our producer Chris, because
oh my god. Yeah, speakingof physical special speaking of physical specimens,
people that you are sleeper cells thatyou didn't know worked out. Chris ran

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a half marathon in the Austin.He ran the Austin half marathon and he
didn't just run it, he smokedit, sprinted it. Yeah. Well
average is mile after it was likeseven, he got like a seven thirty
seven forty average for thirty for thirteenmile, thirteen point one miles. So
shout out to Chris. Yeah.It was the true unsung hero of the

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year. Yeah. Yeah, andhe's tall too, for those of you
who don't know, he's tall,and he's what like six one six two.
Yeah, he's a tall guy.Yeah, he's a tall guy.
So yeah he'll move. He canmove. Yeah, he can move.
Man. Great way to go,Chris. Maybe go magic voice, Chris,
it's not just the voice that ismagic, the body as well.
See, folks who're out here,we're getting after it. We got plans,

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we got achievements, So get up, Yeah, do stuff, no
excuses. Life is short and it'sfull of wars. Yeah, that's nice.
Yes, Today, folks, ifyou have read the title of the
episode, which you should have,don't. If you can read arbitrarily,
click on an episode. Okay,you never know what you're gonna get.

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We can talk about anything, butin this one we're talking about we're it's
kind of a wrap up or kindof a once over the world. We're
going to go through major conflicts.I guess major American involved conflicts, because
there's tons of conflicts. Obviously,conflicts has been the one constant in human
since Kane killed a but we've beenkilling each other. As I'm fond of

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say caps. Can you hear him? Yeah, that's pretty I think you
man, you need to quiet down. But you're not paying attention to me.
There he is. Yeah, he'snot being cool today. Uh,
that's okay, that's okay, that'sokay. We'll keep trucking along. That's
right. So today, everyone,Cameron and I are going to go through

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some major American conflicts from just beforethe beginning of the United States all the
way up through the ones that we'vebeen involved in. Most of the ones
we've involved, I'm sure that we'vebeen involved with a lot of secret wars
that we don't know about that arestill classified. But and we're gonna try
to give you and talk about whythe best representation of each one, what
pop culture, uh piece of popculture best represents each individual conflict, and

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the reasons why we think so.So that's today's episode, folks. You
can tell us if you agree withour list or if not, and then
we'll talk about some honorable mentions andsome other whether it be a smaller conflict
or another historical incident that we think, oh yeah, that has a great
representation, and here's why. Sogreat opening is he but I don't want

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to I don't want to waste anytime. Let's go into it. Let's
let's go right into it, startingwith the French and Indian War. Yeah,
this is an interesting one camera becauseit's we're not technically a nation yet,
we're not the United States. We'restill Yeah, this land was our
land and it was their land,and then it became our land because we
took it from them and they did, but it was the Indian land for

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a really long time. America,North America has been a land of conflict
since the very beginning, not thevery beginning. I know that you know,
they had the Mayflower, the Pilgrimscame over. There were some good
times. Man, we had somegood times, but then good Yeah,
the national interests take over French,France and England. I think they are
both vying for territory. And thenthe Indian tribes and conglomerations of Indian tribes

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they picked their sides and so soFrench and Indian War. That was that,
and then I think it did itlead to American independence or like it
kind of precipitated it, because Ifeel like I feel like history, at
least American history, it's just lullsbetween conflicts that are led the seeds of

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which, the seeds of which areplanted before in the previous conflict, you
know, like World War One.That's the seeds were planned for World War
II. In World War One andthe aftermath, you know, I mean
I could see so because in theFrench and Indian War, so we have
that seventeen fifty four to seventeen sixtythree, so seven years a little bit

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longer than seven years was the theaterof the Seven Years War. Okay,
so basically had North American colonies forBritish Empire, which was us, you
know, that's yeah, who wecame over where we came from, yeh
uh. And then versus the Frenchwith various Native American tribes split between loyalties,

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right, so different tribes are attachedto different things. So basically,
I think, you know, greatBritain ended up pretty much taking taking the
cake, and then we ultimately ledto the rebellion against Britain for the settlers
from the colonies to now which becameAmerica. So yeah, I think you

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know, the French and Indian Warranger roots. The only reason you know,
I'm very I'm even familiar with thiswar is because rangers. The lineage
that we were taught when we werein goes all the way back to the
French and Indian War. I thinkI believe off the top of my head
was Benjamin Churchill. Let's see BenjaminChurchill on the Google machine was an American

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military officer and he was in theFrench and Indian War. Yes, okay,
cool, nice, I remember see. And then he was also an
outbreak let's see. Oh, becauseactually go back before that to the King
Phillips War. Oh, for theFrench and Indian War. Yeah, during

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the French Church participated in asymmetric warfareagainst the French and their indigenous allies.
He led troops to raid French coloniesof Arcadia during the King Williams War and
Queen Anne's War, strating his malecareer ranked captain. So anyways, never
mind he died in seventeen eighteen.This was before this is the King King
Phillips War. Anyways. People,Well, hey, let's get to our

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pick for the best encapsulation for theFrench and Indian War, which you probably
can guess, folks, because there'snot too many movies. There's not a
lot involving the French and Indian War, and three of them are basically the
same, the same one. Butwe chose the Michael Man movie Last to
the Mohicans absolutely for good reason.Yes, oh my god, what a

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what an amazing film. Great becauseit's so it's it gives the great context.
Right. It's a personal story,right, It's basically a love story
between Daniel day Lewis and Madeline Stowetheir characters, but it's set against the
backdrop of the French and Indian War. Yeah, and kind of going on

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in the background. Yeah, itgives a great Yeah, they're just Yeah,
there's they're just in the middle ofit. Uh. And and but
and it's also kind of like ait's a bit of a melancholy or a
sad tale because the last of theMohicans, it's actually not Daniel day Lewis.
He is a He's a white kidwho was his family was killed and
then he was raised by these Mohawkguys. And they're basically the last two.

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It's a father and a son.Yeah, and so yeah, and
there's a bit of a commentary ofof the you know, the slow expansion
of European nations coming into the Americanlands and and just kind of the slow
encroachment of of of Indian nations thatyou know, partnering with them moving away

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and file. But you know,and then it's like it's kind of just
like like, I know how theI know, popular culture is like we
killed them. We just brought ina bunch of you know, a chicken
pock infested blanket and march slowly acrossthe plains, just shooting Indians everywhere.
We But it's it's just kind ofwhat happens when two cultures meet one another

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or multiple cultures come together. Inevitablythey are influenced by one another, there's
some conflict and eventually, you know, there's an equilibrium that's established. So
I feel like Last of than Mohicansis is is a good kind of little
snapshot of that of that time period. You know, when these world powers
French, France, French and India, French, France and England, and

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then by their proxy, you knowof Indian tribes who choose their loyalties to
say, hey, we're going togo with these guys, and to go
with them. So you know,when did you lie? When did you
first see Last of the Mohicans camp? Oh? Okay, actually saw Last
of the Mohicans when I was inRanger Regiment, because yeah, it was
it was a little later in life. Because there was a few movies obviously

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that people obsess over, and yeah, the Last of the Mohicans is one
of those movies. I don't knowthat holds a very high rank within the
military for like, you know piecesof films that or you know a film
that you should watch if you're inthe military because a the soundtrack is legendary.

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Oh yeah, I think I've toldyou this story where we had the
we had like a family day orsomething where like all the kids were running
around. I think this was likein twenty seventeen or eighteen, and it
was like I think it was anFRG event, but it was one of
those that everyone's gonna be here.Yeah you're all and told, yeah,

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you're like, everyone's gonna be hereeven if you don't want to be,
and you're gonna have fun. Soso I remember they had like little like
little uh on the ranger. Thereused to be this ginormous like green grass
lot and that's where like the rangeof Memorial is. If you literally google
maps fort Lewis, I guarantee youyou will be able to find second range

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of Battalion because there is like aone hundred foot two diamond or ranger scroll.
Is it a range? I thinkit's a ranger scroll that's on the
ground that you can like yeah literally, I mean they'd be funny if I
could pull that up. Let's seeif I can. But uh yeah,
we have this giant, uh greengrass like lot next to it, and

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it was like a bunch of stationsset up for all the kids and stuff.
And they had a they had atomahawk throwing station that literally the entire
time would just uh on loop forlike six hours straight the last of the
movie, and I just remember listeningto it all day. And we had

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a sergeant major at the command startedmajor of the time at two seventy five,
and he was loving it. Sothat's kind of like if you you
know, if you were there,you're like, yeah, I know,
I know, Yeah, when wasyour first experience with that movie? Man,

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It's one of those I first sawthis movie in Colorado Springs. I
remember it was playing. It wasone of those things that I was playing
in the background at a different andand and you kind of intend to just
have it be in the background,but then you end up sitting down.

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Everybody ended up sitting down and watchingit because it's one of those movies that
you can just it's just so watchable. And then since then I've I've sat
down and actually fully given it myattention. Uh but uh yeah, it's
it's I I I love it becauseI remember being surprised when the at the
end, I thought, the son, you know, the son is the
one that carries on and lives hislife, and the and the Indian Son,

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the Mohawk Indian Son, he actuallygets killed by Maguai and then the
father's like just like pieces like,uh, well all right, once we
were here, you know, yeah, danielday Lewis is all I've always enjoyed
his his performances, you know,and west Study I met him once,

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yees, So it's always very importantto mention that. But last the Thoughikans,
yeah, man, French and IndianWar. Great, great little encapsulation.
It's always good when they well,you got to do this. It's
it's a it's a the context istoo big, right, unless you're doing
some sort of documentary or some sortof epic film or mini series about the

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entirety of it, you got tomake it personal. So they kind of
put these two people in the midstof the story. And Michael Man I've
always loved his direction. So it'sreally cool. All right, you got
it, all right? So righthere, all right, yetta. This
is why you gotta watch YouTube versions, folks, because we're looking at Fort
Lewis right now. Became brought itup on the Google second ranger. That's

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huge, man. Is that isthat grass or is that colored grass or
is that turf or something? Thisis like actually this orange part so you
have this is all bricks, okay, and then this orange part is colored
bricks, but each one has thename of a donor that helped donate to
create this memorial. Okay, Soyeah, this is that green that green

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lot, ascid green lot. Iwas telling you about where it is like
where we do our formations and everything. And then this is the company area.
So then yep, that's beat Coright there. That's right, it
would work all right? Is thatthis is where I'd live, right go
up a little bit. Is thatthe exit road going out to the main
drag? Yeah, right here,so go up? Do you want to

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go to yours and then go tothe right and then go down this road
and then it's going to fork andgo this way and then be right there?
Is that is that? There?We go a all? Right there,
that's where I was. Yep,I literally filled down the street the
first group. You kind of wentthe back way. That's good. You

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really do know. Oh that's ourfive mile route. So we'd basically would
turn around right here, right uphere. But if you wanted to go
the real way, you'd go here. This is the main road, the
main road, and then you'd hitthere there's a p X you go down
here. It's where when me andthe wife went for our anniversary trip went
on. We're back. That's wherewe were stopped. The defence line of

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like, I don't care right here, yeah, right there. Yeah,
we should have a little gate thatyou can't have right here gate. Yeah.
That's fun. That's fun, man, that's cool. Good memories,
good times, good times. Allright. So that's the French and Indian
War. I agree with you thelast a Moolican's amazing representation. I mean,
not a lot to pick from,but I'm glad the few choices that

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we do have were well well made. I'm moving on American War for Independence.
Yeah, a lot of movies madeabout this. It's either called the
American Revolution the War for Independence,same, same, yep. But there's
a lot of great pieces here.I know you have something I've actually never

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never looked into. Why don't youtell me a little bit about that?
Well? I chose a book forthis one, and books still count,
folks, They still exist. Okay, they are being all about movies and
television and video games. But thebook Washington, a Life by Ron Chernow,
and I chose this because Washington's lifehe started as an Englishman, you
know he and it chronicles the bookchronicles his entire life from before his birth,

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his family lineage, up to hiswhole career going into the American Revolution,
and then afterwards and then ultimately hisdeath, and then talks a little
bit about, you know, hislegacy after that. So it's a great
encapsulation. His life is the threadthrough which you can kind of see the
American War for Independence because I thinka lot a lot of pop culture around

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the American we got I think it'swhat Assassin's Creed three takes place during the
American Revolution. We got turn whichis a great series about spies during the
American Revolution. So a lot hasbeen a lot has been made, and
so that's why I chose chose thisone. I listened to it on audiobook.
It's like twenty hours long. It'sso ron Turnout is good. Is

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he's a good guy. If youwant if you want biographies and historical accounts,
he's He's written a lot of stuff. So Washington was great. The
the thing I like about this book, if you want a sort of review,
is it shows Washington that you know, he was not He's not like
this saint. We have him aslike this kind of saintly figure. He

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did everything right. He never madeany mistakes, but he did, he
did make mistakes, and he hadhis flaws. And and for example,
you know, you know, duringthe American Revolution, he wasn't the best
tactician, but he was super organizedand he knew how to hold an army
together with a lot of discipline anda lot of structure. And that was
one of the most important things aboutthe American Revolution was having that army and

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keeping it together and not letting itfall apart. And it's just simple stuff
like how are you going to getthese soldiers paid, how are you going
to keep them in the camp?How are you going to get camp organized?
And then also he was he didseem to be too totally fearless when
it came to being in battle.By all accounts, he was on the
front lines. He was running likethrough the front lines. He'd have horses
shot out beneath between him, underneathhim, you know. And he he

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did like to lead from the frontwhen there was a battle. So you
can give him that credit, Butthen you know it just through his presidencies
and and and there's all these details, you know, and working with people
and trying to find treat to maketreaties and and going back and forth.
So yeah, sorry, I can'thelp but laugh because I'm not laughing at
your explanation. Washington, like,obviously, he's one of the founding fathers.

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He was the first president of ourcountry. Yeah, just this reminds
me of a stand up. Haveyou ever heard of a guy named Shane
Gillis, No, he's really Shane. Well, there's the Nate Bargatzi Saturday
Night Live Washington skit that if youdon't know that, folks go and look
at it Washington's Dream or something likethat. That's great. Yeah. No,

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the comedian Shane Gillis, he's he'she cracks me up. He did
this one bit. He has astand up that's available on Netflix right now.
If you haven't watched it, gowatch it. It's really funny.
But he does his bit about Washington, like he went to Washington's compound during
COVID by himself I think it wasby himself or with his friend at the

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time. Yeah, Mount Vernon andhe went down there, and obviously,
like you said at the beginning,you learn like George Washington is seen as
like you know, the founding father. He's one of the founding fathers,
the first president of the country.He could do no you know, he
could do no wrong, you know, chopping down cherry tree whatever, right,
but like, yeah, no,he's just like us, right,

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he had faults, he had issues, So he you know, does his
bit and like obviously he's dropped athilarious because it has to do with like
slavery. And also he's also areally funny looking guy. So when he's
wearing his mask, all you cansee is his eyes, and you know,
the guys probably think he's like thereby himself, and he's you know,
has down syndrome, so like they'relike treating him like he's special.

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And but anyways, he's you know, they come to the end of the
tour and they have Washington's teeth ondisplay, and like a lot of people
think his teeth are made of wood, but that's not the case. Like
Washington's teeth and this is one ofthe things that you're like, what the
fuck. Yeah, yeah, Washington'steeth were actually like made of a combination

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of like human teeth, horse teeth, cow teeth, like the whole nine
yards, And he would just keephis mouth and then you know you you
mentioned that he was like fearless onthe battlefield, and in this stand up
it's like, yeah, it's kindof obvious. No shit, he was
like and he was really tall.He was like six foot something and when

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people were not, oh, thatwas like a giant. Yeah. So
could you just imagine this guy,this giant of among men on the other
side, Like, imagine you're ayou're a British guy. Yeah, and
you just see this shine normous guycoming at you, and no wonder,
he's fearless because he's probably got mercurypoisoning from all those ship in his mouth.

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He's just coming at you, foamingfrom the mouth because he's just poisoning
himself. Oh well yeah, checkout that stand up. It's absolutely okay,
Yeah, it's it's a it's areally good bit, man, George

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Washington. Yeah, George Washington,get back to Washington, man, No
wonder, he's scaring the ship outof people, foaming from the mouth,
just crossing the Delaware. We're gonnafucking get That's how he won the first
president. He nobody would run again, and nobody really wanted to tell the
guy he lost Okay, I can'tmy pick. Well, my pick for

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American Revolution is it's a pretty easyone. It's the Patriot. You know,
it's classic, classic. The reasonI picked it as one of one
of the best representations just because there'shistorical relevance. You know, it's based
off an event. It's more ofa propaganda piece than anything, because who
doesn't like seeing just this gorilla militarycrushing the British and you know at the

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end raising the flag up in thebattle. You know, it's it's just
a you know, a pro Americanpiece and it's I love it. And
not to mention. Oh sorry,go ahead, that's it. I just
gonna you right, Alonge with whatyou're saying. I just wanted to read
the tagline from IMDb peaceful farmer BenjaminMartine is driven to lead the colonial militia
during the American Revolution when a sadisticBritish officer. Yeah, it's a pro

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American piece and I love it.It's uh, you know, it feels
fire. I feel like there's stillsome tension going on between America and England.
It'll never, it'll never, youknow, go away. We're like
sibling, we're like you know,like like love hate siblings, you know
what I mean. It's like we'realways gonna give each other a hard time.
But yeah, like we're not gonnaforget because the fourth of July is

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a thing. Yeah. Yeah,we celebrate that shit every year. It's
the most anti British holiday ever.Yeah, and we literally we're not gonna
forget because thousands of people lose fingersevery year because of that day. So
like it's a very important thing tous. Uh. And then yeah,

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it's just and then you also havethe fact that it's you know, it's
loosely based off of Francis mary On, the character who was in the American
Revolution who you know, basically didexactly what this character does. What I'm
sorry, Why am I blanking onhis name? Yeah, okay, I'm

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sorry. Yeah, he's Francis Marion. They call him the swamp Fox.
He was known for, you know, having his militia do these gorilla style
attacks, these you know, ambushes, and then basically hiding out in the
swamps to where they couldn't be trackedor detected. So I like the fact
that they incorporated those elements and likekind of had the the inspiration for this

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character based off of an actual figure. Yea. And yeah, and it's
part of ranger history too, becauseFrancis Marion was a Ranger. But yeah,
yeah, that's why, that's whyI picked that one. I think
it's a you know, if it'snot the Patriot, it's something very similar
for the American Revolution. But yeah, yeah, I totally get that.
Yeah, man, let's move on. Let's go to I think right after

(27:48):
that. I tried to do thesewhen I was listening. I tried to
do them in chronological order, butwe got the Civil War next. Yeah.
A ton video games, books,television, mini series, and movies
have been made about the Civil War, and one of the you know,
we talk about the parameters, whatare the parameters that we're using when you
talk about you know, how youchoose the top pick for whatever, you

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know, war representation, you're gonnayou know, you're gonna choose, and
so it's it's so much right andyou can't. There's the one thing about
history that I've learned is that it'scomplicated. You know, you can't just
say it. You know, it'sabout this thing and that thing or you
know, one one little thing orthis person. It's all this person's fault

(28:34):
like they may have been pivotal,but there was so much that precipitated that
came before that, and then apart of it and then afterwards which led
which will inevitably lead to other events. But yeah, the Civil War,
A ton of stuff have been madeabout that, A lot of stuff.
So I ask you, what didyou narrow it down to? I gotta
go with the like the obvious stories, Yeah, because we agreed on this

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one. But glory, glory,glory, glory. Oh man, I've
seen this movie. There's not toomany movies that I've seen more than once
and and yet still touched me inthe fields every time. Isaaumuh. It's
It's just it's so well done.It's based on true story. It's Robert

(29:18):
Gouldshaw and the fifty fourth Massachusetts InfantryRegiment, I think, And it was
a colored regiment. It was black, black dudes fighting for the North during
the Civil War, which was youknow, slavery was a big, big
part of why that war got fought. Yeah, for so long it was
split in our country, a greatpivotal time, I should say, in

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our country and just an all starcast freaking Denzel I think he won his
Oscar Oscar for this one, yeah, Morgan, Yeah, of course.
And then a very young and thinMatthew Broderick and carry always too, you
know. So it just so manyand Andre Brower rip, Andre Brower,

(29:59):
rescue, he's my friend. Also, I forget that he's in there.
And then he went on to doI think it was Brooklyn nine nine after
that, not directly after, butbut in a very in a very saturated
field of pop culture. When itcomes to the Civil War, glory stands
alone. So yeah, true story, great acting, great story. If

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I could only show somebody one CivilWar movie, it would have to be
this one. Yeah. Man,Like I said, I mean, I
haven't said it yet, but weare in agreeance that this is an amazing
representation. You know, we can'tdeny the fact that slavery was, like
it was totally one of the triggersfor the Civil War, right, yeah,
one of the main triggers. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. He can't

(30:45):
be like, oh no, there'sthe reason there was. But the most
important reason, yeah, exactly,like the right to continue to have slaves.
Yeah, continue to have people.And that's that's one of the things
I mean, like in American history, it was already. It was an
issue before we were nation. Itwas an issue while we were trying to
form the constitution, it was anissue after that, and then eventually it
led to the Civil War. Youknow. Yeah, I mean in the

(31:08):
history of the world, slavery wasn'ta new thing. The United States didn't
invent slavery by any means. No, if you've read the Bible, you
know that slaves were you know,to help build the pyramids. But right,
right, yeah, but I meanit came to an end. You
know here, it came to anend. So can we like kind of
be like, yo, that's awesome. Yeah, anyway, Yeah, if

(31:30):
you want to in terms of credit, I you know, I love America.
They I'll give us credit here inthis one. In terms of how
long we were officially a country untilwe got rid of a slave of slavery
officially, that's a pretty short timeperiod because you know, England, I
think they got rid of slavery officiallybefore we did, but they had had
it for hundreds of years before that. You know, we had it for

(31:51):
what sixty eighty years officially, andthen we then we had had a big
old war about it. So yeah, highly contested issue, contentious issue,
but got it done. Yeah,got it done. Yepe handed the ending
slavery. There you go. Histeeth were made of wood two apparently.
Yeah right, we tall presidents.We like our tall guys. Dude,

(32:14):
that's why I could never be president. Yeah no, yeah, yeah,
it's yeah. If you look up, I think the shortest president ever was
like five eleven or something. Really, that's gotta be there's gonna be some
psychological truth to that in terms ofhow we viewed tall people generally. I
think I heard once we just projectpositive traits, leadership traits onto tall people,

(32:35):
whether they deserve it or not.They just happen to be born tall.
But we we like our tall people. We like somebody to look up
to. Yeah, it's yeah,it sucks, let's see. Yeah,
I think they're oh wait, theshortest James Madison was five to four five,
but he was also he was literallyyeah yeah, and he was right
at the beginning when like five fourwas like that's a healthy hype. Yeah

(32:58):
yeah, yeah, yeah, it'sa good pick at the time. What
do you like about Glory Cam?What do I like about Glory I like
the fact that I think just themessage it spreads. I think there is.
I think the military has often hada negative connotation about like, you
know groups, and everyone thinks like, oh, a lot of the military

(33:21):
is you know, more right leaning, so therefore they, you know,
are against pretty much the whole diversityinclusion thing. But I think it just
shows you, like it doesn't reallymatter how tall you are, how short
you are, what color your skinis, your sexual preferences and you know
this stuff. When there is awar that needs to be fought all you

(33:45):
can. You don't care about whatthat person does at home. You don't
care about, you know, thechoices they make. All you care about
is if they have your back andif you and if I and if I
have their back. So yeah,you just put everything, you strip everything
away and at its court it's abrotherhood. So like that's the whole thing
that I really love about Glory Andthat's like the biggest message that can come
out of it is like you havefree men that choose to fight against you

(34:12):
know, atrocity that they see intheir eyes, alongside other people that you
know may think differently from them orare differently from them, and it doesn't
matter, Like we all are readon the inside. Yeah, yeah,
no kidding, man. Yeah,it's a great message because even in the
midst of this they talk about theyshowed to the movie like they had pay
problems, they had surprise problems.And yet these all black regiments that throughout

(34:36):
history has been a couple of examplesWorld War One, world War Two,
where these all black units, yeah, will just totally clean house and they'll
totally tear it up with fewer resources. Yeah, just like so driven,
you know, and that and thatback during time periods. But it's easy
to argue that there was like systemicracism and there were laws that were against
them, you know, and andand yet they still stood up, you

(34:58):
know. And there was one blackveteran it says it was because the promisory
note of the Constitution, the promiseof the future that we will have all
you know, all equality and stuff. That's what they're fighting for, you
know, not the now. Yeah, yeah, because obviously it's demonishrable that
yet right now, Yeah, theydon't got it. And yet they still
stood up and decide to fight forAmerica. So that that's pretty cool.

(35:20):
World War one, Yeah, that'syour path. I pick. This was
a tough one because I feel likein more recent memory there have been a
lot of there's been this maybe justincrease of World War One movies and lore
or pop culture and and so Iguess you got to choose what your parameters

(35:42):
are when you are deciding, like, you know, if you only got
one shot to show somebody something fromWorld War One, and I think I
chose. The one I chose waslike The Human Costs, right, and
and again it's a personal story,something really kind of intimate, and it's
also just well done technically they didin one shot. But nineteen seventeen was

(36:05):
my pick. Yeah, that cameout not too long ago. And from
the director, I think of Americanbeauty Sam Mendez. He also did Yels,
I did some James Moond stuff.But yeah, it's totally It's it's
kind of like that generation. Ifthey're not all gone now, they very
soon will be. I think wegot a couple one hundred plus year olds
from that generation. But yeah,this crazy conflict World War One was weird

(36:30):
because I think it kind of startedout light and everyone kind of thought it
was gonna not gonna last that long, and then ended up going on for
years and years and years after thatand everybody's got caught up in it.
And then I think the seeds ofWorld War two were planted, like I,
like you said, in World WarOne, but nineteen seventeen, great
Sam Mendez tracking shots meant to belike a one shot the entire time without

(36:53):
any cuts. They got a coupleof years but really technically well done,
well acted, and uh and yeah, so it's you know, those guys
have got to send that message fromone to the other, and they got
that great tracking shot at the endwith the guys running to try to tell
him to stop the assault and they'realready assaulting. So he's like tripping in
guys and he's getting back up andhe's trying to run into the trenches to

(37:14):
stop everything from happening. But uh, it's cool, it's a it's a
it's one of those war movies thatinspires you. But it also shows the
human cost which which now as obviouslywell we talked about another another episode,
but the evolution of the war movieand how why war movies are made and
what the message is that they wantto get across in public perception of war

(37:36):
movies. I thought this struct agood balance. Yeah, no, that's
a That's a really good point,and we will talk about that on a
future future episode. There's foreshadowing,not really foreshadowing because we just told you,
but for telling, yeah, we'retelling, for telling you. I
chose all quiet on the Western Front. The new version the new version,

(37:58):
well just because I mean, samemessage from the old version to the new
version. The new version is justcinematically it is beautiful, but it's it's
interesting because I like, now I'mreflecting on I chose. I chose The
Patriot for the American Revolution for thereasons that it is a pro American movie.
It is pro you know, it'spro war, like a lot of

(38:21):
these movies that are are that arethat we're very fond of today are very
pro war movies. And it's greatbecause I don't know about you, I
love war. I like it.I like it. There's a place.
Yeah, there's a place for everything. But I also feel like there's sometimes
war is necessary in some situations,like how long are you going to deal

(38:43):
with something before you know, peopletake up arms about it. So I
feel like like the American Revolution was, in my opinion, a necessary war.
So then then you have all quiteon the Western Front with His which
is anything but a pro war movie. It is it's main message. You
know, it follows those Prussian soldiersand their life is just hell yeah.

(39:07):
Yeah, it's like nobody would careif they if they didn't come home,
like and then not to mention thesequences of war they go through. I
feel like World War One we startedto have these technological advances in weaponry,
but not in personal protective equipment.Yeah, so basically your death would be

(39:31):
absolutely brutal, but there's no realgood way to you know, prevent it
from happening. Like now we havehelmets, plates, you know, we
have up armored vehicles and yeah,like that's that's when we like the World
War One is when they started usingthe gas weapons and you know, and
that I couldn't even imagine that.And have you seen the pictures of the

(39:52):
gas masks from World War One?Yeah, they're pretty pitiful. Oh man,
there's no way they're like made oflike a can't like a as canvas
that just like there's no way theyproperly seal. Yeah, it's just you
know that that environment is just terrible. And then trench warfare in itself,
you're just constantly static. Some guysjust you know, if you make one

(40:15):
wrong step, you're dead. Peopletunneling trying the only really way to move
was to either it completely expose yourselfwithout cover, or to tunnel your way
through into another person's system. Itwas just a bad kind of bad time.
Were feeding thousands of men into themeat the meat grinder. Yeah literally,

(40:39):
you know, rats don't go hungrylike the rats were fat. Yeah.
So I think All Quite on theWestern Front is one of the best
representations of World War One just becauselike from from a tactic side, from
a from a humanity side, froma technology side, it was just an

(40:59):
awful war. Yep. Yeah,we were really even World War Two,
which we'll talk about next, wehad we had learned from World War One,
so there were advances in protective equipmentand tactics, but uh yeah,
World War One it was like thatfirst uh yeah, that first taste of
that true brutality and viciousness of ofof warfare, war technology. Yeah,

(41:22):
implementing chemical warfare, the invention oftanks, like yeah, man, yeah,
that one scene in All Quite inthe Western Front when the tanks are
advancing and they had like the flamethrowerscoming out of it. Yeah. Yeah,
imagine you're just stuck in your trenchand like your little puny bolt action
rifle isn't doing a damn thing.Yeah. They were massive, man,

(41:44):
they went big in World War One. These massively tracked vehicles kind of like
to get over the trenches and yeah, yeah, crazy running over anything and
everything. But yeah, so that'sWorld War One. World War two,
like you said, we learned alot. I got a lot of more
advances. But this World War Oneplan to the seed for World War Two.

(42:05):
Obviously, you know, we uhnow pretty much we can identify a
pretty a pretty evil entity that needsto be taken out, you know,
the access of evil, right right, Yeah, we have the Pacific Front,
the Europe. Yeah, we hadthe Pacific Front, we had the
European Front, and we had alot of pieces, a lot of historical
battles that came out of that thatsome really good pieces of pop culture,

(42:29):
uh were inspired from. So I'llstart out with my pick, if you
don't mind, I'm just gonna say, you know, we already I don't
know how many times we've talked aboutsaving Private Ryan on this podcast, So
I'm not even everybody knows that's thebest World War Two move that's ever been
made. I'm just gonna put itoff the side and just say that,
okay, my aliens, you know, yeah, it just needs to be

(42:49):
said. It doesn't need to besaid because I've said it so many times
exactly. So I picked Fury.I rewatched Fury. It's an amazing movie.
It's it's so well done. BradPitt does such a good job.
I'm a big Shilah buff fan asan actor acting. Yeah, yeah,
he's a really good actor as akiller cast Yeah, Michael Penya, Brad

(43:15):
Pitt, Shilah buff Uh Burn,what's his name? Burnt, Joe John
Burnhal and then the young guy.They're just they just do such an excellent
job of just showing a very seasonedtanker crew that have been through a lot.
There's I also appreciate the fact thatlike it incorporates, you know,

(43:37):
some storytelling from Africa, because youknow, we were there was a campaign
going on in Africa before we evenset put foot set put, yeah,
shout put. There was a campaigngoing on in Africa before we even step
foot in Europe, and tanks werelike the main thing. So I appreciate
that, like historical relevance. Imean Patton, when Patton was like everybody

(43:58):
knows General Patten was like the Tan, Like it was the famous pictures of
him all the ways on the tanks, and you know, that's what he
was. He was in Africa beforethey sent him to the European theater.
So I appreciate the little storytelling there, the uses of tanks, uh,
the uses of tanks, just howthey know that they were out gunned from

(44:19):
the German tanks because German tanks werejust yeah, they were way more advanced
the Germans just in general formidable opponent. They got the what is it,
the the fahir Macht or the warmachine. You know, they were pumping
them out. They were getting ready, they were getting ready for war before
anybody knew that they were getting readyfor war. Yeah, I mean,
I feel like they knew they weregonna be facing the world, you know.

(44:44):
Yeah, Like that's how freaking theyprioritize there, That's how they prioritize
their assets. Was like, well, we know we're gonna be at war
by ourselves, you know, oralmost by ourselves against the world, so
we're gonna start pumping out some stuff. So like yeah, they were there,
their tanks were faster, more durablethan ours, so like we're at

(45:05):
a clear disadvantage. But I thinkjust a storytelling of Fury just you can
see like the impact that the warhad on the crew, the impact the
war had on brad Pitt's character asthe n C as the n c O
I see, which is non commissionedofficer in charge of the tank crew.
Like that scene where they come back. They've lost a man in the beginning

(45:29):
and they are outfitting and they toldthe that that officer. They're like,
we're all that. They're like,where's the rest of the platoon. We're
like, we're all that's left.And he like tells the guys to you
know, he's still building characters.And then he goes off to the side
and nobody can see him, andthen he like breaks down and it's like,
dude, that's a very powerful scenebecause it's like from a leadership position,

(45:52):
you can't let the see you cannotlet the men see you like that.
You are their example, you aretheir motivation, you are the imp
fluence. Right, It's uh,what is the there's a there's an army
definition of leadership. It's to providepurpose, motivation to influence here what is
that. Let's see Army definition ofleadership. It's so funny. This is

(46:17):
fury. Is one of those exampleswhere it's totally it seems anti war,
but it's also it pumps you up, even if you see these guys are
totally affected and scarred mentally from thethings that they've been through, and yet
they've molded together into this dysfunctional family. And you see the young character get

(46:38):
Logan Luhrman. He gets inoculated andculcated into the life of this of this
tank family, and he ends up, you know, getting he ends up
getting that infected with that attitude andis like totally bloodthirsty at the end of
it and fighting for the tank tostay alive. You know. Yeah,
no, it's it's good here.It is the Army adp so FM Success

(47:02):
Winning two, which is the Army'sdoctrine on actual leadership. They have like
an entire manual. It's the processof influencing people by providing purpose, direction
and motivation to accomplish the mission,improve the organization. So like your role
as a leader is to literally bethe backbone of this crew. So if
you break down in front of themor you break, so will they That's

(47:24):
just it's just for a pick aboutLike World War Two. I think it
does a great job and incorporates infantrywith the tankers. It shows all the
elements. Yeah, it's Fury wasmy pick for World War Two. That's
a great pick man. I mean, I think my pick is pretty obvious
to anyone who's a big fan ofWorld War Two. World War two pop
culture, of which there is Ithink is probably the most history of World

(47:47):
War two pop culture. But Bandof Brothers, HBO miniseries takes the unit
from training all the way through tothe end of the war and it's and
it is a great It's that brotherhood, right, it's the bonds that you
create. It's a little like Fury, only they don't see as much as
the dysfunction, you know. Yeah, it's not so overtly, but they

(48:12):
are a band of brothers. Yeah, and you got the real guys too.
That's one thing I liked about that. Many series, they they'd start
each episode with an interview with somebodyand some guys. You could tell who
they were. They revealed it atthe end, but you could tell who
they were. Some of you couldn't, so you didn't know which guys you
were seeing, and some characters woulddie part way through the series. Yeah,
but that was my favorite part ofit, and some of the true

(48:32):
stories that came out of it,like Spears running through town to get communication
to the unit on the other sideof the town and the town's filled the
Germans. He run through town andthen he runs back through town again and
the Germans are just like watching himrun, like so confused, Like that
actually happened, like so great,great encapsulation of the brotherhood of war,

(48:54):
the bonds that come out of itin a time when yeah, like you
say, we were pretty united aboutwho the bad guys were, who the
good goes. Yeah you know,yeah, it was unanimous. Yeah.
Yeah, that's a great pick too. Man. Bandon Brothers is just one
of those series, like they hadthe Band of Brothers, they had the
Pacific and now they have Masters ofthe Air. Is like that. Steven

(49:14):
Spielberg, Tom Hanks, Triad ofWorld War Two Magic Yep. So yeah,
dude, great great picks or yeah, good picks. Let's move on
to Korea. We're running a littlelow on time, we are running a
little old, We're only up toKorea. Okay, I know we could
be a little more concise, Like, let's be concise, all right.
For me, I had I wasfighting between two. I think I'm just

(49:36):
gonna say two really quick, reallyquickly, because one's from American perspective,
ones from Korean. I think that'simportant, yes, because we haven't done
that yet. For me, it'san older movie. We've talked about it
in our Korean War pork Chop Hill. It's portrays American invasion or Korean War
American involvement. They're trying to takethis hill, uh, and obviously they're

(49:59):
under gun They've tried to do itin the past. And it's just really
well done for an older movie,Like the FX and everything are are just
really well done for the time.And then also the front line from twenty
eleven. It's from a Korean it'sa Korean movie, and I think,
you know, it just does areally good job of coming from an Americans

(50:19):
perspective, comparing how like Korean warmovies are made and shit's different. You
know, That's what I appreciate aboutit. Like if you think you're the
enemy you're fighting is the same asyou. Just they speak a different language
and they look a little different.So I think that's a really cool little
thing that or at least perspective thatI've established watching foreign films about like different
wars and different perspectives on it,or at least from their perspective. So

(50:43):
those are my choices for a goodKorean war movie. Korean war movie pick
is Taeguki. I've spoken of itoften and very highly. It's a Korean
film about the Korean War. Thebest thing about this film is that it
takes what I think is the essenceof the Korean War, which was the
tearing a part of a country intwo uh and the separation of families and

(51:06):
uh, you know by by politicaland military forces. Uh kind of Korea
about it kind of being caught inthe middle of the geopolitical upheaval at the
time, the Cold War, really, And it's about two brothers and one
ends up fighting for the North andone ends up fighting for the South,
and it's just about the kind oftragedy of that of Korea. Kind of
mean because Korea didn't always been wasn'talways North and South. It was Korean

(51:29):
and now you know, and souh so there's kind of a tragic,
sad movie made by Koreans. Souh yeah, really well done. That's
my Korean War pick. Okay,moving on Vietnam, going to Vietnam War.
A lot of picks here, Ithink, yeah, is is uh
is almost like comparatively speaking to WorldWar two in the pop culture eyes yep,

(51:51):
but it might the reason I pickedthe mine, which is Hamburger Hill.
We've talked about it. Yeah.Uh. In my opinion, one
of the most violent war movies I'veever seen. The entire movie is a
combat sequence. What seems like andit's not just like you know, we're
shooting, we're shooting, we're shooting. It's like, dude, people are
exploding like arms, and we failedto get up this hill. We come

(52:15):
down, we have a little dialogue, We try to go up the hill
again, come down, have alittle dialogue, and it's just these It's
the story of American unit trying totake this hill and just suffering massive casualties.
But apparently this hill's so worth dyingfor that they're going to continue to
try and take it, and tryand take it and try and take it.

(52:37):
Finally they take it, and thenit's useless. And then they're like,
Okay, we don't need this saleanymore. Yep. So it's just
the combat. I think in theyou know, the terms of Vietnam jungle
warfare right up in your face.That was it's watching it, I was
just like, oh my god.Some war movies are character driven, some
war movies are are storytelling. Thiswas just us. This, this is

(53:02):
something. That's why I threw iton there. I think there's really good
Vietnam War movies like Platoon that moretell a story about character development. But
I think to just represent war itself, Hamburger Hill was yeah, yeah,
I gotta go super patriotic with mine. We were soldiers. It's an earlier

(53:22):
Vietnam war film. It's I thinkit was the first major engagement between the
regular American Army and the regular vietCong, the Vietnamese Army. Major engagement,
true story, and more character driven. I would say, obviously pro
American, super patriotic. Mel Gibsonis he's pretty good at that. He's

(53:44):
a pretty proud American. Yeah,he loves America. Yeah, he loves
most of Americans. But we weresoldiers. Great. Yeah, I love
the It's it's a true story andyou think about them being surrounded and being
pushed upon by all sides, andthey still ended up counter attacking and ultimately

(54:05):
I think prevailing, but man withmajor losses. And so that that's my
pick for Vietnam. I know,there's a lot of stuff you can It
depends on what what story you wantto tell with whatever war you're talking about.
Vietnam. I feel like in popculture it's mostly this kind of down
morose, sad. It was useless, it was pointless, and uh,

(54:27):
you know, and and that's aconversation for another time. But we were
soldiers. It's about the brotherhood.It's about these these guys going over there
and fighting for each other. AndI think that's that's a good message.
And it's based on an actual engagement, which is pretty dramatic if you think
about it. Yeah, no,that's a good that's a good one.
Man. So where are we We'reat the Cold War. We're at the
Cold War. Let's we can dothis real quick because the Cold War,

(54:50):
obviously that's a name for a timeperiod that spans what thirty forty years,
Yeah, a couple of decades andnot a lot of action, just a
lot of espionage, just an intrigueyeah, yeah, things going on behind
closed doors, a hidden war ifyou will. Yeah, what do you
got for a quick pick? Mypick is war Games, classic eighties movie,

(55:10):
uh with Matthew Broderick again very youngMatthew Broderick, and it's just about
the in the eighties, it wasall about the fear of total annihilation,
mutual mass destruction. We all hadnuclear war, nuclear bombs. What are
we going to do if they pressthe button, then we're gonna press the
button and everyone's gonna die kind ofstuff. So yeah, great, that's

(55:30):
the kind of core message there.And if you haven't seen it, man,
you got to check it out.If you like eighties movies, it's
a classic. Yeah. For mypick, I went with Crimson Tide.
Submarines, Baby, that was theCold War, Yeah, called the sub
war because like you know, youhave all these strategically placed submarines that you
know, could not be identified.They are in remote locations, but they

(55:52):
were strategically placed in order to doprecision strikes on Russia, you know,
and pretty much you you have youhave a you have a group of men
nobody knows where they are, andthey just have one objective and you don't
know whether the machine that's giving themtheir mission is incorrect and their communications are

(56:13):
down and it's just up to theseguys to decide whether to push the button
or to wait. And there's aninternal struggle between some leadership on the boat
or on the sub. And it'sjust one of those movies that you like.
Okay, when I imagine the ColdWar, you think of like espionage,
and you I think of submarines becausethose guys were the ones that were
you know, it wasn't a landit's not a land invasion during the word

(56:36):
for it. This was concerned thatwe're going to get nukes sent at us,
and you know who's going to deliverthose nukes the subs. So yeah,
I chose Crimson Tid. It's agreat, great movie. Denzel Washington.
Yeah, Gene Hackman, that's aIt's just a real nail nail biter
of a movie. And I thinkit just does a really good job of,

(56:57):
you know, showing from a perspectiveof the actual people that were getting
action during the Cold War, orat least a story of what we would
lead like to believe what was happening. Yeah, two things I'll say about
that, just real quick before wemove on. There's a book called blind
Man's Bluff, which is about justwhat you're talking about. It's about all
the submarine actions that were going onall through the Cold War from the fifties,

(57:20):
sixties, and seventies and on intothe eighties. Really great if you
like war history. And then there'sa actually a true story about a Russian
guy that almost single handedly stopped WorldWar Three from starting because he got it
was like that, he got anorder to launch and he didn't trust it,
and so he went and double triplechecked with his superiors that this is

(57:40):
what was going on. They said, no, no, no, that
was a mistake. He's like,okay, you know, and I forget
what his name is, but Iwas like, oh, thank you,
random Russian officer who didn't thank youfor your serious random Russian guy. All
right, that's awesome. Persian GulfWar the precursor maybe not precursor Iraq War,

(58:02):
but Persian Golf War really quick lightningwar. Iraq invades Kuwait? Was
it? Yeah? And we goin there, we kick them out.
It was real quick, yep,super quick, super quick. Best representation
jar heady. You know, somepeople have problems with this movie. I
think it's one of the most accuratewar movies that's ever been depicted from a

(58:24):
soldier perspective. A lot of thesemore war movies glorify the combat, but
a lot of these war so manypeople didn't see any of that. You
know, these are they tell storiesof herorism, but what about stories of
what about the everyday stories? Andthat's what Jarhead is literally about. You
you train, you're being told you'regoing to do a specific task. You

(58:45):
know, that's what's on your mind. I love when they're about to invade
and they're all sitting they have themarine, either their major or whoever's in
charge of the battalion is like,give them the speech. It's like your
Marines, you're gonna go in there. You're gonna kill it. Everything,
it's gonna be good. And theend of the movie just comes and it's
just like, dude, we didn'tdo a damn thing. Yeah, never

(59:06):
fired his weapon, never fired hisweapon almost did. Yeah, but yep,
dude, great jar Head a lot. It's it's a great movie.
Yeah. Iraq War, uh,the one, the one that I was
deployed to, is not a lotof pop culture. I mean, there's
some there's some big names in there, none of which I wanted to pick

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for this one. My pick forthis one was American Sniper, just because
I I like the personal story ofthe sky and uh he you know,
obviously has multiple deployments. Uh anduh so I I I liked. I
liked that one. Chris Kyle,Yeah, Life of Chris, Mark Bradley
Cooper, great actor. Clean Eastwooddirected it. And say baby, fake

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baby, dude, fake baby.Oh watch the movie when they give birth.
It is literally a fake baby.You can tell it is said doll.
Yeah, that's funny. Well,he's a really good actor. Yeah,
I know that baby is an awesomeactor. Yeah, Americans Dire.
It's a good pick. Great storyabout Chris Kyle, gray Man. I
chose sand Castle. It's in Netflixoriginal film. It's a little bit of

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a newer one. It's about twothousand and three invasion of Iraq. A
couple of big army guys and itjust really shows the progression of like loss
of innocence. You have a brandnew private that shows up and he's on
deployment. You know, he justgets to Iraq and he starts and he
puts his hand in the door ofa humbye and just slams it on his
hand because he wants to go home. He doesn't want to be here.

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He's scared, you know, he'safraid of what he might face. And
then you kind of just see theprogression through events of him starting out as
this really innocent young man and bythe end of the movie his eyes you
could see in his eyes that something'sdifferent. And it's funny because the way
the movie starts, it's exactly howit ends, but it's a different person.
So I think it's good. Youknow, there might be it doesn't

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have that good of ratings, butwhen I want, I was thoroughly happy
with it. Yeah, there's andHenry Cavill's in it. And then also
the guy who plays Homelander from WhatIs It? Jeron Jeffree Star. Yeah,
Anthony Star, Anthony Jeffrey Star,I think is a gay man Anthony

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Star, isn't it too? Soyeah, they got some big name actors
in there. I think it's agood a good story. You got some
conventional side, you got some specialforces in there. So I like it
right on man, right on right. Afghanistan War so much, twenty years
worth, a lot of good contenders. I'm just going to go straight for
the beginning, which I think is, you know, when we had a

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strong focus, a clear mission,we knew what we wanted to do.
We just got attacked. In nineto eleven, we go into Afghanistan with
the Northern Alliance's twelve strong. It'sspecial Forces. Not too many Special Forces
Green Beret movies out there. Ithought this was the movie's the best.
I will admit it, but Iappreciate that it's about a specific unit,

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the Green Berets, and what theireffect was going into Afghanistan, how they
got their Northern Alliance together, howthey started pushing back against the Taliban,
and and uh, yeah, itwas at the beginning before we kind of,
I don't know, just kind ofstarted to decided to hang out for
twenty years. Yeah, that's it, man Strong, Okay, my pick
for Afghanistan easy pick for me.Tells story of an actual Medal of honor

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too Medal Vanner recipients. So it'slike it can't go wrong. And it
was made and written by people thatactually were at that outpost. We're at
part of that unit. We're talkingabout the outpost, you know. I
it's one of my favorite Afghanistan moviesjust because you know, the camaraderie's perfect.
Everything about the movie. You know, there's a little little inaccuracies in

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there as far as just like youknow, back blast areas, like small
things like that, but as faras the story and the message and the
feeling that it's communicated through the movie, that's it's good. It's yeah.
But yeah, So The Outpost isan easy pick for Afghanistan war for me,
that's a good one. Man.I almost changed my answer, but

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I like that one. Well.That is it, folks. That is
our That is our roundup of filmsthat we feel best encapsulate each individual conflict
that we were talking about today,kind of just American history. I'm sure
you if you're from another country,if you like war films about other countries,
you let us know in the commentssection. What do you think?
What do you think about these picks, and what other picks would you add

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into the conversation. Oh, there'stoo many. I mean there's obviously like
great not necessarily wars, but conflictslike black Hawk Down and Somalia Heartbreak Ridge,
which just told the story of GrenadaOperation Urgent Fury, just with the
wrong unit. They were recon marines, but the actual ones were rangers.
But yes, yeah, but thenand then you have Bosnia behind enemy Lines.

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That's a good one, a littleaction film and you got you know,
not expected actors playing people. Yeah. Owen Wilson Man his his one
foray into what's going down action here? Okay, I'm an American Air Force
pilot. Wow, look at allthe snow. Wow? What about you?
What are some audible mentions for you? Mentions? I mean, listen,

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Platoon and uh and like Apocalypse.Now. They're powerful films, but
uh, maybe I'm just like alittle too patriotic. I think there's a
little too much political bias from thefilmmakers at the time. They wanted to
say something about the war and thenalso wanted to input their own little political
perspective into it, which, hey, more power to them. I totally

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support that. I just don't wantto watch those films. Yeah, and
then and then War Machine, WarMachine. It's about It's about that mission
drift and how hard it is toget stuff done. Is it basically how
to how to run a country asa military leader? You know what I
mean? It's the somebody once said, you know, if you break it,
you own it, and we brokeAfghanistan and we really you know,

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there's a lot, it's a lotthat goes into trying to build them up.
Yeah, and then and then youjust kind of leave, you know
what. Yeah, okay, whatever, just pull out real fast and leave
a bunch of shit behind you getthere, screw it up, and then
continue to screw up all the wayon the way up. Yeah. But
okay, that's gonna do that episode. Let's play our game and then wrap
it up here, right, allright, So is the I have the

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game for you. It's time foran old class. It's time for an
old classic. My friend, twotruce and a line. I'm gonna give
you three facts about a war movieor TV show and you tell me if
it's true or a lie. Okay, all right, and it's gonna be
pretty quick. Just got three here, and we're gonna start out with Mash.
Everybody knows Mash. You know Mash, you love, So here we
go a Mash actor Jamie Farr.Actors Jamie Faarr and Alana Alda served in

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the military b The series was onfor eight years, even though the career
war only lasted three years. Onemonth and two days and See the series
finale is still the most watched episodeof television in American history. That's an
easy one. It actually has elevenseasons. I went on for eleven seasons.
I think it would be eleven years. Even though the conflict only went

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for three years, it went fora long time. It was one of
the most popular American shows of alltime. Wow, yeah, you got
that run on the dot. Yep, you identified that lie the series.
The show was on for eleven years. And fun fact, the series finale
being the most watched episode of televisionin American history. One hundred and twenty
one point six million people watched it. I'm looking forward to it, worrying

(01:06:38):
about season seven right now, workingour way through it. I was still
working on it. Yeah, allright, So moving on another great film.
Glory made on our list, Sostarting off a. The film's release
coincided with the one hundred and fiftiethanniversary of the real Battle of Fort Wagner's,
which was the battle from the endof the movie and b Civil War

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reenactors who took part in the filmdid so voluntarily without pay. And See.
The film won three Academy Awards,including Best Sporting Actor for Denzel Washington.
It sounds like b. I'm surethey did have Civil War reenactors participate,
but they probably paid them, SoI'm just gonna say, b ooh,
they did not take a dime allegedlyaccording to Chris. But the lie

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is actually the film's release coincided withone hundredth and fiftieth anniversary. That is
a lie because it was a releasedaround the one hundred and twenty sixth Anniversal
Wow Chris Wow, very like,Yeah, I loves to split the hairs.
All right, Well that's okay,man, Let's see if you can
get this last one. So numberthree, your honorable mention, platoon A.

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The cast spent six weeks in actualbootcamp to prepare for the movie b
to get in the character for thescene where everyone is really high. Everyone
got really high, and see CharlieSheen almost lost out on his role to
his brother Emilio Astabez. Huh,that's interesting, Charlie Sheen Amelia Astepez.

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Wait, Charlie Sheen and Emelio Estepezare they brothers? I thought he was.
Yeah, they are brothers. Okay, all right, I'm gonna say
it's the first one six weeks inboot camp because I don't know that anybody
spent time in boot camp. ButI don't know. I feel like nobody
there's nothing there that would maybe theboat people had to do some military stuff,
but Charlie Sheen was just like awinging it now. Yeah, now

(01:08:35):
you're right man, Yeah, thecast did not spend uh oh wait,
they spent two weeks in boot camp. Oh, but way to go with
your gut, because yeah, Ifeel like Charlie Sheen was just winging it.
Yeah, may can appreciate the seventies. Maybe moving in the seventies.
Of course they're gonna get high.Yeah, I was gonna say. I
was like, I do appreciate thatfact. I also think will Have Dafoe

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is one of the greatest actors ofour generation. So I was like,
of course he's going to get superhigh if he needs to be. Hah.
Yeah, but that's it, man, good job, way to finish
strong and that's going to do itfor the game. Oh, by the
way, let me correct myself.I was thinking when we were talking about
Platoon, I was still thinking ofApocalypse now. So well, it was
Martin Sheen, but Ameli Westvin CharlieSheen. Of course they're brothers. Of

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course they're brothers. Okay, Hey, you don't got to explain anything to
me. Man, you're always rightin my book. But folks, that's
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