Villainous Villains and Their Villainy

Bad guys. You love to hate them. You hate to love them. A good bad guy can make the good guy a better guy. A bad bad guy can make the good guys bad good guys. And the greatest bad guys make great good guys better than the best guy’s best friend’s guys. So today Izzy and Cam are rolling out their top 10 list of their picks for the greatest villains in pop culture. This is gonna be great… and by that we mean bad…which in this case…is good.

A dastardly game of "What Makes the Man?" puts the kibosh on this fun episode where things are ranked and everything is seemingly settled.

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Episode Transcript

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In time. In time, there'sa guy to follow to make it true.
Bad guys you love to hate them, you hate to love them.
A good bad guy can make thegood guy a better guy. A bad

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bad guy can make the good guysbad bad bad good guys, and the
greatest bad guys can make good great, great good guys better than the best
guy's best friend guys. So todaywe are rolling out our top ten list
for our picks for the greatest villainsin pop culture. This is going to
be great and but that I meanbad, which in this case is good.

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Today, folks, me and Cameronare doing it once again. We're
gonna bring you a list of tenvillains that we think are amazing, and
we will give the reasons why.We'll hash it out, and then when
we will present to you, we'llkind of put them on a list and
we'll rank them from ten all theway down to one all the way up
to who we think is the greatestvillain based on the criteria that we will

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lay out here for you. Obviously, you can slice it any number of
different ways. How let's let meask you this camera just generally speaking,
not thinking about the list quite yet, what makes a great villain. By
great you mean bad, and bybad you mean awesome. Right, exactly
what I mean. Okay, Justso I'm on the same page. You

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know, I think somebody that Ithink villains have a lot of the same
good character traits that the heroes have. You know, a lot of times
they're intellectual, they're strong, theyhave good drive, they have you know,
charisma, they have discipline, theyare all these great things, but

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it's directed in a direction that isn'tthat is more self directed at self interest
than the preservation of life. Soit's very interesting if you want to break
down a villain, it's like there'sone thing that you know makes somebody a
villain. You know, it's notnecessarily their character traits, but it's essentially
are they communal or are they selfguided? Like are they selfish or self

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less? Exactly? So I thinkthat's what that separates heroes and villains.
Because imagine if Superman, you know, was just worried about his own personal
interests, he'd now be a villain. If he only wanted to do what
he wanted to do and not helpanybody, he would be considered a villain
now, like a very big threatto humanity, which in all in all,

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you know, all things aside,he is considered a threat. You
know. That's why a man ofsteel, like the military is there and
he's like, you got to turnitself in, man, like you are
a threat. But then they're like, you know, the second, like
he could turn on us at anysecond, and that's what they keep saying
over and over, like he canturn on It's only second, so it
only takes for him to decide,like I'm gonna be a god and kill

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all these people because I can't.Yeah, that's kind of well, he's
kind of like I mean, heis. If you turned into that,
he would basically be Homelander, rightexactly. Yeah, yeah, Homeland.
What would happen if Superman didn't havekind of good old fashioned hometown Kansas values,
you know, like American values?You know, yeah, what if
it was just a piece of shit? You know That's yeah, that's exactly

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it. So I think that's whatmakes a good villain is motivation. I
think, not necessarily their powers orwhatnot. Because we've seen great villains in
pop culture that like, you knowthat are normal people that just don't have
superpowers yep, but their motivations areextremely vile and they just they're Yeah,
they're bad motivations. What do youthink makes a good villain great villain?

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Yeah, it's it's it's it's true, man, he he usually is.
Well, there's the saying each filmis only as good as his as its
villain. That's a Roger Ebert quote. So each hero is only as good
as the villain that's against him.Usually there a lot of times they're the
opposite of the hero in some way. Right, this is very what is
it unbreakable kind of mister Glass typeof thing. Uh, what's his name?

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Can be? You know, DavidDunn is unbreakable and mister Glass is
very fragile, but he's you know, he's intellectually superior. So David Dunn
has his physical strengths, but misterGlass has his intellectual strengths. Or yeah,
so it's it's they usually they embodysome kind of Yeah, they can

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be embody some sort of negative aspect, like you say, like complete and
utter selfishness or greed, or theycan also like what you know, one
of the guys that will have onour list today Thanos. There's the whole
hashtag. Thanos was right kind ofthing where, yeah, he had this
for the universe where he wanted balanceand he wanted there to be abundance of
resources, and so what does thatmean for him, Well, let's just

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kill every half of everybody living beingin the in the universe and then there
will be enough for everybody and everythingwill be perfectly balanced. It's like it
sounds like a noble idea at first, but the way he's going about it
is totally cruel and kind of genocidalin nature, you know. So,
I think good villains a lot oftimes are a character maybe that started out

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good and then was corrupted by somethingsome part some of their ideals were corrupted,
you know, like Darth Vader,which we have on our list,
he started out with with the desireto do good and to spread peace or
to really to save his wife,and then he became corrupted by Palpatine and
and and kind of gave into thedark side. So yeah, and uh,

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also sometimes sometimes they embody a universalaspect, like the the universal aspect
of pure evil, which is maybeyou know, like Gannon. You know
what we got was it calamity Gannon? We got Kefkhan. Here, I

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think Sephyroth falls into that mold.It's just like we their their anti life,
right, their anti freedom, They'reanti you know, sometimes it could
be anti individualism. Maybe, Idon't know, that could go either way.
It's not necessarily bad or good,but those can be taken too far.
So yeah, stuff like that.I don't know if that answer.
That's kind of a long way windedway of answering your question. What makes

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a great villain, you know,if he's if he is if he causes
the hero to grow to his ultimateself, Like the hero has to grow
to their ultimate and final form,if you will, their final greatest self
in order to overcome the villain.That means it was a good villain,

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right, They pushed the hero totheir limits in order so that the hero
can overcome. So maybe that's anotherway of putting it. Yeah, is
that like the whole Batman and Jokerfanasco like they need each other. Yeah,
there's other kind of like the eternalstruggle between good and evil. I
think that's kind of what Joker.Joker tries to push Batman, especially in
the Dark Knight. He tries topush him to break the principles that define

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who Batman is, and so he'sgonna do everything that Batman never would like.
He's chaos and he's you know,selfishness, and he's unpredictability, and
he he'll kill anybody at a whim. And Batman is very controlled and he
has a code that he lives by, so the Joker will always try to
make Batman break his code in thatparticular incarnation. So I know, dude,

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batflack Man, he just kills peopleleft and right, so he doesn't
have that right right. Yeah,I love that version. Yeah, it's
good. It's what Batman should be. But anyways, I mean, speaking
of villains, let's kind of introducethe villains that we have on our list
and then we can maybe you know, talk about our personal favorites and picks

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out of this list and maybe seeif we have some bias here. But
I don't know, I kind ofwant to introduce our players in this ranked
in this rank because I feel likethis ranked format is is a really fun
one. We have a lot offun with this one. So let's introduce
the players and you know, andwe'll we'll see if we have a most
hated out of this group and movefrom there. So you go introduce first

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one because I honestly have no ideawho this guy is. Okay, so
yeah, the first one on ourlist in no particular order. Ozzy Mandy's
from Ozzy Mandy is from The Watchman, and in the world of the Watchmen,
he starts off as one of theWatchmen, one of the superheroes that
tries that is trying to do good. He's a he's very tony Stark.

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He's he's very rich. He's anentrepreneurial type person. Owns a giant was
it vite Korp or something like that. He doesn't. His power is in
his intellect. Basically, he's he'sa super genius. He I think he
might even be like an inventor andstuff. But what brings him into what

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is it? Yeah? His ultimateability is is his ability to scheme and
to plan. And in the Watchmanseries, he uh, will just take
the movies. The book is slightlydifferent, but in the movie The Watchman,
he creates this ultimate plan to unitehumanity because in this fictional world,
humanity is on the brink of nuclearwar with Russia and Cuba and all the

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kind of the cold Cold War kindof era, and so he brings about
this plan to unite humanity by givingthem a common foe, and so he
causes this huge explosion in New Yorkand then basically blames it on Doctor Manhattan
and and and so the whole worldturns against Doctor Manhattan because Doctor Manhattan is

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the only one that actually has actualsuperhero superpowers. If you've got that kind
of Batman type characters or uh,you know, Batgirl type characters, but
nobody really that you know, haspowers. He's the only one that does.
So Ozy Mandes takes you know,creates this this bomb or whatever that
gives off the energy signature of DoctorManhattan and blows up Manhattan in New York

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and and kills all these people.But what it does is it causes the
the leaders of the world to uniteand come together in peace. And so,
uh, you know, he andthey know, and they can't.
They try to stop, and theyfind out what his plan is, all
the all the other characters in thein the movie, and they try to
stop, and they can't do it, and he he ultimately wins, and
technically he wins. Now there's alittle bit at the end of the movie

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where Rorshak has been chronicling his hisall his stuff, you know, the
whole investigation, which in essence leadsto Ozymandias as the center of the explosion
or the guy who perpetrated it.And that was kind of like put into
the mailbox of some kind of uhlike super political kind of publication that you

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know, presumably would print it outlater. Butt Ozi Mandias, he is.
He's the personification of the type ofvillain that uses his mind to overcome,
you know, overcome his enemies orwhatever, as opposed to physically just
like punching him out and physically beatinghim. You know, like he would
be a match for anybody like Batmanor anything like that. So, okay,

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he's just smart. He's a supersmart guy. Yeah, he's just
super smart. And that that agood villain that can plan out, you
know, whatever other kind of supernaturalpowers other people might have. If he
has enough information, he's going tobe a worthy adversary. Yeah, absolutely,
unless he's up against Sauron, whichis next on our list from Lord

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of the Rings. Needs no introduction. If you have watched Lord of the
Rings, you know that Middle Earthis constantly under the palm of Lord Suron,
who actually isn't the biggest villain inthe Lord of the Ring. No
I thought about that as I puthim on their list. Yeah, no,
Soauran is actually just a lieutenant,you know, which is crazy to

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think because more Goth is essentially thebig batty in in the Lord of the
Rings lor because like you know,obviously this is a struggle for Middle Earth,
but the story that you if you'veever read the Simarillion, then you
know there's a lot more than justMiddle Earth. So but we're gonna stick

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with the you know, the battiethat everybody knows in Lord of the Ring,
which is sour On, super powerfulguy. He is a sorcerer,
so he has a lot of hecan change forms, he can change shape,
but he's ultimately known for his extremelysharp looking suit of armor with that
giant mace that you've seen him inlike the original Fellowship of the of the

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Rings during the battle in the beginningwhen they you know, obviously man establishes
and gets the Ring. So onour list because he's pretty bad, pretty
bad dude. In this case,He's great, he's influential, his his
dark influence reaches out and he's gothis lieutenants the Dark Riders. And then

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the Ring, of course is alwaysyou know, it's an instrument of evil.
It can really it can be acorrupting power. And he fooled everybody
into taking the rings, and thenhe had one ring to rule them all
absolutely. So who's next next onour list is Kefka from Final Fantasy six.

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It was originally Final Fantasy three whenit was initially released on the Super
Nintendo of the US, but inorder of the total Final Fantasy is it's
Final Fantasy six. Kefka is themain villain of the of the game.
He starts off as kind of oneof the higher lieutenants of the Emperor.
I think the Gestalt Empire or somethinglike that. Gestalt. Yeah, you

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guys have to correct me on thatone. But he's super look weird looking.
You'll see in the little picture we'vegot he looks like a freaking clown.
He's very colorfully outfitted, and he'sinsane. He is in his final
form, he is like what ifthe Joker had Souron's powers or Thanos's powers.

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You know. What he does ishe manipulates the Emperor into collecting espers,
which are these magical creatures that havedifferent powers, and he breaks open
a rift into the Esper homeworld andstarts taking them all and basically he I
forget how he does it, buthe usurps that he kills the Emperor and

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he takes in all their power forhimself, and he turns himself into this
angel like, angelic like powerful bringing. He basically breaks the world. If
you've never played Final Fantasy six andyou're a Final Fantasy fan, you gotta
go back. It's one of thebest Final Fantasies out there in my opinion.
But there's one half of the gamewhere the world is kind of normal,
and then there's the second half ofthe game where the world is broken

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and he does that, and soyou ultimately have to build up all of
your character to get to the pointwhere you're powerful enough to attack him.
And there's a there's a giant Ithink the last battle, there's four layers
to him. He's this giant beingthat you slowly rise up and every time
you beat a layer, you goto the next one. And so Kefka's
in terms of his danger, he'sjust obscenely powerful, very very powerful,

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and he's also totally insane. Sothat's Kefka from Final Fantasy six. Okay,
well that's cool. Okay, yeah, not familiar with Kefka, but
if it's a clown, if soreon powers in a clown makeup, that
sounds pretty intimidating. Next, wehave probably one of the biggest villains,

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and we'll go through this list quickbecause we are or we should just jump
into this, but we have Fanosfrom The Avengers, which needs no backstory.
If you're alive today, you probablyknow Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet.
We also have Sephiroth from Final Fantasyseven. Uh makes numerous appearances also in

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this super Smash Bros World as aplayable fighter, so it has a big
oh yeah he's introduced and people wholost their mind. Wow. So you
don't have to fill me in onkind of his powers though. Is the
Sepharroth for all these folks, theones that were looking at today trying to
rank them in our list. I'mthinking to the final form of each of
these because Sephroth started out as asoldier thinking the Nogar Army, and I

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am actually not all that I thinkhe's a powerful film, but I'm not
all that interested in He's not allthat interesting to me because he kind of
just power hungry. He's very mysteriousin a very Japanese storytelling sort of way.
He has a connection with cloud Streife, the main character of the of
the game, and he just goesand he I forget what he does.

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There's some sort of earth essence,you know, Materia is kind of the
thing. It's it's power powerful.That's how you get your powers in the
game. But he there's some lackbytrary. He absorbs it or he's going after
it. There's ancient powers that hebasically kind of like Kefka style, absorbs
it and becomes this great powerful beingthat he's the final boss basically in the

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game. And so that's that's kindof his thing. He deserves to be
on here because of his power leveland his and his he's kind of one
of those personifications of pure evil kindof things. Is total greediness. He
wants to destroy the earth and remakeit in his own image. He wants
total death and destruction. So prettybaseline bad guy motivations, but all ultimately

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becomes super powerful. So that's sephRoth from Final Fantasy seven. Okay,
good awesome introduction to a key playerhere. Now the rest of these characters,
most of them you all should befamiliar with. We have Darth Vader
from Star Wars. Obviously, ifyou can't talk about, you know,
awesome villains. In this case,awesome means bad, which bad means good.

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Darth Vader cannot be not included.We also have Lord Voldemort from the
Harry Potter, a very big battyand iconic him in Yeah him and Yeah
Daughter Fate or iconic guys. Yeah. So I'm very intrigued to see how
they they go up against the restof these guys, or how can we
kind of spin spin it to seeyou or who's who's gonna ran on top.

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One of my favorite guys, youknow, might not be as known
because there's been a lot of expansionssince his days, but Arthast King Arthas
also known as the Lych King fromthe World of Warcraft franchise. This dude
is a very big batty. Hepretty much controls the undead. He's he's
able to spread spread plagues across theland that kill and then reanimate and now

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you are a mindless servant to conducthis will. So he's just obviously has
an incredible amount of power, buthe can be defeated and he has been.
Uh so we also have Calamity Gannon, which why don't you explain this
one because I know Gannon Dworff ishow I knew him, But then you

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said he was Ganon, so I'llkind of explain the differences between them.
Yeah, Ganandorf is our Calamity Gannonis from Breath of the Wild, and
I haven't played Tiers of the Kingdom, but I think he takes a more
physical form in Tiers of the Kingdom. But obviously Gannon Ganendorf is the eternal
enemy of Hirol, and I thinkCalamity Gannon was an answer to It's like

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his primal evil essence that has existedthroughout the beginning of this world. You
know where Hirole is, and soGanendorf and Gannon our physical manifestations throughout time,
you know, to fight eternally againstZelda and Link. But so Calamity
Agaan is more. You look atthe pictures and he's it's like a formed

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energy being. In the beginning ofthe game, he's wrapped around the castle
in kind of a dragon type form, and then he has taken over the
Divine Beings, the Divine Beasts thatare meant originally to protect the Kingdom of
Hirol, but then he corrupts themand takes them over. So it's kind
of like his energy essence, thiskind of dark, reddish, purplish kind
of evil essence, primordial essence thatthen takes physical form. And I actually

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appreciate how the developers of the Legendof Adolos series have found new and interesting
ways of explaining how the same villaincould show up all these different times and
can you know, keeps getting defeated, he keeps having different forms, and
so it's this kind of it's it'sthe classic eternal struggle between good and evil,
which is a great classic storytelling tropeand one that I think he embodies

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pretty well. So Calamity Gannon isour number nine. Okay, yeah,
he looks like a bad dude,yep, all right. And then finally,
probably one of the most powerful villainsthat we have on this list,
Adolf Hitler. YEA, you knowit's true. Fo, Yeah, you
know it's true. Why don't youexplain the logic here? Because there is

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no being on this in this inany of the multiverses, or on this
plane of Earth more evil than Hitler. Because if you want somebody, if
you want to call somebody the worst, the worst name ever, the worst
thing you can do is call himHitler. It's reductio ad hilarium. It's
in an argument. If you wantto go down to if you want to

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call somebody the worst thing ever,you just call him Hitler. So he
had to be He's our he's ourringer in this, in this been portrayed
in pop culture. He's a character. He's video games, movies, books,
over and hour again, one ofhistory's histories worst guys ever. Yeah,

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you don't, you don't call,you don't hear people arguing, and
then so you're just like Paul potor you're just like Nero or whatever some
bad dudes in history. Nobody getsmore recognition, nobody is. It's almost
kind of weird how how popular heis. Yeah, with with the kind
of person that he was and whathe portrayed, it's almost it's almost a

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little weird. It's like, oh, yeah, everybody knows who Hitler is.
He's yeah, it's like in theworst way. Yeah, it's like
talk about legacy, right, ifwe really wanted, if it was that
evil, like why we would justlet him die. Yeah, let him,
let him be consigned to the trashheap of history. Yeah, you
know, but here he is amongamong the greats of Yeah, it's like,

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you know, Jimmy Hendrix, Yeah, Adolf Hitler. You know,
there's Jesus Christ in pop terms ofpopularity. Yeah, there's Hitler, like
right behind the world known, youknow, right there on the same line.
Okay, but folks, you guys, you guys know the deal about
how this works. So now thatwe've talked about our list of ten batties,

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we are going to rank them andis He if you want to pull
up the screen and folks, thisis a little bit more reason for you
to join us on our YouTube pagebecause we have a visual aid. Is
He has you know, organized alittle nice ranked with pictures of every single
person. There's a nice picture ofAdolf Hitler is smiling. So that's great.

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And uh so, if you wantto follow along on our YouTube it
might, you know, it mightbehoove you to give you a little bit
more entertainment. But if not that, it's perfectly okay. We will try
to do our best to explain exactlywhat's happening. So out of this,
you know, out of these villains, is he just you know, taking
a look out of all ten,who do you think is the worst?

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I mean you mean like who's goingto take the number ten spot or the
number one? No? No,no, I just who do you think
is? Oh? That's I'm sorry, you got We're gonna find a term,
you mean, the best, worst, the worst? Which is the
best which means they're bad in thiscase is great? Uh? I mean
just looking at this, who doyou think is the baddest villain of all
time? Who do you think isnumber one on this list of being bad?

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Okay? So why what? Howare we defining bad? But we
got we got lovings of devastation?Right, That's what I'm trying to figure
out, because we got to defineour terms. Who could cause the most
chaos, the most chaos or whohas maybe there was a single evil act
you know that they perpetrated upon youknow, whatever population, What their motivation

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was? Yeah, like you needa real bad reason. I mean you
need it has to be like,I think, a heinous act, like
most evil motivation, the biggest hate, Like who has the most amount of
hate in their heart? Let itout? Yeah, who's gonna let their
hate really come out. And uhand by the way, it just just

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just disclaimer obviously, Uh, weknow that Hayeolf Hitler is an actual historical
figure, but let's just kind oflet that go for now. Let's see,
man, I'm telling you, Ifeel like, Okay, so thanos
and artists, I feel like theythey're like Thanos, have some sort of
like reason that that makes it harderto hate him. Right, Yeah,

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got this seemingly altrusic, seemingly noble, Okay, he wants balance. And
then Arthur's wasn't he corrupted? Didn'the used? Yeah, he used to
be good. Okay, he wascorrupted. Yeah, and then Darth Vader,
same kind of thing. He startedgood, he had good motives,
but then he was corrupted. SoI'm I'm looking at in terms of evil
evil, I'm looking at Hitler Gannonand uh Hitler Gannon and Kefka because they

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Kefka I think probably maybe the worstin terms because he loves to be evil
like he is like Joker. Heloves chaos. He wants all power for
himself, and he goes to theextent of breaking the world and essentially destroying
you know, everything is different afterhe you know, and he gets godlike

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powers and that's it, like,and he loves it, and he loves
it so much that there's you know, it's like sephar Off. Yeah,
he wants power, but he hassome sort of like plan. He wants
to remake the world in his image. He wants to destroy life so he
could be a ruler. That's atleast like a like a plan. Kefka
has a plan too, and heloves it like he's just having a good

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old time. I would put maybemaybe Hitler in that same one. Calamity
Gannon baseline evil, right, it'sthe essence of evil, and then he
personifies himself in different eras, buthe's like kind of like the essence of
evil, you know. And sofor me, I'm looking at Kefka as

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because I think because he enjoys itthe most, he enjoys his evil,
and to me, that puts himway like what he loves like he like
he loves his job, yea,his job, and that's like, you
know, that's there's one thing tohave internal conflict or to come from a
corrupted background and then to be turnedinto evil or whatever. Maybe Voldemort a

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little bit too, because I feellike he's always wasn't he a student or
whatever. Yeah, he was likea wizard. No, boltemort was.
Yeah, it was a he wasa student at Hogwarts and he wanted to
protect the magical world. He wantedto rule the Muggles with the magical world.
So, no, he wanted tohe thought they were I believe he
didn't want the Muggles like he's like, we're better than them. Yeah,

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he wanted to rule over them,didn't he. Yeah, he wanted to
rule over He's like we are godspretty much so, but yeah, they
wanted balance. Everybody else wanted balance. And I'm sure there's more reason to
it than that, but that's asfar as I understand, where like Won't
just hates humanity, normal humanity andwants to rule over them, but everybody
else is like, we're proponent ofbalance. Like they have their world,
we have ours, uh, andwe should keep it that way. I

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mean not to say that he's notan extremely powerful individual, but like he
can be killed, you know,but he does have those, uh,
the hull croxes. So he's splithis soul into numerous hull croxes around the
world, which are pretty much personalpossessions or items that he cared about deeply,

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and he split his soul into eachone of them. So technically,
to kill him, you need todestroy all the whole Croxes and you have
to locate them and find them rightright, So that's a little bit of
a you know, that's a doozythat you know you would have to do
that. Yeah, but interesting,But like, you know that he's pretty
powerful. Arthus, you know,kind of did the unthinkable. He was

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so the Lych King is like aseparate entity, so that's its own kind
of thing. But then Arthus endedup, you know, destroying his own
He used to be a paladin andthen he murdered his own his own father,
and then joined and then basically theprevious Lych King, Norzul, was

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able to kind of trick him topick up his sword frost Morn, and
pretty much the magic that was embeddedin Frostmore and like corrupted him and made
him into the lich King. Andthen yeah, so that wasn't cool.
But he's very powerful, But thatdoesn't mean he's you know, cannot be
defeated. He obviously has a lotof power. He's got a lot of

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minions. I think that's like thebiggest thing is like he literally controls an
entire army of scourge. Like Suron, he influences evil, he influences the
spreads it through his influence and causesthings. Yeah, I would say the
lich King and Souron are like same, same but different. But like sourn
is more like fiery, you know, he's kind of like fiery magic.

(29:41):
And then like Arthus is more likefrost like, so they would probably be
like a stalemate of each other.I got a number ten, Okay,
send it, Because there are alot of all these villains, I think,
or most of these villains have anintellectual opponent to what they do.

(30:02):
And Ozzye Mandy is that is hismain thing. Right, He's a schemer,
he's a planner, he's super intelligent. Right, he's a genius.
Yeah, and he you know,he knows how to how to manipulate the
capitalistic system and all that kind ofstuff politicians and whatnot. But uh,
other, I would say, otherpeople on this list, other villains on
this list, to what it tosome extent, have that kind of intellectual

(30:26):
component, but also they have farreaching powers. I think power is going
to play a big component in ourlist. So I would say, Ozzy
Mandy is probably the first the numberten in our in our list, if
you yeah, no, I wouldagree. Man. It's like he's super
smart and that might help him.But for the bad picture by the way,
folks, I couldn't get a goodone to say. I mean anyway,

(30:48):
he just you know, being smart'sgreat and all, but like on
the streets, what is that gonnado? You know? You know,
being smart isn't isn't a shed froma gun? Yeah? Or or or
esper powers or calamity gannon type powers, you know, yeah, or like
yeah, go ahead, I don'tknow. I mean, yeah, he

(31:11):
doesn't have any I mean, whatif it was okay, what if it
was Adolf Hitler turns a corner,sees out of me, sees this dude,
and he's just like, what's up? And he's just like you want
to go? Man, He's like, brick, bring it on whatever.
He sounds like, let's just callyeah, let's just go, let's let's

(31:33):
fight. I'll kick your ass.What are you Jewish? Yeah? Yeah?
Yeah, Actually maybe I think maybeAdolf Hitler gets the ten spot on
here because Ozzy Mannis was is definitelysmarter than Adolf Hitler. Yeah, like,
because Adolf Hitler he has lots ofadvisors and he wouldn't have lost the
war. Yeah, I would havelost the war. Yeah, so maybe

(31:55):
Hitler gets the ten spot. Yeah, you know, Okay, let's just
condemn Adolf Hitler. For all thosepeople out there, we do not like
Adolf Hitler. If you have evenan inkling of thought that that's why he,
like, we want to talk aboutit. He's the least bad out
of the group. Yeah, Idon't think you know as well enough if
yeah, you haven't been listening tothis podcast, if you think, if

(32:16):
you think any and if you alreadythink that, well then you probably already
thought that before, you know.Yeah, I mean compared to all these
villains you know that are supernaturally giftedand have all these you know, some
have super strength, some have armiesthat have conquered entire regions, not just
you know, Poland in the windor tried to you know, not just

(32:36):
Poland. Yeah, it's an insultthat he's number ten on this, you
know, because you can't even stackup against fictional characters exactly. But we
had to do it just because itmakes the most sense. So sorry,
you know, all the people thatare like Adolf's number one, Adolf Hitler
would not be the lich King ina fight. Let's be honest. Okay,
now that we've established that, Yeah, number ten and then number nine,

(32:57):
I will agree that, yeah,Osmandy is compared to everybody else,
Like being smart's cool, but likeDarth Vader bursting your door, you know
you're not, he's not gonna domuch. He's just gonna be yeah,
yeah, maybe morehand Yeah, thenhe's not. Yeah, he's done.
Yeah, he's a strategist, youknow, he's he's gonna Yeah, it's

(33:17):
not gonna work, but you knowyou can power through strategy. Okay,
all right, so number eight,let's see who do you think would get
I got the number eight numbers wrong. Sorry, that's that's a seven six.
There you go, Okay, eightand seven. Okay, Now power

(33:37):
is starting to become more of acomponent, right, Yeah, it's not
the only component. But I'm lookingat Sephroth and darth Vader. I'm looking
at Voldemart and Darth Vader and Cephroth, I you know, the like I'm

(33:58):
looking at Salah Kefka and Calamity Gannon. I'm like stacking up, like who
who lines up in terms of thekinds of power and influence that they have
and the kinds of acts that theyhave perpetrated. You know. Yeah,
so it's like okay, well,it's like, okay, Thanos, what
are the Is there any limitations ofhis Infinity Gauntlet? Well, the thing

(34:20):
with Thanos is that he has allthe infinite versions of these powers like mind,
power, time, reality, right, but he has to focus his
ability. He has to focus himselfto make individual things happen, you know
what I mean. And so he'snot omniscient, right he does. He's

(34:42):
not all knowing, he's not omnipresent, He's not everywhere at once. He
may be omnipotent in terms of thepower that he can command, but he's
got to, like when he's fightingthe Avengers on the planet, he's got
to pull that moon out of orbit, you know, He's got to focus
himself in different ways to you differentaspects of the Gauntlet. So I love
the whole what If what If Ultronone episode and season one of What If

(35:07):
on Disney there's a part where Ultron'sthere in the in the form of vision,
but he's Ultron and he goes tolike Thanos walks out of his little
portal. He's kind of looking around, and Vision just slices him in half
with his mindstone laser. He's like, oh yeah, takes the I'm like,
oh okay, well that that tome. You know, if you
don't have some sort of extra sensoryperception like the force like Darth Vader would

(35:30):
have, that's going to be adisadvantage. Because you are a physical being,
you do have power at your command. You got to focus that power,
So that would be a drawback forThanos in my opinion. Yeah.
Plus, you know, we've seenthe limitations of the infinity to go with
it, Like when he snaps hisfinger, he eliminates half of life on
Earth or everywhere everywhere, everywhere,everywhere, everywhere. Yeah, but that's

(35:52):
one time thing, you know.Well yeah, and I think he got
rid of the stones afterwards. Helike it really took a lot of power
to do that, which is killedTony Stark in the end. Yeah,
so and then he pretty much likehe lost his arm, right, he
like lost most of his body becausein the you know, an endgame,

(36:13):
when they go find him, he'slike on a farm and he's pretty much
useless. Yeah, his one armis yeah, he's very weak, and
his one arm has just been totallycharred to nothing. You know. Yeah,
that happened when he destroyed the stones, not when he snapped right after.
I think, so yeah, okay, yeah, okay, so wait,
never mind then, because I takethat back, because if he snapped,
then nothing happened. That's pretty brutal. And then but then he tried

(36:36):
destroyed the stones because he achieved whathe's doing, right, He's like,
I don't want anybody to be ableto undo what I did. Or well,
yeah, he's like, once Idid what I wanted with the stones,
they had no more purpose, soI destroyed them and it almost came
Yeah, I got you. Ohman, that's a that's a hard contender.

(36:58):
I think we'll put I mean stepokay, number eight. What about
Sepharov? Well, Sepharov, itdepends on what form we're talking about.
If we're just talking about his humanfor him self, he's got magical powers.
He's a great swordsman, he's veryfast, but in his final form,
he's up there with Kefka in hisfinal form or Calamity Gannon in his
final form. Right, He've gotsuper enormously powerful manifestations, you know,

(37:22):
like the angel looking thing, yeah, the angel looking thing, the one
winged angel. And then Kefka's kindof the same in the same power category.
So when power becomes that much moreimportant, he gets up there with
Calamity Ganone, you know, Kefkaand maybe even Sourn. I feel like

(37:42):
Sourn. Okay, let me saythat Sarn's power in his eyeball days,
his fiery aalbu is through his evilinfluence, right yeah, and his corrupting
power, but his physical power comesfrom the armies and the legions that he
is is is manifesting now unless hecould like influence anybody that wanted power that

(38:07):
knew about the Ring, Darth Vaderor Bolder, I thought were I thought,
we're doing this from them at theirbest, like we did at the
the uldimate. So technically, Souronat his best was when he had the
ring. Okay, Okay, waswhen he had the Okay, yeah,
let's do that. So his physicalmanifestation, yes, okay, Then again
he was defeated by one guy witha magic sword, right yeah, So

(38:29):
what that ring is really the sourceof his power? If anybody in this
kind of lineup knew that, andthey were able to slice his finger off,
then then he'd be pretty he'd beout, you know, he'd have
his legions of army. But youknow, but then anybody could kind of
take a laser and zap those orcertainly Darth Vader could burst his way through

(38:49):
you know. Plus guys, Sournwas actually defeated before then too, if
I want to get super nerdy here. Yeah, so Sourn was fed by
somebody named Juan, who was awoman. So uh and so it was
basically, uh, Luthian and JuanLuthian was was a ginormous dog pretty much.

(39:16):
Yeah, so that served Uh,I hope I don't butcher this,
but pretty much Luthian and Juan werethey were elves, and Juan was like
this giant sheep dog that like wason the good side right one time.
They Uh, I'm totally gonna butcherthis. I know. I know that
I listened to the cimmarillion. I'veI've listened to the entire simbarillion, and

(39:39):
this was one of the stories prettymuch. Yeah, So basically Juan and
Luthian and Luthian was a badass.You know, like a lot of stories
about these two iconic characters. Uh, and pretty much like defeating Morgoth even
which is a big, big battieand essentially like Saren was defeated in battle
when they launched an new attack,so they pretty much they're escaping from Seligram

(40:05):
and Cariffean and they launch a newattack on the werewolf occupied stronghold of toll
In Groth and a battle of Souron'sforces. So basically, one by one,
these ginormous like beasts come out ofthis come out of Tolline Groth,
and like Luthian and huanh just kicktheir asses and then finally Souron comes out.

(40:28):
He defeats them one by one byone by one, they all come
out, and then Souron comes outand takes the form of like a dire
wolf, I think, either adire wolf or like this very disgusting beast,
and this dog literally beats the shitout of him and defeats him right
then and there. So that wassuper cool. And then Luthian again she

(40:51):
at one point smothered Saron's lung lungainto her enchanted cloak like this lady was
really cool. But so Souron isnot like all powerful. He's been defeated
multiple times. He's a sorcerer,so like he has magic powers. But
if someone else has magic powers,like I would love to see like Voldemort
and sarn go at it. Sodo you think do you think Sauron should

(41:12):
take the number eight spot? Youknow what, I'll probably say yes.
Now it's like me because I saySouron and the lich King kind of have
equal powers, So it would bebetween seven and eight would be between Souron
and Lych King. For me,Sauron and the Lych King. Now what
about Souron, the Lych King andDarth Vader. Because I'm looking at Darth

(41:37):
Vader and he's got forced sensibility foursense, right, he can sense found
him, he can call upon thedark side. He's got I don't know
if he ever did lightning, buthe's got his light Saber's never done.
Got lightsaber, a lot of reflecta lot of energy. I don't know
if Lightsaber would win against Voldemart's youknow, expelling Amus or whatever. Yeah,

(42:00):
I mean that's that's really tough becauselike now I'm like thinking about,
like what if Souron and Lord Vaderwent went off. You know, they
both use melee weapons, they bothhave force like abilities like magic, right
mm hmm. And it's like,okay, who would win in that essence?
Right? I still, I stillwould give a line up between Saron

(42:21):
and Vader to Vader because I feellike Vader has it's being in tune with
the force or whatever by by anevil or or or light. It's kind
of just all around you. Youhave that extra sensory perception. Do I
feel like Surn might have to casta spell or something like that in order
to gain that. So I putthat as a little bit higher and plus

(42:44):
whatever instrument physical implement of destruction.Saren would have. A lightsaber can take
out a lot of that stuff.You can slice right through it. You
know, it's a laser sort.Oh wow, that's why I might give
the advantage to Vader. You readAre you reading? He did? Somebody?
Actually? You herds nerds out there? Yeah, it's literally it's been

(43:07):
decided. This is as of Januarytwenty second. In twenty twenty two,
Saron versus Darth Vader. It saidthis is ultimately an opinion, piece of
course, But while the fight betweenVader and Sour Saron would seem promising,
it would ultimately end in Darth Vader'sdefeat. Though Vader was strong in the
ways of the force and exceedingly handywith the lightsaber, he'd be facing a

(43:31):
primordial being whose very powers helped shapethe foundation of the world. I mean,
would you agree with that, Cameron? I mean, coming with a
lot more lore than I am.And you're talking about Saron. I get
that he's like this essence of evil, but how it manifests is mostly through
his power and influence over time,not in an actual pitched battle against a

(43:53):
singular opponent, you know what Imean. Yeah, see, like this
is a great So there's another Reddit. It's like, let's settle this on
versus death Vetter. According to aredditor, this is eight years ago.
But I you know, they reallyput it on a pedestal. They said,
to put it simply, Souron isextremely overrated in terms of what he's
actually capable of doing in a directconfrontation. The dude has been defeated by

(44:15):
Gilgilade Juan, banished out of dollGuldor, and has probably been defeated in
single combat a few other times.Fighting is not Saron's stank a strength manipulation
is now Vader. We have thecomplete opposite case, Vader is extremely capable
and extremely powerful in the new canon, casually tearing apart at eight's, casually
collapsing ceilings, moving fast enough todo this stuff overall being described as I

(44:39):
don't even know that he's a fastwarrior. So it's like if it's a
direct fight between the two villains Vader. Vader casually cuts off Souran's ring and
takes for himself. Whatever happens afteris something I'll leave to your own imagination.
Good, yea yea yeah, yeahyeh yeah yeah, so okay,
I'll put sourn as number eight.Yeah, he's not good. And then

(45:00):
Elk now comes back to like,is this a direct comp This is direct
combat like one v one right,because we are trying I guess it's inevitable
that we get into this conversation becausewe're trying to pick who is who would
rank higher or lower, which inwhich begs the question, well, who
would win who fight? Yeah,it all comes down to that who would

(45:21):
win in a fight? You know? Because so whatever kind of criteria,
whether it's like levels of devastation ormotivation or whatever, or maybe iconic imagery
in pop culture, which Darth Vaderwould probably wad up closer to number one.
Yeah, if we're doing it thatway. It all depends on the
criteria, I guess. But ifwe're doing it that way, Darth Vader
is either going to be seven orsix, because we have to decide if

(45:43):
he'd be up against when he's upagainst Voldemart and the lych King. In
terms of physical prowess, I feellike Voldemart might have an advantage because he
could throw stuff at him from along ways away. He's got up a
list of spells at his disposal,whereas Arth Vader would be you know,
he's got lightsabery, he's got forsensitivity, he's picking up things, throwing

(46:04):
things, blocking things with his forestpowers. But then ultimately, what if
you know, what if Voldemart throwslike some sort of withering spell or some
sort of like you know, uh, he turns the ground underneath him into
lava, you know whatever. Ifeel like Voldemart has a wider vocabulary,
a wider toolbox to pull from.Yeah, which is you know, I

(46:24):
feel like we're not the first todo this because every combination of people that
I think we would put together atGoogle Search is. It's all there.
It's literally all there. There's evena death battle, yeah, death battle,
death battle, because I'm like,who would win in a fight between
Arthurs and Sarahn? Like I mentionedYouTube page called death battle, and this

(46:46):
is one of the battles. Allright, well listen, hey, we
got I think we should cut ourselvesoff from that because I don't want to
be influenced by any other battle,any other hardly mind. I want us
to talk about it and have thesethings out ourselves. Uh So I'm gonna
say I would say Darth Vader isnumber seven. I think Darth Vader number

(47:07):
seven, Yeah, because I thinkDarth Vader is a if you want to,
if you want to, Jedis arekind of wizards, aren't they.
Yeah, other's space wizards. That'sessentially what you know. But I'm thinking
of all the different ways that I'veseen the Force manifest itself throughout the movies.
Essentially, I don't know if anyof you would have insight into the
books or the animated series, SoI'm just going off of what I've seen

(47:30):
Darth Vader. Do I mean superpowerful, pulling down at ats, collapsing,
I mean yeah, in the especiallyForce push and force pull. I
don't know if he does force lightning, but he can force push, force
poll, but like are you ableto because and remember a like remember we're
missing a very important part of thatof Devader. He's only half human,

(47:53):
he's half robot. He's he's gotan arm and his legs cut off and
he's encased in a suit that helpshim breathe essentially, and so he's still
like powerful, but he's he's handicappedin a way. He is handicapped.
But like we've even handicapped. We'veseen him like Rogue one Darth Vader and

(48:15):
then the OBI one series Darth Vader. He's still handicapped, but that's at
his most powerful. I think we'veseen Darth. Yeah, that's that's fair.
And it's like I think, honestly, I think he's a more powerful
because Voldemort needs his wand. Okay, you're right, because that was a
bib. That was that's a majorplot point, right, Yeah, and
like he gets the Master wand andthen he becomes very very powerful. But

(48:38):
like, yeah, Wizards, maybeit's a a sour Un type thing.
If Darth Vader can just cut hisget his wand away away from him cut
his hand off horse pull. Yeah, like what's he gonna do? Ye?
He needs the wand to cast?Is there anything in Harry Potter that

(48:58):
they can cast without their wand?Or they always need their wan to k
I feel like you're right man.You guys can let us know in the
comments section, but I feel likethey gotta have their wants. They need
their wands. Vader doesn't need awant, doesn't need a want. He's
got the four so maybe that puts. What do you think about this?
Yeah? I think that I thinkVoldemort's stronger than actually, can we put

(49:22):
let's put art I think artHis wouldwin against Sourn, So like I think
Arthurs would be number uh number seven, number seven, Yeah, and then
Sourn would be eight. Now okay, soarm B eight and dix is voldemart
ORX would be Voldemort. I thinkyeah, I think Voldemort' is a more

(49:42):
powerful like whiz. Actually, let'sput yeah, he needs his wont Actually
no, no, because I thinkthat's good. Do you who do you
think would win between arth Is?I feel like the lych king has has
more in charge of Now I'm talkingabout all vocabulary, because if you're saying
that Voldemort needs his wand well thatkind of handicaps him because this guy,

(50:05):
I feel like he could throw lightningbolts or fireballs or whatever. He could
use his sword, but he's gotto have more powers than that. You
tell me mccameron, Okay, Igotta brush up. I'm guessing my instincts
say that six is six is thelich King? In seven is Voldemort now
and then then then we're talking whoNow we're talking where does Vader stack up

(50:30):
against the lych King? You know, you know, you know Arthurs has
a crazy backstory, like it's alot like I don't think any of those
dudes would beat Vader. Vader islike up there, do you think he's
five? Who's what about Vader Dirthversus Gannon? Because I I'm happy with

(50:52):
that. I'm happy with that listnow because Voldemort. I don't think Voldemort
would win against Vader. I don'tthink would he win against the lich King
because the lich King is you know, he's got more combat experience like that
is he's still he's still a necromancer, so he's got power, but he's

(51:12):
also direct, like he used tobe a paladin, like he's been in
close fights. So now Wait aminute, Wait a minute, So what
are we saying with Thanos, becausewho's got more experience here? And who
I think who tips the scales inthis triple lineup? Yeah, let me
just what do you think about that? Yes or no to this this thing?

(51:34):
Vader? I think he would too. I mean, here's the thing,
Thanos. He's you know, he'sgot a lot of experience. He's
exceptional. He is combat he's verycombat effective. But he and and if
he can get a shot off,it's a powerful shot because he's got the
ultimate incarnation of each of these stones. And you don't know how he's going

(51:59):
to manifest this, you know whatI mean? Yeah, maybe he just
throws up an illusion for Vader andVader gets temporarily distracted and then bam,
he hits him with the powerstone orsomething. You know. Yeah, So
I don't know what do you thinkabout that? I'm reading this and somebody's
saying that Arthurs can grow infinitely empowerI mean, then we put him up

(52:22):
in the top three between Kefka Sephyrov'sFinal Form and Calamity Gannon. Yeah,
let's see mess because I could justsay calamity Gan is a prime is a
primordial form of pure evil that willlive on forever no matter what you do,
because he's infinitely locked in a battlewith Link for all time. Who's

(52:44):
the hero of time? Yeah,you know, let's you know. I'm
comfortable with this, leaving it atit as it is. Okay. If
if we have some World of Warcraftsuper nerds listening to this, please send
us an email PCF and podcast atgmail dot com explaining why the lich King
should be higher closer to one onthis list. I would love to hear
your explanation, but for right now, I think this is good for the

(53:06):
sake of time and the sake ofmy sanity. That's good. That's good
because you truly describe, you know, if you describe Kefka and Sepherof as
like these all powerful beings in theirfinal forms, then now this is just

(53:28):
a fight against like God's basically yep. Okay, So that's fine. I'm
okay. I'm gonna make a callhere. You tell me if you call
me on this. So this isI think this will be your explanation and
reasoning because I have no experience withany of these. Oh shoot man,

(53:49):
okay, okay, so what arewe looking at? We're looking at godlike
powers from espers. From Final Fantasysix, we're looking at godlike powers from
Materia, which basically comes from theEarth. Right, different manifestations coming from
the Earth. Well, you know, if you've played these games, the
same spells can be cast. There'sfire ice Earth, there's all of the

(54:14):
espers, you know, and theShiva and all that kind of stuff.
It's a theme that goes throughout theFinal Fantasy games. Here is what I
will say, This is what I'mgonna do. Number three Kefka, number
two off and number one Calamity.Again, it's really hard to choose between

(54:38):
Sepharrof and Kefka. I'm gonna throwsome points at you, okay, and
you tell me if they're viable.Maybe that'll help you. So, just
a couple of online opinions here,all right, So is Kefka more powerful
than Sepharov? Let's see, combatis an area that Sepharov is just naturally
going to have the advantage of becauseof his extensive combat training. But who

(55:01):
is superior in power? We haveone redditor saying that Kefka is the only
villain to achieve ultimate power and thenknow what to do with it. You
know what I could say in termsof, yes, knowing what to do
with it, he probably would havean advantage over Severroth because Cefrov rises to

(55:22):
that level of power at the endof Final Fantasy seven, and you meet
him in that moment, just ashe's become this supernatural being, right,
Kefka gains all this power from theespers, breaks the world, and then
it's like chillin for a good whileuntil your heroes decide to confront him,
you know, at the end ofthe game. And so if if if

(55:44):
knowledge and experience as that final formis a factor, then yesa would be
a little bit higher than Sefrov.It's a little bit more experience, Yes,
a little more experience, If thatmatters, If that's a factor,
I think that. I think sotoo. I put Calamity Gannon in there
because in terms of I see himas being an an eternal essence, the

(56:07):
eternal essence of evil. That's CalamityGannon. He has taken many different forms.
If you want to believe, ifyou want to take the lore of
Legend of Zelda throughout all of thegames and just have that be some sort
of eternal battle, that's Calamity Gannonright here. He can take different forms,
but he's always been pure evil.Okay, So he's literally the personification

(56:29):
of pure evil. It's he's theprimorial essence of pure evil. Yes,
he's a personification of pure evil.So that's like, I can't get more
evil than that, and that's whyhe's number one. Yeah, all of
these, all of these characters,uh you know, have they have physical
forms, they're people. They're individuals, right, who have grown to power

(56:51):
or who represent what Calamity Ganon inessence has always been, which is perivial.
Okay, he's not motivation, he'sa person. I mean, he
has manifested as a person, butit's just evil. Yeah, he is
the essence of evil. You can'tget more evil than that, yeah,
okay? Or yeah, or AdolfHitler blood twist, flood twist, flot

(57:17):
twist, all right, yeah,I'm happy with that list a right,
I mean, Darth Vader is Rememberlike for some reason, Jedi warriors,
I feel like we tend to underestimatethem or at least like you know,
they're space wizards you know that arejust really skilled at hand to hand combat.
So that was like what we sawwith Obi Wan during the Ultimate Soldiers

(57:38):
like he went way higher than Ithought it was because you know, I
mean, I didn't read the books, but I just watch what I see
and like the way they're portrayed isthey're old, they're not very you know,
skilled. Yeah, and it's justlike lame shots. So it's hard.
It's easy to underestimate them. Butyeah, no, uh, Darth
Vader, he's a very powerful man. Are you happy with this list?

(57:59):
I am happy with this list.The bigger question is what do you think
about this list? Leave in acomment, write us an email, let
us know what you think about thislist. But yeah, I'm very happy
with this list. I think itwas It's well thought out, and it
will go in the annals of topten rankup who would win in a fight
history. I think this is agood one. This is a great one.

(58:20):
And you know, since you areso happy, I'll give you a
game as well to finish this reward. For all my heart, he is
your reward. So this game iscalled What makes the Man? I'm going
to give you the name of avillain and you tell me why he became
a villain? Villain? What ishis origin story? Easy? Is that?
Okay? Cool? All right?I think I got this. Okay,

(58:40):
all right, So we got sixcharacters. You're ready, do it?
All right? Number one Auto Octavius, Spider Man two. Ott Octavius
was a scientist. I guess ifyou want to yeah, if you want
to do Spider Man two, TobyMaguire era. Then he was a scientist
trying to harness the power of thesun and the of his hand, trying
to make free energy for everybody andit. And he had his arms that

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were his assistants to help him controlhis machine. Uh, it goes bad,
goes out of control. He losesthat little inhibitor chip which makes the
tentacles start to have a voice inhis head. He goes a little crazy,
and then he blames Spider Man forhis failures. Yes, and his
wife dies. Yeah, his wifedies in the accident. Yep. Yeah,

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I mean you pretty much got itright. But yeah, okay,
so you got the idea. Okay, all right, cool, okay,
all right? Speaking of Gannon legendsof Zelda, I mean which one he's
the primordial essence of evil? Uh? The first legend of Zelda humanized?
Yeah, the legend straight Dannon,I mean I know that in uh linked

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to the past, he is theadvisor to the king and then he betrays
the king or something. He's likean evil wizard who uses the trial force
of power. This is three partsto the triforce, power, wisdom,
and virtue, I think. Buthe used the Triforce of power to take
over the kingdom and in an inthe first one, he's like an evil

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pig wizard guy, I think.But uh, yeah, he's basically an
evil wizard in in fascally Actually,what's the famous n sixty four to one,
not Major's mask, the one beforethat. But he's an advisor to
the king. He's actually a highofficial that that betrays everybody. So okay,

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one of those Okay, yeah,yeah, I'd say the answer I
have hear is he wants to conquera high role by capturing Zelda and stealing
the triforce. But yeah, that'syeah, classic, yeah, classic.
All right, I'll give it toyou. There's a lot. I'm sure
that there's so many games, butyou got it, man, Okay.
Annie Wilked from the Misery film Ohoh. She is the person that finds

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the author James Conn's character in thewoods in the Snowstorm, takes him,
nurses him, back to health,but is a huge fan of the books
and cannot stand it when he killsthe character of Misery who's in his books,
and she hobbles him. She takesshe puts his ankles in there and

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slashes sledgehammer. One of the greatest, her most horrific moments in cinema history.
But yeah, she's the one whonurses him back to health and then
keeps him there as a prisoner andhe has to kill her to get out.
Yeah. No, dude, Iwas just talking about that movie yesterday.
So brutal, but yeah, you'reabsolutely correct. She finds out that
Paul is going to kill the maincharacter in the next book and wants him

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to rewrite the ending. Also,she is batshit crazy. Okay, all
right, good. Next one onthe list Magneto x Men. Magneto was
and he's a magnetic power guy.Was a friend of Xavier, but believes
there's a war ruining between humans andmutants and wants mutants to be supreme.
He wants to protect him, andhe's willing to kill in order to get

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it, in order to find asafe haven or to conquer humanity so that
mutants can rule. So yeah,basically, yeah, good, you're killing
this game. All right, wegot two more. Alright, you ready,
let's go all right? The WickedWitch of the West, I mean,
I guess with Wicked now, shehas like a sympathetic backstory where she

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was Alphaba and she and the goodthe Glenda the Goodwitch were friends in school,
which school, and then she getsreally powerful and you know, the
Wizard doesn't like her, so shebecomes a rebel and then eventually this misunderstood
anti hero person I guess goes offand has a great life. I mean

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she's, yeah, she's the WickedWitch of the West in the original Wizard
of Oz and she's just evil,but in Wicked, she starts out as
a good personson that gets misunderstood andthen he ultimately has to rebel. So,
I mean, I like your answerway better than the answer Chris has
here. He just said, she'sangry because Dorothy dropped the house on her

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sister and she wants to ruby slippers. That's you know what that sounds a
little bit more backstory. Yeah,I'll give it to you because that's like,
yeah, that's that's straight up backsthere. Sheer effort and nerdery sheer
effort and nerdiness. Glad you likemusicals. Okay, final one. Here
we go Hans Gruber from Diehard.Hans Gruber is a bank robber. Basically

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he makes himself out to be aterrorist, but basically all he wants to
do is come into Knocotomy Plaza andpretend to be a terrorist while actually just
robbing the vault. He's an exceptionalthief, as he says, and yeah,
leads a band of European mercenaries Europeanthieves to take it him out.
So yeah, he's the bad guyin Diehard. Okay, yeah, he

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wants those goddam bear bonds will besitting on a beach earning exactly. Nice
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