March 20, 2025 • 33 mins
The impact of women across culture, society, and history takes center stage in this heartfelt appreciation episode. Rob and Jay explore the remarkable achievements of women who have broken barriers and set new standards in multiple arenas - from sports phenoms like Cocoa Gauff and Angel Reese to political pioneers including Condoleezza Rice and Kamala Harris.
Their conversation spans entertainment, highlighting the powerful legacies of actresses such as Angela Bassett, Viola Davis, and Halle Berry, whose versatility and embodiment of their characters have left indelible marks on film. The musical landscape receives equal attention, celebrating voices that transcend generations - from Whitney Houston's intentional artistry and Ella Fitzgerald's jazz innovations to Beyoncé's groundbreaking achievement as the first woman of color to win a Grammy in the country music category.
Beyond recognizing famous figures, the discussion turns meaningfully to how men can better support women in their lives. Through active listening, validating experiences, creating safe spaces, and remaining consistent allies even when women aren't present, men can contribute to more equitable environments. As Rob and Jay emphasize, women's appreciation shouldn't be confined to a single month but should become a year-round commitment to honoring the women who shape our world in countless ways.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Okay, welcome to another episode of Pops and Son
Conversations.
It is your favorite Silver Fox,Rob Malloy.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And it's your favorite poet that you didn't
even know it, Mr Check ThreeTimes.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, all right, jamie.
Look, man, we are embarking onthe beautiful month of March,
women's appreciation.
Now, did you know that Marchwas Women's Appreciation Month?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, I did, I did know that that Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, you know, um, a lot of times you know we do
take for granted the women thatare in our life.
Um, you know they're so good tous.
They look out for us, give usgood advice, take good care of
us.
You know it's a shame that wehave to have one month, so we
got to do a better job at makingsure that we show them
appreciation.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, I agree 100%.
It's not just about this onemonth.
It's got to be a year-roundthing.
We got to show the women thatwe love them, we support them
and that we are here and that westand beside them and behind
them.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Indeed, and so we have dedicated this episode for
you, ladies.
Now we're going to talk about afew different things, but for
the most part, we do want toshow your appreciation.
We're going to show you justsome of the things that we don't
typically discuss, mainlybecause it's pops and son okay,
(01:42):
it ain't pops, son, mama,daughter and all that, so.
So we have a lot of fun with it.
What direction you want to gotoday?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Let's start with.
Let's start with the women'simpact on culture and society.
Ok, I think that's a good placeto start because, when you
think about it, in recent yearswomen really been dominating
Like they've been crushing it.
You know when it comes from,you know sports, even to
(02:17):
politics.
You know, shout out to Kamala,and when you get to Kamala,
there you go.
So, wow, I really said thatwrong On women's appreciation.
My Lord, have mercy.
Hey, we corrected it.
Man, so we're good.
Okay, so yeah.
But when it comes down to thesports man, you know, you got
(02:40):
Cocoa Golf.
Angel Reese doing her thing,clarissa Shields I actually have
written a few articles aboutthese athletes because they've
just been crushing it man, justsetting records and breaking
barriers, breaking down norms.
So we definitely got tohighlight that and give a shout
(03:02):
out to the women.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
And these are all sisters right.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, you know that.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Got to make sure that we make mention that these are
sisters that are doing bigthings.
And you know, historically, youknow Black women, women of
color, have been really amazingonce they had opportunities.
They've taken the opportunities, excelled and made a beautiful
(03:35):
path for those in front and theones behind, making them very
proud.
So you know, let me ask you howyou feel about the sister.
Do you remember CondoleezzaRice?
You remember?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
her.
I remember hearing that namegrowing up a lot, but that was.
You know, I was.
I was younger so I wasn'treally into the politics and
things like that, but I dorecall she was the first was a
secretary was it?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, yeah she.
You know a lot of people don'tremember, because you know she
starts talking about politics.
Man, it can go left and right,no pun intended, but the but,
the fact of the matter is justhaving a footprint in in
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politics, which is, you know, anopportunity to represent the
community and the voices thatare typically underserved.
The community and the voicesthat are typically underserved.
Nobody is going to doeverything to where everybody's
going to like it, butpositioning yourself to ensure
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that again there is a footprintin politics in our government,
which also gives people hope,you know, it gives people
awareness that people of color,specifically women of color, you
know are making their mark andI feel like they're representing
(05:21):
really, really well, and so youknow we have to acknowledge
that and keep it going, becauseif not, then you know what, what
would be, what would be ourwomen's goals in the moving
forward, Because it doesn't just, you know, stop there.
So, even with Kamala Harris, youknow, vice president, ex vice
president, Kamala Harris, youknow, vice president, ex-vice
(05:43):
president, Kamala Harris, youknow she represented, and I
think that encouraged, a lot ofpeople of color, men and women,
and you know it doesn't stopthere just because you're not
the president doesn't mean thatyou can't make impact in the
government, in the community.
So the opportunities are stillthere and it doesn't stop just
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because a specific positionwasn't hit.
You still can make impact.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I 100% agree with you , pops.
Everything you said, 100% true.
The representation for women.
Just me, seeing it through mymale eyes, my male perspective,
I've always thought that,especially in our culture, black
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women I thought that somethings were lacking.
You know what I mean.
So it's, it's really good tosee the, the excellence, the
elevation, it's good to see that.
You know, through thesedifferent figures women can
become more inspired, like yousaid, they have something to to
towards and strive towards.
(06:58):
Because you know, especiallylike in sports, for me there was
no, you know I have plenty offigures, you know who I could
want to aspire to be when itcomes to the sports section.
And then, you know, we haveBarack a little earlier.
So even then, you know, we kindof saw that, yeah, earlier on.
So, um, yeah, definitely verygood to see that the elevation
(07:22):
has come so far and I know it'seven going to go further than
that, like there's there's nostopping it, there's no limit to
it.
Because one thing about women,you know, I know one thing about
women when they put their mindto something, when they want to
accomplish it, you know what I'msaying it's, it's, it's no
stopping them.
They have that, that fiercedrive that you, that you see,
(07:45):
and it's so evident by the, bythe figures that we just
mentioned.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then, just to be clear,because we mentioned a little
bit earlier, because wementioned a little bit earlier,
ms Rice was, she was the firstfemale African-American
secretary of state and the firstwoman to serve as national
security advisor.
So that that's major when youthink about that, because she's
(08:11):
well qualified.
Oh yeah, she, she had to bequalified for that to happen and
that's pretty amazing.
So, moving on, I do want tobring somebody else up for you,
Jay Candice Owens.
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I know Candice Owens, I like Candice Owens, I like
some of her, some of her takesand some of the things that she
stands for.
I know she could be a bitcontroversial but you know,
that's just like I said, that'sone of those things about women
you know they're going to besteadfast in their beliefs and
(08:50):
she really stands for somethingand I think that's even a good
look.
Yeah, because a lot of timeswomen are painted, as you know,
not able to be great leaders ormaybe into emotional things like
that.
But when Candace Owens speaks,she speaks with conviction, she
speaks like she knows what she'stalking about, she got the
(09:11):
facts to back it up and she'sjust being, you know, 100
percent authentic to who.
She is, not being, you know,controlled.
So you know, like I said, someof her tapes are controversial
but I just, I just like therepresentation.
Just another great, justanother great model for women,
(09:32):
black women, to you know, to say, hey, in a male-dominated space
, in a male-dominated opinion,you know, I could have my
opinion, I could have peopleagree and I could build
something off of that.
So, yeah, definitely, shout outto Candace Owens, for sure.
And I want to say she in myclass, in my generation.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, around that same age bracket.
If I'm not mistaken, she'ssomewhere around 34, 35.
But you know, being able topierce the public space as a
public commentator, if you likeher or not, she's well-respected
(10:21):
in many communities, which isnot easy to do in this world.
So, yeah, shout out to her.
So let me ask you this I wantto know who are some of your
favorite actresses, jay?
Just name your top three, fourtop three.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I'm going to go with, uh, megan good, I'm going to go
with.
Oh man, I'm forgetting her name.
This is crazy.
What is her name?
I'ma skip her, I'm gonna go to.
I'm going to go to, halle Berry, okay, and then for number
(11:02):
three, oh man, I kind of like Idon't know why I want to say
Stacey Dash.
I don't know why I want to saythat that's not it, though, but
that's not who was Shortcut?
She famous for the Shortcut.
(11:24):
Okay, nia Long, nia Long, yeah,that's who it is.
Yeah, that's my top three.
Megan Good, nia Long and Halle,yeah, I think that's my top
three.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Hey, looks like you got a type.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
They're great actresses.
Every role I see them in, theykill it, every single one.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
What about you Pop?
So you know, and those are somebeautiful women as well.
They just happen to be very,very beautiful women in my
opinion as well, very beautifulwomen in my opinion as well.
So when I think about actressfor me, I think about you know,
and being an actor.
I look at, you know, body ofwork, longevity being diverse
(12:12):
and just, you know, kind ofembracing that characters are
where you almost can't separatethem.
So I'm going to go with theobvious Angela Bassett, okay For
sure, legend, and you know it'stough to just drop three
because I have so many.
But Sinai Lathan is definitelya favorite and she's been a
(12:35):
favorite, definitely a favorite,she's been a favorite.
I would probably go with ViolaDavis.
She's strong, she's convincing,she just embodies every
(12:59):
character that she does.
Those ladies are definitelyveterans in the game.
You know honorable mentionslike everybody that you
mentioned, I would say honorablemention.
But there's so many amazingactresses that you know and, to
(13:21):
be fair, you know I got to dropPam Greer up in there, man, come
on now.
Oh yeah, pam is too.
Hey, hey, that's Pam beenholding it down for a long time
and you know she paved the wayfor many sisters of Melanation,
as I like to say.
So, yeah, man, I think that wehave a lot of talent.
The actor world, the actressworld, the film industry is full
(13:47):
of talent, even the new onesthat are coming out.
You know, zoe, I think Zoe'spretty cool.
Oh yeah, she is good, yeah, andalso like Regina, there's a few
Reginas.
Yeah, she is good, yeah, andalso like Regina, there's a few
Reginas.
To be honest with you, you know, of course you got Regina King,
but so I like all of themRegina King, regina Hall, regina
(14:11):
Hall, of course, and so youknow, well represented in that
industry, man.
So I think that's cool Againfor you guys.
Tuning in it is officially,we're deep in women's
appreciation month, which is themonth of March.
We're just showing love, payinghomage, I think, another
(14:36):
direction.
I want to go real quick, jay,before we move on to some other
things.
Uh, let's, let's, how aboutyour favorite top three artists?
Musical artists, any?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
okay, okay, any genre , um, yeah, you know, I gotta
admit that I think, while I dosupport a lot of the hip hop,
that the ladies putting out alot of it I don't really think
(15:10):
is for me.
But I will say Glorilla, I likeGlorilla, glorilla got some
good guys, glorilla got somegood guys.
Hey, yeah, gorilla got somegood ones.
Let me go to you know, sza.
Sza's been killing it.
Yeah, sza is like, she's theone right now.
(15:37):
I think she's like the closestthing that we've gotten to like
a Beyonce type superstar.
And then, of course, I gotta goRihanna.
Yeah, I gotta go Rihanna.
Okay, yeah, it's only right,but it's so crazy because
Rihanna hasn't put music out inso long.
She's just like straightbusiness.
(16:00):
Yeah, straight business mogul,not long, she's just straight
business mogul, she's justdominating.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, music wise, those are amazing artists.
Music wise, I'm going to go oldschool.
I've always enjoyed Chaka Khan.
You know she has really evolved.
(16:28):
Like a lot of people don't knowold school Chaka Khan and Rufus
, but she, you know, she's beenin the game and she's evolved
and stayed relevant just becauseof the message in her music.
Man, I think that she's one ofthe most talented.
I'm also going to roll withBeyonce and I mean I have to
(16:55):
show love to Beyonce justbecause of her versatility and
her evolution.
It's almost I don't want this tosound crass, but it's almost
like you forgot about Destiny'sChild man.
It's like you almost forgotthey existed because of her run
since going solo.
(17:16):
You know she's improved in herperformance.
Her vocals are off the chainand just, you know, being open
to diversify her platform.
You know she recently won whatCountry Music Album of the Year?
(17:39):
She got a Grammy for that.
Yeah, come on now, now.
Now, who's doing that?
I, I don't.
I don't know any non-sistercountry albums that want a
grammy.
To be honest with you, we'llhave to, you know, get our folks
to do some research on that.
But, uh, you know she's soshe's.
You know she's so she's a onetalent.
(18:03):
And then the last one, you know,rest in peace, man, my favorite
artist of all time, femaleartist of all time, the great
Whitney Houston.
Oh, yes, and Whitney Houstonhad one of those voices that
gives you chills, yes, voicesthat gives you chills, yes, and,
(18:24):
and not because of her range Imean also you know, of course,
her range but just the energyand the vibe she puts in her
music.
It's like all of her music isintentional.
She never, she never put outany music.
That was just.
Let me just put something outthere because it's been two
months.
Let me me just, you know, justyou know, she has always been
intentional, very well trainedvoice.
(18:47):
I mean, you can tell that sheactually puts work into her
voice as well, naturallytalented.
So, you know, shout out to thelate great Whitney Houston,
shout out to Bobby Brown, man,god bless him.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I just saw a video of him at a show.
They say he look like Cedric.
The Entertainer had me crackingup.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Hey, you know what, though, with what that brother
has been through, he can looklike whatever he wants to.
Losing a wife, losing adaughter man all in the same
time frame yeah, oh man, that'stough, whatever it take for him
(19:36):
to stay strong.
And it's also good to see NewEdition, one of my top two, top
three groups of all time.
So just to see them brothersman, still go for it, still have
that zest in life, in theirmusic is pretty dope.
And of course, that fun fact,real quick, just came in Beyonce
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is the first woman of color towin in the history of the
Grammys.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Ooh, History, history Making history.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Man, so she had to put some country music out there
to do it, though, huh.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Ain't that something I had to cross over?
I had to cross over.
Yeah, I actually had one more Iwanted to mention for my
because, when I started to thinkabout it, who really got me
into jazz.
It was Ella Fitzgerald.
You know, I was introduced toher music and it might have been
(20:40):
elementary school, and I justwas so fascinated with her voice
.
You know how she was like therange and then the scatting, and
I just thought it was so dope.
So from there I just kind ofwent down a rabbit hole.
She has a lot of really reallygood music like soulful
introspective yeah.
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So if anybody hasn't taken thetime to listen to that,
definitely got to check that out.
You're doing yourself adisservice.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Classic classic music .
If you do that, you got tothrow in Miss Lena Horne, you
got to throw in Miss Hathaway.
Just so much talent, just rawtalent, At the same time very
polished.
Like folks wasn't playing backthen man Like ain't no five, six
(21:30):
do-overs, Nah.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Take a break.
They not making them like thatanymore.
That's why it feels so good tohear it.
It's so refreshing to go backand listen to some of that older
music from decades ago.
It's really good.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yeah for sure.
And even today's music.
I got a shout out because Iwent to a concert a few months
ago.
Um, samara, joy is isdefinitely in that vein.
Now that that classic, justgood, hearty talent, pure talent
(22:16):
.
So, uh, so shout out to, uh, toall the ladies doing their
thing and continually doingtheir thing.
So you know, again, this is arabbit hole that we're not going
to go through, because now yougot rappers, I mean you got hip
hop.
You know we can go down here.
Honorable mention got to beQueen Latifah.
Oh, of course I think that sheMC.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Lyte, lil' Kim, even Nicki man.
You got to give Nicki Minajsome cred.
Oh, of course, the modern well,really, I mean the female rap
wave.
Like I said, women had justbeen dominating in sports, music
, politics and you know, nickikind of was really early on that
.
Now, of course, you know, youhad Lil' Kim, but there was a
(23:11):
gap, right, there was a gap.
And then Nicki came on thescene and just kind of blew the
spot open and then, you know,the floodgates opened and now we
got women topping the charts inhip-hop.
So it's a great thing.
You can definitely see theinspiration there.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Cause and effect cause and effect, cause and
effect.
So you know, continuing withthe um, women's appreciation, uh
, what's another topic that wecan we can kind of wrap this up
with jay that you think would beimportant, uh, to acknowledge
this episode I think a goodtopic, um, just wrapping it up
(23:54):
is um, how can us men supportand uplift women?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
um, you know, women go through a lot of challenges,
um, especially dealing with um.
Just, you know, especially likein the media and things like
that.
Social media like, there's alot of things that they face on
a daily basis that you know theyask for support, they ask for
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help, they ask to to be seen inways, and I think that us men
just being more involved,actively listening to their
experience, validating theirfeelings, because us men a lot
of times we'll be like if wedon't really understand it, it's
(24:49):
not making sense, then we pushthat to the side, it's on the
back burner, we're not trippingoff of that.
Push that to the side, it's onthe back burner, we're not
tripping off of that.
But definitely we got tovalidate their feelings, and
that goes from personal andprofessional spaces, in other
(25:12):
words, just being theirsupportive, being an ally, being
a person that they can confidein a safe space, so to speak,
and just standing up even whenthey're not in the room.
You know what I'm saying,because that's another thing.
You know, we can reallyalleviate a lot of the
(25:34):
negativity if we continue tosupport while they're not around
.
You know it's got to be acontinual and perpetual thing,
just the same way that weshouldn't just carve out one
month to say we appreciate andwe love our women.
You know we shouldn't juststand up and pander when they're
around just to, you know, kindof try to get their good graces.
(25:57):
No, we got to be about it 24-7.
So I think that's the mainthing when it comes to, you know
, just supporting and upliftingthem.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah, yeah, that's good.
All I can do is really justsalute.
You know what you just said.
That's a major thing beingpresent, being there, supportive
(26:28):
, whether you are, you know, inthe same room or, if you are,
you know, are just representingfrom afar.
I think that's really good, andI think that it's also key that
we communicate with them thatthey have the support.
You know.
Sometimes they need thataffirmation, they need that
(26:51):
confirmation that somebody hastheir back.
That would help them, you know,get out of their comfort zone
or at least feel morecomfortable in what they're
doing.
So you know.
So, again, salute to all of theamazing women.
We salute you, not only Women'sAppreci, but um every single
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day.
So be encouraged, keep doingwhat you're doing and um and
yeah, we love you and appreciateyou.
So, uh, yeah, jay, that's ourshow man.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Um, so we love the ladies, we love the ladies.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Look, check us out next episode.
Uh, we appreciate you guys Onceagain, if you got questions and
want to share some otherinformation, hit us on the
website.
That's what the website's therefor.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Give them that information real quick, jay, you
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Speaker 1 (28:35):
All right, blessings we out Peace.
Okay, welcome to another episode of Pops and Son
Conversations.
It is your favorite Silver Fox,Rob Malloy.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And it's your favorite poet that you didn't
even know it, Mr Check ThreeTimes.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, all right, jamie.
Look, man, we are embarking onthe beautiful month of March,
women's appreciation.
Now, did you know that Marchwas Women's Appreciation Month?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, I did, I did know that that Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, you know, um, a lot of times you know we do
take for granted the women thatare in our life.
Um, you know they're so good tous.
They look out for us, give usgood advice, take good care of
us.
You know it's a shame that wehave to have one month, so we
got to do a better job at makingsure that we show them
appreciation.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, I agree 100%.
It's not just about this onemonth.
It's got to be a year-roundthing.
We got to show the women thatwe love them, we support them
and that we are here and that westand beside them and behind
them.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Indeed, and so we have dedicated this episode for
you, ladies.
Now we're going to talk about afew different things, but for
the most part, we do want toshow your appreciation.
We're going to show you justsome of the things that we don't
typically discuss, mainlybecause it's pops and son okay,
(01:42):
it ain't pops, son, mama,daughter and all that, so.
So we have a lot of fun with it.
What direction you want to gotoday?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Let's start with.
Let's start with the women'simpact on culture and society.
Ok, I think that's a good placeto start because, when you
think about it, in recent yearswomen really been dominating
Like they've been crushing it.
You know when it comes from,you know sports, even to
(02:17):
politics.
You know, shout out to Kamala,and when you get to Kamala,
there you go.
So, wow, I really said thatwrong On women's appreciation.
My Lord, have mercy.
Hey, we corrected it.
Man, so we're good.
Okay, so yeah.
But when it comes down to thesports man, you know, you got
(02:40):
Cocoa Golf.
Angel Reese doing her thing,clarissa Shields I actually have
written a few articles aboutthese athletes because they've
just been crushing it man, justsetting records and breaking
barriers, breaking down norms.
So we definitely got tohighlight that and give a shout
(03:02):
out to the women.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
And these are all sisters right.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, you know that.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Got to make sure that we make mention that these are
sisters that are doing bigthings.
And you know, historically, youknow Black women, women of
color, have been really amazingonce they had opportunities.
They've taken the opportunities, excelled and made a beautiful
(03:35):
path for those in front and theones behind, making them very
proud.
So you know, let me ask you howyou feel about the sister.
Do you remember CondoleezzaRice?
You remember?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
her.
I remember hearing that namegrowing up a lot, but that was.
You know, I was.
I was younger so I wasn'treally into the politics and
things like that, but I dorecall she was the first was a
secretary was it?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, yeah she.
You know a lot of people don'tremember, because you know she
starts talking about politics.
Man, it can go left and right,no pun intended, but the but,
the fact of the matter is justhaving a footprint in in
(04:33):
politics, which is, you know, anopportunity to represent the
community and the voices thatare typically underserved.
The community and the voicesthat are typically underserved.
Nobody is going to doeverything to where everybody's
going to like it, butpositioning yourself to ensure
(04:57):
that again there is a footprintin politics in our government,
which also gives people hope,you know, it gives people
awareness that people of color,specifically women of color, you
know are making their mark andI feel like they're representing
(05:21):
really, really well, and so youknow we have to acknowledge
that and keep it going, becauseif not, then you know what, what
would be, what would be ourwomen's goals in the moving
forward, Because it doesn't just, you know, stop there.
So, even with Kamala Harris, youknow, vice president, ex vice
president, Kamala Harris, youknow, vice president, ex-vice
(05:43):
president, Kamala Harris, youknow she represented, and I
think that encouraged, a lot ofpeople of color, men and women,
and you know it doesn't stopthere just because you're not
the president doesn't mean thatyou can't make impact in the
government, in the community.
So the opportunities are stillthere and it doesn't stop just
(06:07):
because a specific positionwasn't hit.
You still can make impact.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I 100% agree with you , pops.
Everything you said, 100% true.
The representation for women.
Just me, seeing it through mymale eyes, my male perspective,
I've always thought that,especially in our culture, black
(06:37):
women I thought that somethings were lacking.
You know what I mean.
So it's, it's really good tosee the, the excellence, the
elevation, it's good to see that.
You know, through thesedifferent figures women can
become more inspired, like yousaid, they have something to to
towards and strive towards.
(06:58):
Because you know, especiallylike in sports, for me there was
no, you know I have plenty offigures, you know who I could
want to aspire to be when itcomes to the sports section.
And then, you know, we haveBarack a little earlier.
So even then, you know, we kindof saw that, yeah, earlier on.
So, um, yeah, definitely verygood to see that the elevation
(07:22):
has come so far and I know it'seven going to go further than
that, like there's there's nostopping it, there's no limit to
it.
Because one thing about women,you know, I know one thing about
women when they put their mindto something, when they want to
accomplish it, you know what I'msaying it's, it's, it's no
stopping them.
They have that, that fiercedrive that you, that you see,
(07:45):
and it's so evident by the, bythe figures that we just
mentioned.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then, just to be clear,because we mentioned a little
bit earlier, because wementioned a little bit earlier,
ms Rice was, she was the firstfemale African-American
secretary of state and the firstwoman to serve as national
security advisor.
So that that's major when youthink about that, because she's
(08:11):
well qualified.
Oh yeah, she, she had to bequalified for that to happen and
that's pretty amazing.
So, moving on, I do want tobring somebody else up for you,
Jay Candice Owens.
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I know Candice Owens, I like Candice Owens, I like
some of her, some of her takesand some of the things that she
stands for.
I know she could be a bitcontroversial but you know,
that's just like I said, that'sone of those things about women
you know they're going to besteadfast in their beliefs and
(08:50):
she really stands for somethingand I think that's even a good
look.
Yeah, because a lot of timeswomen are painted, as you know,
not able to be great leaders ormaybe into emotional things like
that.
But when Candace Owens speaks,she speaks with conviction, she
speaks like she knows what she'stalking about, she got the
(09:11):
facts to back it up and she'sjust being, you know, 100
percent authentic to who.
She is, not being, you know,controlled.
So you know, like I said, someof her tapes are controversial
but I just, I just like therepresentation.
Just another great, justanother great model for women,
(09:32):
black women, to you know, to say, hey, in a male-dominated space
, in a male-dominated opinion,you know, I could have my
opinion, I could have peopleagree and I could build
something off of that.
So, yeah, definitely, shout outto Candace Owens, for sure.
And I want to say she in myclass, in my generation.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, around that same age bracket.
If I'm not mistaken, she'ssomewhere around 34, 35.
But you know, being able topierce the public space as a
public commentator, if you likeher or not, she's well-respected
(10:21):
in many communities, which isnot easy to do in this world.
So, yeah, shout out to her.
So let me ask you this I wantto know who are some of your
favorite actresses, jay?
Just name your top three, fourtop three.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I'm going to go with, uh, megan good, I'm going to go
with.
Oh man, I'm forgetting her name.
This is crazy.
What is her name?
I'ma skip her, I'm gonna go to.
I'm going to go to, halle Berry, okay, and then for number
(11:02):
three, oh man, I kind of like Idon't know why I want to say
Stacey Dash.
I don't know why I want to saythat that's not it, though, but
that's not who was Shortcut?
She famous for the Shortcut.
(11:24):
Okay, nia Long, nia Long, yeah,that's who it is.
Yeah, that's my top three.
Megan Good, nia Long and Halle,yeah, I think that's my top
three.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Hey, looks like you got a type.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
They're great actresses.
Every role I see them in, theykill it, every single one.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
What about you Pop?
So you know, and those are somebeautiful women as well.
They just happen to be very,very beautiful women in my
opinion as well, very beautifulwomen in my opinion as well.
So when I think about actressfor me, I think about you know,
and being an actor.
I look at, you know, body ofwork, longevity being diverse
(12:12):
and just, you know, kind ofembracing that characters are
where you almost can't separatethem.
So I'm going to go with theobvious Angela Bassett, okay For
sure, legend, and you know it'stough to just drop three
because I have so many.
But Sinai Lathan is definitelya favorite and she's been a
(12:35):
favorite, definitely a favorite,she's been a favorite.
I would probably go with ViolaDavis.
She's strong, she's convincing,she just embodies every
(12:59):
character that she does.
Those ladies are definitelyveterans in the game.
You know honorable mentionslike everybody that you
mentioned, I would say honorablemention.
But there's so many amazingactresses that you know and, to
(13:21):
be fair, you know I got to dropPam Greer up in there, man, come
on now.
Oh yeah, pam is too.
Hey, hey, that's Pam beenholding it down for a long time
and you know she paved the wayfor many sisters of Melanation,
as I like to say.
So, yeah, man, I think that wehave a lot of talent.
The actor world, the actressworld, the film industry is full
(13:47):
of talent, even the new onesthat are coming out.
You know, zoe, I think Zoe'spretty cool.
Oh yeah, she is good, yeah, andalso like Regina, there's a few
Reginas.
Yeah, she is good, yeah, andalso like Regina, there's a few
Reginas.
To be honest with you, you know, of course you got Regina King,
but so I like all of themRegina King, regina Hall, regina
(14:11):
Hall, of course, and so youknow, well represented in that
industry, man.
So I think that's cool Againfor you guys.
Tuning in it is officially,we're deep in women's
appreciation month, which is themonth of March.
We're just showing love, payinghomage, I think, another
(14:36):
direction.
I want to go real quick, jay,before we move on to some other
things.
Uh, let's, let's, how aboutyour favorite top three artists?
Musical artists, any?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
okay, okay, any genre , um, yeah, you know, I gotta
admit that I think, while I dosupport a lot of the hip hop,
that the ladies putting out alot of it I don't really think
(15:10):
is for me.
But I will say Glorilla, I likeGlorilla, glorilla got some
good guys, glorilla got somegood guys.
Hey, yeah, gorilla got somegood ones.
Let me go to you know, sza.
Sza's been killing it.
Yeah, sza is like, she's theone right now.
(15:37):
I think she's like the closestthing that we've gotten to like
a Beyonce type superstar.
And then, of course, I gotta goRihanna.
Yeah, I gotta go Rihanna.
Okay, yeah, it's only right,but it's so crazy because
Rihanna hasn't put music out inso long.
She's just like straightbusiness.
(16:00):
Yeah, straight business mogul,not long, she's just straight
business mogul, she's justdominating.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, music wise, those are amazing artists.
Music wise, I'm going to go oldschool.
I've always enjoyed Chaka Khan.
You know she has really evolved.
(16:28):
Like a lot of people don't knowold school Chaka Khan and Rufus
, but she, you know, she's beenin the game and she's evolved
and stayed relevant just becauseof the message in her music.
Man, I think that she's one ofthe most talented.
I'm also going to roll withBeyonce and I mean I have to
(16:55):
show love to Beyonce justbecause of her versatility and
her evolution.
It's almost I don't want this tosound crass, but it's almost
like you forgot about Destiny'sChild man.
It's like you almost forgotthey existed because of her run
since going solo.
(17:16):
You know she's improved in herperformance.
Her vocals are off the chainand just, you know, being open
to diversify her platform.
You know she recently won whatCountry Music Album of the Year?
(17:39):
She got a Grammy for that.
Yeah, come on now, now.
Now, who's doing that?
I, I don't.
I don't know any non-sistercountry albums that want a
grammy.
To be honest with you, we'llhave to, you know, get our folks
to do some research on that.
But, uh, you know she's soshe's.
You know she's so she's a onetalent.
(18:03):
And then the last one, you know,rest in peace, man, my favorite
artist of all time, femaleartist of all time, the great
Whitney Houston.
Oh, yes, and Whitney Houstonhad one of those voices that
gives you chills, yes, voicesthat gives you chills, yes, and,
(18:24):
and not because of her range Imean also you know, of course,
her range but just the energyand the vibe she puts in her
music.
It's like all of her music isintentional.
She never, she never put outany music.
That was just.
Let me just put something outthere because it's been two
months.
Let me me just, you know, justyou know, she has always been
intentional, very well trainedvoice.
(18:47):
I mean, you can tell that sheactually puts work into her
voice as well, naturallytalented.
So, you know, shout out to thelate great Whitney Houston,
shout out to Bobby Brown, man,god bless him.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I just saw a video of him at a show.
They say he look like Cedric.
The Entertainer had me crackingup.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Hey, you know what, though, with what that brother
has been through, he can looklike whatever he wants to.
Losing a wife, losing adaughter man all in the same
time frame yeah, oh man, that'stough, whatever it take for him
(19:36):
to stay strong.
And it's also good to see NewEdition, one of my top two, top
three groups of all time.
So just to see them brothersman, still go for it, still have
that zest in life, in theirmusic is pretty dope.
And of course, that fun fact,real quick, just came in Beyonce
(19:58):
is the first woman of color towin in the history of the
Grammys.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Ooh, History, history Making history.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Man, so she had to put some country music out there
to do it, though, huh.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Ain't that something I had to cross over?
I had to cross over.
Yeah, I actually had one more Iwanted to mention for my
because, when I started to thinkabout it, who really got me
into jazz.
It was Ella Fitzgerald.
You know, I was introduced toher music and it might have been
(20:40):
elementary school, and I justwas so fascinated with her voice
.
You know how she was like therange and then the scatting, and
I just thought it was so dope.
So from there I just kind ofwent down a rabbit hole.
She has a lot of really reallygood music like soulful
introspective yeah.
(21:00):
So if anybody hasn't taken thetime to listen to that,
definitely got to check that out.
You're doing yourself adisservice.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Classic classic music .
If you do that, you got tothrow in Miss Lena Horne, you
got to throw in Miss Hathaway.
Just so much talent, just rawtalent, At the same time very
polished.
Like folks wasn't playing backthen man Like ain't no five, six
(21:30):
do-overs, Nah.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Take a break.
They not making them like thatanymore.
That's why it feels so good tohear it.
It's so refreshing to go backand listen to some of that older
music from decades ago.
It's really good.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yeah for sure.
And even today's music.
I got a shout out because Iwent to a concert a few months
ago.
Um, samara, joy is isdefinitely in that vein.
Now that that classic, justgood, hearty talent, pure talent
(22:16):
.
So, uh, so shout out to, uh, toall the ladies doing their
thing and continually doingtheir thing.
So you know, again, this is arabbit hole that we're not going
to go through, because now yougot rappers, I mean you got hip
hop.
You know we can go down here.
Honorable mention got to beQueen Latifah.
Oh, of course I think that sheMC.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Lyte, lil' Kim, even Nicki man.
You got to give Nicki Minajsome cred.
Oh, of course, the modern well,really, I mean the female rap
wave.
Like I said, women had justbeen dominating in sports, music
, politics and you know, nickikind of was really early on that
.
Now, of course, you know, youhad Lil' Kim, but there was a
(23:11):
gap, right, there was a gap.
And then Nicki came on thescene and just kind of blew the
spot open and then, you know,the floodgates opened and now we
got women topping the charts inhip-hop.
So it's a great thing.
You can definitely see theinspiration there.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Cause and effect cause and effect, cause and
effect.
So you know, continuing withthe um, women's appreciation, uh
, what's another topic that wecan we can kind of wrap this up
with jay that you think would beimportant, uh, to acknowledge
this episode I think a goodtopic, um, just wrapping it up
(23:54):
is um, how can us men supportand uplift women?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
um, you know, women go through a lot of challenges,
um, especially dealing with um.
Just, you know, especially likein the media and things like
that.
Social media like, there's alot of things that they face on
a daily basis that you know theyask for support, they ask for
(24:25):
help, they ask to to be seen inways, and I think that us men
just being more involved,actively listening to their
experience, validating theirfeelings, because us men a lot
of times we'll be like if wedon't really understand it, it's
(24:49):
not making sense, then we pushthat to the side, it's on the
back burner, we're not trippingoff of that.
Push that to the side, it's onthe back burner, we're not
tripping off of that.
But definitely we got tovalidate their feelings, and
that goes from personal andprofessional spaces, in other
(25:12):
words, just being theirsupportive, being an ally, being
a person that they can confidein a safe space, so to speak,
and just standing up even whenthey're not in the room.
You know what I'm saying,because that's another thing.
You know, we can reallyalleviate a lot of the
(25:34):
negativity if we continue tosupport while they're not around
.
You know it's got to be acontinual and perpetual thing,
just the same way that weshouldn't just carve out one
month to say we appreciate andwe love our women.
You know we shouldn't juststand up and pander when they're
around just to, you know, kindof try to get their good graces.
(25:57):
No, we got to be about it 24-7.
So I think that's the mainthing when it comes to, you know
, just supporting and upliftingthem.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah, yeah, that's good.
All I can do is really justsalute.
You know what you just said.
That's a major thing beingpresent, being there, supportive
(26:28):
, whether you are, you know, inthe same room or, if you are,
you know, are just representingfrom afar.
I think that's really good, andI think that it's also key that
we communicate with them thatthey have the support.
You know.
Sometimes they need thataffirmation, they need that
(26:51):
confirmation that somebody hastheir back.
That would help them, you know,get out of their comfort zone
or at least feel morecomfortable in what they're
doing.
So you know.
So, again, salute to all of theamazing women.
We salute you, not only Women'sAppreci, but um every single
(27:17):
day.
So be encouraged, keep doingwhat you're doing and um and
yeah, we love you and appreciateyou.
So, uh, yeah, jay, that's ourshow man.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Um, so we love the ladies, we love the ladies.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Look, check us out next episode.
Uh, we appreciate you guys Onceagain, if you got questions and
want to share some otherinformation, hit us on the
website.
That's what the website's therefor.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Give them that information real quick, jay, you
already know if this is notyour first time listening, then
you know to go towwwpopsandsunconversationscom.
That's going to be a one-stopshop.
You can find our social mediathere.
Uh, instagram is pops and sunconversations, tiktok, pops and
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(28:03):
It's a little difference there.
But, like I said, if you wantto get in tune, if you want to
get all the information that youneed, go to pops and sun
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Concerns comments about theshow, what you like, what you
dislike, what you want to hear,questions, experiences.
Whatever you got, throw it atus, because we're here for y'all
(28:26):
and we appreciate you listening, checking in with us every week
, and so that's what we got fory'all.
Man, we'll see y'all next time.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
All right, blessings we out Peace.
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