May 1, 2025 • 42 mins
Breaking the silence around mental health starts with honesty. How often do we respond with "I'm blessed" when someone asks how we're doing, even while struggling inside? This automatic deflection prevents authentic connection and leaves many suffering alone behind carefully constructed facades.
During Mental Health Awareness Month, we're tackling the persistent stigma surrounding mental health, particularly within the Black community. Growing up, these conversations were virtually non-existent—mental health challenges were disguised with vague terms like someone being "touched" or "different" without acknowledging the underlying issues.
We explore the crucial distinction between mental health and mental illness. Everyone has mental health that requires maintenance, just like physical health—it fluctuates daily and needs consistent care. Mental illness involves clinical conditions requiring professional intervention. The danger comes when we conflate these concepts, either dismissing genuine struggles or self-diagnosing without proper assessment.
Therapy and counseling should be normalized as regular components of a healthy lifestyle, not reserved for crisis situations. Think of it as mental hygiene—as essential as brushing your teeth. With today's evolution of mental health resources, support is more accessible than ever, from traditional therapy to mindfulness apps and online communities.
Healing isn't linear—it's messy, unpredictable, and sometimes cyclical. Triggers can unexpectedly transport us back to painful experiences, but growth comes from acknowledging these moments without letting them define us. Whether through tears, walking away, or a cathartic emotional release, the goal remains freedom from past patterns that no longer serve us.
Join our journey through Mental Health Awareness Month and share your experiences through our website or social media. Together, we can create spaces where vulnerability meets compassion, chip away at stigma, and embrace the truth that while silence kills, healing begins with breaking that silence.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
okay, guys, welcome back to another amazing episode
of pops and son conversations.
And, of course, this is yourfavorite silver fox, raw maloy
and double check and check again.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
is son checked three times?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yes indeed, javen.
How are you feeling today, man?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, I feel good, you know, just taking it day by
day.
You know, every day I look atit as you know a new experience,
a new journey and just anotheropportunity to keep pushing
forward and kind of build buildupon that pyramid.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
you know yeah, yeah, man, that was profound.
You've been meditating andlevitating hey, you know come.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
You know, meditation is funny.
I think we all, I think peopledon't understand that they they
meditate sometimes without evenreally knowing it, because it's
just so many different ways todo it.
All meditation is it's reallyjust, you know, focusing on
oneness, focusing on self andjust carving out that time out
(01:16):
of day that you just kind ofdon't worry about anything or
stress about anything.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, yeah, very intentional and purposeful.
With your energy, I can dig it,everybody welcome.
It's May 1st and it isofficially mental health
awareness month, and so we havea fun filled episode for you.
(01:45):
We also have a prettyincredible lineup this entire
month with topics, subjects,realness, transparencies and
truth, and so today, obviously,we're going to get things
started with this mental healthawareness journey, which is so
vital and so important.
(02:06):
Man, I know that we'll uncovera lot of things and you know,
ideally, it's to make a greatimpact, to be thought-provoking
for you guys as well, as youknow, just an opportunity to
really talk about some realthings.
So what direction do you wantto go today, jay, when we're
talking about mental health?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Well, I think before we really kind of dig into it,
we should, you know, just kindof cover a little bit about why
we don't talk about it enough.
You know, you know, especiallylike in our community, the black
community, you know, I remember, you know, growing up, I just
recently started seeing stuffabout all this.
You know, I remember, you know,growing up, I just recently
started seeing stuff about allthis.
(02:47):
You know, mental health stuffand just kind of being mindful
and things like that.
And as I reflect on mychildhood, you know a lot of a
lot of uh, you know, growing upit was like that wasn't really,
that wasn't really talked aboutand I wonder why that is.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, that's a really good question really talked
about and I wonder why that is.
Yeah, that's a really goodquestion and I wish I had to
answer because, you know, evenwith uh, with my dad and my uh,
my parents and their parents,you know, talking about mental
health really was pretty muchnon-existent.
We knew that some people youknow were dealing with some
(03:28):
things, but it was neveraddressed.
We would just say, you knowcrazy stuff, like yeah, that
woman is touched or that man istouched or there's something
different about them, and youreally never knew what was going
on with them mentally.
But you knew that there weresome type of challenges.
And having some openconversations I think would have
(03:51):
helped because, number one, therealization everybody goes
through something.
You know they may expressthemselves differently, they may
(04:16):
respond differently, buteverybody goes through something
, know their, their mentalhealth and those challenges and
how to find some type of resolve, some type of safe space to,
you know, have some conversation.
And it's really challengingbecause we've been in a society
(04:36):
that judges expression, thatdealing with taboo topics and
and and really, uh, having thoseconversations where people just
need to, sometimes they justneed to get certain things off
because they they may feel like,well, you know what, the way
that I'm thinking, something maybe wrong with me, you know.
(04:58):
uh, you know maybe it's me, butif they can express themselves
in a safe space and actuallyhave some people be a sounding
board, not necessarily askingfor advice and what should I do
and things like that, but reallyjust listen I've experienced
(05:21):
this too then, man, that wouldmake such a big difference for
people to just not have so muchanxiety, not have so much shame,
and and really be able toprogress when it comes to just
dealing with mental healthissues.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, yes, it's, it's important Like, just like you
said, like just just stay in it,Right, just actually having, um
, you know the wherewithal tojust go ahead and come out and
just express it, you know,because other people can connect
with that.
Like it could be, it could besomething that's just so simple
as saying I'm not okay, like,why does that?
(06:04):
Why does that seem like such ahard statement?
Sometimes just to come out andsay you know what you know
mentally, I'm struggling rightnow, I'm not doing good, I'm
going through something like wegot to.
We got to get into the habit ofputting those conversations to
the forefront.
We talk about everything elseunder the sun.
We can gossip.
(06:25):
We can talk about your politicsand the dating and whatever it
is under the sun money, sex,even.
We put that on blast but peoplearen't being honest about where
they are mentally and kind of,and which is crazy, because
(06:47):
there's so much that gets lostin translation, because you
don't know what a person isgoing through in their mind,
like there's no way that wecould.
You know, we're not mindreaders, so we can only go off
of what we see, how you interact, and you know it's people that
will hide and mask how theyreally feeling on the inside,
(07:07):
and it's only a detriment tothem, because all along you
going and you know, acting likeeverything is all good, so
everybody's treating you likeeverything is all good.
And then you wonder why youknow you feel isolated or you
feel alone.
But just speaking up and beingable to vocalize and say, you
know what, you know, I know youlove me, I love you.
(07:28):
This conversation, right nowit's hard for me to have this
conversation because I'mstruggling mentally, like it
could be that simple.
And then that person is like, oh, wow, you know, it's a light
bulb that comes on and theymight not have even known.
You know, because we all, likewe say we all got that that one
strong friend or that strongperson in the family, um, you
(07:51):
know, and you never see themcrack or fold or anything like
that.
But you know everybody goesthrough through, um, you know,
some type of mental anguish oror or just um, however they feel
, even about themselves, evenwhen on the outside it looks
like everything you know isgoing, is going.
Good man, people, people arebattling.
(08:14):
So I think the conversationabout I don't know if, if, if we
scared about it, we just it,just, it just isn't um, it just
isn't practiced, because maybewe just didn't have that
tradition to go about it.
And so moving forward that's oneof the things that should be
(08:35):
highlighted is being able to sayyou know what I'm mental, some
mental wounds.
Right now it's really a lotgoing on in my head and I'm
trying to figure some things outand just put it on front street
because just that instanceright there, you know you being
(08:58):
able to communicate, that itsaves you so much more.
You know time and drama andspace in it and you really,
honestly, I think once we startdoing that more, the
relationships become stronger,we get closer to these people
because you know we're notlooking at them as you know.
It kind of humanizes you more.
(09:20):
It reminds you like oh wait,yeah, I know I have stuff that I
think about in my head or I'mgoing through whatever, but yeah
, they, like you said, likepeople can relate to that.
And it reminds you like yo, weare human, we all have these
things going on and it's OK totalk about them.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, that's, that's some really good points.
You know, when we talk abouthistorically how we've dealt
with expressions and you knowsome type of mental relief.
I would even take it.
I'm going to do something alittle unorthodox here.
I'm going to take it to to thereligion aspect of it.
(10:00):
I'm going to take it to to thereligion aspect of it.
So if you think about the, theCatholic religion, you know they
would have the, they would haveconfessionals, all right, so so
they would have an opportunityto feel like they were not going
to be judged, because you know,they go into an area to where
(10:23):
the rabbi can't see them Right,and so they could just kind of
get off everything that they hadgoing on.
Like, I don't know what theconfessions were, I don't know
if they were confessing aboutcrimes, I don't know if they
were just, you know, expressingthemselves about personal issues
, health issues, whatever thecase is, but they had an
(10:43):
opportunity to release and Ithink that that is something
that health issues, whatever thecase is, but they had an
opportunity to release and Ithink that that is something
that, um, you know to your pointwhen you talked about you know
different methods of of tryingto, uh, find ways to deal with
your issues.
You know, I think that uh was apretty effective method.
(11:03):
Now, when you talk more so, um,in the, you know Brown, uh
black, you know the melanatedcommunity, um, it wasn't like
that.
It wasn't like that.
Matter of fact.
You know, if you dare saysomething, it may.
The word may get around town.
Like trying to figure out, likeI thought I was speaking in
(11:23):
confidence.
Now, everybody know my business, you know, and so I.
I think that that is a directcorrelation of why some people
are very resistant to uh, toexpress themselves.
And and I think that also alittle bit later on in life
we've we figured out that wehave to have some type of refuge
(11:47):
therapy, some type ofcounseling, just because we need
to find different ways anddifferent tools to be able to
deal with with our issues.
Now we don't even really have tosay mental issues, because you
know issues can become mental.
To say mental issues becauseyou know issues can become
(12:08):
mental, they can becomeemotional issues, and just being
able to be able to navigate andfind ways to navigate better,
express ourselves and you know.
So I feel like we've come along way.
I do believe that we haveidentified it, but I also think
that we're at a point now wherewe have to go beyond that and be
a lot more effective.
You know, within our householdfirst, and then, in addition to
(12:31):
that, the community, because now, of course, there's a lot of
mental health initiatives, thankGod, but but at the same time,
it's also become trendy, jayyeah everybody wants to be a
mental health advocate.
(12:52):
I shouldn't be laughing, man,but it's.
It's almost trendy, likeeverybody's talking about.
They have a, they're a mentalhealth advocate.
But you know what are the truesteps that you've taken to be a
true alliance, a true person ofimpact?
When it comes to that, besidesjust giving yourself a title?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, yeah, pop, I agree with you and you made a
really, really good point and Ididn't even think about it.
Folks don't want their businessout there like that.
That's a big reason as to whyyou might not feel comfortable
(13:36):
with speaking about what's goingon.
But, like you said, it'sdifferent.
You know methods now, differentprograms, and we just got to.
We just.
My thing is, it's just aboutgetting it out right.
So you know that you knowholding things in, you know
(13:56):
stressing about things, stuff ofthat nature, is not healthy for
you.
Silence is a killer.
But you also silence.
You can heal.
So healing can't live insilence.
(14:19):
That's what I'm trying to say.
There's no way that you can getbetter by just thinking that,
you know, or else it's not goingto end good.
So therapy is definitely,definitely, you know, an asset
(14:47):
to you.
If you feel like that and atthis point there's a lot, a lot,
a lot of different, you knowjust different ways to get into
therapy.
Like, I think we also have tounderstand that therapy.
You know when we think aboutthat.
We think about, you know, goingin, you know sitting on the
couch and the therapist got hisyou know his little notebook out
(15:08):
and he writing notes about you.
But you know this is a new year, it's a new day.
You know therapy has evolvedimmensely, so there's a lot of
different ways that you canexercise your brain and exercise
.
You know stress and your mentalhealth.
You know there's differentmindfulness apps that you can
(15:29):
use.
You know what I'm saying.
That kind of helps you keeptrack of good habits that you
want to continue to maintain.
That could be good for for uhde-stressors and things like
that.
There's, you know, different uhgroups and things like that.
You could join online withpeople, like-minded people, that
(15:49):
are trying to, you know, do thesame thing and uh, exercise,
you know, and and keep theirmental health going good.
You know diet is also likethere's.
You just have to have to do alittle bit of research.
But the thing is is you can't.
You know you're not going to beable to do it alone.
You know what I mean.
At the end of the day, you'regoing to need some type of
(16:12):
system of support.
You know when you're dealingwith these things and you've got
to reach out, you know it'sit's not always going to be
somebody that will, um, you know, have, you know, be be handing
you a flyer or something likethat.
You got to put a little work inand kind of help, help people,
help you.
You know, and I know that canbe difficult as well.
(16:34):
You know, uh, you know, withmental health sometimes we deal
with depression and sometimes wedeal with anxiety and isolation
and things like this.
But the first step is going tobe really recognizing what's
going on.
And even that can be hard, likeyou know.
Personally speaking, when Ireflect and I look back on just
(16:55):
different times in my life, I'mlike you know, I probably was,
you know was kind of goingthrough some things and not just
really speaking about it orkind of just putting it on the
back burner as far as trying todeal with it.
But it becomes apparent whenyou kind of look at different
moments in your life and you'relike you know, during this phase
(17:16):
of my life I felt a differentway, like how do I not
necessarily how do I get back toit, but how do I identify what
that was and how I can combatthat?
You know what I mean.
So you'll have different hintsand just different you know
indicators of what state youknow your mental health is in
(17:38):
and it's a constant you and it'sa constant nurture.
It's a constant thing ofchecking in on yourself and
checking in on people around you, because a big part about it is
the company that you keeparound you.
You want to have people thatyou check on as well as people
that check in on you.
(18:04):
It's one of those games whereyou know the more that you pour
out into other people and youget that back, it helps with the
wholeness.
It helps with you know feeling,your sense, your sensibilities
in the world and where you are,sense your sensibilities in the
world and where you are.
So, um, that's another thingthat that I would encourage
people to do is just kind ofseek, um, you know,
relationships that are going toto help elevate you and and help
(18:29):
keep your you know your mindsetin the right spot.
It's so easy to get caught up.
And then another big thing isjust like you know that the
isolation like I feel like a lotof people that go through these
mental health problems anddepression and things like that
you know the big, the biggest,the biggest enemy a lot of times
is yourself.
You know your biggest enemy canbe yourself.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, let's, let's address this, because you you
dropped a whole bomb just now.
So I want to back up just alittle bit and and really kind
of reel this thing back in Now.
I think that we have to talkabout what's been normalized.
And what's been normalized is,like you mentioned before, you
(19:19):
know people just being verypassive.
Think, think about this, thinkabout whenever you ask somebody,
just generally speaking, youknow, hey, how you doing, how
you been.
Now in our community it has beenvery prevalent for people to
automatically say, hey, I'mblessed, I'm blessed, I'm
blessed, I'm highly favored,like that's, that's the thing,
(19:41):
and a lot of times that that's acover up, because that's what
you want people to believe.
And if you continue to saythose things, then you know,
maybe it will come into fruition.
But if you think about it, ifhow many people are really
honest and transparent about youknow how things are going and
you don't have to deep dive intoyour personal business, but you
(20:04):
can just truly be like, hey,you know what, I've had better
days, you know a lot is going onright now, and if a person
could be that transparent, thenthose are opportunities for
people to be more supportive.
But if you just tell me, oh,everything's good, I'm blessed,
I think, who?
(20:24):
Everything's fine, then do whatam I going to say?
Like I'm not going to challengeyou and be like, okay, what's
what's really happening?
Like I see the smile, but it'ssomething behind it.
You don't want to be diagnosingfolks, right?
That's cool.
But I do think that, you know,in our communities we do have to
be a little bit moretransparent, and I think that
(20:45):
it's okay to do that because,man, we've been having the front
like it's all good for so longin our lives and in our lifetime
We've had to pretend and putsmiles on our faces, whether it
be for the kids, whether it befor family members, whether it's
coworkers and, like youmentioned, a lot of people are
suffering in silence and that'skind of where things are.
(21:08):
So that's why I wanted to, youknow, really sit back in and
address just the whole, like areyou really good?
And what that does when we,when we say that and we're not,
uh, and so we don't giveindividuals an opportunity to
support us, it doesn't allow usto be heard and it also doesn't
(21:31):
really give you any type of, youknow, opportunity to have some
type of relief.
So let me ask you this, jay.
So how do you feel about umtherapy, um counseling, because
you mentioned that you.
You weren't familiar with itand in our communities it hasn't
(21:53):
been a big thing, or it was.
It was taboo.
No-transcript.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
No.
So I think that, like Imentioned earlier, I feel like
everybody on some level isdealing with some type of trauma
.
So I don't think it's ever likea threshold or a moment in time
that you should wait.
I think we should all activelybe doing some type of form of
therapy.
It's just like brushing yourteeth and washing your face.
(22:34):
It's a part of your mentalhealth hygiene, right?
I think that it goes in tandemwith that.
You know, because you knowotherwise you're just kind of
covering up and you're justgoing around, you know, not
really understanding yourselfand understanding why you may be
(22:55):
feeling a certain type of way.
So I think everybody shouldexercise it, just like we all
should be.
You know, exercising periodit's just one more component of,
you know, just leading ahealthy life overall.
So now I think you know and yousaid it's become, you know,
kind of trendy now, but you knowit's good and bad Like it's
(23:18):
good because you know people arebecoming more aware.
So I think that highlighting itis good and maybe more people
will be exposed or at least havea thought of maybe I should try
therapy, or maybe you know theyheard somebody talk about it
and it wasn't that bad, you know, especially in our community.
Try therapy, or maybe you knowthey heard somebody talk about
(23:38):
it.
It wasn't that bad, you know,especially in our community.
So I think that, yeah, I thinkI think across the board, like
there's no, there's no drawbacks.
Everybody should do it, atleast once you know, or find
some type of method and lookinto it.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, yeah, I think if we can normalize it and make
it, you know, something that'sautomatically beneficial because
it's new.
You know something that'sautomatically beneficial because
it's new, you know, we can findnew methods.
We can find, you know, newtools on how to deal with the
stress and things like that.
I think that we should alsojust briefly kind of dig into
(24:13):
the fact of of the differencebetween mental health and mental
illness.
You know, mental health is isjust like physical health, it's
just like financial health, it'sjust like spiritual health.
We have to continue to dothings.
It's going to be a benefit toour mental right.
(24:36):
So health means being veryintentional on, you know, doing
certain exercise or havinghealthy habits and healthy
routine.
Talk a little bit about what youfeel like the difference, or
the biggest difference, betweenmental health and mental illness
.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, so mental health and mental illness
obviously not the same thing.
Mental health is something weall have, right, we all.
Like you said, it's just likephysical health Some days your
health is good, you feelgrounded, balanced, focused.
Other days you might be anxiousor burnt out.
You know, tired, numb, justlike your body gets tired, just
(25:16):
like you know your mind can getworn down in the same way.
So that's your mental health,right, it's like I was saying
earlier, it's like an everydaymaintenance type of thing.
Mental illness, on the otherhand, you know that goes deeper.
That's what we talk about.
You know, clinical diagnosis of, you know, like, bipolar
(25:37):
disorder, ptsd, schizophrenia,things like that, anxiety
disorders and that stuff.
That's not something that justkind of comes and goes.
It.
That's when it kind of takesover and it becomes, you know,
like, like, like a, like a moreof a disorder, like personality
disorder type of thing.
(25:57):
But the problem, I think, a lotof times is, um, you know people
hear someone say they'restruggling mentally and they,
you know they, they kind of wantto throw one of those, one of
those things on them.
Um, and I think that's kind ofwhere, where stigma comes from,
where we talk about peopleturning, you know, their pain
(26:18):
and stuff like that into labelsand things like that.
So we do have to be carefulwhen we talk about, you know,
the difference of mental healthand mental illness, because
there is a big difference andyou don't want to go, you know,
labeling yourself as one thingwhen you haven't really you know
what I'm saying gotten thatclinical diagnosis.
But, like I said, fatigue,burnout, tired, numb, you know,
(26:43):
we just kind of got to changethe vocab around when we talk
about mental health and not getthem confused.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, that's, that's powerful, even even tampering
with the word depression.
A lot of people, a lot ofpeople, self-diagnose.
There's a clinical depressionwhich obviously needs treatment.
(27:11):
I'm, I'm depressed and I'm in afunk and they use, you know
different, different buzzwordsto describe where they're at.
But you know, jay, a lot oftimes, man, when you hear a
person say that the interestingpart is they feel like they can
pull themselves out of it, oh,I'm a funk, I just, you know,
(27:32):
I've been depressed about so,I've been stressed out, I'll be
OK, right, so there's no plan ofaction on how to help um right,
you know you're trying toconvince yourself that, uh,
you'll be okay and obviously,through that method, it's almost
like okay, well, what are yougonna do?
like, that's how people develop.
(27:52):
You know, certain vices yeah,I'll be okay.
I just, you know, need a drinkor eat, or I just need, you know
, look at some porn or whateverthe case is, and, and those
aren't healthy habits.
Nor are there actually, umpositive ways to uh, to treat
what you're going through and,uh, man, that's so key.
(28:14):
I'm glad that you was able tobreak it down.
Uh, when we talk about mentalhealth, which again is the
maintenance, and then, uh,mental illness is obviously
something that that has to betreated, and that's where you
have to have a professional.
You can't go to your bestie andyour bestie talking about, uh,
(28:36):
okay, you know what, I knowexactly what you need, girl.
I know what you need, homie,all right, so we're going to get
toe up this weekend and you'regoing to be all right Yo, that's
the last thing you need.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yo come on.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Isn't that wild, uh, man.
So look, before we wrap thisthing up, man, I still got a
couple of things I want us toaddress and those of you that
are checking out this very firstepisode yes, it is May 2025 and
, and guess what, it is mentalhealth awareness month, so we're
(29:11):
dealing with that all monthlong.
So you know, there's so manythings that we could talk about,
so many different directions wecan go, but I do want to deal
with two more things before wewrap this thing up, and one of
them is talking about traumasand triggers and really what
that whole healing process lookslike.
So, jay, I want you to to kindof navigate through traumas and
(29:34):
triggers you know, through yourperspective, and then how to to
navigate through that wholeprocess.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, so this is a good one.
Um, you know traumas andtriggers, which both are, have
become you know, uh, words, thatthat that we use commonly
nowadays, um, yeah, but you knowpeople talk about healing like
(30:03):
it's uh, um, like it's astraight path, like once you
decide to do better, everythinglines up and you know the sun
comes up.
But you know, healing is messy,it's layered and it's a journey
.
Um, uh, it could be a loop, aspiral sometimes.
All of that, um, and you know,sometimes we think we good, and
(30:24):
then somebody might saysomething, or you smell
something, or you hear a certaintone and boom, you right back.
You know you right back whereyou started.
You triggered, um, you trigger.
(30:46):
But the thing about trauma alot of times it's not going to
ask you or it's not going togive you any indication of when
it's going to pop back up.
You know, it's one of thosethings that just kind of hits
like a reflex.
So the healing, you know,healing is like having the
courage to look at that pain,that trauma.
You know, face it head on andsay, look, I see it, I feel you,
(31:06):
but you're not a part of meanymore.
You know you don't define me,yeah, and another thing about it
is healing isn't going to be.
It's not going to be.
You know, it ain't always gotto be something that's super
vocal.
You know what I'm saying.
You could, healing could justbe, hey man, you know sometimes
(31:28):
healing is crying.
You know, sometimes healing isjust walking away.
Or one of the terms that Ilearned is the catharsis, which
is like a grand release ofemotions.
So sometimes you got to gothrough that catharsis to really
come to a point ofunderstanding and healing.
But triggers are one of thosethings that you're just going to
(31:54):
have to deal with and kind offace head on.
You know what I mean.
It's all a part of the process.
It's all a part of the healingprocess.
So don't feel bad if you dohave triggers as a response to
your traumas.
But healing it looks like justfacing all of those things
facing your traumas, facing yourtriggers and getting a hold of
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it and really, um, you know,starting that process, man, that
process to freedom.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Right, right, and that's a.
That's a great point.
I was going to say something asfar as being able to, uh,
release some things, because wehold onto some things because we
haven't dealt with them, and um, ultimately, that's what we
want.
We want to be free.
We want to be free from dealingwith things of the past that
(32:43):
aren't benefiting our future andpresent, and just kind of being
free, and a freedom to expressyourself and not hold them back.
And you know, again, one ofthose phrases that we've learned
to love is being apologeticallyyourself, you know, and so I
think that's healthy.
Those are definitely some, somemethods that we should look
(33:06):
forward to and not be afraid tonavigate through that.
So I think that's beautiful.
Look, let's.
We'll continue this actualconversation.
We have so much more that wewant to deal with, so much more
we want to tackle.
If you guys are listening tothis and you have some ideas,
some things that you want toshare, feel free to check out
(33:28):
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Let us know that you'relistening to the Mental Health
Awareness Month episodes and youknow we look forward to getting
that feedback from you guys.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
That's it, pops and Son Conversations.
A lot more to come.
You guys Make sure you go toour website and get all that
info.
You know it's always a goodtime here.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yes, indeed.
So signing off your favoriteSilver Fox, rob Malloy.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Hey, Javin, check three times.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yo and we'll see you guys next episode.
Pops and Son Conversations.
Be safe out there and we'll seeyou soon Peace.
okay, guys, welcome back to another amazing episode
of pops and son conversations.
And, of course, this is yourfavorite silver fox, raw maloy
and double check and check again.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
is son checked three times?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yes indeed, javen.
How are you feeling today, man?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, I feel good, you know, just taking it day by
day.
You know, every day I look atit as you know a new experience,
a new journey and just anotheropportunity to keep pushing
forward and kind of build buildupon that pyramid.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
you know yeah, yeah, man, that was profound.
You've been meditating andlevitating hey, you know come.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
You know, meditation is funny.
I think we all, I think peopledon't understand that they they
meditate sometimes without evenreally knowing it, because it's
just so many different ways todo it.
All meditation is it's reallyjust, you know, focusing on
oneness, focusing on self andjust carving out that time out
(01:16):
of day that you just kind ofdon't worry about anything or
stress about anything.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, yeah, very intentional and purposeful.
With your energy, I can dig it,everybody welcome.
It's May 1st and it isofficially mental health
awareness month, and so we havea fun filled episode for you.
(01:45):
We also have a prettyincredible lineup this entire
month with topics, subjects,realness, transparencies and
truth, and so today, obviously,we're going to get things
started with this mental healthawareness journey, which is so
vital and so important.
(02:06):
Man, I know that we'll uncovera lot of things and you know,
ideally, it's to make a greatimpact, to be thought-provoking
for you guys as well, as youknow, just an opportunity to
really talk about some realthings.
So what direction do you wantto go today, jay, when we're
talking about mental health?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Well, I think before we really kind of dig into it,
we should, you know, just kindof cover a little bit about why
we don't talk about it enough.
You know, you know, especiallylike in our community, the black
community, you know, I remember, you know, growing up, I just
recently started seeing stuffabout all this.
You know, I remember, you know,growing up, I just recently
started seeing stuff about allthis.
(02:47):
You know, mental health stuffand just kind of being mindful
and things like that.
And as I reflect on mychildhood, you know a lot of a
lot of uh, you know, growing upit was like that wasn't really,
that wasn't really talked aboutand I wonder why that is.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, that's a really good question really talked
about and I wonder why that is.
Yeah, that's a really goodquestion and I wish I had to
answer because, you know, evenwith uh, with my dad and my uh,
my parents and their parents,you know, talking about mental
health really was pretty muchnon-existent.
We knew that some people youknow were dealing with some
(03:28):
things, but it was neveraddressed.
We would just say, you knowcrazy stuff, like yeah, that
woman is touched or that man istouched or there's something
different about them, and youreally never knew what was going
on with them mentally.
But you knew that there weresome type of challenges.
And having some openconversations I think would have
(03:51):
helped because, number one, therealization everybody goes
through something.
You know they may expressthemselves differently, they may
(04:16):
respond differently, buteverybody goes through something
, know their, their mentalhealth and those challenges and
how to find some type of resolve, some type of safe space to,
you know, have some conversation.
And it's really challengingbecause we've been in a society
(04:36):
that judges expression, thatdealing with taboo topics and
and and really, uh, having thoseconversations where people just
need to, sometimes they justneed to get certain things off
because they they may feel like,well, you know what, the way
that I'm thinking, something maybe wrong with me, you know.
(04:58):
uh, you know maybe it's me, butif they can express themselves
in a safe space and actuallyhave some people be a sounding
board, not necessarily askingfor advice and what should I do
and things like that, but reallyjust listen I've experienced
(05:21):
this too then, man, that wouldmake such a big difference for
people to just not have so muchanxiety, not have so much shame,
and and really be able toprogress when it comes to just
dealing with mental healthissues.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, yes, it's, it's important Like, just like you
said, like just just stay in it,Right, just actually having, um
, you know the wherewithal tojust go ahead and come out and
just express it, you know,because other people can connect
with that.
Like it could be, it could besomething that's just so simple
as saying I'm not okay, like,why does that?
(06:04):
Why does that seem like such ahard statement?
Sometimes just to come out andsay you know what you know
mentally, I'm struggling rightnow, I'm not doing good, I'm
going through something like wegot to.
We got to get into the habit ofputting those conversations to
the forefront.
We talk about everything elseunder the sun.
We can gossip.
(06:25):
We can talk about your politicsand the dating and whatever it
is under the sun money, sex,even.
We put that on blast but peoplearen't being honest about where
they are mentally and kind of,and which is crazy, because
(06:47):
there's so much that gets lostin translation, because you
don't know what a person isgoing through in their mind,
like there's no way that wecould.
You know, we're not mindreaders, so we can only go off
of what we see, how you interact, and you know it's people that
will hide and mask how theyreally feeling on the inside,
(07:07):
and it's only a detriment tothem, because all along you
going and you know, acting likeeverything is all good, so
everybody's treating you likeeverything is all good.
And then you wonder why youknow you feel isolated or you
feel alone.
But just speaking up and beingable to vocalize and say, you
know what, you know, I know youlove me, I love you.
(07:28):
This conversation, right nowit's hard for me to have this
conversation because I'mstruggling mentally, like it
could be that simple.
And then that person is like, oh, wow, you know, it's a light
bulb that comes on and theymight not have even known.
You know, because we all, likewe say we all got that that one
strong friend or that strongperson in the family, um, you
(07:51):
know, and you never see themcrack or fold or anything like
that.
But you know everybody goesthrough through, um, you know,
some type of mental anguish oror or just um, however they feel
, even about themselves, evenwhen on the outside it looks
like everything you know isgoing, is going.
Good man, people, people arebattling.
(08:14):
So I think the conversationabout I don't know if, if, if we
scared about it, we just it,just, it just isn't um, it just
isn't practiced, because maybewe just didn't have that
tradition to go about it.
And so moving forward that's oneof the things that should be
(08:35):
highlighted is being able to sayyou know what I'm mental, some
mental wounds.
Right now it's really a lotgoing on in my head and I'm
trying to figure some things outand just put it on front street
because just that instanceright there, you know you being
(08:58):
able to communicate, that itsaves you so much more.
You know time and drama andspace in it and you really,
honestly, I think once we startdoing that more, the
relationships become stronger,we get closer to these people
because you know we're notlooking at them as you know.
It kind of humanizes you more.
(09:20):
It reminds you like oh wait,yeah, I know I have stuff that I
think about in my head or I'mgoing through whatever, but yeah
, they, like you said, likepeople can relate to that.
And it reminds you like yo, weare human, we all have these
things going on and it's OK totalk about them.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, that's, that's some really good points.
You know, when we talk abouthistorically how we've dealt
with expressions and you knowsome type of mental relief.
I would even take it.
I'm going to do something alittle unorthodox here.
I'm going to take it to to thereligion aspect of it.
(10:00):
I'm going to take it to to thereligion aspect of it.
So if you think about the, theCatholic religion, you know they
would have the, they would haveconfessionals, all right, so so
they would have an opportunityto feel like they were not going
to be judged, because you know,they go into an area to where
(10:23):
the rabbi can't see them Right,and so they could just kind of
get off everything that they hadgoing on.
Like, I don't know what theconfessions were, I don't know
if they were confessing aboutcrimes, I don't know if they
were just, you know, expressingthemselves about personal issues
, health issues, whatever thecase is, but they had an
(10:43):
opportunity to release and Ithink that that is something
that health issues, whatever thecase is, but they had an
opportunity to release and Ithink that that is something
that, um, you know to your pointwhen you talked about you know
different methods of of tryingto, uh, find ways to deal with
your issues.
You know, I think that uh was apretty effective method.
(11:03):
Now, when you talk more so, um,in the, you know Brown, uh
black, you know the melanatedcommunity, um, it wasn't like
that.
It wasn't like that.
Matter of fact.
You know, if you dare saysomething, it may.
The word may get around town.
Like trying to figure out, likeI thought I was speaking in
(11:23):
confidence.
Now, everybody know my business, you know, and so I.
I think that that is a directcorrelation of why some people
are very resistant to uh, toexpress themselves.
And and I think that also alittle bit later on in life
we've we figured out that wehave to have some type of refuge
(11:47):
therapy, some type ofcounseling, just because we need
to find different ways anddifferent tools to be able to
deal with with our issues.
Now we don't even really have tosay mental issues, because you
know issues can become mental.
To say mental issues becauseyou know issues can become
(12:08):
mental, they can becomeemotional issues, and just being
able to be able to navigate andfind ways to navigate better,
express ourselves and you know.
So I feel like we've come along way.
I do believe that we haveidentified it, but I also think
that we're at a point now wherewe have to go beyond that and be
a lot more effective.
You know, within our householdfirst, and then, in addition to
(12:31):
that, the community, because now, of course, there's a lot of
mental health initiatives, thankGod, but but at the same time,
it's also become trendy, jayyeah everybody wants to be a
mental health advocate.
(12:52):
I shouldn't be laughing, man,but it's.
It's almost trendy, likeeverybody's talking about.
They have a, they're a mentalhealth advocate.
But you know what are the truesteps that you've taken to be a
true alliance, a true person ofimpact?
When it comes to that, besidesjust giving yourself a title?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, yeah, pop, I agree with you and you made a
really, really good point and Ididn't even think about it.
Folks don't want their businessout there like that.
That's a big reason as to whyyou might not feel comfortable
(13:36):
with speaking about what's goingon.
But, like you said, it'sdifferent.
You know methods now, differentprograms, and we just got to.
We just.
My thing is, it's just aboutgetting it out right.
So you know that you knowholding things in, you know
(13:56):
stressing about things, stuff ofthat nature, is not healthy for
you.
Silence is a killer.
But you also silence.
You can heal.
So healing can't live insilence.
(14:19):
That's what I'm trying to say.
There's no way that you can getbetter by just thinking that,
you know, or else it's not goingto end good.
So therapy is definitely,definitely, you know, an asset
(14:47):
to you.
If you feel like that and atthis point there's a lot, a lot,
a lot of different, you knowjust different ways to get into
therapy.
Like, I think we also have tounderstand that therapy.
You know when we think aboutthat.
We think about, you know, goingin, you know sitting on the
couch and the therapist got hisyou know his little notebook out
(15:08):
and he writing notes about you.
But you know this is a new year, it's a new day.
You know therapy has evolvedimmensely, so there's a lot of
different ways that you canexercise your brain and exercise
.
You know stress and your mentalhealth.
You know there's differentmindfulness apps that you can
(15:29):
use.
You know what I'm saying.
That kind of helps you keeptrack of good habits that you
want to continue to maintain.
That could be good for for uhde-stressors and things like
that.
There's, you know, different uhgroups and things like that.
You could join online withpeople, like-minded people, that
(15:49):
are trying to, you know, do thesame thing and uh, exercise,
you know, and and keep theirmental health going good.
You know diet is also likethere's.
You just have to have to do alittle bit of research.
But the thing is is you can't.
You know you're not going to beable to do it alone.
You know what I mean.
At the end of the day, you'regoing to need some type of
(16:12):
system of support.
You know when you're dealingwith these things and you've got
to reach out, you know it'sit's not always going to be
somebody that will, um, you know, have, you know, be be handing
you a flyer or something likethat.
You got to put a little work inand kind of help, help people,
help you.
You know, and I know that canbe difficult as well.
(16:34):
You know, uh, you know, withmental health sometimes we deal
with depression and sometimes wedeal with anxiety and isolation
and things like this.
But the first step is going tobe really recognizing what's
going on.
And even that can be hard, likeyou know.
Personally speaking, when Ireflect and I look back on just
(16:55):
different times in my life, I'mlike you know, I probably was,
you know was kind of goingthrough some things and not just
really speaking about it orkind of just putting it on the
back burner as far as trying todeal with it.
But it becomes apparent whenyou kind of look at different
moments in your life and you'relike you know, during this phase
(17:16):
of my life I felt a differentway, like how do I not
necessarily how do I get back toit, but how do I identify what
that was and how I can combatthat?
You know what I mean.
So you'll have different hintsand just different you know
indicators of what state youknow your mental health is in
(17:38):
and it's a constant you and it'sa constant nurture.
It's a constant thing ofchecking in on yourself and
checking in on people around you, because a big part about it is
the company that you keeparound you.
You want to have people thatyou check on as well as people
that check in on you.
(18:04):
It's one of those games whereyou know the more that you pour
out into other people and youget that back, it helps with the
wholeness.
It helps with you know feeling,your sense, your sensibilities
in the world and where you are,sense your sensibilities in the
world and where you are.
So, um, that's another thingthat that I would encourage
people to do is just kind ofseek, um, you know,
relationships that are going toto help elevate you and and help
(18:29):
keep your you know your mindsetin the right spot.
It's so easy to get caught up.
And then another big thing isjust like you know that the
isolation like I feel like a lotof people that go through these
mental health problems anddepression and things like that
you know the big, the biggest,the biggest enemy a lot of times
is yourself.
You know your biggest enemy canbe yourself.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, let's, let's address this, because you you
dropped a whole bomb just now.
So I want to back up just alittle bit and and really kind
of reel this thing back in Now.
I think that we have to talkabout what's been normalized.
And what's been normalized is,like you mentioned before, you
(19:19):
know people just being verypassive.
Think, think about this, thinkabout whenever you ask somebody,
just generally speaking, youknow, hey, how you doing, how
you been.
Now in our community it has beenvery prevalent for people to
automatically say, hey, I'mblessed, I'm blessed, I'm
blessed, I'm highly favored,like that's, that's the thing,
(19:41):
and a lot of times that that's acover up, because that's what
you want people to believe.
And if you continue to saythose things, then you know,
maybe it will come into fruition.
But if you think about it, ifhow many people are really
honest and transparent about youknow how things are going and
you don't have to deep dive intoyour personal business, but you
(20:04):
can just truly be like, hey,you know what, I've had better
days, you know a lot is going onright now, and if a person
could be that transparent, thenthose are opportunities for
people to be more supportive.
But if you just tell me, oh,everything's good, I'm blessed,
I think, who?
(20:24):
Everything's fine, then do whatam I going to say?
Like I'm not going to challengeyou and be like, okay, what's
what's really happening?
Like I see the smile, but it'ssomething behind it.
You don't want to be diagnosingfolks, right?
That's cool.
But I do think that, you know,in our communities we do have to
be a little bit moretransparent, and I think that
(20:45):
it's okay to do that because,man, we've been having the front
like it's all good for so longin our lives and in our lifetime
We've had to pretend and putsmiles on our faces, whether it
be for the kids, whether it befor family members, whether it's
coworkers and, like youmentioned, a lot of people are
suffering in silence and that'skind of where things are.
(21:08):
So that's why I wanted to, youknow, really sit back in and
address just the whole, like areyou really good?
And what that does when we,when we say that and we're not,
uh, and so we don't giveindividuals an opportunity to
support us, it doesn't allow usto be heard and it also doesn't
(21:31):
really give you any type of, youknow, opportunity to have some
type of relief.
So let me ask you this, jay.
So how do you feel about umtherapy, um counseling, because
you mentioned that you.
You weren't familiar with itand in our communities it hasn't
(21:53):
been a big thing, or it was.
It was taboo.
No-transcript.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
No.
So I think that, like Imentioned earlier, I feel like
everybody on some level isdealing with some type of trauma
.
So I don't think it's ever likea threshold or a moment in time
that you should wait.
I think we should all activelybe doing some type of form of
therapy.
It's just like brushing yourteeth and washing your face.
(22:34):
It's a part of your mentalhealth hygiene, right?
I think that it goes in tandemwith that.
You know, because you knowotherwise you're just kind of
covering up and you're justgoing around, you know, not
really understanding yourselfand understanding why you may be
(22:55):
feeling a certain type of way.
So I think everybody shouldexercise it, just like we all
should be.
You know, exercising periodit's just one more component of,
you know, just leading ahealthy life overall.
So now I think you know and yousaid it's become, you know,
kind of trendy now, but you knowit's good and bad Like it's
(23:18):
good because you know people arebecoming more aware.
So I think that highlighting itis good and maybe more people
will be exposed or at least havea thought of maybe I should try
therapy, or maybe you know theyheard somebody talk about it
and it wasn't that bad, you know, especially in our community.
Try therapy, or maybe you knowthey heard somebody talk about
(23:38):
it.
It wasn't that bad, you know,especially in our community.
So I think that, yeah, I thinkI think across the board, like
there's no, there's no drawbacks.
Everybody should do it, atleast once you know, or find
some type of method and lookinto it.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, yeah, I think if we can normalize it and make
it, you know, something that'sautomatically beneficial because
it's new.
You know something that'sautomatically beneficial because
it's new, you know, we can findnew methods.
We can find, you know, newtools on how to deal with the
stress and things like that.
I think that we should alsojust briefly kind of dig into
(24:13):
the fact of of the differencebetween mental health and mental
illness.
You know, mental health is isjust like physical health, it's
just like financial health, it'sjust like spiritual health.
We have to continue to dothings.
It's going to be a benefit toour mental right.
(24:36):
So health means being veryintentional on, you know, doing
certain exercise or havinghealthy habits and healthy
routine.
Talk a little bit about what youfeel like the difference, or
the biggest difference, betweenmental health and mental illness
.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, so mental health and mental illness
obviously not the same thing.
Mental health is something weall have, right, we all.
Like you said, it's just likephysical health Some days your
health is good, you feelgrounded, balanced, focused.
Other days you might be anxiousor burnt out.
You know, tired, numb, justlike your body gets tired, just
(25:16):
like you know your mind can getworn down in the same way.
So that's your mental health,right, it's like I was saying
earlier, it's like an everydaymaintenance type of thing.
Mental illness, on the otherhand, you know that goes deeper.
That's what we talk about.
You know, clinical diagnosis of, you know, like, bipolar
(25:37):
disorder, ptsd, schizophrenia,things like that, anxiety
disorders and that stuff.
That's not something that justkind of comes and goes.
It.
That's when it kind of takesover and it becomes, you know,
like, like, like a, like a moreof a disorder, like personality
disorder type of thing.
(25:57):
But the problem, I think, a lotof times is, um, you know people
hear someone say they'restruggling mentally and they,
you know they, they kind of wantto throw one of those, one of
those things on them.
Um, and I think that's kind ofwhere, where stigma comes from,
where we talk about peopleturning, you know, their pain
(26:18):
and stuff like that into labelsand things like that.
So we do have to be carefulwhen we talk about, you know,
the difference of mental healthand mental illness, because
there is a big difference andyou don't want to go, you know,
labeling yourself as one thingwhen you haven't really you know
what I'm saying gotten thatclinical diagnosis.
But, like I said, fatigue,burnout, tired, numb, you know,
(26:43):
we just kind of got to changethe vocab around when we talk
about mental health and not getthem confused.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, that's, that's powerful, even even tampering
with the word depression.
A lot of people, a lot ofpeople, self-diagnose.
There's a clinical depressionwhich obviously needs treatment.
(27:11):
I'm, I'm depressed and I'm in afunk and they use, you know
different, different buzzwordsto describe where they're at.
But you know, jay, a lot oftimes, man, when you hear a
person say that the interestingpart is they feel like they can
pull themselves out of it, oh,I'm a funk, I just, you know,
(27:32):
I've been depressed about so,I've been stressed out, I'll be
OK, right, so there's no plan ofaction on how to help um right,
you know you're trying toconvince yourself that, uh,
you'll be okay and obviously,through that method, it's almost
like okay, well, what are yougonna do?
like, that's how people develop.
(27:52):
You know, certain vices yeah,I'll be okay.
I just, you know, need a drinkor eat, or I just need, you know
, look at some porn or whateverthe case is, and, and those
aren't healthy habits.
Nor are there actually, umpositive ways to uh, to treat
what you're going through and,uh, man, that's so key.
(28:14):
I'm glad that you was able tobreak it down.
Uh, when we talk about mentalhealth, which again is the
maintenance, and then, uh,mental illness is obviously
something that that has to betreated, and that's where you
have to have a professional.
You can't go to your bestie andyour bestie talking about, uh,
(28:36):
okay, you know what, I knowexactly what you need, girl.
I know what you need, homie,all right, so we're going to get
toe up this weekend and you'regoing to be all right Yo, that's
the last thing you need.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yo come on.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Isn't that wild, uh, man.
So look, before we wrap thisthing up, man, I still got a
couple of things I want us toaddress and those of you that
are checking out this very firstepisode yes, it is May 2025 and
, and guess what, it is mentalhealth awareness month, so we're
(29:11):
dealing with that all monthlong.
So you know, there's so manythings that we could talk about,
so many different directions wecan go, but I do want to deal
with two more things before wewrap this thing up, and one of
them is talking about traumasand triggers and really what
that whole healing process lookslike.
So, jay, I want you to to kindof navigate through traumas and
(29:34):
triggers you know, through yourperspective, and then how to to
navigate through that wholeprocess.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, so this is a good one.
Um, you know traumas andtriggers, which both are, have
become you know, uh, words, thatthat that we use commonly
nowadays, um, yeah, but you knowpeople talk about healing like
(30:03):
it's uh, um, like it's astraight path, like once you
decide to do better, everythinglines up and you know the sun
comes up.
But you know, healing is messy,it's layered and it's a journey
.
Um, uh, it could be a loop, aspiral sometimes.
All of that, um, and you know,sometimes we think we good, and
(30:24):
then somebody might saysomething, or you smell
something, or you hear a certaintone and boom, you right back.
You know you right back whereyou started.
You triggered, um, you trigger.
(30:46):
But the thing about trauma alot of times it's not going to
ask you or it's not going togive you any indication of when
it's going to pop back up.
You know, it's one of thosethings that just kind of hits
like a reflex.
So the healing, you know,healing is like having the
courage to look at that pain,that trauma.
You know, face it head on andsay, look, I see it, I feel you,
(31:06):
but you're not a part of meanymore.
You know you don't define me,yeah, and another thing about it
is healing isn't going to be.
It's not going to be.
You know, it ain't always gotto be something that's super
vocal.
You know what I'm saying.
You could, healing could justbe, hey man, you know sometimes
(31:28):
healing is crying.
You know, sometimes healing isjust walking away.
Or one of the terms that Ilearned is the catharsis, which
is like a grand release ofemotions.
So sometimes you got to gothrough that catharsis to really
come to a point ofunderstanding and healing.
But triggers are one of thosethings that you're just going to
(31:54):
have to deal with and kind offace head on.
You know what I mean.
It's all a part of the process.
It's all a part of the healingprocess.
So don't feel bad if you dohave triggers as a response to
your traumas.
But healing it looks like justfacing all of those things
facing your traumas, facing yourtriggers and getting a hold of
(32:16):
it and really, um, you know,starting that process, man, that
process to freedom.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Right, right, and that's a.
That's a great point.
I was going to say something asfar as being able to, uh,
release some things, because wehold onto some things because we
haven't dealt with them, and um, ultimately, that's what we
want.
We want to be free.
We want to be free from dealingwith things of the past that
(32:43):
aren't benefiting our future andpresent, and just kind of being
free, and a freedom to expressyourself and not hold them back.
And you know, again, one ofthose phrases that we've learned
to love is being apologeticallyyourself, you know, and so I
think that's healthy.
Those are definitely some, somemethods that we should look
(33:06):
forward to and not be afraid tonavigate through that.
So I think that's beautiful.
Look, let's.
We'll continue this actualconversation.
We have so much more that wewant to deal with, so much more
we want to tackle.
If you guys are listening tothis and you have some ideas,
some things that you want toshare, feel free to check out
(33:28):
our website, feel free to shootus an email, go to any of our
social media platforms and letus know exactly how you feel.
Let us know that you'relistening to the Mental Health
Awareness Month episodes and youknow we look forward to getting
that feedback from you guys.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
That's it, pops and Son Conversations.
A lot more to come.
You guys Make sure you go toour website and get all that
info.
You know it's always a goodtime here.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yes, indeed.
So signing off your favoriteSilver Fox, rob Malloy.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Hey, Javin, check three times.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yo and we'll see you guys next episode.
Pops and Son Conversations.
Be safe out there and we'll seeyou soon Peace.
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