November 5, 2025 • 33 mins
Politics can feel like noise until you realize the decisions shaping your block are made in rooms most of us never enter. We pull that door open and walk through what really moves change: local elections, the roles nobody explains, and the everyday actions that turn your vote into visible results on your street.
We start by naming the discomfort around politics in Black communities and where it comes from—history, broken promises, and real barriers. Then we shift to power you can use: how city councils decide budgets, how mayors set priorities, why judges and sheriffs matter for safety and justice, and what your school board puts in front of your kids. We tackle groupthink head-on and share a simple framework to research candidates beyond slogans: track donors, read voting records, and follow incumbents year-round instead of only on election week.
We also get practical about suppression and confusion. From ID rules to changing early-vote sites, precision protects your ballot. We clear up felony myths—many people can vote once they’re off parole or probation—and show why outreach to returning citizens is a game changer. And we’re straight about the system’s design: inequity was built in, which is why opting out only cements it. Play the long game, lean into coalition, and choose the races that hit closest to home. Presidents sign; legislatures write; courts interpret. Locally, councils legislate and sheriffs and judges shape enforcement. When you align your vote with these levers, you stop waiting for change to trickle down and start pushing it up.
If you’re ready to move from apathy to action, this conversation gives you a clear map: learn the roles, research with intention, talk to your neighbors, and stay present after the count. If it’s on your block, it’s on your ballot. Subscribe, share this episode with someone who says “my vote doesn’t matter,” and leave a review with the one local office you’ll research this week.
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SPEAKER_02 (01:49):
Welcome to another episode of Pops and Son
Conversations.
And of course, it is yourfavorite Silfox Rob Malloy.
SPEAKER_01 (01:56):
And it is me, Son Take Three Times.
SPEAKER_02 (02:00):
All right.
Jay, how you feeling, man?
SPEAKER_01 (02:03):
I'm feeling good, Pops.
How you feeling?
SPEAKER_02 (02:05):
I'm feeling good.
Look, we are fresh from uhelection day.
And uh, you know, it's kind ofone of those things where you
don't want to talk about it, butyou have to talk about it.
So we've dedicated thisparticular episode, and we're
gonna call this one Jay.
How about what do you thinkabout this?
Politicking with Pops and Son.
SPEAKER_00 (02:25):
I like it.
You feel it, man?
I like that.
I feel it.
SPEAKER_02 (02:28):
All right, that was straight off the dome.
So we're gonna be a littlecreative on this one.
Now, you know, having theseconversations about politics
historically has been taboo.
And I believe it goes back to,you know, history of dealing
with the voting, the rights, anddoes voting even make a
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difference and things like that.
So, Jay, we're gonna navigatethrough this thing because uh
obviously this goes back beyondus and it's way, way bigger than
us, man.
It's a whole community, it's awhole uh world that we have to
deal with uh because politics isreal.
SPEAKER_01 (03:09):
For sure.
I mean, it's it's real, it'ssomething very serious.
And as I get older, I kind of,you know, I understand just how
important it is.
I remember me being younger.
I didn't really, you know, Iwasn't too, too into it.
SPEAKER_00 (03:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (03:27):
Um, but now, you know, I I I'll click on articles
and I'll read.
You know, I I I'm seeing what'sgoing on, you know what I'm
saying, in DC and things likethat, and how people are voting
and how votes are being, youknow, just just how cutthroated
is.
Like voting is so serious that,you know, these people that's
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running for these elections aredoing what they gotta do for
these votes.
You know what I'm saying?
So with that being said, it's itgets uh it gets serious.
So that's just to go to go on tosay, like you, you people may
feel like their vote doesn'tmatter, but if it didn't matter,
then these politicians wouldn'tbe going so hard to get these
votes.
SPEAKER_02 (04:07):
Yeah, you know, historically in our community,
our black community, obviously,you know, uh the the right to
vote for black folks, man,doesn't date back too far, you
know, and it's kind of scarybecause you think about um the
systems and the uh systemicsituations that we've gone
through in our communities forsome of the simple things.
(04:30):
And, you know, not only voting,but you know, being able to uh
you know get loans and and beingable to, you know, buy land and
and just different things likethat.
You know, all of this boils downuh to the vote.
So I think that our culture asuh as black folks, people of
color have really come a longway.
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But my my biggest concern hasbeen the generations afterwards
thinking that the vote doesn'tcount.
And so, you know, sometimes wehave to break it down uh to
really look at the localpolitics of this thing.
You know, you know, what what isuh uh a city councilman, you
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know, what what does your mayordo for you?
What is all these people talkingabout, district one and and all
this stuff?
And um, you know, even your yourgovernor and and senator, you
know, people don't really thinkabout that for some reason, or
it's not as popular.
You know, they start talkingabout, you know, who's the
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president, vice president, andyou know, folks get mad because
it may not go their way, butthere's some changes that can be
made locally.
So, Jay, for you, you know, howimportant has it been pushed and
and actually where did it comefrom when you had a better
understanding of how to cast avote or or you know what voting
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means on a local level?
SPEAKER_01 (06:01):
Yeah, you know, I'll be honest, I'm I'm still
learning right now.
I'm I'm still learning.
I'm uh I'm one of those peoplethat I have to do a lot of
research, I have to analyzethings, and I I like to go um
past the surface.
So um, and then I'm I'm I'm notlike a crowd person.
You know, I think a lot of timeswe get that group think feeling
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like, oh, this is like peopletelling you who you should vote
vote for, whether um, as opposedto you kind of forming your own
independent thought process andnot letting anybody influence
your important vote.
So um, yeah, for me, it's it'sreally all about taking the time
to understand because yeah, yourvote matters, but it um the
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accuracy matters too.
Like you want to vote for thingsthat are um true to you and
things that you want to see.
I mean, because at the end ofthe day, that's that's really
really what it's all about.
No difference in when we would,you know, we'd be in school and
you had to vote for what whatyou were having for lunch.
Y'all want pizza or y'all wantchicken?
Like, you know, at the end ofthe day, if you really want to
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pizza, you you're not gonna votefor chicken because you you're
gonna get something that youdidn't, you know what I'm
saying, you didn't vote for.
So um uh I I think that justkind of understanding and it it
could be it seems daunting.
You know what I'm saying?
It seems daunting for a lot ofpeople, I think, and that's why
they don't wanna they don'twanna get into it, but you know,
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it's it's really not that hard.
Just it's it's a few Googlesearches and just kind of
understand like, you know, whatwhat the field is, what these
people are standing for, and andwhat you know different policies
they enforce, and then you justmake make your make your move
from there.
SPEAKER_02 (07:50):
Yeah.
Uh and you know, when I when Ihear you say that, you know, it
does bring up some some concernsbecause a lot of times people
don't follow these candidatesuntil it's time to vote.
Right.
So throughout the year, uhthroughout the different
seasons, you know, you don'treally know what these people
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are doing, what they're standingfor.
They just kind of pop up, youknow, just like on the ballots,
they pop up.
But, you know, a lot of timesthese politicians, man, they've
they've been in the game for awhile.
And and it's almost like a chessmatch because, you know, at one
point they're this position, andthen, you know, they may be
running for another position.
Uh if they're an incumbent,meaning that they've been at
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that position for a good minute,you know, they stick around.
And that's because people aren'treally following who these
individuals are.
They're not even reallyconcerned, you know, and um,
that's something that we reallyhave to work on in our
community.
You know, the kind of cultureversus campaign.
Like we know about themovements, right?
We talk about the movements.
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Uh, when something's going on,we feel like it's a social
injustice and things like that.
We may stand for that particularculture or that particular
incident, but we really have tostart looking more so at the
campaigns and see what who'sstanding behind what.
As much as I love and understandand respect demonstrations, I
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feel like we really have tostart looking at beyond the
policies, like who really makesthe decisions, what is the
influences?
SPEAKER_00 (09:23):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (09:24):
You know, and and even really understanding what
what lobbying means.
Like we've heard lobbying fordecades, right?
So, you know, what does thatreally mean?
And when we deal with that,that's actually individuals that
have a vested interest in acertain agenda.
How are they gonna be able toget that done?
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We're in we're in America, sowhat do you mean we're in a
capitalistic corporation, if youwill, right?
So money will always talk.
Money's gonna talk, money isgonna be one of the heaviest
influences uh that that we have,you know, in America.
So we have to really look atthat.
So, you know, no disrespect, butyou know, I understand when the
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hood is is is feeling some typeof way and things like that, but
but but we really have to gobeyond that.
You know, you we could actuallyhave some positions or have some
positioning, you know, withinour own community.
And we just kind of start withyou know, uh with our peers,
either getting in position orputting the pressure on those
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that are in position.
And I think that'll go uh wayfurther because I know that the
people mistrust the system.
SPEAKER_01 (10:40):
For sure.
Yeah, there's there's a there'sdefinitely um mistrust um in the
system.
I think a lot of a lot ofpeople, especially in our
community, black men, they seeuh there's kind of like an
emotional detachment there.
You know, they see even evenwhen you mention things like
politics, it's it's almost, youknow, people are just instantly
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averse to just even wanting todiscuss anything like that.
It's almost like it's not myproblem, it's it's their
problem, it's not ours.
You know what I'm saying?
Um and and and it has somethingto do with the past, the
history, like you mentionedbefore.
There have been some letdowns,there's been some
disillusionment that hashappened.
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Um so I think there has to be aconversation around the
importance, especially for theyouth.
There has to be are-envisionment of you know the
importance of the ballot, evenof just you know, just black
men, you know, we we kind ofhave to stand there on the and
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and have that conversation, likeon a daily basis.
Like we we should start havingthese conversations with our
brothers, like, hey man, did yousee, you know what I'm saying?
Did you see what's going on?
And even if it's news talk or ifit's just, you know, how
somebody, because at the end ofthe day, you also gotta
understand in your community,it's important to know how your
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the the emotion of yourcommunity, how how you feel and
where you're placed as anindividual there.
Because like I said, going backto that that school lunch
analogy, you know, you talk toyour homie, you like, hey man,
what you what you gonna what yougonna vote for?
A chicken, a pizza.
Like that might not, you know,change what you're voting for,
but it gives you a betterunderstanding of what your like
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where your community is headedor how they feel.
And like I said, it may notchange, but it kind of gives you
a better understanding.
It's just it's just research onmaking a better, casting a
better vote.
But um, yeah, you know, I I Idefinitely feel for the the
detachment there.
And I think my generation, we,you know, we we a lot of us are
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just like, man, like what'swhat's the point?
It's gonna happen.
No matter what I do, you know,it's it's out of my hands.
It's it's it's gonna go how it'sgonna go.
And I'm gonna just focus on me,the individual.
But that's that's such um adestructive way of thinking,
because you can't do, you can't,you can't win alone.
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You know what I'm saying?
You you can't win you can't winalone.
It's gonna take the communityoverall um to have a better
environment for everybody.
And just thinking on theindividual level is just it's
just selfish.
SPEAKER_02 (13:28):
Yeah, yeah.
Just getting back to you know,having those conversations and
really getting back to buildingthe community.
And uh, I mean, realistically,there's there's so many
different communities right now.
So, you know, you have uh uh acertain demographic that may not
be really interested in inpolitics.
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They may just be interested inyou know what's going on in
their own household.
And then you have some that maytake it upon themselves to the
the re the rebuilding of thecommunity or the sustainability
of the community.
And you know, then you have somethat are deep, knee deep in it.
Like they know that it's gonnatake uh more than a village,
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it's gonna take uh communities,it's gonna take networks, it's
gonna take leverage andeverything that you have.
And uh, man, it's just soimportant that we that we do
that.
But I think that historically wehave been uh hushed when it
comes to talking about politics.
And I I really don't know whatthat's about.
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Uh, you know, your granddad, mydad, Bamie, baby boomer, you
know, in the 80s.
You know, these these folks havebeen in, you know, several wars,
you know, Vietnam and like that.
So, you know, to be able to voteis really important to them.
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Um, but it also goes beyond thatbecause they know that the
system is flawed.
I mean, we got to be real aboutit.
The system is flawed.
Um, you know, if it wasn't, thenwe wouldn't be going through
what we're going through now insuch a divide, um, you know,
with the administration and anduh, you know, the the house and
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and everything.
So uh if that wasn't the case,then we wouldn't be dealing, you
know, with all of that.
So, you know, we we really haveto continue to have these
conversations.
I'm glad that we're actuallyhaving this conversation on our
podcast because it's notsomething uh we've done it
before some time ago, uh, butyou know, we really never dug in
or did a deep dive like this.
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And so I kind of want to pivot alittle bit.
Jay, you said something earlierabout black man and the ballot
and uh and the disconnection,uh, the disconnection and the
voting and the politics part.
Um I I do want to, you know,mention, you know, historically
the disconnection, you know,black man went from, you know,
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the right to vote to feelinglike it doesn't matter, like you
mentioned, you know.
So obviously that's some uhthat's some trauma disguised as
as apathy because I feel likeit's still our duty to do
something.
So you if you do not vote, whatwhat is your alternative for
change?
You know what I mean?
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Like you can't just go aroundhere saying, hey, don't vote,
it's not gonna make adifference.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01 (17:47):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (17:48):
So uh so you know what do you what do you think is
the uh the end goal for forthose thinking that it's not
gonna make a difference at all?
SPEAKER_01 (18:00):
Yeah, that's that's a tough one.
You know, I've I've spoken topeople like that, and it's it's
hard um because the the pointsthat they give you, the
reasoning behind it, they it itfeels hollow.
Right?
It it feels hollow, but at thesame time, like they'll say
something like, um, you know,I've I voted in the past and you
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know, and and nothing changed,or um, like you said, uh my my
vote doesn't matter.
I think like that's it's it'sjust it's just the same
rhetoric.
You know, it's it's verytypical.
Like my vote doesn't matter, um,you know, and they feel
disillusioned.
But then on the flip side,you'll have you'll hear
complaints about the state, youknow, the state of the of the
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economy, the state of thecommunity.
You want to complain about, youknow, potholes in the road and
missing street lights anddifferent things like that that
are going on in yourenvironment, but um you haven't,
you you, you're not voting,you're not you're not a voter,
you're not registered.
So consequently, um, you know,what what can you say?
You really can't say much.
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Um if you're not voting, you youdon't have that luxury to to
also go on and complain aboutwhat's going on.
You're not in the conversation,you've removed yourself um, you
know, from the conversation.
So to those people, I would sayjust kind of think about, you
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know, just go outside and lookaround.
You know, every everybody'senvironment looks different.
Everybody's state of living isdifferent.
Go outside, look around.
If you think that yourenvironment and your state of
living is is good, you want tostay with that status quo, and
that's okay with you, you know,the people that you see around
you, um, uh the condition thatthey're in, um, you know, just
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just how your neighborhoodlooks.
If you if you are okay withthat, um then by all means, you
know, just just keep doing whatyou're doing.
But if if you want to seechange, then what you what you
should do is like you said,start looking around and trying
to follow some of these peoplethat are actively campaigning to
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to uh make things make thingsbetter, not just for uh the
environment, but you know, justfor for the community, for you
for people that look like us.
You know what I'm saying?
Like they're there.
I think that a lot of people aremisinformed or um uh they're
they're missing some pieces andthey and they think that uh or
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they don't understand that therethere are there's things there
are actions being taken, right?
There are actions being taken,there are um different laws that
are that are being that arebeing written, but you have to
do your part as well.
Like it's it's it's it's thesystem.
Yeah, the system, like you said,like the system is rigged and
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everything, but you know, eveneven if it's rigged, like you
still kind of have to to playthe game to even get some type
of outcome.
Because it's also rigged towhere you not doing anything,
you not participating at all, isum, you know, just playing into
the cars of the people that thatunderstand the game and
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understand how it works.
SPEAKER_02 (21:23):
Yeah, that's a really good point.
You know, um it's anticipated uhfor certain communities not to
do anything.
Like they're not even worriedabout, you know, certain areas
and communities evenparticipating.
And that's historically, youknow, numbers represent that uh
that uh statement.
You know, but when we talk aboutrepresentation, you know, I do I
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do think we have some issues uhwhen it comes to that.
Number one, really not knowingwho is representing us, you
know, so it's important to knowwho your, you know, your local
officials are.
Like even on your sheriff, likeyou got to think about that,
Jay.
Like how many communities, howmany of our communities know who
the sheriff is and and willingto go and learn more about uh
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the sheriff, you know, becauseobviously there's uh certain
campaigns, uh, there's certainevents that you can look up in
your own community to you knowfigure out what the heck is
going on with the sheriff.
Like you don't want to just meetthe sheriff and the deputies
when they're knocking on yourdoor, right?
That don't want to be that don'twant to be your first time being
introduced to your localsheriffs, right?
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But at the same time, asimportant as that is, you know,
we have an opportunity to votefor our local sheriff.
Now, I would like to ask that touh you know, to our community.
Like when is the last time youvoted for your local sheriff?
Do you know who your localsheriff is?
Do you know who the candidatesare?
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And that's one thing that I thatI do uh appreciate about here in
Atlanta is uh there isrepresentation.
Like we understand that thereare some issues that may not be
most beneficial to certaincommunities.
Um and so there's people thatdecide to step up.
And so that's why they campaignso hard.
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Picture this, Jay.
Like, where else have you seenso many black people out here
with signs telling uh tellingyou, hey, vote for this
candidate, believe in thiscandidate, we support this
candidate.
I have never seen it soprevalent in any other area that
I've lived.
What has been your experience incomparison?
SPEAKER_01 (23:33):
In comparison, especially where I come from.
Um, there's there's there'snothing like it.
Um, you know, people out therewith their signs kind of raising
awareness.
Um, yeah, that I I I can't, youknow, where I come from, there's
the it looks a lot different.
The the demographic is iscompletely different.
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So definitely I don't see a lotof black people out there uh
raising awareness or or umholding their signs up.
So being here in Atlanta, yeah,it's it's it's been really cool
just to see how involved peopleare and how how important, like
you could tell how importantpeople are really taking it.
SPEAKER_02 (24:12):
Yeah, yeah, that uh no doubt about that.
And another thing, you know,when you talk about systemic
barriers, uh, you know, the IDlaws, the voter suppression, uh,
you know, that's still going on,obviously.
Even with with what we'redealing with now, we're actually
taking the balloting away, whichis wild to me.
That's a wild conversation, man,to just think that uh the
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attempt is there to take awaythe entire voting process.
Uh one thing that I do rememberlearning uh when I went to um
I'm trying to think.
Oh, okay.
You you were there.
Uh you remember the event thatwe went to with uh with that
group um uh uh of the ladies uhwith Dr.
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Cynthia and uh and and the otherladies.
Uh one of the representatives,she was talking about like the
felony um situation, like thethe whole disfranchisement
situation, and and people reallylearning uh what the
restrictions are or things likethat, man.
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And I remember the young lady, II I wish I would have made sure
that I had her name, so I'mgonna have to follow up on that.
But she was just talking abouthow a lot of times people that
that may have felonies, uh it'sa misconception that they can't
vote.
But in all actuality, you know,if you're not on parole, if
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you're not on probation oranything like that, you can you
can vote.
So people with a felony canactually vote as long as you
know they don't have quoteunquote, you know, paperwork.
So parole, uh, you know, or uhany type of um thing like that.
And I thought that was reallyimportant because I didn't know.
I didn't know to be able toshare that.
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Like, you know, you know, younever know who got you know
something going on, but that'sjust information because you
know, three to six degrees ofseparation.
Everybody knows someone that hashad some issues, you know, with
the law.
But being able to share thattype of information, man, is a
game changer because I know thatthere's gotta be some folks out
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there that's like, you knowwhat, I don't have a perfect
past.
I've dealt with the law before.
And so I don't even vote becauseI know my they're not gonna let
me vote.
Right.
And I don't think that there'sany heavy campaigning um with
that um as well.
So I think that's something thatwe have to pay a little bit more
attention to, um, you know, tothat community to make sure that
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they understand they do havesome rights and uh they can get
involved.
So yeah, yeah.
So, you know, another thing thatI definitely wanted to make sure
that we understood is, you know,when it comes to the whole
government and the justice andand the control, uh, you know,
what the quote unquote thesystem, you know, really means.
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Because there are some rules,regulations, and laws that we
don't necessarily know becausewe're not in that field.
Like it's almost like notknowing your rights until
afterwards.
An attorney telling you, well,you know what, you did have the
right to remain silent.
You didn't have to say this, youdidn't have to do that.
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So, you know, when it comes tothese, this, you know, this
politics type thing, man, wehave to really, really
understand that, yeah, the thesystem isn't really broken.
It was built on, you know,inequality and it's working as
design.
So that's why, like you said,playing the game, playing the
system, you know, so you youtake color out of it, you take
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race out of it.
You can even take uh uh yoursocial status or your financial
status out of it.
Like you can do that.
Uh you can still play the game,but just you know, understand
that, you know, the long game isreally knowing and having that
information.
SPEAKER_01 (28:11):
Right.
Information is power.
And I think that for anybodylistening that's kind of, you
know, maybe on the fence,hopefully we've, you know, we've
given you uh some gems that willuh help you make uh better
decisions as far as whether youwant to vote or not.
Like, of course, it's yourright, you know, that was fought
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for.
So it's still your right,whether you want to or not.
But at the same time, I thinkthat the the beginning, the
starter point is doing yourresearch and coming to an
understanding of the true powerthat you holding and that you're
able to cast with that vote whatyou can change.
Start talking.
Like, don't be afraid to havethe conversation or ask about,
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ask somebody that you might knowthat knows a little bit more
than you.
Like, hey, like, you know, whatis this candidate about?
You know what I mean?
That's that's the conversationthat we got to start having.
SPEAKER_02 (29:03):
Oh man, I agree.
Look, man, we uh we wedefinitely uh ran it up on this
one.
You know, last thing I thinkthat we need to make sure that
the message is is I don't thinkpeople really understand um, you
know, what what the roles andresponsibilities of each
individual position has.
Like, you know, the president,uh governor, the mayors, they
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don't necessarily make the laws,they approve the laws that are
created by the Congress, youknow, of the state and uh the
national level.
So you also have that citycouncil on the city level, you
know, and how important, youknow, these things are and how
important it is to uh elect theright judges.
I talked about the sheriffearlier, but also the judges,
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man.
The judges have to be electedtoo, man.
People forget about that.
And uh that's what it's it'sreally about.
So we have to work uh, you know,on our community, continue to
give the messaging, and reallyjust encourage people to learn
more um versus just letting itbe passed down about don't worry
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about it, or this this doesn'taffect us directly.
And uh and I think that'll betrue effective uh community
change and outreach.
So um, yeah, man, we we mighthave to do this again, man.
And we're not gonna wait untilnext November, right?
SPEAKER_01 (30:25):
No, I I think I definitely think, I definitely
think we should because um withus, you know, just kind of being
a resource, you know, I think weshould go a little bit more in
depth and give some names andlet these people, you know,
maybe even talk about, you know,um, you know, some of the
different policies and thingslike that, or or or you know,
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just kind of what's going on inthe culture right now.
I definitely think we shoulddrop those those gems off too.
SPEAKER_02 (30:51):
That's for sure.
So look, uh I want to give a bigshout out to our Fulton County
Sheriff, man.
I love Fulton County.
Like I've been in Fulton Countyfor a handful of years now.
I love everything that's goingon.
Um, the the the uh sheriff, allthe representative has have been
full throttle in making surethat there's true
representation, especially withpeople of color, and uh that the
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system that's in place is uh atleast being uh you know checked
and balanced.
So, you know, with that beingsaid, uh hey, we appreciate you
guys always giving us some greatfeedback.
Again, we'll revisit, we'llspend the block on the
politicking with pops and sun.
But for now, check out theprevious episodes if you
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haven't.
But we'll see you on the nextepisode with Pops and the Sun
conversation, signing off yourfavorite silver fox, Rob Malloy.
SPEAKER_01 (31:47):
Three times checking out we're gone.
Welcome to another episode of Pops and Son
Conversations.
And of course, it is yourfavorite Silfox Rob Malloy.
SPEAKER_01 (01:56):
And it is me, Son Take Three Times.
SPEAKER_02 (02:00):
All right.
Jay, how you feeling, man?
SPEAKER_01 (02:03):
I'm feeling good, Pops.
How you feeling?
SPEAKER_02 (02:05):
I'm feeling good.
Look, we are fresh from uhelection day.
And uh, you know, it's kind ofone of those things where you
don't want to talk about it, butyou have to talk about it.
So we've dedicated thisparticular episode, and we're
gonna call this one Jay.
How about what do you thinkabout this?
Politicking with Pops and Son.
SPEAKER_00 (02:25):
I like it.
You feel it, man?
I like that.
I feel it.
SPEAKER_02 (02:28):
All right, that was straight off the dome.
So we're gonna be a littlecreative on this one.
Now, you know, having theseconversations about politics
historically has been taboo.
And I believe it goes back to,you know, history of dealing
with the voting, the rights, anddoes voting even make a
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difference and things like that.
So, Jay, we're gonna navigatethrough this thing because uh
obviously this goes back beyondus and it's way, way bigger than
us, man.
It's a whole community, it's awhole uh world that we have to
deal with uh because politics isreal.
SPEAKER_01 (03:09):
For sure.
I mean, it's it's real, it'ssomething very serious.
And as I get older, I kind of,you know, I understand just how
important it is.
I remember me being younger.
I didn't really, you know, Iwasn't too, too into it.
SPEAKER_00 (03:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (03:27):
Um, but now, you know, I I I'll click on articles
and I'll read.
You know, I I I'm seeing what'sgoing on, you know what I'm
saying, in DC and things likethat, and how people are voting
and how votes are being, youknow, just just how cutthroated
is.
Like voting is so serious that,you know, these people that's
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running for these elections aredoing what they gotta do for
these votes.
You know what I'm saying?
So with that being said, it's itgets uh it gets serious.
So that's just to go to go on tosay, like you, you people may
feel like their vote doesn'tmatter, but if it didn't matter,
then these politicians wouldn'tbe going so hard to get these
votes.
SPEAKER_02 (04:07):
Yeah, you know, historically in our community,
our black community, obviously,you know, uh the the right to
vote for black folks, man,doesn't date back too far, you
know, and it's kind of scarybecause you think about um the
systems and the uh systemicsituations that we've gone
through in our communities forsome of the simple things.
(04:30):
And, you know, not only voting,but you know, being able to uh
you know get loans and and beingable to, you know, buy land and
and just different things likethat.
You know, all of this boils downuh to the vote.
So I think that our culture asuh as black folks, people of
color have really come a longway.
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But my my biggest concern hasbeen the generations afterwards
thinking that the vote doesn'tcount.
And so, you know, sometimes wehave to break it down uh to
really look at the localpolitics of this thing.
You know, you know, what what isuh uh a city councilman, you
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know, what what does your mayordo for you?
What is all these people talkingabout, district one and and all
this stuff?
And um, you know, even your yourgovernor and and senator, you
know, people don't really thinkabout that for some reason, or
it's not as popular.
You know, they start talkingabout, you know, who's the
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president, vice president, andyou know, folks get mad because
it may not go their way, butthere's some changes that can be
made locally.
So, Jay, for you, you know, howimportant has it been pushed and
and actually where did it comefrom when you had a better
understanding of how to cast avote or or you know what voting
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means on a local level?
SPEAKER_01 (06:01):
Yeah, you know, I'll be honest, I'm I'm still
learning right now.
I'm I'm still learning.
I'm uh I'm one of those peoplethat I have to do a lot of
research, I have to analyzethings, and I I like to go um
past the surface.
So um, and then I'm I'm I'm notlike a crowd person.
You know, I think a lot of timeswe get that group think feeling
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like, oh, this is like peopletelling you who you should vote
vote for, whether um, as opposedto you kind of forming your own
independent thought process andnot letting anybody influence
your important vote.
So um, yeah, for me, it's it'sreally all about taking the time
to understand because yeah, yourvote matters, but it um the
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accuracy matters too.
Like you want to vote for thingsthat are um true to you and
things that you want to see.
I mean, because at the end ofthe day, that's that's really
really what it's all about.
No difference in when we would,you know, we'd be in school and
you had to vote for what whatyou were having for lunch.
Y'all want pizza or y'all wantchicken?
Like, you know, at the end ofthe day, if you really want to
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pizza, you you're not gonna votefor chicken because you you're
gonna get something that youdidn't, you know what I'm
saying, you didn't vote for.
So um uh I I think that justkind of understanding and it it
could be it seems daunting.
You know what I'm saying?
It seems daunting for a lot ofpeople, I think, and that's why
they don't wanna they don'twanna get into it, but you know,
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it's it's really not that hard.
Just it's it's a few Googlesearches and just kind of
understand like, you know, whatwhat the field is, what these
people are standing for, and andwhat you know different policies
they enforce, and then you justmake make your make your move
from there.
SPEAKER_02 (07:50):
Yeah.
Uh and you know, when I when Ihear you say that, you know, it
does bring up some some concernsbecause a lot of times people
don't follow these candidatesuntil it's time to vote.
Right.
So throughout the year, uhthroughout the different
seasons, you know, you don'treally know what these people
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are doing, what they're standingfor.
They just kind of pop up, youknow, just like on the ballots,
they pop up.
But, you know, a lot of timesthese politicians, man, they've
they've been in the game for awhile.
And and it's almost like a chessmatch because, you know, at one
point they're this position, andthen, you know, they may be
running for another position.
Uh if they're an incumbent,meaning that they've been at
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that position for a good minute,you know, they stick around.
And that's because people aren'treally following who these
individuals are.
They're not even reallyconcerned, you know, and um,
that's something that we reallyhave to work on in our
community.
You know, the kind of cultureversus campaign.
Like we know about themovements, right?
We talk about the movements.
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Uh, when something's going on,we feel like it's a social
injustice and things like that.
We may stand for that particularculture or that particular
incident, but we really have tostart looking more so at the
campaigns and see what who'sstanding behind what.
As much as I love and understandand respect demonstrations, I
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feel like we really have tostart looking at beyond the
policies, like who really makesthe decisions, what is the
influences?
SPEAKER_00 (09:23):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (09:24):
You know, and and even really understanding what
what lobbying means.
Like we've heard lobbying fordecades, right?
So, you know, what does thatreally mean?
And when we deal with that,that's actually individuals that
have a vested interest in acertain agenda.
How are they gonna be able toget that done?
(09:44):
We're in we're in America, sowhat do you mean we're in a
capitalistic corporation, if youwill, right?
So money will always talk.
Money's gonna talk, money isgonna be one of the heaviest
influences uh that that we have,you know, in America.
So we have to really look atthat.
So, you know, no disrespect, butyou know, I understand when the
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hood is is is feeling some typeof way and things like that, but
but but we really have to gobeyond that.
You know, you we could actuallyhave some positions or have some
positioning, you know, withinour own community.
And we just kind of start withyou know, uh with our peers,
either getting in position orputting the pressure on those
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that are in position.
And I think that'll go uh wayfurther because I know that the
people mistrust the system.
SPEAKER_01 (10:40):
For sure.
Yeah, there's there's a there'sdefinitely um mistrust um in the
system.
I think a lot of a lot ofpeople, especially in our
community, black men, they seeuh there's kind of like an
emotional detachment there.
You know, they see even evenwhen you mention things like
politics, it's it's almost, youknow, people are just instantly
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averse to just even wanting todiscuss anything like that.
It's almost like it's not myproblem, it's it's their
problem, it's not ours.
You know what I'm saying?
Um and and and it has somethingto do with the past, the
history, like you mentionedbefore.
There have been some letdowns,there's been some
disillusionment that hashappened.
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Um so I think there has to be aconversation around the
importance, especially for theyouth.
There has to be are-envisionment of you know the
importance of the ballot, evenof just you know, just black
men, you know, we we kind ofhave to stand there on the and
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and have that conversation, likeon a daily basis.
Like we we should start havingthese conversations with our
brothers, like, hey man, did yousee, you know what I'm saying?
Did you see what's going on?
And even if it's news talk or ifit's just, you know, how
somebody, because at the end ofthe day, you also gotta
understand in your community,it's important to know how your
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the the emotion of yourcommunity, how how you feel and
where you're placed as anindividual there.
Because like I said, going backto that that school lunch
analogy, you know, you talk toyour homie, you like, hey man,
what you what you gonna what yougonna vote for?
A chicken, a pizza.
Like that might not, you know,change what you're voting for,
but it gives you a betterunderstanding of what your like
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where your community is headedor how they feel.
And like I said, it may notchange, but it kind of gives you
a better understanding.
It's just it's just research onmaking a better, casting a
better vote.
But um, yeah, you know, I I Idefinitely feel for the the
detachment there.
And I think my generation, we,you know, we we a lot of us are
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just like, man, like what'swhat's the point?
It's gonna happen.
No matter what I do, you know,it's it's out of my hands.
It's it's it's gonna go how it'sgonna go.
And I'm gonna just focus on me,the individual.
But that's that's such um adestructive way of thinking,
because you can't do, you can't,you can't win alone.
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You know what I'm saying?
You you can't win you can't winalone.
It's gonna take the communityoverall um to have a better
environment for everybody.
And just thinking on theindividual level is just it's
just selfish.
SPEAKER_02 (13:28):
Yeah, yeah.
Just getting back to you know,having those conversations and
really getting back to buildingthe community.
And uh, I mean, realistically,there's there's so many
different communities right now.
So, you know, you have uh uh acertain demographic that may not
be really interested in inpolitics.
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They may just be interested inyou know what's going on in
their own household.
And then you have some that maytake it upon themselves to the
the re the rebuilding of thecommunity or the sustainability
of the community.
And you know, then you have somethat are deep, knee deep in it.
Like they know that it's gonnatake uh more than a village,
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it's gonna take uh communities,it's gonna take networks, it's
gonna take leverage andeverything that you have.
And uh, man, it's just soimportant that we that we do
that.
But I think that historically wehave been uh hushed when it
comes to talking about politics.
And I I really don't know whatthat's about.
(14:33):
Uh, you know, your granddad, mydad, Bamie, baby boomer, you
know, in the 80s.
You know, these these folks havebeen in, you know, several wars,
you know, Vietnam and like that.
So, you know, to be able to voteis really important to them.
(16:16):
Um, but it also goes beyond thatbecause they know that the
system is flawed.
I mean, we got to be real aboutit.
The system is flawed.
Um, you know, if it wasn't, thenwe wouldn't be going through
what we're going through now insuch a divide, um, you know,
with the administration and anduh, you know, the the house and
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and everything.
So uh if that wasn't the case,then we wouldn't be dealing, you
know, with all of that.
So, you know, we we really haveto continue to have these
conversations.
I'm glad that we're actuallyhaving this conversation on our
podcast because it's notsomething uh we've done it
before some time ago, uh, butyou know, we really never dug in
or did a deep dive like this.
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And so I kind of want to pivot alittle bit.
Jay, you said something earlierabout black man and the ballot
and uh and the disconnection,uh, the disconnection and the
voting and the politics part.
Um I I do want to, you know,mention, you know, historically
the disconnection, you know,black man went from, you know,
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the right to vote to feelinglike it doesn't matter, like you
mentioned, you know.
So obviously that's some uhthat's some trauma disguised as
as apathy because I feel likeit's still our duty to do
something.
So you if you do not vote, whatwhat is your alternative for
change?
You know what I mean?
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Like you can't just go aroundhere saying, hey, don't vote,
it's not gonna make adifference.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01 (17:47):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (17:48):
So uh so you know what do you what do you think is
the uh the end goal for forthose thinking that it's not
gonna make a difference at all?
SPEAKER_01 (18:00):
Yeah, that's that's a tough one.
You know, I've I've spoken topeople like that, and it's it's
hard um because the the pointsthat they give you, the
reasoning behind it, they it itfeels hollow.
Right?
It it feels hollow, but at thesame time, like they'll say
something like, um, you know,I've I voted in the past and you
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know, and and nothing changed,or um, like you said, uh my my
vote doesn't matter.
I think like that's it's it'sjust it's just the same
rhetoric.
You know, it's it's verytypical.
Like my vote doesn't matter, um,you know, and they feel
disillusioned.
But then on the flip side,you'll have you'll hear
complaints about the state, youknow, the state of the of the
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economy, the state of thecommunity.
You want to complain about, youknow, potholes in the road and
missing street lights anddifferent things like that that
are going on in yourenvironment, but um you haven't,
you you, you're not voting,you're not you're not a voter,
you're not registered.
So consequently, um, you know,what what can you say?
You really can't say much.
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Um if you're not voting, you youdon't have that luxury to to
also go on and complain aboutwhat's going on.
You're not in the conversation,you've removed yourself um, you
know, from the conversation.
So to those people, I would sayjust kind of think about, you
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know, just go outside and lookaround.
You know, every everybody'senvironment looks different.
Everybody's state of living isdifferent.
Go outside, look around.
If you think that yourenvironment and your state of
living is is good, you want tostay with that status quo, and
that's okay with you, you know,the people that you see around
you, um, uh the condition thatthey're in, um, you know, just
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just how your neighborhoodlooks.
If you if you are okay withthat, um then by all means, you
know, just just keep doing whatyou're doing.
But if if you want to seechange, then what you what you
should do is like you said,start looking around and trying
to follow some of these peoplethat are actively campaigning to
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to uh make things make thingsbetter, not just for uh the
environment, but you know, justfor for the community, for you
for people that look like us.
You know what I'm saying?
Like they're there.
I think that a lot of people aremisinformed or um uh they're
they're missing some pieces andthey and they think that uh or
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they don't understand that therethere are there's things there
are actions being taken, right?
There are actions being taken,there are um different laws that
are that are being that arebeing written, but you have to
do your part as well.
Like it's it's it's it's thesystem.
Yeah, the system, like you said,like the system is rigged and
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everything, but you know, eveneven if it's rigged, like you
still kind of have to to playthe game to even get some type
of outcome.
Because it's also rigged towhere you not doing anything,
you not participating at all, isum, you know, just playing into
the cars of the people that thatunderstand the game and
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understand how it works.
SPEAKER_02 (21:23):
Yeah, that's a really good point.
You know, um it's anticipated uhfor certain communities not to
do anything.
Like they're not even worriedabout, you know, certain areas
and communities evenparticipating.
And that's historically, youknow, numbers represent that uh
that uh statement.
You know, but when we talk aboutrepresentation, you know, I do I
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do think we have some issues uhwhen it comes to that.
Number one, really not knowingwho is representing us, you
know, so it's important to knowwho your, you know, your local
officials are.
Like even on your sheriff, likeyou got to think about that,
Jay.
Like how many communities, howmany of our communities know who
the sheriff is and and willingto go and learn more about uh
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the sheriff, you know, becauseobviously there's uh certain
campaigns, uh, there's certainevents that you can look up in
your own community to you knowfigure out what the heck is
going on with the sheriff.
Like you don't want to just meetthe sheriff and the deputies
when they're knocking on yourdoor, right?
That don't want to be that don'twant to be your first time being
introduced to your localsheriffs, right?
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But at the same time, asimportant as that is, you know,
we have an opportunity to votefor our local sheriff.
Now, I would like to ask that touh you know, to our community.
Like when is the last time youvoted for your local sheriff?
Do you know who your localsheriff is?
Do you know who the candidatesare?
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And that's one thing that I thatI do uh appreciate about here in
Atlanta is uh there isrepresentation.
Like we understand that thereare some issues that may not be
most beneficial to certaincommunities.
Um and so there's people thatdecide to step up.
And so that's why they campaignso hard.
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Picture this, Jay.
Like, where else have you seenso many black people out here
with signs telling uh tellingyou, hey, vote for this
candidate, believe in thiscandidate, we support this
candidate.
I have never seen it soprevalent in any other area that
I've lived.
What has been your experience incomparison?
SPEAKER_01 (23:33):
In comparison, especially where I come from.
Um, there's there's there'snothing like it.
Um, you know, people out therewith their signs kind of raising
awareness.
Um, yeah, that I I I can't, youknow, where I come from, there's
the it looks a lot different.
The the demographic is iscompletely different.
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So definitely I don't see a lotof black people out there uh
raising awareness or or umholding their signs up.
So being here in Atlanta, yeah,it's it's it's been really cool
just to see how involved peopleare and how how important, like
you could tell how importantpeople are really taking it.
SPEAKER_02 (24:12):
Yeah, yeah, that uh no doubt about that.
And another thing, you know,when you talk about systemic
barriers, uh, you know, the IDlaws, the voter suppression, uh,
you know, that's still going on,obviously.
Even with with what we'redealing with now, we're actually
taking the balloting away, whichis wild to me.
That's a wild conversation, man,to just think that uh the
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attempt is there to take awaythe entire voting process.
Uh one thing that I do rememberlearning uh when I went to um
I'm trying to think.
Oh, okay.
You you were there.
Uh you remember the event thatwe went to with uh with that
group um uh uh of the ladies uhwith Dr.
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Cynthia and uh and and the otherladies.
Uh one of the representatives,she was talking about like the
felony um situation, like thethe whole disfranchisement
situation, and and people reallylearning uh what the
restrictions are or things likethat, man.
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And I remember the young lady, II I wish I would have made sure
that I had her name, so I'mgonna have to follow up on that.
But she was just talking abouthow a lot of times people that
that may have felonies, uh it'sa misconception that they can't
vote.
But in all actuality, you know,if you're not on parole, if
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you're not on probation oranything like that, you can you
can vote.
So people with a felony canactually vote as long as you
know they don't have quoteunquote, you know, paperwork.
So parole, uh, you know, or uhany type of um thing like that.
And I thought that was reallyimportant because I didn't know.
I didn't know to be able toshare that.
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Like, you know, you know, younever know who got you know
something going on, but that'sjust information because you
know, three to six degrees ofseparation.
Everybody knows someone that hashad some issues, you know, with
the law.
But being able to share thattype of information, man, is a
game changer because I know thatthere's gotta be some folks out
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there that's like, you knowwhat, I don't have a perfect
past.
I've dealt with the law before.
And so I don't even vote becauseI know my they're not gonna let
me vote.
Right.
And I don't think that there'sany heavy campaigning um with
that um as well.
So I think that's something thatwe have to pay a little bit more
attention to, um, you know, tothat community to make sure that
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they understand they do havesome rights and uh they can get
involved.
So yeah, yeah.
So, you know, another thing thatI definitely wanted to make sure
that we understood is, you know,when it comes to the whole
government and the justice andand the control, uh, you know,
what the quote unquote thesystem, you know, really means.
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Because there are some rules,regulations, and laws that we
don't necessarily know becausewe're not in that field.
Like it's almost like notknowing your rights until
afterwards.
An attorney telling you, well,you know what, you did have the
right to remain silent.
You didn't have to say this, youdidn't have to do that.
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So, you know, when it comes tothese, this, you know, this
politics type thing, man, wehave to really, really
understand that, yeah, the thesystem isn't really broken.
It was built on, you know,inequality and it's working as
design.
So that's why, like you said,playing the game, playing the
system, you know, so you youtake color out of it, you take
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race out of it.
You can even take uh uh yoursocial status or your financial
status out of it.
Like you can do that.
Uh you can still play the game,but just you know, understand
that, you know, the long game isreally knowing and having that
information.
SPEAKER_01 (28:11):
Right.
Information is power.
And I think that for anybodylistening that's kind of, you
know, maybe on the fence,hopefully we've, you know, we've
given you uh some gems that willuh help you make uh better
decisions as far as whether youwant to vote or not.
Like, of course, it's yourright, you know, that was fought
(28:31):
for.
So it's still your right,whether you want to or not.
But at the same time, I thinkthat the the beginning, the
starter point is doing yourresearch and coming to an
understanding of the true powerthat you holding and that you're
able to cast with that vote whatyou can change.
Start talking.
Like, don't be afraid to havethe conversation or ask about,
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ask somebody that you might knowthat knows a little bit more
than you.
Like, hey, like, you know, whatis this candidate about?
You know what I mean?
That's that's the conversationthat we got to start having.
SPEAKER_02 (29:03):
Oh man, I agree.
Look, man, we uh we wedefinitely uh ran it up on this
one.
You know, last thing I thinkthat we need to make sure that
the message is is I don't thinkpeople really understand um, you
know, what what the roles andresponsibilities of each
individual position has.
Like, you know, the president,uh governor, the mayors, they
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don't necessarily make the laws,they approve the laws that are
created by the Congress, youknow, of the state and uh the
national level.
So you also have that citycouncil on the city level, you
know, and how important, youknow, these things are and how
important it is to uh elect theright judges.
I talked about the sheriffearlier, but also the judges,
(29:47):
man.
The judges have to be electedtoo, man.
People forget about that.
And uh that's what it's it'sreally about.
So we have to work uh, you know,on our community, continue to
give the messaging, and reallyjust encourage people to learn
more um versus just letting itbe passed down about don't worry
(30:07):
about it, or this this doesn'taffect us directly.
And uh and I think that'll betrue effective uh community
change and outreach.
So um, yeah, man, we we mighthave to do this again, man.
And we're not gonna wait untilnext November, right?
SPEAKER_01 (30:25):
No, I I think I definitely think, I definitely
think we should because um withus, you know, just kind of being
a resource, you know, I think weshould go a little bit more in
depth and give some names andlet these people, you know,
maybe even talk about, you know,um, you know, some of the
different policies and thingslike that, or or or you know,
(30:45):
just kind of what's going on inthe culture right now.
I definitely think we shoulddrop those those gems off too.
SPEAKER_02 (30:51):
That's for sure.
So look, uh I want to give a bigshout out to our Fulton County
Sheriff, man.
I love Fulton County.
Like I've been in Fulton Countyfor a handful of years now.
I love everything that's goingon.
Um, the the the uh sheriff, allthe representative has have been
full throttle in making surethat there's true
representation, especially withpeople of color, and uh that the
(31:15):
system that's in place is uh atleast being uh you know checked
and balanced.
So, you know, with that beingsaid, uh hey, we appreciate you
guys always giving us some greatfeedback.
Again, we'll revisit, we'llspend the block on the
politicking with pops and sun.
But for now, check out theprevious episodes if you
(31:37):
haven't.
But we'll see you on the nextepisode with Pops and the Sun
conversation, signing off yourfavorite silver fox, Rob Malloy.
SPEAKER_01 (31:47):
Three times checking out we're gone.
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