August 7, 2025 • 40 mins
What happens when we disconnect from our family roots and lose the multi-generational wisdom that once flowed naturally through our households? In this heartfelt exploration of family dynamics, Rob "Sylvan Fox" Malloy and Javan "Check Three Times" dive deep into what it truly means to build a home that nurtures both individuals and communities.
The conversation begins with a provocative comparison between role models and mentors. While today's youth have unlimited access to inspirational figures through social media, they often lack the personalized guidance that comes from dedicated mentorship. As Rob eloquently explains, "A role model can be someone you see and never meet... but a mentor specializes in helping you navigate through whatever you're interested in." This distinction becomes increasingly critical as young people seek not just inspiration but practical wisdom.
Family reunions emerge as another vanishing tradition with profound implications. Beyond the joyful celebrations, these gatherings once served as natural networking hubs where relatives discovered the diverse talents and resources within their own bloodline. The hosts share personal stories of warmth and connection at family gatherings, emphasizing how these moments create lasting bonds that transcend physical distance.
Perhaps most poignant is the discussion about the wisdom contained in our elders' simpler approach to life. From therapeutic porch talks to the mindful appreciation of nature, these practices offer powerful antidotes to our overstimulated existence. As Javen reflects on his grandmother spending hours simply observing flowers in her garden, listeners are reminded of the grounding presence our elders provide.
Whether you're seeking to strengthen family connections, understand the changing nature of community leadership, or simply reconnect with the wisdom of previous generations, this episode offers both nostalgic reflection and practical insights for rebuilding the foundations of home in the modern world.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Okay, welcome to another episode of Pops and Son
Conversations.
As per usual, it is yourfavorite Sylvan Fox, Rob Malloy.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And it's Javen, aka Tech Three Times.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
There it is, and welcome to another episode.
Jay, how are you feeling today?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I feel good.
You know, I feel good.
How about yourself Pop?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I'm good, and the reason why I say that is, you
know we just got through JuneMen's Month, men's Mental Health
Awareness Month, and hopefullyall is now forgotten.
You know all the support, youknow all of the clickbait,
mm-hmm.
You know hopefully we didn'tjust have bandwagoners that are
(00:49):
hopped off already, because youknow we're in June now, so I
mean we're in July now, sohopefully you know we've we've
met some, some very, uh strongallies, if you will, when it
comes to, uh, the support of usmen.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Because you know, we need it, man, you know so, you
know, I was thinking about.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
You know, since we're in heavy into, uh, july, um,
you know, when it comes to thepatriotism and and things like
that in july, man, I think thatthere is a lot of identity
crisis going on.
You know, people trying tofigure out, okay, what did?
(01:31):
What does the holidays reallymean?
You know, uh, what's behind it.
You know, uh, why are wecelebrating?
Do we have the right?
Are we up?
You know, celebratingappropriately?
Yeah, no, are we celebratingappropriately?
Is this just a pagan holiday?
Whatever the case is, july isone of those months where you
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kind of think about what doesthis really mean to me,
culturally, historically,community-wise, ancestrally?
So I kind of want to dig in alittle bit about the home, the
family dynamic, and you know,just, maybe we can name it like
(02:15):
home is where the heart is.
Oh, yeah, home is where theheart is.
You know, we're not trying todo a Hallmark card, you know,
but we are trying to make surethat we do realize the
importance of home Because, jay,let's just be real, we hear
more about broken homes than wedo about homes that are actually
(02:37):
staying together and creatinglegacy.
Am I right or wrong?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
No, you're right.
You're right when you're right.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
No, you're right.
You're right when you're right.
A broken homes is a topic, atrending topic, right.
But you know, we have to reallytalk about the dynamic of the
(03:10):
homes, because industry, orstaying in that field and what I
mean by that, jay, is, you know, your great granddad he, you
know or your granddad is in theNavy, right?
So I went into the military, mysister went into the Marines.
None of y'all went into intothe military.
I ain't mad at y'all, though,right, I ain't gonna lie, I
wanted to, though, right, right,but I wouldn't, I wouldn't have
(03:33):
been mad either way, becauseyou know, uh, there's a lot of
evolution, but at the same time,there's always those
intricacies of the unknown.
So you don't know what wouldhappen if you did go in, even if
it was something that youwanted to do, meaning job wise,
if you wanted to travel andthings like that.
So, but me, growing up man, Iremember that it was so stressed
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that you follow in thefootsteps of your family.
So if there, if you are afamily of lawyers, you better
get ready to go to law school.
I don't care if you want toplay basketball.
If you will want to become anathlete or if you want to do
something different, you go intolaw school.
Your mama, your daddy, went tolaw school.
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Your great granddaddy went tolaw.
You go into law school Now you.
Your daddy went to law school,your great granddaddy went to
law.
You're going to law school Now.
You can figure out, after youget your law degree, what you
want to do, after you get yourpractice, what you can do on the
side.
But no, you're about to be alawyer.
You're about to be in lawenforcement.
You're about to be in politics.
You're about to be in sports.
Even sports man, even thelineage of sports, goes a long
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way.
So you know.
So let me ask you, jason, whatdo you think when it comes to,
you know, the parents being thefirst leaders and being that
example in the household?
Do you think that that is agood thing because they're
paving the way, or do you thinkthat could be traumatic because
(05:10):
of the pressure of thegenerations afterwards?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Oh yeah.
Yeah, you know, it's one ofthose things where it could go
either way, and it's really alot of times it's going to be on
the parent to kind of fosterwhat the child's reaction is
going to be.
But I do think overall it's agood thing though, because
either way there's some type ofstructure there or there's some
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type of influence.
I would rather have been in ahousehold where my parents did
something for me that theythought was going to be in my
best interest, and maybe Ididn't necessarily agree with it
100%, but I mean, I don't thinkit's anybody out there that's
mad that they have a law degreeor that's mad that they got, you
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know, they're a doctor or anurse or whatever, or they're
playing, you know, in the NBAbecause their parents were so
hard on them.
Like, I don't think they're madat that, but you know, in the
NBA because their parents wereso hard on them.
Like, I don't think they're madat that, but you know, at the
same time, it's just got to besomething that the parents are
considerate about.
But on that flip side, whereyou talk about the pressures, oh
(06:16):
man, yeah, I can see that too.
So overall, I think it'sprobably for the best, and I
think a lot of parents do meanwell.
But it's just one of thosethings kind of case by case, but
overall I think they mean welland I think it's probably better
just for that structure.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, I'll add to that, because not only the
structure because that's whatthey know, right, there's
routines, there's a blueprint tobe able to be successful in
that lane, but also you got tothink about the resources, the
people that they come across,right the business owners, the
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CEOs, the VPs.
You know the connections, ceos,the VPs, you know the
connections, and so, really,it's a great opportunity to have
that under your belt, becauseeven with that, even having that
structure, the access toresources, there's always going
to be that black sheep that'snot going to do none of that,
(07:21):
right, there's always going tobe.
And even if it's a black sheepmoment, like you know what, now
I want to do that, I want tofigure it out on my own.
Thank you for paving the wayfor me to do that, but I don't
want to do that at all, and sowhat can happen then is they, uh
, uh, the the parents may feellike, hey, you know what, you're
(07:45):
breaking up the legacy here,right, and plus, you're not even
a master at what you're talkingabout.
So if you want to be a musician,right, you want to do something
completely different.
You want to be an actor, youknow.
You want to go into, you know,maybe a different type of
vocation, school or somethinglike that.
(08:07):
They're going to feel likeyou're off course, but they're
also going to feel like theycan't help you, and so I want to
kind of dig into the differencebetween a role model and a
mentor, that this is one of myfavorite subjects I like to talk
about, so that this is one ofmy favorite subjects I like to
(08:27):
talk about.
You know, we just recentlylaunched a mentor, a mentorship
program starting with young manat 12 years old, called the EG
League, so you guys can go toPops and Son and kind of get
some more information.
But you know, I love talking tothe, to the youth, about the
difference between a role modeland they and a mentor.
(08:49):
So, jay, when you think aboutit, but what comes to mind of
the importance of both, becauseI do feel like both have their
place, but what do you know isthe difference or what comes to
mind when you think about bothof them?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
so, right off the bat , I feel like role models are
more of, like, your publicfigures.
Mentors are going to be yourpersonal ones, right?
So your role models, uh, thatmight be somebody and you know
this, this phrase has beencoined, uh, recently your, it
may be an influencer you followonline that you just think is
(09:26):
somebody cool and maybe youidentify with them.
You see something in them thatyou don't or, like I said, you
identify.
So you know, maybe they'redoing something that you do that
you don't see a lot around you,or a lot of your friends don't
do.
So it kind of makes you feel,um, you know, a little bit more
(09:46):
acceptable, like, okay, this ismaybe I'm not this, this weirdo
that, like that's into such andsuch, because this person I see
is into it as well.
But, um, a mentor, on the otherhand, you know that's somebody
that, like I said, it's a lotmore personal.
That's going to be somebody whosees your potential and is even
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going to hold you accountableto it.
They'll give you feedback.
A coach is another good term Ilike to think of when you think
about what coaches do to theirplayers.
What coaches do you know totheir players, like how they,
you know, maybe sometimes be alittle bit hard on them, but
it's only because they want tobring the best out of them and
(10:29):
they see the potential and theywant to help them grow.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with you 1000%.
I always tell this storyAnytime I talk about mentorship
and role models.
I remember being booked to uh,to host a rooftop party in
Minneapolis, minnesota, and itwas a bunch of ladies I'm not
going to lie man, it wasprobably about eight to ten
(10:55):
ladies that was in this areathat I was in the lobby of the
hotel because the rooftop was atthat hotel and then there was
like one guy.
So I'm looking at the dude like, hey, man, you, you got to stay
here, like we got to be eye toeye, we got to be on the same
page.
Even if it's just for thismoment, set aside our
differences and how you feel, wegot to be on the same page.
(11:17):
And I remember, you know theconversation just talking about
the difference between, you know, um, a role model and a mentor
and and really I was talkingmore so the importance of a
mentor in our communities.
Because a role model you canhave a role model be someone
that you see and never meet.
It could be an athlete, itcould be an actor, it could be
(11:40):
an author, it could be somebodywho you know is really popular
and that could be a role model.
But that role model isn'tnecessarily taking you through
the steps of success in whateveryou're interested in.
And so that's where a mentorcomes into play, because they
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specialize in helping younavigate through whatever you're
interested in.
And so if your dad sells cars,if your dad is a mechanic and
you want to get into IT, well,your daddy can't help you,
meaning he can't teach you.
(12:23):
But I think what he can do is hecan bridge the gap and get you
access to that resource, bridgethe gap and introduce you to a
mentor.
I think that will be extremelypowerful versus feeling like, oh
well, he ain't your daddy, orI'm always be your dad, and you
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know what I mean.
And that can kind of defuse anytype of animosity when it comes
to that kid or that young adultreally want to thrive in that
field, and not feeling likethey're going to disappoint
their parents because they'renot going into whatever that
industry is through the lineage.
(13:07):
So I think that that'sextremely powerful.
Mentorship is not easy Like.
In order to be a mentor likeyou, you have to go through
mentorship yourself, so you haveto know what that process is
like.
You have to understand thateach individual is going to be
different.
People have different learningcurves and you have to be
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extremely flexible with allthese different personalities.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, I agree.
I think that today, I think wehave a lot more role models than
mentors.
I think we definitely have alack of mentors and I think even
that, when we talk about thegenerations, I think there's a
disconnect there.
I'm not even sure if you knowthey understand what.
(14:10):
You know what a mentor is orhow to, how to find one or how
to seek one out, or you know howto to even go about that.
You know what I mean.
So, yes, it's definitelysomething that you know there's.
There's got to be somethingdone.
There's got to be somethingdone.
You know what I mean and I knowthere's different programs and
you know.
I think we'll probably get intothat a little bit later in the
conversation.
But, yeah, I agree with you100%, pops.
Mentorship definitely got to beon the forefront, something
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that we got to keep pushing itand having conversations about.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
You have those conversations, and I think that
these are the type of thingsthat we need to look at.
When, when we're doing thefamily reunions, and that that's
even sounds foreign, right,like, when's the last time you
went to a family reunion ofyours?
Yeah, I ain't talking about agood friend of yours that said
that you know they're gonna becooking ribs and everything I'm
talking about.
Actually, your family reunions,and family reunions don't have
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to be eight, nine generationsand don't have to be 200 to 300
people.
You know, at the cookout witht-shirts on right, family
reunion can, can literally bethat people that you have not
met in your, in your lineage, inyour family tree, it could be
just everybody being at the sameplace at one time.
(15:22):
For a change, like those, to me,are family reunions that truly
matter.
So when we get into that, whenwe talk about the parents being
the leaders, that's somethingthat we need to hold ourselves
accountable for.
That's something that we needto hold ourselves accountable
for.
Like you know, I want to see myaunts and uncles and cousins
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and siblings, because you knowthey're adults and they live in
different states, and let'slet's make this happen, because
it's so easy to get caught up inyour own family dynamic and you
guys are, you know, going tothe lake and you guys are going
to to uh, you know the mountainsand and taking trips across
seas and stuff like that, whenyou have a whole generation that
truly may need you and at somepoint you may need them.
(16:08):
Now you're in their city, nowyou're in their state, now you
realize you have a cousin whowas the mayor.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Now you realize that you have a cousin who's the
mayor.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Now you realize that you have a, a celebrity stylist
aunt.
Now you, now you have, you know, uh, mr, check three times in
atlanta yeah, connect the dotsto atlanta.
You know, can I come to one ofyour shows or something, bro,
what's happening?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
yeah, yeah, yeah, see , that's that's you know, that's
so important.
When we see connecting thosedots, though, right, right, this
is, you know this.
But this is also something thatI think a lot of people just
you know is lost on them, and wetalked about that structure
earlier, about in the household.
(16:51):
But this is another.
This is like another, just likeexpansion of that right, it's
not even a structure, it's moreexpansion of that, right, it's
not even a structure, it's morelike a ecosystem, right?
So, when you're able to, youknow, touch down and connect,
you know, now you have a modelof you know what I'm saying of
the network, right, yeah, so,yeah, man, I think that's
(17:15):
brilliant.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah, for sure, you know that's something that we
have to be very intentional andremind ourselves, remind those
family members that are good atorganizing, and really make
things happen.
It doesn't have to be on agrand, huge scale.
We could just start with, youknow, a handful of family
members at a time and build fromthat.
(17:37):
So I want to encourage you,know, all the listeners out
there that you know, familyreunions does not have to be 400
people and you go and you, yourent out, you know, parks and or
not rent out parks and justtaking over the grills oh, man
Right, you don't even have apermit.
But you, you using all sixgrills at the park.
(17:58):
Man, it's supposed to be public.
Cut it out, man, knock it off.
But in real life, though, I dolove those opportunities that we
can take.
Those are so important.
I've never been in any type offamily gathering, family reunion
or whatever the case, and notfeel heart warm, oh yeah.
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My heart is always warm.
I'm always happy to see.
You know even my siblings, andyou've witnessed this, you know,
a handful of times.
You know just the closeness andyou know it's like, even though
we haven't seen each other inmonths and months and months,
it's like we never missed a beatwhen we're in person.
So I think that's reallyimportant for people to always
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keep that connectivity withinyour family and your household
as well, of course.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yes, it's beautiful.
I ain't gonna lie Just sittinghere thinking about it,
reminiscing on them.
Old days, man, you know you getolder and it's like you don't
see your folks as often.
So you have all those, you know, those those great memories of
you know y'all playing cardgames or board games or whatever
the case is.
But, yeah, that's, that's whyit's so important to just to
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keep the connectivity, keep thatwifi connection going, you know
.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Definitely.
You know what I do want topivot a little bit.
I want to because I want tomake sure that we get enough
time for this specific topic.
I want to talk about whatleadership looks like now versus
what it looked like then, andobviously we're talking about a
few different generations, but Istill believe the evolution.
(19:40):
And what is the opposite ofevolution?
Regression?
What is the opposite?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, that's, that would be one of the fair yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
So I want the good, the bad and and candid about it,
because leadership, even beforemy time being, you know a 70s
babies and my parents you knowbeing boomers even leadership to
them look a lot different.
It looks a lot differentbecause they had, you know,
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martin Luther King Jr, they hadMalcolm X, marcus Garvey you
know that may be a littlefurther back, but but they had,
you know, jesse Jackson, ralph,david Abernathy.
You know they just had a lotgoing on and and these people
was not playing games, they puttheir life on the line, jay, to
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to stand up for the community,to stand up for rights, civil
rights.
And it's different, like, andwe have to admit that it is
different because thisgeneration and some other
generations, they, they don'tbelieve in doing all that, so to
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speak.
They want to figure out waysthat they can do things
different, right.
So so now, if you talk aboutmarching, if you talk about
boycotting, if you, if you talkabout doing different
demonstrations, obviously itlooks a lot different than it
did in the 60s, in the 70s.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, with the advent of
things like social media and allthat, we have a lot more
avenues to kind of voice ouropinions and, you know,
congregate or rally or or evenjust to spread awareness.
You know what I'm saying aboutissues that are going on.
You mentioned those, a lot ofleaders, but I would say some of
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the leaders of today that arekind of doing that.
You got people like 19 Keys Iwatch a lot of his videos.
Rza Islam does a good job of,you know, just kind of raising
awareness and things like that.
There's a guy named Wall StreetTrapper that's raising
awareness.
So, and interestingly enough,these are all what you would
(22:10):
call influencers or role models,and that kind of goes back to
what I was saying earlier about,like, we have a lot, a lot role
models, but I'm not sure ifthey're doing any actual uh,
mentorship, uh, in the community.
But, yeah, so so the leadershipof of today is a lot different.
It's not, I don't think it's asuh, physical or in person.
You know it's a lot of, youknow, people talking about
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issues or people, um, you know,you know getting mics and maybe
doing a podcast or doing it, um,going live about it.
But the actual work, I you know, I would have to agree with you
that, um it's.
There is a key difference there.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I would say yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
And when you think about it, uh, it digs a little deeper, or
did dig a little deeper backthen, because we're talking
about the actual household.
They talked about theimportance of having a mother,
father, in the household.
They talked about how importantit was to have your
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grandparents in your householdRight, so it talked more so
about true family, uh, dynamic,like you can have a household of
20 people right now and thentake, take that in perspective.
So in today, our communitylaughs at the Latinos or the,
(23:40):
the, the Indian and the native,how they, how they have big
households.
They talk about, oh man, howyou got 20 people in your
household like that, right, sothink about it.
We actually started that first.
We started it first in ourculture.
You know grandma and granddad.
Between the two of them, they'dhave 20, 21 kids.
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They had 15 kids.
Everybody had a job to do.
So it wasn't like everybody'sjust laying around and and
everybody got to go get a job.
No, no, they was verydomesticated.
Agriculture was huge and justhaving a skill was was always, I
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would say, almost mandatory.
Like you're going to be doingsomething right.
You're going to literally havea skill, whether you want it to
or not, whether it is thelandscaping or taking care of
the pigs or whatever the case isright, washing the farm, the
side of the farm, whatever thecase is, everybody had a duty.
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So as they gotten older andhave their own families, you got
to follow suit and think aboutthis, jay.
Think about this if, if youhave everyone on that estate, if
you will, on that farm, on thatacreage now we're talking about
serious generational wealth.
(25:08):
You're not kicking people outto go get an apartment they can
barely afford, just to come backto your house two years later,
right.
So now we're talking aboutacreage.
We're talking about poolingresources so we can make a, we
can continue to make aconglomerate within our family
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structure and dynamic.
We may start out with 10 acres,but if everybody's doing what
they need to do and we'reraising funds and we have, you
know we believe in groupeconomics all we're going to do
is continue to leverage that andwe're going to have acreage in
different cities and differentareas.
(25:54):
We'll expand where we're at,but we're building, and so now
it makes a lot more sense whenwe talk about raising our kids.
Now they don't have to go to adaycare where we're paying $400,
$450 a week, and we're tryingto get help from the government.
(26:14):
Out of 450, they want to pay$75, right?
So now we're utilizing grandma,grandpa, great-grandma,
great-grandpa.
They're now fulfilled in theirolder years, right?
They're able to see theirgenerations in front of them
(26:35):
instead of, oh well, why mygreat grandbabies don't come and
see me?
Right, because now they'reraising them, and so now we can
pull again our resources.
We can get whatever we want.
We may start out with a farm,but now guess what, since we
have money, we have education,we have resources, we have a
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diversity, you know, we'rediverse within our own household
, and so now we can have a lawfirm to extend the legacy.
Now we can have, you know, amedical center.
Now we can have a securityagency within our own generation
(27:20):
.
So to me, man, that's whatlegacy, you know, is all about.
Just really, you know,respecting our elders and you
know our neighborhoods, doingour check-ins, and to me, jay,
that's old school, that's oldschool.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, yeah, now you cook, Now you definitely cook,
but I mean I don't know.
So if that's old school, what'snew school?
I mean we don't have, we're notdoing that.
No more People aren't livingunder the household like that,
doing a farm on an acreage, andthings like that.
It's a lot more individualistic.
So I think we've lost even theconcept of that.
(28:02):
You said earlier.
We laugh at when we see it likeit's almost frowned upon or
something like that, but really,in reality, it's probably the
smartest thing that you could doas a family it has to be yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I mean, when you think about it, even being
chastised for having roommates.
Now, as men, jay, we, we get nomercy.
Now, ladies, you can all yourgirlfriends you know live in
living in a four bedroom, threebath.
It makes sense to them, right?
They're going to save, they'regoing to pull their resources
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together, they're going to havegroceries for days.
They're going to make it happen.
They're going to make thathouse a home for each one of
those individuals.
Now you got four guys in afour-bedroom, four-bath.
What's that looking like onsocial media?
What are they talking aboutwith that, jay?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Nah, man, yeah, you getting no mercy man, you, you
got roommates, right, man, no,you got roommates.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
that's crazy, like like it's like you're not even
supposed to do that, man, likeyou're supposed to be fully
self-sufficient man, it's yeah,it's wild that's the world we
live in, though, um, you know,and there's a lot of differences
that we have to admit, uh, butone thing that I feel like is
nostalgic, which happens with alot of people when they go to
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their grandparents house ortheir great grandparents house
that lives out there in thecountry that are minimalist,
right, but they enjoy thenon-polluted air right, the
excessive electronics, and it'sjust a simplistic lifestyle that
(29:56):
you can appreciate Birds,chirping, bees buzzing,
mosquitoes biting.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Fireflies at night.
All of that.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Man Appreciate birds, chirping bees, buzzing
mosquitoes biting Fireflies atnight, all of that, man, nobody
can say and I'm just being juststraight up with this Nobody can
say that you don't get a senseof peace when you go out there
to your great grandparents, yourgrandparents' house, Number one
, it's going to be a drive, ohyeah, it's going to be a drive.
(30:21):
Oh yeah, it's going to be adrive.
And maybe not your parents,because your parents, you know,
they move into the city forwhatever, but your great
grandparents and your greatgreat grandparents, oh, you got
to go to their land to go seeabout them, jay, you got to go
to their land.
It's a road trip, it's a roadtrip, it's a road trip.
(30:47):
And I, and I love that because,when you think about it, man,
those are the, you know, um,grandma, with the, with the, the
cakes, the homemade meals,sweet tea, the lemonade, man,
the food was just different overthere, she's going out, uh, to
pick up fresh vegetables out thegarden.
You know what I mean?
Like, their food is organic.
Oh, man, it's just a wholedifferent lifestyle.
(31:08):
And you got to think aboutthose porch talks, you know, and
the, the, the, the cookouts,the, the music, everybody
dancing.
You know, there's no neighborsfor miles away, so you don't
have to worry about anybodycalling 12.
That's a different life andlifestyle.
And one thing that I do have tomention those therapeutic talks
(31:35):
with the elders.
Oh man, you can absorb so muchwisdom, and sometimes it's not
even a private talk.
You just listen to granddad,great granddad, like, for
instance, on father's day.
You listen to your granddad spitgame, right yeah, he was in
game and he wasn't about hey,you know, uh, be a ladies man,
(31:57):
don't settle, don't get.
He was actually encouragingrelationships and marriage.
He was just saying you need youbetter vet better.
Yeah, you better do, or you canget caught up in the matrix.
So he did say that.
But just being able to allowthem to talk their talk and they
(32:17):
don't mind, like all of thefolks they'll talk, let them
cook, hey, they, the folksthey'll talk.
Let them cook, hey, they'regoing to cook.
Man, and look you, you betterSit back, relax and be quiet and
soak in that knowledge.
That's your best bet.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, yeah, Insight.
There's too much insight andwisdom to let go to us.
I love hearing my elders speak.
Man, it's one of those thingswhere because I lost my
great-grandma a few years backand I just kind of reminisce
about her, you know, you thinkit's something trivial, but you
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know one thing that she wouldalways do she would go out in
the yard and just look atflowers, Just look at nature,
and it took me so long tounderstand why she was out there
for so long, Like she'd be outthere for an hour.
Yeah, I'm like man, where isshe?
Yeah she's out there looking atthem, yeah, yeah.
(33:20):
Until I got out there one timeand I did I'm like oh, this is
grounding, this is peace, thisis you know.
Just being out in this naturereminds you of who you are and
you know and what you are.
So, yeah, the elders man wisdomand insight, and never, never
mistaken.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Most definitely wisdom and insight and never,
never mistake it.
Most definitely.
You know, uh, shout out to um,you know your grandma, granddad
bob and d maloy.
This is how you know it's oldschool when, when they say their
names together that's how youknow uh, mark and martha you
know what I'm saying Abigail andAnthony, bob and Dee like that
(34:05):
lets you know that they're one.
You only have to try to figureout if they still married or
they're still together, becauseyou're saying their name as if
it's one.
Yeah, package, right, theypackaged up.
Man Speaking of package, look,we're going to go ahead and wrap
up this show and man, listen,we want you guys to continue to
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information out there to youall as well as a representation.
So I'll tell you what we mayhave to.
We may have to double up onthis, this community thing.
So I think that we're going tohave to come back and talk about
, you know, some of the thingsthat have been effective, maybe
some of the things that we cando better, some actionable steps
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that our community and ourlisteners can actually implement
in their community.
And, you know, just get sometips and, just you know, be the
ones that start the impact,instead of just kind of waiting
around for the leaderships.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, I love it.
I love it and I know they'lllove it too.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
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We love you guys.
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Next episode Pops and SonConversations.
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Jvn aka Tech 3 Times.
Hey, and we'll see you guysnext time.
Be blessed, we out peace.
Okay, welcome to another episode of Pops and Son
Conversations.
As per usual, it is yourfavorite Sylvan Fox, Rob Malloy.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And it's Javen, aka Tech Three Times.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
There it is, and welcome to another episode.
Jay, how are you feeling today?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I feel good.
You know, I feel good.
How about yourself Pop?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I'm good, and the reason why I say that is, you
know we just got through JuneMen's Month, men's Mental Health
Awareness Month, and hopefullyall is now forgotten.
You know all the support, youknow all of the clickbait,
mm-hmm.
You know hopefully we didn'tjust have bandwagoners that are
(00:49):
hopped off already, because youknow we're in June now, so I
mean we're in July now, sohopefully you know we've we've
met some, some very, uh strongallies, if you will, when it
comes to, uh, the support of usmen.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Because you know, we need it, man, you know so, you
know, I was thinking about.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
You know, since we're in heavy into, uh, july, um,
you know, when it comes to thepatriotism and and things like
that in july, man, I think thatthere is a lot of identity
crisis going on.
You know, people trying tofigure out, okay, what did?
(01:31):
What does the holidays reallymean?
You know, uh, what's behind it.
You know, uh, why are wecelebrating?
Do we have the right?
Are we up?
You know, celebratingappropriately?
Yeah, no, are we celebratingappropriately?
Is this just a pagan holiday?
Whatever the case is, july isone of those months where you
(01:53):
kind of think about what doesthis really mean to me,
culturally, historically,community-wise, ancestrally?
So I kind of want to dig in alittle bit about the home, the
family dynamic, and you know,just, maybe we can name it like
(02:15):
home is where the heart is.
Oh, yeah, home is where theheart is.
You know, we're not trying todo a Hallmark card, you know,
but we are trying to make surethat we do realize the
importance of home Because, jay,let's just be real, we hear
more about broken homes than wedo about homes that are actually
(02:37):
staying together and creatinglegacy.
Am I right or wrong?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
No, you're right.
You're right when you're right.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
No, you're right.
You're right when you're right.
A broken homes is a topic, atrending topic, right.
But you know, we have to reallytalk about the dynamic of the
(03:10):
homes, because industry, orstaying in that field and what I
mean by that, jay, is, you know, your great granddad he, you
know or your granddad is in theNavy, right?
So I went into the military, mysister went into the Marines.
None of y'all went into intothe military.
I ain't mad at y'all, though,right, I ain't gonna lie, I
wanted to, though, right, right,but I wouldn't, I wouldn't have
(03:33):
been mad either way, becauseyou know, uh, there's a lot of
evolution, but at the same time,there's always those
intricacies of the unknown.
So you don't know what wouldhappen if you did go in, even if
it was something that youwanted to do, meaning job wise,
if you wanted to travel andthings like that.
So, but me, growing up man, Iremember that it was so stressed
(04:01):
that you follow in thefootsteps of your family.
So if there, if you are afamily of lawyers, you better
get ready to go to law school.
I don't care if you want toplay basketball.
If you will want to become anathlete or if you want to do
something different, you go intolaw school.
Your mama, your daddy, went tolaw school.
(04:23):
Your great granddaddy went tolaw.
You go into law school Now you.
Your daddy went to law school,your great granddaddy went to
law.
You're going to law school Now.
You can figure out, after youget your law degree, what you
want to do, after you get yourpractice, what you can do on the
side.
But no, you're about to be alawyer.
You're about to be in lawenforcement.
You're about to be in politics.
You're about to be in sports.
Even sports man, even thelineage of sports, goes a long
(04:48):
way.
So you know.
So let me ask you, jason, whatdo you think when it comes to,
you know, the parents being thefirst leaders and being that
example in the household?
Do you think that that is agood thing because they're
paving the way, or do you thinkthat could be traumatic because
(05:10):
of the pressure of thegenerations afterwards?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Oh yeah.
Yeah, you know, it's one ofthose things where it could go
either way, and it's really alot of times it's going to be on
the parent to kind of fosterwhat the child's reaction is
going to be.
But I do think overall it's agood thing though, because
either way there's some type ofstructure there or there's some
(05:36):
type of influence.
I would rather have been in ahousehold where my parents did
something for me that theythought was going to be in my
best interest, and maybe Ididn't necessarily agree with it
100%, but I mean, I don't thinkit's anybody out there that's
mad that they have a law degreeor that's mad that they got, you
(05:56):
know, they're a doctor or anurse or whatever, or they're
playing, you know, in the NBAbecause their parents were so
hard on them.
Like, I don't think they're madat that, but you know, in the
NBA because their parents wereso hard on them.
Like, I don't think they're madat that, but you know, at the
same time, it's just got to besomething that the parents are
considerate about.
But on that flip side, whereyou talk about the pressures, oh
(06:16):
man, yeah, I can see that too.
So overall, I think it'sprobably for the best, and I
think a lot of parents do meanwell.
But it's just one of thosethings kind of case by case, but
overall I think they mean welland I think it's probably better
just for that structure.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, I'll add to that, because not only the
structure because that's whatthey know, right, there's
routines, there's a blueprint tobe able to be successful in
that lane, but also you got tothink about the resources, the
people that they come across,right the business owners, the
(06:58):
CEOs, the VPs.
You know the connections, ceos,the VPs, you know the
connections, and so, really,it's a great opportunity to have
that under your belt, becauseeven with that, even having that
structure, the access toresources, there's always going
to be that black sheep that'snot going to do none of that,
(07:21):
right, there's always going tobe.
And even if it's a black sheepmoment, like you know what, now
I want to do that, I want tofigure it out on my own.
Thank you for paving the wayfor me to do that, but I don't
want to do that at all, and sowhat can happen then is they, uh
, uh, the the parents may feellike, hey, you know what, you're
(07:45):
breaking up the legacy here,right, and plus, you're not even
a master at what you're talkingabout.
So if you want to be a musician,right, you want to do something
completely different.
You want to be an actor, youknow.
You want to go into, you know,maybe a different type of
vocation, school or somethinglike that.
(08:07):
They're going to feel likeyou're off course, but they're
also going to feel like theycan't help you, and so I want to
kind of dig into the differencebetween a role model and a
mentor, that this is one of myfavorite subjects I like to talk
about, so that this is one ofmy favorite subjects I like to
(08:27):
talk about.
You know, we just recentlylaunched a mentor, a mentorship
program starting with young manat 12 years old, called the EG
League, so you guys can go toPops and Son and kind of get
some more information.
But you know, I love talking tothe, to the youth, about the
difference between a role modeland they and a mentor.
(08:49):
So, jay, when you think aboutit, but what comes to mind of
the importance of both, becauseI do feel like both have their
place, but what do you know isthe difference or what comes to
mind when you think about bothof them?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
so, right off the bat , I feel like role models are
more of, like, your publicfigures.
Mentors are going to be yourpersonal ones, right?
So your role models, uh, thatmight be somebody and you know
this, this phrase has beencoined, uh, recently your, it
may be an influencer you followonline that you just think is
(09:26):
somebody cool and maybe youidentify with them.
You see something in them thatyou don't or, like I said, you
identify.
So you know, maybe they'redoing something that you do that
you don't see a lot around you,or a lot of your friends don't
do.
So it kind of makes you feel,um, you know, a little bit more
(09:46):
acceptable, like, okay, this ismaybe I'm not this, this weirdo
that, like that's into such andsuch, because this person I see
is into it as well.
But, um, a mentor, on the otherhand, you know that's somebody
that, like I said, it's a lotmore personal.
That's going to be somebody whosees your potential and is even
(10:07):
going to hold you accountableto it.
They'll give you feedback.
A coach is another good term Ilike to think of when you think
about what coaches do to theirplayers.
What coaches do you know totheir players, like how they,
you know, maybe sometimes be alittle bit hard on them, but
it's only because they want tobring the best out of them and
(10:29):
they see the potential and theywant to help them grow.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with you 1000%.
I always tell this storyAnytime I talk about mentorship
and role models.
I remember being booked to uh,to host a rooftop party in
Minneapolis, minnesota, and itwas a bunch of ladies I'm not
going to lie man, it wasprobably about eight to ten
(10:55):
ladies that was in this areathat I was in the lobby of the
hotel because the rooftop was atthat hotel and then there was
like one guy.
So I'm looking at the dude like, hey, man, you, you got to stay
here, like we got to be eye toeye, we got to be on the same
page.
Even if it's just for thismoment, set aside our
differences and how you feel, wegot to be on the same page.
(11:17):
And I remember, you know theconversation just talking about
the difference between, you know, um, a role model and a mentor
and and really I was talkingmore so the importance of a
mentor in our communities.
Because a role model you canhave a role model be someone
that you see and never meet.
It could be an athlete, itcould be an actor, it could be
(11:40):
an author, it could be somebodywho you know is really popular
and that could be a role model.
But that role model isn'tnecessarily taking you through
the steps of success in whateveryou're interested in.
And so that's where a mentorcomes into play, because they
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specialize in helping younavigate through whatever you're
interested in.
And so if your dad sells cars,if your dad is a mechanic and
you want to get into IT, well,your daddy can't help you,
meaning he can't teach you.
(12:23):
But I think what he can do is hecan bridge the gap and get you
access to that resource, bridgethe gap and introduce you to a
mentor.
I think that will be extremelypowerful versus feeling like, oh
well, he ain't your daddy, orI'm always be your dad, and you
(12:45):
know what I mean.
And that can kind of defuse anytype of animosity when it comes
to that kid or that young adultreally want to thrive in that
field, and not feeling likethey're going to disappoint
their parents because they'renot going into whatever that
industry is through the lineage.
(13:07):
So I think that that'sextremely powerful.
Mentorship is not easy Like.
In order to be a mentor likeyou, you have to go through
mentorship yourself, so you haveto know what that process is
like.
You have to understand thateach individual is going to be
different.
People have different learningcurves and you have to be
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extremely flexible with allthese different personalities.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, I agree.
I think that today, I think wehave a lot more role models than
mentors.
I think we definitely have alack of mentors and I think even
that, when we talk about thegenerations, I think there's a
disconnect there.
I'm not even sure if you knowthey understand what.
(14:10):
You know what a mentor is orhow to, how to find one or how
to seek one out, or you know howto to even go about that.
You know what I mean.
So, yes, it's definitelysomething that you know there's.
There's got to be somethingdone.
There's got to be somethingdone.
You know what I mean and I knowthere's different programs and
you know.
I think we'll probably get intothat a little bit later in the
conversation.
But, yeah, I agree with you100%, pops.
Mentorship definitely got to beon the forefront, something
(14:32):
that we got to keep pushing itand having conversations about.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
You have those conversations, and I think that
these are the type of thingsthat we need to look at.
When, when we're doing thefamily reunions, and that that's
even sounds foreign, right,like, when's the last time you
went to a family reunion ofyours?
Yeah, I ain't talking about agood friend of yours that said
that you know they're gonna becooking ribs and everything I'm
talking about.
Actually, your family reunions,and family reunions don't have
(15:01):
to be eight, nine generationsand don't have to be 200 to 300
people.
You know, at the cookout witht-shirts on right, family
reunion can, can literally bethat people that you have not
met in your, in your lineage, inyour family tree, it could be
just everybody being at the sameplace at one time.
(15:22):
For a change, like those, to me,are family reunions that truly
matter.
So when we get into that, whenwe talk about the parents being
the leaders, that's somethingthat we need to hold ourselves
accountable for.
That's something that we needto hold ourselves accountable
for.
Like you know, I want to see myaunts and uncles and cousins
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and siblings, because you knowthey're adults and they live in
different states, and let'slet's make this happen, because
it's so easy to get caught up inyour own family dynamic and you
guys are, you know, going tothe lake and you guys are going
to to uh, you know the mountainsand and taking trips across
seas and stuff like that, whenyou have a whole generation that
truly may need you and at somepoint you may need them.
(16:08):
Now you're in their city, nowyou're in their state, now you
realize you have a cousin whowas the mayor.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Now you realize that you have a cousin who's the
mayor.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Now you realize that you have a, a celebrity stylist
aunt.
Now you, now you have, you know, uh, mr, check three times in
atlanta yeah, connect the dotsto atlanta.
You know, can I come to one ofyour shows or something, bro,
what's happening?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
yeah, yeah, yeah, see , that's that's you know, that's
so important.
When we see connecting thosedots, though, right, right, this
is, you know this.
But this is also something thatI think a lot of people just
you know is lost on them, and wetalked about that structure
earlier, about in the household.
(16:51):
But this is another.
This is like another, just likeexpansion of that right, it's
not even a structure, it's moreexpansion of that, right, it's
not even a structure, it's morelike a ecosystem, right?
So, when you're able to, youknow, touch down and connect,
you know, now you have a modelof you know what I'm saying of
the network, right, yeah, so,yeah, man, I think that's
(17:15):
brilliant.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah, for sure, you know that's something that we
have to be very intentional andremind ourselves, remind those
family members that are good atorganizing, and really make
things happen.
It doesn't have to be on agrand, huge scale.
We could just start with, youknow, a handful of family
members at a time and build fromthat.
(17:37):
So I want to encourage you,know, all the listeners out
there that you know, familyreunions does not have to be 400
people and you go and you, yourent out, you know, parks and or
not rent out parks and justtaking over the grills oh, man
Right, you don't even have apermit.
But you, you using all sixgrills at the park.
(17:58):
Man, it's supposed to be public.
Cut it out, man, knock it off.
But in real life, though, I dolove those opportunities that we
can take.
Those are so important.
I've never been in any type offamily gathering, family reunion
or whatever the case, and notfeel heart warm, oh yeah.
(18:20):
My heart is always warm.
I'm always happy to see.
You know even my siblings, andyou've witnessed this, you know,
a handful of times.
You know just the closeness andyou know it's like, even though
we haven't seen each other inmonths and months and months,
it's like we never missed a beatwhen we're in person.
So I think that's reallyimportant for people to always
(18:42):
keep that connectivity withinyour family and your household
as well, of course.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yes, it's beautiful.
I ain't gonna lie Just sittinghere thinking about it,
reminiscing on them.
Old days, man, you know you getolder and it's like you don't
see your folks as often.
So you have all those, you know, those those great memories of
you know y'all playing cardgames or board games or whatever
the case is.
But, yeah, that's, that's whyit's so important to just to
(19:12):
keep the connectivity, keep thatwifi connection going, you know
.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Definitely.
You know what I do want topivot a little bit.
I want to because I want tomake sure that we get enough
time for this specific topic.
I want to talk about whatleadership looks like now versus
what it looked like then, andobviously we're talking about a
few different generations, but Istill believe the evolution.
(19:40):
And what is the opposite ofevolution?
Regression?
What is the opposite?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, that's, that would be one of the fair yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
So I want the good, the bad and and candid about it,
because leadership, even beforemy time being, you know a 70s
babies and my parents you knowbeing boomers even leadership to
them look a lot different.
It looks a lot differentbecause they had, you know,
(20:17):
martin Luther King Jr, they hadMalcolm X, marcus Garvey you
know that may be a littlefurther back, but but they had,
you know, jesse Jackson, ralph,david Abernathy.
You know they just had a lotgoing on and and these people
was not playing games, they puttheir life on the line, jay, to
(20:40):
to stand up for the community,to stand up for rights, civil
rights.
And it's different, like, andwe have to admit that it is
different because thisgeneration and some other
generations, they, they don'tbelieve in doing all that, so to
(21:01):
speak.
They want to figure out waysthat they can do things
different, right.
So so now, if you talk aboutmarching, if you talk about
boycotting, if you, if you talkabout doing different
demonstrations, obviously itlooks a lot different than it
did in the 60s, in the 70s.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, with the advent of
things like social media and allthat, we have a lot more
avenues to kind of voice ouropinions and, you know,
congregate or rally or or evenjust to spread awareness.
You know what I'm saying aboutissues that are going on.
You mentioned those, a lot ofleaders, but I would say some of
(21:49):
the leaders of today that arekind of doing that.
You got people like 19 Keys Iwatch a lot of his videos.
Rza Islam does a good job of,you know, just kind of raising
awareness and things like that.
There's a guy named Wall StreetTrapper that's raising
awareness.
So, and interestingly enough,these are all what you would
(22:10):
call influencers or role models,and that kind of goes back to
what I was saying earlier about,like, we have a lot, a lot role
models, but I'm not sure ifthey're doing any actual uh,
mentorship, uh, in the community.
But, yeah, so so the leadershipof of today is a lot different.
It's not, I don't think it's asuh, physical or in person.
You know it's a lot of, youknow, people talking about
(22:34):
issues or people, um, you know,you know getting mics and maybe
doing a podcast or doing it, um,going live about it.
But the actual work, I you know, I would have to agree with you
that, um it's.
There is a key difference there.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I would say yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
And when you think about it, uh, it digs a little deeper, or
did dig a little deeper backthen, because we're talking
about the actual household.
They talked about theimportance of having a mother,
father, in the household.
They talked about how importantit was to have your
(23:12):
grandparents in your householdRight, so it talked more so
about true family, uh, dynamic,like you can have a household of
20 people right now and thentake, take that in perspective.
So in today, our communitylaughs at the Latinos or the,
(23:40):
the, the Indian and the native,how they, how they have big
households.
They talk about, oh man, howyou got 20 people in your
household like that, right, sothink about it.
We actually started that first.
We started it first in ourculture.
You know grandma and granddad.
Between the two of them, they'dhave 20, 21 kids.
(24:02):
They had 15 kids.
Everybody had a job to do.
So it wasn't like everybody'sjust laying around and and
everybody got to go get a job.
No, no, they was verydomesticated.
Agriculture was huge and justhaving a skill was was always, I
(24:25):
would say, almost mandatory.
Like you're going to be doingsomething right.
You're going to literally havea skill, whether you want it to
or not, whether it is thelandscaping or taking care of
the pigs or whatever the case isright, washing the farm, the
side of the farm, whatever thecase is, everybody had a duty.
(24:47):
So as they gotten older andhave their own families, you got
to follow suit and think aboutthis, jay.
Think about this if, if youhave everyone on that estate, if
you will, on that farm, on thatacreage now we're talking about
serious generational wealth.
(25:08):
You're not kicking people outto go get an apartment they can
barely afford, just to come backto your house two years later,
right.
So now we're talking aboutacreage.
We're talking about poolingresources so we can make a, we
can continue to make aconglomerate within our family
(25:32):
structure and dynamic.
We may start out with 10 acres,but if everybody's doing what
they need to do and we'reraising funds and we have, you
know we believe in groupeconomics all we're going to do
is continue to leverage that andwe're going to have acreage in
different cities and differentareas.
(25:54):
We'll expand where we're at,but we're building, and so now
it makes a lot more sense whenwe talk about raising our kids.
Now they don't have to go to adaycare where we're paying $400,
$450 a week, and we're tryingto get help from the government.
(26:14):
Out of 450, they want to pay$75, right?
So now we're utilizing grandma,grandpa, great-grandma,
great-grandpa.
They're now fulfilled in theirolder years, right?
They're able to see theirgenerations in front of them
(26:35):
instead of, oh well, why mygreat grandbabies don't come and
see me?
Right, because now they'reraising them, and so now we can
pull again our resources.
We can get whatever we want.
We may start out with a farm,but now guess what, since we
have money, we have education,we have resources, we have a
(26:57):
diversity, you know, we'rediverse within our own household
, and so now we can have a lawfirm to extend the legacy.
Now we can have, you know, amedical center.
Now we can have a securityagency within our own generation
(27:20):
.
So to me, man, that's whatlegacy, you know, is all about.
Just really, you know,respecting our elders and you
know our neighborhoods, doingour check-ins, and to me, jay,
that's old school, that's oldschool.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, yeah, now you cook, Now you definitely cook,
but I mean I don't know.
So if that's old school, what'snew school?
I mean we don't have, we're notdoing that.
No more People aren't livingunder the household like that,
doing a farm on an acreage, andthings like that.
It's a lot more individualistic.
So I think we've lost even theconcept of that.
(28:02):
You said earlier.
We laugh at when we see it likeit's almost frowned upon or
something like that, but really,in reality, it's probably the
smartest thing that you could doas a family it has to be yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I mean, when you think about it, even being
chastised for having roommates.
Now, as men, jay, we, we get nomercy.
Now, ladies, you can all yourgirlfriends you know live in
living in a four bedroom, threebath.
It makes sense to them, right?
They're going to save, they'regoing to pull their resources
(28:43):
together, they're going to havegroceries for days.
They're going to make it happen.
They're going to make thathouse a home for each one of
those individuals.
Now you got four guys in afour-bedroom, four-bath.
What's that looking like onsocial media?
What are they talking aboutwith that, jay?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Nah, man, yeah, you getting no mercy man, you, you
got roommates, right, man, no,you got roommates.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
that's crazy, like like it's like you're not even
supposed to do that, man, likeyou're supposed to be fully
self-sufficient man, it's yeah,it's wild that's the world we
live in, though, um, you know,and there's a lot of differences
that we have to admit, uh, butone thing that I feel like is
nostalgic, which happens with alot of people when they go to
(29:34):
their grandparents house ortheir great grandparents house
that lives out there in thecountry that are minimalist,
right, but they enjoy thenon-polluted air right, the
excessive electronics, and it'sjust a simplistic lifestyle that
(29:56):
you can appreciate Birds,chirping, bees buzzing,
mosquitoes biting.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Fireflies at night.
All of that.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Man Appreciate birds, chirping bees, buzzing
mosquitoes biting Fireflies atnight, all of that, man, nobody
can say and I'm just being juststraight up with this Nobody can
say that you don't get a senseof peace when you go out there
to your great grandparents, yourgrandparents' house, Number one
, it's going to be a drive, ohyeah, it's going to be a drive.
(30:21):
Oh yeah, it's going to be adrive.
And maybe not your parents,because your parents, you know,
they move into the city forwhatever, but your great
grandparents and your greatgreat grandparents, oh, you got
to go to their land to go seeabout them, jay, you got to go
to their land.
It's a road trip, it's a roadtrip, it's a road trip.
(30:47):
And I, and I love that because,when you think about it, man,
those are the, you know, um,grandma, with the, with the, the
cakes, the homemade meals,sweet tea, the lemonade, man,
the food was just different overthere, she's going out, uh, to
pick up fresh vegetables out thegarden.
You know what I mean?
Like, their food is organic.
Oh, man, it's just a wholedifferent lifestyle.
(31:08):
And you got to think aboutthose porch talks, you know, and
the, the, the, the cookouts,the, the music, everybody
dancing.
You know, there's no neighborsfor miles away, so you don't
have to worry about anybodycalling 12.
That's a different life andlifestyle.
And one thing that I do have tomention those therapeutic talks
(31:35):
with the elders.
Oh man, you can absorb so muchwisdom, and sometimes it's not
even a private talk.
You just listen to granddad,great granddad, like, for
instance, on father's day.
You listen to your granddad spitgame, right yeah, he was in
game and he wasn't about hey,you know, uh, be a ladies man,
(31:57):
don't settle, don't get.
He was actually encouragingrelationships and marriage.
He was just saying you need youbetter vet better.
Yeah, you better do, or you canget caught up in the matrix.
So he did say that.
But just being able to allowthem to talk their talk and they
(32:17):
don't mind, like all of thefolks they'll talk, let them
cook, hey, they, the folksthey'll talk.
Let them cook, hey, they'regoing to cook.
Man, and look you, you betterSit back, relax and be quiet and
soak in that knowledge.
That's your best bet.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, yeah, Insight.
There's too much insight andwisdom to let go to us.
I love hearing my elders speak.
Man, it's one of those thingswhere because I lost my
great-grandma a few years backand I just kind of reminisce
about her, you know, you thinkit's something trivial, but you
(32:59):
know one thing that she wouldalways do she would go out in
the yard and just look atflowers, Just look at nature,
and it took me so long tounderstand why she was out there
for so long, Like she'd be outthere for an hour.
Yeah, I'm like man, where isshe?
Yeah she's out there looking atthem, yeah, yeah.
(33:20):
Until I got out there one timeand I did I'm like oh, this is
grounding, this is peace, thisis you know.
Just being out in this naturereminds you of who you are and
you know and what you are.
So, yeah, the elders man wisdomand insight, and never, never
mistaken.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Most definitely wisdom and insight and never,
never mistake it.
Most definitely.
You know, uh, shout out to um,you know your grandma, granddad
bob and d maloy.
This is how you know it's oldschool when, when they say their
names together that's how youknow uh, mark and martha you
know what I'm saying Abigail andAnthony, bob and Dee like that
(34:05):
lets you know that they're one.
You only have to try to figureout if they still married or
they're still together, becauseyou're saying their name as if
it's one.
Yeah, package, right, theypackaged up.
Man Speaking of package, look,we're going to go ahead and wrap
up this show and man, listen,we want you guys to continue to
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that our community and ourlisteners can actually implement
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Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, I love it.
I love it and I know they'lllove it too.
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