March 13, 2025 • 37 mins
The delicate dance of co-parenting while dating new people creates unique challenges that can leave single parents caught between competing priorities. In this candid conversation, we tackle a listener question about hospital visitation rights that perfectly illustrates this tension: When a child is hospitalized, should dad's new girlfriend have unlimited access if mom isn't comfortable with it?
This scenario opens up a deeper exploration of the jealousy, control issues, and boundary problems that can emerge when blending families. We break down the critical red flags single parents should watch for when dating, from partners who try to insert themselves inappropriately into co-parenting dynamics to those who love-bomb with excessive affection or rush relationship milestones before trust is established.
But our discussion doesn't stop at warning signs. We reflect on what makes relationships genuinely compatible for single parents, including the underrated green flag of being able to share comfortable silence without awkwardness. As two generations with different perspectives, we offer complementary insights into finding partners who respect your priorities and understand that children's well-being must always come first.
Whether you're a single parent navigating the dating world or someone considering a relationship with someone who has kids, this episode provides thoughtful guidance for avoiding relationship disasters while building connections that enhance rather than complicate your family life. Subscribe and follow us on social media for more conversations that tackle life's complications with honesty and heart.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Okay, welcome to another episode of Pops and Son
Conversations.
Of course it is your favoriteSilver Fox, rob Malloy.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And it is Son here Javen.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
All right, man, here we are.
How you feeling, jay?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I feel good, pop, I feel good.
It's a good day.
You know, life is good.
I got no complaints.
Yeah, hey, congratulations onthe event where you're doing
(00:41):
your poetry man, you was killingthe crowd.
Poetry has always beensomething so near and dear to me
for so long.
It really feels good to sharethat energy with other people
and get the appreciation.
A lot of folks came up to meand was like you did your thing.
I really appreciated that andI'm ready to get back at it too.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Okay, sooner than later, man, we'll, we'll make
sure that everybody knows what'sgoing on locally, as we have
the events and stuff like that.
So, yeah, man, so let's, let'sjump into this, because I feel
like we have a lot of unfinishedbusiness in this episode yeah,
(01:30):
that's true, we, we got um.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So last episode we talked about dating as a single
father and all that that entails.
Right, we, we had a good timetalking about that.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
It was a lot on the plate and it always will be man
anytime you start talking aboutthe navigation of dating, just
period.
You know single father, singlemother.
You know single individual withwithout children, you know.
You know because people are indifferent stages in their life,
(01:57):
you know, and so when you catchthem, depending on if they can
be truthful, transparent andhonest about their situation,
you know you can find yourselfin an adventure.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, Very true indeed, so there was one thing
that we got to get to from thelast episode, though.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
You know, we did have a viewer email in with a
question, right?
So I'm going to go ahead andI'm going to read it once again,
just for the sake of thisepisode, so we know what's going
on.
So listener emailed us and saidwhy does the new woman in us?
(02:47):
And said why does the new womanin?
Okay, so just to give a littlepreference.
This is pertaining to singlefather dating and basically
introduce or having to blend thefamilies or introduce, you know
, your new person to the fatherof your kid or the mother of
your kid.
So she says why does the newwoman in his life have to have a
(03:10):
say in how my baby daddyinteracts with his child?
So basically, she says her sonwas shot recently and the son's
father wants his new girlfriendto be added to the visitors list
at the hospital, to be able tothe visitors list at the
hospital, to be able to come inwhenever she wants, and
basically they don't get along.
(03:30):
So she wants to know, basically, why did the dad do this?
Like, why, what?
What was the motive behind thedad, you know, feeling the need
to add, add her to the list toadd her to the list.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Okay, that's interesting.
So let's back up a little bitso that we can just kind of give
some context of the differentchallenges you know, and
realistic expectations.
So before we address that, Ithink it's important that we
really understand what happenssometimes and what I'm referring
(04:06):
to.
Also, we reference, if you guyswant to check out the episode
prior to this as well.
We talk about, you know, theobstacles of dating after you've
been with someone.
You guys had a child, sosometimes you know it can happen
after a few years.
(04:26):
Sometimes it happens when thechildren are a little bit older.
You know, sometimes it happenswhen the kids are infants.
Man, when the kids are small andfrom what I've noticed, you
know there's not a lot of ladieswill actually entertain, when
it comes to relationship wise, aman that has a small child, or
(04:49):
or especially an infant child,because you know a.
You guys still may be trying tofigure things out, you may be
going through an up and downroller coaster coaster, but what
I think, though, jay, whathappens is ladies realize that
(05:10):
you still have that bond withyour child's father, and so if a
woman is a little hesitant ingetting involved with a guy is
because she knows how she waswhen it was time to you know,
figure out.
Are we going to be a family ornot?
Are we going to do what ittakes?
Are we going to get through theobstacles?
I think that's the first thingthat comes to mind is like okay,
(05:32):
I know when my child was likesix months old or one years old.
Those are some milestones thatyou guys typically share
together.
Is that fair to say?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, I think that's fair to say and I think it also
might.
It might just be a little bitbiological too, right?
I mean, it's just the nature ofthings.
You're gonna have a certainamount of, uh, reverence and
regard for the, you know, theparent, the other parents, so
it's just, I think it's a bitnatural and that's not something
(06:06):
like.
I think it would be morealarming if you know they had no
type of of feeling afterwards,after the kid is born, he's just
like no, I'm good, like I'm,I'm great, it's, I don't, I
don't need you, I don't care foryou.
So, yeah, so, so you know,either mom or dad still
(06:27):
harboring some type of feeling.
I think it's completely natural.
But, to your point, that doeslay credence to why there's some
hesitation around.
You know, wanting to talk tosomebody that has a kid, that's,
you know, in that stage infantstage, toddler stage, whatever
(06:48):
it is because you know, you know, just through experience, you
may be like, oh man, yeah, Iremember I was feeling about,
about old girl or old boy.
So yeah, it checks out for sure.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, yeah, it really does.
And each dynamic is going to beunique.
And you know, sometimes youfigure out that you guys aren't
a good fit and that'sunfortunate because now you have
a child involved, you won't beco-parenting in the same
household, and then all thechallenges that come with that.
(07:22):
You know you're introducing thechild to different
relationships, and it doesn'tnecessarily mean romantic
relationships, it's just that.
You know now mommy and daddyhave, you know, different
friends that don't all come tothe house, that used to come to
the house.
It's just so many differentthings, man, and it really
(07:43):
shares and sheds light to someof the relationship struggles as
you get a little bit older,because now you also got to keep
in mind you don't want that kidto have really access to you,
figuring things out withsomebody else, right, and what
(08:08):
comes with those challenges.
So now, that being said, let'skind of dig back into to that
you know scenario that we talkedabout before, because now we're
talking about uh relationshipor dating life.
After uh, you guys are nolonger together.
So you have that co-parentinguh experience and and even with
that man that you know I talkedabout before you know the gas
(08:30):
station pickups and drop offs.
You know a lot of that happensonce somebody is now in a new
relationship.
So you know, now the baby moms,you know she can't come by the
house no more.
Now the daddy.
He can't swing through no more.
Now there's more boundaries.
(08:51):
Exactly, you need to bringlittle Tommy home at 6 pm, not
11 pm.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
So you have to keep those in mind.
And a lot of times also, again,there's some influence on the
new partner.
Let's just keep it 100.
There's a lot of for some.
You know, you've proven, you'veproven that.
Okay, you know what?
We are not romanticallyinvolved, we are just
co-parenting.
Now you have to reiterate thatyou're only co-parenting, like
(09:25):
you have to reiterate thatyou're only co-parenting.
Right, you have to go throughthat period of time with your
new partner that you guys youknow, aren't intimate anymore
and man, it's just further.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
you know, now, not only do you, of course, yeah,
you have to explain, but now youkind of have to deal with these
new, these new boundaries.
Right, you got to figure outhow to navigate, how your
partner feels about them, youknow, and it could put pressure
on.
I mean, I think it putpressures on all sides because
(10:11):
All parties involved, yeah, allparties involved, exactly.
So you know you may feelpressure because you know the
new girl that you're talking to,the new woman that you're in a
relationship, feels a certaintype of way about whatever you
got going on.
Yeah, and we kind of talkedabout this last episode too, but
just given the scenario, Idon't, I'm just so.
(10:34):
I feel like you know that likethat is just in, really, between
a rock and a hard place, right.
Right, he's trying to keep thepeace and keep everybody happy,
yeah, but I'm not necessarilysure that the new woman needs to
(10:57):
be there, I don't.
Yeah, I think he could.
The way I feel about it, Ithink he probably could have.
He could have took the way Ifeel about it, I think he
probably could have.
He could have, um, he couldhave took the bullet on that.
But, like I said, that's that'sthe pressure, right, because, if
, because, if he says, nah, youcan't be on the list, I don't
think that is a good idea thenhe's got, you know, maybe a
(11:20):
storm that he has to come backto at home, or maybe now he got
to deal with a, a cold shoulderor something like that, and
that's his relationship.
He doesn't have a relationshipwith the mother, so he's not,
you know, there's no, no cold.
He don't care about no coldshoulder or nothing like that.
You know what I'm saying.
But also, this scenario wasjust so, so much more serious,
(11:43):
being that, you know, with theson being in the hospital and
the condition he's in, I justwould think, like you said
before, the child is really themost important.
So what's really going to bethe most optimal scenario for
the kid to be in good graces,not having to stress or worry
(12:06):
about anything or just any likeI think probably just mom and
dad need to be there To me.
That's my thoughts on it.
I can see that.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I could see that.
I also think that, moreimportantly, there has to be
already some type of of rapportwith the mom and with the new
partner, because, in allactuality, if we talk about from
a legal standpoint, she hasabsolutely zero about.
(12:45):
From a legal standpoint she hasabsolutely zero, uh, you know
there's, there's zero reasonunless she is the wife, yeah,
but but even with that, she'sstill not the biological mother,
she's probably not anywhere onthe paperwork.
So, um, that's the father andthe mother's child and that's
just something that you know hasto be respected.
(13:05):
Yeah.
Anything outside of that, ofcourse, you know, you can always
have conversation, but I thinkthat is non-negotiable when we
talk about the best interest ofthe child, because, again, there
has to be some type of familyplan.
You know you, because you stillhave mothers and fathers and
aunties and grandmas.
So how is she out ranking them?
(13:28):
You know what I mean exactlyfrom a legal, from a legal
standpoint, from, uh, uh, just acomfortability standpoint.
So I think it's one of thosescenarios where the father of
the child and his new partnerprobably have an independent
(13:49):
struggle of access to the child,of you know role or position
you know towards the new partnerand the child, and that's
really hard to navigate,especially if you're dating.
Even if you're living in, evenif you're living together,
you're still not husband andwife.
(14:09):
Even if you're engaged this ismy personal opinion Even if
you're engaged, you're still nothusband and wife.
So there's really no, there'sno legal standpoint where people
need to be positionedprematurely, if you will,
because you know the, the mother, definitely you know that that
(14:32):
whole story and scenario.
Obviously there's some thingsthat should have taken place
prior to being in that type ofsituation, because now you know
that's tough, the child is, isin the hospital.
(14:53):
Of course you want all hands ondeck who can help and assist,
but at the same time you don'twant additional internal issues,
man, because that's not goingto help, it's going to cause
more friction and then you knowwho knows what happens.
At that point, man, we're goingto need the new partner and the
(15:16):
baby moms.
You know, meeting in the lobbyyou know what I'm saying Like
like three o'clock high.
Yeah, we don't need nosituations like that, man, where
they squabbling in the no Inthe lobby man, next to the
drinks and snacks, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I would hate to see.
I would hate to see somethinglike that.
I would hate to see somethinglike that pop.
But you know, whatever witheverything you said it, it
really kind of brings me to agreat segue, right, uh, which is
actually the topic for thisepisode.
We answered the question, butthe topic for this episode,
right?
(16:00):
So I'm going to just flat outsay it Okay, I feel like that
there's a hint of jealousy andsome control issues going on
right there.
I'm going to just be honestLike for you to feel like you
need to be there or you puttingpressure on him to have you
(16:22):
there, you might think thatsomething's going on.
It's not going on.
That's jealousy, that's control.
What do we call that?
It's a red flag, it is.
That's a red flag.
I think that's a red flag.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I'm a rock with you on this, I do.
I think that that's a red flag.
I'm a rock with you on this, Ido.
I think that that's a red flagas well.
And then you got to keep inmind, you know, you don't know
what that household or thatdynamic looks like.
Do they have any childrentogether?
Does she have any kids?
Because now you start lookingat, you know, the control factor
Like hey, you got your own kids, I don't have anything to do
(16:59):
with them.
I'm factor like hey, you gotyour own kids, I don't have
anything to do with them, I'mnot involved with them.
And and then, of course, again,the father.
The dad, he's in the middle ofall this and so now he has to,
he has to decide, you know, uh,which direction to go.
Uh, because peace is definitelynot in his future, because he's
(17:20):
going to be in the middle man,he's going to be in a tug of war
for a good minute.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
What With the weight of the world on his shoulders.
I'm telling you Drowning.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
The weight of the world, man, that's true man.
So let's talk about that.
Let's talk about some red flagsas a single dad, to kind of
watch for in a potential partner.
So we'll kind of reverseengineer this episode, uh, and
as far as the topic wise, so, uh, I'll ask you.
So when, when you're dating,when you're meeting someone,
(17:53):
when you're getting to know them, you know, obviously there's
some stuff that you have toshare up front.
I would say children, uh, ifyou're involved in their life,
especially meaning if you haveto share up front, I would say
children, if you're involved intheir life, especially meaning
if you have to tell them hey,you know what, this Saturday is
not good.
You know, we're going to thefair.
This is something that we dowith this weekend.
We're going on a cruise.
It's something that we hadalready planned, whatever the
(18:13):
case is.
So there's certain things thatI think that you should be
forthcoming when it comes to asa single dad, right, but when it
comes to red flags with someonethat you're getting to know, I
mean, what are the things thatstand out with you, jay?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
So, yeah, I know this all too well because I'm good
at identifying my red flags.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
OK, that's good, yeah , I want to straight up my red
flags, okay.
Okay, that's good, I want totake it straight up.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
So one I already mentioned the jealousy and the
control.
That's a major red flag.
Okay, we old enough to thepoint that we understand people
are busy, we understand thatpeople aren't always available
and we understand that peoplehave their own personal lives,
right Outside of dating, outsideof well, mainly dating.
Right, if it's crazy, right, ifwe dating and you getting
(19:10):
jealous or you trying to controlaspects of my life, or yeah,
nah, you getting cut off.
Red flag, I don't need you toyou not making it past red flag,
I don't need you.
You're not making it past thefirst gate, okay.
So that's definitely number one.
Um, I would say number two forme.
This is another one.
It's called love bombing.
(19:33):
So what love bombing is isbasically when somebody is like
overly maybe, like showing you,like too much attention,
infatuation, almost to the pointthat it's like chill a little
bit, okay, like maybe just beinga little bit too into me.
To me that's a red flag becauseyou know from my experience it
(19:57):
can wear off.
And then it's like all right,so you was feeling me super hard
in the beginning.
So what was that?
Was that real, was that fake?
I was like what's going on?
So I don't like the lovebombing.
I don't like for women to comein and just shower me with
compliments or try to say allthis and it's like I love it,
(20:17):
but let's just keep it on asubtle, you know what I'm saying
.
A subtle, it's cool.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Organic authentic.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Exactly Authentic is the word Like, because that
doesn't feel.
It just doesn't feel authenticto me.
You know, when you saying thatit's like hey, like chill, I
know I look good, it's cool.
You don't have to keep tellingme that I love good, it's cool.
You don't have to keep tellingme that I love it.
But like just chill.
So yeah, that's probably my topthree.
(20:46):
The jealousy control and thenthe love bond would be my top
three.
Okay, what about you Pop?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, you know, I have this theory and everybody,
you guys will hear this fromtime to time as, as you continue
to listen to the podcast, youknow, um, a higher slow and a
fire fast.
And so, um, what that means isa higher slow, meaning we're
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going to go through an entireprocess of the getting to know
stage.
Know, I think it's really weird.
I mean and again, this is 2025.
You guys are listening to thisin 2025, uh, which I will be 50
in october, and you know, atthis age, I, I don't like to be
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rushed to do anything.
You know, I don't, uh, even ifwe're having conversation, I
don't want a woman to say, well,when you gonna take me out,
what, what are you talking to?
Like?
And so it, it gives me pausebecause it's like it makes me
(21:58):
think that you are still stuckin the last relationship or the
last encounter or situationshipyou was in.
And those are some of thethings that are still stuck in
your head, like, why did it takeso long for him to give me a
(22:18):
ring or to ask me out, or for usto, you know, go on a trip or
whatever the case is, it's likeit, it kind of carries over.
It's some spillage, right, Ican.
I can tell the spillage becauseit's stuff that you know.
I didn't even really get achance to show you as far as you
know who I am and how I operate.
(22:41):
So when you're asking questions, I might have been good, you
know, I might have been ready toask you that night, right, you
know what I'm saying.
That might have been the nightor that might have been the day
that I was like, hey, you knowwhat.
Your schedule's been crazy, myschedule's been crazy.
I know we've been doing a lot ofgo grab uh, you know some
brunch, or why don't we go grabyou know some coffee and and and
(23:16):
some to eat, or, you know, gosomewhere where it's quiet,
where we can talk and and justkind of feel each other's energy
, because I think energy is soimportant.
You can have a lot of energy onthe phone, right.
You can have a lot of energy onthe phone, right, you can have
a lot of energy and video chatand stuff like that.
(23:39):
But when you're sharing eachother's space you can't fake it.
Then, like you can only pretendfor so long until you're
uncomfortable.
If you're uncomfortable, right.
And so I'm just really big onenergy, and one of the things
about that, or a main thing, isa woman's temperance.
I need to know, like you know,how do you really navigate when
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you are uncomfortable, or isthere moments where you think
silence is awkward, or do youfeel like you have to keep
explaining yourself and sharingthings and do you feel like
you're pulling teeth with ourcomments?
That means, you know, thingsshould be a really easy flow
whenever we're together orwhenever we're not sharing the
(24:29):
same space, and those are thethings that I think that we
should pay attention to, becausesome people just like to talk
right, some people like somepeople just like to talk, they
like to hear themselves and theythink, because the other person
is quiet, that they're actuallya soundboard.
But really like me, man, I maybe falling asleep.
I'm going to tell you straightup, man.
(24:52):
I mean I wonder sometimes, dowomen actually know that they've
been talking nonstop for 10, 15minutes without taking a breath
?
I mean, I hope somebody hearsme out, because there is a
brother out here that has beenaccused of either not paying
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attention or being insensitiveor, you know, not being
thoughtful, because he couldn'tget through this woman's
dissertation.
He couldn't get through it.
Oh, my goodness.
You know, you usually get aboutan hour.
I got to check with my team youteam usually about an hour for
a dissertation, you know, andit's a lot because you know
(25:39):
folks are talking and talkingand you're not even paying
attention on the energy on theother side, right?
Because if so, hey, you knowwhat?
And I love to see this aboutwomen.
Hey, you know what?
I've been talking a lot.
I know I like to talk, you know, is there something that you
want to say?
You know, are you good do?
(26:01):
Am I talking?
Okay, like, obviously, you knowthat's a unicorn situation,
right?
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I'm about to say how about that right?
Speaker 1 (26:08):
yeah, I don't that has before, but maybe once a
decade.
But, yeah, man, really justkind of being cognizant of of
what's going on, man, those arewhat I would consider red flags.
I said all that to say just aperson being aware of what's
going on in that present time.
(26:30):
What's going on in that presenttime, it's so important that I
think people pay attention and,enjoying the moment, you can
really appreciate each other.
If you just sit there andyou're like you know what this
is really good energy.
And I think that's howsometimes you find yourself with
(26:52):
someone sharing some space forhours and you don't even know
that it's been hours, right,because there's times where it's
silent but not awkward, andsometimes you're sharing,
sometimes she's sharing, andjust that organic transition and
that authentic process isbeautiful.
And so, you know, my main redflag, like, like I said, is just
(27:14):
somebody rushing, rushing theentire process of getting to
know each other.
You know you're askingquestions that you don't even
really um have.
You know you're not entitled toanything, right?
So you can't be privy justbecause it's a question that you
ask and um, you know, you knownow, you know how I feel about
(27:35):
the whole open book scam.
You know somebody claiming thatthey're open book.
Um, they say they're open bookbecause you have to guess the
right questions to ask them.
So they can always say well, Isaid I was open book, you never
asked oh wow, I didn't knowthat's a cop-out, it's a cop-out
, jay, a cop-out.
it's a cop-out like hey man,when's the last time you saw
(27:57):
your last guy?
Oh, um, well now we just sohappen to be in the same.
Okay, I got it.
Okay, that's okay, you got toask the right questions.
But again, they also know thetype of demeanor of a person
(28:18):
Like you.
Jack, you're not going to bevery intrusive, you want
everything organic, exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
So I don't care about your business like that.
No, I'm not going to pry likethat.
But you know, even see, with meI'm like you, like you said,
like there's so much unwrittenbeauty in just being able to
appreciate the silence you knowin the room with somebody like
(28:50):
to me, a lot of times that couldspeak more volumes than you
know carrying a conversation, orlack thereof, because, like you
said, some women can just havea whole conversation with itself
while you, sitting up, youcould be nodding off, you could
be daydreaming, you could bedoing anything, but they talking
and listen.
No participation.
(29:10):
Attention is divided.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Like, so it don't even matter.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
But just think about being able to be comfortable,
like you said, because, yeah,silence can be awkward sometimes
.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
But there's, you can find a person to, where the
silence is never awkward.
You know the silence is never.
You never feel like you'reitching or having or required to
have something to say justbecause nobody's saying anything
.
You know, that's somethingthat's so beautiful.
So for me, that's a green flag.
I know we're talking about redflags yeah, flags, yeah, but
(29:55):
being able to just sit insilence and be cool and not feel
weird or awkward or feel likeit's some type of tension or
anything going on, that is, yeah, a green flag.
I like that and yeah, we, yeah,yeah.
So that's green.
Listen, I didn't, I didn'tbrought us the green.
Should we do another episode ongreen flags?
I don don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
We may need to do green flags.
I like that Green.
I like that a lot.
I like that a lot, man.
Matter of fact, let's, let's dothat really soon.
Uh yeah, man, that's dope.
So, look, um, we we dealt witha lot of different um, interent
(30:32):
and independent relationshipswhen it comes to the kids, when
it comes to co-parenting and, atthe end of the day, man, you
really want to make sure thatyou have your priorities in
order, right, because you knowthe children didn't ask to be
here, jay.
So, whatever you have going onon a personal level, you're
(30:53):
going to have to keep that incheck because, again, you know,
these are your children, theseare your responsibilities, and
you can't let any outsideinfluence, kind of, you know,
put you in a position wherethey're no longer priority.
Yes, and that's always going tobe the key, that's, you know,
as father to father, father tomothers, whatever this situation
(31:15):
is, you know we have to keepthe kids, um well-being, uh, as
priority.
So, um, that being said, man,that was good, jay, I, I like
that, I like, I like how we, we,uh, we dealt with the red flag,
so I want to move on from that,because people talk about red
flags all the time.
(31:36):
Yeah that's right.
So so I do like the green flagtopic.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
man, let's bring some , some, some light and
positivity on it.
Man, what's what's the greenflag that you see when you date
in that make you say, oh yeah,it might be the one.
This is a keeper right here.
That's good man that you seewhen you date and that make you
say, oh yeah, it might be theone.
It's a keeper right here.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
That's good man.
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Okay, welcome to another episode of Pops and Son
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Of course it is your favoriteSilver Fox, rob Malloy.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And it is Son here Javen.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
All right, man, here we are.
How you feeling, jay?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I feel good, pop, I feel good.
It's a good day.
You know, life is good.
I got no complaints.
Yeah, hey, congratulations onthe event where you're doing
(00:41):
your poetry man, you was killingthe crowd.
Poetry has always beensomething so near and dear to me
for so long.
It really feels good to sharethat energy with other people
and get the appreciation.
A lot of folks came up to meand was like you did your thing.
I really appreciated that andI'm ready to get back at it too.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Okay, sooner than later, man, we'll, we'll make
sure that everybody knows what'sgoing on locally, as we have
the events and stuff like that.
So, yeah, man, so let's, let'sjump into this, because I feel
like we have a lot of unfinishedbusiness in this episode yeah,
(01:30):
that's true, we, we got um.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So last episode we talked about dating as a single
father and all that that entails.
Right, we, we had a good timetalking about that.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
It was a lot on the plate and it always will be man
anytime you start talking aboutthe navigation of dating, just
period.
You know single father, singlemother.
You know single individual withwithout children, you know.
You know because people are indifferent stages in their life,
(01:57):
you know, and so when you catchthem, depending on if they can
be truthful, transparent andhonest about their situation,
you know you can find yourselfin an adventure.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, Very true indeed, so there was one thing
that we got to get to from thelast episode, though.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
You know, we did have a viewer email in with a
question, right?
So I'm going to go ahead andI'm going to read it once again,
just for the sake of thisepisode, so we know what's going
on.
So listener emailed us and saidwhy does the new woman in us?
(02:47):
And said why does the new womanin?
Okay, so just to give a littlepreference.
This is pertaining to singlefather dating and basically
introduce or having to blend thefamilies or introduce, you know
, your new person to the fatherof your kid or the mother of
your kid.
So she says why does the newwoman in his life have to have a
(03:10):
say in how my baby daddyinteracts with his child?
So basically, she says her sonwas shot recently and the son's
father wants his new girlfriendto be added to the visitors list
at the hospital, to be able tothe visitors list at the
hospital, to be able to come inwhenever she wants, and
basically they don't get along.
(03:30):
So she wants to know, basically, why did the dad do this?
Like, why, what?
What was the motive behind thedad, you know, feeling the need
to add, add her to the list toadd her to the list.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Okay, that's interesting.
So let's back up a little bitso that we can just kind of give
some context of the differentchallenges you know, and
realistic expectations.
So before we address that, Ithink it's important that we
really understand what happenssometimes and what I'm referring
(04:06):
to.
Also, we reference, if you guyswant to check out the episode
prior to this as well.
We talk about, you know, theobstacles of dating after you've
been with someone.
You guys had a child, sosometimes you know it can happen
after a few years.
(04:26):
Sometimes it happens when thechildren are a little bit older.
You know, sometimes it happenswhen the kids are infants.
Man, when the kids are small andfrom what I've noticed, you
know there's not a lot of ladieswill actually entertain, when
it comes to relationship wise, aman that has a small child, or
(04:49):
or especially an infant child,because you know a.
You guys still may be trying tofigure things out, you may be
going through an up and downroller coaster coaster, but what
I think, though, jay, whathappens is ladies realize that
(05:10):
you still have that bond withyour child's father, and so if a
woman is a little hesitant ingetting involved with a guy is
because she knows how she waswhen it was time to you know,
figure out.
Are we going to be a family ornot?
Are we going to do what ittakes?
Are we going to get through theobstacles?
I think that's the first thingthat comes to mind is like okay,
(05:32):
I know when my child was likesix months old or one years old.
Those are some milestones thatyou guys typically share
together.
Is that fair to say?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, I think that's fair to say and I think it also
might.
It might just be a little bitbiological too, right?
I mean, it's just the nature ofthings.
You're gonna have a certainamount of, uh, reverence and
regard for the, you know, theparent, the other parents, so
it's just, I think it's a bitnatural and that's not something
(06:06):
like.
I think it would be morealarming if you know they had no
type of of feeling afterwards,after the kid is born, he's just
like no, I'm good, like I'm,I'm great, it's, I don't, I
don't need you, I don't care foryou.
So, yeah, so, so you know,either mom or dad still
(06:27):
harboring some type of feeling.
I think it's completely natural.
But, to your point, that doeslay credence to why there's some
hesitation around.
You know, wanting to talk tosomebody that has a kid, that's,
you know, in that stage infantstage, toddler stage, whatever
(06:48):
it is because you know, you know, just through experience, you
may be like, oh man, yeah, Iremember I was feeling about,
about old girl or old boy.
So yeah, it checks out for sure.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, yeah, it really does.
And each dynamic is going to beunique.
And you know, sometimes youfigure out that you guys aren't
a good fit and that'sunfortunate because now you have
a child involved, you won't beco-parenting in the same
household, and then all thechallenges that come with that.
(07:22):
You know you're introducing thechild to different
relationships, and it doesn'tnecessarily mean romantic
relationships, it's just that.
You know now mommy and daddyhave, you know, different
friends that don't all come tothe house, that used to come to
the house.
It's just so many differentthings, man, and it really
(07:43):
shares and sheds light to someof the relationship struggles as
you get a little bit older,because now you also got to keep
in mind you don't want that kidto have really access to you,
figuring things out withsomebody else, right, and what
(08:08):
comes with those challenges.
So now, that being said, let'skind of dig back into to that
you know scenario that we talkedabout before, because now we're
talking about uh relationshipor dating life.
After uh, you guys are nolonger together.
So you have that co-parentinguh experience and and even with
that man that you know I talkedabout before you know the gas
(08:30):
station pickups and drop offs.
You know a lot of that happensonce somebody is now in a new
relationship.
So you know, now the baby moms,you know she can't come by the
house no more.
Now the daddy.
He can't swing through no more.
Now there's more boundaries.
(08:51):
Exactly, you need to bringlittle Tommy home at 6 pm, not
11 pm.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
So you have to keep those in mind.
And a lot of times also, again,there's some influence on the
new partner.
Let's just keep it 100.
There's a lot of for some.
You know, you've proven, you'veproven that.
Okay, you know what?
We are not romanticallyinvolved, we are just
co-parenting.
Now you have to reiterate thatyou're only co-parenting, like
(09:25):
you have to reiterate thatyou're only co-parenting.
Right, you have to go throughthat period of time with your
new partner that you guys youknow, aren't intimate anymore
and man, it's just further.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
you know, now, not only do you, of course, yeah,
you have to explain, but now youkind of have to deal with these
new, these new boundaries.
Right, you got to figure outhow to navigate, how your
partner feels about them, youknow, and it could put pressure
on.
I mean, I think it putpressures on all sides because
(10:11):
All parties involved, yeah, allparties involved, exactly.
So you know you may feelpressure because you know the
new girl that you're talking to,the new woman that you're in a
relationship, feels a certaintype of way about whatever you
got going on.
Yeah, and we kind of talkedabout this last episode too, but
just given the scenario, Idon't, I'm just so.
(10:34):
I feel like you know that likethat is just in, really, between
a rock and a hard place, right.
Right, he's trying to keep thepeace and keep everybody happy,
yeah, but I'm not necessarilysure that the new woman needs to
(10:57):
be there, I don't.
Yeah, I think he could.
The way I feel about it, Ithink he probably could have.
He could have took the way Ifeel about it, I think he
probably could have.
He could have, um, he couldhave took the bullet on that.
But, like I said, that's that'sthe pressure, right, because, if
, because, if he says, nah, youcan't be on the list, I don't
think that is a good idea thenhe's got, you know, maybe a
(11:20):
storm that he has to come backto at home, or maybe now he got
to deal with a, a cold shoulderor something like that, and
that's his relationship.
He doesn't have a relationshipwith the mother, so he's not,
you know, there's no, no cold.
He don't care about no coldshoulder or nothing like that.
You know what I'm saying.
But also, this scenario wasjust so, so much more serious,
(11:43):
being that, you know, with theson being in the hospital and
the condition he's in, I justwould think, like you said
before, the child is really themost important.
So what's really going to bethe most optimal scenario for
the kid to be in good graces,not having to stress or worry
(12:06):
about anything or just any likeI think probably just mom and
dad need to be there To me.
That's my thoughts on it.
I can see that.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I could see that.
I also think that, moreimportantly, there has to be
already some type of of rapportwith the mom and with the new
partner, because, in allactuality, if we talk about from
a legal standpoint, she hasabsolutely zero about.
(12:45):
From a legal standpoint she hasabsolutely zero, uh, you know
there's, there's zero reasonunless she is the wife, yeah,
but but even with that, she'sstill not the biological mother,
she's probably not anywhere onthe paperwork.
So, um, that's the father andthe mother's child and that's
just something that you know hasto be respected.
(13:05):
Yeah.
Anything outside of that, ofcourse, you know, you can always
have conversation, but I thinkthat is non-negotiable when we
talk about the best interest ofthe child, because, again, there
has to be some type of familyplan.
You know you, because you stillhave mothers and fathers and
aunties and grandmas.
So how is she out ranking them?
(13:28):
You know what I mean exactlyfrom a legal, from a legal
standpoint, from, uh, uh, just acomfortability standpoint.
So I think it's one of thosescenarios where the father of
the child and his new partnerprobably have an independent
(13:49):
struggle of access to the child,of you know role or position
you know towards the new partnerand the child, and that's
really hard to navigate,especially if you're dating.
Even if you're living in, evenif you're living together,
you're still not husband andwife.
(14:09):
Even if you're engaged this ismy personal opinion Even if
you're engaged, you're still nothusband and wife.
So there's really no, there'sno legal standpoint where people
need to be positionedprematurely, if you will,
because you know the, the mother, definitely you know that that
(14:32):
whole story and scenario.
Obviously there's some thingsthat should have taken place
prior to being in that type ofsituation, because now you know
that's tough, the child is, isin the hospital.
(14:53):
Of course you want all hands ondeck who can help and assist,
but at the same time you don'twant additional internal issues,
man, because that's not goingto help, it's going to cause
more friction and then you knowwho knows what happens.
At that point, man, we're goingto need the new partner and the
(15:16):
baby moms.
You know, meeting in the lobbyyou know what I'm saying Like
like three o'clock high.
Yeah, we don't need nosituations like that, man, where
they squabbling in the no Inthe lobby man, next to the
drinks and snacks, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I would hate to see.
I would hate to see somethinglike that.
I would hate to see somethinglike that pop.
But you know, whatever witheverything you said it, it
really kind of brings me to agreat segue, right, uh, which is
actually the topic for thisepisode.
We answered the question, butthe topic for this episode,
right?
(16:00):
So I'm going to just flat outsay it Okay, I feel like that
there's a hint of jealousy andsome control issues going on
right there.
I'm going to just be honestLike for you to feel like you
need to be there or you puttingpressure on him to have you
(16:22):
there, you might think thatsomething's going on.
It's not going on.
That's jealousy, that's control.
What do we call that?
It's a red flag, it is.
That's a red flag.
I think that's a red flag.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I'm a rock with you on this, I do.
I think that that's a red flag.
I'm a rock with you on this, Ido.
I think that that's a red flagas well.
And then you got to keep inmind, you know, you don't know
what that household or thatdynamic looks like.
Do they have any childrentogether?
Does she have any kids?
Because now you start lookingat, you know, the control factor
Like hey, you got your own kids, I don't have anything to do
(16:59):
with them.
I'm factor like hey, you gotyour own kids, I don't have
anything to do with them, I'mnot involved with them.
And and then, of course, again,the father.
The dad, he's in the middle ofall this and so now he has to,
he has to decide, you know, uh,which direction to go.
Uh, because peace is definitelynot in his future, because he's
(17:20):
going to be in the middle man,he's going to be in a tug of war
for a good minute.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
What With the weight of the world on his shoulders.
I'm telling you Drowning.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
The weight of the world, man, that's true man.
So let's talk about that.
Let's talk about some red flagsas a single dad, to kind of
watch for in a potential partner.
So we'll kind of reverseengineer this episode, uh, and
as far as the topic wise, so, uh, I'll ask you.
So when, when you're dating,when you're meeting someone,
(17:53):
when you're getting to know them, you know, obviously there's
some stuff that you have toshare up front.
I would say children, uh, ifyou're involved in their life,
especially meaning if you haveto share up front, I would say
children, if you're involved intheir life, especially meaning
if you have to tell them hey,you know what, this Saturday is
not good.
You know, we're going to thefair.
This is something that we dowith this weekend.
We're going on a cruise.
It's something that we hadalready planned, whatever the
(18:13):
case is.
So there's certain things thatI think that you should be
forthcoming when it comes to asa single dad, right, but when it
comes to red flags with someonethat you're getting to know, I
mean, what are the things thatstand out with you, jay?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
So, yeah, I know this all too well because I'm good
at identifying my red flags.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
OK, that's good, yeah , I want to straight up my red
flags, okay.
Okay, that's good, I want totake it straight up.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
So one I already mentioned the jealousy and the
control.
That's a major red flag.
Okay, we old enough to thepoint that we understand people
are busy, we understand thatpeople aren't always available
and we understand that peoplehave their own personal lives,
right Outside of dating, outsideof well, mainly dating.
Right, if it's crazy, right, ifwe dating and you getting
(19:10):
jealous or you trying to controlaspects of my life, or yeah,
nah, you getting cut off.
Red flag, I don't need you toyou not making it past red flag,
I don't need you.
You're not making it past thefirst gate, okay.
So that's definitely number one.
Um, I would say number two forme.
This is another one.
It's called love bombing.
(19:33):
So what love bombing is isbasically when somebody is like
overly maybe, like showing you,like too much attention,
infatuation, almost to the pointthat it's like chill a little
bit, okay, like maybe just beinga little bit too into me.
To me that's a red flag becauseyou know from my experience it
(19:57):
can wear off.
And then it's like all right,so you was feeling me super hard
in the beginning.
So what was that?
Was that real, was that fake?
I was like what's going on?
So I don't like the lovebombing.
I don't like for women to comein and just shower me with
compliments or try to say allthis and it's like I love it,
(20:17):
but let's just keep it on asubtle, you know what I'm saying
.
A subtle, it's cool.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Organic authentic.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Exactly Authentic is the word Like, because that
doesn't feel.
It just doesn't feel authenticto me.
You know, when you saying thatit's like hey, like chill, I
know I look good, it's cool.
You don't have to keep tellingme that I love good, it's cool.
You don't have to keep tellingme that I love it.
But like just chill.
So yeah, that's probably my topthree.
(20:46):
The jealousy control and thenthe love bond would be my top
three.
Okay, what about you Pop?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, you know, I have this theory and everybody,
you guys will hear this fromtime to time as, as you continue
to listen to the podcast, youknow, um, a higher slow and a
fire fast.
And so, um, what that means isa higher slow, meaning we're
(21:15):
going to go through an entireprocess of the getting to know
stage.
Know, I think it's really weird.
I mean and again, this is 2025.
You guys are listening to thisin 2025, uh, which I will be 50
in october, and you know, atthis age, I, I don't like to be
(21:36):
rushed to do anything.
You know, I don't, uh, even ifwe're having conversation, I
don't want a woman to say, well,when you gonna take me out,
what, what are you talking to?
Like?
And so it, it gives me pausebecause it's like it makes me
(21:58):
think that you are still stuckin the last relationship or the
last encounter or situationshipyou was in.
And those are some of thethings that are still stuck in
your head, like, why did it takeso long for him to give me a
(22:18):
ring or to ask me out, or for usto, you know, go on a trip or
whatever the case is, it's likeit, it kind of carries over.
It's some spillage, right, Ican.
I can tell the spillage becauseit's stuff that you know.
I didn't even really get achance to show you as far as you
know who I am and how I operate.
(22:41):
So when you're asking questions, I might have been good, you
know, I might have been ready toask you that night, right, you
know what I'm saying.
That might have been the nightor that might have been the day
that I was like, hey, you knowwhat.
Your schedule's been crazy, myschedule's been crazy.
I know we've been doing a lot ofgo grab uh, you know some
brunch, or why don't we go grabyou know some coffee and and and
(23:16):
some to eat, or, you know, gosomewhere where it's quiet,
where we can talk and and justkind of feel each other's energy
, because I think energy is soimportant.
You can have a lot of energy onthe phone, right.
You can have a lot of energy onthe phone, right, you can have
a lot of energy and video chatand stuff like that.
(23:39):
But when you're sharing eachother's space you can't fake it.
Then, like you can only pretendfor so long until you're
uncomfortable.
If you're uncomfortable, right.
And so I'm just really big onenergy, and one of the things
about that, or a main thing, isa woman's temperance.
I need to know, like you know,how do you really navigate when
(24:06):
you are uncomfortable, or isthere moments where you think
silence is awkward, or do youfeel like you have to keep
explaining yourself and sharingthings and do you feel like
you're pulling teeth with ourcomments?
That means, you know, thingsshould be a really easy flow
whenever we're together orwhenever we're not sharing the
(24:29):
same space, and those are thethings that I think that we
should pay attention to, becausesome people just like to talk
right, some people like somepeople just like to talk, they
like to hear themselves and theythink, because the other person
is quiet, that they're actuallya soundboard.
But really like me, man, I maybe falling asleep.
I'm going to tell you straightup, man.
(24:52):
I mean I wonder sometimes, dowomen actually know that they've
been talking nonstop for 10, 15minutes without taking a breath
?
I mean, I hope somebody hearsme out, because there is a
brother out here that has beenaccused of either not paying
(25:16):
attention or being insensitiveor, you know, not being
thoughtful, because he couldn'tget through this woman's
dissertation.
He couldn't get through it.
Oh, my goodness.
You know, you usually get aboutan hour.
I got to check with my team youteam usually about an hour for
a dissertation, you know, andit's a lot because you know
(25:39):
folks are talking and talkingand you're not even paying
attention on the energy on theother side, right?
Because if so, hey, you knowwhat?
And I love to see this aboutwomen.
Hey, you know what?
I've been talking a lot.
I know I like to talk, you know, is there something that you
want to say?
You know, are you good do?
(26:01):
Am I talking?
Okay, like, obviously, you knowthat's a unicorn situation,
right?
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I'm about to say how about that right?
Speaker 1 (26:08):
yeah, I don't that has before, but maybe once a
decade.
But, yeah, man, really justkind of being cognizant of of
what's going on, man, those arewhat I would consider red flags.
I said all that to say just aperson being aware of what's
going on in that present time.
(26:30):
What's going on in that presenttime, it's so important that I
think people pay attention and,enjoying the moment, you can
really appreciate each other.
If you just sit there andyou're like you know what this
is really good energy.
And I think that's howsometimes you find yourself with
(26:52):
someone sharing some space forhours and you don't even know
that it's been hours, right,because there's times where it's
silent but not awkward, andsometimes you're sharing,
sometimes she's sharing, andjust that organic transition and
that authentic process isbeautiful.
And so, you know, my main redflag, like, like I said, is just
(27:14):
somebody rushing, rushing theentire process of getting to
know each other.
You know you're askingquestions that you don't even
really um have.
You know you're not entitled toanything, right?
So you can't be privy justbecause it's a question that you
ask and um, you know, you knownow, you know how I feel about
(27:35):
the whole open book scam.
You know somebody claiming thatthey're open book.
Um, they say they're open bookbecause you have to guess the
right questions to ask them.
So they can always say well, Isaid I was open book, you never
asked oh wow, I didn't knowthat's a cop-out, it's a cop-out
, jay, a cop-out.
it's a cop-out like hey man,when's the last time you saw
(27:57):
your last guy?
Oh, um, well now we just sohappen to be in the same.
Okay, I got it.
Okay, that's okay, you got toask the right questions.
But again, they also know thetype of demeanor of a person
(28:18):
Like you.
Jack, you're not going to bevery intrusive, you want
everything organic, exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
So I don't care about your business like that.
No, I'm not going to pry likethat.
But you know, even see, with meI'm like you, like you said,
like there's so much unwrittenbeauty in just being able to
appreciate the silence you knowin the room with somebody like
(28:50):
to me, a lot of times that couldspeak more volumes than you
know carrying a conversation, orlack thereof, because, like you
said, some women can just havea whole conversation with itself
while you, sitting up, youcould be nodding off, you could
be daydreaming, you could bedoing anything, but they talking
and listen.
No participation.
(29:10):
Attention is divided.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Like, so it don't even matter.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
But just think about being able to be comfortable,
like you said, because, yeah,silence can be awkward sometimes
.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
But there's, you can find a person to, where the
silence is never awkward.
You know the silence is never.
You never feel like you'reitching or having or required to
have something to say justbecause nobody's saying anything
.
You know, that's somethingthat's so beautiful.
So for me, that's a green flag.
I know we're talking about redflags yeah, flags, yeah, but
(29:55):
being able to just sit insilence and be cool and not feel
weird or awkward or feel likeit's some type of tension or
anything going on, that is, yeah, a green flag.
I like that and yeah, we, yeah,yeah.
So that's green.
Listen, I didn't, I didn'tbrought us the green.
Should we do another episode ongreen flags?
I don don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
We may need to do green flags.
I like that Green.
I like that a lot.
I like that a lot, man.
Matter of fact, let's, let's dothat really soon.
Uh yeah, man, that's dope.
So, look, um, we we dealt witha lot of different um, interent
(30:32):
and independent relationshipswhen it comes to the kids, when
it comes to co-parenting and, atthe end of the day, man, you
really want to make sure thatyou have your priorities in
order, right, because you knowthe children didn't ask to be
here, jay.
So, whatever you have going onon a personal level, you're
(30:53):
going to have to keep that incheck because, again, you know,
these are your children, theseare your responsibilities, and
you can't let any outsideinfluence, kind of, you know,
put you in a position wherethey're no longer priority.
Yes, and that's always going tobe the key, that's, you know,
as father to father, father tomothers, whatever this situation
(31:15):
is, you know we have to keepthe kids, um well-being, uh, as
priority.
So, um, that being said, man,that was good, jay, I, I like
that, I like, I like how we, we,uh, we dealt with the red flag,
so I want to move on from that,because people talk about red
flags all the time.
(31:36):
Yeah that's right.
So so I do like the green flagtopic.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
man, let's bring some , some, some light and
positivity on it.
Man, what's what's the greenflag that you see when you date
in that make you say, oh yeah,it might be the one.
This is a keeper right here.
That's good man that you seewhen you date and that make you
say, oh yeah, it might be theone.
It's a keeper right here.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
That's good man.
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