June 12, 2025 • 41 mins
What happens when you put health on the backburner? As Rob "Silver Fox" Malloy eloquently puts it: "If you don't make time for your body, your body will make time." This powerful statement anchors our Men's Health Awareness Month conversation, where we dive into the critical yet often overlooked aspects of male wellness.
Remember when you could eat a whole pizza, wake up the next morning, and still have abs? Those days fade as we get "more seasoned," requiring us to adapt our health approaches. Beyond the physical changes, we explore how mental health awareness has finally started gaining traction among men, particularly after the pandemic normalized concepts like therapy and mental health days. The science is clear: carrying stress, grief, and trauma manifests in physical symptoms, relationship struggles, and diminished quality of life.
We tackle the distorted representation of manhood in today's social media landscape, where comparison to others' highlight reels creates unrealistic expectations. Rather than chasing external validation, we advocate focusing on purpose and personal development. As Jay wisely notes: "You're not doing it for the approval of strangers on the internet." This means understanding your worth beyond material possessions or relationship status.
The conversation takes a powerful turn when discussing mentorship versus role models. While role models can be admired from afar, mentors actively guide, hold accountable, and prepare young men for the challenges ahead. These relationships foster the discipline and consistency needed for lifelong health habits—something increasingly rare yet desperately needed in our communities.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
welcome back to another episode of pops and son
conversations.
It is your favorite silver fox,rob malloy and it's your
favorite poet.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
You might not even have known it.
Check three times, mr check IMr Check.
I got to remind him, you know.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Hey, Mr Check Trey.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hey, check Trey, I like that.
That's dope right, yeah Allright.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Look y'all, you know it's your favorite pops and son
combo.
Look, it's Men's Health Month.
Men's Health Awareness, men'sEverything men, I don't know Got
to enjoy that.
Men's health awareness, men'severything men.
Gotta enjoy that, gotta enjoythat.
So, look, we've been able tokind of tackle on some things we
(00:54):
thought was really reallyimportant.
First episode that youhopefully have already listened
to you know we talked aboutbrotherhood, and so I think that
you know we talked aboutbrotherhood and so I think that
we covered a lot.
You have to check out theepisode and really catch on some
gems we dropped.
But, jay, let's get intosomething equally significant,
(01:17):
yet highly, extremely highlyimportant when it comes to men's
month, which, of course, ismen's health.
Oh yeah.
So yeah, let's dig in.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, you know, uh, men's health super, super
important.
Um, you know, you know,especially black men.
You know we'll check out.
We'll check our phone more thanwe check our bodies.
You know we got that stigmathat, oh, we don't go to the
doctor and all this type ofstuff.
But that's why we need this,you know, this time to bring the
(01:57):
awareness.
You know, always, always, behealth conscious.
You know, get your physicals.
You know, just get yourcheckups, get your checkups
before you check out.
Yeah, you know, that's, that's,that's the theme for the month
man.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Get your checkups before you check, man, that's
tough, but that's real.
Now I will have to say, assomebody that does see the
doctor, you know, three times,three, four times a month, maybe
even a little bit more.
You know, as I get older Irealize the importance of just
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making sure that you know yourmental health is intact.
Your diet, the exercise, youknow.
One thing about it for me, jay,is I realize that now that I'm
getting more seasoned, that I doneed some help, man, I need
some assistance.
My diet needs to be better.
You know that's when you startgetting into supplements,
(02:58):
because your body digestivesystem is different and you
can't eat everything that you'reused to and it has no effect or
the same effect.
You know you got to get backinto making sure that you get on
a good routine and kind of makethe adjustments.
I think where, where men us menthat are more seasoned start
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slipping, is we thinking thatwe're going to keep this body,
this athletic body, forever.
And we look down, man, we startseeing a little pudge and it's
like, oh hey, man, you know,back in the day, man, we could
eat a whole pizza and, yeah,we'd have a little pudge.
But you wake up in the morning,man, you got the abs back.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Right.
Welcome back abs.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
You got the welcome back abs.
Oh man, you got the abs backRight.
Welcome back abs.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
You got the welcome back abs oh man, it's different.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
So you got to make the adjustments.
And not that getting seasonedis a bad thing, because at the
same time you got experience,you got wisdom, you're more
resourceful.
So that's the beautiful thingabout being more seasoned, you
know, in this lifetime as a manNow I'm going to go ahead and
(04:13):
say this because I know that wehave a lot of women listeners on
here.
Hey, ladies, just listen.
This is my personal opinion asmen, seasoned, our value
actually goes up.
Oh, okay.
Hey, look, contrary to a lot offolks' belief, men's value goes
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up because you have to thinkabout it Just from a maturity
level, an experience andlearning experience level,
making better decisions,becoming more resourceful.
You know actually going throughsome things and taking those
experiences, man, and creatingopportunities.
(04:57):
You know that's what we'redoing.
And, look, you know we startfinding our swag and feng shui
as we come along and you knowyou start dressing different,
right, you start dressing moremature and you understand that
you wear certain things fordifferent occasions.
(05:18):
And you know you don't go intolounges with a baseball cap on,
so your date don't tell you totake your cap off man oh man,
things like that, right.
Grown man getting talked to likea little kid.
Take your dilly-dally off,right.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Suit and tie-ish.
Man Suit and tie-ish.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
All of that.
So that's the beauty of it.
But you know again, when westart talking about health, um,
you know there's certain thingsthat needs to happen as you get
older to to gauge.
You know what's going on withyou physically like, for
instance, you know you need toget your prostate checked.
Okay, you start 40 and up.
Jay, you're gonna have to dothat, man, when you get a little
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bit older hey, man, I got alittle ways to go, man right you
know.
but at the same time, you knowone thing that is uh, ageless is
, uh, making sure that you getyour cardiac you know your
cardiovascular system checkedout to make sure you know you're
checking your heart.
You know a lot of those thingshappen through, like EKGs, and
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just making sure that you knowthat our heart is beating like
it's supposed to, becausethere's a lot of silent things,
issues, you know, that happenthat people don't even realize.
So we're talking about, likehigh blood pressure, you know
diabetes, stress and all thatstuff that.
(06:51):
And you, you know you thinkingthat you just got a headache
because you worked out Right, oryou've been studying, you know,
to get a certificate orsomething like that.
And you know, next thing, youknow you're diagnosed with
something that you know requiresyou to make some adjustments in
life.
And you know, next thing, youknow you're diagnosed with
something that you know requiresyou to make some adjustments in
life.
So you know those are some ofthe things that you cannot take
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lightly.
So, speaking of how do you feelabout having a mental health
check-in, because that's onlybeen going on the whole mental
health and therapy and thingslike that, jay, that hasn't been
going on the whole mentalhealth and therapy and things
like that.
Jay, that hasn't been going ona whole lot and I'm gonna be
honest with you, I feel like itreally wasn't even respected
(07:33):
until after the pandemic yeah,oh, yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
That's actually a good point.
After the pandemic, I rememberit was a surge in interest in
mental health.
You know it kind of became abuzzword and everybody started
talking about you know that'swhen you first heard oh, I need
a mental health day.
Yeah, right, right, right, itwas required, take a mental
(07:57):
health day.
For a while I was like man,where was that?
But you know, mental health isjust that.
You know it's health too, soyou can't leave it out.
Mental health check-ins arejust as important as the
physical ones.
Facts, um, you know we carry somuch pressure, grief, anger,
(08:18):
whatever, you know, trauma, allthese things that get bottled up
, and then you just going on onabout your day, stress, you know
, and you think you having theseheadaches and all this stuff.
But it's really a mental thingthat's going on, because it
spills out into yourrelationships.
(08:41):
You know it spills out intowork.
Maybe you're not able to sleep,right, your spirit is off.
So, yeah, your mental health,take time to.
You know.
I say you know meditation.
It can kind of be a funny wordfor some people, but to me it's
just peace.
You know, that's what it reallymeans to me.
(09:02):
So, whatever it is that youfind peaceful, whether that is
going out in nature or, you know, just sitting down watching,
watching your favorite movie orsomething like that, or reading
a book.
You know something that'speaceful, stressless.
Get away, get out from what youthink is causing you stress.
(09:24):
Get away, get out from what youthink is is causing you stress.
Um, you know you can't grindyour way out of it, so like
trying to work harder, or youknow, just burying your face and
work, or the hustle or whateverthe case is.
Um, you know that's that's notreally gonna be it.
So therapy and and just findyour peace.
That's that's how I feel aboutyou.
(09:44):
Know your mental health.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, because if you don't make time for your body,
your body will make time.
Yeah, yeah, your body will maketime.
Look, I ain't doing nothingelse.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
And you can't figure out why it's like oh man, I
don't feel like doing nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Nothing.
So that's so key man.
You made some good points aboutpreventative care versus just
kind of waiting to where you'reexhausted and you can't do
anything.
So it is best to plan, you know, plan days of relaxation, plan
days of reward.
I think the ladies kind of havethat down pat.
(10:26):
I don't see too many self-lovevideos for the brothers man.
Maybe we have to pioneer thatman.
Yeah, you know getting somemassages and you know pedicures.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
What's the male version of the spy day man?
We got to come up with that wegot to do it.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Hey, we're going to have to solicit some spas that
want to go ahead and sponsorthat situation.
We might have to partner upwith some spas and do that.
Man, I think that that would bereally cool.
I know that there's some mancaves out here in the Atlanta
area, so we got to reach out.
Gabe's out here in the Atlantaarea, so we got to reach out.
You guys.
Actually you got to reach outto us Because we got to put you
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on the map if you're not alreadyon there.
So you know, I think that youknow, preventative care is so
key, especially from a mentalstate.
Man, you have to plan thosedays and we all get caught up in
overworking, right, we all getcaught up.
Hey, you know, sometimes weattach certain goals to a dollar
, so we got to make that.
You know, reach that goal andsometimes, when you're out there
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in the field, man, you just,you know, you just on this, this
natural high of accomplishingcertain tasks and things like
that.
But again, at the end of theday, man, we have to have the
best that we can do when westart talking about self-care
and finding some type of balance, because our body and minds and
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spirits need it, gotta have itman, gotta have it, man.
You know what, jay?
We even have to start teachingthe youth the importance of
health.
Health is wealth.
Literally, health is wealth, Iknow, coming up through for me,
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coming up through thegenerations, granddad,
great-granddad, them's myhard-working brothers.
They was at the railroads, theywas at the factories.
I'm pretty sure you could traceback that it was pig and cotton
, right?
That's, that's a.
That's some hard work, right?
And so historically, especiallyuh, men, males of color, we
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we've uh been accustomed to hardlabor, hard labor.
So I'm so glad that we haveevolved and we understand the
importance of working smarterand not harder, you know, using
more sensories of the brain toto be creative, create different
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resources, be a resource, usecollaboration to our advantage.
So these are things that youknow we have to teach our sons
and continue to educateourselves the importance of of
health being wealth.
And again that that camaraderieand collaboration, man, we got
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it, we got to do better?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
yeah, for sure, for sure.
You know there's.
You mentioned, um, you know howhard working um, you know the
generations before us were, uhwere, involved with man.
There's studies done that thatshow like that's those type of
um things get passed down, youknow, through genetics.
You know, even if you know weare working, um, you know, even
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if you know we are workingsmarter and not harder today
there's still in our DNA, likewe still remember, that you know
from when we were working.
So I think that's why a lot ofus have that mindset you know of
, you know, get it done, justget it done, work, work, work.
But at the same time, awareness, man Awareness is going to
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teach us that there's differentways to do it.
There's different ways to carefor ourselves and, you know, to
kind of redefine our worth andnot have it attached to, you
know, just working and money andstatus and just different
things like that.
I think it's super importantand I think we are getting there
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slowly but surely, especiallywith conversations like this,
just continuing to push andbreak the mold and just kind of
show the youth that hey, there'sa new image of self, there's a
new way to navigate your manhood, your mental health and your
physical health.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, man, that's powerful and you know we have.
We would be remiss if we didn'ttalk about just the definition
of of worth.
You know how we look going toschool versus having a job,
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having a career.
You know even the moral compassof.
You know being a player versusbeing a one woman man, what that
looks like, and and theaesthetics man.
So we're in a very interestingtime because you know, back in
my day, jay, you know I'm a 70sbaby, right?
(15:31):
So back in my day we led withwhat we had.
I'm just be honest with you.
You know a lot of ladies like,well, what kind of car you drive
, you know like that could getyou somewhere just by you know
the car that you're driving.
Or you know if you got moneythat you know that can bypass
(15:52):
your aesthetic sometimes, if youhear what I'm saying, right, so
you would see the guys justlike, okay, you know he's not an
athlete and you know he's notsuper smart because you know how
some ladies gravitate to thenerds, right.
So we have all of that.
So what else he got going onand it will be money and I'm
(16:13):
talking about back in my day.
So you know the brother has somecash and and he can, you know,
buy her.
You know, back then you knowthey didn't have all these
designers and labels, wasn'timportant.
Know back then, you know theydidn't have all these designers
and labels, wasn't important.
But if you could, if you couldtake a young lady out to, uh,
you know, a nice littlerestaurant, um, you can buy her
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like a pair of shoes.
You know again, you know, backin my day and growing up in
jacksonville, you know we didn'thave to worry about these high
ends.
But if you get this sister, youknow three, four pairs of
jellies you know I'm sayingbecause I don't like the sandals
back then, man, you, uh, you inbed when they're like swimwear.
(16:55):
Speaking of swimwear, you couldtake it to the beach, you know,
and just kind of hang out, man,you have to have a whole lot,
but you could have a little bitmore than the next man and that
would kind of get you, uh getyou clearance if you didn't have
the aesthetics you know.
So of course, that's if youknow you wasn't a jock of school
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or and, uh, you know the swag,doubt, that type of thing, man.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
There was creative ways, man, to still be able to
uh get what you want or what youhad yeah, yeah, I don't know if
, if you know how much it haschanged today, pops, I'm not
gonna just be honest with you.
I think that, uh, you rightthough, though, they want the
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designers and the Birkin bagsand all this other stuff.
But, you know, the moneydefinitely talks.
But that's why it's soimportant, as men, for us to
really understand and just kindof stay grounded in in, uh, in
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who we are.
Um, because you know, the womengonna want what they want.
You know what I'm saying, butit's it's up to us to you know,
to to be aware, you know, andkind of be um, just be
understanding and just move,just move smart, man, you know,
just, just just move smart,because they not, you know, yeah
(18:27):
, it's, it's, it's a lot of themthat that are like that, but
there's not all of them.
You know what I'm saying.
So you'll still be able to to,you know, to work your mojo.
If you ain't got the cash likethat, it's, it's other rhythms
and ways.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
It is and I think, being genuine kind of finding
your niche in life, kind offinding your purpose.
You know, a lot of times youknow young men are so engulfed
in trying to get to the money,trying to wear the designers,
trying to get the nice car andstuff like that, that they don't
understand that the power is inthe purpose.
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So when you're actually lookingto elevate yourself, personal
growth and development, thingslike reading, meditating,
putting yourself in the rightenvironments, it's going to
propel you to a certain level,to where you get to bypass a lot
of the rigmarole, right, youget to bypass, you know, trying
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to impress women with elaborateshenanigans.
Let me just say, right, youdon't have to have all this talk
game, because your true missionright now is to be the best
version of yourself.
And most women I would say mostwomen of a certain standard,
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value that more important,because they know that wherever
you're at right now, it's just apart of your journey, so it's
not the end, all be all, it'sjust as you continue to evolve.
And that's what you really wantto start dealing with.
You want to deal with womenthat really understand that it
doesn't stop here.
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That man, he is continuing toelevate and he's putting
themselves in different positionto where he can be a true
leader.
And ultimately, that's whatwomen want.
They want a man who isconfident, they want a man who
is strong and, uh, you know,extremely intentional, but
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ultimately they want a goodleader, you know, because women
need guidance.
I got to throw that in there,y'all.
Look, man, we, we, we.
We was at a party.
One of our business launches,one of our business partners,
and you know, we did our thing.
We talked about, you know,finances and credit and money
(20:56):
and stuff like that, andbusiness credit and all that.
But then afterwards, you know,we kind of veered a little bit
left, I mean, but of course thiswas after business.
So, man, we was just talkingabout, you know, the importance
of women and men bridging thegap and, uh, you know, we got to
the point where we just had tosay it Like look, ladies, I'll
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talk a lot.
Yeah you talk a lot, andsometimes your girlfriends won't
tell you that because she talksa lot too, you know.
But but it's so important tounderstand that if you listen to
comprehend, or you listen tounderstand, you'll realize that
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you can't do a lot of talking.
You can't do both at the sametime, right?
And so you know, a lot of timesyou say something within,
especially guys, because we'relearning how to communicate
better Ladies stop playing withus and we're learning how to
express ourselves.
Whether it's a safe space ornot, we're going to say what we
need to say because we want youto know how we feel.
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We want you to know what ourperspective is.
At the same time, sometimes youhear something that you do not
like or do not want to hear, ormay disagree.
So you can't go past that onemoment.
It doesn't matter what he says.
If he's talking about you knowhow he is.
You know thinking about workingout more.
(22:23):
So you guys aren't going to beable to do your Wednesday night
dates because he needs to add anadditional day to work out.
You thinking OK, well, what'sthat about?
Meanwhile, the man went to thedoctor and the doctor said you
need to up your working out days.
He couldn't even get to thatpoint.
Isn't that crazy?
(22:44):
You think?
Who is it?
You got somebody else.
What you need to start doingnow, like come on man come on,
give me brother a break andlisten.
Hey, man, we need to get someshirts.
Ladies, relax and listen.
I think that would.
We need to get some shirtsLadies, relax and listen.
I think that that would bepowerful.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, I like that one .
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, yeah, most definitely All right.
So, look, before we wrap thingsup, I think that it's important
that we also talk about youknow how social media, you know,
distorts males' issues Like wenot really getting strong
representation, and of course,this is a Pops of Some Podcast,
but we're not shying away fromwhat's going on, like we know
(23:23):
that Shannon Sharp is stillgoing through some things.
Right, yeah, we get that right.
We also get that.
Stephen A Smith and all these.
Hey, look, man, I'm going to behonest with y'all.
Jonathan Majors is still beingside eyed, like, even though it
seemed like it's quiet.
This man, him and Megan, gotmarried.
(23:46):
Right, are they married or arethey engaged?
yeah, they did get married right, so they still giving this man
slack about his choices prior toher.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Come on, so we got to get to the point.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we definitelygot to get to to just
understanding that that type ofrepresentation Listen, man, this
is all noise is exactly what.
Exactly what Pop says socialmedia distortion.
It's like the mirrors.
(24:24):
You go at the fun house whereyou go in, you're looking all
goofy and stretched out andstuff.
That's it, man.
Exaggerations of the truth, ofthe truth.
So, yeah, we just got tomaintain our integrity.
You know you scroll in your feedand you're seeing all this
(24:45):
crazy stuff, or even from thisaspect too, you know we talked
about earlier about the.
You know the self-image andkind of day in and you know what
you need to have to get thegirls and all this type of stuff
.
So you may be scrolling in anddoing some comparisons on on
other folks highlight reel andseeing you know from that, from
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that aspect too.
You know, just um, you gottaknow you you're not always gonna
see folks stressing on the, onthe timeline.
You not going to see themtelling you about how much debt
they are in or telling you abouttheir low credit score.
Everybody got a high creditscore online.
(25:27):
You know what I'm saying.
Right, right, they living agood lifestyle.
So you just got to rememberthat.
But don't compare your life tothat.
You know, and I think that asmen we have to stay the course,
stay focused on the missionright.
Stay focused on a purpose.
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You know that same way that youget everything that you want
and desire as long as youmaintain your purpose and
maintain you know your goals andwhat you focused on.
I mean, you can't go wrong.
You can't go wrong with it.
Whether you feel like you, youknow you don't look the best, or
you ain't got the most money,or you're not the smartest or
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the brightest.
Just keep pouring into yourself.
You know, don't spend any timeor energy thinking about what
the next man is doing, unlessy'all coming together to build
or do some business, and eventhen you don't need to be
worried about what he's doing.
You just need to be worriedabout the business aspect of it.
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But always focus on yourself.
You're not doing it for theapproval of strangers on the
internet.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Man, that's really good that's I just had.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I just had to drop that one off real quick.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
You should have, I don't know you know, no, no,
that was really important.
I'm glad that you said that.
Um, you know, I I think onething that we also have to
mention the importance of amentor.
Oh yeah, um, that's somethingthat I think has been missing in
(27:01):
in our communities.
You know, have having amentorship program, and there's
a difference between a rolemodel and a mentor.
Like, role model is someonethat you may look up to, you may
respect what they do, how theydo it, but it's not the same as
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a mentor, because a role model,you can admire them from afar
but they're not directlyteaching you anything because
they're living their life andyou just appreciate it and you
respect it.
But a mentor is someone whotakes on the responsibility of
having a mentee, someone that isgoing to be very intentional
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when it comes to guidance,someone that is going to hold
the mentee accountable andresponsible, yet put them in a
position to prepare.
And I think that those are somevery, very integral parts of
when it comes toself-development, personal
growth, that we should learn ata young age healthy habits,
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being disciplined, beingconsistent, and this has nothing
to do with relationship with awoman.
This is something that we needto implement as young men as we
develop to become young adultsand, you know, eventually adult
men, and that goes a long way.
I know in my area and I talkedabout another episode that it
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was very diverse, anotherepisode that it was very diverse
but I do wish that there wereprograms out there that would
actually help and benefit youngmen of color.
And here we are in 2025.
And I do feel like thoseresources are scarce and the
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intentionality of ensuring that,you know, um, the availability
of it and the credibility of it.
So we have to, uh, you knowagain, you know, create
different things, do more duediligence, collaborate a lot
more.
So that's why I'm thankful thatwe put together the Pops and
Son Conversations, uh, patreon,and that's just, you know, from
(29:18):
a virtual standpoint.
We have some things in themaking to where you know, we'll
definitely be having somemeetups, we'll be doing some
collaborations with somedifferent groups that are
happening, but I think those arethe things that we have to
really focus on as adult men andyoung men.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Jay adult man and young man, jay, yeah, 100%.
I would even go as far to sayas well that you know platforms
like this, our platform, is agreat hub to get insight, to
learn to, you know, to pick updifferent perspectives or even
(29:54):
discover new conversations thatyou could bring, you know, back
home, back to your friends orback to the squad, or you know,
the homies or whatever that are.
You know also, you know,because we're always intentional
about what we talk about.
You know we don't just get onhere and you know just like wing
(30:15):
it.
Like you know, we try to offersomething that's food for
thought, but also somethingthat's, you know, is practical
and can be applied.
You know what I mean.
So, yeah, this is one of thoseprime resources, primary sources
that you know, that we like tooffer and we're building, like
(30:38):
Pop said.
You know we got a lot morecoming.
So, yeah, that's why I lovegetting on here chopping it up
with you, pop.
Like it feel good, man,especially this month.
You know, like just reachingout.
I already know, you know I gotto send this one to the homies.
I'm like look, y'all, y'all,might, y'all didn't call the
shout out.
(30:58):
You know I didn't talk abouty'all on the episode yeah,
that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Hey, hey, look, they say name names, we name names
come on though yeah, uh, andagain, you know I'm so proud of
you, jay.
Um, not only uh, as a young man,but as a father man and I love
watching you teach PJ you knowhow to be a young man, you know,
(31:24):
even at his age.
You know just being respectful,being very intentional when it
comes to the places that youtake them, the people that you
bring them around, man, thosemake huge differences growing up
, because the kids do rememberwhere they were and how that
(31:46):
place made them feel, whether itwas a good experience or
whether it wasn't so good.
So definitely big up to you,man.
We have to continue to justkind of reclaim our confidence
as men altogether.
It's not being arrogant, it'sbeing confident.
There's enough going on that'sshooting us down and telling us
(32:08):
that we're not meeting thechallenge or kind of meeting our
goals when it comes to beingleaders, when it comes to, you
know, being leaders, when itcomes to being more accomplished
, meaning you know there's a lotto be proud of.
You know we're getting degreesas well.
We're establishing businesses.
You know we're partaking in ina nonprofit, philanthropy type
(32:32):
activities.
We're doing all those things.
It's just that we don't feellike that.
Social media has to have a handin every single thing that we
do.
Some stuff just comes from theheart, so that's what we want to
continue to implement and bevery proud to do.
The last thing I will say beforewe jump out of here is I do
(32:53):
want to talk about you know, Ido want to talk about you know
again, kind of go back to thesocial media thing,
representation.
We're still in a time to where,you know, it's like all of the
cities are St Louis, and what Imean by show me Right, st Louis
(33:18):
is a show me state.
Yeah and uh, you know Missouriis a show me state and so, um,
you know, it's not about youknow what you're driving and and
how many uh materialisticassets that you have.
You know, we, we have to kindof get back to having that solid
foundation of uh of identityfor men and not allowing social
(33:39):
media to take so much claim onwhat makes us a man.
If I hear somebody say a realman, y'all better get that.
Ladies, you telling me you knowwhat a real man is and you're a
woman.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
They love that post man.
They love to say what a realman would.
And you're a woman.
They love that post man.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
They love to say what a real man would and wouldn't
do, jay, I would rather them saya real man to me, yeah, I've
never heard a woman say that.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
You gotta add that caveat.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
You gotta have that man.
You gotta put that on a realman to me Then.
That way folks know not to dealwith you or not Deal with you,
or not deal with you and notdeal with you.
At least you know, uh, you knowhow they feel, but you can't
speak so general um, as if thatis, uh, you know what all ladies
are thinking.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I agree yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yeah, so look, um, we went ahead and blessed you guys
again.
We want to thank you guysalways for chiming in and tuning
in and sharing our platform.
Again, it's Men's Health Month,it's Men's Health Awareness
Month.
It's just all about men.
So one of the things that we'regoing to task you guys to do is
(34:51):
really really go heavy onsharing the platform, sharing
our Patreon.
We have that even within ourPatreon.
You can connect to the podcast,so it's available on the
Patreon the Pops and SonConversations Network.
So you definitely want to jumpin there.
We're going to have somespecial guests this month.
It's early in, we're likemid-month now, so we got some
(35:15):
special things for you guys.
You have to stay locked in, forsure, to truly enjoy our
celebration, our awareness andour contribution to Men's Health
Month via Pops and SonConversations.
So signing out it is yourfavorite Silver Fox, of course.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Hey, Check Trey.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
We out baby.
All right, we'll see you guysnext episode, man peace.
welcome back to another episode of pops and son
conversations.
It is your favorite silver fox,rob malloy and it's your
favorite poet.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
You might not even have known it.
Check three times, mr check IMr Check.
I got to remind him, you know.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Hey, Mr Check Trey.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hey, check Trey, I like that.
That's dope right, yeah Allright.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Look y'all, you know it's your favorite pops and son
combo.
Look, it's Men's Health Month.
Men's Health Awareness, men'sEverything men, I don't know Got
to enjoy that.
Men's health awareness, men'severything men.
Gotta enjoy that, gotta enjoythat.
So, look, we've been able tokind of tackle on some things we
(00:54):
thought was really reallyimportant.
First episode that youhopefully have already listened
to you know we talked aboutbrotherhood, and so I think that
you know we talked aboutbrotherhood and so I think that
we covered a lot.
You have to check out theepisode and really catch on some
gems we dropped.
But, jay, let's get intosomething equally significant,
(01:17):
yet highly, extremely highlyimportant when it comes to men's
month, which, of course, ismen's health.
Oh yeah.
So yeah, let's dig in.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, you know, uh, men's health super, super
important.
Um, you know, you know,especially black men.
You know we'll check out.
We'll check our phone more thanwe check our bodies.
You know we got that stigmathat, oh, we don't go to the
doctor and all this type ofstuff.
But that's why we need this,you know, this time to bring the
(01:57):
awareness.
You know, always, always, behealth conscious.
You know, get your physicals.
You know, just get yourcheckups, get your checkups
before you check out.
Yeah, you know, that's, that's,that's the theme for the month
man.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Get your checkups before you check, man, that's
tough, but that's real.
Now I will have to say, assomebody that does see the
doctor, you know, three times,three, four times a month, maybe
even a little bit more.
You know, as I get older Irealize the importance of just
(02:37):
making sure that you know yourmental health is intact.
Your diet, the exercise, youknow.
One thing about it for me, jay,is I realize that now that I'm
getting more seasoned, that I doneed some help, man, I need
some assistance.
My diet needs to be better.
You know that's when you startgetting into supplements,
(02:58):
because your body digestivesystem is different and you
can't eat everything that you'reused to and it has no effect or
the same effect.
You know you got to get backinto making sure that you get on
a good routine and kind of makethe adjustments.
I think where, where men us menthat are more seasoned start
(03:21):
slipping, is we thinking thatwe're going to keep this body,
this athletic body, forever.
And we look down, man, we startseeing a little pudge and it's
like, oh hey, man, you know,back in the day, man, we could
eat a whole pizza and, yeah,we'd have a little pudge.
But you wake up in the morning,man, you got the abs back.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Right.
Welcome back abs.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
You got the welcome back abs.
Oh man, you got the abs backRight.
Welcome back abs.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
You got the welcome back abs oh man, it's different.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
So you got to make the adjustments.
And not that getting seasonedis a bad thing, because at the
same time you got experience,you got wisdom, you're more
resourceful.
So that's the beautiful thingabout being more seasoned, you
know, in this lifetime as a manNow I'm going to go ahead and
(04:13):
say this because I know that wehave a lot of women listeners on
here.
Hey, ladies, just listen.
This is my personal opinion asmen, seasoned, our value
actually goes up.
Oh, okay.
Hey, look, contrary to a lot offolks' belief, men's value goes
(04:36):
up because you have to thinkabout it Just from a maturity
level, an experience andlearning experience level,
making better decisions,becoming more resourceful.
You know actually going throughsome things and taking those
experiences, man, and creatingopportunities.
(04:57):
You know that's what we'redoing.
And, look, you know we startfinding our swag and feng shui
as we come along and you knowyou start dressing different,
right, you start dressing moremature and you understand that
you wear certain things fordifferent occasions.
(05:18):
And you know you don't go intolounges with a baseball cap on,
so your date don't tell you totake your cap off man oh man,
things like that, right.
Grown man getting talked to likea little kid.
Take your dilly-dally off,right.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Suit and tie-ish.
Man Suit and tie-ish.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
All of that.
So that's the beauty of it.
But you know again, when westart talking about health, um,
you know there's certain thingsthat needs to happen as you get
older to to gauge.
You know what's going on withyou physically like, for
instance, you know you need toget your prostate checked.
Okay, you start 40 and up.
Jay, you're gonna have to dothat, man, when you get a little
(06:06):
bit older hey, man, I got alittle ways to go, man right you
know.
but at the same time, you knowone thing that is uh, ageless is
, uh, making sure that you getyour cardiac you know your
cardiovascular system checkedout to make sure you know you're
checking your heart.
You know a lot of those thingshappen through, like EKGs, and
(06:30):
just making sure that you knowthat our heart is beating like
it's supposed to, becausethere's a lot of silent things,
issues, you know, that happenthat people don't even realize.
So we're talking about, likehigh blood pressure, you know
diabetes, stress and all thatstuff that.
(06:51):
And you, you know you thinkingthat you just got a headache
because you worked out Right, oryou've been studying, you know,
to get a certificate orsomething like that.
And you know, next thing, youknow you're diagnosed with
something that you know requiresyou to make some adjustments in
life.
And you know, next thing, youknow you're diagnosed with
something that you know requiresyou to make some adjustments in
life.
So you know those are some ofthe things that you cannot take
(07:11):
lightly.
So, speaking of how do you feelabout having a mental health
check-in, because that's onlybeen going on the whole mental
health and therapy and thingslike that, jay, that hasn't been
going on the whole mentalhealth and therapy and things
like that.
Jay, that hasn't been going ona whole lot and I'm gonna be
honest with you, I feel like itreally wasn't even respected
(07:33):
until after the pandemic yeah,oh, yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
That's actually a good point.
After the pandemic, I rememberit was a surge in interest in
mental health.
You know it kind of became abuzzword and everybody started
talking about you know that'swhen you first heard oh, I need
a mental health day.
Yeah, right, right, right, itwas required, take a mental
(07:57):
health day.
For a while I was like man,where was that?
But you know, mental health isjust that.
You know it's health too, soyou can't leave it out.
Mental health check-ins arejust as important as the
physical ones.
Facts, um, you know we carry somuch pressure, grief, anger,
(08:18):
whatever, you know, trauma, allthese things that get bottled up
, and then you just going on onabout your day, stress, you know
, and you think you having theseheadaches and all this stuff.
But it's really a mental thingthat's going on, because it
spills out into yourrelationships.
(08:41):
You know it spills out intowork.
Maybe you're not able to sleep,right, your spirit is off.
So, yeah, your mental health,take time to.
You know.
I say you know meditation.
It can kind of be a funny wordfor some people, but to me it's
just peace.
You know, that's what it reallymeans to me.
(09:02):
So, whatever it is that youfind peaceful, whether that is
going out in nature or, you know, just sitting down watching,
watching your favorite movie orsomething like that, or reading
a book.
You know something that'speaceful, stressless.
Get away, get out from what youthink is causing you stress.
(09:24):
Get away, get out from what youthink is is causing you stress.
Um, you know you can't grindyour way out of it, so like
trying to work harder, or youknow, just burying your face and
work, or the hustle or whateverthe case is.
Um, you know that's that's notreally gonna be it.
So therapy and and just findyour peace.
That's that's how I feel aboutyou.
(09:44):
Know your mental health.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, because if you don't make time for your body,
your body will make time.
Yeah, yeah, your body will maketime.
Look, I ain't doing nothingelse.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
And you can't figure out why it's like oh man, I
don't feel like doing nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Nothing.
So that's so key man.
You made some good points aboutpreventative care versus just
kind of waiting to where you'reexhausted and you can't do
anything.
So it is best to plan, you know, plan days of relaxation, plan
days of reward.
I think the ladies kind of havethat down pat.
(10:26):
I don't see too many self-lovevideos for the brothers man.
Maybe we have to pioneer thatman.
Yeah, you know getting somemassages and you know pedicures.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
What's the male version of the spy day man?
We got to come up with that wegot to do it.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Hey, we're going to have to solicit some spas that
want to go ahead and sponsorthat situation.
We might have to partner upwith some spas and do that.
Man, I think that that would bereally cool.
I know that there's some mancaves out here in the Atlanta
area, so we got to reach out.
Gabe's out here in the Atlantaarea, so we got to reach out.
You guys.
Actually you got to reach outto us Because we got to put you
(11:10):
on the map if you're not alreadyon there.
So you know, I think that youknow, preventative care is so
key, especially from a mentalstate.
Man, you have to plan thosedays and we all get caught up in
overworking, right, we all getcaught up.
Hey, you know, sometimes weattach certain goals to a dollar
, so we got to make that.
You know, reach that goal andsometimes, when you're out there
(11:32):
in the field, man, you just,you know, you just on this, this
natural high of accomplishingcertain tasks and things like
that.
But again, at the end of theday, man, we have to have the
best that we can do when westart talking about self-care
and finding some type of balance, because our body and minds and
(11:54):
spirits need it, gotta have itman, gotta have it, man.
You know what, jay?
We even have to start teachingthe youth the importance of
health.
Health is wealth.
Literally, health is wealth, Iknow, coming up through for me,
(12:17):
coming up through thegenerations, granddad,
great-granddad, them's myhard-working brothers.
They was at the railroads, theywas at the factories.
I'm pretty sure you could traceback that it was pig and cotton
, right?
That's, that's a.
That's some hard work, right?
And so historically, especiallyuh, men, males of color, we
(12:39):
we've uh been accustomed to hardlabor, hard labor.
So I'm so glad that we haveevolved and we understand the
importance of working smarterand not harder, you know, using
more sensories of the brain toto be creative, create different
(12:59):
resources, be a resource, usecollaboration to our advantage.
So these are things that youknow we have to teach our sons
and continue to educateourselves the importance of of
health being wealth.
And again that that camaraderieand collaboration, man, we got
(13:20):
it, we got to do better?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
yeah, for sure, for sure.
You know there's.
You mentioned, um, you know howhard working um, you know the
generations before us were, uhwere, involved with man.
There's studies done that thatshow like that's those type of
um things get passed down, youknow, through genetics.
You know, even if you know weare working, um, you know, even
(13:45):
if you know we are workingsmarter and not harder today
there's still in our DNA, likewe still remember, that you know
from when we were working.
So I think that's why a lot ofus have that mindset you know of
, you know, get it done, justget it done, work, work, work.
But at the same time, awareness, man Awareness is going to
(14:07):
teach us that there's differentways to do it.
There's different ways to carefor ourselves and, you know, to
kind of redefine our worth andnot have it attached to, you
know, just working and money andstatus and just different
things like that.
I think it's super importantand I think we are getting there
(14:27):
slowly but surely, especiallywith conversations like this,
just continuing to push andbreak the mold and just kind of
show the youth that hey, there'sa new image of self, there's a
new way to navigate your manhood, your mental health and your
physical health.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, man, that's powerful and you know we have.
We would be remiss if we didn'ttalk about just the definition
of of worth.
You know how we look going toschool versus having a job,
(15:09):
having a career.
You know even the moral compassof.
You know being a player versusbeing a one woman man, what that
looks like, and and theaesthetics man.
So we're in a very interestingtime because you know, back in
my day, jay, you know I'm a 70sbaby, right?
(15:31):
So back in my day we led withwhat we had.
I'm just be honest with you.
You know a lot of ladies like,well, what kind of car you drive
, you know like that could getyou somewhere just by you know
the car that you're driving.
Or you know if you got moneythat you know that can bypass
(15:52):
your aesthetic sometimes, if youhear what I'm saying, right, so
you would see the guys justlike, okay, you know he's not an
athlete and you know he's notsuper smart because you know how
some ladies gravitate to thenerds, right.
So we have all of that.
So what else he got going onand it will be money and I'm
(16:13):
talking about back in my day.
So you know the brother has somecash and and he can, you know,
buy her.
You know, back then you knowthey didn't have all these
designers and labels, wasn'timportant.
Know back then, you know theydidn't have all these designers
and labels, wasn't important.
But if you could, if you couldtake a young lady out to, uh,
you know, a nice littlerestaurant, um, you can buy her
(16:33):
like a pair of shoes.
You know again, you know, backin my day and growing up in
jacksonville, you know we didn'thave to worry about these high
ends.
But if you get this sister, youknow three, four pairs of
jellies you know I'm sayingbecause I don't like the sandals
back then, man, you, uh, you inbed when they're like swimwear.
(16:55):
Speaking of swimwear, you couldtake it to the beach, you know,
and just kind of hang out, man,you have to have a whole lot,
but you could have a little bitmore than the next man and that
would kind of get you, uh getyou clearance if you didn't have
the aesthetics you know.
So of course, that's if youknow you wasn't a jock of school
(17:15):
or and, uh, you know the swag,doubt, that type of thing, man.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
There was creative ways, man, to still be able to
uh get what you want or what youhad yeah, yeah, I don't know if
, if you know how much it haschanged today, pops, I'm not
gonna just be honest with you.
I think that, uh, you rightthough, though, they want the
(17:44):
designers and the Birkin bagsand all this other stuff.
But, you know, the moneydefinitely talks.
But that's why it's soimportant, as men, for us to
really understand and just kindof stay grounded in in, uh, in
(18:04):
who we are.
Um, because you know, the womengonna want what they want.
You know what I'm saying, butit's it's up to us to you know,
to to be aware, you know, andkind of be um, just be
understanding and just move,just move smart, man, you know,
just, just just move smart,because they not, you know, yeah
(18:27):
, it's, it's, it's a lot of themthat that are like that, but
there's not all of them.
You know what I'm saying.
So you'll still be able to to,you know, to work your mojo.
If you ain't got the cash likethat, it's, it's other rhythms
and ways.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
It is and I think, being genuine kind of finding
your niche in life, kind offinding your purpose.
You know, a lot of times youknow young men are so engulfed
in trying to get to the money,trying to wear the designers,
trying to get the nice car andstuff like that, that they don't
understand that the power is inthe purpose.
(19:06):
So when you're actually lookingto elevate yourself, personal
growth and development, thingslike reading, meditating,
putting yourself in the rightenvironments, it's going to
propel you to a certain level,to where you get to bypass a lot
of the rigmarole, right, youget to bypass, you know, trying
(19:30):
to impress women with elaborateshenanigans.
Let me just say, right, youdon't have to have all this talk
game, because your true missionright now is to be the best
version of yourself.
And most women I would say mostwomen of a certain standard,
(19:54):
value that more important,because they know that wherever
you're at right now, it's just apart of your journey, so it's
not the end, all be all, it'sjust as you continue to evolve.
And that's what you really wantto start dealing with.
You want to deal with womenthat really understand that it
doesn't stop here.
(20:14):
That man, he is continuing toelevate and he's putting
themselves in different positionto where he can be a true
leader.
And ultimately, that's whatwomen want.
They want a man who isconfident, they want a man who
is strong and, uh, you know,extremely intentional, but
(20:36):
ultimately they want a goodleader, you know, because women
need guidance.
I got to throw that in there,y'all.
Look, man, we, we, we.
We was at a party.
One of our business launches,one of our business partners,
and you know, we did our thing.
We talked about, you know,finances and credit and money
(20:56):
and stuff like that, andbusiness credit and all that.
But then afterwards, you know,we kind of veered a little bit
left, I mean, but of course thiswas after business.
So, man, we was just talkingabout, you know, the importance
of women and men bridging thegap and, uh, you know, we got to
the point where we just had tosay it Like look, ladies, I'll
(21:17):
talk a lot.
Yeah you talk a lot, andsometimes your girlfriends won't
tell you that because she talksa lot too, you know.
But but it's so important tounderstand that if you listen to
comprehend, or you listen tounderstand, you'll realize that
(21:39):
you can't do a lot of talking.
You can't do both at the sametime, right?
And so you know, a lot of timesyou say something within,
especially guys, because we'relearning how to communicate
better Ladies stop playing withus and we're learning how to
express ourselves.
Whether it's a safe space ornot, we're going to say what we
need to say because we want youto know how we feel.
(22:01):
We want you to know what ourperspective is.
At the same time, sometimes youhear something that you do not
like or do not want to hear, ormay disagree.
So you can't go past that onemoment.
It doesn't matter what he says.
If he's talking about you knowhow he is.
You know thinking about workingout more.
(22:23):
So you guys aren't going to beable to do your Wednesday night
dates because he needs to add anadditional day to work out.
You thinking OK, well, what'sthat about?
Meanwhile, the man went to thedoctor and the doctor said you
need to up your working out days.
He couldn't even get to thatpoint.
Isn't that crazy?
(22:44):
You think?
Who is it?
You got somebody else.
What you need to start doingnow, like come on man come on,
give me brother a break andlisten.
Hey, man, we need to get someshirts.
Ladies, relax and listen.
I think that would.
We need to get some shirtsLadies, relax and listen.
I think that that would bepowerful.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, I like that one .
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, yeah, most definitely All right.
So, look, before we wrap thingsup, I think that it's important
that we also talk about youknow how social media, you know,
distorts males' issues Like wenot really getting strong
representation, and of course,this is a Pops of Some Podcast,
but we're not shying away fromwhat's going on, like we know
(23:23):
that Shannon Sharp is stillgoing through some things.
Right, yeah, we get that right.
We also get that.
Stephen A Smith and all these.
Hey, look, man, I'm going to behonest with y'all.
Jonathan Majors is still beingside eyed, like, even though it
seemed like it's quiet.
This man, him and Megan, gotmarried.
(23:46):
Right, are they married or arethey engaged?
yeah, they did get married right, so they still giving this man
slack about his choices prior toher.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Come on, so we got to get to the point.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we definitelygot to get to to just
understanding that that type ofrepresentation Listen, man, this
is all noise is exactly what.
Exactly what Pop says socialmedia distortion.
It's like the mirrors.
(24:24):
You go at the fun house whereyou go in, you're looking all
goofy and stretched out andstuff.
That's it, man.
Exaggerations of the truth, ofthe truth.
So, yeah, we just got tomaintain our integrity.
You know you scroll in your feedand you're seeing all this
(24:45):
crazy stuff, or even from thisaspect too, you know we talked
about earlier about the.
You know the self-image andkind of day in and you know what
you need to have to get thegirls and all this type of stuff
.
So you may be scrolling in anddoing some comparisons on on
other folks highlight reel andseeing you know from that, from
(25:05):
that aspect too.
You know, just um, you gottaknow you you're not always gonna
see folks stressing on the, onthe timeline.
You not going to see themtelling you about how much debt
they are in or telling you abouttheir low credit score.
Everybody got a high creditscore online.
(25:27):
You know what I'm saying.
Right, right, they living agood lifestyle.
So you just got to rememberthat.
But don't compare your life tothat.
You know, and I think that asmen we have to stay the course,
stay focused on the missionright.
Stay focused on a purpose.
(25:47):
You know that same way that youget everything that you want
and desire as long as youmaintain your purpose and
maintain you know your goals andwhat you focused on.
I mean, you can't go wrong.
You can't go wrong with it.
Whether you feel like you, youknow you don't look the best, or
you ain't got the most money,or you're not the smartest or
(26:07):
the brightest.
Just keep pouring into yourself.
You know, don't spend any timeor energy thinking about what
the next man is doing, unlessy'all coming together to build
or do some business, and eventhen you don't need to be
worried about what he's doing.
You just need to be worriedabout the business aspect of it.
(26:28):
But always focus on yourself.
You're not doing it for theapproval of strangers on the
internet.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Man, that's really good that's I just had.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I just had to drop that one off real quick.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
You should have, I don't know you know, no, no,
that was really important.
I'm glad that you said that.
Um, you know, I I think onething that we also have to
mention the importance of amentor.
Oh yeah, um, that's somethingthat I think has been missing in
(27:01):
in our communities.
You know, have having amentorship program, and there's
a difference between a rolemodel and a mentor.
Like, role model is someonethat you may look up to, you may
respect what they do, how theydo it, but it's not the same as
(27:23):
a mentor, because a role model,you can admire them from afar
but they're not directlyteaching you anything because
they're living their life andyou just appreciate it and you
respect it.
But a mentor is someone whotakes on the responsibility of
having a mentee, someone that isgoing to be very intentional
(27:44):
when it comes to guidance,someone that is going to hold
the mentee accountable andresponsible, yet put them in a
position to prepare.
And I think that those are somevery, very integral parts of
when it comes toself-development, personal
growth, that we should learn ata young age healthy habits,
(28:11):
being disciplined, beingconsistent, and this has nothing
to do with relationship with awoman.
This is something that we needto implement as young men as we
develop to become young adultsand, you know, eventually adult
men, and that goes a long way.
I know in my area and I talkedabout another episode that it
(28:35):
was very diverse, anotherepisode that it was very diverse
but I do wish that there wereprograms out there that would
actually help and benefit youngmen of color.
And here we are in 2025.
And I do feel like thoseresources are scarce and the
(28:56):
intentionality of ensuring that,you know, um, the availability
of it and the credibility of it.
So we have to, uh, you knowagain, you know, create
different things, do more duediligence, collaborate a lot
more.
So that's why I'm thankful thatwe put together the Pops and
Son Conversations, uh, patreon,and that's just, you know, from
(29:18):
a virtual standpoint.
We have some things in themaking to where you know, we'll
definitely be having somemeetups, we'll be doing some
collaborations with somedifferent groups that are
happening, but I think those arethe things that we have to
really focus on as adult men andyoung men.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Jay adult man and young man, jay, yeah, 100%.
I would even go as far to sayas well that you know platforms
like this, our platform, is agreat hub to get insight, to
learn to, you know, to pick updifferent perspectives or even
(29:54):
discover new conversations thatyou could bring, you know, back
home, back to your friends orback to the squad, or you know,
the homies or whatever that are.
You know also, you know,because we're always intentional
about what we talk about.
You know we don't just get onhere and you know just like wing
(30:15):
it.
Like you know, we try to offersomething that's food for
thought, but also somethingthat's, you know, is practical
and can be applied.
You know what I mean.
So, yeah, this is one of thoseprime resources, primary sources
that you know, that we like tooffer and we're building, like
(30:38):
Pop said.
You know we got a lot morecoming.
So, yeah, that's why I lovegetting on here chopping it up
with you, pop.
Like it feel good, man,especially this month.
You know, like just reachingout.
I already know, you know I gotto send this one to the homies.
I'm like look, y'all, y'all,might, y'all didn't call the
shout out.
(30:58):
You know I didn't talk abouty'all on the episode yeah,
that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Hey, hey, look, they say name names, we name names
come on though yeah, uh, andagain, you know I'm so proud of
you, jay.
Um, not only uh, as a young man,but as a father man and I love
watching you teach PJ you knowhow to be a young man, you know,
(31:24):
even at his age.
You know just being respectful,being very intentional when it
comes to the places that youtake them, the people that you
bring them around, man, thosemake huge differences growing up
, because the kids do rememberwhere they were and how that
(31:46):
place made them feel, whether itwas a good experience or
whether it wasn't so good.
So definitely big up to you,man.
We have to continue to justkind of reclaim our confidence
as men altogether.
It's not being arrogant, it'sbeing confident.
There's enough going on that'sshooting us down and telling us
(32:08):
that we're not meeting thechallenge or kind of meeting our
goals when it comes to beingleaders, when it comes to, you
know, being leaders, when itcomes to being more accomplished
, meaning you know there's a lotto be proud of.
You know we're getting degreesas well.
We're establishing businesses.
You know we're partaking in ina nonprofit, philanthropy type
(32:32):
activities.
We're doing all those things.
It's just that we don't feellike that.
Social media has to have a handin every single thing that we
do.
Some stuff just comes from theheart, so that's what we want to
continue to implement and bevery proud to do.
The last thing I will say beforewe jump out of here is I do
(32:53):
want to talk about you know, Ido want to talk about you know
again, kind of go back to thesocial media thing,
representation.
We're still in a time to where,you know, it's like all of the
cities are St Louis, and what Imean by show me Right, st Louis
(33:18):
is a show me state.
Yeah and uh, you know Missouriis a show me state and so, um,
you know, it's not about youknow what you're driving and and
how many uh materialisticassets that you have.
You know, we, we have to kindof get back to having that solid
foundation of uh of identityfor men and not allowing social
(33:39):
media to take so much claim onwhat makes us a man.
If I hear somebody say a realman, y'all better get that.
Ladies, you telling me you knowwhat a real man is and you're a
woman.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
They love that post man.
They love to say what a realman would.
And you're a woman.
They love that post man.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
They love to say what a real man would and wouldn't
do, jay, I would rather them saya real man to me, yeah, I've
never heard a woman say that.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
You gotta add that caveat.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
You gotta have that man.
You gotta put that on a realman to me Then.
That way folks know not to dealwith you or not Deal with you,
or not deal with you and notdeal with you.
At least you know, uh, you knowhow they feel, but you can't
speak so general um, as if thatis, uh, you know what all ladies
are thinking.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I agree yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yeah, so look, um, we went ahead and blessed you guys
again.
We want to thank you guysalways for chiming in and tuning
in and sharing our platform.
Again, it's Men's Health Month,it's Men's Health Awareness
Month.
It's just all about men.
So one of the things that we'regoing to task you guys to do is
(34:51):
really really go heavy onsharing the platform, sharing
our Patreon.
We have that even within ourPatreon.
You can connect to the podcast,so it's available on the
Patreon the Pops and SonConversations Network.
So you definitely want to jumpin there.
We're going to have somespecial guests this month.
It's early in, we're likemid-month now, so we got some
(35:15):
special things for you guys.
You have to stay locked in, forsure, to truly enjoy our
celebration, our awareness andour contribution to Men's Health
Month via Pops and SonConversations.
So signing out it is yourfavorite Silver Fox, of course.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Hey, Check Trey.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
We out baby.
All right, we'll see you guysnext episode, man peace.
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