May 8, 2025 • 43 mins
Rob and Javan Malloy dedicate this special episode to celebrating mothers and exploring the intricate dynamics of mother-son relationships, examining how these foundational bonds shape men's identities and emotional development.
• Discussion about reclaiming the term "mama's boy" from its negative connotation
• Exploring how mothers teach sons to receive and give love
• Examining how maternal relationships set the blueprint for future relationships
• Analysis of how mothers instill emotional intelligence in their sons
• The way mothers foster vulnerability and create safe spaces for expression
• Reflections on how mothers influence the traits we look for in romantic partners
• Meaningful gift ideas for Mother's Day beyond material possessions
• Stories about mothers showing pride in their sons
• The importance of regular affirmation and gratitude toward mothers
• Recognition of all mother figures, including stepmothers and other female relatives
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
welcome to another episode of pops and son
conversations.
And yes, it is your favoritesilver fox, rob malloy and it is
son here, jayven all right, andwe have a special episode for
you ladies, for you mothers outthere.
So we definitely want to wishyou happy Mother's Day.
(00:30):
Hopefully you are enjoying yourfamily and you're not working
or doing something away fromyour family, but we want to wish
you a very happy Mother's Day.
From Pops and Son Conversations, yes, yeah.
So how should we do this?
Today, jay, we're going to goahead and dedicate the entire
(00:53):
episode to moms.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah yeah, full episode dedicated to the mothers
.
You know we got to show ourappreciation, but you know I
think we should also talk aboutsome topics.
You know we got to show ourappreciation, but you know I
think we should also talk aboutsome topics.
You know, just kind of get into.
You know, the differentintricacies of the relationship
between the mother and the son.
You know we talk about fathersand things like that all the
(01:19):
time, but we'll shed some lighton the importance of, you know,
the mother to her son.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Fair enough, man.
Fair enough, I think.
That matter of fact.
I just looked up intricacies,man, and that's a great way.
And you know, basically thatjust means that we're giving
different perspectives as far asthe dynamic of the
relationships, and we're talkingabout the relationships between
(01:49):
the mommies and their boys.
You know, it doesn't matter howold you get, you know your
mommy's going to call you herbaby.
Is that true Always?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
always, always.
That's my baby.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, yeah, even at close to 50, man moms are still
like, hey, that's my baby.
Yeah, yeah, even at close to 50man moms is still like, hey,
that's my baby boy.
So, uh, but you know, I'm notjody though I don't have that
bike, you know.
So I ain't that baby boy, I'm.
You know, I'm her youngest son.
Let's be very clear on that.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Uh, man, so can we talk about like Mama's Boy at
some point of this episode, orjust yeah, I mean sure we could
do that with just like the term,the term Mama's Boy, what it
means, and stuff Just like theterm translation perspective of
it.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
That's fun.
Let's just do that right now,man.
Let's explore that right now,and I think it may segue into,
like you mentioned, therelationship of mother and son.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah.
So for me, when I hear that, Idon't really know how to feel
about it.
I mean, I guess I don't know ifI consider myself a mama's boy.
Okay, I mean I love my mom.
But when I think about what, Ihear people like the
characteristics that they say,you know, you kind of like
(03:15):
clinging to your mom.
You know what I really thinkabout.
What was that movie?
I think it was Act Like a Lady,think Like a Lady.
I think it was at like the lady.
Uh, um, that's that's what I,yeah, that's what I always think
about.
Why he was, cause it's kind oflike his mom came before.
Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
The relationship.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, terrence J, I think about
his role and why I'm like that'snot me.
Nah, I'm not like I love mom,but like you know she mom has
her place in the relationshipand things like that.
But what about you?
Like, how do you?
What do you think about whenyou hear mama's boy?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
So, being close to 50 and I have to say that because
you know, my thought process andperspective has changed Now I
know a little bit younger, youknow, mama's boy was was almost
like cursing, like cursing atsomebody and saying that you
know, a young man allows hismother to make decisions for him
to you know that she's supercontrolling.
He has no, you know, he, he hasto stand up to his mom on
(04:21):
behalf of his woman and stufflike that.
But then I was thinking there'sno negative connotation for
daddy's girl, like zero, youknow what I'm saying, right?
So I'm like, so it is what weallow it to be.
When I hear mama's boy, or youknow, that's, that's my son,
(04:45):
that's my baby, it's, it'sendearing, maybe protective, but
not overprotective.
I think that would besubjective.
And so, man, you know, as I gotolder, I think that it should
be appreciated that that a sonappreciates his mom, because
(05:06):
think about it.
So I want to put this inperspective real quick.
Now, when a woman is dating aquote-unquote mama's boy, you
know there's a lot of negativeconnotation.
It's almost like he can't makedecisions for himself.
He got to stand up.
His mom is basically runninghis life.
But that same woman and herrelationship with her son.
(05:29):
No, you know what I'm sayingshe doesn't feel like she's
overbearing.
She's not going to feel likeshe's super overprotective.
She's just a caring mother thatwants the best for her son
Exactly so I feel like we should.
And she's just a caring motherthat wants the best for her son
Exactly so.
So, so I feel like we shouldclaim or reclaim that statement
(05:54):
and make it into a positive,because it's very, very clear
how women feel when a mandoesn't have a relationship with
his mom.
Ain't that wild?
Yeah, it's in question of well,what's wrong with you and why
don't you have a relationshipwith your mom?
Because, again, for them, theway that a man treats his mom is
(06:19):
the way that he's gonna treathis, his woman.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Right, it's like you can't win.
You know you can't win forlosing.
It's like on either side of thescale you're going to be judged
.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
On either side.
This is a catch-22.
You can't love your mama.
That's what it boils down to.
You have to have a very youknow strict relationship with
your mother and you know, onceyou get of a certain age.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
You need to put her on the shelf.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
That's cold man, Isn't that something?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, that's cold.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
That's something, man .
So again, I think that you knowMama's Boy is, you know it's
banter, you know it's a uh nameto use and everything.
But at the end of the day, ayoung man in his relationship
with his mother is extremelyimportant.
Doesn't matter what labels thatyou use mama's boy and and mama
(07:16):
say that that's my baby andstuff like that man, be glad for
that relationship.
Oh man, tell me, Tell me aboutit Exactly.
Be happy that you know yourmother is here, that she's alive
, that you guys can think.
You know back to great memoriesand milestones, create new
memories while the opportunityis there.
So I'm going to say we're goingto embrace the mama's boy
(07:41):
jargon.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Okay, yeah, I like that.
Let's flip it it.
There's nothing wrong withbeing a mama's boy, nothing, we
gotta.
We gotta take that negativeconnotation away.
You know one of the things, um,you know mama's boy, yeah, it's
like the more I think about itand just kind of get into like
the importance, the importanceof that relationship.
(08:04):
Yeah, you know your mom, yourmother, is really like your
first, your first experiencewith that, with that energy,
with that female energy, thatlove, that softness, that
structure Right, and I thinkthat the way that relationship
(08:24):
is so important because it'skind of like the blueprint that
you carry on with how you relatewith other women, as you.
You know, as you mature andbecome an adult, you know
mothers, they teach their sonshow to receive love and how to
give it back to like that'sthat's where you get.
(08:45):
So you're kind of speaking onearlier about you know, there's
some some question about thatrelationship with your mom,
because you know, maybe somewomen will think that if there
is no relationship or if there'snot a good relationship, then
they don't know how to loveproperly.
I think that's kind of whatthat right where that stems from
.
So I think it's so, I thinkit's super important and we got
(09:06):
to be glad, happy and gratefulto have those mothers in our
lives.
That took that time to reallyshow.
And it's so beautiful becauseit's just natural.
When I think about my mom, youknow, I don't know, I don't know
about you, pop, but okay,that's, that's one of those
(09:28):
things.
It's like you, you think aboutmoms and you just get, you know,
you just get fuzzy inside likeyou, you just feel it because
you, you go back to them, themgolden days, the moments of you
know what I'm saying.
Maybe you you fell outside oryou scraped yourself and you,
you know, she just madeeverything better.
Man, this is nothing like.
It's nothing like moms.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
That's so true.
And even the way that she, amother, nurtures her son, the
way that she praises her son,because you know, mother mothers
will praise their son.
If you never get praise in yourlife by anyone, or if you do,
the first person it'll be isyour mother.
(10:10):
That's right.
First one, to let everybodyknow how proud she is, and it's
even things that you think maybe minute and small, right?
Oh, she's going to tell theworld.
I remember, uh, we was eatingdinner.
Um, this might have been liketwo years ago.
We was eating dinner or, and wewas in this long line and I
(10:32):
think that it was.
It might have been mother's dayor father's day or something
like that.
And so moms is walking aroundshowing people my instagram page
, like, like in line.
Yeah, and she's like this is mybaby boy, he's your favorite
silver Fox.
So wait a minute, man, that'sright, it's your day, cause I
(10:53):
believe it was mother's day.
It's your day.
And she was just so proud andmy brother was with us.
I think he was feeling sometype of way.
I think he was now.
Now, he didn't say it, he wasjust kind of laughing and saying
, hey, you know your mom overthere showing people your social
media and he don't have socialmedia, so that might have been
why he might have been a little,you know.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
I mean.
And so it was cool because, asshe was, you know, sharing
people, she was telling peopletake out your phone, follow him.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
She was campaigning for you.
I thought that was so dope, andeven some of the ladies, like
the younger ladies, got out ofline to come meet me.
She's like, oh yeah, ok, can Imeet him?
Is he here?
And I was like this is a lotgoing on.
Kind of one of those days whereyou wish you had the sunglasses
(11:46):
and wig on, or sunglasses and acap incognito incognito.
But you know, in reality, man,it is a great feeling when you
know you can make your mom proudand you know she does, you know
she does a thing and that'ssomething that only mothers can
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do and they give you that very,very significant and special
feeling.
That man just makes you want tokeep going and feeling proud
yeah, yeah, I, I got a secondthat mothers.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
You know they're.
They're like the first personto tell you you know that you
matter before before you come tothat.
You know they're like the firstperson to tell you you know
that you matter before beforeyou come to that.
You know the world and you knowthey're trying to convince you
or you might start secondguessing yourself, but mom is
always going to be there to letyou know, like you know you, my
baby, I love you, you can doanything.
(12:41):
All those affirmations andthose things that empower you to
just make you feel like you cango and take over the world, I
guess it's that is invaluable.
So, mothers, don't stop doingthat, don't stop speaking life
into those, those young boys,because they, we need it now
more than ever.
You just don't know how.
You know how special and howuplifting that is that's a fact,
(13:05):
that's a fact.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
So you know, shout out to the moms embarrassing
their, their sons, out here, youknow, they may see, they may
say come on, mom, stop, but theyloving it inside, they are
loving it because oh yeah no,nobody can do that, like moms do
.
So, oh man.
So shout out uh to all the moms.
And you know, when you thinkabout it, man, let's just, let's
(13:27):
just kind of pivot a little bit.
How does the you knowrelationship with your mom, or
lack thereof, actually affect usas men, as males, long-term?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, yeah.
So you know I'll give youanother, I'll give you another
little counter.
You know there is some thatthey talk about with the daddy's
girls.
They talk about the daddyissues, right, yeah, but you
don't really hear about themommy issues that much when it
comes to the sons.
(14:06):
But I do think there are somethings you know.
When you speak about the lack ofthat, it's just you know just
kind of how we talked about thelack of that instilling that.
You know that upliftment andyou know just having a person in
your corner that's alwaysencouraging you and things like
that.
You know that could also wearon you and just kind of coming
(14:29):
to your own and growing up ifyou don't have that.
Yeah, you know there's, I thinkthere's just kind of certain,
certain wounds or just certaincharacteristics that you may
carry on into differentrelationships.
Not just you know it could beplatonic and also interpersonal,
but just how you carry yourself, like you may not find, you may
(14:53):
not see, like all of yourvalues is, I guess what I'm
trying to say Like sometimes wecan have that thing where we
doubt ourselves and even inrelationships maybe you
second-guessing and not feelingworthy and just kind of things
like that, like the world iscoming down on you, stuff like
that, but that's just kind ofhow I see it on some fronts.
(15:15):
How do you feel about it Pops?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, great points.
You know I would be remiss if Ididn't talk about how the
relationship with your mother,your mother figure, A mother,
will show you how to bevulnerable.
You know, uh, your pops is notdoing that.
He going to tell you be a man,be strong, never let them see
you sweat, come back even hardernext time.
(15:39):
But you know, moms is going tolet you know, uh, she's going to
create that safe space for youto be vulnerable, express
yourself, learn how to be abetter listener or active
listener, and you know just someof those things, man, that'll
make you a more intelligent,emotionally intelligent.
(16:03):
Like, when I think about it,that is the best example that I
can give you when we talk aboutemotional intelligence versus
the other buzzword aboutrelationships.
A mother will let you know thatit's OK to express yourself.
She'll also let you know theimportance of boundaries Right,
Do not let people take advantageof you, take advantage of your
(16:23):
heart.
You know, don't get finessed.
Oh yeah, you know what I mean.
Like, moms is going to give youthe game about women.
Like your pops can give you thegame about women, but that's
going to be according to hisexperiences, right?
Moms is going to give you theoverall game.
This is how women think, thisis how women can think.
These are the possibilities,these are the things to look out
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for.
Moms is going to give you thattype of game.
So having that relationshipwith her is definitely going to
catapult you when it comes toequipping you for future
relationships and friendships.
(17:06):
And then, of course, you know,to teach you about love, loving,
being loved, what love may looklike for you.
She's going to give you that.
No, pops is going to give you alittle bit different game.
He's going to say, hey, this iswhat you need to look out for,
right?
But when it comes to receivinglove, accepting love, hands down
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, moms's going to take care ofyou in that department.
So having that, thatrelationship with her, is going
to help you a hundred fold.
Not having that relationship,honestly, is going to leave you
a void.
It's going to leave you a voidand it may be a situation where
you find yourself searching forthat love that you did not
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receive from your mom, andthat's when things can come
really complicated in your lifeas a man.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, that's, yeah, that's heavy.
Now, you really brought thatdown, pops.
It's super important and that'swhy we got to give.
We got to give thanks, man.
It's super important and that'swhy we got to give.
We got to give thanks, man.
This pot is definitelydedicated to the moms you know I
think about when you wastalking about how they you know,
they kind of they'll show you,introduce you to the ways that
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you need to be accepting thatlove in your life.
You know what I mean.
Moms definitely, definitely,laid that foundation down to me.
Now, I didn't always listen,but when I think back, she was
100% right.
She'll tell you I don't likeher and you're like what's not
to like?
You just got to listen, man.
(18:43):
Yeah, she knows this.
She'll be like it's somethingabout it.
I don't like it.
Don't know what I'm saying, butmy mama, mama knows best for
sure.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Mama knows best.
And now that you did mentionthat man, the that's a big
influence on how we actuallychoose our mate.
I do want to ask you, Jay, whatdo you see yourself when it
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comes to being attracted to awoman?
Because you may have some of ofyour mom's traits and some of
your mom's you know, some ofyour mom's gestures, or
something like that have youexperienced?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, yeah, that's, that's a good one.
One hundred percent.
I can definitely say onehundred percent, like 100
percent.
I find myself, when I, when Imeet a woman and she's, you know
, intelligent, has a really good, good sense of humor, you know
what I'm saying Can, can hold aconversation that we, that we
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could get really engaged.
And you know, my mom, my mom islike a movie buff and I
remember just always asking herabout just whatever and she
didn't always have the answers,but she did have a lot of the
answers, like you know, it waskind of like a little trivia
thing for us.
So, yeah, definitely.
(20:22):
And you mentioned skin tone.
Yeah, I do, I'm not going tolie, I didn't really think about
it until now, but I'm sure thatit probably is a direct
influence of my mother.
But you know also, just, youknow a woman that's really calm,
down to earth, not reallytemperamental like that.
(20:43):
My mom was really chill, youknow it was.
She was only passionate when,when she was, you know,
disciplined about something, butotherwise it was just, it was
real chill.
So I definitely lean towardsthe women that are more like
that, for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, that's really cool.
You know, for me my mom has setthe bar extremely high.
My mom has set the barextremely high.
So it would be or it is andtypically is extremely difficult
to do a, you know, a side byside comparison.
I wouldn't want to do that, butmoms have set the bar so high.
(21:25):
When it comes to when I think ofyou know what a wife should be,
what a wife should be doing,you know, number one she's super
old fashioned and traditional,so that's that's hard to find
nowadays.
You know she was, she was theCEO or the COO, chief operating
officer of the household, and mydad, you know, went out there
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and made things happen.
She made sure that thehousehold was in tip top shape,
man, and and she made it lookeasy, you know, with four kids
at the house and you know wedidn't have a whole lot of
resources but as, as kids man,we would have never known you
know what we did not really haveaccess to because you know moms
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made it happen.
You know dad, dad was Navy, soyou know he's gone six months at
a time, eight months, fourmonths a year, overseas, that
type of thing.
So mom really, really literallyheld things up.
I don't even say held thingsdown, held things down.
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She held things up and, um, sheset the bar so high.
You know cook meals, uh, youknow combing everybody's hair
and braiding, but you know allthat stuff, yeah, everybody's
good to go.
And then, you know, coming homeand just making sure now now
don't get me wrong she, uh, shehad a shot.
Uh, I ran a really tight shipbecause you, you know, we had to
clean up, we had to make surethat the outside was good, the
inside, but, but just being, youknow, super resilient, you know
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we never saw her break down.
So you know she was, she wasvery intentional about how she
expressed herself, she waspassionate at times, but also,
you know, she really kept aneven keel.
So we, we never knew it takes alot to be able to do that.
So, I know, I know women in2025, they don't want to do it.
(23:22):
I'm not saying that they can't,but they don't want to do that.
Right, they want mimosas, theywant a trip to Aruba, bahamas,
dubai, like you know, they likeF them kids, right, ain't that
the motto nowadays?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
That's it.
It's a whole meme now.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
It's a whole meme now .
So, yeah, mom, mom, she'sdefinitely one on one.
But she also always gave somesolid advice when asked.
She never preached to us, youknow, if we asked her a question
, she would answer it and itwould be in in a way that it's
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just some friendly perspective.
It wasn't even advice becauseyou could take it or leave it,
but she would give, you know,examples of things like that.
And she's like, hey, look at itthis way, and I would say one
of the best things that she hadtaught me when it came to
relationships.
She said Robbie, she called meRobbie, she's like Robbie.
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One thing I want you to knowabout relationships you never
want to get, you never want toopen up a new door, to close the
door behind you.
And when she said that I waslike man, whatever man, do what
I want to do, I can handle it.
And sure enough, you know thatthat whole scenario came about
and I did not make the best ofdecisions, but I can't say that
(24:48):
I wasn't worn Right, and so it'sa lifelong lesson and I always
think about it now.
You know it's, it's superpowerful now and always think
about it now.
But you know, just thankful for.
You know her wisdom, you knowmoms is 83,.
You know mother's day and acouple of days 83 man holding
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things together right.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
It's beautiful.
That's beautiful pops.
Yeah, yeah, we love our moms,man.
If y'all can't tell we love ourmothers, we're not trading for
the world, nah.
So, speaking of that, with itbeing Mother's Day and we
(25:32):
appreciating the mothers, whatare some ways?
Let's give them some ways that,um, that they could.
You know what I'm saying forthe listeners, for the sons and
the fathers out there listening.
I think you know.
Well, I don't know about youpops, but I've never been the
best at at gifts.
You know what I mean.
I was always like a, a giftcard type of person.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah, yeah, you know.
So I'm going to be a littleFrank here, even though my name
is Rob.
You know, when it comes tothese particular holidays and
stuff like that, I'm going to behonest with you.
I don't really push them superheavy because I know that it's
all about.
You know the economics here inthe US.
(26:19):
You know you got folks spendingmoney that they don't have,
racking up the credit card bills, and you know we financial
literacy advocates.
You know it's definitely notabout you know what expensive,
how expensive and that type ofthing.
Definitely not about you knowwhat expensive, how expensive
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and that type of thing.
And then competing you knowyou're competing with your
siblings, you're competing withyour dad or whatever the case is
, to trying to get a better giftthan them and see if you can
shift mom's love, all this crazystuff.
So you know, I think that someof the most simple things will
mean a lot, and I would say thatyou know, just spending some
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time.
If your mom is near you, if sheis proximal, if she's local, go
spend some time with her,because it doesn't matter how
expensive that gift is.
She would trade that gift infor some time, right, every
single time, and you know that'ssomething that is invaluable.
You can't really put a pricetag on time.
(27:24):
You know you could buy amillion dollar house, but if you
don't spend any time with yourmom and then she's going to be
lonely up in it Right, what goodis it?
So I would say time will be thefirst thing that I think will
be important.
And, to be honest, man, I thinkmemorabilia like if you have a
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picture, if you could put apicture in a frame, I think that
that's one of the greatestthings you can do.
Or if you have a family picture, or you, the kids and mom, or
whatever the case is, you know,create a canvas out of it.
You know that you can put, youknow, at the house, get a
painting of it, a paintedversion of a picture.
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I think things like that willhelp because it'll it'll bring,
it'll bring back some of thebest memories that you had,
whether it's childhood orwhether it's adolescence or
whether it's adulthood, but it'sa constant reminder that we
have good memories and we haveamazing times with our mom.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, I'll add to it, I think, another good thing.
I remember one time my mom, andwhen she asked me this question
, I didn't, I didn't reallyunderstand it, but she was like
it was random too.
One day she came to me and shewas like you know, javen, was I
a good mom to you?
Yeah yeah, man.
(28:48):
So I think that the best, oneof the best things that that I
could do or that we could do isjust giving our mothers that
acknowledgement, just having areal conversation and just
having that moment where youjust look in her eyes and be
like everything you did for me,I appreciate everything, I love
(29:13):
you for everything, you know.
I think our mothers need that,that reassurance, because
sometimes they can be, you know,they can be critical and make
on themselves, I mean, and maybewe don't see it, but, um, just
kind of giving them that youknow, mom, you, I know you did
everything that you could.
I love you for it and you knowI'm, I'm the man I am today
(29:35):
because of the hard work thatyou put in and the way you
raised me and the love that yougave me.
You know, just just themhearing that I feel like it
could be a real, a real specialmoment.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
You know, come on, that's even sparking an idea.
I would challenge everybody towrite a letter to their mom.
I would challenge everybody towrite a letter their mom.
I would challenge everybody towrite a letter, whether it's one
page.
Now, don't give her a 12-pageletter, man, and send me a
letter.
It's like a Leah.
Don't do that, you know,because she don't want to read
all that.
But you know something that shecan put on her mirror or
(30:10):
something she can, you know, puton the wall.
She might even want to frame it.
But a handwritten letter, holdon, let me say that, let me try
it again A legible, handwrittenletter, you know, to your mom's,
just letting her know how muchyou appreciate her.
Maybe drop a few memories inthere that stood out the most
(30:31):
and some milestones, and reallyjust letting her know that you
love her, that you're proud ofher, that she did a great job,
because you know, moms canalways use reassurance, man,
they're their toughest critics.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
So they can always use some reassurance.
I think that'll be prettypowerful.
And let me just add this whilewe're at it, because I want to
be straight up I think that youknow, services would really be
more appreciated than thanproducts, and what I mean by
(31:06):
that is, you know, if you don'talready.
You know, get her hair done,get you know the pedicure,
manicure, if she wants somepolish, and all that.
You that, keep all the diamondsand stuff off the fingernails
like y'all do.
Okay, mom want to keep it simpleand sassy, right, just
(31:26):
something like that that shewould appreciate If she's
comfortable with a massage or aspa day.
Man, I think that that'ssomething that in their day
because, you know, a lot ofmothers are older, a lot of
mothers are more seasoned, butthey work so hard and they did
so many things to where theydidn't really have time to
pamper themselves.
(31:47):
And so you know, instead ofgiving her a really really nice,
expensive watch, that rightthere could be a whole spa day,
you know, and she would reallyappreciate that, because the
watch, if she loses the watch,she ain't even going to tell you
she's just going to you're justgoing to have to ask her in a
couple of years mom, where'sthat watch that I bought you?
She's going to go, oh, baby.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
It's in the drawer.
It's in the drawer somewhereright.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Never saw it, or your daddy.
He lost it.
Blame it on him.
I told him that I needed to getit sized down and then I could
see it again.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Never seen again, man .
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Never, ever so, man, I think that something like that
, something so simple, and youcan't really take that cash gift
for granted.
Man, moms like that cash, stopplaying.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Oh yeah, hey, cash is always accepted.
She'll make it do what it do.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, then she can do what she want.
But one thing you got to tellyour mom, though you got to give
them cash, you got to give themstipulations.
Jay, come here, look, don't putthis on a bill, don't pay your
insurance on this.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Right, right, right, this is for you, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Something you've been looking at, something that you
want, something that's sittingin your cart right now.
You know, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Oh yeah.
I know they got those Amazoncards.
There's something in thereright now.
Something is in there waitingto be purchased.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Indeed, man Indeed.
So you know, we definitely wantto acknowledge again all the
mothers and all the motherfigures.
God bless those out there whosemother is is not here on Earth
but still, you know, in theheavenly presence.
And so we know that you knowmothers that stepped in which is
(33:45):
called stepmothers.
We know mother figures and sothat might be the grandma or the
auntie or big sister stepped into be that mother figure.
So we want to give you yourflowers as well and show your
appreciation and wish you anamazing Mother's Day celebration
.
I won't even say a happyMother's Day, I'll just say a
(34:07):
Mother's Day celebration,because every day our moms
should be celebrated.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah, I couldn't have said it better myself.
Pops yeah, couldn't have saidit better myself okay, well,
look, that's.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
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Popsun Conversations and we outwe out.
welcome to another episode of pops and son
conversations.
And yes, it is your favoritesilver fox, rob malloy and it is
son here, jayven all right, andwe have a special episode for
you ladies, for you mothers outthere.
So we definitely want to wishyou happy Mother's Day.
(00:30):
Hopefully you are enjoying yourfamily and you're not working
or doing something away fromyour family, but we want to wish
you a very happy Mother's Day.
From Pops and Son Conversations, yes, yeah.
So how should we do this?
Today, jay, we're going to goahead and dedicate the entire
(00:53):
episode to moms.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah yeah, full episode dedicated to the mothers
.
You know we got to show ourappreciation, but you know I
think we should also talk aboutsome topics.
You know we got to show ourappreciation, but you know I
think we should also talk aboutsome topics.
You know, just kind of get into.
You know, the differentintricacies of the relationship
between the mother and the son.
You know we talk about fathersand things like that all the
(01:19):
time, but we'll shed some lighton the importance of, you know,
the mother to her son.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Fair enough, man.
Fair enough, I think.
That matter of fact.
I just looked up intricacies,man, and that's a great way.
And you know, basically thatjust means that we're giving
different perspectives as far asthe dynamic of the
relationships, and we're talkingabout the relationships between
(01:49):
the mommies and their boys.
You know, it doesn't matter howold you get, you know your
mommy's going to call you herbaby.
Is that true Always?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
always, always.
That's my baby.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, yeah, even at close to 50, man moms are still
like, hey, that's my baby.
Yeah, yeah, even at close to 50man moms is still like, hey,
that's my baby boy.
So, uh, but you know, I'm notjody though I don't have that
bike, you know.
So I ain't that baby boy, I'm.
You know, I'm her youngest son.
Let's be very clear on that.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Uh, man, so can we talk about like Mama's Boy at
some point of this episode, orjust yeah, I mean sure we could
do that with just like the term,the term Mama's Boy, what it
means, and stuff Just like theterm translation perspective of
it.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
That's fun.
Let's just do that right now,man.
Let's explore that right now,and I think it may segue into,
like you mentioned, therelationship of mother and son.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah.
So for me, when I hear that, Idon't really know how to feel
about it.
I mean, I guess I don't know ifI consider myself a mama's boy.
Okay, I mean I love my mom.
But when I think about what, Ihear people like the
characteristics that they say,you know, you kind of like
(03:15):
clinging to your mom.
You know what I really thinkabout.
What was that movie?
I think it was Act Like a Lady,think Like a Lady.
I think it was at like the lady.
Uh, um, that's that's what I,yeah, that's what I always think
about.
Why he was, cause it's kind oflike his mom came before.
Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
The relationship.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, terrence J, I think about
his role and why I'm like that'snot me.
Nah, I'm not like I love mom,but like you know she mom has
her place in the relationshipand things like that.
But what about you?
Like, how do you?
What do you think about whenyou hear mama's boy?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
So, being close to 50 and I have to say that because
you know, my thought process andperspective has changed Now I
know a little bit younger, youknow, mama's boy was was almost
like cursing, like cursing atsomebody and saying that you
know, a young man allows hismother to make decisions for him
to you know that she's supercontrolling.
He has no, you know, he, he hasto stand up to his mom on
(04:21):
behalf of his woman and stufflike that.
But then I was thinking there'sno negative connotation for
daddy's girl, like zero, youknow what I'm saying, right?
So I'm like, so it is what weallow it to be.
When I hear mama's boy, or youknow, that's, that's my son,
(04:45):
that's my baby, it's, it'sendearing, maybe protective, but
not overprotective.
I think that would besubjective.
And so, man, you know, as I gotolder, I think that it should
be appreciated that that a sonappreciates his mom, because
(05:06):
think about it.
So I want to put this inperspective real quick.
Now, when a woman is dating aquote-unquote mama's boy, you
know there's a lot of negativeconnotation.
It's almost like he can't makedecisions for himself.
He got to stand up.
His mom is basically runninghis life.
But that same woman and herrelationship with her son.
(05:29):
No, you know what I'm sayingshe doesn't feel like she's
overbearing.
She's not going to feel likeshe's super overprotective.
She's just a caring mother thatwants the best for her son
Exactly so I feel like we should.
And she's just a caring motherthat wants the best for her son
Exactly so.
So, so I feel like we shouldclaim or reclaim that statement
(05:54):
and make it into a positive,because it's very, very clear
how women feel when a mandoesn't have a relationship with
his mom.
Ain't that wild?
Yeah, it's in question of well,what's wrong with you and why
don't you have a relationshipwith your mom?
Because, again, for them, theway that a man treats his mom is
(06:19):
the way that he's gonna treathis, his woman.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Right, it's like you can't win.
You know you can't win forlosing.
It's like on either side of thescale you're going to be judged
.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
On either side.
This is a catch-22.
You can't love your mama.
That's what it boils down to.
You have to have a very youknow strict relationship with
your mother and you know, onceyou get of a certain age.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
You need to put her on the shelf.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
That's cold man, Isn't that something?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, that's cold.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
That's something, man .
So again, I think that you knowMama's Boy is, you know it's
banter, you know it's a uh nameto use and everything.
But at the end of the day, ayoung man in his relationship
with his mother is extremelyimportant.
Doesn't matter what labels thatyou use mama's boy and and mama
(07:16):
say that that's my baby andstuff like that man, be glad for
that relationship.
Oh man, tell me, Tell me aboutit Exactly.
Be happy that you know yourmother is here, that she's alive
, that you guys can think.
You know back to great memoriesand milestones, create new
memories while the opportunityis there.
So I'm going to say we're goingto embrace the mama's boy
(07:41):
jargon.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Okay, yeah, I like that.
Let's flip it it.
There's nothing wrong withbeing a mama's boy, nothing, we
gotta.
We gotta take that negativeconnotation away.
You know one of the things, um,you know mama's boy, yeah, it's
like the more I think about itand just kind of get into like
the importance, the importanceof that relationship.
(08:04):
Yeah, you know your mom, yourmother, is really like your
first, your first experiencewith that, with that energy,
with that female energy, thatlove, that softness, that
structure Right, and I thinkthat the way that relationship
(08:24):
is so important because it'skind of like the blueprint that
you carry on with how you relatewith other women, as you.
You know, as you mature andbecome an adult, you know
mothers, they teach their sonshow to receive love and how to
give it back to like that'sthat's where you get.
(08:45):
So you're kind of speaking onearlier about you know, there's
some some question about thatrelationship with your mom,
because you know, maybe somewomen will think that if there
is no relationship or if there'snot a good relationship, then
they don't know how to loveproperly.
I think that's kind of whatthat right where that stems from
.
So I think it's so, I thinkit's super important and we got
(09:06):
to be glad, happy and gratefulto have those mothers in our
lives.
That took that time to reallyshow.
And it's so beautiful becauseit's just natural.
When I think about my mom, youknow, I don't know, I don't know
about you, pop, but okay,that's, that's one of those
(09:28):
things.
It's like you, you think aboutmoms and you just get, you know,
you just get fuzzy inside likeyou, you just feel it because
you, you go back to them, themgolden days, the moments of you
know what I'm saying.
Maybe you you fell outside oryou scraped yourself and you,
you know, she just madeeverything better.
Man, this is nothing like.
It's nothing like moms.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
That's so true.
And even the way that she, amother, nurtures her son, the
way that she praises her son,because you know, mother mothers
will praise their son.
If you never get praise in yourlife by anyone, or if you do,
the first person it'll be isyour mother.
(10:10):
That's right.
First one, to let everybodyknow how proud she is, and it's
even things that you think maybe minute and small, right?
Oh, she's going to tell theworld.
I remember, uh, we was eatingdinner.
Um, this might have been liketwo years ago.
We was eating dinner or, and wewas in this long line and I
(10:32):
think that it was.
It might have been mother's dayor father's day or something
like that.
And so moms is walking aroundshowing people my instagram page
, like, like in line.
Yeah, and she's like this is mybaby boy, he's your favorite
silver Fox.
So wait a minute, man, that'sright, it's your day, cause I
(10:53):
believe it was mother's day.
It's your day.
And she was just so proud andmy brother was with us.
I think he was feeling sometype of way.
I think he was now.
Now, he didn't say it, he wasjust kind of laughing and saying
, hey, you know your mom overthere showing people your social
media and he don't have socialmedia, so that might have been
why he might have been a little,you know.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
I mean.
And so it was cool because, asshe was, you know, sharing
people, she was telling peopletake out your phone, follow him.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
She was campaigning for you.
I thought that was so dope, andeven some of the ladies, like
the younger ladies, got out ofline to come meet me.
She's like, oh yeah, ok, can Imeet him?
Is he here?
And I was like this is a lotgoing on.
Kind of one of those days whereyou wish you had the sunglasses
(11:46):
and wig on, or sunglasses and acap incognito incognito.
But you know, in reality, man,it is a great feeling when you
know you can make your mom proudand you know she does, you know
she does a thing and that'ssomething that only mothers can
(12:07):
do and they give you that very,very significant and special
feeling.
That man just makes you want tokeep going and feeling proud
yeah, yeah, I, I got a secondthat mothers.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
You know they're.
They're like the first personto tell you you know that you
matter before before you come tothat.
You know they're like the firstperson to tell you you know
that you matter before beforeyou come to that.
You know the world and you knowthey're trying to convince you
or you might start secondguessing yourself, but mom is
always going to be there to letyou know, like you know you, my
baby, I love you, you can doanything.
(12:41):
All those affirmations andthose things that empower you to
just make you feel like you cango and take over the world, I
guess it's that is invaluable.
So, mothers, don't stop doingthat, don't stop speaking life
into those, those young boys,because they, we need it now
more than ever.
You just don't know how.
You know how special and howuplifting that is that's a fact,
(13:05):
that's a fact.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
So you know, shout out to the moms embarrassing
their, their sons, out here, youknow, they may see, they may
say come on, mom, stop, but theyloving it inside, they are
loving it because oh yeah no,nobody can do that, like moms do
.
So, oh man.
So shout out uh to all the moms.
And you know, when you thinkabout it, man, let's just, let's
(13:27):
just kind of pivot a little bit.
How does the you knowrelationship with your mom, or
lack thereof, actually affect usas men, as males, long-term?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, yeah.
So you know I'll give youanother, I'll give you another
little counter.
You know there is some thatthey talk about with the daddy's
girls.
They talk about the daddyissues, right, yeah, but you
don't really hear about themommy issues that much when it
comes to the sons.
(14:06):
But I do think there are somethings you know.
When you speak about the lack ofthat, it's just you know just
kind of how we talked about thelack of that instilling that.
You know that upliftment andyou know just having a person in
your corner that's alwaysencouraging you and things like
that.
You know that could also wearon you and just kind of coming
(14:29):
to your own and growing up ifyou don't have that.
Yeah, you know there's, I thinkthere's just kind of certain,
certain wounds or just certaincharacteristics that you may
carry on into differentrelationships.
Not just you know it could beplatonic and also interpersonal,
but just how you carry yourself, like you may not find, you may
(14:53):
not see, like all of yourvalues is, I guess what I'm
trying to say Like sometimes wecan have that thing where we
doubt ourselves and even inrelationships maybe you
second-guessing and not feelingworthy and just kind of things
like that, like the world iscoming down on you, stuff like
that, but that's just kind ofhow I see it on some fronts.
(15:15):
How do you feel about it Pops?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, great points.
You know I would be remiss if Ididn't talk about how the
relationship with your mother,your mother figure, A mother,
will show you how to bevulnerable.
You know, uh, your pops is notdoing that.
He going to tell you be a man,be strong, never let them see
you sweat, come back even hardernext time.
(15:39):
But you know, moms is going tolet you know, uh, she's going to
create that safe space for youto be vulnerable, express
yourself, learn how to be abetter listener or active
listener, and you know just someof those things, man, that'll
make you a more intelligent,emotionally intelligent.
(16:03):
Like, when I think about it,that is the best example that I
can give you when we talk aboutemotional intelligence versus
the other buzzword aboutrelationships.
A mother will let you know thatit's OK to express yourself.
She'll also let you know theimportance of boundaries Right,
Do not let people take advantageof you, take advantage of your
(16:23):
heart.
You know, don't get finessed.
Oh yeah, you know what I mean.
Like, moms is going to give youthe game about women.
Like your pops can give you thegame about women, but that's
going to be according to hisexperiences, right?
Moms is going to give you theoverall game.
This is how women think, thisis how women can think.
These are the possibilities,these are the things to look out
(16:45):
for.
Moms is going to give you thattype of game.
So having that relationshipwith her is definitely going to
catapult you when it comes toequipping you for future
relationships and friendships.
(17:06):
And then, of course, you know,to teach you about love, loving,
being loved, what love may looklike for you.
She's going to give you that.
No, pops is going to give you alittle bit different game.
He's going to say, hey, this iswhat you need to look out for,
right?
But when it comes to receivinglove, accepting love, hands down
(17:28):
, moms's going to take care ofyou in that department.
So having that, thatrelationship with her, is going
to help you a hundred fold.
Not having that relationship,honestly, is going to leave you
a void.
It's going to leave you a voidand it may be a situation where
you find yourself searching forthat love that you did not
(17:50):
receive from your mom, andthat's when things can come
really complicated in your lifeas a man.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, that's, yeah, that's heavy.
Now, you really brought thatdown, pops.
It's super important and that'swhy we got to give.
We got to give thanks, man.
It's super important and that'swhy we got to give.
We got to give thanks, man.
This pot is definitelydedicated to the moms you know I
think about when you wastalking about how they you know,
they kind of they'll show you,introduce you to the ways that
(18:21):
you need to be accepting thatlove in your life.
You know what I mean.
Moms definitely, definitely,laid that foundation down to me.
Now, I didn't always listen,but when I think back, she was
100% right.
She'll tell you I don't likeher and you're like what's not
to like?
You just got to listen, man.
(18:43):
Yeah, she knows this.
She'll be like it's somethingabout it.
I don't like it.
Don't know what I'm saying, butmy mama, mama knows best for
sure.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Mama knows best.
And now that you did mentionthat man, the that's a big
influence on how we actuallychoose our mate.
I do want to ask you, Jay, whatdo you see yourself when it
(19:30):
comes to being attracted to awoman?
Because you may have some of ofyour mom's traits and some of
your mom's you know, some ofyour mom's gestures, or
something like that have youexperienced?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, yeah, that's, that's a good one.
One hundred percent.
I can definitely say onehundred percent, like 100
percent.
I find myself, when I, when Imeet a woman and she's, you know
, intelligent, has a really good, good sense of humor, you know
what I'm saying Can, can hold aconversation that we, that we
(20:02):
could get really engaged.
And you know, my mom, my mom islike a movie buff and I
remember just always asking herabout just whatever and she
didn't always have the answers,but she did have a lot of the
answers, like you know, it waskind of like a little trivia
thing for us.
So, yeah, definitely.
(20:22):
And you mentioned skin tone.
Yeah, I do, I'm not going tolie, I didn't really think about
it until now, but I'm sure thatit probably is a direct
influence of my mother.
But you know also, just, youknow a woman that's really calm,
down to earth, not reallytemperamental like that.
(20:43):
My mom was really chill, youknow it was.
She was only passionate when,when she was, you know,
disciplined about something, butotherwise it was just, it was
real chill.
So I definitely lean towardsthe women that are more like
that, for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, that's really cool.
You know, for me my mom has setthe bar extremely high.
My mom has set the barextremely high.
So it would be or it is andtypically is extremely difficult
to do a, you know, a side byside comparison.
I wouldn't want to do that, butmoms have set the bar so high.
(21:25):
When it comes to when I think ofyou know what a wife should be,
what a wife should be doing,you know, number one she's super
old fashioned and traditional,so that's that's hard to find
nowadays.
You know she was, she was theCEO or the COO, chief operating
officer of the household, and mydad, you know, went out there
(21:48):
and made things happen.
She made sure that thehousehold was in tip top shape,
man, and and she made it lookeasy, you know, with four kids
at the house and you know wedidn't have a whole lot of
resources but as, as kids man,we would have never known you
know what we did not really haveaccess to because you know moms
(22:11):
made it happen.
You know dad, dad was Navy, soyou know he's gone six months at
a time, eight months, fourmonths a year, overseas, that
type of thing.
So mom really, really literallyheld things up.
I don't even say held thingsdown, held things down.
(22:34):
She held things up and, um, sheset the bar so high.
You know cook meals, uh, youknow combing everybody's hair
and braiding, but you know allthat stuff, yeah, everybody's
good to go.
And then, you know, coming homeand just making sure now now
don't get me wrong she, uh, shehad a shot.
Uh, I ran a really tight shipbecause you, you know, we had to
clean up, we had to make surethat the outside was good, the
inside, but, but just being, youknow, super resilient, you know
(23:00):
we never saw her break down.
So you know she was, she wasvery intentional about how she
expressed herself, she waspassionate at times, but also,
you know, she really kept aneven keel.
So we, we never knew it takes alot to be able to do that.
So, I know, I know women in2025, they don't want to do it.
(23:22):
I'm not saying that they can't,but they don't want to do that.
Right, they want mimosas, theywant a trip to Aruba, bahamas,
dubai, like you know, they likeF them kids, right, ain't that
the motto nowadays?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
That's it.
It's a whole meme now.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
It's a whole meme now .
So, yeah, mom, mom, she'sdefinitely one on one.
But she also always gave somesolid advice when asked.
She never preached to us, youknow, if we asked her a question
, she would answer it and itwould be in in a way that it's
(24:02):
just some friendly perspective.
It wasn't even advice becauseyou could take it or leave it,
but she would give, you know,examples of things like that.
And she's like, hey, look at itthis way, and I would say one
of the best things that she hadtaught me when it came to
relationships.
She said Robbie, she called meRobbie, she's like Robbie.
(24:27):
One thing I want you to knowabout relationships you never
want to get, you never want toopen up a new door, to close the
door behind you.
And when she said that I waslike man, whatever man, do what
I want to do, I can handle it.
And sure enough, you know thatthat whole scenario came about
and I did not make the best ofdecisions, but I can't say that
(24:48):
I wasn't worn Right, and so it'sa lifelong lesson and I always
think about it now.
You know it's, it's superpowerful now and always think
about it now.
But you know, just thankful for.
You know her wisdom, you knowmoms is 83,.
You know mother's day and acouple of days 83 man holding
(25:10):
things together right.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
It's beautiful.
That's beautiful pops.
Yeah, yeah, we love our moms,man.
If y'all can't tell we love ourmothers, we're not trading for
the world, nah.
So, speaking of that, with itbeing Mother's Day and we
(25:32):
appreciating the mothers, whatare some ways?
Let's give them some ways that,um, that they could.
You know what I'm saying forthe listeners, for the sons and
the fathers out there listening.
I think you know.
Well, I don't know about youpops, but I've never been the
best at at gifts.
You know what I mean.
I was always like a, a giftcard type of person.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah, yeah, you know.
So I'm going to be a littleFrank here, even though my name
is Rob.
You know, when it comes tothese particular holidays and
stuff like that, I'm going to behonest with you.
I don't really push them superheavy because I know that it's
all about.
You know the economics here inthe US.
(26:19):
You know you got folks spendingmoney that they don't have,
racking up the credit card bills, and you know we financial
literacy advocates.
You know it's definitely notabout you know what expensive,
how expensive and that type ofthing.
Definitely not about you knowwhat expensive, how expensive
(26:40):
and that type of thing.
And then competing you knowyou're competing with your
siblings, you're competing withyour dad or whatever the case is
, to trying to get a better giftthan them and see if you can
shift mom's love, all this crazystuff.
So you know, I think that someof the most simple things will
mean a lot, and I would say thatyou know, just spending some
(27:02):
time.
If your mom is near you, if sheis proximal, if she's local, go
spend some time with her,because it doesn't matter how
expensive that gift is.
She would trade that gift infor some time, right, every
single time, and you know that'ssomething that is invaluable.
You can't really put a pricetag on time.
(27:24):
You know you could buy amillion dollar house, but if you
don't spend any time with yourmom and then she's going to be
lonely up in it Right, what goodis it?
So I would say time will be thefirst thing that I think will
be important.
And, to be honest, man, I thinkmemorabilia like if you have a
(27:45):
picture, if you could put apicture in a frame, I think that
that's one of the greatestthings you can do.
Or if you have a family picture, or you, the kids and mom, or
whatever the case is, you know,create a canvas out of it.
You know that you can put, youknow, at the house, get a
painting of it, a paintedversion of a picture.
(28:08):
I think things like that willhelp because it'll it'll bring,
it'll bring back some of thebest memories that you had,
whether it's childhood orwhether it's adolescence or
whether it's adulthood, but it'sa constant reminder that we
have good memories and we haveamazing times with our mom.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, I'll add to it, I think, another good thing.
I remember one time my mom, andwhen she asked me this question
, I didn't, I didn't reallyunderstand it, but she was like
it was random too.
One day she came to me and shewas like you know, javen, was I
a good mom to you?
Yeah yeah, man.
(28:48):
So I think that the best, oneof the best things that that I
could do or that we could do isjust giving our mothers that
acknowledgement, just having areal conversation and just
having that moment where youjust look in her eyes and be
like everything you did for me,I appreciate everything, I love
(29:13):
you for everything, you know.
I think our mothers need that,that reassurance, because
sometimes they can be, you know,they can be critical and make
on themselves, I mean, and maybewe don't see it, but, um, just
kind of giving them that youknow, mom, you, I know you did
everything that you could.
I love you for it and you knowI'm, I'm the man I am today
(29:35):
because of the hard work thatyou put in and the way you
raised me and the love that yougave me.
You know, just just themhearing that I feel like it
could be a real, a real specialmoment.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
You know, come on, that's even sparking an idea.
I would challenge everybody towrite a letter to their mom.
I would challenge everybody towrite a letter their mom.
I would challenge everybody towrite a letter, whether it's one
page.
Now, don't give her a 12-pageletter, man, and send me a
letter.
It's like a Leah.
Don't do that, you know,because she don't want to read
all that.
But you know something that shecan put on her mirror or
(30:10):
something she can, you know, puton the wall.
She might even want to frame it.
But a handwritten letter, holdon, let me say that, let me try
it again A legible, handwrittenletter, you know, to your mom's,
just letting her know how muchyou appreciate her.
Maybe drop a few memories inthere that stood out the most
(30:31):
and some milestones, and reallyjust letting her know that you
love her, that you're proud ofher, that she did a great job,
because you know, moms canalways use reassurance, man,
they're their toughest critics.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
So they can always use some reassurance.
I think that'll be prettypowerful.
And let me just add this whilewe're at it, because I want to
be straight up I think that youknow, services would really be
more appreciated than thanproducts, and what I mean by
(31:06):
that is, you know, if you don'talready.
You know, get her hair done,get you know the pedicure,
manicure, if she wants somepolish, and all that.
You that, keep all the diamondsand stuff off the fingernails
like y'all do.
Okay, mom want to keep it simpleand sassy, right, just
(31:26):
something like that that shewould appreciate If she's
comfortable with a massage or aspa day.
Man, I think that that'ssomething that in their day
because, you know, a lot ofmothers are older, a lot of
mothers are more seasoned, butthey work so hard and they did
so many things to where theydidn't really have time to
pamper themselves.
(31:47):
And so you know, instead ofgiving her a really really nice,
expensive watch, that rightthere could be a whole spa day,
you know, and she would reallyappreciate that, because the
watch, if she loses the watch,she ain't even going to tell you
she's just going to you're justgoing to have to ask her in a
couple of years mom, where'sthat watch that I bought you?
She's going to go, oh, baby.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
It's in the drawer.
It's in the drawer somewhereright.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Never saw it, or your daddy.
He lost it.
Blame it on him.
I told him that I needed to getit sized down and then I could
see it again.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Never seen again, man .
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Never, ever so, man, I think that something like that
, something so simple, and youcan't really take that cash gift
for granted.
Man, moms like that cash, stopplaying.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Oh yeah, hey, cash is always accepted.
She'll make it do what it do.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, then she can do what she want.
But one thing you got to tellyour mom, though you got to give
them cash, you got to give themstipulations.
Jay, come here, look, don't putthis on a bill, don't pay your
insurance on this.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Right, right, right, this is for you, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Something you've been looking at, something that you
want, something that's sittingin your cart right now.
You know, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Oh yeah.
I know they got those Amazoncards.
There's something in thereright now.
Something is in there waitingto be purchased.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Indeed, man Indeed.
So you know, we definitely wantto acknowledge again all the
mothers and all the motherfigures.
God bless those out there whosemother is is not here on Earth
but still, you know, in theheavenly presence.
And so we know that you knowmothers that stepped in which is
(33:45):
called stepmothers.
We know mother figures and sothat might be the grandma or the
auntie or big sister stepped into be that mother figure.
So we want to give you yourflowers as well and show your
appreciation and wish you anamazing Mother's Day celebration
.
I won't even say a happyMother's Day, I'll just say a
(34:07):
Mother's Day celebration,because every day our moms
should be celebrated.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah, I couldn't have said it better myself.
Pops yeah, couldn't have saidit better myself okay, well,
look, that's.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
That's a wrap for us.
Uh, remember check us out.
If you have any questions,comments, check us out on our
website.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Uh, what's the website again, jay oh, you
already know, but I gotta letthem know.
Know iswwwpopsandsunconversationscom.
That's your one stop shop forall things Pops and Sun
Conversations.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
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Sun Conversations Patreon.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
So check out the website, get tapped in.
We got the free trial so youcan see what we have going on.
And, man, we'll see you nextepisode and we'll see you on the
Patreon having a good fun.
And so we want to welcome youto the community.
Welcome you to the community.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, yeah, and welcome to the Patreon community
.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah, and we'll see you guys next episode.
Popsun Conversations and we outwe out.
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