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Recognize that safety is a journey. It's not a thing that you can accomplish
and be done. It's a journey in every day.
It's taking a look at all the things that you've done and keep going.
You know, you're on that journey. You can't just stop and take a break and you
really have to keep going. Take a look at your resources.
You probably already have great resources in place.
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The BWC, definitely a great place to check out or put a shameless plug in for
our safety council. So there's always great resources at the Safety Council.
Come and ask a question. And there's there's a ton of people willing to to share
their stories and how they fix those things.
Welcome to the Portage County Safety Council podcast. We hope you enjoy today's safety talk.
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Hi, it's Mike with the Portage County Safety Council. I'm here with Renee Onesti
from Ken Alasimer Products. Renee, welcome back to the podcast.
Hey, thanks for having me back. So Renee, you're speaking on a panel next week
for our monthly safety luncheon entitled Safety Success Stories and Strategies.
We're going to teach people how to win and level up in safety.
So we're excited about having you on there with that panel.
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And you've had a great sustainable program at Ken Elastomer Products.
And we want to like just pick your brain and learn what does it take to really
have a sustainable safety program throughout the years.
But before we get into that, for people that may not be familiar with you,
can you go ahead and tell our listeners a little bit about yourself and what
you do at Ken Elastomer Products?
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Yeah, I have about 25 years in the manufacturing industry, and I'm so passionate
about manufacturing. I love it.
All the things that we can make right here in the United States, it's pretty amazing.
So I love being part of manufacturing, and here at Ken Elastomer,
we're in the medical industry.
And I started here in the engineering department and in charge of maintenance
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and really had a passion for safety.
We did a lot of work when I first started in 2007, which is 17 years ago. It's hard to believe.
I'm glad you said that Renee, because this is awesome. Usually when we start
with safety, we see the fail videos on LinkedIn or something,
or, you know, the people that fly off a ladder, we see all the safety fails
and we say, oh my gosh, it's so terrible to like work there.
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And those cases do exist out there, but there are a lot of manufacturing facilities
or construction sites that do safety well.
But there's a cost to that. There's challenges that we face.
Once we have a safety program in place, things change, things happen to the
business, people change.
There's all kinds of changes that bring up these challenges, aren't there?
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And so in order to sustain and maintain a good, effective safety program,
we have to face some things and there's some small details that could affect
that program and how well it's maintained.
So what are some challenges that you faced over at Kent that you said,
hey, as we went on, we had a great safety program, but these like little foxes
that spoil the vine, so so to speak, kind of pop up and we realize,
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oh man, we have to really take a look at this and make sure we keep our eyes on it.
You know, it's not always the big things that are super obvious.
It's a lot of little things. You know, we've had a couple of things recently,
just as an example, an employee not wearing a cut glove while they're using
scissors, our tubing and latex, so it's real stretchy and springy and it's hard to cut.
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And we have great cut glove protection protection and we've
had that for a very long time but when we're not
keeping our eye on those little things even we a
great company can can have those kind of uh oh moments
that you hope never end up on youtube right so renee one thing that happens
is over time you know we like to you know i'm a systematic type of guy i like
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to set a template up and i don't like to do much with it once i get a system
going but we have to take a look at those sometimes right because sometimes
Sometimes the laws change,
the products that we use change, the chemicals change in them.
And so some of our information becomes outdated.
So what type of challenges have you seen that you're going to talk about next
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week about outdated documents and things like that?
Say, hey, no, this worked for a while, but we haven't taken a look at that.
We need to make sure we're updating and keeping our eyes on these things. Yeah, absolutely.
Documents are one of the things that you're right. We put them in place and
we do all this work to set all of our big procedures and policies in place, especially for safety.
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And then maybe we don't go back and review those very often.
And time flies so fast. So all of a sudden, we're going back and reviewing policies
that haven't been changed in 10, 15, sometimes 20 years.
And our buildings have changed. All of our processes, things have changed.
And the documents just don't reflect them. Even though our safety practices
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are pretty good, sometimes those documents don't always reflect exactly the
most recent things happening in our building.
Even when we have good intentions of updating all those documents every time
we make a change, it doesn't always happen all at once.
You know, it's so funny. I see this in products all the time.
I just thought of this example. I just bought a brand new grill.
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I bought a Napoleon brand.
It's the most expensive grill I've bought yet.
So I'm looking at it. But even in the more expensive brands that you think has
a little more quality, I open up the manual and it has all the series, but it's not my grill.
It's got a picture of a side burner, which my grill does not have.
It may be a liner series, and it can kind of give you some of the information.
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But some of the information I was looking for wasn't in there because it was
just a generic for that series and not my particular grill.
And so I'm just sitting there going, this thing's almost useless to me.
And it's, it's, it's, yes, it's the similar girl, but it's not exactly this.
Is that kind of a good way of explaining what you're talking about?
These outdated documents? Yeah, that's a great example, actually.
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You know, and that other girl that was in the documents could have just been just a few months old.
You know what I mean? That's, it's not even that it's like super outdated.
It's just not completely accurate. So, yeah.
Now, what else have you seen? What are some other challenges?
Along with the documents, job descriptions. COVID happened and a lot of things
changed for a lot of companies.
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People started doing jobs differently. Our reduced labor, you know,
it's hard to find a lot of labor right now.
So people are doing things differently than they were before COVID.
And we just started taking a look at some of our job descriptions.
We actually had Kelly Ott from the BWC come in and do some push-pull testing
to make sure that our employees aren't overextended and that they're not lifting
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or pulling too much weight.
And we had to make some changes on some pieces of equipment that got gotten
a little heavier than what we thought they should be.
So those job descriptions are another thing that we've noticed have really changed
in the last, I don't know, even just a couple of years.
Yeah, in business, it's not only just the way we do things, it's what we do, right?
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So sometimes we have product changes, maybe a market starts to fade out,
and then we strategically start to enter different niches or markets or whatever,
create different products.
So that may be a modification of equipment.
How does that affect safety? Yeah. So, again, in the last couple of years,
we've noticed and we've really had a challenge taking a look at how equipment has changed.
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A lot of us put guards in place and drilled holes for those big laxand guards
to keep employees away from each other.
And then when we remove those, we're glad we got to remove most of them.
You know, there's still holes in equipment, maybe where those were left.
Just things, little changes. We moved things in different locations to separate employees.
And now we're starting to move things back. All of those changes with equipment
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and processes, whether it was a change because of the production change or a
COVID change, processes are changing.
And we're having to go back through and update hazard assessments,
you know, where you look at that process and you see, you know,
you watch the person do the job.
By updating those, we're going to have to start going back through all of them.
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And that's kind of a big task. If anybody's gone through doing updates for those
things, it's a big deal and takes a lot of time and all of that just because,
you know, equipment moved a few feet and now we're putting it back.
Yeah. One thing is I hear every employer talk about is the great labor shortage.
So with that, people are paying a little more than they used to because inflation
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and different for things.
And it's tempting for people to jump ship high quality employees to jump ship
and try to make a few bucks more an hour here or there.
And that causes an issue there, doesn't it? Like with the turnover,
like you have this person trained, you've trained them for five years,
let's say, and then all of a sudden he jumped ship to another company or finds
another job. And then you have to start over.
And sometimes it's with the younger worker that may not be as experienced or
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have the same amount of education.
That we're getting or who we had before. So what kind of challenges do you face because of turnover?
Our culture in the late 2000s was fantastic with safety.
Everybody'd been through so much training and we were getting to the point where
our employees were giving the safety training.
They, you know, they were into it and bought in and we had a great like band
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of knowledge with our employees.
And as turnovers happened, you know, we might do training, but it's, it's not quite the same.
And now that the employees might be doing it, it's maybe not as detailed.
Or, you know, during COVID, we had a person in a room, we'd record the training,
we'd stick them in a room by themselves and say, here, watch that training.
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And, you know, if you have questions asked, and they certainly didn't get the
kind of enthusiasm and understanding of a live in-person training.
So with the culture change, we started finding these little things,
You know, like I mentioned some issues with PPE and just how we do things around here,
putting equipment back in the same place and making sure doors are always clear.
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Like those were things we never worried about a few years ago.
And now there are things that we're going back through and having to do some
retraining and working on building that culture up again.
I think this is amazing because we talk always the big strategy that's going
to turn everything around. But we don't talk much about the small stuff that
just maintains that effective safety culture.
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So I love that we're having this conversation because I think it's going to make people think.
I think each thing we talked about, whether it's documents, job descriptions,
turnover, modifications, you're going to be like, wow, yeah.
And we're going to be able to relate how that affected our plant.
So with that being said, I think the biggest thing out of this podcast today
that I'm getting out of it is you're never out of the woods with safety.
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Like you have a great program but you
gotta you know the old covey principle sharpen the saw you have to continually
sharpen the saw maintain it and keep that thing going especially when new people
come i say it all the time when you're dealing with people it's less about the
brick and mortar building but it becomes more like a plant you're gardening
and you sometimes you water but sometimes you get water too much and the leaves
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are going to turn yellow sometimes you have to,
fertilize the soil. You have to weed the environment out so it doesn't choke
out the plant and the fruit you're trying to get out of it.
So with people, it's organic, but it comes a little more complicated than just
zeros and ones and yes and no's and step one, two, three.
And so yes, the procedures are step one, two, three, but with people,
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you kind of got to massage it, plant it, water it, kind of give it some more
sunlight, kind of lead it and continually rework that thing.
And so if someone's listening to you, you're like, man, I'm connected to what Renee's saying?
I've dealt with this. We've done pretty good. We're hitting a minimum. We're compliant.
I've heard someone say today, we're compliant, but it's not where we could be.
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So what's one thing if a safety manager or a CEO is out there in the Portage
County area, they're listening to this.
What's one thing that you'd say if you're going to start with one thing, what would it be?
Recognize that safety is a journey. It's not a thing that you can accomplish
and be done. It's It's a journey in every day.
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It's taking a look at all the things that you've done and keep going.
You know, you're on that journey. You can't just stop and take a break.
And you really have to keep going. Take a look at your resources.
You probably already have great resources in place.
The BWC, definitely a great place to check out. Put a shameless plug in for our safety council.
There's always great resources at the safety council. Come and ask a question.
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And there's a ton of people willing to share their stories and how they fix those things.
Get back to the basics. Now, part of that journey is you continually go through
the basic things more than you think you need to.
You think that you can cover the basics once and be done with it.
Keep refreshing training and train all those new people, new employees with
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as much enthusiasm as you did 17 years ago when you started.
There needs to be that enthusiasm.
And maybe just remember we're all on this journey together. So feel free to
ask other people at the safety council.
There's people, your neighbors, probably the people that you are friends with
that work in different industries. They're probably going through something similar.
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So keep talking to people and make it not horrible to have a concern about safety.
We all do. That's incredible that you mentioned that Renee, because when it
comes to business, a lot of times we're so worried about corporate espionage
that we, we like, we can't talk about anything going inside the plant, like outside of that.
I can get that to some degree, but it's one thing I love about the safety council
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is the little family of network that we built there.
With, you know, you and Matt Muller of Delta Systems, both speakers on the panel,
always encourage and bounce stuff off one another and like free consulting.
Hey, we've dealt with this here and this is how we dealt with it.
And there's no weird competition about it.
There's nothing, no fear of getting in trouble or exposing what's really going
on. It's just like, hey, we dealt with that issue.
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Here's how we overcame it. But there's an exchange of information that makes
every company that does that better. And so thank you very much.
And I know it's a cheap plugged for the safety council, but you can join and
you may qualify for a 3% rebate.
I'm just saying if you're out there and it's too late for this year,
but next year you could do it for a hundred bucks a year. It's a pretty solid deal.
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So thank you so much, Renee, for jumping on here.
I appreciate all your insight. And by the way, we didn't say this in the very
beginning, Renee is our first ever 2024 Portage County safety council workplace safety champion.
And if you look at the episode profile, you're going to see her in her championship belt.
Renee, again, thank you so much. If you're listening out there today and you
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couldn't make our September luncheon, I know this is going to go on LinkedIn and some other places.
Man, check out some stuff on our podcast from Renee. She's always loaded full of information.
And friend her on LinkedIn. That's a good place to connect with Renee.
So thank you, Renee, again, and everybody out there listening.
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