March 27, 2025 • 38 mins
Welcome to another cluckin’ awesome episode of the Poultry Nerds Podcast! 🐣
In this fun, info-packed session, hosts Carrie and Jennifer break down essential poultry terminology every chicken keeper, breeder, and backyard enthusiast should know. Whether you're raising Coturnix quail, managing laying hens, or wondering what the heck a "pullet" really is—this episode is for you!
✅ Learn the difference between a chick, pullet, and hen
✅ What does "straight run" REALLY mean?
✅ When to use grit vs oyster shell
✅ Why calling birds “born” might ruffle feathers
✅ And why chicken wire won’t save your flock from raccoons!
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Carey (00:01):
Welcome poultry enthusiast to another exciting
episode of the Poultry NerdsPodcast.
Jennifer (00:08):
Whether you're raising backyard chickens, diving deep
into the science of avianhealth, or just obsessed with
all thing feathers and eggs,your in the right place.
Carey (00:19):
I'm Carey.
Jennifer (00:20):
I'm Jennifer.
We're your hosts.
Your
Carey (00:22):
hosts,
Jennifer (00:24):
and today.
Today, go for it.
Carey (00:27):
We've got an episode packed with everything you need
to know to define all the terms,what the, what is it called?
Jennifer (00:36):
From expert tips to fascinating facts.
We're here to help you becomethe ultimate poultry pro.
It's time to get nerdy aboutpoultry.
Okay, so just for context, wehave been sitting here talking
for 15 minutes and forgot to hitrecord, so that is why we're
laughing and a little out ofsync.
Carey (00:54):
That's alright.
Jennifer (00:56):
So it occurred to a me the other night that a lot of
people don't know what some ofthese common terms.
Are what we're talking about.
So we thought we'd explain themall.
Carey (01:12):
And that is the thing because especially when you're
in some of the poultry groups,people and like they're in the
south, we just say, bless herheart.
Jennifer (01:25):
So terminology is super important.
Yeah.
'cause you can't say you have ahen in a brooder.
That's not the rightterminology.
So if you're asking for, yeah,because
Carey (01:37):
then you would be like roasting a chicken
Jennifer (01:41):
or
Carey (01:42):
poaching eggs or what, whatever.
Jennifer (01:46):
So when you need help or you're filling out show forms
or.
Talking to a breeder, using theright terminology is important.
So you don't tell somebody thatyou're doing something and
you're using the wrong words.
Did I say that right?
Carey (02:07):
Yeah, because it like people do it.
So yeah.
Today we figured we'll explain.
What is meant when someone saysa chick?
We're not talking about the girlin the bikini at the beach.
That is actually, we're talkingabout what actually should be in
(02:30):
the brooder, the we, the weedlittle chick, the young.
Let's see.
I would consider anything up towhat, four weeks, five weeks, at
least as a chick.
Yeah.
Jennifer (02:45):
Accessable.
Carey (02:46):
Yeah.
Before their sex.
You can, until you can figureout what they are, and that
would be breed specific becausesome of them it would be closer
to maybe six or eight weeks.
cause like on a Pharaoh quail,you would consider that a chick
for like week three.
But an orpington, I don't knowhow long would you consider that
(03:10):
a check?
Jennifer (03:13):
Probably six to eight weeks.
Carey (03:15):
Yeah,
Jennifer (03:15):
but there's no, you could still call'em, even if
they were sensible, you couldstill call'em a pull or a
cockrell.
Carey (03:23):
Yeah, because that covers anything under a year old is
what I've always, if it's undera year old, then it's safe to
call it a pull or a cockrell orwhatever.
Jennifer (03:34):
All right, you're getting ahead on our outline.
So chick would be chicken orquail.
Carey (03:41):
Yep.
That it, babies.
That's
Jennifer (03:42):
it.
Right?
Carey (03:43):
That's them babies.
And a
Jennifer (03:44):
duckling.
Duckling.
That's pretty obvious.
That's a duck.
A pul is for a Turkey, a babyTurkey.
It's not a check.
It's a polt.
P-O-U-L-T.
And then gosling.
That's a goose.
Carey (04:01):
Yeah.
Jennifer (04:02):
And here's the biggest pet peeve for me.
Birds are hatched.
They're not born.
They're hatched.
Carey (04:11):
Okay?
Yeah,
Jennifer (04:13):
Yeah.
Okay.
Now
Carey (04:16):
that's when you see a lot too.
Jennifer (04:18):
You do a lot
Carey (04:20):
and I'm just like, I love you, but they're hatched.
Jennifer (04:26):
Okay, so now we're on to the pull ro conversation.
So a pull would be a youngfemale.
Carey (04:32):
Yep.
Jennifer (04:34):
And we're talking about chickens.
Quail.
Yeah, maybe quail.
And that's it.
So like to me,
Carey (04:45):
I don't think a quail really hits the pull stage.
'cause them suckers, they gofrom.
Like checks to lay in eggs.
Maybe a Bob White are one of theones that take longer to mature,
but yeah.
Jennifer (04:58):
So just a female.
Carey (05:00):
Yeah, that would just be a hand.
'cause yeah, they're quick.
Jennifer (05:04):
Yeah.
Okay.
So if you're filling out a showcard, a pull, it would be one
that's under a year old.
Carey (05:12):
Yep.
Jennifer (05:12):
And if you are just talking slang out in the yard, a
pull, it would be one thathasn't laid eggs yet,
Carey (05:20):
which, when you say hasn't laid eggs yet, a lot of
times by the time they're six toeight months old, they've laid
an egg.
But there's still a pull, not ahand, because they're not over a
year old.
So it's like, what do you, Idon't know that can be
confusing.
That's why
Jennifer (05:37):
I said backyard.
That's why I said backyard.
Carey (05:39):
Yep, backyard.
Jennifer (05:41):
Okay.
So a cock role would be a youngmale,
Carey (05:45):
right?
Jennifer (05:46):
And if you're doing a show card, it's denoted by the
letter K, and it's one that'sunder a year old,
Carey (05:53):
right?
Jennifer (05:55):
A cock is a rooster.
Over a year old male, whateveryou wanna call.
Totally mature.
Chicken.
Chicken quail.
Ready to go?
Yep.
Carey (06:07):
Looking for love in all the places.
Jennifer (06:10):
Hen that's gonna be a female over a year and that is
gonna include your chicken, yourquail, your Turkey, your duck.
Carey (06:21):
That's, yeah.
And see that's one of the thingsthat's confusing to me, and I
can understand how people can beconfused.
'cause it's okay, you've got ahen and you've got a duck.
But the males are called Drakes,not roosters.
I can understand why with ducksand geese, people could get
confused because the terminologyis not as common.
Jennifer (06:44):
So that's why we're here.
I forgot to add to the list isJake and Tom.
Carey (06:51):
Oh yeah.
Jennifer (06:51):
Jake is, yeah.
Jake is a young Turkey male.
And a Tom is a mature Yep.
Turkey.
So Drake would be a duck male.
Carey (07:05):
And a
Jennifer (07:06):
gander would be a male goose, right?
Carey (07:10):
Yeah.
Jennifer (07:12):
Alright, next category.
That's,
Carey (07:13):
you hear the word gander in some old nursery rhymes too.
Jennifer (07:17):
Alright, my next category on my little list we've
got going here.
Okay, so sexed birds are theopposite of straight run.
So straight run, which shouldbe, they're just mixed up.
Carey (07:33):
That should be a thing.
But I see so many peoplecomplaining, oh, I ordered
straight run birds, and I gotall roosters except for two.
I'm like, that's straight run.
Unfortunately, that is what in alot of situations, how the luck
usually works and what comes outof.
(07:55):
The hatcher seems especiallywhen you need a lot of hens,
you're gonna get a lot ofroosters.
That's one of the reasons whyautos sex is a thing.
And sex link.
Jennifer (08:08):
So sex birds would be just that we can tell male from
female.
You can vent sex.
Quail vent sexing, they have tobe sexually mature.
If you're trying to do chickenchicks or ducks or turkeys, in
all likelihood, you cannot.
Those are trained professionalsthat meant sex at the
(08:30):
hatcheries.
So you can damage a bird.
Please don't try, just let it begender reveal in six to eight
weeks.
Carey (08:41):
Yeah, that, because that.
I've watched a lot of YouTubevideos to try to figure that out
and once you see it, but it'slike a very fine line as to how
much you squeeze the bird beingtoo much.
And if those insides pop out,you now have a call.
(09:04):
Even if you didn't want it, justleave them alone.
Yeah, leave them alone.
Let it be the surprise.
Like a box of chocolates.
Jennifer (09:11):
Sex linked.
That just means that the geneticmanipulated, usually color
genetics are manipulated in sucha way that they're sex able at
Hatch.
And we did a podcast about that.
Probably.
March of 25, I would say maybeFebruary 25.
We did a podcast about that.
It was March.
Carey (09:32):
March the 13th was Hannah Rooster.
How To Tell The Difference.
Jennifer (09:37):
Yeah, but we did one with Gina, sex Linked and Auto.
Oh
Carey (09:41):
yeah, sex Linked with Gina.
That was, yeah, that wasFebruary the 20th.
Jennifer (09:47):
Yep.
Okay, so next up on mycategories here we have litter.
Litter is like used beddingessentially at the bottom of the
coop, right?
Carey (10:00):
That's not what a cat has.
We're talking about farmanimals.
Jennifer (10:05):
Farm animals.
I guess it could be freshlitter.
Bedding is more like you beddedthe nest boxes or you bedded the
brooders or
Carey (10:16):
what kind of bedding do you use?
Do you use straw or what do youput in your I use
Jennifer (10:21):
dirt.
I dirt in your boxes.
What a concept.
Carey (10:25):
Look, some people try to overthink their nest boxes and
get extremely fancy with'em, andwhat I have found for a lot of
birds, regardless of the size,that a 12 to 14 inch opening
sitting on the ground, much likethe size of a milk crate.
(10:51):
With something soft in thebottom, they will lay eggs,
whether it is a game bird, alarge foul, or a Turkey.
Jennifer (11:02):
My Turkey lay all over the place.
I have to go Easter egg huntingin the runs.
Carey (11:07):
So in the coop that I have mine in, they all, I've got
four hens in there.
They're all very particular toone corner and I just put a milk
crate right there with some peamoss and people are like, that's
(11:30):
too big for a Turkey.
Or not big enough for a Turkey.
But Frank Reese said himself, heuses 12 inch by 12 inch box with
an open top sitting on theground.
And that's what all of his layin.
Jennifer (11:46):
So I have tried everything.
I've had turkeys for years and Ihave tried everything and mine
just want to lay on the ground.
They're like my ducks.
So when I'm driving across thefield in the Gator, we play hit
the duck egg because they'reliterally just everywhere and
you don't know how old they are.
And that's why I have to pin myducks up this time of year.
(12:09):
To get the eggs.
So you
Carey (12:10):
had some
Jennifer (12:11):
Yes, I had some because the ones you the, when
the grandkids come over andthey're like, bring me these
duck ache.
I'm like, where'd you get that?
Was it in the pen or out of thepen?
It was out of the pen.
Grandma.
Okay.
Be very careful with it.
It could, could've been theresince last,
Carey (12:27):
when you throw that, be very careful.
Because that is like Easter egghunting nightmares all over
again.
Jennifer (12:38):
They near over the weekend and I'm throwing them in
the pond.
Carey (12:42):
Yeah, because how many times, and this happened to me
as a kid, we have Easter bowl,eggs, all that good stuff.
I was cutting grass, so picturethat like a month or so later,
I.
And I found an egg that wasrough, really rough.
Like I stopped right where Iwas.
(13:04):
I was struggling.
It was tough.
So try to get your birds to layin some area.
Yeah.
Jennifer (13:14):
Yep.
Yeah.
Carey (13:15):
Grit.
Grit.
That's a term, huh?
Roost.
Oh yeah.
Roost.
Roost a roost.
I use two by fours.
That's anything from a reallybig tree limb to a two by four
or a two by six, depending onhow big the birds are.
(13:37):
Turkey's two by sixes.
Like in one of my pens, Ithought I was gonna be creative
and be like, do something reallycool to make it.
Like the reel.
So I got some small trees that Icut down and I was using those
for roofs and now I make sawhorses.
(14:00):
Yep.
Different sizes.
I've got some saw horses thatare foot tall.
I have some that are foot and ahalf and I have one set that's
six feet tall'cause game birds.
Would fly 30 feet up in the airif you had their thing tall
enough, they would love it.
But like for my turkeys, I builta two of them put in there that
(14:26):
were like three feet wide andthey're two feet tall.
And it's great because at night.
When I need to go in there andcheck on'em and give them a good
feel down the Q bone and downtheir backbone and see how
things are going.
Getting time for breeding seasonand thinking in the back of my
mind, which one's gonna beThanksgiving?
(14:47):
When they're two feet off theground, you just go in there
and,'cause they're like atnight.
So
Jennifer (14:52):
they are, they worked.
They are.
Yeah, you never wanna put aTurkey roost over your head
because if you go in there andhave to get'em, you,
Carey (15:01):
you're not going to.
Jennifer (15:03):
Mine are four feet off the ground.
Yeah.
So I used the two before.
I also used two by eights forthe turkeys.
And my highest roost is theTurkey and it is four feet.
Everybody else is two feet offthe ground.
Yeah, you
Carey (15:18):
don't want'em to hurt yourself.
Getting off.
Jennifer (15:21):
Yep.
All right.
Now you can talk about grits.
You're like your favoritesubject.
Carey (15:25):
So grit.
That is rocks.
Lot of people want to say oystershell is grit because it's kind
of, it's hard, but it breaksgrits, rock.
Jennifer (15:44):
It is most now.
Now, somebody did text me nottoo long ago and ask me the
difference between oyster shelland granite grit, and I just
told them that oyster shell isgonna wear out faster.
Carey (15:58):
Yeah.
Because it's calcium and itdissolves.
And granite, it will in a fewthousand years.
Jennifer (16:08):
Yeah.
So if we pull up fossils ofturkeys, they'll have granite in
'em.
Carey (16:13):
Nah.
'cause back then they probablywasn't smart enough to give it
to'em to get their feeconversion ratio up by 20%.
Uhhuh chicken wire.
Chicken wire is a thing.
That's that octagonal stuff thatcomes with those$200 coops that
you buy off of Amazon.
That is really great for keepingyour chickens in, but it's not
(16:36):
great for keeping anything out.
Yeah.
It's not great for keepinganything out.
Jennifer (16:41):
Keeps contained,
Carey (16:43):
So contained if
Jennifer (16:45):
can get in,
Carey (16:47):
yeah.
If you live in suburbia and youhave a fenced in backyard, then
you're gonna be good with that.
But if you live anywhere outsideof that.
You're setting up a buffet.
Which comes to one of the otherthings that we have on here.
Hardware, cloth.
(17:07):
That's the stuff that's really,it's not really cloth.
Really stiff.
Yeah.
No.
That's the stuff that's reallystiff.
It is usually like 16, 18, 20gauge thick.
It is welded together.
I would highly suggest wearinggloves when you handle it,
(17:30):
because that crap will slice youwith a quickness.
Jennifer (17:35):
Yeah.
You'll almost always get one upunderneath your fingernail.
Carey (17:41):
Yes.
Right there for y'all that cansee that.
It like, I still have a blackspot on my finger in the middle,
that's a thing.
Way better than the chickenwire, but still it's not
predator proof, but it's likeputting forth some effort.
Jennifer (18:02):
And you can get it in different sizes.
You can get quarter inchsquares, half inch squares,
three quarter inch squares.
Carey (18:09):
I've even seen some half by one.
Yeah.
Half by one is really good ifyou're making a quail cage for
the bottom, but I woulddefinitely, I would not I can't
think of a reason why you woulduse the quarter inch other than
that's all you had access to.
Or maybe if it was lessexpensive.
(18:31):
No.
In some of my pens, some of mybreeding pens that I have are
dog kennels that were convertedand I have half by half this, 24
inches wide around the bottom.
Because chickens are dumb.
They'll stick their head out and
Jennifer (18:49):
what's out here that will take my head off.
Carey (18:51):
Chicken.
The chicken wire.
They can fit their head throughthat.
They can't.
The hardware cloth.
Jennifer (18:55):
And then you can get hardware cloth coated or non
coated.
Yeah, just be aware that noncoated will rust over time.
Yep.
It is not good for feet, soalways get coated hardware,
cloth if you're gonna put a birdon it, right?
But for just like the walls orthe top, uncoated is fine.
(19:18):
Save your money.
And then netting, oh, you lostsome wet
Carey (19:24):
netting.
You love it,
Jennifer (19:27):
So I have to tell you a story.
You ready?
Ready.
And I wish I could.
I found it and I haven't seen itin a while.
So I bought the cheap stuff offof Z right?
Back when I first built the runsand stuff, I bought the$20 pack
and it would get you like ahundred feet of netting.
(19:47):
Somebody had a lot, somebody hadactually written.
Somebody had written a reviewand I bought it just because of
the review.
It was so funny.
But she said, first of all,don't do netting with your
spouse and tie one corner to themirror of the car and another
(20:09):
corner to the neighbor's fenceand another corner to your
house.
And then it is still gonna bethe shape of a diamond and
you'll never get it up.
So just wad it up and throw itaway.
And don't ask your friends tohelp you either,'cause they'll
never come over again to helpyou.
(20:29):
All.
True statements.
I would never let David help mewith the netting and one of my
kids actually put it up.
Up and I went up there to checkon him to see if he needed my
help and he stopped and helooked at me.
He, now he is like 30, and helooks at me and he goes, I need
(20:50):
you to walk away.
Do not turn around.
Do not look at me again.
I just need you to walk away andI will let you know when I'm
done.
We get it all up and one sparrowflies into it, this big gaping
hole.
So do you not buy the$20 stuff?
Just save your$20.
Carey (21:12):
I was gonna say, one of the things when I said something
about building a large run outof the two by four wire, I don't
think I'm skipping overanything.
No.
Like the two by four wire yousaid don't get the cheap stuff
go straight to.
(21:34):
What is that company?
Jennifer (21:38):
It's rope knitting.
Don't get the nylon.
Carey (21:42):
Yeah.
What is a company that sellsthat?
Jennifer (21:45):
It's a couple of them.
I got mine from Pennon, butthere's, yeah, they're, but make
sure but get the kind that's
Carey (21:51):
like rope because the nylon stuff.
Yeah.
There, there might be divorcesthat have happened because of
that.
Jennifer (22:01):
Yes.
So hire a complete stranger fromthe corner to come help you put
it on.
Carey (22:06):
Yeah, there you go.
And pay'em when you finish.
'cause that's tough, but it'svery handy because it still lets
the sun in which they need and,but it will also keep hawks out.
Yeah.
Jennifer (22:24):
What about, and it's very heavy.
Carey (22:26):
What about feed?
Feed to me should beself-explanatory.
Start, there's a lot of
Jennifer (22:34):
confusion over the wording.
Kind
Carey (22:37):
of a starter.
Then you give'em a grower tomake'em grow.
You give'em a layer when theystart laying.
But what's a conditioner feedfor it?
People
Jennifer (22:47):
want ages.
People want ages.
They wanna know that.
Do you give them layer feed at16 weeks?
Carey (22:55):
No.
Jennifer (22:56):
No.
Carey (22:58):
I will say that if you, a lot of times if you look at a
feed tag, it should have asuggested age on it.
There you go.
Like layers 26 weeks and up
Jennifer (23:13):
layers, layer feeds for layers.
Carey (23:17):
I was gonna say you, if you give a chicken layer feed,
it will not start laying.
But when it starts laying, youprobably should give it layer
feed or like a developer feedwith what we mentioned earlier,
(23:38):
oyster shells.
Jennifer (23:39):
Shells.
Okay.
We're gonna not go.
We're gonna, I'm gonna let youdigress for one minute because
we need to dispel a myth.
Can the males, the roosters, theRos eat layer food?
Carey (23:55):
I hope so, because mine do,
Jennifer (23:59):
yes.
So do mine.
They haven't killed over yet.
Carey (24:04):
It a lot of calcium?
Yeah.
Is it gonna kill'em?
No.
The, because you're
Jennifer (24:12):
only feeding it to'em while they're laying the rest of
the time they're going off themills.
Carey (24:18):
Yeah.
On a developer or conditioner,not a starter because they're
beyond starter.
And if they're already mature,they're past the grower.
Yeah, kick'em with an off flocksomething go.
Yeah, do it.
Jennifer (24:36):
All right.
What else we got here?
Okay, next section ofterminology, brooders.
Carey (24:42):
That's where you put your hands.
Jennifer (24:45):
No, that's where you put the chicks.
Carey (24:50):
Yeah.
Okay.
Jennifer (24:51):
Or the ducklings or the pulse
Carey (24:55):
Or the goslings.
Or the goslings.
Jennifer (24:57):
I just like saying it.
I like that word too.
Carey (25:00):
It's fun.
Jennifer (25:02):
The grow up.
What
Carey (25:03):
about, yeah, so that's where your cock rolls and pulls
go.
Jennifer (25:09):
Sure.
Still protected, still, a littlebit confined, protected from the
elements if you're brooding inthe wintertime.
But not necessarily on heatanymore.
Carey (25:25):
Yeah, no.
And the coop that's where theylay eggs, that's where they go
to sleep.
That's where they roost.
Jennifer (25:34):
And everybody looks different.
Do they act
Carey (25:35):
in the run?
They don't do that in the run,do they?
They run around in the run.
Jennifer (25:41):
Sometimes mine lay eggs in the run.
Carey (25:43):
That is true.
But
Jennifer (25:46):
now runs are attached to the coops because you're not.
Carey (25:49):
Yep.
Jennifer (25:50):
Free ranging.
Carey (25:53):
That's another thing.
Free range.
Free range is when there's noreal fence.
Now I get to me, technically Iconsider if you've got one of
those net fencing thing aroundand you've got a bunch of
chickens and you're moving fromone section of pasture to
(26:14):
another, that's stilltechnically free ranging, but
free ranging is when you're outthere.
Because that net not stopping awhole lot.
Jennifer (26:28):
No.
So you wanna hear a funny story?
Yeah.
So our last house did not haveany fencing and so I told David
we needed to fence and he didn'twant to because we lived on a
sheet of rock.
And so we went out there and westretched fence tree to tree and
stapled it to the tree on theproperty line.
(26:48):
And the entire time is fussingup a storm.
I'm like, what is wrong withyou?
And and then we're talking, thiswas a two acre lot, so let's
just say we're fencing an acrehere.
And I'm like, what is wrong withyou?
Why have we got such attitudeabout putting this fence up?
And he goes, because we're, youwant a fence, birds, creatures
(27:13):
that have wings and can fly andyou think putting up a four foot
fence is gonna hold these birdsin.
The only thing that ever got outwas stupid guineas, which we
forgot.
Those are called Keats, by theway.
The babies are.
But stupid Guineas would go overand then stand right up against
the fence and scream bloodymurder because they couldn't
(27:35):
figure out how to get back.
Carey (27:37):
At least they knew where they were supposed to come back
to.
Jennifer (27:40):
Guinea are like boat.
You're gr they're great.
The day you buy them and thenthey're great.
The day you get rid of them,
Carey (27:46):
The two best times involve a transaction.
Yeah.
I like, I have a really badpredator problem and I thought
seriously about getting themjust for that.
But I can't I would probablywind up madder at them than the
(28:08):
raccoons that I get.
Jennifer (28:11):
So if I have another Guinea story, so a couple, three
years ago I sold a ton of Keats,like as fast as I could, hatch
'em, selling them.
And we have a lot of westernstate transplants here in
Tennessee and they didn't.
Like the ticks or the bugs intheir yard.
(28:33):
And they would go online to thefake book and they would be told
they need guineas.
And I know when somebody waspulling their leg, because they
would come here and they wouldhave five acres and they wanted
20 guineas, and they wereadamant that they needed 20
(28:54):
guineas.
So I would sell them 20.
But then sometimes people wouldcome and they'd be like how many
do you really think I need?
And I always say, I don't know.
Maybe start with five or six andgo from there.
And a hundred percent of thetime, the people who bought the
20 or 25 guineas from me wouldcall me a few months later and
(29:16):
go, Hey, do you need some ofthese back?
Carey (29:19):
For biosecurity reasons, I do not take any birds back
once they leave.
They stay gone.
I can connect you with a localresource that will help you
butcher it.
Jennifer (29:29):
The first rule of sales is if somebody is
committed to what they want.
You don't try to talk'em outtathis.
Carey (29:36):
Nope.
You don't.
Jennifer (29:38):
Nope.
You just let it go.
Okay oh, aviary, we forgotAviary.
That's just, yeah, that's
Carey (29:46):
like
Jennifer (29:47):
a big open
Carey (29:48):
area that they.
Can fly in.
Jennifer (29:51):
A lot of people keep their quail that way.
Carey (29:53):
Yep.
Brody, that is the usefulpurpose of a silky.
That is when, I don't think thatis when a hen.
Wants to sit on her eggs andhatch them,
Jennifer (30:16):
and you won't mistake her for just wanting to sit
there.
They somehow contort all thebones into their bodies to flat
pancakes and cover all of theeggs, and they hiss and bark and
bite at you if you try.
Yep.
Some of them bite pretty hard,
Carey (30:38):
but the Broy hen is Nature's Incubator.
Jennifer (30:43):
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
An incubator would be where youwant to put your eggs without a
broy hen in order to make himgrow into chicks.
Or keets.
Or slings.
Carey (30:58):
And where would you get those eggs?
Hopefully
Jennifer (31:02):
the nest box outta a
Carey (31:03):
nest box.
Jennifer (31:05):
A clean one.
Carey (31:07):
Yes.
One where
Jennifer (31:07):
they haven't been sleeping in it.
Carey (31:09):
So I have this game chicken hen, she's a hen and she
will, I kept noticing like shewould wait.
On her particular box to openup.
So I thought, Hey, that's apretty good, she wants to make
sure it goes in the box.
So I started putting her in penswith my grow outs, and they
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would see her going in and laytheir eggs and it worked because
all the ones, the hens that werein that grow out, it's like they
won't lay an egg unless they'reinside the nest box.
It's nice.
Jennifer (31:50):
No more dirty eggs, huh?
Alright.
And then the cu LEAs to removethe bird from the coop, from the
breeding program, from thebrooder, from the earth,
whatever you wanna call it.
It doesn't necessarily
Carey (32:08):
mean, a lot of people think, oh, if you're colon it,
you're.
Alive in it.
But that doesn't mean thatcalling, it is removing it from
your program period, regardlessof whether it's the crockpot
method, the person down the roadthat wants some chickens,
method, whatever method you gowith.
(32:32):
Yes.
All right.
What's a comb thought you'd runthrough your hair.
Jennifer (32:36):
Yeah, it's the big red thing on top of their heads.
I've seen a lot of people try todescribe it and didn't know what
the term was.
So the comb is on top of theirheads.
The waddles are on the bottom oftheir heads, underneath their,
Carey (32:52):
so the comb is like their hair and the waddles is like
their beard.
Jennifer (32:56):
Exactly.
The be is that Bill thing they
Carey (32:59):
eat with.
Jennifer (33:00):
And the Beal too.
But that would be for Goslings.
Carey (33:04):
Goslings.
Jennifer (33:05):
Goslings and Ducks.
Carey (33:06):
Yep.
Pull eggs.
That is a smaller egg from a henthat is young.
Jennifer (33:15):
From a pull,
Carey (33:16):
from a pull.
But that you should notincubate.
Jennifer (33:22):
They could be double yogurts too.
They're just gonna be all overthe usually.
Okay.
You're right.
Pull it.
Eggs we describe as the smallones, but pull, its can lay eggs
that are all over the spectrum.
Most size.
Carey (33:36):
Yeah.
If you got too much proteingoing to'em, a lot of times they
will lay bigger eggs.
Jennifer (33:40):
Yeah.
Alright.
Plumage.
Jink,
Carey (33:45):
that's the hackle feathers and the sickle
feathers.
Jennifer (33:48):
Feather.
And the tail feathers.
Carey (33:49):
And the wing feathers.
And
Jennifer (33:52):
so the hackle feathers and the sickle feathers are what
makes a rooster pretty.
Carey (33:56):
Yes?
This past weekend I was at ashow in South Carolina and I saw
this rooster whose hacklefeathers literally looked like a
sunburst.
Like it was a really prettybird.
Yeah.
Jennifer (34:15):
All right.
The SOP was written by the a PA
Carey (34:20):
kinda.
We won't go down that road.
Jennifer (34:24):
In conference with the clubs, did that, yeah.
That explained everything,didn't it?
Carey (34:30):
That would be the standard of perfection.
Jennifer (34:34):
Yeah.
The standard as according
Carey (34:35):
to the American Net Poultry Association.
Jennifer (34:39):
Or the American Bantam Association,
Carey (34:41):
they have one.
That's the A BA.
American Banham Association,
Jennifer (34:48):
and then you have breed clubs.
Not all breeds have clubs, butthe more popular ones do.
Carey (34:55):
Yeah,
Jennifer (34:55):
and they just are a group of people like the
Orpington Club or the CoachingsInternational.
We have a list of, they lovethat bird.
We have a list of the breedclubs on our website.
Did you know that I put thatthere?
Carey (35:11):
I saw.
Jennifer (35:13):
Okay, cool.
Carey (35:14):
The listener should check it out.
Yeah.
Make sure they become a part oftheir favorite breed club to
help support it.
Jennifer (35:21):
Yep.
Now, the SOP is copyrighted bythe A PA.
You cannot get that.
Description anywhere but buyingthe book from the a PA on their
website.
Carey (35:35):
Yep.
You take a picture of it andpost it and they will send you
an nastygram.
Jennifer (35:40):
So
Carey (35:40):
don't do it.
And it's a protected thing, so Iget it, but don't do it.
Alright.
And I did hear that they aregoing through the final stages.
Releasing a new version that'shad been corrected.
Jennifer (36:00):
And did you know the first 33 pages involved in the,
included in the first 33 pagesis a dictionary with a whole lot
more terms in it.
Carey (36:09):
There's a lot of'em in there.
Jennifer (36:10):
There is pages and pages of them.
Carey (36:13):
Yep.
Jennifer (36:13):
So these are just the highlights that we come across
every day.
People asking me on the websiteor whatnot, and we thought we
would just
Carey (36:21):
see if we could clear that up.
Jennifer (36:23):
There you go.
And it help y'all out.
I hope it was fun for everybodyelse.
It was fun for us.
Carey (36:28):
Yep.
I enjoyed it.
Jennifer (36:30):
All right, so we'll talk
Carey (36:32):
to y'all later.
Jennifer (36:33):
Bye.
Welcome poultry enthusiast to another exciting
episode of the Poultry NerdsPodcast.
Jennifer (00:08):
Whether you're raising backyard chickens, diving deep
into the science of avianhealth, or just obsessed with
all thing feathers and eggs,your in the right place.
Carey (00:19):
I'm Carey.
Jennifer (00:20):
I'm Jennifer.
We're your hosts.
Your
Carey (00:22):
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and today.
Today, go for it.
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We've got an episode packed with everything you need
to know to define all the terms,what the, what is it called?
Jennifer (00:36):
From expert tips to fascinating facts.
We're here to help you becomethe ultimate poultry pro.
It's time to get nerdy aboutpoultry.
Okay, so just for context, wehave been sitting here talking
for 15 minutes and forgot to hitrecord, so that is why we're
laughing and a little out ofsync.
Carey (00:54):
That's alright.
Jennifer (00:56):
So it occurred to a me the other night that a lot of
people don't know what some ofthese common terms.
Are what we're talking about.
So we thought we'd explain themall.
Carey (01:12):
And that is the thing because especially when you're
in some of the poultry groups,people and like they're in the
south, we just say, bless herheart.
Jennifer (01:25):
So terminology is super important.
Yeah.
'cause you can't say you have ahen in a brooder.
That's not the rightterminology.
So if you're asking for, yeah,because
Carey (01:37):
then you would be like roasting a chicken
Jennifer (01:41):
or
Carey (01:42):
poaching eggs or what, whatever.
Jennifer (01:46):
So when you need help or you're filling out show forms
or.
Talking to a breeder, using theright terminology is important.
So you don't tell somebody thatyou're doing something and
you're using the wrong words.
Did I say that right?
Carey (02:07):
Yeah, because it like people do it.
So yeah.
Today we figured we'll explain.
What is meant when someone saysa chick?
We're not talking about the girlin the bikini at the beach.
That is actually, we're talkingabout what actually should be in
(02:30):
the brooder, the we, the weedlittle chick, the young.
Let's see.
I would consider anything up towhat, four weeks, five weeks, at
least as a chick.
Yeah.
Jennifer (02:45):
Accessable.
Carey (02:46):
Yeah.
Before their sex.
You can, until you can figureout what they are, and that
would be breed specific becausesome of them it would be closer
to maybe six or eight weeks.
cause like on a Pharaoh quail,you would consider that a chick
for like week three.
But an orpington, I don't knowhow long would you consider that
(03:10):
a check?
Jennifer (03:13):
Probably six to eight weeks.
Carey (03:15):
Yeah,
Jennifer (03:15):
but there's no, you could still call'em, even if
they were sensible, you couldstill call'em a pull or a
cockrell.
Carey (03:23):
Yeah, because that covers anything under a year old is
what I've always, if it's undera year old, then it's safe to
call it a pull or a cockrell orwhatever.
Jennifer (03:34):
All right, you're getting ahead on our outline.
So chick would be chicken orquail.
Carey (03:41):
Yep.
That it, babies.
That's
Jennifer (03:42):
it.
Right?
Carey (03:43):
That's them babies.
And a
Jennifer (03:44):
duckling.
Duckling.
That's pretty obvious.
That's a duck.
A pul is for a Turkey, a babyTurkey.
It's not a check.
It's a polt.
P-O-U-L-T.
And then gosling.
That's a goose.
Carey (04:01):
Yeah.
Jennifer (04:02):
And here's the biggest pet peeve for me.
Birds are hatched.
They're not born.
They're hatched.
Carey (04:11):
Okay?
Yeah,
Jennifer (04:13):
Yeah.
Okay.
Now
Carey (04:16):
that's when you see a lot too.
Jennifer (04:18):
You do a lot
Carey (04:20):
and I'm just like, I love you, but they're hatched.
Jennifer (04:26):
Okay, so now we're on to the pull ro conversation.
So a pull would be a youngfemale.
Carey (04:32):
Yep.
Jennifer (04:34):
And we're talking about chickens.
Quail.
Yeah, maybe quail.
And that's it.
So like to me,
Carey (04:45):
I don't think a quail really hits the pull stage.
'cause them suckers, they gofrom.
Like checks to lay in eggs.
Maybe a Bob White are one of theones that take longer to mature,
but yeah.
Jennifer (04:58):
So just a female.
Carey (05:00):
Yeah, that would just be a hand.
'cause yeah, they're quick.
Jennifer (05:04):
Yeah.
Okay.
So if you're filling out a showcard, a pull, it would be one
that's under a year old.
Carey (05:12):
Yep.
Jennifer (05:12):
And if you are just talking slang out in the yard, a
pull, it would be one thathasn't laid eggs yet,
Carey (05:20):
which, when you say hasn't laid eggs yet, a lot of
times by the time they're six toeight months old, they've laid
an egg.
But there's still a pull, not ahand, because they're not over a
year old.
So it's like, what do you, Idon't know that can be
confusing.
That's why
Jennifer (05:37):
I said backyard.
That's why I said backyard.
Carey (05:39):
Yep, backyard.
Jennifer (05:41):
Okay.
So a cock role would be a youngmale,
Carey (05:45):
right?
Jennifer (05:46):
And if you're doing a show card, it's denoted by the
letter K, and it's one that'sunder a year old,
Carey (05:53):
right?
Jennifer (05:55):
A cock is a rooster.
Over a year old male, whateveryou wanna call.
Totally mature.
Chicken.
Chicken quail.
Ready to go?
Yep.
Carey (06:07):
Looking for love in all the places.
Jennifer (06:10):
Hen that's gonna be a female over a year and that is
gonna include your chicken, yourquail, your Turkey, your duck.
Carey (06:21):
That's, yeah.
And see that's one of the thingsthat's confusing to me, and I
can understand how people can beconfused.
'cause it's okay, you've got ahen and you've got a duck.
But the males are called Drakes,not roosters.
I can understand why with ducksand geese, people could get
confused because the terminologyis not as common.
Jennifer (06:44):
So that's why we're here.
I forgot to add to the list isJake and Tom.
Carey (06:51):
Oh yeah.
Jennifer (06:51):
Jake is, yeah.
Jake is a young Turkey male.
And a Tom is a mature Yep.
Turkey.
So Drake would be a duck male.
Carey (07:05):
And a
Jennifer (07:06):
gander would be a male goose, right?
Carey (07:10):
Yeah.
Jennifer (07:12):
Alright, next category.
That's,
Carey (07:13):
you hear the word gander in some old nursery rhymes too.
Jennifer (07:17):
Alright, my next category on my little list we've
got going here.
Okay, so sexed birds are theopposite of straight run.
So straight run, which shouldbe, they're just mixed up.
Carey (07:33):
That should be a thing.
But I see so many peoplecomplaining, oh, I ordered
straight run birds, and I gotall roosters except for two.
I'm like, that's straight run.
Unfortunately, that is what in alot of situations, how the luck
usually works and what comes outof.
(07:55):
The hatcher seems especiallywhen you need a lot of hens,
you're gonna get a lot ofroosters.
That's one of the reasons whyautos sex is a thing.
And sex link.
Jennifer (08:08):
So sex birds would be just that we can tell male from
female.
You can vent sex.
Quail vent sexing, they have tobe sexually mature.
If you're trying to do chickenchicks or ducks or turkeys, in
all likelihood, you cannot.
Those are trained professionalsthat meant sex at the
(08:30):
hatcheries.
So you can damage a bird.
Please don't try, just let it begender reveal in six to eight
weeks.
Carey (08:41):
Yeah, that, because that.
I've watched a lot of YouTubevideos to try to figure that out
and once you see it, but it'slike a very fine line as to how
much you squeeze the bird beingtoo much.
And if those insides pop out,you now have a call.
(09:04):
Even if you didn't want it, justleave them alone.
Yeah, leave them alone.
Let it be the surprise.
Like a box of chocolates.
Jennifer (09:11):
Sex linked.
That just means that the geneticmanipulated, usually color
genetics are manipulated in sucha way that they're sex able at
Hatch.
And we did a podcast about that.
Probably.
March of 25, I would say maybeFebruary 25.
We did a podcast about that.
It was March.
Carey (09:32):
March the 13th was Hannah Rooster.
How To Tell The Difference.
Jennifer (09:37):
Yeah, but we did one with Gina, sex Linked and Auto.
Oh
Carey (09:41):
yeah, sex Linked with Gina.
That was, yeah, that wasFebruary the 20th.
Jennifer (09:47):
Yep.
Okay, so next up on mycategories here we have litter.
Litter is like used beddingessentially at the bottom of the
coop, right?
Carey (10:00):
That's not what a cat has.
We're talking about farmanimals.
Jennifer (10:05):
Farm animals.
I guess it could be freshlitter.
Bedding is more like you beddedthe nest boxes or you bedded the
brooders or
Carey (10:16):
what kind of bedding do you use?
Do you use straw or what do youput in your I use
Jennifer (10:21):
dirt.
I dirt in your boxes.
What a concept.
Carey (10:25):
Look, some people try to overthink their nest boxes and
get extremely fancy with'em, andwhat I have found for a lot of
birds, regardless of the size,that a 12 to 14 inch opening
sitting on the ground, much likethe size of a milk crate.
(10:51):
With something soft in thebottom, they will lay eggs,
whether it is a game bird, alarge foul, or a Turkey.
Jennifer (11:02):
My Turkey lay all over the place.
I have to go Easter egg huntingin the runs.
Carey (11:07):
So in the coop that I have mine in, they all, I've got
four hens in there.
They're all very particular toone corner and I just put a milk
crate right there with some peamoss and people are like, that's
(11:30):
too big for a Turkey.
Or not big enough for a Turkey.
But Frank Reese said himself, heuses 12 inch by 12 inch box with
an open top sitting on theground.
And that's what all of his layin.
Jennifer (11:46):
So I have tried everything.
I've had turkeys for years and Ihave tried everything and mine
just want to lay on the ground.
They're like my ducks.
So when I'm driving across thefield in the Gator, we play hit
the duck egg because they'reliterally just everywhere and
you don't know how old they are.
And that's why I have to pin myducks up this time of year.
(12:09):
To get the eggs.
So you
Carey (12:10):
had some
Jennifer (12:11):
Yes, I had some because the ones you the, when
the grandkids come over andthey're like, bring me these
duck ache.
I'm like, where'd you get that?
Was it in the pen or out of thepen?
It was out of the pen.
Grandma.
Okay.
Be very careful with it.
It could, could've been theresince last,
Carey (12:27):
when you throw that, be very careful.
Because that is like Easter egghunting nightmares all over
again.
Jennifer (12:38):
They near over the weekend and I'm throwing them in
the pond.
Carey (12:42):
Yeah, because how many times, and this happened to me
as a kid, we have Easter bowl,eggs, all that good stuff.
I was cutting grass, so picturethat like a month or so later,
I.
And I found an egg that wasrough, really rough.
Like I stopped right where Iwas.
(13:04):
I was struggling.
It was tough.
So try to get your birds to layin some area.
Yeah.
Jennifer (13:14):
Yep.
Yeah.
Carey (13:15):
Grit.
Grit.
That's a term, huh?
Roost.
Oh yeah.
Roost.
Roost a roost.
I use two by fours.
That's anything from a reallybig tree limb to a two by four
or a two by six, depending onhow big the birds are.
(13:37):
Turkey's two by sixes.
Like in one of my pens, Ithought I was gonna be creative
and be like, do something reallycool to make it.
Like the reel.
So I got some small trees that Icut down and I was using those
for roofs and now I make sawhorses.
(14:00):
Yep.
Different sizes.
I've got some saw horses thatare foot tall.
I have some that are foot and ahalf and I have one set that's
six feet tall'cause game birds.
Would fly 30 feet up in the airif you had their thing tall
enough, they would love it.
But like for my turkeys, I builta two of them put in there that
(14:26):
were like three feet wide andthey're two feet tall.
And it's great because at night.
When I need to go in there andcheck on'em and give them a good
feel down the Q bone and downtheir backbone and see how
things are going.
Getting time for breeding seasonand thinking in the back of my
mind, which one's gonna beThanksgiving?
(14:47):
When they're two feet off theground, you just go in there
and,'cause they're like atnight.
So
Jennifer (14:52):
they are, they worked.
They are.
Yeah, you never wanna put aTurkey roost over your head
because if you go in there andhave to get'em, you,
Carey (15:01):
you're not going to.
Jennifer (15:03):
Mine are four feet off the ground.
Yeah.
So I used the two before.
I also used two by eights forthe turkeys.
And my highest roost is theTurkey and it is four feet.
Everybody else is two feet offthe ground.
Yeah, you
Carey (15:18):
don't want'em to hurt yourself.
Getting off.
Jennifer (15:21):
Yep.
All right.
Now you can talk about grits.
You're like your favoritesubject.
Carey (15:25):
So grit.
That is rocks.
Lot of people want to say oystershell is grit because it's kind
of, it's hard, but it breaksgrits, rock.
Jennifer (15:44):
It is most now.
Now, somebody did text me nottoo long ago and ask me the
difference between oyster shelland granite grit, and I just
told them that oyster shell isgonna wear out faster.
Carey (15:58):
Yeah.
Because it's calcium and itdissolves.
And granite, it will in a fewthousand years.
Jennifer (16:08):
Yeah.
So if we pull up fossils ofturkeys, they'll have granite in
'em.
Carey (16:13):
Nah.
'cause back then they probablywasn't smart enough to give it
to'em to get their feeconversion ratio up by 20%.
Uhhuh chicken wire.
Chicken wire is a thing.
That's that octagonal stuff thatcomes with those$200 coops that
you buy off of Amazon.
That is really great for keepingyour chickens in, but it's not
(16:36):
great for keeping anything out.
Yeah.
It's not great for keepinganything out.
Jennifer (16:41):
Keeps contained,
Carey (16:43):
So contained if
Jennifer (16:45):
can get in,
Carey (16:47):
yeah.
If you live in suburbia and youhave a fenced in backyard, then
you're gonna be good with that.
But if you live anywhere outsideof that.
You're setting up a buffet.
Which comes to one of the otherthings that we have on here.
Hardware, cloth.
(17:07):
That's the stuff that's really,it's not really cloth.
Really stiff.
Yeah.
No.
That's the stuff that's reallystiff.
It is usually like 16, 18, 20gauge thick.
It is welded together.
I would highly suggest wearinggloves when you handle it,
(17:30):
because that crap will slice youwith a quickness.
Jennifer (17:35):
Yeah.
You'll almost always get one upunderneath your fingernail.
Carey (17:41):
Yes.
Right there for y'all that cansee that.
It like, I still have a blackspot on my finger in the middle,
that's a thing.
Way better than the chickenwire, but still it's not
predator proof, but it's likeputting forth some effort.
Jennifer (18:02):
And you can get it in different sizes.
You can get quarter inchsquares, half inch squares,
three quarter inch squares.
Carey (18:09):
I've even seen some half by one.
Yeah.
Half by one is really good ifyou're making a quail cage for
the bottom, but I woulddefinitely, I would not I can't
think of a reason why you woulduse the quarter inch other than
that's all you had access to.
Or maybe if it was lessexpensive.
(18:31):
No.
In some of my pens, some of mybreeding pens that I have are
dog kennels that were convertedand I have half by half this, 24
inches wide around the bottom.
Because chickens are dumb.
They'll stick their head out and
Jennifer (18:49):
what's out here that will take my head off.
Carey (18:51):
Chicken.
The chicken wire.
They can fit their head throughthat.
They can't.
The hardware cloth.
Jennifer (18:55):
And then you can get hardware cloth coated or non
coated.
Yeah, just be aware that noncoated will rust over time.
Yep.
It is not good for feet, soalways get coated hardware,
cloth if you're gonna put a birdon it, right?
But for just like the walls orthe top, uncoated is fine.
(19:18):
Save your money.
And then netting, oh, you lostsome wet
Carey (19:24):
netting.
You love it,
Jennifer (19:27):
So I have to tell you a story.
You ready?
Ready.
And I wish I could.
I found it and I haven't seen itin a while.
So I bought the cheap stuff offof Z right?
Back when I first built the runsand stuff, I bought the$20 pack
and it would get you like ahundred feet of netting.
(19:47):
Somebody had a lot, somebody hadactually written.
Somebody had written a reviewand I bought it just because of
the review.
It was so funny.
But she said, first of all,don't do netting with your
spouse and tie one corner to themirror of the car and another
(20:09):
corner to the neighbor's fenceand another corner to your
house.
And then it is still gonna bethe shape of a diamond and
you'll never get it up.
So just wad it up and throw itaway.
And don't ask your friends tohelp you either,'cause they'll
never come over again to helpyou.
(20:29):
All.
True statements.
I would never let David help mewith the netting and one of my
kids actually put it up.
Up and I went up there to checkon him to see if he needed my
help and he stopped and helooked at me.
He, now he is like 30, and helooks at me and he goes, I need
(20:50):
you to walk away.
Do not turn around.
Do not look at me again.
I just need you to walk away andI will let you know when I'm
done.
We get it all up and one sparrowflies into it, this big gaping
hole.
So do you not buy the$20 stuff?
Just save your$20.
Carey (21:12):
I was gonna say, one of the things when I said something
about building a large run outof the two by four wire, I don't
think I'm skipping overanything.
No.
Like the two by four wire yousaid don't get the cheap stuff
go straight to.
(21:34):
What is that company?
Jennifer (21:38):
It's rope knitting.
Don't get the nylon.
Carey (21:42):
Yeah.
What is a company that sellsthat?
Jennifer (21:45):
It's a couple of them.
I got mine from Pennon, butthere's, yeah, they're, but make
sure but get the kind that's
Carey (21:51):
like rope because the nylon stuff.
Yeah.
There, there might be divorcesthat have happened because of
that.
Jennifer (22:01):
Yes.
So hire a complete stranger fromthe corner to come help you put
it on.
Carey (22:06):
Yeah, there you go.
And pay'em when you finish.
'cause that's tough, but it'svery handy because it still lets
the sun in which they need and,but it will also keep hawks out.
Yeah.
Jennifer (22:24):
What about, and it's very heavy.
Carey (22:26):
What about feed?
Feed to me should beself-explanatory.
Start, there's a lot of
Jennifer (22:34):
confusion over the wording.
Kind
Carey (22:37):
of a starter.
Then you give'em a grower tomake'em grow.
You give'em a layer when theystart laying.
But what's a conditioner feedfor it?
People
Jennifer (22:47):
want ages.
People want ages.
They wanna know that.
Do you give them layer feed at16 weeks?
Carey (22:55):
No.
Jennifer (22:56):
No.
Carey (22:58):
I will say that if you, a lot of times if you look at a
feed tag, it should have asuggested age on it.
There you go.
Like layers 26 weeks and up
Jennifer (23:13):
layers, layer feeds for layers.
Carey (23:17):
I was gonna say you, if you give a chicken layer feed,
it will not start laying.
But when it starts laying, youprobably should give it layer
feed or like a developer feedwith what we mentioned earlier,
(23:38):
oyster shells.
Jennifer (23:39):
Shells.
Okay.
We're gonna not go.
We're gonna, I'm gonna let youdigress for one minute because
we need to dispel a myth.
Can the males, the roosters, theRos eat layer food?
Carey (23:55):
I hope so, because mine do,
Jennifer (23:59):
yes.
So do mine.
They haven't killed over yet.
Carey (24:04):
It a lot of calcium?
Yeah.
Is it gonna kill'em?
No.
The, because you're
Jennifer (24:12):
only feeding it to'em while they're laying the rest of
the time they're going off themills.
Carey (24:18):
Yeah.
On a developer or conditioner,not a starter because they're
beyond starter.
And if they're already mature,they're past the grower.
Yeah, kick'em with an off flocksomething go.
Yeah, do it.
Jennifer (24:36):
All right.
What else we got here?
Okay, next section ofterminology, brooders.
Carey (24:42):
That's where you put your hands.
Jennifer (24:45):
No, that's where you put the chicks.
Carey (24:50):
Yeah.
Okay.
Jennifer (24:51):
Or the ducklings or the pulse
Carey (24:55):
Or the goslings.
Or the goslings.
Jennifer (24:57):
I just like saying it.
I like that word too.
Carey (25:00):
It's fun.
Jennifer (25:02):
The grow up.
What
Carey (25:03):
about, yeah, so that's where your cock rolls and pulls
go.
Jennifer (25:09):
Sure.
Still protected, still, a littlebit confined, protected from the
elements if you're brooding inthe wintertime.
But not necessarily on heatanymore.
Carey (25:25):
Yeah, no.
And the coop that's where theylay eggs, that's where they go
to sleep.
That's where they roost.
Jennifer (25:34):
And everybody looks different.
Do they act
Carey (25:35):
in the run?
They don't do that in the run,do they?
They run around in the run.
Jennifer (25:41):
Sometimes mine lay eggs in the run.
Carey (25:43):
That is true.
But
Jennifer (25:46):
now runs are attached to the coops because you're not.
Carey (25:49):
Yep.
Jennifer (25:50):
Free ranging.
Carey (25:53):
That's another thing.
Free range.
Free range is when there's noreal fence.
Now I get to me, technically Iconsider if you've got one of
those net fencing thing aroundand you've got a bunch of
chickens and you're moving fromone section of pasture to
(26:14):
another, that's stilltechnically free ranging, but
free ranging is when you're outthere.
Because that net not stopping awhole lot.
Jennifer (26:28):
No.
So you wanna hear a funny story?
Yeah.
So our last house did not haveany fencing and so I told David
we needed to fence and he didn'twant to because we lived on a
sheet of rock.
And so we went out there and westretched fence tree to tree and
stapled it to the tree on theproperty line.
(26:48):
And the entire time is fussingup a storm.
I'm like, what is wrong withyou?
And and then we're talking, thiswas a two acre lot, so let's
just say we're fencing an acrehere.
And I'm like, what is wrong withyou?
Why have we got such attitudeabout putting this fence up?
And he goes, because we're, youwant a fence, birds, creatures
(27:13):
that have wings and can fly andyou think putting up a four foot
fence is gonna hold these birdsin.
The only thing that ever got outwas stupid guineas, which we
forgot.
Those are called Keats, by theway.
The babies are.
But stupid Guineas would go overand then stand right up against
the fence and scream bloodymurder because they couldn't
(27:35):
figure out how to get back.
Carey (27:37):
At least they knew where they were supposed to come back
to.
Jennifer (27:40):
Guinea are like boat.
You're gr they're great.
The day you buy them and thenthey're great.
The day you get rid of them,
Carey (27:46):
The two best times involve a transaction.
Yeah.
I like, I have a really badpredator problem and I thought
seriously about getting themjust for that.
But I can't I would probablywind up madder at them than the
(28:08):
raccoons that I get.
Jennifer (28:11):
So if I have another Guinea story, so a couple, three
years ago I sold a ton of Keats,like as fast as I could, hatch
'em, selling them.
And we have a lot of westernstate transplants here in
Tennessee and they didn't.
Like the ticks or the bugs intheir yard.
(28:33):
And they would go online to thefake book and they would be told
they need guineas.
And I know when somebody waspulling their leg, because they
would come here and they wouldhave five acres and they wanted
20 guineas, and they wereadamant that they needed 20
(28:54):
guineas.
So I would sell them 20.
But then sometimes people wouldcome and they'd be like how many
do you really think I need?
And I always say, I don't know.
Maybe start with five or six andgo from there.
And a hundred percent of thetime, the people who bought the
20 or 25 guineas from me wouldcall me a few months later and
(29:16):
go, Hey, do you need some ofthese back?
Carey (29:19):
For biosecurity reasons, I do not take any birds back
once they leave.
They stay gone.
I can connect you with a localresource that will help you
butcher it.
Jennifer (29:29):
The first rule of sales is if somebody is
committed to what they want.
You don't try to talk'em outtathis.
Carey (29:36):
Nope.
You don't.
Jennifer (29:38):
Nope.
You just let it go.
Okay oh, aviary, we forgotAviary.
That's just, yeah, that's
Carey (29:46):
like
Jennifer (29:47):
a big open
Carey (29:48):
area that they.
Can fly in.
Jennifer (29:51):
A lot of people keep their quail that way.
Carey (29:53):
Yep.
Brody, that is the usefulpurpose of a silky.
That is when, I don't think thatis when a hen.
Wants to sit on her eggs andhatch them,
Jennifer (30:16):
and you won't mistake her for just wanting to sit
there.
They somehow contort all thebones into their bodies to flat
pancakes and cover all of theeggs, and they hiss and bark and
bite at you if you try.
Yep.
Some of them bite pretty hard,
Carey (30:38):
but the Broy hen is Nature's Incubator.
Jennifer (30:43):
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
An incubator would be where youwant to put your eggs without a
broy hen in order to make himgrow into chicks.
Or keets.
Or slings.
Carey (30:58):
And where would you get those eggs?
Hopefully
Jennifer (31:02):
the nest box outta a
Carey (31:03):
nest box.
Jennifer (31:05):
A clean one.
Carey (31:07):
Yes.
One where
Jennifer (31:07):
they haven't been sleeping in it.
Carey (31:09):
So I have this game chicken hen, she's a hen and she
will, I kept noticing like shewould wait.
On her particular box to openup.
So I thought, Hey, that's apretty good, she wants to make
sure it goes in the box.
So I started putting her in penswith my grow outs, and they
(31:35):
would see her going in and laytheir eggs and it worked because
all the ones, the hens that werein that grow out, it's like they
won't lay an egg unless they'reinside the nest box.
It's nice.
Jennifer (31:50):
No more dirty eggs, huh?
Alright.
And then the cu LEAs to removethe bird from the coop, from the
breeding program, from thebrooder, from the earth,
whatever you wanna call it.
It doesn't necessarily
Carey (32:08):
mean, a lot of people think, oh, if you're colon it,
you're.
Alive in it.
But that doesn't mean thatcalling, it is removing it from
your program period, regardlessof whether it's the crockpot
method, the person down the roadthat wants some chickens,
method, whatever method you gowith.
(32:32):
Yes.
All right.
What's a comb thought you'd runthrough your hair.
Jennifer (32:36):
Yeah, it's the big red thing on top of their heads.
I've seen a lot of people try todescribe it and didn't know what
the term was.
So the comb is on top of theirheads.
The waddles are on the bottom oftheir heads, underneath their,
Carey (32:52):
so the comb is like their hair and the waddles is like
their beard.
Jennifer (32:56):
Exactly.
The be is that Bill thing they
Carey (32:59):
eat with.
Jennifer (33:00):
And the Beal too.
But that would be for Goslings.
Carey (33:04):
Goslings.
Jennifer (33:05):
Goslings and Ducks.
Carey (33:06):
Yep.
Pull eggs.
That is a smaller egg from a henthat is young.
Jennifer (33:15):
From a pull,
Carey (33:16):
from a pull.
But that you should notincubate.
Jennifer (33:22):
They could be double yogurts too.
They're just gonna be all overthe usually.
Okay.
You're right.
Pull it.
Eggs we describe as the smallones, but pull, its can lay eggs
that are all over the spectrum.
Most size.
Carey (33:36):
Yeah.
If you got too much proteingoing to'em, a lot of times they
will lay bigger eggs.
Jennifer (33:40):
Yeah.
Alright.
Plumage.
Jink,
Carey (33:45):
that's the hackle feathers and the sickle
feathers.
Jennifer (33:48):
Feather.
And the tail feathers.
Carey (33:49):
And the wing feathers.
And
Jennifer (33:52):
so the hackle feathers and the sickle feathers are what
makes a rooster pretty.
Carey (33:56):
Yes?
This past weekend I was at ashow in South Carolina and I saw
this rooster whose hacklefeathers literally looked like a
sunburst.
Like it was a really prettybird.
Yeah.
Jennifer (34:15):
All right.
The SOP was written by the a PA
Carey (34:20):
kinda.
We won't go down that road.
Jennifer (34:24):
In conference with the clubs, did that, yeah.
That explained everything,didn't it?
Carey (34:30):
That would be the standard of perfection.
Jennifer (34:34):
Yeah.
The standard as according
Carey (34:35):
to the American Net Poultry Association.
Jennifer (34:39):
Or the American Bantam Association,
Carey (34:41):
they have one.
That's the A BA.
American Banham Association,
Jennifer (34:48):
and then you have breed clubs.
Not all breeds have clubs, butthe more popular ones do.
Carey (34:55):
Yeah,
Jennifer (34:55):
and they just are a group of people like the
Orpington Club or the CoachingsInternational.
We have a list of, they lovethat bird.
We have a list of the breedclubs on our website.
Did you know that I put thatthere?
Carey (35:11):
I saw.
Jennifer (35:13):
Okay, cool.
Carey (35:14):
The listener should check it out.
Yeah.
Make sure they become a part oftheir favorite breed club to
help support it.
Jennifer (35:21):
Yep.
Now, the SOP is copyrighted bythe A PA.
You cannot get that.
Description anywhere but buyingthe book from the a PA on their
website.
Carey (35:35):
Yep.
You take a picture of it andpost it and they will send you
an nastygram.
Jennifer (35:40):
So
Carey (35:40):
don't do it.
And it's a protected thing, so Iget it, but don't do it.
Alright.
And I did hear that they aregoing through the final stages.
Releasing a new version that'shad been corrected.
Jennifer (36:00):
And did you know the first 33 pages involved in the,
included in the first 33 pagesis a dictionary with a whole lot
more terms in it.
Carey (36:09):
There's a lot of'em in there.
Jennifer (36:10):
There is pages and pages of them.
Carey (36:13):
Yep.
Jennifer (36:13):
So these are just the highlights that we come across
every day.
People asking me on the websiteor whatnot, and we thought we
would just
Carey (36:21):
see if we could clear that up.
Jennifer (36:23):
There you go.
And it help y'all out.
I hope it was fun for everybodyelse.
It was fun for us.
Carey (36:28):
Yep.
I enjoyed it.
Jennifer (36:30):
All right, so we'll talk
Carey (36:32):
to y'all later.
Jennifer (36:33):
Bye.
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