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Hey poultry nerds.
We are back today with alistener request.
We're starting to get more ofthose and that makes it easy and
exciting to come up withsubjects.
I mean, I'm gonna be honest, Ireally enjoy doing the podcast,
but sometimes.
Like the hardest part about itis what do we talk about?
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Yes.
So anytime you guys needanswers, feel free to message us
or email us or whatever.
You know, scream out the backdoor if you want to and let us
know what it is that you need toknow and we will research it and
get back to you.
And look, there's a greatchance.
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That we will reply to your emailor whatever message, smoke
signal or whatever reallyquickly and give you that
answer.
Mm-hmm.
But that's also a great idea fora future podcast because if
you're curious, chances are alot of other people are too.
Yes.
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So today's request is how tohatch shipped eggs.
They do that.
Well, I mean, I've shipped a fewthis year, so it's possible to
hatch out shipped eggs.
There are some nuances to it, sowe're gonna kind of go through
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this step by step.
And I have an outline and we'llsee if we can stick to it.
I think we can.
I bet we don't.
Well, but I mean, there's someinteresting stories behind some
of these.
That we've gotten and you know,I've seen a lot of stuff on some
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of the groups and there's onethat, I'm not gonna mention its
name, but it's primarily achicken group.
And like some of the stuffpeople say is just really
outlandish and they're like, I'man expert.
Mm-hmm.
I have a veterinarianbackground, like I look at your
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Facebook history for the last I.
Four years you have a dog.
Not sure how that relates topoultry or etching shipped eggs
or whatever, but.
I appreciate you.
I think this is one of thosethings that social media added
to Amazon.
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On demand stuff, you can becomean expert pretty quickly and,
and incubating eggs takes somepractice.
I mean, it took me.
It took me a couple years.
I mean, I started with garbageincubators and worked my way up
to what I have now and anincubator.
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Quality plays a huge role in, inbeing successful.
I mean, there's, there's lots ofkeys.
My favorite post, what, and Ilove this.
What's the best incubator I canget?
For under$50 and I'm like, inthe world of incubators, the
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best and under$50 aren't in thesame sentence.
There may be a 50 with one ortwo digits in front of it.
You know, you could work withthat.
There's a caveat there though,if you understand the process
and you have experience.
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You could incubate in a cheapincubator.
You can, and I've done itsuccessfully.
Like I, a lot of people give mecrap for my$75 van popups, but
you know, when Terry showed ushow to use that on C Turner's
corner, I was like, Hey, here'sa cheap one for projects.
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I can use this for small batchtest hatching because you know,
the way I look at it.
If a lot of my customers areusing something like this, then
you know, if I put a set of eggsin it every so often and try it,
then that lets me know, Hey, Idon't need my, let's not admit
how much we spend on ourincubators.
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This one will work.
So I use that for testing and ifyou follow the instructions that
come with it.
For some that might be a crazystretch.
Be careful, but because when Igot this Van Poppo, it was, you
know, they come to the thestyrofoam and my first thought
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was, let me chunk it.
But if you actually read theinstructions, it tells you to
set it over the dome because ithelps insulate it so it can
regulate the temperature and thehumidity better.
So, I mean, I know as guys forus to read instructions, it's
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kind of tough sometimes andthere weren't any pictures with
it, but.
You ordered some eggs, theyarrived.
What do you do?
Well, let's back up for just aminute'cause there's a lot more
that goes into play there thanjust ordering some eggs from
Yahoo on eBay.
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Which I'm on eBay, so you know,I'm a Yahoo too.
Okay, so first of all, you'vegot to make sure that the
breeder you're ordering from hasthe proper genetics and that
you're comfortable that theyknow what they're talking about,
that they feed their breedersproper nutrition, because the
chick is going to grow with thenutrition in the egg yolk.
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Mm-hmm.
And if they don't have what theyneed, they're not gonna grow
well.
How is the shipper shipping theeggs?
How are they packaging them?
Because if they're putting themin a Ziploc bag, in a bubble
envelope, just, you know, sendus that money in that tip jar
because that's about as good asit's gonna get right there.
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And I have seen, oh, what aboutpacking used in a regular egg
card, like what you get from thegrocery store with packing
peanuts or saw dust?
I've seen one.
I've seen wood shavings.
Somebody said I had a bad hatchrate and I don't know why.
And I was like, show us picturesof the process.
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And they were like, well, when Igot the eggs, they looked like
this and then this and this andthis.
They showed some pictures ofcandle and stuff and I was like
you ordered the problem is theway those things were shipped.
I don't, because like when Iread it, everything the person
did.
They, they did, right?
But they ordered eggs that wereshipped in an egg carton and
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sawdust.
So assuming that you weresatisfied with the previous
checklist of genetics,nutrition, and shipping methods,
now the eggs have been turnedover to the post office or UPS,
but you're not supposed to ship'em.
UPS.
So are they thrown, are theyjostled?
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Do they go up in a plane?
Do they go over a mountainbecause altitude matters?
And what is the temperature?
Because they're not teleportedfrom, say, my barn to your
kitchen.
They actually go in a truck andwe see commercials this time of
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year.
You know, don't leave your dogin the car, your baby in the car
because the car temperature cango up.
I think they're saying 40degrees now.
When I was a kid it was like 20or 30 degrees.
So let's just say today it was ahundred here, so that means it's
140 in the back of a semi truck.
Going down the road.
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So are your eggs, you know,protected from that 140 degree
heat going down the road?
Or in January when the Arcticfreezes come through, did the
eggs get frozen while they weregoing down the road?
So you've got to get temperatureinto play on that.
So you've got a lot of thingshappening to those eggs before
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you ever put your hands on them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And were they, I think a lot ofpeople say that if you get a
hatch rate over 50% on hatchedon shipped eggs, then you should
consider yourself doing good.
Yes.
I believe that that is theindustry standard at this point.
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I think for a while people justsaid that, but the more I pay
attention, I think 50% is theaverage.
And honestly, that's because shhatching shipped eggs is from
zero to a hundred, so the middleis 50.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Kinda makes sense.
If I ship some eggs to you.
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You're one state over then, youknow, I may wind up with a 75 or
80% hatch rate, but if I shippedsome eggs to somebody that say,
lived in Washington State, they,they probably did go through an
X-ray machine.
They probably did go through analtitude change on an airplane
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because I would ship them towhere they would need to get
there within one or two days.
Or, you know, they're in theback of an 18 wheeler for a
really long period of time, sothey kind of already started the
incubation process.
Well, and that was somethingelse that I skipped over.
Um, how old are the eggs whenthey're shipped out?
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Yeah.
So you've gotta keep all ofthose things in mind.
Supposedly that viability startsdropping at 10 days.
We should aim for seven days.
That does not mean at day 10,they're breakfast.
Eggs.
That just simply means that yourchances are starting to get
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slimmer and slimmer of havinggood, healthy chicks become
hatched.
That's what that simply means.
Okay, so let's just say all ofthat and now you've got your
eggs in your hot little hand.
Okay.
If it's winter time, and this isgonna go for any species, if it
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is winter time and it is coldoutside, you are going to set
the eggs pointy side down atroom temperature for 12 ish
hours.
You're bringing them.
Up to room temperature slowly.
That's the point of this.
You've got an air cell in thetop fat end of that egg, which
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we're gonna talk about more injust a minute, and you're kinda
letting the eggs acclimate wherethey got, maybe got cold in
during shipping, you know thatkind stuff then.
And sometimes like I've seeneggs that the box looked like
they got bored at the terminaland played soccer with them.
So you're gonna want the A cellsto come back together and be
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solid again before you stickthem in the incubator if you
can.
Yeah.
Now if it's hot like it is rightnow, incubate.
It's very possible theincubation has started inside
the truck.
Think about it, it's a hundreddegrees.
Okay?
So what you're gonna wanna do isyou're gonna wanna take those
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eggs and put them in theincubator with the turner off
for the 12 hours.
Yep.
Because you're still settlingthe egg because you, because
you're setting it without theturner, but you're not cooling
it to room temperature and thengonna try to incubate it.
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It is already started in the ahundred degree truck, or a
hundred degree plus truck.
Now you're going to put it rightback in the incubator.
Leave the turner off.
Okay?
And talk about Turner's for aminute.
This is gonna, this might offendsomebody, you know?
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I mean, sometimes people don'tlike the truth.
Okay.
I am convinced 100% the eggsneed to be rotated, not rolled.
Now, I'm going to go back forjust a minute.
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If it's your own eggs, I don'tcare.
Do whichever you want to.
If you are buying, shipped eggs,they need to be.
Rotated like tipped, not rolled,like on their side and the
machine goes around in a circle.
I just, and that's gonna comeback into play when we talk
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about the air cells.
But if you are in the market tobuy an incubator because you're
going to order shipped eggs.
Get one where the eggs stand up,pointy side down instead of
rolled like in a circle.
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They come both ways.
I don't wanna mention namebrands.
I don't know that it matters.
Can we talk about name brands onhere?
I mean, ain't nobody sponsoringus.
Okay, so if you're doing shippedeggs, don't do an HI 360.
If you're gonna do somethinglike the Maddie Kix or the CIAs
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or the hatching times orsomething where the eggs stand
up in an egg rack or a cradle,something along those lines.
Okay, now let's talk about thedetached air cells.
Now you guys are gonna havehomework today.
If you have never done this, youneed to do it, especially do it
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with your kids.
It's interesting.
All right.
I want you to take an egg thatyou're going to eat and candle
it, and it can be a fresh egg,but one that's like a week or
two or even older would beeasier or do both if you have
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access to both.
Um, so you bought from thestore?
Sure.
Like three months old.
Sure.
Okay, so when you candle it,what you're going to see in the
fresh egg, like from thismorning egg, is you're not
really gonna see a whole lot.
It's just gonna be kind ofclear.
You are not really gonna see anair cell, it's just an egg,
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right?
Yeah.
Okay.
If you get one that's like.
Store bought egg, it's a couplemonths old.
You're gonna see an air shell atthe top because as the, this is
where the science is gonna comein.
So as the egg ages, it losesmoisture and the egg shell
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breathes air, oxygen, carbondioxide moves through that air
that eggshell.
So that membrane will shrink asthe moisture is lost and you end
up with the air shell at thetop.
That's how it gets there.
Right?
Okay.
So when you candle it, you aregoing to see it and it's gonna
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be about the size of a teaspoonmaybe.
It's not gonna be huge.
It's gonna be kind of small.
Yeah.
All right.
Now after you've seen it, youcan even draw a line to around
it.
If you've never done thisbefore, the line with the pencil
can actually be useful, um,around the air cell.
And you're gonna notice when youtilt the egg, it doesn't move.
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It stays in the fat end.
That's very important to thehomework part.
Okay.
Now, after you're, you've seenit all, you, you understand
where the air cell is andeverything.
Now, I want you to take that eggand I want you to shake the fire
out of it.
I want you to play the, what arethose things that you shake and
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you're doing the, I can'tremember what they're called.
Caracas?
Yeah, something like that.
Pretend you, pretend that you'vegot, what'd you say?
Caracas?
Yeah, Mor Rock, MOOCs something.
So shake those things.
I don't know.
A good 10 seconds.
Okay.
Shake it like a salt shaker.
There you go.
Salt shaker, and then candle itagain.
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That is a detached egg air cell.
I mean a detached air cell.
So you're gonna see bubbles,you're gonna see probably a
couple, three big bubbles.
Um, if it slides all the waydown on the side of the egg,
that's called a saddled airbag,uh, air cell on the side and.
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That has damaged the egg toprobably to the point where it
won't incubate at all.
Because that's, and that's why Isaid do one that you're gonna
eat for breakfast.
'cause you just scrambled it.
Mm-hmm.
But now you understand you havea visual of what you're looking
for.
So now you take your shippedeggs and you're gonna very
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carefully candle them.
We are not shaking them like asalt shaker.
Or the word that we can'tremember what it is.
And so if it's in the fat endand it doesn't move when you
very gently rotate the egg.
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Now remember, let's go back tocandle for just a second.
When you candle eggs, you alwayscandle them pointy side down.
Do not use.
The Candler on the incubatorbecause the very first thing you
have to do to use it is turn theegg upside down.
And that's wrong.
I don't know why they put thoseon there.
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It aggravates me.
So use a, I have an electricCandler, but use anything if
you're in a dark room, it's nothard to see.
But always candle and egg pointinside down.
You don't want to disturb theair cell, the yolk, any of
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those, anything inside that eggany more than it already has
been during shipping.
Okay, so now you're candling itand you're looking at that air
cell.
If it stays in the fat end,that's all the information that
you need.
Put the egg back down.
We don't have to.
Oh, what's the word?
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Geek out on the egg.
Rotate it every which way andreally dissect it.
Do that on a store-Bought egg.
Don't do that on these shippedeggs.
Okay, so just gently put the eggback down.
Now if you get the egg andyou're candling it and the air
cell is broken or saddled.
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You are gonna still set ityou've got the information that
you need, so just put the egg tothe side and you may put an X on
it or something with a pencil.
I mean, I use Sharpies, itdoesn't matter to me, but
whatever, just mark it that thatair cell was detached and put
them in the incubator.
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I had one person say theywouldn't incubate'em, just put
them in the incubator.
Just because the A cell isdetached does not mean it won't
grow.
It means it has a more difficultchance of growing, but it will
still grow.
Now, this is where experiencecomes into play.
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When I got some shipped eggs fora friend, um, actually three
weeks ago today, they're in theHatcher retina Now.
Every single one of the aircells was broken.
Two of them were saddled, and Itexted him and I said, I will
try, but this will take all ofmy skills to get them to grow.
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Okay?
And this is what I did.
I put them in.
My incubator, which I have ahatch in time, so they're
rocking, they're not rotating ontheir sides, and I did not turn
the turn on.
I didn't plug it in for 24hours.
Then I plugged it in and waitedseven days.
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He, I don't typically candle.
He wanted to know how it looked,so I just took the tray out and
put the light on'em.
I did not remove the eggs fromthe trays.
If you're going to candle.
Only do it at day seven.
From day three to day seven, itis very important that the eggs
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are rotated, they're tilted,they're undisturbed.
That's the largest, I don'tknow, the most important days
for growth in an egg.
Okay, is day three to seven andwe're talking about chicken eggs
here, three to seven.
So don't candle before dayseven.
You're not, if you don't knowwhat you're looking at, you're
not gonna see anything anyway.
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And day seven, if you want tocandle.
You want to disturb the egg, theleast amount that you can get
with get by with, and that meansnot turning it upside down on
top of that light on the top ofthe incubator.
That means if you don't evenhave to take'em out of the tray,
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which is what I do, just take myCandler right on top of the egg,
still sitting in the tray andcandle them the only information
that you're looking for.
Is, do you see veins or do yousee something that might
explode?
That's also useful information.
It's a very rare occurrence.
Your nose will not lie to you,so you're not gonna miss it.
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We've all had that happen justback away slowly.
Oh, if you ever do have thathappen, just like our rabbit
hole set session here, if youever do have a stinky bomb in
there and it hasn't explodedyet, put your hand inside of a
plastic bag from wherever.
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Just grab the egg very gentlyand.
Put it inside the bag, tie itup, because the second it gets
any kind of pressure on it, likeyou said on the table or
something, it's gonna explode.
So take it straight outside.
If it is oozing and it has stuckto the Turner, you move all the
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good eggs and you take the wholething outside and then you clean
it and bring it back in.
That's how you get rid of astink bomb.
Okay.
Where was I don't Don't try topick it up.
Yeah, don't try to pick it up.
If it's stuck, don't try tounstick it inside the house.
Okay.
So where was it?
Oh, candle in.
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So they're in the turner.
Hopefully you've got one wherethey're sitting upright.
You're just simply looking forgrowth.
The air cells should be gettingbigger.
You should see some veins.
Really, you're probably notgonna notice a whole lot more
than that.
Um, if you do have the ring ofdeath, I mean, you could pull
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those.
I am not ever going to tell youto pull anything.
Unless it's just an obviousstink bomb waiting to happen, I
am not one to, unless you'rejust completely outta space for
whatever reason, just leave'em.
There's always a chance thatyou're wrong.
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Just leave them in there, okay?
So that, don't bother them againuntil day 18.
You've got'em upright.
Just let'em do their thing.
These have already had thehardest possible start to life
possible, so just leave themalone to day 18.
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And because you've got'emupright, because you're gently
rocking them, that air still airsack cell has to be in the top
just because of.
Gravity and air pressure.
Right.
Would it be air pressure orgravity?
I don't know which, I mean both.
I guess so, because gravity'sgonna pull one down and the
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pressure will pull the other up.
Of course.
The air up.
Yeah.
Okay.
The as far as the humidity, dowhat you normally do.
I like 40% where I am.
If you decide to go a little bitheavier on the humidity, upright
is always great because it curesa lot of evils.
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It moisture will go down and thechick's head is up.
That way it keeps the chick'shead away from the moisture.
If you've got your humidity toohigh, we'll keep them from
drowning.
It's always a good tip.
Shipped eggs are not okay, sonow you're at day 18.
And just so you know, theseshipped eggs that I got in with
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all the detached air cells.
I put seven in the hatcher outof 12.
So it is very possible to groweggs or chicks on detached air
cells.
Okay?
When I put them in the hatchingbasket, I still left them
upright.
I did not lay them on their sidebecause you don't want that air
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cell to shift.
The egg has already been damagedbetween the shell and the
membrane.
That's where the air is.
I didn't want to risk.
The air moving away from whereit needs to be for the chick to
be positioned to hatch.
So I took a plastic egg crateand cut it.
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Well, I mean I keep one, butit's cut to eight eggs and I put
in the hatching basket, put themin there, and they're in the
hatcher right now.
They're destined to hatcher in acouple days.
That's awesome.
Yeah, and you can always hatchupright.
And quite honestly, you know howI learned that they can hatch
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upright.
You guys are gonna laugh.
Forgot to move on to thehatcher.
Had oops moments.
Yeah.
Those oops moments will teachyou a lot of stuff.
Don't change the humidity.
Just go out there one day and,oops, there's chicks in the
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incubator.
Yeah.
I've had, I've had that, oh crapmoments.
Oh, what?
Whoa, what is that noise?
Oh God, I forgot to move on.
And I open it up and likethey're.
Looking at me like, Hey, there'ssome really hardy birds in
there.
And I'm like, alright let's uh,get you guys in the brooder.
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I opened mine the other day andthere was a Turkey pull in the
bottom of it.
I guess the egg.
She must have sat on the egg fora few days and it hatched about
five days early before the restof the eggs, so you know it.
They're not hard.
I think.
I think we tend to overthinkthings.
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I mean, if a chicken can hatchan egg, surely we're smarter
than a chicken, right?
Did I say that out loud?
The thing?
But here's the thing though,when, and, and this is totally
not fair, but when a chickenhatches eggs out in Mother
Nature.
Things aren't perfect.
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Mm-hmm.
The humidity fluctuates likecrazy.
The temperature fluctuates, youknow?
Yes, she's putting a lot of herbody heat on those eggs, but you
got a lot of fluctuation there.
And those are also some of themost hearty, best birds you can
have is ones that are handhatched When you flip that over
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and try to put science into itinstead of mother nature.
You kind of gotta be moreconsistent with the humidity and
not let the temperaturefluctuate as much and it doesn't
work out as good either.
It's crazy.
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Well, let's see, what else didwe leave out on?
Shipped eggs.
Use the same temperature thatyou would always use.
37.8 Celsius.
I was reading, you know, mypastime is to read science
papers.
Did you know that even a degreeoff can cause issues with the
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chick, like mortality, highermortality or development issues.
I've heard anything from highermortality to early hatches.
Or no hatches at all.
So if they hatch, according tothis paper that I was reading,
if they hatch too early, thentheir growth rate will actually
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be harmed like up to six weeks.
So 37.82 or two.
37.8 is ideal, and that is theincubator temperature.
Um, because all the stuff goingon in the egg yolk is creating
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its own heat inside of the egg,which explains why pregnant
people are always hot.
I wouldn't know.
Yeah, I, I don't think youwould.
Okay, let's see.
Let me look at my outline here.
Make sure I didn't missanything.
Um, we did hatch rates.
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I think we're good.
I think we hit everything.
I mean, somebody, people can goto branch roos.com.
There is a free ebook onhatching shift ads.
Oh yeah, I did do that.
I actually have an entire pageon my website with a masterclass
video for free.
Um, brian spruce.com/incubatingso you can get more there.
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And I gotta say this folks, alot of the better breeders that
do ship hatching eggs, they willship you a little pamphlet, some
notes, some tips.
Things that they've learned bethat their eggs hatch best with.
And you know, nobody's gonnaknow how a breeder's eggs hatch
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better than that breeder.
So if they send you a pamphlet,don't rely heavily on Google or
a lot of the Facebook groupsbecause there's a lot of
misinformation.
A lot of those go with what thebreeder said, or read the
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directions on your incubator.
See what it says because, andpractice on cheaper eggs.
Yeah.
Don't let your first set ofhatching eggs be a$250 a dozen
set of eggs.
Well, oops.
So you wanna hear my story on myfirst shipped eggs?
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Mine was$250 dozen hatchingeggs, and I was glad because a
guy sent me 15 eggs and 12 ofthem did hatch.
But I was told by a lot ofpeople that was very stupid
because that almost never worksout that well.
Yeah, so when I was trying toget started with cos I ordered a
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dozen, nothing hatched.
She sent me another dozen andone hatched.
It lived for a day.
It was very puny and had issuesand it died.
So I had nothing to show for myhundreds of dollars, so I ended
up buying a trio.
It worked out better for me inthe end.
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I do recommend people to startwith live birds.
Like started a started trio orsomething.
Yeah.
I mean, it depends on whatyou're doing.
If you're just, if you're justwanting some birds in your
backyard and you don't care whatthey are, I mean, just try to
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find something local.
But if you're trying to do aspecialty bird.
Um, like the coachings you know,I had, ordering in the trio was
the best choice I could havemade.
It was spendy, but they werelive and I got so much off of
them that it, you know, it savedme money in the end.
Yeah.
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We actually did a podcast awhile back about that exact
topic on what to start with andwhere to get your foundation
that people could go back andreference if they're looking at
getting into a particular breed.
Um, because we talked about somesuccess stories and some
nightmares.
Yep.
Oh, I did think of one thingthat's not in my outline.
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Since shipped eggs are, let'ssay 50%, always order double
what you want.
Yeah.
If you have a certain number,like if you want to hatch out 12
eggs.
Go ahead and order two dozen.
Yeah.
And then assume that half ofthem are gonna be males.
Yeah.
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So if you want three hens, yougotta order a lot.
Look, I've had it happen whereI've hatched out and had
predominantly females and getreally excited, and I take eggs
from the same set of birds andI'm like, I got a lot of hens
last time.
Get a lot of hens again, this isgonna be nice.
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And I wind up with like two hensout of a hundred.
Yeah.
Yep.
Nature will do what naturewants.
Mm-hmm.
Proven facts.
Yep.
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Hey poultry nerds.
We are back today with alistener request.
We're starting to get more ofthose and that makes it easy and
exciting to come up withsubjects.
I mean, I'm gonna be honest, Ireally enjoy doing the podcast,
but sometimes.
Like the hardest part about itis what do we talk about?
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Mm-hmm.
But that's also a great idea fora future podcast because if
you're curious, chances are alot of other people are too.
Yes.
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So today's request is how tohatch shipped eggs.
They do that.
Well, I mean, I've shipped a fewthis year, so it's possible to
hatch out shipped eggs.
There are some nuances to it, sowe're gonna kind of go through
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this step by step.
And I have an outline and we'llsee if we can stick to it.
I think we can.
I bet we don't.
Well, but I mean, there's someinteresting stories behind some
of these.
That we've gotten and you know,I've seen a lot of stuff on some
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of the groups and there's onethat, I'm not gonna mention its
name, but it's primarily achicken group.
And like some of the stuffpeople say is just really
outlandish and they're like, I'man expert.
Mm-hmm.
I have a veterinarianbackground, like I look at your
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Facebook history for the last I.
Four years you have a dog.
Not sure how that relates topoultry or etching shipped eggs
or whatever, but.
I appreciate you.
I think this is one of thosethings that social media added
to Amazon.
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On demand stuff, you can becomean expert pretty quickly and,
and incubating eggs takes somepractice.
I mean, it took me.
It took me a couple years.
I mean, I started with garbageincubators and worked my way up
to what I have now and anincubator.
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Quality plays a huge role in, inbeing successful.
I mean, there's, there's lots ofkeys.
My favorite post, what, and Ilove this.
What's the best incubator I canget?
For under$50 and I'm like, inthe world of incubators, the
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best and under$50 aren't in thesame sentence.
There may be a 50 with one ortwo digits in front of it.
You know, you could work withthat.
There's a caveat there though,if you understand the process
and you have experience.
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You could incubate in a cheapincubator.
You can, and I've done itsuccessfully.
Like I, a lot of people give mecrap for my$75 van popups, but
you know, when Terry showed ushow to use that on C Turner's
corner, I was like, Hey, here'sa cheap one for projects.
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I can use this for small batchtest hatching because you know,
the way I look at it.
If a lot of my customers areusing something like this, then
you know, if I put a set of eggsin it every so often and try it,
then that lets me know, Hey, Idon't need my, let's not admit
how much we spend on ourincubators.
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This one will work.
So I use that for testing and ifyou follow the instructions that
come with it.
For some that might be a crazystretch.
Be careful, but because when Igot this Van Poppo, it was, you
know, they come to the thestyrofoam and my first thought
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was, let me chunk it.
But if you actually read theinstructions, it tells you to
set it over the dome because ithelps insulate it so it can
regulate the temperature and thehumidity better.
So, I mean, I know as guys forus to read instructions, it's
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kind of tough sometimes andthere weren't any pictures with
it, but.
You ordered some eggs, theyarrived.
What do you do?
Well, let's back up for just aminute'cause there's a lot more
that goes into play there thanjust ordering some eggs from
Yahoo on eBay.
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Which I'm on eBay, so you know,I'm a Yahoo too.
Okay, so first of all, you'vegot to make sure that the
breeder you're ordering from hasthe proper genetics and that
you're comfortable that theyknow what they're talking about,
that they feed their breedersproper nutrition, because the
chick is going to grow with thenutrition in the egg yolk.
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Mm-hmm.
And if they don't have what theyneed, they're not gonna grow
well.
How is the shipper shipping theeggs?
How are they packaging them?
Because if they're putting themin a Ziploc bag, in a bubble
envelope, just, you know, sendus that money in that tip jar
because that's about as good asit's gonna get right there.
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And I have seen, oh, what aboutpacking used in a regular egg
card, like what you get from thegrocery store with packing
peanuts or saw dust?
I've seen one.
I've seen wood shavings.
Somebody said I had a bad hatchrate and I don't know why.
And I was like, show us picturesof the process.
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And they were like, well, when Igot the eggs, they looked like
this and then this and this andthis.
They showed some pictures ofcandle and stuff and I was like
you ordered the problem is theway those things were shipped.
I don't, because like when Iread it, everything the person
did.
They, they did, right?
But they ordered eggs that wereshipped in an egg carton and
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sawdust.
So assuming that you weresatisfied with the previous
checklist of genetics,nutrition, and shipping methods,
now the eggs have been turnedover to the post office or UPS,
but you're not supposed to ship'em.
UPS.
So are they thrown, are theyjostled?
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Do they go up in a plane?
Do they go over a mountainbecause altitude matters?
And what is the temperature?
Because they're not teleportedfrom, say, my barn to your
kitchen.
They actually go in a truck andwe see commercials this time of
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year.
You know, don't leave your dogin the car, your baby in the car
because the car temperature cango up.
I think they're saying 40degrees now.
When I was a kid it was like 20or 30 degrees.
So let's just say today it was ahundred here, so that means it's
140 in the back of a semi truck.
Going down the road.
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So are your eggs, you know,protected from that 140 degree
heat going down the road?
Or in January when the Arcticfreezes come through, did the
eggs get frozen while they weregoing down the road?
So you've got to get temperatureinto play on that.
So you've got a lot of thingshappening to those eggs before
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you ever put your hands on them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And were they, I think a lot ofpeople say that if you get a
hatch rate over 50% on hatchedon shipped eggs, then you should
consider yourself doing good.
Yes.
I believe that that is theindustry standard at this point.
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I think for a while people justsaid that, but the more I pay
attention, I think 50% is theaverage.
And honestly, that's because shhatching shipped eggs is from
zero to a hundred, so the middleis 50.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Kinda makes sense.
If I ship some eggs to you.
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You're one state over then, youknow, I may wind up with a 75 or
80% hatch rate, but if I shippedsome eggs to somebody that say,
lived in Washington State, they,they probably did go through an
X-ray machine.
They probably did go through analtitude change on an airplane
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because I would ship them towhere they would need to get
there within one or two days.
Or, you know, they're in theback of an 18 wheeler for a
really long period of time, sothey kind of already started the
incubation process.
Well, and that was somethingelse that I skipped over.
Um, how old are the eggs whenthey're shipped out?
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Yeah.
So you've gotta keep all ofthose things in mind.
Supposedly that viability startsdropping at 10 days.
We should aim for seven days.
That does not mean at day 10,they're breakfast.
Eggs.
That just simply means that yourchances are starting to get
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slimmer and slimmer of havinggood, healthy chicks become
hatched.
That's what that simply means.
Okay, so let's just say all ofthat and now you've got your
eggs in your hot little hand.
Okay.
If it's winter time, and this isgonna go for any species, if it
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is winter time and it is coldoutside, you are going to set
the eggs pointy side down atroom temperature for 12 ish
hours.
You're bringing them.
Up to room temperature slowly.
That's the point of this.
You've got an air cell in thetop fat end of that egg, which
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we're gonna talk about more injust a minute, and you're kinda
letting the eggs acclimate wherethey got, maybe got cold in
during shipping, you know thatkind stuff then.
And sometimes like I've seeneggs that the box looked like
they got bored at the terminaland played soccer with them.
So you're gonna want the A cellsto come back together and be
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solid again before you stickthem in the incubator if you
can.
Yeah.
Now if it's hot like it is rightnow, incubate.
It's very possible theincubation has started inside
the truck.
Think about it, it's a hundreddegrees.
Okay?
So what you're gonna wanna do isyou're gonna wanna take those
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eggs and put them in theincubator with the turner off
for the 12 hours.
Yep.
Because you're still settlingthe egg because you, because
you're setting it without theturner, but you're not cooling
it to room temperature and thengonna try to incubate it.
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It is already started in the ahundred degree truck, or a
hundred degree plus truck.
Now you're going to put it rightback in the incubator.
Leave the turner off.
Okay?
And talk about Turner's for aminute.
This is gonna, this might offendsomebody, you know?
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I mean, sometimes people don'tlike the truth.
Okay.
I am convinced 100% the eggsneed to be rotated, not rolled.
Now, I'm going to go back forjust a minute.
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If it's your own eggs, I don'tcare.
Do whichever you want to.
If you are buying, shipped eggs,they need to be.
Rotated like tipped, not rolled,like on their side and the
machine goes around in a circle.
I just, and that's gonna comeback into play when we talk
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about the air cells.
But if you are in the market tobuy an incubator because you're
going to order shipped eggs.
Get one where the eggs stand up,pointy side down instead of
rolled like in a circle.
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They come both ways.
I don't wanna mention namebrands.
I don't know that it matters.
Can we talk about name brands onhere?
I mean, ain't nobody sponsoringus.
Okay, so if you're doing shippedeggs, don't do an HI 360.
If you're gonna do somethinglike the Maddie Kix or the CIAs
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or the hatching times orsomething where the eggs stand
up in an egg rack or a cradle,something along those lines.
Okay, now let's talk about thedetached air cells.
Now you guys are gonna havehomework today.
If you have never done this, youneed to do it, especially do it
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with your kids.
It's interesting.
All right.
I want you to take an egg thatyou're going to eat and candle
it, and it can be a fresh egg,but one that's like a week or
two or even older would beeasier or do both if you have
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access to both.
Um, so you bought from thestore?
Sure.
Like three months old.
Sure.
Okay, so when you candle it,what you're going to see in the
fresh egg, like from thismorning egg, is you're not
really gonna see a whole lot.
It's just gonna be kind ofclear.
You are not really gonna see anair cell, it's just an egg,
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right?
Yeah.
Okay.
If you get one that's like.
Store bought egg, it's a couplemonths old.
You're gonna see an air shell atthe top because as the, this is
where the science is gonna comein.
So as the egg ages, it losesmoisture and the egg shell
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breathes air, oxygen, carbondioxide moves through that air
that eggshell.
So that membrane will shrink asthe moisture is lost and you end
up with the air shell at thetop.
That's how it gets there.
Right?
Okay.
So when you candle it, you aregoing to see it and it's gonna
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be about the size of a teaspoonmaybe.
It's not gonna be huge.
It's gonna be kind of small.
Yeah.
All right.
Now after you've seen it, youcan even draw a line to around
it.
If you've never done thisbefore, the line with the pencil
can actually be useful, um,around the air cell.
And you're gonna notice when youtilt the egg, it doesn't move.
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It stays in the fat end.
That's very important to thehomework part.
Okay.
Now, after you're, you've seenit all, you, you understand
where the air cell is andeverything.
Now, I want you to take that eggand I want you to shake the fire
out of it.
I want you to play the, what arethose things that you shake and
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you're doing the, I can'tremember what they're called.
Caracas?
Yeah, something like that.
Pretend you, pretend that you'vegot, what'd you say?
Caracas?
Yeah, Mor Rock, MOOCs something.
So shake those things.
I don't know.
A good 10 seconds.
Okay.
Shake it like a salt shaker.
There you go.
Salt shaker, and then candle itagain.
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That is a detached egg air cell.
I mean a detached air cell.
So you're gonna see bubbles,you're gonna see probably a
couple, three big bubbles.
Um, if it slides all the waydown on the side of the egg,
that's called a saddled airbag,uh, air cell on the side and.
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That has damaged the egg toprobably to the point where it
won't incubate at all.
Because that's, and that's why Isaid do one that you're gonna
eat for breakfast.
'cause you just scrambled it.
Mm-hmm.
But now you understand you havea visual of what you're looking
for.
So now you take your shippedeggs and you're gonna very
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carefully candle them.
We are not shaking them like asalt shaker.
Or the word that we can'tremember what it is.
And so if it's in the fat endand it doesn't move when you
very gently rotate the egg.
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Now remember, let's go back tocandle for just a second.
When you candle eggs, you alwayscandle them pointy side down.
Do not use.
The Candler on the incubatorbecause the very first thing you
have to do to use it is turn theegg upside down.
And that's wrong.
I don't know why they put thoseon there.
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It aggravates me.
So use a, I have an electricCandler, but use anything if
you're in a dark room, it's nothard to see.
But always candle and egg pointinside down.
You don't want to disturb theair cell, the yolk, any of
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those, anything inside that eggany more than it already has
been during shipping.
Okay, so now you're candling itand you're looking at that air
cell.
If it stays in the fat end,that's all the information that
you need.
Put the egg back down.
We don't have to.
Oh, what's the word?
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Geek out on the egg.
Rotate it every which way andreally dissect it.
Do that on a store-Bought egg.
Don't do that on these shippedeggs.
Okay, so just gently put the eggback down.
Now if you get the egg andyou're candling it and the air
cell is broken or saddled.
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You are gonna still set ityou've got the information that
you need, so just put the egg tothe side and you may put an X on
it or something with a pencil.
I mean, I use Sharpies, itdoesn't matter to me, but
whatever, just mark it that thatair cell was detached and put
them in the incubator.
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I had one person say theywouldn't incubate'em, just put
them in the incubator.
Just because the A cell isdetached does not mean it won't
grow.
It means it has a more difficultchance of growing, but it will
still grow.
Now, this is where experiencecomes into play.
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When I got some shipped eggs fora friend, um, actually three
weeks ago today, they're in theHatcher retina Now.
Every single one of the aircells was broken.
Two of them were saddled, and Itexted him and I said, I will
try, but this will take all ofmy skills to get them to grow.
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Okay?
And this is what I did.
I put them in.
My incubator, which I have ahatch in time, so they're
rocking, they're not rotating ontheir sides, and I did not turn
the turn on.
I didn't plug it in for 24hours.
Then I plugged it in and waitedseven days.
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He, I don't typically candle.
He wanted to know how it looked,so I just took the tray out and
put the light on'em.
I did not remove the eggs fromthe trays.
If you're going to candle.
Only do it at day seven.
From day three to day seven, itis very important that the eggs
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are rotated, they're tilted,they're undisturbed.
That's the largest, I don'tknow, the most important days
for growth in an egg.
Okay, is day three to seven andwe're talking about chicken eggs
here, three to seven.
So don't candle before dayseven.
You're not, if you don't knowwhat you're looking at, you're
not gonna see anything anyway.
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And day seven, if you want tocandle.
You want to disturb the egg, theleast amount that you can get
with get by with, and that meansnot turning it upside down on
top of that light on the top ofthe incubator.
That means if you don't evenhave to take'em out of the tray,
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which is what I do, just take myCandler right on top of the egg,
still sitting in the tray andcandle them the only information
that you're looking for.
Is, do you see veins or do yousee something that might
explode?
That's also useful information.
It's a very rare occurrence.
Your nose will not lie to you,so you're not gonna miss it.
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We've all had that happen justback away slowly.
Oh, if you ever do have thathappen, just like our rabbit
hole set session here, if youever do have a stinky bomb in
there and it hasn't explodedyet, put your hand inside of a
plastic bag from wherever.
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Just grab the egg very gentlyand.
Put it inside the bag, tie itup, because the second it gets
any kind of pressure on it, likeyou said on the table or
something, it's gonna explode.
So take it straight outside.
If it is oozing and it has stuckto the Turner, you move all the
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good eggs and you take the wholething outside and then you clean
it and bring it back in.
That's how you get rid of astink bomb.
Okay.
Where was I don't Don't try topick it up.
Yeah, don't try to pick it up.
If it's stuck, don't try tounstick it inside the house.
Okay.
So where was it?
Oh, candle in.
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So they're in the turner.
Hopefully you've got one wherethey're sitting upright.
You're just simply looking forgrowth.
The air cells should be gettingbigger.
You should see some veins.
Really, you're probably notgonna notice a whole lot more
than that.
Um, if you do have the ring ofdeath, I mean, you could pull
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those.
I am not ever going to tell youto pull anything.
Unless it's just an obviousstink bomb waiting to happen, I
am not one to, unless you'rejust completely outta space for
whatever reason, just leave'em.
There's always a chance thatyou're wrong.
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Just leave them in there, okay?
So that, don't bother them againuntil day 18.
You've got'em upright.
Just let'em do their thing.
These have already had thehardest possible start to life
possible, so just leave themalone to day 18.
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And because you've got'emupright, because you're gently
rocking them, that air still airsack cell has to be in the top
just because of.
Gravity and air pressure.
Right.
Would it be air pressure orgravity?
I don't know which, I mean both.
I guess so, because gravity'sgonna pull one down and the
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pressure will pull the other up.
Of course.
The air up.
Yeah.
Okay.
The as far as the humidity, dowhat you normally do.
I like 40% where I am.
If you decide to go a little bitheavier on the humidity, upright
is always great because it curesa lot of evils.
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It moisture will go down and thechick's head is up.
That way it keeps the chick'shead away from the moisture.
If you've got your humidity toohigh, we'll keep them from
drowning.
It's always a good tip.
Shipped eggs are not okay, sonow you're at day 18.
And just so you know, theseshipped eggs that I got in with
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all the detached air cells.
I put seven in the hatcher outof 12.
So it is very possible to groweggs or chicks on detached air
cells.
Okay?
When I put them in the hatchingbasket, I still left them
upright.
I did not lay them on their sidebecause you don't want that air
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cell to shift.
The egg has already been damagedbetween the shell and the
membrane.
That's where the air is.
I didn't want to risk.
The air moving away from whereit needs to be for the chick to
be positioned to hatch.
So I took a plastic egg crateand cut it.
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Well, I mean I keep one, butit's cut to eight eggs and I put
in the hatching basket, put themin there, and they're in the
hatcher right now.
They're destined to hatcher in acouple days.
That's awesome.
Yeah, and you can always hatchupright.
And quite honestly, you know howI learned that they can hatch
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upright.
You guys are gonna laugh.
Forgot to move on to thehatcher.
Had oops moments.
Yeah.
Those oops moments will teachyou a lot of stuff.
Don't change the humidity.
Just go out there one day and,oops, there's chicks in the
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incubator.
Yeah.
I've had, I've had that, oh crapmoments.
Oh, what?
Whoa, what is that noise?
Oh God, I forgot to move on.
And I open it up and likethey're.
Looking at me like, Hey, there'ssome really hardy birds in
there.
And I'm like, alright let's uh,get you guys in the brooder.
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I opened mine the other day andthere was a Turkey pull in the
bottom of it.
I guess the egg.
She must have sat on the egg fora few days and it hatched about
five days early before the restof the eggs, so you know it.
They're not hard.
I think.
I think we tend to overthinkthings.
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I mean, if a chicken can hatchan egg, surely we're smarter
than a chicken, right?
Did I say that out loud?
The thing?
But here's the thing though,when, and, and this is totally
not fair, but when a chickenhatches eggs out in Mother
Nature.
Things aren't perfect.
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Mm-hmm.
The humidity fluctuates likecrazy.
The temperature fluctuates, youknow?
Yes, she's putting a lot of herbody heat on those eggs, but you
got a lot of fluctuation there.
And those are also some of themost hearty, best birds you can
have is ones that are handhatched When you flip that over
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and try to put science into itinstead of mother nature.
You kind of gotta be moreconsistent with the humidity and
not let the temperaturefluctuate as much and it doesn't
work out as good either.
It's crazy.
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Well, let's see, what else didwe leave out on?
Shipped eggs.
Use the same temperature thatyou would always use.
37.8 Celsius.
I was reading, you know, mypastime is to read science
papers.
Did you know that even a degreeoff can cause issues with the
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chick, like mortality, highermortality or development issues.
I've heard anything from highermortality to early hatches.
Or no hatches at all.
So if they hatch, according tothis paper that I was reading,
if they hatch too early, thentheir growth rate will actually
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be harmed like up to six weeks.
So 37.82 or two.
37.8 is ideal, and that is theincubator temperature.
Um, because all the stuff goingon in the egg yolk is creating
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its own heat inside of the egg,which explains why pregnant
people are always hot.
I wouldn't know.
Yeah, I, I don't think youwould.
Okay, let's see.
Let me look at my outline here.
Make sure I didn't missanything.
Um, we did hatch rates.
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I think we're good.
I think we hit everything.
I mean, somebody, people can goto branch roos.com.
There is a free ebook onhatching shift ads.
Oh yeah, I did do that.
I actually have an entire pageon my website with a masterclass
video for free.
Um, brian spruce.com/incubatingso you can get more there.
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And I gotta say this folks, alot of the better breeders that
do ship hatching eggs, they willship you a little pamphlet, some
notes, some tips.
Things that they've learned bethat their eggs hatch best with.
And you know, nobody's gonnaknow how a breeder's eggs hatch
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better than that breeder.
So if they send you a pamphlet,don't rely heavily on Google or
a lot of the Facebook groupsbecause there's a lot of
misinformation.
A lot of those go with what thebreeder said, or read the
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directions on your incubator.
See what it says because, andpractice on cheaper eggs.
Yeah.
Don't let your first set ofhatching eggs be a$250 a dozen
set of eggs.
Well, oops.
So you wanna hear my story on myfirst shipped eggs?
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Mine was$250 dozen hatchingeggs, and I was glad because a
guy sent me 15 eggs and 12 ofthem did hatch.
But I was told by a lot ofpeople that was very stupid
because that almost never worksout that well.
Yeah, so when I was trying toget started with cos I ordered a
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dozen, nothing hatched.
She sent me another dozen andone hatched.
It lived for a day.
It was very puny and had issuesand it died.
So I had nothing to show for myhundreds of dollars, so I ended
up buying a trio.
It worked out better for me inthe end.
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I do recommend people to startwith live birds.
Like started a started trio orsomething.
Yeah.
I mean, it depends on whatyou're doing.
If you're just, if you're justwanting some birds in your
backyard and you don't care whatthey are, I mean, just try to
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find something local.
But if you're trying to do aspecialty bird.
Um, like the coachings you know,I had, ordering in the trio was
the best choice I could havemade.
It was spendy, but they werelive and I got so much off of
them that it, you know, it savedme money in the end.
Yeah.
(33:37):
We actually did a podcast awhile back about that exact
topic on what to start with andwhere to get your foundation
that people could go back andreference if they're looking at
getting into a particular breed.
Um, because we talked about somesuccess stories and some
nightmares.
Yep.
Oh, I did think of one thingthat's not in my outline.
(33:59):
Since shipped eggs are, let'ssay 50%, always order double
what you want.
Yeah.
If you have a certain number,like if you want to hatch out 12
eggs.
Go ahead and order two dozen.
Yeah.
And then assume that half ofthem are gonna be males.
Yeah.
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So if you want three hens, yougotta order a lot.
Look, I've had it happen whereI've hatched out and had
predominantly females and getreally excited, and I take eggs
from the same set of birds andI'm like, I got a lot of hens
last time.
Get a lot of hens again, this isgonna be nice.
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And I wind up with like two hensout of a hundred.
Yeah.
Yep.
Nature will do what naturewants.
Mm-hmm.
Proven facts.
Yep.
All right.
Well I think I'm done.
Yep.
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If you have any show ideas oranything like that, leave us a
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On Buzz Sprouts where ourpodcast is hosted, and
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I do not know why.
Seems very dumb to me, but wecan't respond.
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