July 31, 2025 • 42 mins
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In this episode of the Poultry Nerds Podcast, we sit down with Whitney from Bissonnette Acres to talk about the Indio Gigante, a massive chicken breed developed in Brazil for meat production and now turning heads in the U.S. for its size, docility, and dinosaur-like appearance. Whitney shares her experience raising these birds, what makes them different from other large fowl like Brahmas or Ayam Cemani, and the importance of proper nutrition, exercise, and selective breeding to avoid leg issues like perna bamba.
We discuss the origin story of this “government chicken,” how to spot a quality Indio Gigante, and ongoing efforts to develop a U.S. breed standard. Whether you’re curious about their blue eggs, their predator-deterring size, or why they need low protein diets and lots of space—this episode delivers all the poultry nerdy details.
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Jennifer (00:00):
Welcome poultry nerds.
We are here with a, with withWhitney, who's going to tell us
all about this chicken that Ican't pronounce.
It's Indio Gigante.
Carey (00:13):
Bless you.
Jennifer (00:14):
Say it again?
Indio Gigante yeah.
That tall chicken with the fatlegs.
Well, no, I wouldn't say thelegs are very fat.
Oh, it's not that there's onethat's got really fat.
Real fat.
Whitney (00:29):
Are
Jennifer (00:30):
you
Whitney (00:30):
talking, are you thinking about the dawn?
Maybe are.
Do you know what I'm talkingabout?
Those big, really short?
Muscular ones with the reallythick legs.
Jennifer (00:40):
Maybe that's the one I'm thinking of.
Whitney (00:42):
Yeah.
Um, no, but the Indio antes aretall.
Jennifer (00:46):
So you have bean pole chickens.
Whitney (00:48):
Yeah, you could say.
So tall, muscular.
Jennifer (00:52):
How tall are they?
Whitney (00:53):
Okay, so they actually come from Brazil and they were
created by the Braziliangovernment as an affordable
protein meat source for thepeople.
Uh, and not too long ago,actually, just in the 1980s.
So they're pretty new.
They're pretty new, but um.
They created them by adding in abunch of different Malloy type
(01:14):
birds and crossing them to ahigher like egg and meat
production.
Bird kind of rumor is PlymouthRock and Rhode Island red.
But again, there's not too muchclarity on that on the internet.
It's hard to get a straightanswer on that one.
Carey (01:32):
That's'cause you got some of them government chickens.
Whitney (01:35):
Yeah.
It's government chickens, right?
Hush hush chickens.
Alright, let's back
Jennifer (01:37):
up for just a minute.
So tell everybody who you are.
Whitney (01:40):
Oh, I'm sorry.
I, that's
Jennifer (01:41):
okay.
Whitney (01:43):
Do you wanna, do we wanna start this over again?
People like the
Jennifer (01:47):
name, people like our, I mean, conversation.
Carey (01:50):
I feel like they should recognize her voice.
Jennifer (01:53):
Me?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You, oh yeah.
Your reels are famous,
Carey (01:57):
but they, they really are.
Jennifer (01:59):
Oh, but this way, I have no idea.
Whitney (02:00):
Seriously.
Jennifer (02:01):
This way everybody knows it's not ai and we really
just are people having aconversation.
That's my newest pet peeve.
Where do you wanna start from?
So we're here with Whitney.
Whitney, introduce yourself.
Hey,
Whitney (02:16):
it's Whitney from BizNet Acres.
Uh, thank you for having me.
I appreciate the opportunity tochit chat.
Jennifer (02:24):
And you're, you're in
Whitney (02:26):
Arkansas?
Yep, I'm in central Arkansas.
Jennifer (02:29):
Okay.
And how long have you beenraising this bird and what else
do you have?
Whitney (02:35):
Okay, well, I've been raising Indios for about two
years now, so they're very.
Very new to me.
Still, I'm still learning asmuch as I can.
Um, my main breed that I workwith is I am Chimani.
Uh, I've been working with themfor close to seven years.
Then we have modeled Brahma andAmerican white breasts, and we
have some silkies that are justpets because yeah, I cannot get
(02:58):
their breeding program off theground to save my life, so
that's okay.
You know, it, it
Carey (03:03):
makes me so proud to hear another person say, I am samani
correctly.
Whitney (03:10):
Oh, there's a lot of debate about that one.
I've gotten a lot of flack onboth sides.
I mean, chii is technically theway that you would pronounce it
in Indonesia.
That's how they would pronouncethe C as a ch.
But I mean, if you really wannaget into it, there's not
necessarily a right or wrong wayto say it.
Samani would be more so how wewould read it and pronounce it.
(03:34):
It's just.
Whatever you're most comfortablewith.
I do flip flop sometimes, but Ihave worked really hard to stick
with chimani, so
Carey (03:43):
I'm gonna say this.
If it's your bird, you should beable to call it what you want
to.
Whitney (03:46):
Yeah, or just call it ac, but worst case scenario,
just say ac.
You're good.
Like some
Carey (03:50):
people get really hot and bothered about that.
Whitney (03:52):
No, I agree with that.
I.
I'm nervous talking about it.
It's a touchy subject.
Jennifer (04:00):
Well, we, they can't talk back to us in a podcast
form, so we can say whatever wewant to at this point.
Yeah,
Whitney (04:07):
but they can comment.
No, I'm just kidding.
I know,
Jennifer (04:08):
right?
They'll email us later.
Okay, so the Indigo Indio inde.
Okay, so I've seen you measurethem with your daughter, right.
Uhhuh, you kind of lay'em outand spread'em out on the
measuring tape.
Whitney (04:26):
Yeah.
So they're known as the world'stallest chicken.
Mm-hmm.
Which is true, they are, butit's kind of, I don't know if it
was like lost in translation orif it just ended up being.
Like a way to hype them up, youknow what I mean by saying
tallest?
Because technically they'remeasured based off their length,
(04:48):
not necessarily their height.
So when this breed wasdiscovered to be so tall or so
long, the Brazilians ended upmeasuring them from the very tip
of their beak to the end oftheir middle toe.
So they lay them out flat on theground and they stretch them out
as long as they can, and that'show they go based off of their
(05:09):
measurement.
As opposed to just standingflatfooted.
Does that make sense?
Okay.
Yeah.
Because yeah,
Jennifer (05:15):
it does.
And I'm, and I'm visualizinggoing out there and taking my
big orpington and telling hardto lay down.
It's like a bedroom hard part.
Carey (05:23):
Alright, Jennifer, so picture this.
She has Nigerian dwarfs.
Jennifer (05:28):
Oh gosh.
Carey (05:29):
Okay.
So her chickens are bigger thanher goats.
Jennifer (05:35):
They are.
Carey (05:37):
Oh my
Jennifer (05:37):
gosh.
Wow.
I don't think JC would lay downwillingly.
Whitney (05:44):
I mean, you'd be surprised.
Like sometimes they just kind ofgive up.
It's such a new experience thatthey're like, okay,
Jennifer (05:54):
so the one I saw you measuring, wasn't he like 38 ish
inches?
If memory serves,
Whitney (06:00):
um, I've measured quite a few, our largest stag right
now, which they also refer tothe males as stags.
Um, he is just at 42 inchesright now.
His name's Enoch and weabsolutely love him.
He's fantastic.
He is 14 months old right now.
Um, and so far.
Working with him.
He's been the biggest one thatwe have produced, so I'm very
(06:24):
happy with him.
And we have a son coming up outof him that he's only, I
believe, eight months right now,and he's almost a 40 inches.
So I'm really excited because hecould easily surpass his father
if he continues to grow in theright direction.
Yeah.
Jennifer (06:41):
So how big do the hens get?
So, I mean, that's.
Whitney (06:46):
That's a tough one.
That's, well, not necessarily,height in general is a tough one
because it's kind of been kindof controversial right now.
There's been like a huge.
Uh, influx of new people gettingexcited about this breed.
I've watched it come in weightsbecause before I got this breed,
I sat on the idea of it for liketwo years.
'cause I saw them and I waslike, oh my gosh, I want this.
(07:09):
I'm a tall person.
I'm almost six foot.
My husband's tall.
We're tall people.
And I was like, yes, I want agiant chicken.
Be like an average chicken.
No.
And so I sat on it and I told myhusband about it and he was
like, no, it's not happening.
Um, and one day I just.
Decided to just order somefinally two years later, but so
(07:29):
there's been these differentwaves and hits where they've
kind of come into the limelightor the spotlight.
And they've come again recentlyand the thing has been
everyone's calling them fourfoot chickens and they don't
actually reach four feet thatoften.
Which is it kind of, in a wayit's good because it's bringing
recognition to the breed, butalso not so much because then it
(07:51):
sounds like a scam when someoneactually does the research and
find out.
So.
If you're going based off of theBrazilian SOP, because they do
have one, their hands are about33 to 34 inches on average,
which is really not that much.
And then their males, theirmales cap out at about 40
(08:12):
inches.
Um,
Carey (08:14):
I mean that's, yeah, that's a three foot tall
chicken.
Whitney (08:17):
But it's not four feet.
Okay.
These things matter.
Carey (08:21):
I'll give you that
Whitney (08:23):
look.
Carey (08:23):
But still, you know, for somebody that's kind of, yeah,
inner city or don't have a lotof land and can't really have
like a grape Pyrenees orsomething to protect their
Whitney (08:36):
little fuzzy
Carey (08:37):
chickens.
Whitney (08:37):
That's true.
Carey (08:38):
I mean, they could get that.
Or people like Jennifer whosehusband say, no, you're not
getting an emu.
That's.
I mean, also one of my
Whitney (08:49):
reasons, also one of my reasons, that's a chicken.
Carey (08:52):
That's a chicken, not a emu.
So
Whitney (08:54):
yeah, the tech, the technicality is there, not
Jennifer (08:58):
aite.
Y'all two are tall and I'm likejust a, like two inches over
five feet.
So you're talking about likeshoulder high chickens here,
Carey (09:08):
Jennifer, just think of this.
While you're sitting, you won'teven have to get outta your
gator to feed'em.
Whitney (09:16):
Oh my gosh, that's so funny.
Like you
Carey (09:17):
can just be sitting in your gator and hold some food
out in your hand and boom,they're perfect.
Whitney (09:23):
Perfect height too.
And that's great for practicing.
Good posture and form.
Yep.
I think you should do it.
Jennifer (09:29):
Oh my goodness.
So what do you, what do youreally do with these birds
though?
Are you eating them?
Whitney (09:37):
Oh, I'm just loving them, eating them.
No, why would I do that?
That's
Jennifer (09:42):
terrible.
No, I mean, that was theirpurpose, right?
Was for me.
Whitney (09:46):
Okay.
So they were created by theBrazilian government in the
early eighties at some point,which that's like I mentioned
before, it's just so hard to getclear information on foreign
breeds sometimes.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, through all thetranslations waiting through
articles.
Sometimes information seems tobe conflicting, but eighties or
(10:06):
nineties, and they were createdby crossing Malloy type breeds,
like, um, Shammo, Malay Aze to aheavier, fuller bird.
And so their goal for that wasto provide the people of Brazil
with affordable food because atthat point their people were not
being.
They weren't, they didn't haveaccess to good protein.
(10:27):
They were starving, essentially.
So they wanted to try to rectifythat crisis at the time.
And so these were, yeah,Brazil's
Carey (10:33):
always really struggled with that.
Whitney (10:35):
They are.
They are.
And they did help.
They really did.
And they were able to give moremeat source and also a higher
egg production'cause they canbe.
Uh, and again, even their SOP iskind of off when you look at the
egg production that they statefor them, it's between 160 eggs
and 250 a year.
That's so wide, right?
(10:56):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I think that has a lot to dowith the fact that they're such
a newer created breed that.
It's still like they haven'tstreamlined that exactly.
But anyway, so they got them tothe public.
They were able to feed thepublic, and these birds
reproduce so much and peoplewere breeding them because the
hens are broody and they'restrong birds.
(11:17):
And then they realized how tallthey were and how long they
were, and they flipped thescript from being a meat and
food bird to a competitivelybred bird for height.
So, I mean, you'll find overthere, there are some people who
still eat them, the coals,right?
But those stags and thosefemales who are really big, they
actually go more towardscompetitive breeding.
(11:39):
I mean, it's huge over there forbreeding these guys and trying
to get them bigger and bigger.
Um, over here you can eat them,but honestly, I'd get more off
my breasts.
I'd get more off my breasts.
It'd be more worth my time toprocess my breasts than eat some
of my ig.
Carey (11:56):
Because their bodies are about like a game fo, right?
Whitney (11:59):
They are.
I imagine if I were to processan ig, it, it would need to be a
crock pot bird, like aew bird.
It just, I feel like they're somuscular and so tough.
You wouldn't, it wouldn't belike, extremely delicious, if
that makes sense.
I mean, they,
Carey (12:17):
they have their purpose.
Whitney (12:18):
I mean, they have their purpose.
Um, they're great for predatorprotection.
Um, they've been really good atrunning off hawks.
They're giant, they're huge, soyou don't get a lot of aerial
predators that want to come intoyour property when you have a
flock of miniature dinosaurs inyour backyard.
But
Jennifer (12:37):
are they fully feathered, like, like from their
head all the way down to theirhawks?
Or is there neck bear?
So
Whitney (12:45):
actually that's interesting.
I've gotten a lot of comments onsome of my videos about, I have
birds that have Enoch, ourlargest male.
He has some feathers missing inhis neck and on his keel bone
and um.
Some on his behind.
And I get a lot of comments allthe time.
People saying, your birds sick.
You need to take care of yourbirds.
You need to treat your birds formites.
(13:06):
I'm like, God, trust, trust me,he's good.
Um, but reviewing the in or theBrazilian, SOP again today, it
popped out to me that on theirchest it actually call calls.
For their chest to be devoid offeathers, specifically on the
keel bone and sometimes on theneck.
Mm-hmm.
This is just a part of the birdbecause it was bred over with a
(13:30):
meat bird and because they dogrow so fast, you notice that
the same thing as like, youknow, Cornish, you see that
often where they just don't havethe feathering there and the
skin is really red.
It's not raw.
It's just, I don't know exactlyhow would you explain that?
I'm sure you, you don't havefeather.
Carey (13:48):
All right, so I'm looking at a video right here, and I'm
gonna try to describe this forour viewers.
So picture a T-Rex, a Game Foul,and a Cornish Cross all
together.
Whitney (14:07):
Yeah, that's about right.
Carey (14:09):
Um, I will say though, their, their feathering is a
little prettier than a Cornishcross.
That might be the T-Rex in themor the gamefowl, I don't know.
There's also
Whitney (14:21):
a long neck in there.
Look how long their necks are.
Carey (14:23):
Look, they're, I mean, the neck could be almost a foot
of the length on the things.
Whitney (14:31):
Yes.
And that's, that's a goal aswell.
That's a goal as well.
A focus with the brain is tohave those long, slender necks,
and a lot of people in Brazilprefer that because the longer
the neck, the more inches, themore length that you get on the
bird.
Jennifer (14:46):
But so sparse feathering would make sense if
they're being bred for meatoriginally.
Originally, yeah.
It makes it easier to pluck
Whitney (14:53):
and that is why you will find that their diet Carey
needs are very important becausethey have the ability to pack on
the pounds so fast like a meatbird.
You have to keep them on lowerprotein and you have to let them
do, uh, exercise as much aspossible because if they start
(15:13):
to eat a higher protein protein.
And they do not get nearly asmuch exercise.
And I tell people all the time,if you want this breed, they
cannot just live in a run.
They cannot just live in a coop.
Like you need to give them amplearea to roam and to move because
as soon as they start packing onthat pound, they can face a
really serious leg problem inBrazil, known as Perma Bamba.
(15:37):
Bamba and what this is, I, Idon't even know exactly what
this is, I'm not sure anyonereally knows exactly what this
is, but essentially that their,their legs just give out.
It's like a lame horse one day.
They just can't give up.
It's not Mars, it's not adisease.
It's really because the bird hasbeen bred.
(15:57):
On two different aspects.
Like you're breeding these birdsfor these long, limber lean legs
and neck, but then their bodystill has that capability of
being so heavy and the two kindof collide and crash.
And then, so a lot of breedersrecommend using.
Calcium, treating them with morecalcium once they hit the
ground, lower the proteinexercise, give them calcium to
(16:20):
strengthen that bone health.
Um, and this does help to anextent, but me personally, I
worked really hard lastgeneration not to treat a lot of
birds with added calcium.
And that may sound cruel, but Iwanted birds who were gonna be
strong.
I wanted birds who weren't goingto rely.
On additional supplementsbecause when shit hits the fan
(16:43):
and I do need to eat my ig, I'mnot gonna have calcium for them.
No, that's,
Carey (16:49):
Hey look, breeding, breeding for hybrid vigor is not
something you're gonna get anobjection to from either one of
us.
Whitney (16:56):
Hey, listen, it was, it was brutal.
It was brutal, especially forthe males because it seems the
larger, the male you get, thegreater your chances are for
seeing that issue, which I mean,of course, but another thing I
noticed too is like payingattention to legs, knock knees
out.
You're obviously, definitelygonna have a problem with per
and Bamba tail set.
(17:16):
If your tail set is way too low,you're gonna have a problem with
that because it affects thehips, it affects the legs, the
joints, everything.
Um, and also.
Exercise is such an importantkey.
I think too many people in thisbreed, I've heard, I mentioned
to some people before they'reasking me what I was doing and I
was like, well, I free range mybirds.
And they're like, you free rangeyour birds.
(17:38):
They cost me$70 a chick.
And I was like, oh yeah, me too.
But like.
They need it, like they deserveto live and to be healthy and
letting them have that, youknow, access to not only
exercise muscle development,bone health, but also all the
nutrients that they can get inthe ground from forging bugs,
(17:59):
everything.
I mean, that alone making thatswitch, I, you will see such a
difference in the healthierbirds, in my opinion.
Um, especially your ig.
So,
Carey (18:09):
well, like, like for me it is, it is really hard for me
to free range a smaller bird,like a Rhode Island red or a
game F because I humanelycapture 30 to 40 raccoons.
Yeah.
Every couple of months when the seasons change, but.
Whitney (18:33):
A larger bird.
You probably could.
Carey (18:35):
I think these, I, I mean, I, I don't see a raccoon trying
to take'em of these out.
Whitney (18:40):
No.
The the thing
Carey (18:42):
down at it and be like, what are you doing?
Yeah, you're gonna be my dinner.
Whitney (18:47):
Yeah, and so I have another way of utilize these
guys is that they are such adocile breed, like my, I add not
only with humans, but with likeother chicken breeds, especially
if you rear'em up with them.
I can free range my grow out pinmuch longer.
I free so.
I free range my grow outs dailyuntil they start showing signs
of maturity, and that's when Ikind of lock'em down and I start
(19:09):
to evaluate who I wanna keep,who I wanna let go, where
they're going.
But because I have these ig, ifI grow them out with my grow
outs, they're so much largerthan everyone else that they're
almost like a built-inbabysitter.
And I have noticed that theother guys.
Listen to them and watch themand that the IG end up calling
the shot.
And it's just very interestingto see how they all work
(19:30):
together, how if there's anykind of threat or any kind of
sign, you know what I'm saying?
It's just, it's been, it's beenvery beneficial to have them
with the grot.
So I try to always have.
Some IG growing out, and I haveone male, him, uh, Enoch son
who's coming up.
He still hasn't even started tocrow, so he still free ranges
every day and all the grow outsstay with him.
(19:51):
And he's like, what?
Like almost 40 inches.
So, I mean, it's been, it'sworked.
It's worked for us.
So what
Jennifer (19:58):
age do they reach maturity?
Whitney (20:00):
Well, I mean it's, I think it's gonna vary because if
you're looking at.
The Brazilian SOP, again, I meanthey say six months for H, seven
months for males.
But I just see, I seedifferences here.
I think our birds in the statesare a little bit different than
what you'll see in Brazil.
Personally, I find that theyhave a later maturity, uh, date.
(20:26):
Um, I feel like my hins reallydon't start laying until seven
or eight months.
A lot like Brahma.
I noticed my bras take a reallylong time to mature, and that
makes sense to me.
You would expect that being alarger bird, generally the
larger breeds mature at a muchslower rate.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and then also, you know, same goes for heights In
(20:46):
Brazil, they have their males 39to 40 inches and they have their
females 33 to 34.
I mean, that's where theirstandard rest, they say you need
to at least get there.
Right.
But in the US we are starting tosee breeders.
Get birds reaching 42 inches andabove.
There is one breeder, uh, IgorSores who's out in Georgia, and
(21:10):
he recently saw a stag thatreached close to 48 inches.
He actually almost made thatfour foot claim, which is
phenomenal.
But, so it's just, it'sinteresting.
I think it's still such a newbreed with so many different
breeds behind it.
That it needs more time to, forus to really narrow down its
(21:33):
definition.
Mm-hmm.
If that makes sense.
Jennifer (21:36):
Well, it would make sense if Brazil is growing them
for another source of protein,then they're not gonna have the
nutrition to feed the birds thatwe would hear.
Whitney (21:46):
Yeah.
And that's true.
But on the other side, Brazilactually has a formulated feed
just for them.
Serious.
Yeah.
For the serious breeders.
But again, I have not been ableto get my hands on what's
actually in that formulatedfeed.
Uh,
Jennifer (22:01):
I
Whitney (22:02):
would like talk
Jennifer (22:02):
to that guy.
I bet he could figure it out.
Whitney (22:04):
I wanna try.
Yeah, he probably could.
Huh?
Um, I wanna, I've been trying tofigure out how to get my hands
on, like, at least like a listof what's in it to see.
Um, I know that's balanced forcalcium, lower protein, but
that's about it.
That's all I know at this point.
Do you
Carey (22:18):
know what it's called?
Whitney (22:20):
Uh, I would have to look it up.
I.
I
Carey (22:24):
you give that and I'll sit, we can come up with, we
might be able to work out atrade.
Whitney (22:30):
Ooh, okay.
I'd be happy to, but yeah.
Jennifer (22:35):
I mean, what kind of wing span, like can they get
themselves up off the ground atall?
Whitney (22:40):
Oh no, barely.
Well, no, I lie.
The males maybe not so much, butthey do have one female that
like, no matter how much I blockthis little like wooden bar
that's in the top tippy cornerof her run, she still gets to it
every night and she roost on it,which I'm surprised'cause it's
about five feet.
So she gets up there pretty danggood.
Uh, males, I have not seen themget up pretty good at all.
(23:02):
She's
Jennifer (23:02):
doing chin up.
Whitney (23:04):
I mean,
Carey (23:05):
they're already 43 feet, three and a half feet up.
Whitney (23:09):
You're right, you're right, you're right.
Well, you
Carey (23:10):
know, Mo, most breeders talk about putting their.
Um, roost like two feet up sotheir birds don't hurt their
legs when they pop down.
So, I mean, they're alreadythere.
Whitney (23:22):
They're already there.
But that is true too.
Another thing that is reallyrecommended because their legs,
you know, once a leg goes out orgets injured because these guys
are so big, you're just kind ofdone for it.
Yeah, that's, that's the
Carey (23:33):
chicken leg right there.
Whitney (23:35):
Yep.
Lowered roosting bars aredefinitely recommended.
I just do, I do cinder blocks.
I do a big two by four throughthem.
I stack two cinder blocks and Ikeep it as low as I can, and
they really don't, for the mostpart, try to go that high except
for, you know, my youngerjuveniles, they will, they'll
push themselves, but it's likeonce they start getting bigger
and start getting like more ofthat weight on them, I don't
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think that they can, likethey're heavy.
They are heavy.
And that's another thing too inBrazil on their standard.
Again, it's saying like 10 to 12pounds for males and six to nine
pounds for females.
That is not what I'm seeinghere.
I need to weigh my guys.
I need to get a scale big enoughfor my guys, but they're heavy.
They are.
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They've got some weight to themand I know.
Again, another breeder said thathe had a female that clocked in
at like 14 pounds, which Itotally believe because while
they may look tall and skinny,that little girth, like they're
little abdomen and stuff, it ispacked.
It is just like so muscular, soheavy.
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It's surprising when you pickthem up.
Jennifer (24:39):
So.
So I just have this envisionmentof your farm.
So people are always asking forthose giant brams and they see
that picture of that braa thatcomes out of that dog house,
that everybody plays it all thetime.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
The big white one.
You've got this big giant bra,then you got this big IG coming
(25:01):
out at you, and then in front ofit, you get your little silky
going.
She has a little
Whitney (25:08):
tiny silky, right.
And you know what?
They all hang.
They all hang just fine.
Um, I mean, well, I mean this,the
Carey (25:18):
silky has a shadow.
Whitney (25:20):
Yeah.
Carey (25:20):
So you know it's always in the shade.
Whitney (25:23):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
It's always shaded.
I mean, when I'm on my offseason, I free range everyone
for the most part together.
I can free range the bras andthe IG and the silkies and all
of the grouts.
I can free range them alltogether and there's no problem.
Everyone hangs out like.
But I also don't keep birdsaround that are aggressive.
(25:44):
That's like my number one thing.
Any sign of it, it's gone Just'cause my children and just
because I like peace.
Mm-hmm.
So do you eat your Kohls?
Um, on occasion, but not veryoften.
I do have a homestead here thatI actually started working with,
uh, because I am Chi and she'scompletely off grid and I ran
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into her one day at the DollarGeneral down the street.
And we got to talking and shewas completely off grid.
And I was telling her I hadchickens and I had these coals,
and if you want, you can justtake them.
And so that's been like.
Ooh, five years now going onthat she just takes everything,
anything that I don't want,anything that doesn't meet the
cut, they go there.
I know that they're not gonna bebred further, and I know that
(26:27):
they're gonna literally put foodon her family's table.
Um, and that just has worked outreally good for me, knowing that
they'll either be kept for eggproduction or they'll feed her
family at the time that it needsto be done.
Mm-hmm.
It's worked out great.
But yeah, no, I also.
Get the heebie-jeebies eating myown Kohls.
(26:47):
Why just edit that one out.
Carey (26:51):
But like, I mean, don't tell anyone
Whitney (26:53):
that it
Carey (26:53):
tastes like chicken.
Whitney (26:55):
I, no, I don't know why.
Okay.
Because I love them still.
Jennifer (27:03):
You know, I'm just gonna say this.
Once their head is off, youcan't tell'em
Whitney (27:06):
apart.
No, that's true.
That's true.
That's true.
That's
Jennifer (27:10):
true.
That's true.
Been there been?
Yep.
Yep.
Okay.
Wow.
Well, are, are, is anybody inthe states working on an SOP for
these birds?
Yeah, so no
Whitney (27:24):
one really right now that I know of, but, uh, I
actually have been in theconversation with a few
breeders.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, Igor Sores and, uh, blueAzo.
And, um, he has.
Some really nice indios as well.
And, uh, we actually have beentalking a lot about trying to
(27:46):
start getting a proposedstandard out there for them, uh,
in the states because we'reseeing a lot of diversity right
now in these birds.
Um, GFF started to release themfirst, and.
Unfortunately just with likethem being so mass produced in
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the US and sent out everywhere.
It just seems like there's a lotof discrepancy in the bird's
types, like in height, size,shape.
You get some that look way morezeal like they're just full
zeal, and you get some that areheavy.
You get some that have no neck.
You get some that are onlyreaching like 36 inches.
That's about the majority thatyou'll see in the United States.
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Here you'll see a lot of peopleworking with other lines that
are not getting nearly as tallas they should be.
And then also on top of that,waddles, waddles are not a part
of the breed.
They should have a doula.
If they're gonna have waddles,they need to only be one
centimeter at most.
They need to have yellow legs.
They, the colors like Samathough, where it does not
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matter.
That's one thing that I reallylike about them after working
with so for so long, is thatthere's some diversity in color.
It's basically whatever you get,you get, which is, that's fine
for me.
It's better than just black.
Uh.
But the problem here, which iswhat we saw with Ani as well, is
that there's just no rules.
(29:10):
Does that, I don't know how toput this nicely.
Mm-hmm.
I'm trying not to step onanyone's toes.
Right.
Um.
There's no, there's noguideline.
It's a free for all.
It's like the wild west.
When you get a new burden,that's a rare exotic bird.
People are gonna pump'em out.
They're gonna try to make asmuch money as they can off of
them.
They are not gonna pay anyrespect to any kind of structure
type or SOP.
(29:30):
And that's something we saw alot with ac and now that we're
getting closer to having our,you know.
Proposed standard accepted goinginto our final qualifying meet
this November, which is amazing.
More people are falling in line.
More people are trying to breedcorrectly, are trying to do the
breed justice because they'regoing to be held accountable
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when you have an actual SOP inthe standard.
And even though IG have onlybeen here, I don't know, maybe
five years, maybe six, they'realready just getting so
completely watered down justfrom like the fad of just like
trying to pump out these fourfoot birds that aren't even
getting close to four foot atthis point.
(30:12):
So a lot of us have been talkingabout trying to really go
through and clean up theBrazilian.
SOP kind of pay homage to it,but also try to clarify certain
aspects.
Like for example, in their SOP,they don't even have a tail set
angle.
Um, and there's a lot of thingsthat are just kind of not very
(30:33):
clear, not like we would see inour SOPs here in states.
So we do wanna try to work onthat.
But again, it is such a longprocess.
You have to, you know, createyour SOP, get that.
Into the a PA, get it approved,start working on it and be able
to prove that you have five a PAbreeders breeding to this SOP
(30:54):
for five years.
And then on top of that, you'regonna have to go through your
additional two years ofqualifying.
I mean, it's not gonna be justfive years.
It would be a lot more thanthat.
I mean, the work that is aheadof us.
But at that point, like there'sno time, like the present time.
Right?
Start now.
Sorry.
Jennifer (31:11):
So if somebody said, you know what, I need some
giant, you know, eye level bge,um, so what would be, where
could they get some, and thenwhat would they look at just as
the bare minimum to know thatthat's what they were getting?
You know, like leg is leg colorat all.
(31:34):
Yeah.
So
Whitney (31:35):
leg color, yellow.
Okay.
You would see yellow in thelegs.
It's, uh, do they have a, Iwould recommend not going to a
large hatchery.
First of all, that would be myfirst step is do not go to a
very large hatchery, not onethat's commercialized.
Uh, because when you go tocommercialized hatcheries, you
tend to see that the actualbreeding is sometimes lost.
(31:59):
Um, but I would go and I wouldrecommend finding a group on
Facebook.
Uh, for example, there's a groupthat's called Raising Indio
Antes in the US that is probablythe largest IG group for the us.
Um, granted you're gonna havebreeders of all.
Backgrounds there of all, youknow, um, either brand new to
(32:21):
the breed flippers, actualbreeders, preservationists, all
the things.
But go in there, start learning,start watching, start reading
through the comments of posts.
Not just posts.
Read the comments.
Get to know the people.
Get to know the breeders, andfind yourself someone to build a
relationship with.
Get to know them before youpurchase from them, because I
(32:42):
mean.
Purchasing chicks.
You can't really tell thequality of a bird until they're
at least close to maturity.
Uh, but you are some.
Definite things you're gonnalook for is leg color, yellow.
You definitely wanna make sureyou get straight toes.
That is a huge issue in thisbreed as well, that a lot of
people will, um, just pass by,is crooked toes.
(33:04):
Always make sure the toes arestraight.
Always make sure you're givingproper vitamins because that too
will cause crooked toes.
Um, you're gonna wanna look forWaddles.
Avoid waddles if you're gonnahave'em.
They should be one cm at most.
You're gonna want a doula.
That's preferable.
Doula is a big piece of skingoing from like the bottom of
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the beak to the neck.
Uh, for those who don't know,kinda like a Turkey.
Like a Turkey.
Yeah, kinda like a Turkey.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a good example.
Um, and.
A very strong, prominent crownand almost that braa snarl to
the face and in the eyes.
Do you know what I'm talkingabout, that angry brow that
(33:45):
Brahmas have?
Beetle brow?
Yes.
You want that?
You want almost that angry lookto the bird.
Um,
Jennifer (33:53):
yeah.
We need a big, giant chickencoming at us.
That angry with an
Whitney (33:57):
angry look.
But the funny thing is they'renot angry.
They're very, very sweet.
But I mean, if you're, yeah, ifyou're wanting to go buy, then
my best recommendation would beto find someone through Facebook
or for through social media.
Avoid a large hatchery if youcan, and try to build a rapport
and a relationship with someone.
If you're serious about this, ifyou really, truly want pure,
(34:18):
good Indio antes, go find abreeder, build a relationship.
But if you just want something.
Yard, lawn ornament, yard candy.
Mm-hmm.
I, I mean, again, you could goto a breeder as well because
they're always gonna have theirKohls.
Yeah.
Their pet qualities.
You know what color eggs do theylay?
(34:39):
Well, they can lay between whiteand cream.
There have been, I know there'ssome that are like more tan and
I have read in the BrazilianSOP, that red is a color.
I'm not exactly sure what thatcolor is, but also blue and
green, and we do have a coupleof lines here in the United
States that were able to bringin that blue and green jean.
(35:02):
I have a hin that lays blue eggsand I am building a freaking
army out of her.
I have hatch so many babies.
And next I'm going to be workingon doing the Blue Egg gene
through, um.
I think I'm gonna go throughKnight's Poultry lab testing.
And so I'm gonna test and try tofind out who's carrying it and
how to breed back and try tohopefully have an entire colored
(35:25):
egg basket through this hen,which, um, not only does she lay
beautiful, gorgeous, huge blueeggs, but she's just, she's
massive.
I mean, her offspring are just,oh my gosh, they're tanks.
Uh, and she's very docile andvery sweet.
But that is something that a lotof people don't know is that
they actually can lay coloredeggs, which is.
A game changer in my opinion.
(35:45):
Uh, when I found out, I waslike, take all my money.
I just need one.
I just need one and I'll make itwork.
Jennifer (35:52):
You've kind of like stumped me on that one, that
there could be such a, a varietyof egg color there.
Whitney (36:00):
And again, I think that's coming from the fact that
it is, and I don't wanna say itin a rude way, but it's kind of
a mutt bird.
I mean, it was just created inthe 1980s.
You're still gonna have so manydifferent genetics at play.
So many different things.
I mean, yeah, because we, yeah.
Somebody,
Carey (36:17):
somebody's gonna have to work with'em, clean'em up, get
'em, right.
That's what I'm saying.
And then they're gonna have toline breed'em for at least five
or six years mm-hmm.
To get that to where it'sconsistent.
Whitney (36:30):
Exactly.
Carrie, and I think that's whatI was trying to explain when I
was talking about setting up anSOP.
Mm-hmm.
Is that like mm-hmm.
It's gonna take like maybe 10years, like to get this bird to
actually be able to like fit asolid SOP because there's so
many different things that youcan see.
For example, they have like fivedifferent accepted comb
(36:51):
varieties, so we gotta narrow itdown.
Right?
Wow.
You know, I'm just saying.
So, so many different things canpop up in them because really
the main true focus.
From my understanding in Brazilfor this breed has been length,
length, height.
(37:11):
Go for it.
That's what they've beenbreeding for.
Uh, long neck, long legs, and aslong of a bird as you can get.
So now with the opportunity thatwe have with them here and with
the dedicated breeders that wehave, we do have that
opportunity to really try tostart.
I don't wanna necessarily saymolding the breed because you
(37:32):
don't want to offend the countryof origin at all.
Right?
Because we appreciate what theydid, we appreciate what they
created.
But I do think like we have thisopportunity to try to refine, to
try to narrow down, to findthose best qualities that will
help preserve the breed and keepit going and to breed more
consistently.
Jennifer (37:52):
Yeah, I can see where, on the flip side, if you don't.
Then there's so much varietythere that it will just forever
be.
Um.
A backyard mix almost.
Whitney (38:04):
I mean, yeah, no, I could definitely see that as
well.
100%.
I mean, don't get me wrong,there is consistency to it.
Mm-hmm.
But because there's so manydifferent genetics at play and
it's so fairly new, you're stillgonna see like these random
grandfather genes pop up.
You're still gonna see thesethings come out.
Um.
Like the comb, ugh, the combskilling me.
I'm trying so hard just to havecushion combs.
(38:25):
That's all I want.
Jennifer (38:27):
I mean, yeah.
I mean, if you're talking aboutthe 1980s, we're only talking
about 40 ish generations here.
That's not that long.
Yeah.
That's not that long at all.
Mm-hmm.
No,
Whitney (38:36):
but you know, it'd be fun to be the one of the first
ones.
Yeah.
You know, to get it going.
And really, they have so muchpotential.
They are such an amazing breed.
So docile, so calm, so big.
Beautiful.
They really.
Make you see.
Okay.
Yeah.
They could be dinosaurs.
I see it.
I definitely see it now.
You know.
Jennifer (38:58):
Well, do you, or you're not selling anything yet,
right?
Whitney (39:01):
No, I have been selling.
Okay.
Right now I'm, it's too hot.
It's too hot right now.
Um, unless we can get on aprivate transport.
But I am also hoarding becauseagain, I've got all those babies
outta my blue hen, so I amtrying to grow them out, find my
best selections, and thenreevaluate what my next
generation's gonna look like.
And then of course, hatch those,evaluate those, and then start
(39:25):
letting some go.
But yeah,
Jennifer (39:28):
tell everybody where they can find you and all the
different places.
Whitney (39:32):
Nope.
Uh, Binet Acres on Facebook isabout the best place to find me
or on TikTok.
You'll find me under WhitneyRose Binette and I try to
produce as much educational andbasic understanding content as I
can to help all those who arejust getting into some of the
breeds that I have to try toshare my.
Journey and my experience, whatI've learned going through it
(39:54):
all, I don't know it all.
I am still learning.
We are all still learning, but Ijust try to share what I come
across to hopefully help others'journeys be a little bit easier.
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer (40:05):
Well, we totally appreciate it and your, you
reels are so fun.
So I enjoy watching'em.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Well, we have enjoyed havingyou.
We'll talk to you soon.
Yes.
Okay.
Thank you so much.
This has been really cool.
Thank you so much for
Whitney (40:19):
having me.
Hope I didn't yak your ear offtoo much.
Nope, you're good.
Welcome poultry nerds.
We are here with a, with withWhitney, who's going to tell us
all about this chicken that Ican't pronounce.
It's Indio Gigante.
Carey (00:13):
Bless you.
Jennifer (00:14):
Say it again?
Indio Gigante yeah.
That tall chicken with the fatlegs.
Well, no, I wouldn't say thelegs are very fat.
Oh, it's not that there's onethat's got really fat.
Real fat.
Whitney (00:29):
Are
Jennifer (00:30):
you
Whitney (00:30):
talking, are you thinking about the dawn?
Maybe are.
Do you know what I'm talkingabout?
Those big, really short?
Muscular ones with the reallythick legs.
Jennifer (00:40):
Maybe that's the one I'm thinking of.
Whitney (00:42):
Yeah.
Um, no, but the Indio antes aretall.
Jennifer (00:46):
So you have bean pole chickens.
Whitney (00:48):
Yeah, you could say.
So tall, muscular.
Jennifer (00:52):
How tall are they?
Whitney (00:53):
Okay, so they actually come from Brazil and they were
created by the Braziliangovernment as an affordable
protein meat source for thepeople.
Uh, and not too long ago,actually, just in the 1980s.
So they're pretty new.
They're pretty new, but um.
They created them by adding in abunch of different Malloy type
(01:14):
birds and crossing them to ahigher like egg and meat
production.
Bird kind of rumor is PlymouthRock and Rhode Island red.
But again, there's not too muchclarity on that on the internet.
It's hard to get a straightanswer on that one.
Carey (01:32):
That's'cause you got some of them government chickens.
Whitney (01:35):
Yeah.
It's government chickens, right?
Hush hush chickens.
Alright, let's back
Jennifer (01:37):
up for just a minute.
So tell everybody who you are.
Whitney (01:40):
Oh, I'm sorry.
I, that's
Jennifer (01:41):
okay.
Whitney (01:43):
Do you wanna, do we wanna start this over again?
People like the
Jennifer (01:47):
name, people like our, I mean, conversation.
Carey (01:50):
I feel like they should recognize her voice.
Jennifer (01:53):
Me?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You, oh yeah.
Your reels are famous,
Carey (01:57):
but they, they really are.
Jennifer (01:59):
Oh, but this way, I have no idea.
Whitney (02:00):
Seriously.
Jennifer (02:01):
This way everybody knows it's not ai and we really
just are people having aconversation.
That's my newest pet peeve.
Where do you wanna start from?
So we're here with Whitney.
Whitney, introduce yourself.
Hey,
Whitney (02:16):
it's Whitney from BizNet Acres.
Uh, thank you for having me.
I appreciate the opportunity tochit chat.
Jennifer (02:24):
And you're, you're in
Whitney (02:26):
Arkansas?
Yep, I'm in central Arkansas.
Jennifer (02:29):
Okay.
And how long have you beenraising this bird and what else
do you have?
Whitney (02:35):
Okay, well, I've been raising Indios for about two
years now, so they're very.
Very new to me.
Still, I'm still learning asmuch as I can.
Um, my main breed that I workwith is I am Chimani.
Uh, I've been working with themfor close to seven years.
Then we have modeled Brahma andAmerican white breasts, and we
have some silkies that are justpets because yeah, I cannot get
(02:58):
their breeding program off theground to save my life, so
that's okay.
You know, it, it
Carey (03:03):
makes me so proud to hear another person say, I am samani
correctly.
Whitney (03:10):
Oh, there's a lot of debate about that one.
I've gotten a lot of flack onboth sides.
I mean, chii is technically theway that you would pronounce it
in Indonesia.
That's how they would pronouncethe C as a ch.
But I mean, if you really wannaget into it, there's not
necessarily a right or wrong wayto say it.
Samani would be more so how wewould read it and pronounce it.
(03:34):
It's just.
Whatever you're most comfortablewith.
I do flip flop sometimes, but Ihave worked really hard to stick
with chimani, so
Carey (03:43):
I'm gonna say this.
If it's your bird, you should beable to call it what you want
to.
Whitney (03:46):
Yeah, or just call it ac, but worst case scenario,
just say ac.
You're good.
Like some
Carey (03:50):
people get really hot and bothered about that.
Whitney (03:52):
No, I agree with that.
I.
I'm nervous talking about it.
It's a touchy subject.
Jennifer (04:00):
Well, we, they can't talk back to us in a podcast
form, so we can say whatever wewant to at this point.
Yeah,
Whitney (04:07):
but they can comment.
No, I'm just kidding.
I know,
Jennifer (04:08):
right?
They'll email us later.
Okay, so the Indigo Indio inde.
Okay, so I've seen you measurethem with your daughter, right.
Uhhuh, you kind of lay'em outand spread'em out on the
measuring tape.
Whitney (04:26):
Yeah.
So they're known as the world'stallest chicken.
Mm-hmm.
Which is true, they are, butit's kind of, I don't know if it
was like lost in translation orif it just ended up being.
Like a way to hype them up, youknow what I mean by saying
tallest?
Because technically they'remeasured based off their length,
(04:48):
not necessarily their height.
So when this breed wasdiscovered to be so tall or so
long, the Brazilians ended upmeasuring them from the very tip
of their beak to the end oftheir middle toe.
So they lay them out flat on theground and they stretch them out
as long as they can, and that'show they go based off of their
(05:09):
measurement.
As opposed to just standingflatfooted.
Does that make sense?
Okay.
Yeah.
Because yeah,
Jennifer (05:15):
it does.
And I'm, and I'm visualizinggoing out there and taking my
big orpington and telling hardto lay down.
It's like a bedroom hard part.
Carey (05:23):
Alright, Jennifer, so picture this.
She has Nigerian dwarfs.
Jennifer (05:28):
Oh gosh.
Carey (05:29):
Okay.
So her chickens are bigger thanher goats.
Jennifer (05:35):
They are.
Carey (05:37):
Oh my
Jennifer (05:37):
gosh.
Wow.
I don't think JC would lay downwillingly.
Whitney (05:44):
I mean, you'd be surprised.
Like sometimes they just kind ofgive up.
It's such a new experience thatthey're like, okay,
Jennifer (05:54):
so the one I saw you measuring, wasn't he like 38 ish
inches?
If memory serves,
Whitney (06:00):
um, I've measured quite a few, our largest stag right
now, which they also refer tothe males as stags.
Um, he is just at 42 inchesright now.
His name's Enoch and weabsolutely love him.
He's fantastic.
He is 14 months old right now.
Um, and so far.
Working with him.
He's been the biggest one thatwe have produced, so I'm very
(06:24):
happy with him.
And we have a son coming up outof him that he's only, I
believe, eight months right now,and he's almost a 40 inches.
So I'm really excited because hecould easily surpass his father
if he continues to grow in theright direction.
Yeah.
Jennifer (06:41):
So how big do the hens get?
So, I mean, that's.
Whitney (06:46):
That's a tough one.
That's, well, not necessarily,height in general is a tough one
because it's kind of been kindof controversial right now.
There's been like a huge.
Uh, influx of new people gettingexcited about this breed.
I've watched it come in weightsbecause before I got this breed,
I sat on the idea of it for liketwo years.
'cause I saw them and I waslike, oh my gosh, I want this.
(07:09):
I'm a tall person.
I'm almost six foot.
My husband's tall.
We're tall people.
And I was like, yes, I want agiant chicken.
Be like an average chicken.
No.
And so I sat on it and I told myhusband about it and he was
like, no, it's not happening.
Um, and one day I just.
Decided to just order somefinally two years later, but so
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there's been these differentwaves and hits where they've
kind of come into the limelightor the spotlight.
And they've come again recentlyand the thing has been
everyone's calling them fourfoot chickens and they don't
actually reach four feet thatoften.
Which is it kind of, in a wayit's good because it's bringing
recognition to the breed, butalso not so much because then it
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sounds like a scam when someoneactually does the research and
find out.
So.
If you're going based off of theBrazilian SOP, because they do
have one, their hands are about33 to 34 inches on average,
which is really not that much.
And then their males, theirmales cap out at about 40
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inches.
Um,
Carey (08:14):
I mean that's, yeah, that's a three foot tall
chicken.
Whitney (08:17):
But it's not four feet.
Okay.
These things matter.
Carey (08:21):
I'll give you that
Whitney (08:23):
look.
Carey (08:23):
But still, you know, for somebody that's kind of, yeah,
inner city or don't have a lotof land and can't really have
like a grape Pyrenees orsomething to protect their
Whitney (08:36):
little fuzzy
Carey (08:37):
chickens.
Whitney (08:37):
That's true.
Carey (08:38):
I mean, they could get that.
Or people like Jennifer whosehusband say, no, you're not
getting an emu.
That's.
I mean, also one of my
Whitney (08:49):
reasons, also one of my reasons, that's a chicken.
Carey (08:52):
That's a chicken, not a emu.
So
Whitney (08:54):
yeah, the tech, the technicality is there, not
Jennifer (08:58):
aite.
Y'all two are tall and I'm likejust a, like two inches over
five feet.
So you're talking about likeshoulder high chickens here,
Carey (09:08):
Jennifer, just think of this.
While you're sitting, you won'teven have to get outta your
gator to feed'em.
Whitney (09:16):
Oh my gosh, that's so funny.
Like you
Carey (09:17):
can just be sitting in your gator and hold some food
out in your hand and boom,they're perfect.
Whitney (09:23):
Perfect height too.
And that's great for practicing.
Good posture and form.
Yep.
I think you should do it.
Jennifer (09:29):
Oh my goodness.
So what do you, what do youreally do with these birds
though?
Are you eating them?
Whitney (09:37):
Oh, I'm just loving them, eating them.
No, why would I do that?
That's
Jennifer (09:42):
terrible.
No, I mean, that was theirpurpose, right?
Was for me.
Whitney (09:46):
Okay.
So they were created by theBrazilian government in the
early eighties at some point,which that's like I mentioned
before, it's just so hard to getclear information on foreign
breeds sometimes.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, through all thetranslations waiting through
articles.
Sometimes information seems tobe conflicting, but eighties or
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nineties, and they were createdby crossing Malloy type breeds,
like, um, Shammo, Malay Aze to aheavier, fuller bird.
And so their goal for that wasto provide the people of Brazil
with affordable food because atthat point their people were not
being.
They weren't, they didn't haveaccess to good protein.
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They were starving, essentially.
So they wanted to try to rectifythat crisis at the time.
And so these were, yeah,Brazil's
Carey (10:33):
always really struggled with that.
Whitney (10:35):
They are.
They are.
And they did help.
They really did.
And they were able to give moremeat source and also a higher
egg production'cause they canbe.
Uh, and again, even their SOP iskind of off when you look at the
egg production that they statefor them, it's between 160 eggs
and 250 a year.
That's so wide, right?
(10:56):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I think that has a lot to dowith the fact that they're such
a newer created breed that.
It's still like they haven'tstreamlined that exactly.
But anyway, so they got them tothe public.
They were able to feed thepublic, and these birds
reproduce so much and peoplewere breeding them because the
hens are broody and they'restrong birds.
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And then they realized how tallthey were and how long they
were, and they flipped thescript from being a meat and
food bird to a competitivelybred bird for height.
So, I mean, you'll find overthere, there are some people who
still eat them, the coals,right?
But those stags and thosefemales who are really big, they
actually go more towardscompetitive breeding.
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I mean, it's huge over there forbreeding these guys and trying
to get them bigger and bigger.
Um, over here you can eat them,but honestly, I'd get more off
my breasts.
I'd get more off my breasts.
It'd be more worth my time toprocess my breasts than eat some
of my ig.
Carey (11:56):
Because their bodies are about like a game fo, right?
Whitney (11:59):
They are.
I imagine if I were to processan ig, it, it would need to be a
crock pot bird, like aew bird.
It just, I feel like they're somuscular and so tough.
You wouldn't, it wouldn't belike, extremely delicious, if
that makes sense.
I mean, they,
Carey (12:17):
they have their purpose.
Whitney (12:18):
I mean, they have their purpose.
Um, they're great for predatorprotection.
Um, they've been really good atrunning off hawks.
They're giant, they're huge, soyou don't get a lot of aerial
predators that want to come intoyour property when you have a
flock of miniature dinosaurs inyour backyard.
But
Jennifer (12:37):
are they fully feathered, like, like from their
head all the way down to theirhawks?
Or is there neck bear?
So
Whitney (12:45):
actually that's interesting.
I've gotten a lot of comments onsome of my videos about, I have
birds that have Enoch, ourlargest male.
He has some feathers missing inhis neck and on his keel bone
and um.
Some on his behind.
And I get a lot of comments allthe time.
People saying, your birds sick.
You need to take care of yourbirds.
You need to treat your birds formites.
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I'm like, God, trust, trust me,he's good.
Um, but reviewing the in or theBrazilian, SOP again today, it
popped out to me that on theirchest it actually call calls.
For their chest to be devoid offeathers, specifically on the
keel bone and sometimes on theneck.
Mm-hmm.
This is just a part of the birdbecause it was bred over with a
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meat bird and because they dogrow so fast, you notice that
the same thing as like, youknow, Cornish, you see that
often where they just don't havethe feathering there and the
skin is really red.
It's not raw.
It's just, I don't know exactlyhow would you explain that?
I'm sure you, you don't havefeather.
Carey (13:48):
All right, so I'm looking at a video right here, and I'm
gonna try to describe this forour viewers.
So picture a T-Rex, a Game Foul,and a Cornish Cross all
together.
Whitney (14:07):
Yeah, that's about right.
Carey (14:09):
Um, I will say though, their, their feathering is a
little prettier than a Cornishcross.
That might be the T-Rex in themor the gamefowl, I don't know.
There's also
Whitney (14:21):
a long neck in there.
Look how long their necks are.
Carey (14:23):
Look, they're, I mean, the neck could be almost a foot
of the length on the things.
Whitney (14:31):
Yes.
And that's, that's a goal aswell.
That's a goal as well.
A focus with the brain is tohave those long, slender necks,
and a lot of people in Brazilprefer that because the longer
the neck, the more inches, themore length that you get on the
bird.
Jennifer (14:46):
But so sparse feathering would make sense if
they're being bred for meatoriginally.
Originally, yeah.
It makes it easier to pluck
Whitney (14:53):
and that is why you will find that their diet Carey
needs are very important becausethey have the ability to pack on
the pounds so fast like a meatbird.
You have to keep them on lowerprotein and you have to let them
do, uh, exercise as much aspossible because if they start
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to eat a higher protein protein.
And they do not get nearly asmuch exercise.
And I tell people all the time,if you want this breed, they
cannot just live in a run.
They cannot just live in a coop.
Like you need to give them amplearea to roam and to move because
as soon as they start packing onthat pound, they can face a
really serious leg problem inBrazil, known as Perma Bamba.
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Bamba and what this is, I, Idon't even know exactly what
this is, I'm not sure anyonereally knows exactly what this
is, but essentially that their,their legs just give out.
It's like a lame horse one day.
They just can't give up.
It's not Mars, it's not adisease.
It's really because the bird hasbeen bred.
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On two different aspects.
Like you're breeding these birdsfor these long, limber lean legs
and neck, but then their bodystill has that capability of
being so heavy and the two kindof collide and crash.
And then, so a lot of breedersrecommend using.
Calcium, treating them with morecalcium once they hit the
ground, lower the proteinexercise, give them calcium to
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strengthen that bone health.
Um, and this does help to anextent, but me personally, I
worked really hard lastgeneration not to treat a lot of
birds with added calcium.
And that may sound cruel, but Iwanted birds who were gonna be
strong.
I wanted birds who weren't goingto rely.
On additional supplementsbecause when shit hits the fan
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and I do need to eat my ig, I'mnot gonna have calcium for them.
No, that's,
Carey (16:49):
Hey look, breeding, breeding for hybrid vigor is not
something you're gonna get anobjection to from either one of
us.
Whitney (16:56):
Hey, listen, it was, it was brutal.
It was brutal, especially forthe males because it seems the
larger, the male you get, thegreater your chances are for
seeing that issue, which I mean,of course, but another thing I
noticed too is like payingattention to legs, knock knees
out.
You're obviously, definitelygonna have a problem with per
and Bamba tail set.
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If your tail set is way too low,you're gonna have a problem with
that because it affects thehips, it affects the legs, the
joints, everything.
Um, and also.
Exercise is such an importantkey.
I think too many people in thisbreed, I've heard, I mentioned
to some people before they'reasking me what I was doing and I
was like, well, I free range mybirds.
And they're like, you free rangeyour birds.
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They cost me$70 a chick.
And I was like, oh yeah, me too.
But like.
They need it, like they deserveto live and to be healthy and
letting them have that, youknow, access to not only
exercise muscle development,bone health, but also all the
nutrients that they can get inthe ground from forging bugs,
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everything.
I mean, that alone making thatswitch, I, you will see such a
difference in the healthierbirds, in my opinion.
Um, especially your ig.
So,
Carey (18:09):
well, like, like for me it is, it is really hard for me
to free range a smaller bird,like a Rhode Island red or a
game F because I humanelycapture 30 to 40 raccoons.
Yeah.
Every couple of months when the seasons change, but.
Whitney (18:33):
A larger bird.
You probably could.
Carey (18:35):
I think these, I, I mean, I, I don't see a raccoon trying
to take'em of these out.
Whitney (18:40):
No.
The the thing
Carey (18:42):
down at it and be like, what are you doing?
Yeah, you're gonna be my dinner.
Whitney (18:47):
Yeah, and so I have another way of utilize these
guys is that they are such adocile breed, like my, I add not
only with humans, but with likeother chicken breeds, especially
if you rear'em up with them.
I can free range my grow out pinmuch longer.
I free so.
I free range my grow outs dailyuntil they start showing signs
of maturity, and that's when Ikind of lock'em down and I start
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to evaluate who I wanna keep,who I wanna let go, where
they're going.
But because I have these ig, ifI grow them out with my grow
outs, they're so much largerthan everyone else that they're
almost like a built-inbabysitter.
And I have noticed that theother guys.
Listen to them and watch themand that the IG end up calling
the shot.
And it's just very interestingto see how they all work
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together, how if there's anykind of threat or any kind of
sign, you know what I'm saying?
It's just, it's been, it's beenvery beneficial to have them
with the grot.
So I try to always have.
Some IG growing out, and I haveone male, him, uh, Enoch son
who's coming up.
He still hasn't even started tocrow, so he still free ranges
every day and all the grow outsstay with him.
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And he's like, what?
Like almost 40 inches.
So, I mean, it's been, it'sworked.
It's worked for us.
So what
Jennifer (19:58):
age do they reach maturity?
Whitney (20:00):
Well, I mean it's, I think it's gonna vary because if
you're looking at.
The Brazilian SOP, again, I meanthey say six months for H, seven
months for males.
But I just see, I seedifferences here.
I think our birds in the statesare a little bit different than
what you'll see in Brazil.
Personally, I find that theyhave a later maturity, uh, date.
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Um, I feel like my hins reallydon't start laying until seven
or eight months.
A lot like Brahma.
I noticed my bras take a reallylong time to mature, and that
makes sense to me.
You would expect that being alarger bird, generally the
larger breeds mature at a muchslower rate.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and then also, you know, same goes for heights In
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Brazil, they have their males 39to 40 inches and they have their
females 33 to 34.
I mean, that's where theirstandard rest, they say you need
to at least get there.
Right.
But in the US we are starting tosee breeders.
Get birds reaching 42 inches andabove.
There is one breeder, uh, IgorSores who's out in Georgia, and
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he recently saw a stag thatreached close to 48 inches.
He actually almost made thatfour foot claim, which is
phenomenal.
But, so it's just, it'sinteresting.
I think it's still such a newbreed with so many different
breeds behind it.
That it needs more time to, forus to really narrow down its
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definition.
Mm-hmm.
If that makes sense.
Jennifer (21:36):
Well, it would make sense if Brazil is growing them
for another source of protein,then they're not gonna have the
nutrition to feed the birds thatwe would hear.
Whitney (21:46):
Yeah.
And that's true.
But on the other side, Brazilactually has a formulated feed
just for them.
Serious.
Yeah.
For the serious breeders.
But again, I have not been ableto get my hands on what's
actually in that formulatedfeed.
Uh,
Jennifer (22:01):
I
Whitney (22:02):
would like talk
Jennifer (22:02):
to that guy.
I bet he could figure it out.
Whitney (22:04):
I wanna try.
Yeah, he probably could.
Huh?
Um, I wanna, I've been trying tofigure out how to get my hands
on, like, at least like a listof what's in it to see.
Um, I know that's balanced forcalcium, lower protein, but
that's about it.
That's all I know at this point.
Do you
Carey (22:18):
know what it's called?
Whitney (22:20):
Uh, I would have to look it up.
I.
I
Carey (22:24):
you give that and I'll sit, we can come up with, we
might be able to work out atrade.
Whitney (22:30):
Ooh, okay.
I'd be happy to, but yeah.
Jennifer (22:35):
I mean, what kind of wing span, like can they get
themselves up off the ground atall?
Whitney (22:40):
Oh no, barely.
Well, no, I lie.
The males maybe not so much, butthey do have one female that
like, no matter how much I blockthis little like wooden bar
that's in the top tippy cornerof her run, she still gets to it
every night and she roost on it,which I'm surprised'cause it's
about five feet.
So she gets up there pretty danggood.
Uh, males, I have not seen themget up pretty good at all.
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She's
Jennifer (23:02):
doing chin up.
Whitney (23:04):
I mean,
Carey (23:05):
they're already 43 feet, three and a half feet up.
Whitney (23:09):
You're right, you're right, you're right.
Well, you
Carey (23:10):
know, Mo, most breeders talk about putting their.
Um, roost like two feet up sotheir birds don't hurt their
legs when they pop down.
So, I mean, they're alreadythere.
Whitney (23:22):
They're already there.
But that is true too.
Another thing that is reallyrecommended because their legs,
you know, once a leg goes out orgets injured because these guys
are so big, you're just kind ofdone for it.
Yeah, that's, that's the
Carey (23:33):
chicken leg right there.
Whitney (23:35):
Yep.
Lowered roosting bars aredefinitely recommended.
I just do, I do cinder blocks.
I do a big two by four throughthem.
I stack two cinder blocks and Ikeep it as low as I can, and
they really don't, for the mostpart, try to go that high except
for, you know, my youngerjuveniles, they will, they'll
push themselves, but it's likeonce they start getting bigger
and start getting like more ofthat weight on them, I don't
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think that they can, likethey're heavy.
They are heavy.
And that's another thing too inBrazil on their standard.
Again, it's saying like 10 to 12pounds for males and six to nine
pounds for females.
That is not what I'm seeinghere.
I need to weigh my guys.
I need to get a scale big enoughfor my guys, but they're heavy.
They are.
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They've got some weight to themand I know.
Again, another breeder said thathe had a female that clocked in
at like 14 pounds, which Itotally believe because while
they may look tall and skinny,that little girth, like they're
little abdomen and stuff, it ispacked.
It is just like so muscular, soheavy.
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It's surprising when you pickthem up.
Jennifer (24:39):
So.
So I just have this envisionmentof your farm.
So people are always asking forthose giant brams and they see
that picture of that braa thatcomes out of that dog house,
that everybody plays it all thetime.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
The big white one.
You've got this big giant bra,then you got this big IG coming
(25:01):
out at you, and then in front ofit, you get your little silky
going.
She has a little
Whitney (25:08):
tiny silky, right.
And you know what?
They all hang.
They all hang just fine.
Um, I mean, well, I mean this,the
Carey (25:18):
silky has a shadow.
Whitney (25:20):
Yeah.
Carey (25:20):
So you know it's always in the shade.
Whitney (25:23):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
It's always shaded.
I mean, when I'm on my offseason, I free range everyone
for the most part together.
I can free range the bras andthe IG and the silkies and all
of the grouts.
I can free range them alltogether and there's no problem.
Everyone hangs out like.
But I also don't keep birdsaround that are aggressive.
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That's like my number one thing.
Any sign of it, it's gone Just'cause my children and just
because I like peace.
Mm-hmm.
So do you eat your Kohls?
Um, on occasion, but not veryoften.
I do have a homestead here thatI actually started working with,
uh, because I am Chi and she'scompletely off grid and I ran
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into her one day at the DollarGeneral down the street.
And we got to talking and shewas completely off grid.
And I was telling her I hadchickens and I had these coals,
and if you want, you can justtake them.
And so that's been like.
Ooh, five years now going onthat she just takes everything,
anything that I don't want,anything that doesn't meet the
cut, they go there.
I know that they're not gonna bebred further, and I know that
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they're gonna literally put foodon her family's table.
Um, and that just has worked outreally good for me, knowing that
they'll either be kept for eggproduction or they'll feed her
family at the time that it needsto be done.
Mm-hmm.
It's worked out great.
But yeah, no, I also.
Get the heebie-jeebies eating myown Kohls.
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Why just edit that one out.
Carey (26:51):
But like, I mean, don't tell anyone
Whitney (26:53):
that it
Carey (26:53):
tastes like chicken.
Whitney (26:55):
I, no, I don't know why.
Okay.
Because I love them still.
Jennifer (27:03):
You know, I'm just gonna say this.
Once their head is off, youcan't tell'em
Whitney (27:06):
apart.
No, that's true.
That's true.
That's true.
That's
Jennifer (27:10):
true.
That's true.
Been there been?
Yep.
Yep.
Okay.
Wow.
Well, are, are, is anybody inthe states working on an SOP for
these birds?
Yeah, so no
Whitney (27:24):
one really right now that I know of, but, uh, I
actually have been in theconversation with a few
breeders.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, Igor Sores and, uh, blueAzo.
And, um, he has.
Some really nice indios as well.
And, uh, we actually have beentalking a lot about trying to
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start getting a proposedstandard out there for them, uh,
in the states because we'reseeing a lot of diversity right
now in these birds.
Um, GFF started to release themfirst, and.
Unfortunately just with likethem being so mass produced in
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the US and sent out everywhere.
It just seems like there's a lotof discrepancy in the bird's
types, like in height, size,shape.
You get some that look way morezeal like they're just full
zeal, and you get some that areheavy.
You get some that have no neck.
You get some that are onlyreaching like 36 inches.
That's about the majority thatyou'll see in the United States.
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Here you'll see a lot of peopleworking with other lines that
are not getting nearly as tallas they should be.
And then also on top of that,waddles, waddles are not a part
of the breed.
They should have a doula.
If they're gonna have waddles,they need to only be one
centimeter at most.
They need to have yellow legs.
They, the colors like Samathough, where it does not
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matter.
That's one thing that I reallylike about them after working
with so for so long, is thatthere's some diversity in color.
It's basically whatever you get,you get, which is, that's fine
for me.
It's better than just black.
Uh.
But the problem here, which iswhat we saw with Ani as well, is
that there's just no rules.
(29:10):
Does that, I don't know how toput this nicely.
Mm-hmm.
I'm trying not to step onanyone's toes.
Right.
Um.
There's no, there's noguideline.
It's a free for all.
It's like the wild west.
When you get a new burden,that's a rare exotic bird.
People are gonna pump'em out.
They're gonna try to make asmuch money as they can off of
them.
They are not gonna pay anyrespect to any kind of structure
type or SOP.
(29:30):
And that's something we saw alot with ac and now that we're
getting closer to having our,you know.
Proposed standard accepted goinginto our final qualifying meet
this November, which is amazing.
More people are falling in line.
More people are trying to breedcorrectly, are trying to do the
breed justice because they'regoing to be held accountable
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when you have an actual SOP inthe standard.
And even though IG have onlybeen here, I don't know, maybe
five years, maybe six, they'realready just getting so
completely watered down justfrom like the fad of just like
trying to pump out these fourfoot birds that aren't even
getting close to four foot atthis point.
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So a lot of us have been talkingabout trying to really go
through and clean up theBrazilian.
SOP kind of pay homage to it,but also try to clarify certain
aspects.
Like for example, in their SOP,they don't even have a tail set
angle.
Um, and there's a lot of thingsthat are just kind of not very
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clear, not like we would see inour SOPs here in states.
So we do wanna try to work onthat.
But again, it is such a longprocess.
You have to, you know, createyour SOP, get that.
Into the a PA, get it approved,start working on it and be able
to prove that you have five a PAbreeders breeding to this SOP
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for five years.
And then on top of that, you'regonna have to go through your
additional two years ofqualifying.
I mean, it's not gonna be justfive years.
It would be a lot more thanthat.
I mean, the work that is aheadof us.
But at that point, like there'sno time, like the present time.
Right?
Start now.
Sorry.
Jennifer (31:11):
So if somebody said, you know what, I need some
giant, you know, eye level bge,um, so what would be, where
could they get some, and thenwhat would they look at just as
the bare minimum to know thatthat's what they were getting?
You know, like leg is leg colorat all.
(31:34):
Yeah.
So
Whitney (31:35):
leg color, yellow.
Okay.
You would see yellow in thelegs.
It's, uh, do they have a, Iwould recommend not going to a
large hatchery.
First of all, that would be myfirst step is do not go to a
very large hatchery, not onethat's commercialized.
Uh, because when you go tocommercialized hatcheries, you
tend to see that the actualbreeding is sometimes lost.
(31:59):
Um, but I would go and I wouldrecommend finding a group on
Facebook.
Uh, for example, there's a groupthat's called Raising Indio
Antes in the US that is probablythe largest IG group for the us.
Um, granted you're gonna havebreeders of all.
Backgrounds there of all, youknow, um, either brand new to
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the breed flippers, actualbreeders, preservationists, all
the things.
But go in there, start learning,start watching, start reading
through the comments of posts.
Not just posts.
Read the comments.
Get to know the people.
Get to know the breeders, andfind yourself someone to build a
relationship with.
Get to know them before youpurchase from them, because I
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mean.
Purchasing chicks.
You can't really tell thequality of a bird until they're
at least close to maturity.
Uh, but you are some.
Definite things you're gonnalook for is leg color, yellow.
You definitely wanna make sureyou get straight toes.
That is a huge issue in thisbreed as well, that a lot of
people will, um, just pass by,is crooked toes.
(33:04):
Always make sure the toes arestraight.
Always make sure you're givingproper vitamins because that too
will cause crooked toes.
Um, you're gonna wanna look forWaddles.
Avoid waddles if you're gonnahave'em.
They should be one cm at most.
You're gonna want a doula.
That's preferable.
Doula is a big piece of skingoing from like the bottom of
(33:24):
the beak to the neck.
Uh, for those who don't know,kinda like a Turkey.
Like a Turkey.
Yeah, kinda like a Turkey.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a good example.
Um, and.
A very strong, prominent crownand almost that braa snarl to
the face and in the eyes.
Do you know what I'm talkingabout, that angry brow that
(33:45):
Brahmas have?
Beetle brow?
Yes.
You want that?
You want almost that angry lookto the bird.
Um,
Jennifer (33:53):
yeah.
We need a big, giant chickencoming at us.
That angry with an
Whitney (33:57):
angry look.
But the funny thing is they'renot angry.
They're very, very sweet.
But I mean, if you're, yeah, ifyou're wanting to go buy, then
my best recommendation would beto find someone through Facebook
or for through social media.
Avoid a large hatchery if youcan, and try to build a rapport
and a relationship with someone.
If you're serious about this, ifyou really, truly want pure,
(34:18):
good Indio antes, go find abreeder, build a relationship.
But if you just want something.
Yard, lawn ornament, yard candy.
Mm-hmm.
I, I mean, again, you could goto a breeder as well because
they're always gonna have theirKohls.
Yeah.
Their pet qualities.
You know what color eggs do theylay?
(34:39):
Well, they can lay between whiteand cream.
There have been, I know there'ssome that are like more tan and
I have read in the BrazilianSOP, that red is a color.
I'm not exactly sure what thatcolor is, but also blue and
green, and we do have a coupleof lines here in the United
States that were able to bringin that blue and green jean.
(35:02):
I have a hin that lays blue eggsand I am building a freaking
army out of her.
I have hatch so many babies.
And next I'm going to be workingon doing the Blue Egg gene
through, um.
I think I'm gonna go throughKnight's Poultry lab testing.
And so I'm gonna test and try tofind out who's carrying it and
how to breed back and try tohopefully have an entire colored
(35:25):
egg basket through this hen,which, um, not only does she lay
beautiful, gorgeous, huge blueeggs, but she's just, she's
massive.
I mean, her offspring are just,oh my gosh, they're tanks.
Uh, and she's very docile andvery sweet.
But that is something that a lotof people don't know is that
they actually can lay coloredeggs, which is.
A game changer in my opinion.
(35:45):
Uh, when I found out, I waslike, take all my money.
I just need one.
I just need one and I'll make itwork.
Jennifer (35:52):
You've kind of like stumped me on that one, that
there could be such a, a varietyof egg color there.
Whitney (36:00):
And again, I think that's coming from the fact that
it is, and I don't wanna say itin a rude way, but it's kind of
a mutt bird.
I mean, it was just created inthe 1980s.
You're still gonna have so manydifferent genetics at play.
So many different things.
I mean, yeah, because we, yeah.
Somebody,
Carey (36:17):
somebody's gonna have to work with'em, clean'em up, get
'em, right.
That's what I'm saying.
And then they're gonna have toline breed'em for at least five
or six years mm-hmm.
To get that to where it'sconsistent.
Whitney (36:30):
Exactly.
Carrie, and I think that's whatI was trying to explain when I
was talking about setting up anSOP.
Mm-hmm.
Is that like mm-hmm.
It's gonna take like maybe 10years, like to get this bird to
actually be able to like fit asolid SOP because there's so
many different things that youcan see.
For example, they have like fivedifferent accepted comb
(36:51):
varieties, so we gotta narrow itdown.
Right?
Wow.
You know, I'm just saying.
So, so many different things canpop up in them because really
the main true focus.
From my understanding in Brazilfor this breed has been length,
length, height.
(37:11):
Go for it.
That's what they've beenbreeding for.
Uh, long neck, long legs, and aslong of a bird as you can get.
So now with the opportunity thatwe have with them here and with
the dedicated breeders that wehave, we do have that
opportunity to really try tostart.
I don't wanna necessarily saymolding the breed because you
(37:32):
don't want to offend the countryof origin at all.
Right?
Because we appreciate what theydid, we appreciate what they
created.
But I do think like we have thisopportunity to try to refine, to
try to narrow down, to findthose best qualities that will
help preserve the breed and keepit going and to breed more
consistently.
Jennifer (37:52):
Yeah, I can see where, on the flip side, if you don't.
Then there's so much varietythere that it will just forever
be.
Um.
A backyard mix almost.
Whitney (38:04):
I mean, yeah, no, I could definitely see that as
well.
100%.
I mean, don't get me wrong,there is consistency to it.
Mm-hmm.
But because there's so manydifferent genetics at play and
it's so fairly new, you're stillgonna see like these random
grandfather genes pop up.
You're still gonna see thesethings come out.
Um.
Like the comb, ugh, the combskilling me.
I'm trying so hard just to havecushion combs.
(38:25):
That's all I want.
Jennifer (38:27):
I mean, yeah.
I mean, if you're talking aboutthe 1980s, we're only talking
about 40 ish generations here.
That's not that long.
Yeah.
That's not that long at all.
Mm-hmm.
No,
Whitney (38:36):
but you know, it'd be fun to be the one of the first
ones.
Yeah.
You know, to get it going.
And really, they have so muchpotential.
They are such an amazing breed.
So docile, so calm, so big.
Beautiful.
They really.
Make you see.
Okay.
Yeah.
They could be dinosaurs.
I see it.
I definitely see it now.
You know.
Jennifer (38:58):
Well, do you, or you're not selling anything yet,
right?
Whitney (39:01):
No, I have been selling.
Okay.
Right now I'm, it's too hot.
It's too hot right now.
Um, unless we can get on aprivate transport.
But I am also hoarding becauseagain, I've got all those babies
outta my blue hen, so I amtrying to grow them out, find my
best selections, and thenreevaluate what my next
generation's gonna look like.
And then of course, hatch those,evaluate those, and then start
(39:25):
letting some go.
But yeah,
Jennifer (39:28):
tell everybody where they can find you and all the
different places.
Whitney (39:32):
Nope.
Uh, Binet Acres on Facebook isabout the best place to find me
or on TikTok.
You'll find me under WhitneyRose Binette and I try to
produce as much educational andbasic understanding content as I
can to help all those who arejust getting into some of the
breeds that I have to try toshare my.
Journey and my experience, whatI've learned going through it
(39:54):
all, I don't know it all.
I am still learning.
We are all still learning, but Ijust try to share what I come
across to hopefully help others'journeys be a little bit easier.
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer (40:05):
Well, we totally appreciate it and your, you
reels are so fun.
So I enjoy watching'em.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Well, we have enjoyed havingyou.
We'll talk to you soon.
Yes.
Okay.
Thank you so much.
This has been really cool.
Thank you so much for
Whitney (40:19):
having me.
Hope I didn't yak your ear offtoo much.
Nope, you're good.
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