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Carey (00:39):
Hello, and welcome to another exciting edition of the
Poultry Nerds podcast.
Today we have for the third timeAaron Guidroz from Guidroz
Family Farm down in la.
How are you?
Aaron (00:59):
I'm doing well.
It's nice.
Beautiful August weather we'rehaving here in November.
It was 80 degrees here today.
Yeah.
It was 85 here.
And you're further
Carey (01:09):
south than
Aaron (01:09):
I am.
Yeah, it's Is your humidity likereally
Carey (01:13):
high?
Aaron (01:14):
I don't have to worry about dehydration with the
humidity because it's so high.
You could just drink the air.
Yeah.
Jennifer (01:20):
You butchered that Cajun name, didn't you?
Aaron (01:24):
No, he did.
He did great.
Jennifer (01:26):
He did great.
Aaron (01:27):
Yeah.
Isn't not
Jennifer (01:28):
Gure.
Aaron (01:29):
It's whatever you want it to be.
I've heard it many differentways.
Some ways I would like to likejust change it,
Carey (01:36):
With a name like that, whether people say Giros, gures,
however they say it, it's thefact that they remember it.
Yeah.
Call it what it is, but.
I think the name of the game inbusiness is having a name that
people remember.
Aaron (01:55):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's they remember it.
They, it's not pronouncedcorrectly most of the time, but
they remember it.
So that's, I guess that is agood thing.
Carey (02:04):
Do they, if they remember it enough to find your website,
which is keros family form.com,then hey, that's what matters.
Jennifer (02:15):
Yeah, I'm gonna have to change my name.
Have you ever been in a Walmartand Yale, Jennifer?
There's 400 people that'll turnaround.
Aaron (02:22):
Yeah, there's a bunch of Jennifer's, so you know, I need
to
Carey (02:25):
try that.
Aaron (02:27):
Fun fact, I am the most but dialed name in everybody's
contact list because you're atthe top.
I'm at the top,
Carey (02:35):
far back.
Aaron (02:36):
Yeah.
Not the funnest thing to be,
Carey (02:41):
Yeah.
It gets things going.
Jennifer (02:44):
Yeah.
Carey (02:45):
Oh, absolutely.
Jennifer (02:46):
Aaron, you're down there, Louisiana.
It's hot.
So tell us what you've gotcooking on the farm this time of
year.
Carey (02:53):
I've been seeing some Facebook posts.
There's some stuff cooking.
Aaron (02:57):
Oh yeah.
Of course I don't really kissand tail too much.
So I do have some top secretprojects I have going on play
around with.
We specialize like a turningquail.
Have since moved on from the BobWhites and their variations
finally.
Jennifer (03:14):
Oh, you don't have'em at all anymore?
Aaron (03:15):
None at all.
Oh, wow.
Had them make room for Keter.
We just did a big barn expansionfor my newest release, which is
gonna be my largest one, and itis Progressive Pod.
Wow.
I'm sure everyone's seen orheard of Progressive Pod before.
But never actually had a bird, aprogressive high bird.
Jennifer (03:41):
So tell us what makes it special.
Aaron (03:44):
What makes it special?
For me as a breeder with it isthere are no two birds
identical.
So it's every time you hatch outa bird, it'll have a different
white and a different place.
Over generations you will seesome birds that look similar,
(04:04):
but never identical.
So it's like some of'em looklike cookies and cream, I'd say.
Or like for the chickenlisteners, like a Millie slur,
but just white and the basepattern.
So it's, it has been an amazingadventure at almost two years of
(04:24):
working on it.
It has, I finally, I think Ihave it where it is ready to go.
I didn't, I finally foundpatience, guys.
I have been patient withsomething.
Wow.
Because I never planned onselling it because I like to
hoard birds more than cellbirds.
I'm like, they have jumbobrowns.
(04:46):
I could sell jumbo browns.
But I am several generationsdeep into this and.
I tell you, I am extremely inlove with some of the birds.
I don't like a tuxedo.
I'm sure I've said that severaltimes before.
People are tired of hearingthat.
I don't like tuxedos, but I dolike progressive PO just because
(05:10):
of the challenges as itpresented to source it and also
to selectively breed it for whatI want.
Jennifer (05:19):
Is it, is it its own color or is it like a I don't do
you put it over other colors?
Aaron (05:27):
Yeah.
You put it over other colors.
It is a modified there.
Okay.
It is also on, suspected to beon the same locust as like our
dotted white and all of thatstuff.
It is on the s locust.
For OU Genetics nerds out there.
(05:47):
It's a beautiful bird.
It could be on any base pattern.
It is also incomplete, dominant,so it will show up in
heterozygous or homozygous form.
At a first generation crossingyou you'll still see po It won't
be.
As dance as, generations four orfive, but it'll definitely be
(06:11):
present.
You'll see it on firstgeneration cross.
And when I started playingaround with it, I was working
with Tibetan because that was myoriginal base and I was
interested in seeing if I couldmake it a jumbo because the
birds I got were not.
Large, the birds.
(06:31):
The birds I originally startedwith were seven to nine ounces,
which I mean, Celadons is okay,but I really, I'm a chunky
fella, so I like chunky birds,and so I crossed it with my
jumbo Tibetan, and the weightactually shot up a lot faster
(06:51):
than what I thought.
I'm averaging 12 to 14 ounces ateight weeks old.
And a fancy color.
So I feel like this kind of,'cause I love colors, but I also
love jumbo.
So I feel like for this project,for me was both ends of it
satisfied my needs.
I got the color and I have thesize.
(07:12):
And the size was actually easierto obtain than I throw it
because I'm also doing likejumbo Celadons and whatnot.
And it, it seems like it takesforever to get Celadons up the
jumbos.
And these guys were like.
Two generations in.
I'm like, Hey, look at these bigguys.
Jennifer (07:32):
So the progressive part of it is, it gets wider as
the bird ages?
Aaron (07:37):
Yes.
So as the bird ages and as thebird molts, it'll progressively
get more white on it and it'llstart off as just like a few
white feathers when they're inlike the brooder once they're.
Once they start coming in withtheir failures and then as they
mold, usually when they'recoming out the brooder you they
(07:58):
look pretty magnificent at thatpoint because they got a lot of
pod on them and usually aroundthe four month mark.
They are really good to look at.
And I've been selectivelybreeding for a good equal amount
of pattern and white, because ifyou try to go for too much
(08:18):
white.
From what I've learned with itis you'll end up breeding the
pattern out of it where it'lljust, it'll actually progress
into a white bird or it'll looklike a splash.
I guess if you want splash, justget splash.
If you want whites, just getwhites.
So I like what I've beenbreeding on, is to keep more
(08:41):
pattern with the whites.
So like I try to stay around 5050.
And it has been working well,too bad this is not a video
podcast'cause I could showpictures, but I do have'em on my
Facebook page.
Jennifer (08:56):
So would it be easy for somebody to be taken
advantage of buy-in birds andeggs and they get English whites
or tuxedos even?
Aaron (09:06):
Could you, I would definitely recommend.
Especially early on with theprogress progressive PO coming
out.
'cause there's several peoplereleasing it early, early
spring.
I would definitely source itfrom a reputable breed as
always.
But you on eBay, you could finda bunch of stuff that says PO on
(09:28):
it because PO is a big key wordright now and Progressive Pod is
completely different than a podbird.
Pipe bird will not progress any,it'll just be powered in his
entire life.
So getting scammed or misled isthe cha the chances there For
(09:49):
sure.
And you'll know at six weeks.
Yes.
It's in New
Jennifer (09:54):
Eugene.
This is a new gene to the UnitedStates, right?
Aaron (09:56):
Yes, it's president of the United States and Germany
and Europe.
It is been in the United Statesofficially probably about five
years.
There's a few big breeders outthere that have it and are
studying it.
And my big breeders, I'm talkingabout breeders that make what I
(10:18):
do seem like a hobby.
And like I always, when I'm inmy barn, I think, man, I have a
ton of birds.
And then I talked to some realbig commercial breeders that
have, 500,000 birds or a millionbirds.
I'm like, yeah, I'm a hobbyist.
Like those guys, they don't dopublic sales and they don't
(10:39):
really, they're not, you're notgonna buy hatching gags from
these large places.
You won't see'em on socialmedia.
That's the kind of thing you geta lot of social media, big
breeders.
And I get, I could group myselfinto that category as well
because that's where I do a lotof my customer interactions.
But they'll put in perspective,the larger forms are not gonna
(10:59):
be on social media and they'renot gonna sell you eggs on eBay
or a website even.
Because I've tried, I'm like,Hey man, would you sell some
eggs?
And they're like, no,
Carey (11:11):
I can picture you with that meme of the guy like
scratching his cheek.
I got the white stuff all overit.
Hey man, lemme get some neweggs.
Aaron (11:21):
I'm I'm trying, I'm like I don't need both kidneys.
Would you take a kidney for adozen hatching eggs?
Carey (11:28):
I only have one, so I can't offer that.
Aaron (11:33):
I'll share hatching gates with y'all.
Give up a kidney.
So the progressive high, likefor me, and I'm looking at some
of my notes through throughoutmy program what I've read for is
for like cleaner edges to whereit's not like the pattern melts
into the white.
Like I want a good crisp edge onthe feathering to where you can
(11:56):
see good definition.
And I know you guys do a lotmore like chicken stuff.
With, I know the shows and all,Carrie, I know you, you big into
that stuff and I'm really, I'mnot a fan of chickens, but I
respect the length of time ittakes to do projects with
chickens.
So I know a lot of that kind ofYeah.
(12:17):
Yeah.
Alone time.
Carey (12:19):
I mean that that's actually what got me into quail
was because when I want to trysomething with chickens, I can
try it a lot faster with, yeah.
Quail.
Aaron (12:30):
Yeah,
Jennifer (12:31):
so you can control the edges color.
Aaron (12:34):
You could select for it to where the edges, or instead
of like color bleeding throughto the white, it'll be more of a
crisp line of feathering.
And it takes a little bit ofexperience.
'cause like when I was readingthe literature on.
Some of the stuff that I had touse Google Translate to read a
(12:56):
lot of this stuff because Ididn't have anyone's, yeah, I
didn't have anyone to like, Heyman, what about this?
Or, I didn't get to work side byside with anyone on it, so I had
to do a lot of my own researchlate at night, Google Translate
and so then I didn't haveanything to go off of.
I didn't have a picture to gooff of.
(13:17):
I had an older picture that.
It wasn't too many years outfrom black and white to look at,
to compare.
So everything was done off ofreading.
And then I finally did make acontact overseas to compare
pictures with.
And kinda, they said I wasbasically, I was going down the
right road.
So after several generations ofit, I developed an eye to where
(13:43):
I could, I was actually seeingwhat I wanted to see.
Carey (13:48):
One of the things that I learned is you wanna talk
chicken and really find like thequiet the things that nobody
else is talking about.
Then you're not gonna talk tosomebody in America about it.
Aaron (14:03):
No.
Carey (14:04):
You're gonna have to go find somebody, find you a
contact overseas.
Jennifer (14:11):
When are you planning on releasing these bad boys?
Aaron (14:14):
These are getting released on Good Friday,
Jennifer (14:19):
black Friday.
Aaron (14:20):
Black Friday.
Where was I this year?
You're all the way
Jennifer (14:24):
in the spring,
Carey (14:26):
Like tomorrow.
Black Friday?
Aaron (14:29):
Yeah, tomorrow, black Friday.
Good.
On my website.
That is my biggest release.
I've, I'm also.
Going to release sparkly PearlWhitewing po, which I do have
whitewing PO in my homesteadmeat baker line'cause Whitewing
PO is one of my largest birds Ihave here right now.
(14:53):
The white wing pies areaveraging 16 ounces and laying a
20 to 22 gram eggs.
Yeah, everything in thatcollection is exceptionally
large and that collection reallydoesn't, it's not necessarily
gonna breed true.
Like you're gonna have on somepharaohs, you can have some
white, like you're gonna have aheterozygous tuxedo.
(15:16):
'cause it's not bred for a colorstandard.
It is bred for size.
So that's, I'm excited torelease that one on its own.
The white wing pod, justPharaoh.
I am releasing Jumble white,Sellon standard White Celadons,
some splash celadons and fellowsensible celadons and feed
(15:42):
tuxedo saladon.
I've been putting in a lot ofsell down work lately.
Jennifer (15:49):
Sounds like it.
Apparently.
Aaron (15:52):
Oh man, it, it has been a project.
I think Christina probably wantsto kill me.
With the brooding,
Carey (15:59):
like with the celadons, I gotta say, you can't really use
LED lights.
Like you can't fully see therichness of the blue under a LED
light.
You gotta have a regular, likereal light or outside,
Aaron (16:20):
outside line is the best.
It's I do have LED lining in thebourne.
But if you really wanna see agood sellon color you have to go
out on sunlight.
I do LED lining because I'mtired of change of bulbs.
Jennifer (16:36):
What color is your feather Sensable cell it on.
Aaron (16:39):
It'll be Pharaoh's and Italians.
Jennifer (17:35):
Nice.
Aaron (17:36):
I'm not ready for the Egyptians just yet.
Close, but not just yet.
Jennifer (17:42):
You don't like Egyptians, right?
Aaron (17:47):
I've grown to like them.
Carey (17:50):
They've grown on you.
So what I'm curious is if youtake a progressive PO bird and
you put it over, say a range,you could potentially get a
crimson and white offspring
Aaron (18:08):
roll time.
Yeah.
So progressive pod, I do havethe red range.
I do have Tibetan Rosetta's andI do have Pharaohs.
And I'm gonna stop there becauseI have more, but that's, that is
what's gonna be for sale.
Carey (18:27):
I have more, but you'll have
Aaron (18:29):
to wait.
Yes.
Jennifer (18:30):
Can you pick the color or you just gonna, do you get
what you get?
I'm gonna.
Aaron (18:34):
I like to do collections to where it's easier for me to
package the eggs and it's also alower price than an individual
color.
And I'm gonna approach this onewith the collection where it'll
be a mixture of all of them oreach individual color.
Each individual color will bemore expensive than the
(18:55):
collection.
Carey (18:58):
Yeah, because as a collection, when you're
collecting, you can collect andyou don't have to really look at
the cage specifically.
Aaron (19:09):
Yeah.
But
Carey (19:10):
when you're getting a specific one, you're, you gotta,
people can't see, but you gottakinda look in there and be like
yeah, I can't read my ownhandwriting on the cage card.
What is that in there?
You wanna make it sure you getit right when you're filling the
orders.
Aaron (19:24):
So I do a lot of things backwards.
So like I, I have my cage card,I print'em out, I laminated it,
and I cut'em up.
And then I write on the cagecard what cage it is.
Now you'd think we are in 2025,about to be 2026.
That I would just type it andprint it.
Nope.
(19:45):
I hand write it.
Carey (19:46):
You can't change that.
Aaron (19:48):
And then sometimes it, when I disinfect things and it
wipes it off and it's, I doeverything the horrible,
Jennifer (19:57):
so I found these nifty little tags on Amazon, of
course, and they close with azipper clothes and they're
plastic, they're washable,they're reusable.
And I actually sent them out onan a email campaign today to all
of my, my email subscribers andI just said, you know what, if
you've got pens or coops orcages or whatever, you need to
(20:19):
see if these things are on salefor Black Friday, because you
can, I still put my painter tapeon'em just because I'm
accustomed to walking aroundwith painter tape on my arm, and
I just write on there and thenstick it right on there.
But they just they're, I'm inlove with those things.
I've, I think I'm gonna orderabout two or three more hundred,
Carey (20:38):
Aaron it's a.
A zip tie that you can undo witha spot to write on it.
That's about an inch and a halfby an inch.
So when you move birds from oneplace to another, you can just
twist the zip tie, pull it out,and take it with,
Jennifer (20:58):
are often, they're pretty nifty.
They're awesome.
Carey (21:01):
Yeah.
Jennifer (21:02):
So I guess we can link that to, in the show notes.
Because, Sure.
Hopefully everybody need,everybody needs some kind of
IDing factor.
Carey (21:11):
You would like to hope they do.
Yeah.
Jennifer (21:13):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I discovered that the painter'stape, which I love so much,
doesn't stick to anything withdust on it, like feed troughs
and stuff.
So I was looking for somethingelse to stick it to and I found
those.
And 16 cents, you can't beatthat with a anything.
Aaron (21:31):
No.
That is a good price.
What I do so like I have fivetier cages and every whole five
tier is like jumbo browns, whichI have multiple of jumbo browns,
but leg band each group.
And I hang at leg band on theegg rollout, and each color
signifies like a weight classand always go from like best
(21:55):
down to worse at the bottom.
And when I'm collecting eggs, Iit's all of'em, which I never
keep anything sounds bad, but Inever keep anything that doesn't
make weight.
It's just like my top one wouldbe like my homestead meat maker
line of the pharaohs, but that'sa red band.
Just red band means if you seeanything red labeled red.
(22:17):
Am I born?
Do not touch it.
It is mine.
Jennifer (22:21):
That's yours.
Aaron (22:22):
It's mine.
Jennifer (22:23):
You sound very organized.
Aaron (22:25):
I am organized chaos.
Jennifer (22:28):
That sounds about right.
Aaron (22:30):
Christina and I cannot package eggs in, in the barn at
the same time.
She cannot be in the barn whenI'm packaging eggs because I
have a system.
It's very chaotic.
And she's if she has a list ofthings to do one through 10,
she's gonna do one through 10.
I'm gonna do two to nine, andthen I'll jump back up to one.
And
Carey (22:49):
Yeah I'm hitting like.
1, 3, 7, 8, 4, and then I'll hitthe rest.
Aaron (22:58):
Yeah, I then I'll throw in like a 12 in there.
Yeah.
Jennifer (23:02):
Yeah.
I'm organized chaos.
Aaron (23:04):
I love it.
I love it.
Carey (23:06):
I'm probably more chaos than organized.
Jennifer (23:09):
You are.
Carey (23:12):
Hey, look, you let 10 people live in your house and
see how that works out.
Jennifer (23:17):
So I'm so organized chaos now that on my, I have a
MacBook, right?
And it has all the, I don't knowwhat they're called, where you
can do like the seven differentdesktops across the front.
One of them is all digitalsticky notes of all the crap
I've got to be doing and, yeah.
Yep.
Aaron (23:36):
That sounds about right.
I have sticky notes.
I use like the micro stickynotes.
Can't see you.
And oh yeah, sticky noteeverything.
And then the writing, the rainnotepads at the pages of
waterproof.
Okay.
Carey (23:49):
I
Aaron (23:49):
keep on like that way I can always write notes.
'cause then of course I live inthe south, so we have three days
of winter and the rest issummertime.
Always sweating and I've ruinedso many notebooks and it's
always like right at the endwhen you have a lot of
information in there that youruin it.
Jennifer (24:05):
Yes.
Aaron (24:07):
Yep.
Jennifer (24:07):
I use voice memos on my phone.
That's how I record notes.
Yep.
Then I have to remember totranscribe'em.
I think I've got 60 that need tobe transcribed right about now.
Good lord.
Yeah, I know, right?
It's a winter project.
Those three days I'll transcribenotes.
(24:28):
We have five days of winter, Idon't know what I
Aaron (24:31):
do.
The last time I went up thereand visited you, it was pretty
cold up there.
Jennifer (24:35):
You brought it with you.
I think it stood at your place,didn't it?
Carey (24:40):
It's compared to Louisiana, it being cold doesn't
really say a whole lot.
Jennifer (24:47):
No.
Nope.
The northern people are laughingat us right now.
Okay, so Ken, yeah.
They're
Carey (24:53):
getting snow already.
Jennifer (24:54):
So everybody listening has to order from you on Black
Friday or this weekend ingeneral, or just the day?
Aaron (25:03):
The entire weekend up until Monday.
And then, and when are they
Jennifer (25:07):
gonna ship?
Aaron (25:09):
I'll start shipping in January unless a specific date
after is requested.
Jennifer (25:15):
Yeah, because like Buffalo, New York people don't
have spring till like April,right?
Aaron (25:20):
Yeah.
Or May.
Yeah.
And I have a few a few earlybirds that already have some
March and April shift dates onsome items.
I honor all of those requests.
If you ordering that far out andyou wanna, like April 12th and
I'm just throwing April 12th outthere, it might be a Saturday,
but if you want to ship thenthat, that is when it's
shipping.
Especially that far out I'll getthere.
(25:41):
And my goal this year is to beno more than seven to 10 days
from order to shipping.
Of course that would be ordersmade after, December when I
actually consider springshipping.
'cause spring shipping for mestarts January.
Jennifer (25:57):
So let's meet back here in April and you let me
know if you're seven to 10 daysbecause I don't know how you can
do that.
I.
Aaron (26:05):
The furthest I got out this spring, I think was six
weeks.
Jennifer (26:09):
Yep.
I think I hit eight weeks onsome colors and that was
stressing me out a little bit.
Aaron (26:17):
Now that I did cheat.
I, when I would get four out, Iwould just remove stuff off the
website and not say anything.
It's what, so I did cheat,
Carey (26:25):
That's not cheating.
That's just Makes sense.
Aaron (26:28):
Yeah.
I don't wanna be sitting onanyone's, anyone's order,
because for me, I've always feltlike when you sit down and you
make an order for hatching eggsor anything in general, you get
really excited.
You got that Christmas morningfeeling and if you are gonna
wait for months without yourorder shipping, you loses the
(26:48):
magic.
So I never, I know how it feels.
I never wanna make anyone elsefeel like that.
It's weird.
Because to me, I'm still aquail, hobbyist, even though I'm
just a larger scale quailhobbyist.
Jennifer (27:02):
We still get excited about our first eggs.
I don't know that I get excitedabout my quail first eggs, but I
definitely get excited about thechicken first Eggs.
Or Turkey and then the Turkeylays their first eggs.
Like I'm all about being onFacebook.
Yes.
I got my first egg for the year.
Aaron (27:19):
I still get excited about the first eggs out of a cage in
the grow out.
I still get excited like that.
We recently got back in thebutton quail, so we had a button
quail hatch, and I didn'trealize that lane was so young
the last time we had buttonquail and we got out of it.
I think it was 2021 when we gotout of it.
So that would put him.
(27:40):
At six years old.
So I guess he was disconnectedfrom it.
He insisted we brooded him inthe house, which I'm against,
but they're in the house.
Carey (27:51):
He has a
Aaron (27:51):
chair next to the brooder and he sits down and just
watches the little button quail.
Jennifer (27:58):
They are so cute.
Aaron (27:59):
They I forgot how tiny they were.
I have a jump.
I hope
Jennifer (28:03):
you have a top on'em because they'll fly out in a
week.
Aaron (28:06):
Yeah they're a lot, they're smaller, but they're a
lot like Bob Whites that theyjust start flying so quick.
Then you got NICs, especiallyjumbo urs, that, I left the
brooder door open on one of mylevels of my tower brooder, and
no birds came out of it.
They were just like, justlooking at me.
I'm like, okay, guys, I'll closethe door.
Jennifer (28:28):
Mine fall out on the floor.
And then they look at me like,now what do we do?
Carey (28:32):
And I put some in the, I put some in my brooder two days
ago, and I'm taking'em outta thebasket into the brooder.
And like they wanted to jumpback in the basket and they'd
fall on the floor and they'djust lay there and they'd start
kicking around and looking at melike, are you gonna get me?
(28:53):
I am like, you're an idiot.
Why?
Why did you do that?
Aaron (28:57):
And so I do I learned something valuable from Jennifer
on, because you remember onetime we had this whole
conversation, all three of us,about heat lamps, and I was
like, team heat lamp, like yo,brutal place.
It's the most ridiculous thingever.
I don't use any heat lampsanymore.
Jennifer (29:16):
The brooder plates are the way to go.
Aaron (29:19):
I it is.
And look, I was, I'm an oldschool chicken person, from the
south, and we are very stubborn,hard to change.
And I got my first one and I waslike, this is ridiculous.
You can't see the heat, but thebirds won't know what to do.
Like everything.
I was just negative Nelly.
And after the first batch ofbirds, they weren't addicted to
(29:41):
the heat and this is great.
What have I been doing?
Then next, another batch.
I lost a ton of birds.
I'm like, they were cold.
What is going on here?
It was about that time that Iseen a post from Jennifer about
raising the totes up off theground.
Carey (30:00):
Oh yeah.
Aaron (30:01):
So we have'em off the ground and I won't, I don't
think I'll ever go back to heatlamp.
Jennifer (30:07):
There's no reason to.
I think really honestly, thatlifting off the floor solves 90%
of brooding problems.
If I'm scanning through Facebookand people are like, I've got
the heat on point, I've got thison point, I've got that on
point.
And if you say, send me apicture like a broad picture of
your brooder set up, 90% of'emwould be on a cold floor.
(30:31):
And it just seeps up through thebottom of the box or the tote or
whatever it is, and they getchilled from the bottom.
Carey (30:39):
And with quail it, it don't matter how many shavings
or stall pellets, you can havethree inches thick if crap, and
they still get cold.
They want to die.
Aaron (30:52):
Yep.
Oh yeah.
And you know how I do everythingthe hard way, so I use Tower
Brooders, but the first five toseven days they are in totes.
So out the incubator, five toseven days in totes with heat
plates, then Tower Brooders.
Yep.
So like we're constantly movingand I'm pretty sure at some
(31:15):
point, Christina.
Will end up sticking me in atower brooder and locking the
door because I think it's likeevery two days that we're moving
stuff around I say we, she ismoving stuff around, but it
works like I'm talking aboutlike less than 1% of of death
rate in brewers.
Jennifer (31:35):
So we do the same thing.
I set eggs on Fridays.
They hatch on Tuesdays, I movethem on Wednesdays.
We, the egg, the week old chicksgo out from the tubs to the
wire, bottom floor cages at sixdays so I can clean the brooders
again and restart again forWednesday.
You have to have a system whenwe're at the scale that we are
(31:58):
or it domino effects.
I know that you can hear thatI'm still congested.
You don't get a day off.
You don't.
It.
It's a machine that keeps movinglike in three week increments.
Carey (32:11):
Yeah.
It cracks me up every timesomebody wants to get into any
kind of farming.
They're like, oh yeah, this isgreat.
I'm like, you realize if youtake a day off, your animals
don't eat.
Aaron (32:23):
They're there goes those Bahamas strips
Carey (32:27):
and Look, I'm gonna tell you this.
It is hard to find good help.
I've tried.
Yeah.
Jennifer (32:34):
That's a whole nother ball game.
Yeah.
I also saw Christina has cosnow, is she putting them on the
website?
Aaron (32:43):
She has decided to list them some bar coachings.
They are the large file ones.
We've been having them for acouple years and she finally
decides that she wants to put'emon.
That and I listed her Silkies acouple weeks back.
She's, so we have chicken eggsavailable on the website now,
Jennifer (33:06):
and it's your anniversary this weekend and
you're bringing her to Bryant'sroost to celebrate the
anniversary.
That is the plan.
Yeah.
Aaron (33:14):
We're gonna, we're gonna celebrate Brian's roost.
That's awesome.
Jennifer (33:17):
That's the anniversary destination now?
Aaron (33:20):
Yeah it's, she knows if I'm like, Hey, let's plan this
trip.
Chances are we gonna get into alittle bit of trouble if
something's gonna involve a birdsomewhere?
Jennifer (33:29):
Wow.
Aaron (33:31):
But I gotta get my, I gotta stock up on shipping foam
Jennifer (33:33):
yep.
Aaron (33:34):
And I don't like to pay shipping.
Jennifer (33:36):
You don't?
You're cheap that way.
Aaron (33:38):
Yeah.
Yeah, I get it.
I pay enough shipping, hatchingeggs that I don't wanna pay
anybody else for shipping.
And right now is the worst timeof the year to ship'cause
shipping prices are elevated.
Jennifer (33:48):
Yes, they are.
All right, tell everybody againwhat your website is and how to
find your sale prices.
Aaron (33:55):
It is Keros Family Farm.
There will be no no coupon codeneeded.
Everything's just automaticallyat midnight Thanksgiving night,
it's gonna flip over to 30% off.
Jennifer (34:10):
Wow.
Good deal.
Okay.
And then you're on Facebook,you're on YouTube, you're on all
the stuff.
Aaron (34:15):
All the stuff.
And next next Sunday afterThanksgiving is my one year
YouTube live anniversary.
So I've been doing live streamsfor one year on YouTube.
So I'll probably do a bunch ofgiveaways, then I usually, and
when I get bored on YouTube livestreams, I just start giving
away hatching eggs.
Jennifer (34:35):
That's a great business model.
Aaron (34:38):
I have found that.
I feel I get a lot more pleasuregiving things away than I do
selling.
I get feedback from customersthat purchased and I'm like, oh
cool.
Congratulations on you.
Good hatch.
And then someone that I gavefree hatching eggs, sends me
pictures and Hey, I had thisgreat hatch, and I get all
giddy,'cause it's special tothem.
Jennifer (34:56):
Yeah.
Aaron (34:57):
Yeah.
Jennifer (34:57):
Yep.
Brian's roost is having a bigBlack Friday sale too that's
ongoing through Cyber Monday.
And I do have some fantasticdeals on egg foam if you wanna
find that there.
If you wanna start shipping inthe spring.
Carey (35:15):
Yeah.
Jennifer (35:16):
Carrie, you got any sales going on?
Carey (35:18):
So Show Pro is going to have their breeder supplement on
sale.
It is gonna be probably thebiggest sale it's ever been on,
and it will be starting wheneverI create it tonight or in the
morning till Monday, not atmidnight.
(35:41):
No coupon code needed.
You'll just go to a parti, aparticular website and buy.
Jennifer (35:51):
There you go.
A lot of it.
Thank you, Erin, for coming backagain.
Look forward to seeing youagain.
Aaron (35:57):
Yeah, thanks for having me.
Jennifer (36:01):
All right.
See you guys next.
Hello, and welcome to another exciting edition of the
Poultry Nerds podcast.
Today we have for the third timeAaron Guidroz from Guidroz
Family Farm down in la.
How are you?
Aaron (00:59):
I'm doing well.
It's nice.
Beautiful August weather we'rehaving here in November.
It was 80 degrees here today.
Yeah.
It was 85 here.
And you're further
Carey (01:09):
south than
Aaron (01:09):
I am.
Yeah, it's Is your humidity likereally
Carey (01:13):
high?
Aaron (01:14):
I don't have to worry about dehydration with the
humidity because it's so high.
You could just drink the air.
Yeah.
Jennifer (01:20):
You butchered that Cajun name, didn't you?
Aaron (01:24):
No, he did.
He did great.
Jennifer (01:26):
He did great.
Aaron (01:27):
Yeah.
Isn't not
Jennifer (01:28):
Gure.
Aaron (01:29):
It's whatever you want it to be.
I've heard it many differentways.
Some ways I would like to likejust change it,
Carey (01:36):
With a name like that, whether people say Giros, gures,
however they say it, it's thefact that they remember it.
Yeah.
Call it what it is, but.
I think the name of the game inbusiness is having a name that
people remember.
Aaron (01:55):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's they remember it.
They, it's not pronouncedcorrectly most of the time, but
they remember it.
So that's, I guess that is agood thing.
Carey (02:04):
Do they, if they remember it enough to find your website,
which is keros family form.com,then hey, that's what matters.
Jennifer (02:15):
Yeah, I'm gonna have to change my name.
Have you ever been in a Walmartand Yale, Jennifer?
There's 400 people that'll turnaround.
Aaron (02:22):
Yeah, there's a bunch of Jennifer's, so you know, I need
to
Carey (02:25):
try that.
Aaron (02:27):
Fun fact, I am the most but dialed name in everybody's
contact list because you're atthe top.
I'm at the top,
Carey (02:35):
far back.
Aaron (02:36):
Yeah.
Not the funnest thing to be,
Carey (02:41):
Yeah.
It gets things going.
Jennifer (02:44):
Yeah.
Carey (02:45):
Oh, absolutely.
Jennifer (02:46):
Aaron, you're down there, Louisiana.
It's hot.
So tell us what you've gotcooking on the farm this time of
year.
Carey (02:53):
I've been seeing some Facebook posts.
There's some stuff cooking.
Aaron (02:57):
Oh yeah.
Of course I don't really kissand tail too much.
So I do have some top secretprojects I have going on play
around with.
We specialize like a turningquail.
Have since moved on from the BobWhites and their variations
finally.
Jennifer (03:14):
Oh, you don't have'em at all anymore?
Aaron (03:15):
None at all.
Oh, wow.
Had them make room for Keter.
We just did a big barn expansionfor my newest release, which is
gonna be my largest one, and itis Progressive Pod.
Wow.
I'm sure everyone's seen orheard of Progressive Pod before.
But never actually had a bird, aprogressive high bird.
Jennifer (03:41):
So tell us what makes it special.
Aaron (03:44):
What makes it special?
For me as a breeder with it isthere are no two birds
identical.
So it's every time you hatch outa bird, it'll have a different
white and a different place.
Over generations you will seesome birds that look similar,
(04:04):
but never identical.
So it's like some of'em looklike cookies and cream, I'd say.
Or like for the chickenlisteners, like a Millie slur,
but just white and the basepattern.
So it's, it has been an amazingadventure at almost two years of
(04:24):
working on it.
It has, I finally, I think Ihave it where it is ready to go.
I didn't, I finally foundpatience, guys.
I have been patient withsomething.
Wow.
Because I never planned onselling it because I like to
hoard birds more than cellbirds.
I'm like, they have jumbobrowns.
(04:46):
I could sell jumbo browns.
But I am several generationsdeep into this and.
I tell you, I am extremely inlove with some of the birds.
I don't like a tuxedo.
I'm sure I've said that severaltimes before.
People are tired of hearingthat.
I don't like tuxedos, but I dolike progressive PO just because
(05:10):
of the challenges as itpresented to source it and also
to selectively breed it for whatI want.
Jennifer (05:19):
Is it, is it its own color or is it like a I don't do
you put it over other colors?
Aaron (05:27):
Yeah.
You put it over other colors.
It is a modified there.
Okay.
It is also on, suspected to beon the same locust as like our
dotted white and all of thatstuff.
It is on the s locust.
For OU Genetics nerds out there.
(05:47):
It's a beautiful bird.
It could be on any base pattern.
It is also incomplete, dominant,so it will show up in
heterozygous or homozygous form.
At a first generation crossingyou you'll still see po It won't
be.
As dance as, generations four orfive, but it'll definitely be
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present.
You'll see it on firstgeneration cross.
And when I started playingaround with it, I was working
with Tibetan because that was myoriginal base and I was
interested in seeing if I couldmake it a jumbo because the
birds I got were not.
Large, the birds.
(06:31):
The birds I originally startedwith were seven to nine ounces,
which I mean, Celadons is okay,but I really, I'm a chunky
fella, so I like chunky birds,and so I crossed it with my
jumbo Tibetan, and the weightactually shot up a lot faster
(06:51):
than what I thought.
I'm averaging 12 to 14 ounces ateight weeks old.
And a fancy color.
So I feel like this kind of,'cause I love colors, but I also
love jumbo.
So I feel like for this project,for me was both ends of it
satisfied my needs.
I got the color and I have thesize.
(07:12):
And the size was actually easierto obtain than I throw it
because I'm also doing likejumbo Celadons and whatnot.
And it, it seems like it takesforever to get Celadons up the
jumbos.
And these guys were like.
Two generations in.
I'm like, Hey, look at these bigguys.
Jennifer (07:32):
So the progressive part of it is, it gets wider as
the bird ages?
Aaron (07:37):
Yes.
So as the bird ages and as thebird molts, it'll progressively
get more white on it and it'llstart off as just like a few
white feathers when they're inlike the brooder once they're.
Once they start coming in withtheir failures and then as they
mold, usually when they'recoming out the brooder you they
(07:58):
look pretty magnificent at thatpoint because they got a lot of
pod on them and usually aroundthe four month mark.
They are really good to look at.
And I've been selectivelybreeding for a good equal amount
of pattern and white, because ifyou try to go for too much
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white.
From what I've learned with itis you'll end up breeding the
pattern out of it where it'lljust, it'll actually progress
into a white bird or it'll looklike a splash.
I guess if you want splash, justget splash.
If you want whites, just getwhites.
So I like what I've beenbreeding on, is to keep more
(08:41):
pattern with the whites.
So like I try to stay around 5050.
And it has been working well,too bad this is not a video
podcast'cause I could showpictures, but I do have'em on my
Facebook page.
Jennifer (08:56):
So would it be easy for somebody to be taken
advantage of buy-in birds andeggs and they get English whites
or tuxedos even?
Aaron (09:06):
Could you, I would definitely recommend.
Especially early on with theprogress progressive PO coming
out.
'cause there's several peoplereleasing it early, early
spring.
I would definitely source itfrom a reputable breed as
always.
But you on eBay, you could finda bunch of stuff that says PO on
(09:28):
it because PO is a big key wordright now and Progressive Pod is
completely different than a podbird.
Pipe bird will not progress any,it'll just be powered in his
entire life.
So getting scammed or misled isthe cha the chances there For
(09:49):
sure.
And you'll know at six weeks.
Yes.
It's in New
Jennifer (09:54):
Eugene.
This is a new gene to the UnitedStates, right?
Aaron (09:56):
Yes, it's president of the United States and Germany
and Europe.
It is been in the United Statesofficially probably about five
years.
There's a few big breeders outthere that have it and are
studying it.
And my big breeders, I'm talkingabout breeders that make what I
(10:18):
do seem like a hobby.
And like I always, when I'm inmy barn, I think, man, I have a
ton of birds.
And then I talked to some realbig commercial breeders that
have, 500,000 birds or a millionbirds.
I'm like, yeah, I'm a hobbyist.
Like those guys, they don't dopublic sales and they don't
(10:39):
really, they're not, you're notgonna buy hatching gags from
these large places.
You won't see'em on socialmedia.
That's the kind of thing you geta lot of social media, big
breeders.
And I get, I could group myselfinto that category as well
because that's where I do a lotof my customer interactions.
But they'll put in perspective,the larger forms are not gonna
(10:59):
be on social media and they'renot gonna sell you eggs on eBay
or a website even.
Because I've tried, I'm like,Hey man, would you sell some
eggs?
And they're like, no,
Carey (11:11):
I can picture you with that meme of the guy like
scratching his cheek.
I got the white stuff all overit.
Hey man, lemme get some neweggs.
Aaron (11:21):
I'm I'm trying, I'm like I don't need both kidneys.
Would you take a kidney for adozen hatching eggs?
Carey (11:28):
I only have one, so I can't offer that.
Aaron (11:33):
I'll share hatching gates with y'all.
Give up a kidney.
So the progressive high, likefor me, and I'm looking at some
of my notes through throughoutmy program what I've read for is
for like cleaner edges to whereit's not like the pattern melts
into the white.
Like I want a good crisp edge onthe feathering to where you can
(11:56):
see good definition.
And I know you guys do a lotmore like chicken stuff.
With, I know the shows and all,Carrie, I know you, you big into
that stuff and I'm really, I'mnot a fan of chickens, but I
respect the length of time ittakes to do projects with
chickens.
So I know a lot of that kind ofYeah.
(12:17):
Yeah.
Alone time.
Carey (12:19):
I mean that that's actually what got me into quail
was because when I want to trysomething with chickens, I can
try it a lot faster with, yeah.
Quail.
Aaron (12:30):
Yeah,
Jennifer (12:31):
so you can control the edges color.
Aaron (12:34):
You could select for it to where the edges, or instead
of like color bleeding throughto the white, it'll be more of a
crisp line of feathering.
And it takes a little bit ofexperience.
'cause like when I was readingthe literature on.
Some of the stuff that I had touse Google Translate to read a
(12:56):
lot of this stuff because Ididn't have anyone's, yeah, I
didn't have anyone to like, Heyman, what about this?
Or, I didn't get to work side byside with anyone on it, so I had
to do a lot of my own researchlate at night, Google Translate
and so then I didn't haveanything to go off of.
I didn't have a picture to gooff of.
(13:17):
I had an older picture that.
It wasn't too many years outfrom black and white to look at,
to compare.
So everything was done off ofreading.
And then I finally did make acontact overseas to compare
pictures with.
And kinda, they said I wasbasically, I was going down the
right road.
So after several generations ofit, I developed an eye to where
(13:43):
I could, I was actually seeingwhat I wanted to see.
Carey (13:48):
One of the things that I learned is you wanna talk
chicken and really find like thequiet the things that nobody
else is talking about.
Then you're not gonna talk tosomebody in America about it.
Aaron (14:03):
No.
Carey (14:04):
You're gonna have to go find somebody, find you a
contact overseas.
Jennifer (14:11):
When are you planning on releasing these bad boys?
Aaron (14:14):
These are getting released on Good Friday,
Jennifer (14:19):
black Friday.
Aaron (14:20):
Black Friday.
Where was I this year?
You're all the way
Jennifer (14:24):
in the spring,
Carey (14:26):
Like tomorrow.
Black Friday?
Aaron (14:29):
Yeah, tomorrow, black Friday.
Good.
On my website.
That is my biggest release.
I've, I'm also.
Going to release sparkly PearlWhitewing po, which I do have
whitewing PO in my homesteadmeat baker line'cause Whitewing
PO is one of my largest birds Ihave here right now.
(14:53):
The white wing pies areaveraging 16 ounces and laying a
20 to 22 gram eggs.
Yeah, everything in thatcollection is exceptionally
large and that collection reallydoesn't, it's not necessarily
gonna breed true.
Like you're gonna have on somepharaohs, you can have some
white, like you're gonna have aheterozygous tuxedo.
(15:16):
'cause it's not bred for a colorstandard.
It is bred for size.
So that's, I'm excited torelease that one on its own.
The white wing pod, justPharaoh.
I am releasing Jumble white,Sellon standard White Celadons,
some splash celadons and fellowsensible celadons and feed
(15:42):
tuxedo saladon.
I've been putting in a lot ofsell down work lately.
Jennifer (15:49):
Sounds like it.
Apparently.
Aaron (15:52):
Oh man, it, it has been a project.
I think Christina probably wantsto kill me.
With the brooding,
Carey (15:59):
like with the celadons, I gotta say, you can't really use
LED lights.
Like you can't fully see therichness of the blue under a LED
light.
You gotta have a regular, likereal light or outside,
Aaron (16:20):
outside line is the best.
It's I do have LED lining in thebourne.
But if you really wanna see agood sellon color you have to go
out on sunlight.
I do LED lining because I'mtired of change of bulbs.
Jennifer (16:36):
What color is your feather Sensable cell it on.
Aaron (16:39):
It'll be Pharaoh's and Italians.
Jennifer (17:35):
Nice.
Aaron (17:36):
I'm not ready for the Egyptians just yet.
Close, but not just yet.
Jennifer (17:42):
You don't like Egyptians, right?
Aaron (17:47):
I've grown to like them.
Carey (17:50):
They've grown on you.
So what I'm curious is if youtake a progressive PO bird and
you put it over, say a range,you could potentially get a
crimson and white offspring
Aaron (18:08):
roll time.
Yeah.
So progressive pod, I do havethe red range.
I do have Tibetan Rosetta's andI do have Pharaohs.
And I'm gonna stop there becauseI have more, but that's, that is
what's gonna be for sale.
Carey (18:27):
I have more, but you'll have
Aaron (18:29):
to wait.
Yes.
Jennifer (18:30):
Can you pick the color or you just gonna, do you get
what you get?
I'm gonna.
Aaron (18:34):
I like to do collections to where it's easier for me to
package the eggs and it's also alower price than an individual
color.
And I'm gonna approach this onewith the collection where it'll
be a mixture of all of them oreach individual color.
Each individual color will bemore expensive than the
(18:55):
collection.
Carey (18:58):
Yeah, because as a collection, when you're
collecting, you can collect andyou don't have to really look at
the cage specifically.
Aaron (19:09):
Yeah.
But
Carey (19:10):
when you're getting a specific one, you're, you gotta,
people can't see, but you gottakinda look in there and be like
yeah, I can't read my ownhandwriting on the cage card.
What is that in there?
You wanna make it sure you getit right when you're filling the
orders.
Aaron (19:24):
So I do a lot of things backwards.
So like I, I have my cage card,I print'em out, I laminated it,
and I cut'em up.
And then I write on the cagecard what cage it is.
Now you'd think we are in 2025,about to be 2026.
That I would just type it andprint it.
Nope.
(19:45):
I hand write it.
Carey (19:46):
You can't change that.
Aaron (19:48):
And then sometimes it, when I disinfect things and it
wipes it off and it's, I doeverything the horrible,
Jennifer (19:57):
so I found these nifty little tags on Amazon, of
course, and they close with azipper clothes and they're
plastic, they're washable,they're reusable.
And I actually sent them out onan a email campaign today to all
of my, my email subscribers andI just said, you know what, if
you've got pens or coops orcages or whatever, you need to
(20:19):
see if these things are on salefor Black Friday, because you
can, I still put my painter tapeon'em just because I'm
accustomed to walking aroundwith painter tape on my arm, and
I just write on there and thenstick it right on there.
But they just they're, I'm inlove with those things.
I've, I think I'm gonna orderabout two or three more hundred,
Carey (20:38):
Aaron it's a.
A zip tie that you can undo witha spot to write on it.
That's about an inch and a halfby an inch.
So when you move birds from oneplace to another, you can just
twist the zip tie, pull it out,and take it with,
Jennifer (20:58):
are often, they're pretty nifty.
They're awesome.
Carey (21:01):
Yeah.
Jennifer (21:02):
So I guess we can link that to, in the show notes.
Because, Sure.
Hopefully everybody need,everybody needs some kind of
IDing factor.
Carey (21:11):
You would like to hope they do.
Yeah.
Jennifer (21:13):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I discovered that the painter'stape, which I love so much,
doesn't stick to anything withdust on it, like feed troughs
and stuff.
So I was looking for somethingelse to stick it to and I found
those.
And 16 cents, you can't beatthat with a anything.
Aaron (21:31):
No.
That is a good price.
What I do so like I have fivetier cages and every whole five
tier is like jumbo browns, whichI have multiple of jumbo browns,
but leg band each group.
And I hang at leg band on theegg rollout, and each color
signifies like a weight classand always go from like best
(21:55):
down to worse at the bottom.
And when I'm collecting eggs, Iit's all of'em, which I never
keep anything sounds bad, but Inever keep anything that doesn't
make weight.
It's just like my top one wouldbe like my homestead meat maker
line of the pharaohs, but that'sa red band.
Just red band means if you seeanything red labeled red.
(22:17):
Am I born?
Do not touch it.
It is mine.
Jennifer (22:21):
That's yours.
Aaron (22:22):
It's mine.
Jennifer (22:23):
You sound very organized.
Aaron (22:25):
I am organized chaos.
Jennifer (22:28):
That sounds about right.
Aaron (22:30):
Christina and I cannot package eggs in, in the barn at
the same time.
She cannot be in the barn whenI'm packaging eggs because I
have a system.
It's very chaotic.
And she's if she has a list ofthings to do one through 10,
she's gonna do one through 10.
I'm gonna do two to nine, andthen I'll jump back up to one.
And
Carey (22:49):
Yeah I'm hitting like.
1, 3, 7, 8, 4, and then I'll hitthe rest.
Aaron (22:58):
Yeah, I then I'll throw in like a 12 in there.
Yeah.
Jennifer (23:02):
Yeah.
I'm organized chaos.
Aaron (23:04):
I love it.
I love it.
Carey (23:06):
I'm probably more chaos than organized.
Jennifer (23:09):
You are.
Carey (23:12):
Hey, look, you let 10 people live in your house and
see how that works out.
Jennifer (23:17):
So I'm so organized chaos now that on my, I have a
MacBook, right?
And it has all the, I don't knowwhat they're called, where you
can do like the seven differentdesktops across the front.
One of them is all digitalsticky notes of all the crap
I've got to be doing and, yeah.
Yep.
Aaron (23:36):
That sounds about right.
I have sticky notes.
I use like the micro stickynotes.
Can't see you.
And oh yeah, sticky noteeverything.
And then the writing, the rainnotepads at the pages of
waterproof.
Okay.
Carey (23:49):
I
Aaron (23:49):
keep on like that way I can always write notes.
'cause then of course I live inthe south, so we have three days
of winter and the rest issummertime.
Always sweating and I've ruinedso many notebooks and it's
always like right at the endwhen you have a lot of
information in there that youruin it.
Jennifer (24:05):
Yes.
Aaron (24:07):
Yep.
Jennifer (24:07):
I use voice memos on my phone.
That's how I record notes.
Yep.
Then I have to remember totranscribe'em.
I think I've got 60 that need tobe transcribed right about now.
Good lord.
Yeah, I know, right?
It's a winter project.
Those three days I'll transcribenotes.
(24:28):
We have five days of winter, Idon't know what I
Aaron (24:31):
do.
The last time I went up thereand visited you, it was pretty
cold up there.
Jennifer (24:35):
You brought it with you.
I think it stood at your place,didn't it?
Carey (24:40):
It's compared to Louisiana, it being cold doesn't
really say a whole lot.
Jennifer (24:47):
No.
Nope.
The northern people are laughingat us right now.
Okay, so Ken, yeah.
They're
Carey (24:53):
getting snow already.
Jennifer (24:54):
So everybody listening has to order from you on Black
Friday or this weekend ingeneral, or just the day?
Aaron (25:03):
The entire weekend up until Monday.
And then, and when are they
Jennifer (25:07):
gonna ship?
Aaron (25:09):
I'll start shipping in January unless a specific date
after is requested.
Jennifer (25:15):
Yeah, because like Buffalo, New York people don't
have spring till like April,right?
Aaron (25:20):
Yeah.
Or May.
Yeah.
And I have a few a few earlybirds that already have some
March and April shift dates onsome items.
I honor all of those requests.
If you ordering that far out andyou wanna, like April 12th and
I'm just throwing April 12th outthere, it might be a Saturday,
but if you want to ship thenthat, that is when it's
shipping.
Especially that far out I'll getthere.
(25:41):
And my goal this year is to beno more than seven to 10 days
from order to shipping.
Of course that would be ordersmade after, December when I
actually consider springshipping.
'cause spring shipping for mestarts January.
Jennifer (25:57):
So let's meet back here in April and you let me
know if you're seven to 10 daysbecause I don't know how you can
do that.
I.
Aaron (26:05):
The furthest I got out this spring, I think was six
weeks.
Jennifer (26:09):
Yep.
I think I hit eight weeks onsome colors and that was
stressing me out a little bit.
Aaron (26:17):
Now that I did cheat.
I, when I would get four out, Iwould just remove stuff off the
website and not say anything.
It's what, so I did cheat,
Carey (26:25):
That's not cheating.
That's just Makes sense.
Aaron (26:28):
Yeah.
I don't wanna be sitting onanyone's, anyone's order,
because for me, I've always feltlike when you sit down and you
make an order for hatching eggsor anything in general, you get
really excited.
You got that Christmas morningfeeling and if you are gonna
wait for months without yourorder shipping, you loses the
(26:48):
magic.
So I never, I know how it feels.
I never wanna make anyone elsefeel like that.
It's weird.
Because to me, I'm still aquail, hobbyist, even though I'm
just a larger scale quailhobbyist.
Jennifer (27:02):
We still get excited about our first eggs.
I don't know that I get excitedabout my quail first eggs, but I
definitely get excited about thechicken first Eggs.
Or Turkey and then the Turkeylays their first eggs.
Like I'm all about being onFacebook.
Yes.
I got my first egg for the year.
Aaron (27:19):
I still get excited about the first eggs out of a cage in
the grow out.
I still get excited like that.
We recently got back in thebutton quail, so we had a button
quail hatch, and I didn'trealize that lane was so young
the last time we had buttonquail and we got out of it.
I think it was 2021 when we gotout of it.
So that would put him.
(27:40):
At six years old.
So I guess he was disconnectedfrom it.
He insisted we brooded him inthe house, which I'm against,
but they're in the house.
Carey (27:51):
He has a
Aaron (27:51):
chair next to the brooder and he sits down and just
watches the little button quail.
Jennifer (27:58):
They are so cute.
Aaron (27:59):
They I forgot how tiny they were.
I have a jump.
I hope
Jennifer (28:03):
you have a top on'em because they'll fly out in a
week.
Aaron (28:06):
Yeah they're a lot, they're smaller, but they're a
lot like Bob Whites that theyjust start flying so quick.
Then you got NICs, especiallyjumbo urs, that, I left the
brooder door open on one of mylevels of my tower brooder, and
no birds came out of it.
They were just like, justlooking at me.
I'm like, okay, guys, I'll closethe door.
Jennifer (28:28):
Mine fall out on the floor.
And then they look at me like,now what do we do?
Carey (28:32):
And I put some in the, I put some in my brooder two days
ago, and I'm taking'em outta thebasket into the brooder.
And like they wanted to jumpback in the basket and they'd
fall on the floor and they'djust lay there and they'd start
kicking around and looking at melike, are you gonna get me?
(28:53):
I am like, you're an idiot.
Why?
Why did you do that?
Aaron (28:57):
And so I do I learned something valuable from Jennifer
on, because you remember onetime we had this whole
conversation, all three of us,about heat lamps, and I was
like, team heat lamp, like yo,brutal place.
It's the most ridiculous thingever.
I don't use any heat lampsanymore.
Jennifer (29:16):
The brooder plates are the way to go.
Aaron (29:19):
I it is.
And look, I was, I'm an oldschool chicken person, from the
south, and we are very stubborn,hard to change.
And I got my first one and I waslike, this is ridiculous.
You can't see the heat, but thebirds won't know what to do.
Like everything.
I was just negative Nelly.
And after the first batch ofbirds, they weren't addicted to
(29:41):
the heat and this is great.
What have I been doing?
Then next, another batch.
I lost a ton of birds.
I'm like, they were cold.
What is going on here?
It was about that time that Iseen a post from Jennifer about
raising the totes up off theground.
Carey (30:00):
Oh yeah.
Aaron (30:01):
So we have'em off the ground and I won't, I don't
think I'll ever go back to heatlamp.
Jennifer (30:07):
There's no reason to.
I think really honestly, thatlifting off the floor solves 90%
of brooding problems.
If I'm scanning through Facebookand people are like, I've got
the heat on point, I've got thison point, I've got that on
point.
And if you say, send me apicture like a broad picture of
your brooder set up, 90% of'emwould be on a cold floor.
(30:31):
And it just seeps up through thebottom of the box or the tote or
whatever it is, and they getchilled from the bottom.
Carey (30:39):
And with quail it, it don't matter how many shavings
or stall pellets, you can havethree inches thick if crap, and
they still get cold.
They want to die.
Aaron (30:52):
Yep.
Oh yeah.
And you know how I do everythingthe hard way, so I use Tower
Brooders, but the first five toseven days they are in totes.
So out the incubator, five toseven days in totes with heat
plates, then Tower Brooders.
Yep.
So like we're constantly movingand I'm pretty sure at some
(31:15):
point, Christina.
Will end up sticking me in atower brooder and locking the
door because I think it's likeevery two days that we're moving
stuff around I say we, she ismoving stuff around, but it
works like I'm talking aboutlike less than 1% of of death
rate in brewers.
Jennifer (31:35):
So we do the same thing.
I set eggs on Fridays.
They hatch on Tuesdays, I movethem on Wednesdays.
We, the egg, the week old chicksgo out from the tubs to the
wire, bottom floor cages at sixdays so I can clean the brooders
again and restart again forWednesday.
You have to have a system whenwe're at the scale that we are
(31:58):
or it domino effects.
I know that you can hear thatI'm still congested.
You don't get a day off.
You don't.
It.
It's a machine that keeps movinglike in three week increments.
Carey (32:11):
Yeah.
It cracks me up every timesomebody wants to get into any
kind of farming.
They're like, oh yeah, this isgreat.
I'm like, you realize if youtake a day off, your animals
don't eat.
Aaron (32:23):
They're there goes those Bahamas strips
Carey (32:27):
and Look, I'm gonna tell you this.
It is hard to find good help.
I've tried.
Yeah.
Jennifer (32:34):
That's a whole nother ball game.
Yeah.
I also saw Christina has cosnow, is she putting them on the
website?
Aaron (32:43):
She has decided to list them some bar coachings.
They are the large file ones.
We've been having them for acouple years and she finally
decides that she wants to put'emon.
That and I listed her Silkies acouple weeks back.
She's, so we have chicken eggsavailable on the website now,
Jennifer (33:06):
and it's your anniversary this weekend and
you're bringing her to Bryant'sroost to celebrate the
anniversary.
That is the plan.
Yeah.
Aaron (33:14):
We're gonna, we're gonna celebrate Brian's roost.
That's awesome.
Jennifer (33:17):
That's the anniversary destination now?
Aaron (33:20):
Yeah it's, she knows if I'm like, Hey, let's plan this
trip.
Chances are we gonna get into alittle bit of trouble if
something's gonna involve a birdsomewhere?
Jennifer (33:29):
Wow.
Aaron (33:31):
But I gotta get my, I gotta stock up on shipping foam
Jennifer (33:33):
yep.
Aaron (33:34):
And I don't like to pay shipping.
Jennifer (33:36):
You don't?
You're cheap that way.
Aaron (33:38):
Yeah.
Yeah, I get it.
I pay enough shipping, hatchingeggs that I don't wanna pay
anybody else for shipping.
And right now is the worst timeof the year to ship'cause
shipping prices are elevated.
Jennifer (33:48):
Yes, they are.
All right, tell everybody againwhat your website is and how to
find your sale prices.
Aaron (33:55):
It is Keros Family Farm.
There will be no no coupon codeneeded.
Everything's just automaticallyat midnight Thanksgiving night,
it's gonna flip over to 30% off.
Jennifer (34:10):
Wow.
Good deal.
Okay.
And then you're on Facebook,you're on YouTube, you're on all
the stuff.
Aaron (34:15):
All the stuff.
And next next Sunday afterThanksgiving is my one year
YouTube live anniversary.
So I've been doing live streamsfor one year on YouTube.
So I'll probably do a bunch ofgiveaways, then I usually, and
when I get bored on YouTube livestreams, I just start giving
away hatching eggs.
Jennifer (34:35):
That's a great business model.
Aaron (34:38):
I have found that.
I feel I get a lot more pleasuregiving things away than I do
selling.
I get feedback from customersthat purchased and I'm like, oh
cool.
Congratulations on you.
Good hatch.
And then someone that I gavefree hatching eggs, sends me
pictures and Hey, I had thisgreat hatch, and I get all
giddy,'cause it's special tothem.
Jennifer (34:56):
Yeah.
Aaron (34:57):
Yeah.
Jennifer (34:57):
Yep.
Brian's roost is having a bigBlack Friday sale too that's
ongoing through Cyber Monday.
And I do have some fantasticdeals on egg foam if you wanna
find that there.
If you wanna start shipping inthe spring.
Carey (35:15):
Yeah.
Jennifer (35:16):
Carrie, you got any sales going on?
Carey (35:18):
So Show Pro is going to have their breeder supplement on
sale.
It is gonna be probably thebiggest sale it's ever been on,
and it will be starting wheneverI create it tonight or in the
morning till Monday, not atmidnight.
(35:41):
No coupon code needed.
You'll just go to a parti, aparticular website and buy.
Jennifer (35:51):
There you go.
A lot of it.
Thank you, Erin, for coming backagain.
Look forward to seeing youagain.
Aaron (35:57):
Yeah, thanks for having me.
Jennifer (36:01):
All right.
See you guys next.
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