Mystery Inc FT. Sistas Who Kill Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There was a woman sixty two years old. Her name
is Stephanie Brinson. Her husband has been in jail since
like the nineties. She went to visit him conjugal visit.
So when they do these conjugal visits that get like
thirty to forty hours in these like apartment style things hours, Yeah,
they can stay there for like a whole day, you know,
if you're married. So she, I mean, this is her husband.

(00:22):
She went to visit that man. He's like, hey, my
wife passed out. You know, something's going on. So they're like,
oh my gosh, you know they and she passed away.
They don't know. They did the autopsy. That man strangled her.
Why I don't because he's a murderer. And that's what
they do. What's up, y'all? It's your girl licks P

(01:07):
and it's your girl dre and a call and you
are tuned in to another episode of Poor Mind where
a drunk mind speaks. So we thought we got some
guests today. We got some guess today, okay, y'all. So
first of all, it's very rare that we have two
guests sitting on the couch with that. Okay, So I

(01:28):
just want to say I am so excited to share
my platform with these beautiful women today. I have been
trying to facilitate this link up for a long time,
but y'all know me, I don't be remembering what I
did yesterday. So we finally made it happen and we
have the one, the only, the beautiful Mara and Task
from Sisters Who Kill Podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, thank y'all so much for I'm excited for this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yes, I said. One thing that I wanted to make
sure that me and Dred this year is share our
platform with other women in this space because I feel
like I hate when people say, oh, take the mics away,
take the mics away, No, we need to get more.
It's not enough of us in this space. Truly, Like
I don't feel like it's enough of us in this space.

(02:16):
And then I hate when people complain about, oh, this
is what y'all talk about. I'm like, there's so many
different genre of podcasting out here. Y'all just not looking,
y'all just not looking.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
I agree with that for sure. An y'all are best friends.
We love having besties on the colt. We ever had
besties on the car?

Speaker 1 (02:34):
I think we have before. I'm trying to think. I think,
why guess someone to think about cock sels? Yeah, they're
not best friends, they friends though, Okay, Yeah, anyways, you
know I love having friends on the college.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
I say we're long kicking.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Let's just say I love having friends on the couch.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
But y'all happened to be busy, just like yeah, because
y'all tell us a little bit about how y'all met
and how y'all decided to start a true crime podcast.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
How we met.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Marian and I went to high school together, okay, and
we didn't.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Like each other because was trying to steal my man.
Oh that's the story that she.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Noted the team trying to steal her man.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Girl.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
I had been going to that school since ninth grade,
but Marie didn't get there until tenth grade. And in
ninth grade, I have made a best friend, okay, and
then she started dating my best friend, and.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
I was trying to figure out who this girl was
was always hanging out with my man. We already have
a year in a game like this.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Was a platonic friend, correct, Okay, I didn't like him,
not even I did.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
But I didn't want this is your first time?

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Well, I don't know that you've ever asked me, but
I think there's always probably been. There was something there,
but I never wanted to go there because I didn't want.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
To ruin the friendship. I love friendship and friendship on
his own.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Everybody, and then he runs a friendship on his own,
so okay.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
And so we weren't friends at first, but high school,
like I was, I was kind of the new kid
on the block. I made some friends that actually weren't
really cool, and it was a lot of drama. And
then one day Task came out to me when we
were in class together. She said, I know we're not
cool like that, but them girls is not your friends. Yeah,
they are talking about you right now. And I was
like what. She was like, we love a real She

(04:32):
was like, I know we're not cool, but like it's
like they're your business and she's like yeah. She was
like I know your business and I should not because
we're not cool, right And then ever since then, I
was like, you were real.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
I love it. Since okay, So what made y'all get
into like the true crime stuff?

Speaker 3 (04:50):
I think Maria has been telling me we need to
start a podcast. Okay, probably twenty fourteen, so you the
league yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
She It was like, we need to start a buy again.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
I think we're interesting. I said, we're so interesting, Like
we'll be on the phone for hours. People should pay.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
To hear this.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, we just need to be documented.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
We couldn't find it.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
And then a pandemic hit and Morales was door dashing
and she was listening to a lot of true crime
while door dashing, like podcasts, and I was watching documentaries
like You and Obomber and everything, and so you know,
usually during the day you talk about what you've been
doing with ain't nobody doing nothing in them? So we
was talking about, oh, this is the case I heard,
This is the case I heard.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
And we was like, you know what this is it?

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yes, it's a podcast. So let me ask y'all this
because I am really I'm deep in the true crime streets. Okay,
But so what I've realized being a fan of like
true crime stuff is that you really have to be
careful on how you report these stories because you have
to remember, although it is entertainment for some people, they're

(05:57):
still victims, they're still families. So how do y'all go
about like choosing which stories to talk about, which ones
to not when do you know to kind of like
you can laugh and make a joke when not, Like,
how do y'all get in that territory.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
I think we told the line about when to laugh
and whennot, and I think we do that really well.
But we've honestly we've made mistakes. Like we've talked about
a case where it was too soon and somebody reached
out and was like, hey, so we just put them
in the ground not tell this story. And I think
because we were so caught up in the fact that
like it's a hot story, everybody's talking about it on
TikTok right now, we need to tell this story, we've

(06:31):
definitely made those mistakes. And also, all of our cases
are about black women, and so it's very hard because
the media does not represent black women in the best
light no matter what. So it takes a lot for
us to take the information that's available and then kind
of pick apart what part is the media sensationalizing, which

(06:52):
part is like her real life.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
So yeah, have y'all ever like delete an episode or
something because like it was just becoming too much drama
around it or anything.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
And I don't think anything's ever became too much drama
right the next week another episode.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Job, Yeah, that's how we be feeling too.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
They'd be like, they don't forget about it, y'all, No,
we done deleted it episode.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
But that was.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Okay, right, right?

Speaker 5 (07:18):
Right?

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Okay, So y'all have been doing the podcast since what
twenty one? So do y'all feel like being black women
in this space? Are there a lot of other black
people in the true crime genre?

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (07:32):
There there is.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
There are I same majority of our fan bases black women, really.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
And so they listen to other podcasts that represent them. Okay,
I dare say we're one of the larger ones, but
you know for sure, Yeah, but they definitely exist, Like
there are some smaller ones that do cases that we
haven't done yet that I still listen to them and
get some use them as sources. So they exist. But
I think everybody's style is different. Everybody's research is different.

(08:00):
Some people just watch for my man and they report
just for my mansas and I take a lot of
time to deep dive and full records and interview people
if they're available, read books if they're available. So everybody's researching,
their style is different.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Right, So is there a lot of drama in the
true crime podcast world, like, oh, they got this from
my podcast, and they you know, they stole this information
because in our podcast genre, it's always people beefed up
and fighting.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
I wouldn't say a lot, but I'm not gonna say
that it's never.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Happened right right, right, like I would say, even we've
had to set the record straight once or twice.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
A couple of weeks ago, somebody in the discussion group
made a comment saying, oh, not my two favorite black
true crime podcasts doing the same case in the same week. Oh,
And she was like, that was disappointing, but I'm gonna
listen anyways.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
For I was kind of feeling.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
A way, listen, this is what I said. We have
so much much going on and we do so much research.
I promise you, I'm not calling the next podcast and saying, hey,
what episode are you dropping this week? Oh yeah, we're
thinking about dropping this one too. And then no Shade,
no tea. That's not a podcast that I listened to,
because I listened to a lot of true promise Well,
I said, I just I was like, did you I

(09:17):
pulled up their episode. There're episodes an hour, ours is two.
It took us three weeks to research this episode, where
it usually takes us a week to reacharch. I was like,
leave me alone. And then we've had sometimes where fans
of two different podcasts will try to put us against
each other. So we've had somebody call us up and
be like, so we heard that in your discussion group.
Your fans are saying this, and you're allowing them to

(09:38):
say this. And I was like, hold on, wait, we'll
be going down. I promise I don't.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I'm not gonna police grown folks. Yeah, promise, I'm not.
So it's been drama, but I can't.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Say this frequent.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
It's not free, Okay. Everybody tries to stay in their
own lane, right right?

Speaker 1 (09:55):
How do y'all.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Stop y'all feels from becoming paranoid? Because that's my thing
with true crime. I feel like if I watch it
all the time, it starts to become hearing ay, and
I feel like people are just forget me, like I
don't even want girl, but exactly. So, it's like, with
y'all doing all of this research and watching so many documentaries,

(10:18):
reading so many books all the time, how do you
stop yourself from not being paranoid? Every time you leave
your house, keep that strap. I don't know. I feel like.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
My sister's like there's one sister I can't I have
to ask permission to tell.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Her about a case, yes, to see if she can
hold it. The other one to be like, I don't
know how you do this scary stuff.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
It was like, it's not scary, it's just a story,
like it don't don't but it happened.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Though it would be different if it was speaking. But
it's like, nah, these shit really scary parts of the
thing or the cases where they unalive somebody random, Like
I can make I can keep myself out of situations
like I am going to make sure that my insurance
policies are in people that I really trust. I'm going
to make sure that my friends around me are people

(11:11):
that I can really trust. If I feel like I'm
getting into a heated situation, I'm going to probably just
go to the car and get away from it. But
it's the scary ones are definitely the people that you
don't know, and I don't know you know what else
I think.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
I think I've always been scared of something, Like my
biggest ear growing up was being kidnapped, Like grow me food,
Like I used to sleep in the middle of my sisters,
so they came from either side and get somebody first.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
I feel like as soon as I became self aware,
there was a fear of mind.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
All the times, I feel like I've always had this mindset,
I don't feel like paranoia like cases, I'm already on
the lookout.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
But I think it was a good point in saying
like most of the cases though, because I used to
be that way too, Like, oh my gosh, this is
scaring me, this is scaring me. But most of these
it's by loved ones. It's by people that they know,
you know what I'm saying, Like, random crimes do happen,
but most of the time when we're hearing these horrific
stories of things happening to people, it's by somebody that

(12:11):
they know. So I think, you know, that's a good
point that you made. You're making sure that you're surrounded by,
you know, good people that you know. I mean, obviously
these people didn't know that, you know, their best friend
or their husband was a un murderer or something like that.
But that's what I think, Like kind of doesn't make
me so paranoid when I deep dive into these stories,
and I think sometimes too, it helps me kind of like, Okay,

(12:34):
this is a red flag, so I can notice this
in somebody, like if you acting a little funny, you
all of a sudden talking about it to watch. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, something going down? What's going down?

Speaker 2 (12:45):
No, Yeah, you're right, because I was definitely doing my
research and I was looking at y'all page and you
was talking about some lady.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
This is like from a year ago.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Okay, she was talking about some lady named Willa or
something like that, and she and she killed that all
white men. And I'm like, she was really staking the place.
He was really praying on these men, and she did
not know him, she didn't know nothing about him. Found
out he had a whole bunch of money, and he
you just decided, I'm just gonna kidnap these men and
un alive him. But you know what, that man was

(13:13):
paranoid and that no because he was a little old man.
He's just like this woman mistake in my house.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
I was listening to him, and that man was trying
to tell people and it was because he had like
a pin pal that he wrote to that he said
because you know, old white men send emails to pen pals,
and they stopped getting their pin pal letters and they
started knowing to look for him. And he was saying,
there's this lady that just keeps popping up in my house.
I don't know. And he was on or something too,

(13:42):
because she took him out the game.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
The first story I saw that y'all had that I
really fell in love with y'all was Damn, what's that
lady name? She was the wife of the NBA Sarah
Robinson shera right Robinson. Yes, yes, that was like because
I remember when. I don't remember when it happened, because
obviously I was a teeny top, but I just remember

(14:06):
the story just being like everywhere and it was just
so like in thesane And I'll say, and I do
have a question because you said it texts, because y'all
got really into some details. And I think one thing
about these true crime stories, especially when they're popular, is
we're pretty much hearing the same story over and over again.

(14:27):
Like I'm sorry, I don't need to hear about Jean
Baonne Ramsey any more. If we have heard every single version,
every single conspiracy theory, So what approach do y'all take
when it's a story that's so big that people have
been talking about, and you can like, Okay, well we
have something different to offer y'all with this story, especially

(14:49):
with the story with like Shira.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Sometimes I think it's share like naivete, Like I don't
really know much about sports ball, so like I honestly
didn't know that story as much, so I kind of
went into it very curious. So and that helps us
have a different perspective. We have a couple of cases
like that that are super popular that some I've heard
of before, and then some of them I'm fresh to

(15:12):
it and I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm so happy
I have all of this information so I can consume
it and that week I'm dedicated to consuming it. But
usually it's just having a clear mind going into it.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
I think it's also just knowing that even if somebody's
heard the case, they've never.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Heard it, how we tell it right, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Like we approached this when we were building a format
for the show. I was like, I wanted to be
these phone conversations, so nobody is telling it this relaxed,
nobody is going off on tangents where they're relating and
you start to sympathize with them. Nobody's telling it in
that perspective. So I think even even if we did
tell John Bene Rams, we'd have that other perspective that

(15:54):
nobody else is talking about or afraid to mention, because
we're tolling closer to that line, right, because we're being
more relaxed about it.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Right, Like, if we told that case, I know, I'd
be like, and we all know that it was the brother,
and we we'd go into it a little bit different.
And everybody usually, like a lot of true crime cases
or storytellers, black, white and different, whatever, they usually start with.
And we we open our scene and it's a murder.

(16:21):
Now we're gonna go back, and we're like, no, no, no,
let's start with her. Let's tell her entire We get
to know her, you know, before we get to the crime.
So by the time we get to the crime, you're
either like she was set up from the start, wars
like this bitch really just decided all the way.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah, so y'all start from the beginning, beginning with it.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
And another thing that I feel like really separates y'all too,
is like how y'all highlight the difference between how black
women and white women are treating I mean, we you know,
the justices, because I feel like that's something that a
lot of other podcasts don't do in the true crime space. Yeah,
I feel like to piggyback because I remember, like, of
course everybody know the the what's her name Jody Arias story,

(17:07):
and I mean everybody knew she was a monster in
x y Z.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
But it's like when she went in jail. Now she's
like writing books, her books be sold out, like men
be writing her like, and they just sensationalize it like
she's a celebrity. And it's so crazy to me because
it's never and I'm not saying that a black woman
deserves that, because at the end of the day, they're still,
you know, murderers.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
But it happened with so many white people, like yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
It's like they get turned into like beyond jay Z
or something, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
At least don't see that with black women. Like we're
trying to research a case right now, and she has
a book and I can find the title of the book,
I can see the cover of the book. I cannot
find that book in mewhere, And it's like, but I
can find I can find any white murderess's book on Amazon,
but I can't find her book anywhere anywhere. And I'm like,

(18:02):
I want to hear her side of the story so
that I can properly tell the story or get details
that don't exist. And it's very, very difficult.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
The girl, well, I think her name was Sentoya Brown
when she had killed that guy, and everybody was just like,
she needs to be in jail at the end of
the day. She killed somebody, but it was like she
was a victim.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, she was being trafficked like one of victim.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
But then you look on the other side of what
was the lady's name, y'all, I'm really bad with names.
The movie Monster, that Charlie's thron.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Oh, Joel, what was her name? I know who he's
talking about. I can't remember the lady name either.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Like google the movie Monster, see what the lady name was.
But yeah, but it was she had the basically the
same story. Yeah, And I mean people were protesting, they
were up in arms about you know, her getting you know,
being arrested, and and she had killed multiple men. It
was like she was on the road. What's her name, Alleen,

(19:03):
that's her name, Aleen Weerno's. But I feel like they
kind of had the same story and it was just
like they I mean, everybody was on her side, like, oh,
she's a victim, she's a victimist and that. But it's
like in her story, after a while, she started hunting
these men. Ye, she was hunting them. Literally, people were
still protesting her, and in Centoya's case, she was literally
defending herself. So I always think it's crazy how black

(19:26):
women are treated versus you know, white women in these stories.
But that kind of brings us to our first topic
that we want to talk about today, because we want
to talk about like when black women go missing, so
we want to talk about it from more of a
victim standpoint. You know, it's kind of like who cares?
I think this was a point that was brought up
recently with the Gabby Patito story. I mean, it was

(19:48):
everywhere you couldn't get on Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, Facebook, and
it's so many black women that that's their same story.
You know, they go missing due to their part or somebody,
their father or whatever, mother anything, and they call it
the missing white woman's syndrome, Like, is it real, Do

(20:08):
y'all think media is finally starting to change or is
it kind of still the same when it comes to
white women victims versus Black women.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
It's absolutely real. Yeah, yeah, Like I think.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
It takes so much effort to even try and get
people to to care about black stories in general, and
especially black girls. There's always a reason to turn it
on their fault. They're they're over sexualized at a young
age because their bodies developed faster, so then it turns
that they're being grown or the void was a thug,
Like there's always an excuse to why the black person

(20:42):
doesn't deserve justice, and white people always kind of get
that benefit of the doubt, like, oh, well, he just
needs mental issues. He's got he needs help, you know
what I'm saying. But nobody's offering that help or that
was resources to the black people or even that sympathy.
And so it's absolutely I think.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
And I know this might be a little y'all gonna be,
but I think that's the same thing with r. Kelly,
the fact that people are just always like him. His
music is just too good. Y'all gonna sit up here
and say that R Kelly not let at the end
of the day, look at his crimes.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
I cannot separate the art from the artist. I can't
do that.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
I can depending on what it is, like if it's
just because like like for example, Cynthia Ribo, Okay, y'all
feel some way because she took that lady from that
other lady. Whatever? That ain't you know that people? Yeah,
I'm just using that for the people who use that
for an example, not her African American comments. Yeah, I understand,

(21:47):
but or for even for Ariana Grande. If people don't
like stuff like that is like, okay, whatever, But if
it's like as something as serious as the crimes that
R Kelly did, that her kid, Yeah, that literally has victims,
women crying and saying how this has affected their entire lives.
And it's always like she said, oh, they were fast,

(22:07):
they went out looking for him.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
And you know that the r Kla case is honestly
so triggering for me because he knew exactly he had
a victim profile. Just like a murderer. He was looking
for young black women that were a strange from their families,
that wanted to that wanted to have a musical career, right, yeah,

(22:28):
And I just think about myself, like I was a
strange from my family, fresh into college at an HBC.
You really wanted to get my career off the ground.
And I'm like, wow, like I fit his victim profile
like that one. That's the one where it's like that
one hits so close to home that I think I
watched the first documentary. When the other ones came, I
just literally can't because people don't realize that just because

(22:52):
it's not murder doesn't mean that it wasn't a crime. Right,
It's a serious crime. So yeah, it's hardy. It's very
cringey online when people get online and they like, well,
I don't care what R.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Kelly did. I'm still going to listen to his music.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
You sound crazy as fuck because if this was your daughter,
your niece, your sister, you will be raising hell. But
because it doesn't affect you, you don't care. Oh, let's
still at least Le's step in the name a lot, right, No.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, so I think every now and then we do
have a case that kind of the case of Nazaiah Hair.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, I was just thinking about that, yeah, because that's
what I was really like.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
I had got so caught up in this case in
January of this year, So Desai, if y'all don't know,
Deasaia Harris was a thirteen year old girl who was
allegedly murdered by her aunt's boyfriend and they had a
sexual relationship between them two. She had allegedly gotten pregnant.

(23:48):
He found out, and you know, she went missing. She
went missing. And I think sometimes now I do like
the fact I feel like TikTok has kind of changed
things a little bit, a little bit, And I'll tell
you why, because I feel like a lot of times
these stories like I'm not gonna lie. Did I turn
on the TV and see Nazaiah story? No, But I

(24:09):
was able to get on TikTok because now we are
in a time where people don't really go to like
we don't have like the Nancy Grace anymore. You know
Nancy Grace. Every time he turned on the TV, she
was on what was that lady? Ain't that killed her daughter?

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Oh Jody?

Speaker 1 (24:27):
I can't remember her name, so Casey, but her daughter was,
but she was on her ass every day without letting up.
We don't really have that anymore. So I can say
it's a lot of TikTok creators who do true crime,
and they specifically focus on black victims, especially young black
girl victims. So I feel like TikTok really helped get
her story out there, and that's why a lot of

(24:49):
people started talking about it and it ended up being
on Court TV and stuff like that. So do y'all
kind of feel like TikTok helps her hinder things?

Speaker 2 (24:57):
I would say, I think TikTok is it's to Google.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
It's yeah, yeah, but like it definitely gives a way
for people to push their stuff out there in a
much bigger sense than we had the abilities to do
in the nineties even the early two thousand. Like my Space,
even if you make a post, it's only going to
your friends, TikTok has the opportunity to go viral and.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Right thousands and stuff. So it's definitely a resource.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, yeah, you didn't have back then.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
I mean, I feel like, you we have to put
it out there because if we don't, nobody else is.
I remember I was reading an article. This is actually
a few years ago, so the numbers have probably changed now,
but I remember I was reading an article and it
said like three hundred thousand women are missing in the
United States, and thirty percent of them are Black women,
but we only make up fourteen percent of the population.

(25:48):
That's really insane if you think about it. In South
a lot of these local a lot of local governments
and like states have to make up their own rules.
They have to make up stuff like the Ebuity alert
because the federal government is doing nothing to help find
these black missing women and girls.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
I've never heard of the Ebony alert. Yeah, it's similar
to the Amber alert. The Amber alert before black women
I never knew.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
And the thing is, since the federal government has been
doing it like it's state by states. Some states don't care.
They do not care. They don't care if you are
a victim, they don't care if you're missing. They don't
care unless you have the money to give to them.
And some states are they have the people involved that
are doing but a lot of these red states still
do not care and they won't lift a finger for you.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
So what do y'all think, Like, are the best ways that, like, say,
has anybody ever reached out to y'all like, Hey, this
is what's going on. Can y'all report on this so
I can get my story out there of what's going on.
How do y'all handle stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
I don't think we've handled it yet because right now
we cover finished cases, right, Okay, we tell the case
from beginning to end. So for somebody to say can't
tell the story, it doesn't necessarily fit our format. But
I do like to like, if somebody comes to me
and says, hey, bring awareness to this black girl missing,
I'd be like, you should go to black Girl Gong

(27:08):
where she's highlighted. She's got people focusing on black girl missing,
and that's like a better platform for you to use. Yeah,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Sorry, y'all to know that there are platforms out there,
like yeah, people are doing it as will. And even
in our discussion group, we have like twenty five thousand
people in there, and all they do is discuss true crime.
So they were constantly keeping up with cases. They'll even
post for each other.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
There was a time where somebody's family member went missing
and the discus.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
They found them.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
My family, your family member went missing.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
One of my one of my little cousins went missing
in Texas, and so I was just and I was
just like, I have this platform. My little cousin is missing.
About him, and then one of our fans reached out
to one of her friends that lived in Texas in
Dallas and he was like, oh, yeah, I've seen him
and was able to reach out. So I was able

(27:59):
to reach out to my aunt aunt that lived in
the palace, so they all were able to reunite and
find him. So yeah, we found him.

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Speaker 1 (29:50):
I looked on Netflix right mm hm. And you know
there's a whole true crime section. When I tell y'all,
there's no stories about black women on there, Oh yeah, none.
Like I'm scrolling, they have all these American murder, American
mystery and all these you know, women who are not.
Like I said, I'm not taking away from their stories
because at the end of the day, we're still women
and we're still victims. But I did not see I

(30:12):
think the only story that I saw I don't need
to start. I should have wrote down these people's names,
but I didn't know I was going to be bringing up.
What was the girl's name? She has a short film
on Netflix. She it was like in the eighties or nineties,
and she was in La and she was going to
get like a soda out of the store and the Chinese.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Oh, her anniversary just came up. The anniversary of her
death just came up.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yes, And he basically shot her because he thought she
was stealing, but shot her at like point blank range,
like righting her face.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Oh yeah, I know it's you. I know who you's starting.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
I'm sorry, I can't think of her name right now,
but that's like the only story that I've seen on Netflix.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
And I always ask myself why, and I think part
of it is the lack of coverage, like people just
don't care, the government, entities don't care. And I think
another part of it is that it's really fun on
these white true crime podcasts because you have a lot
of witnesses. Black folks don't want to talk to the
TV about their crimes or their cousins mama's crimes. And

(31:10):
I think that it's something in the culture that we
have which I think helps us in some ways, but
it also hinders us in other ways. Like we did.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
I'm sorry, I just want to say her name. I
just googled it. It's Latasha Harlan's. I just want to
say her name, just so you know.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
We did a case in Detroit, no in Saint Louis,
and somebody was like, dang, y'all finally did a case
in Saint Louis, like we always there's always crimes, and
I was like, yeah, but all the crimes are gang related.
And this crime somebody killed somebody because somebody was a
witness to this crime, and it was because of the
reason that it came out was because people were snitching.

(31:48):
Nobody wants to tell the crimes because nobody wants to
interupate in the next victim. So I guess the question
is how do we bring light to these stories while
also bringing peace to the community because people don't want.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
To talk, right, Are y'all afraid to tell stories like
that when it is like gang related stuff? Or do
y'all strapped up? That's how everything. I keep that on
me because I'm not gonna lie it be sometimes like
I'll deep dive into stuff and like because I had
this whole like moment where I was like really deep

(32:20):
into like all the ship Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
It was just so I think the Chicago one we
did k I and people, they was like, I don't.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Know if I should be covering that little girl was
something deep dives, and I mean I was just glued.
I mean I was googling, googling, and we was watching
it together. It was so good but.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
So much And like when we covered that case, I
had to get a board and I was writing, Okay,
so he mad at him for this, so that he
retaliated to them.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
So that was her cousin, so now she in it.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
It's and now he's smoking on somebody in the lyrics
because he died ten years ago.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
But then he retaliated with this rap discy.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
It'd be so much and it's so alarming how young
they are. Yeah, they'd be like twelve on yuys, wetn't
that block up twelve?

Speaker 2 (33:16):
And I already got a couple bodies And I'm like,
I didn't even know what that meant the.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
Girl.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
But I said that because I remember I was talking
about on the show for a little bit, and it
was people in the comments like, lex keep it cute,
watch out you making jokes. I'm like, I am from
Orange Texas. I don't want no, I've never talked, but
you know it's crazy about that stuff is that it's
still going on, Like yeah, so for stuff like that.

(33:45):
That's why I said I tread lightly on certain things.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Though.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Do y'all feel like y'all have to tread lightly on
like certain stories that y'all do, or y'all to be like,
I don't care. Look, we just reporting these stories.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Most of most of them weren't gang related. I feel
like the only reason one when you hear a lot
about a gang related body, it's not usually black women.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
It's usually black men.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Yeah, so I think that narrows our pull a lot.
And I think this one was also sensationalized. There's a
lot of coverage out there already, and so we're just
going to, like these people said, and these people trying
to get careful about it. But I just I don't
know that we necessarily get the opportunity to even that
to tread.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Lightly because I know they was in them comments with
that chaos story because yeah, yeah, because then it got
with King Vaughan and that story too. I said, oh,
this tea too.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
But then I felt like with King von being a
part of it, that's what sensationalized and made it more
more of a mainstream.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Topic, right right, That's why people cared about it. Okay,
So what we brink into that, girl, because this is
very good and refreshing.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
I was over here looking up some of these.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
You hold on strong, girl.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
A couple more months. So this cocktail is going cocktail
or mocktail. This one is gonna be called killing me softly.
So for this one, you can add any spirit of choice,
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Andrea and we have some honey gensing green tail. Oh

(35:20):
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(35:40):
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(36:02):
out there. So this is the killing me softly.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
This is y'all delicious. Maybe is this a new hairstyle?

Speaker 4 (36:08):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
I learned to blend in my little lady look. I
went outside the other day.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
I was bogus and I love the red lip too,
thank you. Okay, so let's get into topic number two.
So for topic number two, I thought this would be
a funny topic. I really wanted to talk about love
behind bars and how like, so many women fall in
love with men that are incarcerated, and a lot of
the time when you see, at least this is my opinion,

(36:40):
I think that a lot of the time women go
for men that are incarcerated because they feel like, oh,
he's gonna be loyal to me. He don't have no options,
he don't have no choices, and that's usually the reason
why they want to date them in the first place. First,
that a lot, Go ahead, girl, because I think that's
a lot too.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
I think he will be in there and he got
nothing to do but write several different women all day,
so feeling dreams.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
What you think?

Speaker 2 (37:06):
I had an ex and my exes Mama's boyfriend was
in jail. Yeah, I know. That took a while, and
while we were in college, she was getting artwork from
her exes Mama's boyfriend because that he made out of
trash bags because he was so bored and had nothing
else to do. And I also think that.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
They're cheating.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
They chat, and it's crazy to me because people in there, I.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Mean, you don't see you don't see in the jail shows,
and they be sending the notes through the toilets.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
In there, especially if you especially if you're just in
jail and you ain't made it to prison, you can
definitely the women are right on the other side.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
I don't I.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Personally don't understand why you would do that because like
he's not working, you're putting money on his books, like
sometimes to talk to him, Like how do y'all even meet?
Like you gotta call through his mama or something. Yeah,
I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
It's it's not for me.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Same But well, I was just gonna say, cause I
have somebody that I know personally, I have a family member.
They were in jail for a really long time and
then they got married while they were in jail and
still married. Now ended up getting out of jail, still married,
but they had a baby on the way, not by

(38:34):
their wife.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
So that's why I'm like when people are saying, oh,
I think that they're gonna be loyal to me and
they don't have options. No, baby, they gonna find options,
especially once.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
They get out.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
They're gonna find an option once they're back outside. It's
a pleasan rov options because they're not even used to
seeing women all the time. They're not even used to
having this much access. So it's plenty of options, and
especially if they find right.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
I have ru pid niggas, be fine my family, but
to work out.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, he is okay, he's Jesus, I had an exit.
Went to jail on our show. He's called redacted number
one and redacted number one, and I love it. He
he went to jail like my sophomore year of college.
And we weren't together, but like we were always very close,
and so I remember his mom was like, hey, redacted

(39:24):
number one got locked up. I put you on his
list so he can call you. And I was just like,
oh for what for burglary? When I know y'all got
my money, So I stopped answering his phone calls. All
of a sudden, he started having conversation with another girl
that it was his friend's girlfriend at one point, and

(39:46):
her and I never liked each other, but now they're
married and they live happily ever after. So I guess
jail love is for those who's it's for, but.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
It was not for me. I mean it worked out
for some people.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
We I personally used to love watching Love.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
After a Life, That's what we were just talking about
Carter filming. Yeah, I used to love this show. Now,
I mean it worked for some people. Now I do
out a horror story now, y'all. I've seen this on
TikTok last night. I had to google her name because
I don't like not saying people names. So there was
a woman sixty two years old. Her name is Stephanie Brinson.
Her husband has been in jail since like the nineties.

(40:21):
She went to visit him conjugal visit. So when they
do these conjugal visits that get like thirty to forty
hours in these like apartment style things. Hours, Yeah, they
can stay there for like a whole day, you know,
if you're married. So she, I mean, this is her husband.
She went to visit that man. He's like, hey, my
wife passed out. You know, something's going on. So they're like,

(40:44):
oh my gosh, you know they and she passed away.
They don't know. They did the autopsy. That man strangled her. Why,
I don't because he's a murderer and that's what they do.
Points was made. It's not funny, it's not. But this

(41:05):
is the thing, and I'm not blaming her, but this
is the thing. I was talking to my homegirl this morning.
I feel like right now and I'm bringing this back
to relationships. I know y'all gonna be like, lex please
be for real, But this is why I just feel
for my Black women so bad. Like we are the
highest demographic who are unmarried, right, and I feel like
sometimes we just get so desperate for companionship because why

(41:29):
are you, as a free woman, as a free woman
dedicating and not just her, not just Stephanie, just any woman.
Why you are free? Why are you dedicating something? And
he wasn't getting out, He would send it to life.
He can't even go to trial for her murder because
he's already serving life.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
But how do y'all feel about Okay, so murderer is
offling me, But how do you feel about somebody you
know that's in the face, like byby.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
A little wire fraud, little for the car fraud?

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Not when you come out like there's a okay if
there's nothing on your resume, but why fraud when you
come out? How are you gonna pay for my lifestyle?

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (42:21):
In trouble for telling this story, I hope not. But
I had a guy used today a long time ago,
and he was skimming the pieces, was hitting life of friends. Okay,
I've had me a skimmer or two. Yeah, but it
was like he had gotten some trouble and they froze
all his accounts. They took everything from him, and it
was like right before he went in, he was like,
you know, I really wanted to make this work with us,

(42:43):
and I was like, you you ain't got they took
all yours. I'm not holding it down. Yeah, I'm just
not a holding down type of woman. Like I said,
I'm freezing. I don't commit crime. So I just feel like,
and let me say this, it's not only black women

(43:03):
who do this. I know we're just talking about black
women because we are black women. But I do think
that a lot of that comes with the fear of loneliness.
I think the fear of loneliness gets us into a
lot of bullshity, Like you would be so happier, so
much more happier if you just learned to find peace
and being alone.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
That pressure is that community pressure is still on specifically
black women. Yeah, for sure that Even I know women
that haven't been a church in years that still are
under church pressure. And I think it almost makes you
feel like if I'm not doing this, then I'm dishonoring
my family. I'm not married before I get pregnant, if

(43:45):
I'm not financially stable, if I'm not cooking every night,
if I'm not providing or not having a man that provides,
then I'm doing a disservice to my entire family, my
entire community. And I feel like that pressure is so antiquated,
but it's still so so so real, especially in the South.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Oh for sure. For sure. I mean you have to realize,
like every time we post a clip and we speak
our minds, oh I want and you see why they're single. Yeah, listen,
let me tell everybody out there, being single is not
a dis It is not a this especially when you
know who you are and you know what you want
out of life. I know exactly what I want to partner.

(44:23):
If I don't get that, I'm okay with being alone.
It's not the end of the world. And I'm not
finna go talk today they in jail, just so I
can say I have a husband, for sure.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
And I think it gets worse to its obviously as
you get older, because I do feel like a lot
of the time when you watch these shows like Love
After lock Up and Stuff, a lot of the people
on the show be like older women a lot of
the time, because we talked about these on an episode
of Poor Minds. But the desperation of getting in your thirties,
the being in your thirties, I think it's something about
when you hit thirty mid thirties, you just like, oh,

(44:55):
I don't have the baby yet, I don't have the
husband yet, I don't have the ring yet. What am
I gonna do?

Speaker 1 (45:00):
And then you just end up settling for boushie. I'll
be four, I'll be forty in four years. I don't care.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
You were saying that, like it's gonna be four months, right, But.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
I'm saying, but if you put that in perspective four years,
we'd be like, oh it's so long. Yeah time, I'm
gonna be forty before I know it. But when I
tell you I don't care, I do not care about like, Okay,
if it's supposed to happen for me, my faith is
stronger than my doubts. So whatever is for me, it's
always going to be in my lap. So I know

(45:30):
we getting a little off top of it like we
do per usual, But I just I really I think
it's a little different situation, like if you're married and
your husband does something and he ends up in jail.
Maybe a little wild fraud, a little something. It's not
necessarily something that I would per se maybe deal with.
I don't know. I've never been in that situation, but

(45:53):
I can understand maybe women like, Okay, he's going to jail,
Like what's the name Yandy M? And d what him
in DC go to jail?

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Was it?

Speaker 1 (45:59):
I think I was? It was?

Speaker 4 (46:01):
I think it was.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Was it fraud or wasn't like a gun because you
know they in New York? Why it was it? I
thought it was a little it was a little want
to speak in d C because come over here, I
was in your d M or Yandy, whoever was in
your d M. That was me, honey, it's but anyways.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
But yeah, he wasn't in there that long. I think
he was in there for like maybe two years. That's
cocaine and we was all.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
All white bricks. Would have been a little bit.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Is he cleaning his money properly? Like is he gonna
be am? I gonna be set for two years?

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Yeah, I mean wandering in restaurants and people in their
money they do I need a go Saint Patrick?

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, so I understand Yandy.
I can understand Yandy waiting two years. That's a little different,
Like you know what I'm saying. But if you literally
you know, they have whole web sites where like you
can find men who are.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
In specifically, you can find women too.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yeah, yeah, we have.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
We just did a case and the girl is in
prison for the rest of her life and she.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
Has a man.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
They they they fell in love. They met in a
Christian group and even though she has life in prison
without the possibility.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Of she did something real bad murder.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Of course, it's the only time hoping to get out
so that she can actually get married to this man
that is a he looks like an old deacon.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
But I mean the men do it too, I mean
men get desperate, just like yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yeah, they definitely do. Because I think it's across the
board for sure. You see it on love after lock up.
There'd be them old men that be dating the young
girls that went to jail for like robbery or something,
and they be running it up. A lot of the
no shade to the city girls, but a lot of
the city girls are in jail. The city girls type
with girls you know from scamming robbin. You know, they

(48:03):
was running it up, swipe people cars when they're not
supposed to ye doing all that. But they go to
jail and they find these men who were still willing
to give them a chance.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Were y'all scared, like with a scammer, Like what if
y'all was in Louis and like he just brought you
a purse and he swipes the car and what does
this car say? Has an alert on it? And they say,
please stay here. And now you're stuck with him in
the store, with your Louis and your chanelle. But they
about to take you too. Girl, don't tell you nothing
about me. I don't care about sneeche, cause I damn

(48:33):
sure would have been like, I ain't know nothing about that.
This ain't got nothing to do with me. But something
like that never happened to me before. But I was
dating this guy back in the day when I was
probably like twenty four, and he was a scammer and
we had went to a club.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
He had got a sex. She bought like five bottles.
Oh tab was like.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Fifteen hundred dollars. That's a good time. They come out,
the waitress come out it's time for him to pay
the tab cars.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
The pieces is not hitting.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
He goes through like four or five cards, pieces is
still not hitting. And I'm like, I hope you know
not looking at me because I'm about to pay his shit.
I'm about to zip on your ass. I order the
orange juice girl. Luckily, though, he ended up finally like
he was with a few of his friends and one
of his friends had a little piece that he But yeah,
I definitely not seeing it happen.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
I had a situation happened to me. I just told
the story on scam God. It shout out to Lacy.
I was dating this guy and he's not even a scammer. Okay,
he is a very wealthy guy from his business, like
and I know exactly what he does because he actually
has helped me with my business. So, but what he

(49:43):
did was he had like a little connect, what he
thought of was a connect on flights, and that person
was the scammer. So we had went on a trip
and he was just so pressed to fly on American
I'm like, well, I like to fly Delta, but I
feel like I remember yes, but I'm like, what, like,
why are you so pressed to fly American. So we
flew American first class. Baby, went to a beautiful resort,

(50:07):
had a wonderful time, came back first class. Okay, I'm
happens my man, I'm in Hell. I'm posting in my
close friends like this is the one. You know what
I'm saying. He icy the whole trip. I'm like, oh,
it's so cold in Mexico. With all her I'm having
the time of life. Then I get on Facebook, because

(50:29):
you know, obviously my government name is not lex P.
So I get on my Facebook, my my real Facebook
that my fans, my friends and family are on. I
have this message and they're like, hey, they say my
full government name, middle name too. You took a flight
to such and such Mexico on this state with he
said his full name, and you used my miles. I

(50:49):
need to know how you got my account and how
you girl. I must have deleted him and blocked him
so quiet, because the thing is, you are literally wealthy.
Why did you do that?

Speaker 2 (51:03):
You get And that's what I don't understand. There's a
lot of people that have money that like to steal.
There's lots of people that have money that like to
rob people. Yeah, like, why not make it honest, so fun,
to make it honest.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
I was gonna say, maybe it's greed, but no, some
people just love thrilled.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Yeah, I think so it's.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Been I think he was being cheap. Really, yes, I
don't think he has a thrill of it. I just
think he was like, okay, because honestly, the resort we
say that it was like a two thousand dollars night resort.
I think he was. He had we had went shopping,
he had bought me some stuff, he had sent me
somebody to get ready. I think he was just like, man,
look this dish bitch, don't cost me fifteen bands, put

(51:43):
a corner somewhere, and crazy enough to a lot of
the time people don't think that they're gonna get caught. Yeah,
Like I think he did it. Yeah, he did it essentially.
Are you sure that shit?

Speaker 2 (51:55):
When the person messaged you, did you just like I'm
for the person?

Speaker 1 (51:58):
I locked him and I kind of like do I
debated my Facebook for a few weeks. Yeah, and at
the time when it happened, because he didn't DM me
till like months later and me and him had fell off,
so I didn't even I don't even think did I
ever tell him. I think I did tell him. I
think he just laughed it off because he's so nonchalant
about stuff like that, because he was probably like, oh yeah,
I think I did tell me. He was like, oh yeah,

(52:19):
I found out that dude was skimming, because honestly, I
don't think he knew at the time, because it was
he thought it was gonna be like a type of
like Buddy Pass type of situation. Oh, I gave him
X amount of money, I can fly free for the year,
But he didn't know this guy worked for American but
he was stealing people's miles and stuff. So I think
whenever he found out, he was like, oh yeah, he
was on some some whatever and I just got my

(52:41):
money back from him because it was like, you want
some bullshit. And he after that like we started you know,
talking again, and I had we had flew to different
locations Delta.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
But I'm bad. I'm sitting here like I need a
friend like that that can find me some miles, right.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Yeah. But I think when it comes to like crimes
and stuff, I'm snitching. I don't know nothing. But also
when a man doesn't want to tell you what he
does for a living, on the first date. Don't have
a red leg. Don't ask because what like what y'all
do for a living? If y'all go on the first
date and somebody's like, oh, what do you do?

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (53:11):
You know I do this, you're proud of it. If
you are a successful person in your field, you are
proud of what you do. Baby, I do not shut
up about poor minds, right, you know what I'm saying.
So if you're on the first day and you ask
somebody what they do, they're like, oh, you know, I
got some business. I'm a street pharmacist. Okay, I gotta
feel in this prophet, you know what I'm saying. Okay,

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love to be in.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
They love a good robbin at Lord, Oh my god. Okay,
So we.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Have y'all ever dated somebody like though behind bars, like
talk to him?

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Okay, good, I have an access in prison for life.
Oh murder murder? I was just dumb too.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Do you feel like the fines was there?

Speaker 4 (54:05):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Okay, So I did not date him while he was
on a murder spree. Well, I was gonna say he was.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Like his praying everybody.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
I dated this guy. He actually was like my summer
camp middle school summer camp boyfriend okay, And I remember
everybody was like, Mari, you're such a goody two shoes,
like that's not the person that you want to be with.
And I was like, what are you talking about? Like
I'm going into the seventh grade.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
And I'm like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Like him and are gonna be together forever? And so
obviously we broke up because the summer ended and I
had to go back to school and he ended up
going to high school with us, and we're actually going
to tell the story on our Patreon. But now he's
in prison for the rest of his life for murder.
And all my friends are like, remember when you used
to date him in middle school? And I'm like, yes, murder,

(55:00):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
I'm so far.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
For me.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
What you mean that man that your ex that passed away?

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Oh my god?

Speaker 2 (55:13):
But he passed away long after I stopped sucking him,
though that ain't have nothing to do with me.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Yes, RB, what's up y'all?

Speaker 2 (55:24):
As your girl x PE and it's your girl Drada.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Call and we have a very exciting announcement today. We
have a brand new show dropping.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Yes, we have a brand new shower dropping y'all on Patreon.
It's gonna air on September second, and it's called Poor Chronicles.
We're gonna be doing so much stuff on there. We're
gonna be doing challenges. If you can't go to Bella
dche where the hell.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Could you go? If you can't go to Bellache, what
the hell we're gonna be doing?

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Talk to me, chit chat with me.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
He's gonna be feeling at Little Tea.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
Oh my god, No you didn't.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Y'all everything y'all been wanting to see, We're gonna be
doing it right here on Patreon.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Yes, y'all ask us for so much. Well, we've been
to give it to y'all every single Monday, and it's
gonna be a time. Y'all know Poor Minds has grown
into its own little entity. Well, we're gonna have a
lot of fun still over here at Poor Chronicles. So
make sure y'all tune in September second. It's going down.
Stay tuned. Ever since I was a little girl, I've

(56:37):
loved being on camera, entertaining myself and everybody around me
by sharing my thoughts and opinions on anything pop culture.
For the past few years, i've heard your requests. But
now it's finally time to deliver. Okay, y'all, let's get

(56:58):
into the teeth with love.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Tasty that I've put on the list.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
Y'all.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Is never settled, And if you're an avid listener of
Poor Minds, then you probably have heard me say these
numerous times.

Speaker 5 (57:18):
Like I say this all the time, I've always felt
this way.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Don't ever settle for anything in life if it's not
exactly what you want. Don't let people tell you that
you cannot get what you want out of these life
because it's absolutely possible.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
I had so many people when I was in my
twenties telling me.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
That the things that I wanted was unrealistic, unreasonable, and
if I had listened to those people, I wouldn't be
where I am today.

Speaker 5 (57:44):
It's not for anybody else to understand that.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
As long as you know what it is and you
willing to put the work in to get the things
that you want, you don't have to settle.

Speaker 5 (57:53):
And don't let people convince you that you have to settle.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
It's usually people that are settling in their own life
that try to, you know, make other people feel like, oh,
you can't do this, or you can't make that happen.

Speaker 5 (58:05):
You're thinking too far outside the box? How you gonna
do that? Up?

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Now?

Speaker 5 (58:10):
Boom, you can't. I could do whatever I want to do, Okay,
and I will, so yeah, don't.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Ok So, now it's time to get into the bed
out be bow that be about bow bow bow. All right, y'all.
I'm a little tipsy now and I had a shot
in a half, so I'm feeling good. Okay, So for
the bad topic today, We're gonna talk about the connection
between crime and sex. I'm sorry, y'all, I'm having a
ball because I'm just I love to get in the

(58:38):
true crime. Oh my gosh. Okay, so y'all know, obviously
I'm gonna get into this topic. I'm gonna tellyall what
it is. I promise. So I remember this snapped episode, right, Okay.
It was this story about this lady in Atlanta and
she had met the bachelor of her dreams. He got money,
he in a high rise, he does all this stuff.
And she found out he was dating other women. I

(58:58):
mean this in Atlanta, hello, what would you think? And
she went to his house and they had dinner, she
like cooked him dinner or something, and they had sex
and she waited till he fell asleep, shot him in
the face while he was sleep, left, threw the gun
out the window, and she almost got away with it.
Do y'all know why she didn't get away with it?

(59:19):
It's because a found the gun and they connected it
back to her. She would have if she would have
like really took that gun and hid it somewhere, they
would have liked never found it. It was a random
person that like saw something glistening in the grass and
they were like, eh, it's the treasure. Pick it up.
And it was a gun, and they turned it in

(59:40):
and connected it back to her. So I want to
talk about crimes of passion with said, do y'all think
the thrill of crime and sex are connected or is
it more so like sometimes it did be too good
and you'd be losing your mind.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
I mean, crimes of passion have been going on since
biblical time. I definitely feel that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
In the Bible, who did they les flee?

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
But I feel like, seriously though, like this has been
going on for a really long time, like women are
the number one reason for wars. Do you really think
about it? So absolutely I think it's connected. I mean
not recently, but in probably the past five years. It
was an Atlanta rapper who passed away who ended up
getting killed because somebody boyfriend came home. He was at

(01:00:31):
a woman's house and her boyfriend came home and a
boyfriend shot her, I mean shot him and killed him.
Though it happens all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
So do y'all feel like most of the cases that
y'all do, it's because of a woman scorned like a
woman scorn like her man she snapped you know what?

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Yes, risingly, not a lot of our cases are like that,
but I think we also tried to separate them out.
But you would be surprised how many people killed just
because their lover is acting up or their lover decides
that they wanted to start taking the money away. We
had a case, it's very very popular case in Atlanta
called the lady's name is Dion Baugh, and she was

(01:01:15):
dating this guy Super. He was like super big businessman
in Atlanta, very well known, and he had multiple women
Like at his funeral, his secretary was getting credit cards
from all these women that will authorized users on his accounts.
The women were like, he's dead and we don't know
what to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Do with his credit cards.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Well, they didn't want to. They didn't know who the
murderer was at the time, so they want to me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Yeah, thought so.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
And he wanted to cut her off, and so she
got very upset and in the middle of the night
came to his house and bludgeoned him to death. And
what the craziest part about this story for me is
everybody talked about him being a clean man, but they
could figure out which woman did it because this was

(01:02:03):
like a while ago before people for waxing was very popular.
When they went into his bed, there was like multiple
women's pubic hair. Oh, and so they were like, we
need to we don't know which woman did. So they're
contacting all the women that he was sleeping with based
off of the pupil in his sheets. Oh and she

(01:02:24):
had a husband but was cutting her off. He was
cutting her off financially, and so she didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Know what to do with that thing. She was mishandling
that thing. She ain't know what to do with its
great and she's in jail now right, Oh my god,
she's out now. Oh she got three Because I would
have thought that would have been a life.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Yes, I you know what, I think that you know,
you can plead for a lesser sentence.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
I think, okay, so I can say this, I do
understand if self defense. If it's self defense, you don't
need to go to jail at all. Because if it's
you me like myself, every time you got to go
crimes of passion, that gets a little because it's like,
you can't control your emotions. So how do I know

(01:03:09):
you're not gonna fall in love with somebody else and
do it again because.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
You cannot get But you have to learn how to
control your emotions.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
You have to like you not being able to control
your emotions as a lack of skill that you parents
ain't teach you whatever reason. I think there's like this
point in adulthood where you've got to be responsible for,
you know, all the things.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
That the parents miss. We're not gonna get it all.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Like even as best as the next parent might try,
that's gonna fuck the kid over or that's gonna fuck
the kid. You gotta learn how to fill those spaces
without taking somebody's life.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
You can't just say I got mad and I got
your excuses. When you're young, like if you you're late teens,
early twenties, I'm like, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Still learning.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
But if those thirties mid thirties, I'm like, and you're
still that mad that you're taking.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Like I'm not taking Lie ain't worth nothing. Yeah, but
that's what I'm saying. It's so crazy to watch snaps
because you see a lot of these stories and a
lot of these women are free now. It's stories of
like stuff that happened in like the nineties, and they're free. Now.
What's her name? Selena's murderer's up for parole? She is,

(01:04:15):
but she's been up for parole a lot of times.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
I don't think you're gonna get out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
I don't think saw either. Wild. Yeah, she's getting crazy.
The streets is not gonna be friendly to her. She
won't be out there long.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
I'd be like board, yes, because she much safer and
I have a couple of years because I ain't to
do this. But it's crazy to be much because I.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Get I don't. I've never been to jail, I've never
been to prison, don't plan on going. But to me,
I feel like for her, it's like you want your freedom,
of course, but like you should stay in there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Yeah, she's safer. She I feel like she's mutely safer
because them Selena stands.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
And I'm want to she better not catch at the
local tar.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Okay, but I come off, they probably gonna have her
in some type of weakness protection program. We're not weakness protection,
but you know, some type of like protective christ. They
might as well keep her in there, that's all, because
they gotta know letting her be free and just roam
around is not gonna be safe for her. What the
cards that she deal for herself.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Yes, that's true. But I do want to get on
a point that you said, because you were saying, like,
you're an adult, you need to learn how to control
your anger. And I one hundred percent agree with that.
But you mother fucking people need to stop playing with
people too, because you won't come across the wrong motherfucker.

(01:05:37):
And now you're laying on the ground gurgling because your
throat sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
You got to understand everybody don't got something to lose,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
And everybody don't take the same And I'm not saying
that if some people will gladly go behind bet they'd
be like, yeah, we're both going to be hurting.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
And there was a time where I didn't have things
to lose, so I have before you didn't a while, y'all.
I how do I want to tell the story. Once

(01:06:14):
upon a time I was dating. When I was dating
my ex and her and I we, uh, we had
a very tumultuous relationship. And when we were together, I
mean constantly arguing. I mean, hasn't been my friend for
a long time. So I used to be like, I
fucking hate this. Yeah, like things really hit the fan

(01:06:35):
and we got into like a big, big fight, like
very physical altercation, calling the police. Uh, she got arrested,
and so I called for see, I ain't shit, And
this was my early twenties. At first I didn't think
it was call her mom and be like your daughter
in jail, go get a whole click. And then I
called her best friend and I was like, YO, friend

(01:06:56):
is in jail, fuck herd if she ever come back
to this bitch, I'm gonna kill her ass. And her
friend coming back and says, so you know, I have
a voicemail saying that you're gonna kill my friend.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
If you ever do something right and woo, period only
shouldn't have said that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
I shouldn't have said that, And I am almost sure
that she probably still if she was me, I'm sure
she still has that voicemail safe. I was like twenty three,
but I don't mean it now. I don't no more.
But like I'm sure like if lord don't know, nothing
ever happened to that girl. Ross come back.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
You don't like this press and play? I told you
I wasn't deleting these she period. But no, I do
feel like, like I said, any crime against somebody, you do,
of course need to hold yourself. But y'all have to
stop playing with people something like she said, some people
just have nothing to lose. I don't play on people top.
I don't play with your time. I hate to say this.

(01:07:53):
I hate to talk about this, but it was so crazy.
Y'all probably have never heard of this story. We're from well,
I lived in Houston. She's from Houston. There was a
story in Mercedes More. Yeah, it was a case to
where and I truly don't believe that Mercedes More new
that man, I really don't. It was a case where
a man was stalking her, showed up at her house,

(01:08:14):
strangled her to death, then ended up, you know, unliving himself.
But the narrative online was like, oh, y'all, cause she
did only fans, so you know what comes with that.
They don't look at women who do sex work as people.
So the narrative that came up, oh, y'all need to
stop getting men for they money and if you don't
like him, stop talking.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Had a choice to spend that money.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
They had a choice, right, But honestly, I don't think
she knew that man. I think he was probably like
a subscriber on her only fans and was stalking her.
I truly believe that. But on the other hand, I
will say for women who like aren't in sex work
and you're like using men who don't even live that
type of lifestyle, Like this is for the girls who
really be trying to like pray on men who don't

(01:08:56):
have much and they're literally giving their last to you,
or vice versa. Men who are praying on women who
don't have much and they're giving you your last, and
then they find out you're playing them. It's not even
worth it. It's not worth it to be like using
somebody because you're gonna catch them on a bad day.
The economy is hard, okay, right now? Eggs is sixty
three ninety nine, Okay, our highest Stop playing with people

(01:09:19):
for money, and that's not the game that you play,
you know. I always say this, leave the sex work
and stuff to the girls who know what they're doing,
and they know how to talk to these people, and
they know how to navigate that world properly.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
I feel like it ain't no proper way to navigate
their word, but it is, though.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
It's people who are put to.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Keep themselves safe.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
They know how to keep themselves safe, you know. And
I'm not talking about the pimps, because y'all ain't safe either.
I'm talking about the women who really know how to navigate,
keep themselves safe and know what they're doing. You know.
There is a way, And I think the problem is
a lot of people try to separate themselves. Oh, this
isn't sex work. I'm not. I'm not doing this. I'm
not if you are selling any kind of fantasy, you

(01:09:59):
talking to a man and he's feeling some type of
way in his loins and he's paying you, and it's
just say that sex work, you know what I'm saying.
So I do think that if you're gonna take that route,
stop making people feel like you care about them and
that you love them. And that you're gonna be with
them on both ends, like I said, men and women,

(01:10:20):
because that ship gets scary.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Yeah, for sure, some people, that's the fantasy that we're paying.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
That's the word.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
They want to be in that world. They want to
feel that somebody cares about. And a lot of people
the fact for yourself, that's what. Yeah, you're paying me
to make you feel like we're together. Right, you've never
seen me in person. You're never going to see me
in person. But I think with that it's boundaries and
I don't even know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
It's also very much I'm not gonna tell you anything
real about me, Like this is a fantasy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
We are in this fantasy. Yes, you play along, I'll
play along, But this is they draw that you may
know the LLC, but when you look it up on
social on the website, it's gonna go to the p
O box right exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
And I tell that to all women, if you a
sex worker or not. I even told I think it
was something you was doing. You was on live one time.
I said, girl, get out your fucking window, because it
just be the little shit. It'd be the smallest shit.
It's somebody gonna find where you live. I post in
front of the white wall. I got a white wall,

(01:11:22):
and that's it. That's all y'all fin to see. But
taking pictures in my house, I'm not doing it. Are
posting where you at while you're there?

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Oh yeah, everything is a delayed post everything everything. There's
this TikTok. It's this white man that used to work
for the government and what they he's his job. What
he does on TikTok is try to teach people how
easy it is to be found. So so people will
be like, hey, come find me, and they'll just do

(01:11:48):
this in their background and he'll say, Okay, I can
tell by I saw that street sign, I enhanced the image. Okay,
that street. I can look how many times that street
is in America?

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
I also saw that there was a Dollar General. So
now I need to find out how many times this
street intersected with a street where there's a Dollar General.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
I saw that there was rocks here in construction, So
now I get to look up construction zones and then
he can pinpoint exactly where you were standing on the corner.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
It's scary.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
It's scary.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
It's scary, and I think for me, it's crazy. Because
when I was in Mexico with the scamming flight, that's
when I found out that Mercedes had passed. And it
was so crazy because I remember going through her Instagram
and I'm just looking. I'm like, this is probably a
picture that he looked at because she's just innocently taking
pictures in front of her house, in her house, around

(01:12:35):
her house. Just not because we don't think about that,
you don't, you know what I'm saying, especially during this time. Well,
because what this happened in what twenty twenty, This is
probably like twenty one, because this is definitely before my
mom passed.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
How old or young was she?

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
She was like thirty Yeah, she was probably like thirty one,
Yeah she was.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
That's so interesting because like we came up with the age,
like we all know floppy disk, you know what I'm saying,
Like we all know that, And so I also remember
the scare of the internet. Like I'm almost terrified of
the Internet. We used to have assemblies in school about
your your footprint on the Internet, and I think a
lot of younger folks they don't get that anymore because

(01:13:17):
like it's so calm, so Google.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
When Google hit, they're starting the Internet at two years old,
you know, And I remember Google.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Wasn't going to take off, and now Google is this
huge entity, and so people aren't even taught that you
are vulnerable. Any us sitting here is vulnerable.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Right right, I think. And I think another good point is,
like I said, just being just being aware because you
just never know. And like I said, post delayed posting
like they can literally save your life. I tweeted that
the other I said, discernment can save your life. And
it's unfortunate that things like that have to happen for

(01:13:58):
you to like wake up and be like, oh my god,
because think about how many people listening to all podcasts.
It only takes one weird though. Think about how many
people listening to pour minds. It only takes one fucking
obsessed weirdo. And like I said, I think it's a
very fine line. Like I said, with Mercedes story, it
was so awful because I'm like, this girl lost her

(01:14:19):
life and all y'all keep talking about is, oh, well,
she was in sex work and they dehumanized people so bad.
But at the end of the day, she was the victim.
She was stalked. She was stalked. At the end of
the day. I don't care what even if she didn't
know the man and she was taking money from him,
that was her job. She was on only fans, So
they do probably sometimes have conversations with these people, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Even scamming him she was she wasn't she was following
her taxing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
And he grew an attachment. Oh my gosh, it was
so I was. I was so disgusted and frustrated at
that narrative at the time, and we didn't have the
platform that we do now, you know what I'm saying.
I just remember like wanting to say something so bad
because there's like these men on these large platforms just
victim blaming, victim blaming, and I think that's something that

(01:15:08):
we definitely need to steer away from because, like I said,
I know what I just said. So I don't y'all
finna be like, oh, she's contradicting herself because I did
say stop playing with people and stop doing that. But
also we have to stop victim blaming as well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
But would you consider a situation like that like a
crime of passion, because I think when I think about
crimes of passion, I always think about like people in relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Yes, that's not a crime of the person.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Because they felt some type of way like but then
I feel like it's no getting away from it, because
a crime of passion could be okay, this person found
out she was cheating on them. But then sometimes even
if you're honest with the person and you tell them, hey, look,
this relationship no longer serves me. I don't want to
be with you anymore. Even in situations like that, people
be snapping and wanted to kill you. So it's really
no avoiding it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
I don't think for a crime of passion, both people
have to be you, don't, you know, Like for him
it was passion for him, that was hers no, and
he's jealous of all these other people and all the things,
And so if he's doing it out of the love.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
Then he has for her. It doesn't matter if it's reciprocated. Well,
still why he did it. And crime of passions aren't
always about love. Sometimes they're about hate. So a lot
of times things are categorized crimes of passion when there's
things like overkill. It could be a mother and a daughter.
It could be a mother daughter, It could be a
mother's boyfriend. It could be the daughter's boyfriend to the mother,

(01:16:27):
and the fact that the mother was killed instead of
stabbed in the heart once she was stabbed eighty seven times,
that's that then becomes a crime of passion. And that
also lets investigators know, Okay, this is probably somebody that
this person knows. It's probably not a randomly a random
robbery gone wrong. Now, and so I think with crimes
of passion, when it comes to like couples, it usually

(01:16:51):
it usually is something that has been that hasn't been
addressed over time, like it's.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
A gradual build up.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Yeah, it's a gradual build up for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
Well, the reason I said that about the crime of passion,
I think it has to be between two people who
are familiar, because I think that's when when it's people
who aren't familiar, like with the Mercedes case, I wouldn't
count that as a crime of passion, even though in
his head he probably felt like he was in love
and this and that. I think that's when you start
getting to the territory of mental illness. Yeah, so I
think I would separate crimes of passion from people who

(01:17:24):
have a mental illness, because anybody can become victim of
a crime of passion.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
You think crimes of passion are when people hit that
mental break, Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
They do. But I think it's a it's a mental
break and it's a moment because you never know what
can make you snap. You can never say never happens
until it happens to you. You never know how somebody
will take you there. But versus somebody that man probably
been weird for his entire life. You can't sit up
here and tell me, like if we if he was alive,

(01:17:53):
he was right, if he was alive, and they were
able to deep dive into that. That's another thing her
case didn't get deep dive into, I think because she
was not only a black woman, but she was a
sex worker. Because they should have deep dived into his
history and his life to figure out to give everybody
just more answers because.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
She was victims of his stalking, even if they weren't
like any victims that he actually put his hands on,
there's probably other women. There's probably plenty of restraining orders exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
So I think it's a it's a it's a it's
a difference because if they would have really looked into
his history of who he was, it was it was
a lot more victims. It was the red flags were there.
So people like that, I'm like, those are the people
that need to get you know, locked up for life
and throw away the key, you know what I'm saying,
because if you leave them out, if it wasn't her,

(01:18:41):
it was gonna be somebody else. If he would have
not unlived himself, he would have kept going and did
it to other people, you know what I'm saying. Sometimes
I do feel like crimes of passion. It's kind of
like a this they snapped, you know, truly snapped. And
like I said, I'm not making excuses because there's still
victims in all these situations, but I do like to

(01:19:02):
feel that it's a little just different.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
And you see that snap sometimes because like mothers when
it comes to their children, or if somebody's startning to
take their children away, that usually is like people don't
know how they're going to react behind their child until
they're in that situation, like, oh, you're about to take
my child away from me, No, I'm about to take
you out of this world. It's like I said, it's
always something and it's usually a gradual build up because

(01:19:27):
it's probably something that like you're not a good mother.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
A good mother.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
You need to take care of your children more. Okay,
I'm going to make sure that your children get taken
away from you. Oh, I'm calling defects on you. Okay,
now I gotta kill you. You know what I'm saying.
It's that instant snap where you probably could have thought logically,
got a lawyer, petitioned the court, but in your mind,
it's like it's me and these children against you in

(01:19:55):
any type of relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
It was like that case in Florida. Y'all remember when
that lady found found out like her husband was like
assaulting the kids at her daycare. She owned a daycare.
And she didn't even shoot him. She shot in the
air like warning shots like I will kill you if
you continue to do this. They were getting into it,
and he didn't go to jail.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
She didos are illegal, Yeah, especially if you are a
license carrier those are that is illegal.

Speaker 4 (01:20:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
So it's just like in that moment, she snapped because
she's in her mind trying to protect these kids. You're
a monster. But the way the legal system is, I mean,
it's I need to see what happened to her because
they were trying to put her away for a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
And the internet was like, no, butt him.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
Away, yes, and they would not They would not lock
him up. They would not lock him up.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
Okay, y'all, I'm trying to think, what's the time and
that I thought I was getting set up? Maybe when
that girl was trying to figure out if I was dating.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
I swear to god, I was speaking.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
Down. Yeah, like the fuck you thought?

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
I don't know? She would never do that to you?
Did you think that?

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
But my big is does she really think you was
gonna tell her that? I was talking to him like, bitch,
Lex is my friend. She I don't care how long, y'all,
because I mean, y'all was kind of cool, I guess
a little bit. But you had just met her.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
So it's like, why would you think.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Lex is gonna tell you anything that I don't want
you to know. Lex knows I don't want you to
know that. She's not gonna tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
I said, girl, she would never do that to you.
Look at me in my eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
I definitely felt like she was trying to set me
up for sure, because yes, because at the time, you know,
I was single, so I was talking to like two
different She went and asked the other dudes that I
was talking to if I was talking to the other
dudes like she was really trying to get to the
bottom of it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
She was very pratty. That was so strange looking back.
What's up, y'all at your girl? And it's Sugarl Dre
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(01:22:37):
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Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
We love to moret a small business man and a
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Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Mean scrimmaade any businesses.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Welcome. Okay, y'all, let's get into the bop of the week,
the bop U, the bop A, the bob bow bow bow. Okay.
So okay, So what's y'all been listening to?

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Yeah, what's y'all's bop of the week. It could be
something new, Oh, it don't matter. Is definitely the music girly, Adam.

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
You're the music girler, Okay, listening to.

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
I feel like Honestly, when when I do turn on music,
I like to go back, like I like to listen
to like nineties hip hop, like Atlanta rap. Okay, welcome
to Atlanta. Or you know what I've really been on.
I've been on slow jams.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
I'm army girl.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
I love R and B.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
I'm an R and B girly, like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
The old slow gems like people.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
I don't know. I've seen a debate the other day
and somebody was talking about who's the queen of R
and B? And people were naming it like her and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
And I was like, the Queen, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
Like, not to take nothing away from her, but the
queen is a heavy title for a new age girl,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
You know what I'm saying, us R and B. That's like,
that's like a carry you have a Kelly Price, you
have a these married j B. Like yeah, those are queens,
the Queens.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
New Aidskay okay, okay, So you know, Drake and Party
just had that album that just came out. But I
really like Peemy that's on the album. I've been listening
to her new EP. Well it's not newest from last year,
but it's called Bittersweet, but I really like her boys. Okay,
that's what I've been listening. So what you've been listening to? So, uh,

(01:24:39):
I'm a Broadway girlye and so I'm usually listening to
like what's nominated for the Tony's this year, but I
just announced everybody that I'm pregnant.

Speaker 4 (01:24:51):
You thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
So I'm having a little boy. So I have been
putting together like my Sweet Lullaby playlist and so like
it's most Flee songs that I'm just super into. So
my the song right now is That'll Be Enough from
Hamilton because it talks about like her telling him that
he's having a son and being right yeah okay, yeah,

(01:25:15):
and so that's what it's that's the song and Wills
of a Dream from Ragtime. These are all like Ragtime
is a very old musical, but it's very popular. So
I'm I'm always a Broadway girlly. Oh about say you're
a musical girl, I'm a musical girlie. And so now
that I'm putting together like all these like sweet baby
songs for me and the baby, I'm like'.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
So you're gonna be the mama singing. You're gonna be
singing singing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Now somebody's gonna love you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Okay, so my bop of the week, sticking true to
the theme. I took it too far with the theme
this week, y'all. Okay, okay, So this is a throwback.
So I'm glad that you said throwback today. I never
do throwbacks. Okay, are y'all Michael Jackson fan? Yes, yes,
Now I'm about to get deep in my Mindchael Jackson back, like,
this is a pocket that a lot of people don't know.
This is a true crime song. Did y'all know that

(01:26:05):
Michael Jackson sang about true crime? No, he has a song.
Do y'all remember that song Little Susie?

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Exactly. Now I'm not even gonna get into the song
of Little Susie. But it is a song about a little.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Girl who was murder, murder at her own home.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
I just want to read to y'all the first lines
of the lyrics. I'm gonna read the first two lines,
and I'm gonna let y'all go listen to it. Somebody
kill Little Susie, the girl with the tune who sings
in the daytime. At noon, she was there screaming, beating
her voice in the dune. Nobody came to her sole.

(01:26:44):
God damn it. It was a song. I'm telling y'all,
this song used to scare me because he's singing about
how she somebody pushed her down the stairs. She had
blood in her hair. I used to listen to this
song when I was like six, y'all and needs to
horrify me. What album was this song? This was on
the moment when he was in the staff. You with
the lights, you know what I'm talking about, the statue
like people staying like ya. No, I can't remember the

(01:27:05):
album it's called, y'all. It is a horrifying song. It's
horrifying and.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
It will be on the official Sisters Who Kill playlist.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
Serious and it is a.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
True crime because he's talking about how everybody showed up
at the funeral. It's t y'all. Okay, I said Michael Jackson.
I knew I was getting too deep in mind. I
knew I was too deep in that bad buy something
on Brien, Past, Present and Future album. Yes, y'all have
to go listen to Little Suitsane. Y'all could be like,
oh my boy, oh my boy, Michael. Michael was quirzy.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
All right, now it stops to get into our favorite
stigment of the show, which is pour your heart out.
Y'all know, if y'all have any questions or testimony, you
will send them in to ask poor minds at gmail
dot com. Ask kp O you r in my n
d s at gmail dot com. Okay, you don't say
the number real good, thanks for girl. I feel like

(01:27:58):
I got a spelling because people as long as we've
had this show, people still be like poor minds p
oo rs. I'll be like, let me say that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Okay, that's probably watching line down. We was given a
little poor back then. Yeah, I'll go first.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Okay, Hey, lex Andrea, keep me anonymous. I'm a pathological liar.
See you should read I got I lie about anything.
You could text me what you're doing while I'm watching
Netflix in bed, and I'll say I'm making a steak
dinner and stay in saving my home.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
Okay, too far. I feel like it just adds a
little mystery to my life.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
I recently sent you, guys two emails lying my ass off,
So hopefully y'all get to this one first and we
meet off the bunch. The thing is, I'll lie at
first then immediately have to come back and tell the truth,
because girl, why did I even lie like that?

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Lex? Do you still be lying? How do you fight
the urge? Do I need to put a rubber band
on my wrist or something? So already was long. I
love you guys, it's so you know what's crazy. The
joke about me lying joke. I'll say this. I always
take lying as a joke because it started from me

(01:29:13):
talking about lying to my niggas and guys that I'm dating,
because I'll be like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
Like those are cool live yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
So obviously it got taken out of context because of
the show, and it's funny. I'm gonna go along with
it cause I'm like, oh, I love a good life
because you know you a lot of these niggas. But
if you are lying, if you are lying about you
just laying in the bed and you talking about you
cooking a whole steak dinner, literally, you're taking it a
little You're taking it a little too far. Like I said,

(01:29:42):
lies are supposed to be fun. They're supposed to be you.
If a man calls you and you at home in
bed crying, you're supposed to be like, oh, I'm outside
with my girls. Those are the lies that we talk
about when you say I love to lie, Oh what
you gotta do this weekend? Oh I'm booked up and busy.
I'm like, I gotta go to Greece this weekend. I
think those are the kind of lies we like to tell.
But you're just lying stage in your home.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Because only time that I could see lying through text
message is if you know that person is a facetimer
and you don't want if I'm at home watching TV
and I don't want you to text me, or I
don't want you to FaceTime me. I have some people
that will call text me and say what are you doing?
And I'm like, I was just saying I'm busy.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
Yeah, I don't want I really.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
Don't want to turn off ninety day say.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
Like it's it's never given. I have to wear a
rubber band and snacks stop. You might need to go
to that lady.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
Yeah, yeah, a little even to say. I wrote in
I see y'all to lyon ass emails. The next email,
y'all should go copy and paste the email and find
all her lies we are because.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
Honestly, we gotta look up. We got to look up
her email address and see what's the other two that
are lies? Because baby, I'm a liar, but you too.
I'm not on your list, she said, We'll not be
out of the bunch. I'm not even trying to waste
your time. I am a week Good luck girl. Okay, hey, ladies,
I know this might sound crazy, but I've been out
of a DV relationship for about two years now and

(01:31:13):
I haven't been sexually active since. Do you think it's
crazy for that ex to pay me for sexual relations
because I don't want to deal with anyone new yet?
Or should I stay on my heel and keep my distance?

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
Keep your distance, keep your distance.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
That's what I'm saying. dB.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
That's a little like is your life it?

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
We just talked about your crime.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
Now he gonna be like that person that with the
conjugal visit.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
Now, because what that's a little much?

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
I know, Rent do I know it's him paying just
so she can so she don't have to go sleep
with somebody else.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
But he was, but I also.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
With somebody else. Yeah, don't nobody care.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
And I also think a lot of times nobody can.
If nobody could put you on it, you don't matter.
It didn't happen, right. And I think also when women,
well I'm assuming it's a woman. She didn't say it's
a woman or man, but either way, women are men.
I think a lot of times when people are in
DV relationships, you feel some kind of hole to like
fix this person. And I don't think this has anything

(01:32:15):
to do with you not wanting to have sex with somebody.
I think this has to do with you having you
feel like you have a soul tide of this person
and you still want to reach out to them and
be around them. So for your safety and your health
and everything, your mental health, stay on your hill and
keep your distance. Nothing is worse that you move on.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
Get a rose, get a roll, I just go find
you and new Man yeah, there's.

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
A billion people in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Okay, find you somebody to have a conjugal visit with.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
Okay, well, there's plenty of them waiting. Okay, Well, let
them know where they can find y'all's podcast where they
can follow y'all at when the episodes drop all that
good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
Okay, y'all. You can find us Sisters who Kill s
I S t A s Who Kill anywhere Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, Instagram,
TikTok all the places we drop every single Friday. Every
single Friday, you will get a new case from us,
and you can find us Patreon dot com slash Sisters

(01:33:21):
who Kill Yeah all day so period.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
Thank y'all so much. This was so much fun, y'all, great,
this was This is really fun, all right, and we'll
see y'all next week, are y'all? Y'all make sure y'all
share the content like subscribe, follow all that good stuff.
And let me say this before we close out, y'all,
there is one Twitter account that is connected to poor Minds.

(01:33:45):
It's p O. You are underscore in my nds. Y'all
are tagging the wrong poor Minds page. If you see
at poor Minds with no underscore that is at fake page.
Do not follow that page. Okay, they block me Andrea
and the poor Mines page on both. So we only
have one Instagram, one Twitter, one TikTok it is p o.

(01:34:08):
You are underscore in my nds, all right, and we
gotta hell a fake Facebook page. The Facebook pages it's
our face.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
The crazy thing is our Facebook page actually have the
least amount of file.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
So if you're on Facebook, one that's ours got the
least amount of file, but.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
One that's not us got like two hundred and fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
Make if you actually look at the content because the
caption is like whoever it is, don't speak English, because
their captures are like bumba claude? Should men? Should men
pay bill? Should men pay bill?

Speaker 4 (01:34:39):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
Check answer below block block, Like that's literally what the captions?

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
I'm like, what that DG's bumba claude?

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Bumba claude.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
We got sisters who's singing in the building?

Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
Ooh hit it Drayah you finished saying it?

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Yeah, you gotta say hart Bray Hope.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
So this is the all hated together? How y'all feeling?
You say you be here by nine?

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
Said you took your time. You didn't think to call me.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
Boy.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
Here I say, trying not to cry, asking myself why
you do this? Do me?

Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
Sis?

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
You're not aroun for me to tell your baby face
to face. I'm writing you this letter and this is
what I have to say. All I really wanted was
somehow your time, he said.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
You told me that what someone else was on your mom.

Speaker 4 (01:36:04):
What you do to me?

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
What you do? Say what you did to me?

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
Baby?

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
Un lest you alone do and right and tell you
play with my emotions and you made me cry?

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
What you do to me?

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
And tell what you did to me? Hit is now
I see on her shoe being doing wrong that you
played me all along.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
And made a fool of me. Baby.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
Uh huh, you got it wrong to think that I
would and find out come on lex that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:46):
You what you told me?

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
Bring you cut your do that's a man. Oh yeah, yeah,
you're not aroun for me to tell your baby face
to face.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
I'm writing you this letter and this is what I
have to say you, Paul, I really want it what
some of your time and said you some men live
with someone that was.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
All your mind?

Speaker 4 (01:37:15):
What you do to me?

Speaker 1 (01:37:19):
Can't say what you did to me. Yeah, I thought
that you and someone who was too and ride and
said you're playing my emotions and you made me cry.

Speaker 4 (01:37:30):
What you do to me?

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
I can tell you what you did.

Speaker 4 (01:37:35):
You cry song too.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
You can't tell you what.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
You did to Meg. We'll see y'all next week Hot Break,
Oh sir, this sister

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