July 11, 2025 • 40 mins
The holiday drama continues on Pour The Wine, It’s Rom-Com Time! Garry and Amy dive into Episode 2 of Hallmark's Holidazed: The Hill Family. When Josh Hill (Ian Harding) heads home and ends up doing community service, he crosses paths with his old lab partner Nora (Erin Cahill) and her son Theo. With Christmas crafts, sweet moments, and big decisions ahead, Josh has to decide between a future overseas or something a little closer to home.
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Amy (00:08):
Welcome to Pour the Wine.
It's rom-com time where we'llsip some wine and review all
things rom-com on the HallmarkChannel.
I'm Amy.
Garry (00:14):
And.
Amy (00:15):
I'm Gary and I'm a pourer.
You're pouring the wine.
What are you pouring tonight?
Garry (00:20):
We're pouring a Chardonnay you surprised me.
Amy (00:23):
With that we're doing a Chardonnay summertime whites.
With that we're doing achardonnay summertime whites?
Yeah, because it's been so hotlately yeah, we do like calves,
but a chardonnay will do in thesummertime?
Garry (00:33):
yes, it will.
It will, especially on theporch should we?
Amy (00:36):
yes, on the porch, we get right to it yes, let's do it
today we're reviewing episodetwo of holidays the hill family.
It originally aired on november14th 2024 on hallmark plus.
Holidays is now airing as partof christmas in july 2025 on the
hallmark channel.
Two episodes are dropping everysingle sunday in july who
(00:59):
people?
I'm assuming it's every singlesunday, haven't mapped it out
yeah, yeah, eight episodes.
Garry (01:05):
How many, uh, sundays are there in july?
I don't have that extra one inthere right, there you go, and
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Garry (02:12):
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Amy (02:14):
Let us know your thoughts, do it.
That's very.
Garry (02:19):
So are we going to talk about who is in this particular
episode?
We are.
We didn't.
Can we talk about who is inthis particular episode?
We are.
Amy (02:24):
For the review of episode number one.
We did not list all the actorsand actresses because there were
a whole ton of them.
Garry (02:33):
So we decided.
Amy (02:35):
So the first episode showed a little bit of everybody, yep.
And then for six episodes we'regoing to get each individual
family, so we're going to talkabout the actors in each
individual episodes as we goalong, correct?
And if we've already mentionedthem in a previous episode.
We won't redo everythingCorrect.
We'll just move on, and thenthe last episode will be
(02:58):
everybody, so we won't have todo anybody again.
That's right.
So all right.
In the Hill family, erin Cahillplays Nora Jacobs.
She has over 100 acting credits.
She's been in several Hallmarkproductions, including the
Recent Journey to you in Aprilof 2025 and Christmas at Sea,
which is airing right now duringChristmas in July.
It's a docuseries about theHallmark crews last November and
(03:22):
I do believe that that isairing on Monday nights in July.
She was also in five episodesof Holidays Deck the Halls on
Cherry Lane, the Christmas Questand Autumn at Apple Hill in
2024.
Awesome, she was busy.
She was Busy.
In 2023, she starred inChristmas on Cherry Lane, hearts
in the Game and A Taste of Love.
(03:43):
Some of her other work includestwo episodes of Blue Ridge the
series in 2024, it Snows All theTime in 2022.
She was on one episode of 9-1-1in 2018, and she appeared in
one episode each of House Castleand the Ghost Whisperer in 2010
.
Garry (04:01):
Wow, yeah, she's got some credits.
Amy (04:04):
Ian Harding plays Josh Hill , and don't we love Ian Harding.
Yes, Well, I do anyway, sorry,what a cutie patootie that one
is.
Garry (04:13):
Okay.
Amy (04:15):
Along with the three holidays episodes, he was in two
Hallmark movies the Magic ofLemon Drops in 2024 and Ghosts
of Christmas Always in 2022.
And how much do we love Ghostsof Christmas Always in 2022.
Garry (04:28):
And how much do?
Amy (04:28):
we love Ghosts of Christmas Always.
A bunch, a bunch, a bunch.
Really, that's your phrase.
Garry (04:33):
I wanted to see the reaction on your face.
Amy (04:37):
Okay, a bunch.
We liked it a whole big bunch.
Garry (04:40):
Yes, we did.
Amy (04:42):
No, we really love that one .
That one is like that's liketop level for us as far as
hallmark christmas movies it wasso good, so cute.
The magic of lemon drops I'veheard really good things about.
We haven't seen that one yet,but we should watch that, but a
lot of people really loved thatone also okay so we need to
check that one out put it on thelist some of his, some of his
(05:03):
other work includes our littlesecret, which was in 2024 on
Netflix, and that was the onewith Lindsay Lohan oh yeah,
where they played, they haddated, and then they broke up
and years later they find eachother where she's like, engaged
or something Right right.
And she's at her like fiance'sor boyfriend's house and.
Kristen Chenoweth plays the momof the boyfriend.
(05:26):
Right, right, right fiance's orboyfriend's house and kristen
chenoweth plays the mom of theboyfriend right, right, and then
she runs into him to hischaracter and they have to add
and she wants him to act like hedoesn't know her right at all
because she's never talked aboutthat time in her life.
Garry (05:36):
So that was really cute that was a cute one too he was
in one episode of magnum in 2021.
The updated version of MagnumPI.
I was going to say you don'tlook that old OG Tom Selleck,
you know.
Amy (05:47):
Chicago Med.
He was in 11 episodes in 2019.
And he is mostly known forplaying Ezra in 157 episodes of
Pretty Little Liars from 2010 to2017.
Garry (05:59):
That was good.
Amy (05:59):
A very popular series.
I never watched it.
Did you watch it?
Garry (06:02):
Pretty Little Liars it popular series.
Amy (06:05):
I never watched it.
Did you watch?
Garry (06:06):
it Pretty Little Liars.
It sounds familiar.
You're thinking of Big LittleLies.
Oh okay, Nevermind.
Amy (06:09):
No, no, no, Pretty Little.
Garry (06:10):
Liars.
This is why.
I have you because I can neverremember the names.
That's right.
That's right.
Amy (06:16):
Big Little Lies with Reese Witherspoon and Nicole Kidman.
Garry (06:20):
Yeah, no, if you haven't noticed already, I am not good
with remembering episode names,or series names, or series names
.
Amy (06:29):
That was Pretty Little Liars.
Entirely different series.
Garry (06:32):
Okay, no, I did not see.
Amy (06:34):
The little was in there.
I mean, I'll give you that andlie, liars and lies.
Okay, all right.
All right, I'm trying to helpyou out.
Garry (06:41):
Thank you.
Amy (06:41):
Naomi Gonzalez plays Gabby Camarena.
Now she is in this episodebriefly, so we're going to talk
about her work when we get tothe Camarena family, which is
episode number six.
Garry (06:51):
Sounds good.
Amy (06:52):
Sebastian Billingsley Rodriguez.
This kid has 25 acting creditsand he is 12.
He's 12?
He's 12 years old.
Oh my gosh, isn't that crazy.
In addition to the threeepisodes of Holidays, he was in
Three Wiser Men and A Boy, youknow.
Both of these were in 2024.
Christmas on my Mind and oneepisode of when Calls the Heart
in 2019.
(07:13):
A few of his other workincludes voice work in Cocomelon
Lane, which is on Netflix.
He voiced 15 episodes between2023 and 2025.
He was in the movie the BestChristmas Pageant Ever in 2024.
He was in one episode of NancyDrew in 2021 and the updated
version of the X-Files in 2018.
(07:36):
Cool, well, not updated, Iguess revamped it was still.
Garry (07:39):
Right, right.
Yeah, I think they were justDavid Duchovny.
Amy (07:42):
Yeah, yeah, gillian Anderson.
Yep, Gwyneth Walsh playsLorraine Hill.
Her first acting credit goesall the way back to 1983.
So she has more than 100 listed.
So she's been working for aminute.
She's done several Hallmarkmovies, including the Secret
Ingredient in 2020.
And that actually also starred.
(08:04):
Erin Cahill she was in HomegrownChristmas and it's Christmas
Eve in 2018.
In 2017, she was in my favoritewedding, like cats and dogs and
a Haley Dean mystery Prettycool.
Some of her other work includesVirgin river 43 episodes from
2019 to 2024.
She was in the TV series thehundred two episodes in 2019,
(08:25):
continuum one that you reallyliked yes one episode in 2014.
52 episodes of uh da vinci'sinquest between 1998 and 2002.
Okay, and she was in oneepisode of er 2000.
Er, er, that comes, that comesaround occasionally.
Yeah, barry levy plays sam hilljosh's mom.
(08:48):
Now, uh, lorraine hill's josh'smom.
I'm sorry, sam hill's josh's dad, excuse me he's been around for
a minute also and has over 100acting credits.
He's been.
He's done a ton of homeworkproductions, along with three
episodes of holidays in in 2024,.
He was also in Leah's PerfectGift.
He played Leah's dad Okay, yeah, that's why he looks familiar
(09:12):
and the movie called Just inTime.
He was in the Wedding Contractand the Wedding Veil
Expectations in 2023, eightGifts of Hanukkah and Advice to
Love by in 2021, and Christmasat Dollywood in 2019, just to
name a few.
Garry (09:28):
Wow.
Amy (09:28):
Some of his other work includes Fire Country, one
episode in 2024.
Garry (09:34):
Okay.
Amy (09:34):
A Million Little Things.
Garry (09:36):
Oh, we really like that, we like that yeah, 2019 for one
episode.
Amy (09:40):
He was in seven episodes of Scandal Ooh Ooh Between 2012
and 2017.
One episode of Scandal Ooh OohBetween 2012 and 2017.
One episode of Mad Men oh oh.
Garry (09:48):
Another good series In 2014.
Amy (09:50):
And he was in the original X-Files for three episodes
between 1996 and 1997.
Garry (09:58):
So we have two people.
Amy (09:59):
Uh-huh Well.
Garry (10:00):
Right.
Amy (10:01):
One was more recent than the other.
Oh I know BJ Harrison plays MrsKaiser.
Now she these are three like,and they all three have huge
amounts of acting credit.
She has almost 150.
Garry (10:16):
Oh, my goodness.
Amy (10:17):
She's been in many Hallmark productions, including Sealed
with a List in 2023,.
Garry (10:22):
A.
Amy (10:22):
Royal Runaway Romance in 2022, A Second Chance at Love
also in 2022, the ChristmasHouse, Jingle Bell Bridge and A
Ruby Herring Mystery PredictionMurder in 2020.
And she was in the Signed,Sealed, Delivered Higher Ground
movie in 2017.
Garry (10:40):
Okay, Uh-huh, we're not to that one yet, but we're
getting there, yeah.
Amy (10:44):
Some of her other work includes Family Law.
She was in eight episodes ofthat between 2022 and 2024.
A Million Little Things oneepisode in 2023.
The series Made that was onNetflix, I believe, for six
episodes in 2021.
And I think the star of that isAndy McDowell's daughter, andy
McDowell from the Way Home.
Garry (11:05):
Right, right Okay.
Amy (11:07):
She was also in Chilling Adventures of Sabrina for five
episodes.
We really like that.
From 2018 to 2020.
She also was in Da Vinci'sInquest for one episode in 2002.
And she, too, was in theoriginal X-Files.
Here it comes in again.
I had to mention it for twoepisodes between 1994 and 1997.
Garry (11:30):
Wow, that's awesome, so is that it with the list?
Amy (11:34):
For now.
For now, that's it for the list.
That was a long list people.
Garry (11:39):
Well, as you probably know by now, this is the part
where we go.
Well, we're probably going togive away some spoilers.
Amy (11:47):
Probably so, if you haven't watched it yet.
Garry (11:50):
go watch it and then come back to our review.
Amy (11:53):
So yeah, you've been warned .
You have been warned so.
Garry (11:58):
Man.
So what are your thoughts?
What did you think?
Amy (12:01):
Do you want me to drop the synopsis first?
I did it again I did it again.
Garry (12:05):
We stepped to that.
I know why am I doing that andI don't want to interrupt you
because you're just doing sogood, I know I was just drinking
my wine while you were movingon.
Amy (12:13):
I'm in my own bubble.
Garry (12:14):
I'm just you know, it's all about me tonight.
Woo, let it go.
Amy (12:19):
I'm enjoying the wine.
It's fine.
Garry (12:21):
Let's drop the sun.
Amy (12:23):
Okay, here we go.
Josh is doing community service, helping with a Christmas
display.
He assists Theo, son of SheriffNora, with his ornament
competition entry.
As he works with Theo and Nora,Josh re-evaluates his work,
relationship and family dynamics.
Garry (12:41):
Wow, that's awesome.
Amy (12:42):
That was a pretty good description.
It was lengthy.
Usually they're just like asentence.
Garry (12:47):
I know.
Amy (12:47):
That's pretty good.
Garry (12:48):
I know I go to sip a wine during that section and it's
like, oh, I can't, you're done,yep, yeah, you section.
And it's like, oh, I can't.
Amy (12:52):
You're done.
Yep, yeah, you don't haveenough time for wine, with the
synopsis usually All right.
So what did you think of thisepisode of Holidays?
What's your first take?
Garry (13:03):
I loved it.
I loved the scenery, I lovedthe setup of all the places that
they shot.
Oh okay, you know the-.
Amy (13:14):
To the okay.
Garry (13:15):
No, I really liked it.
Yes, and I loved the slow paceof how the characters developed
in this one.
Okay, so, yes, I liked it, youliked it, you loved it, you
loved it.
Amy (13:31):
You're going with love not just light.
Exciting and new, oh boy Okay.
Garry (13:38):
What did you think and?
Amy (13:38):
you haven't even had any of your wine yet have you, I know,
and we're singing.
We're singing.
Okay, look at you.
Garry (13:46):
What were your thoughts?
Amy (13:46):
My thoughts were the same.
I really, really enjoyed thisepisode.
I love Ian Harding as Josh Imean.
I know I was joking earlierabout he's a cutie patootie but,
I, just love his characterbecause it's so up my alley His
sort of like witty sarcasticsense of humor.
(14:07):
I love his one-liners.
I just I really like, you said,the development.
We really do learn a lot inthis episode.
Yes, a lot About him and maybehis past and about Nora and her
past, and I mean we learned alittle bit in the first episode,
but this really expanded onthat and you really, they did
(14:34):
just such a good job in oneepisode of that particular
storyline and I'm sure the restof them are going to be the same
for each family Right, but theyreally do.
I mean, it's hard to believe weonly watched one episode.
Garry (14:41):
I know.
Amy (14:41):
And we know you know all this information.
So, like you said, I reallyenjoyed the pace the flow of it.
I enjoyed the writing of it.
You know we laughed.
We don't.
We try not to talk about thingsbefore we get on the pod
because we want to save things,but we were laughing and we're
like, oh, that was cute.
We kind of just gave littletidbits during this because we
couldn't help it, so I enjoyedit.
(15:04):
It was a great advancement ofthe storyline for that family.
Garry (15:08):
I felt like yes, I thought so too.
Yes, but, man, I'm telling you,I think we might have to watch
it in separate rooms because,the more we keep watching these,
the more I want to saysomething to you.
Amy (15:20):
I know You're so bad.
You're like I'm trying not tosay nothing.
Garry (15:25):
A couple of things we've watched.
I've been like okay, just tellme, because I know you can't
stand it, I know and it's justbeen one little thing, but it's
just been one little thing, butyeah, and I don't like to ruin
it.
Amy (15:33):
We don't talk too much, or you'll start saying something
and I'll go stop.
Yes, I don't want to hear la,la, la, la, la.
Yes, save it for the pod.
Save it for the pod.
Garry (15:42):
I know.
Amy (15:43):
But this one was really cute.
I mean we could tell each otherwe both, you know, by our
reactions throughout watching it.
So I mean it starts off withyou know, josh is talking to his
girlfriend Stacy, right, yeah,and so they're talking and he
(16:03):
kind of brings up Nora, like inconversation and she's like
who's Nora, right?
Garry (16:08):
You know like oh, who's that?
Amy (16:10):
Exactly, you know and Stacy is his girlfriend fiance, his
girlfriend slash businesspartner.
Right, right, right and he goes.
I liked the line when he said Iwas always the guy who was most
likely to well everything.
Garry (16:22):
Wasn't that funny.
Amy (16:23):
That was so funny.
And then he said, and she wasmy lab partner.
I just thought that was sofunny.
You know I cracked up becauseyou know what it reminded me of.
What's that?
I gave her my heart and shegave me a pen.
Garry (16:35):
Yes, say anything, yes.
Amy (16:37):
That's my favorite.
Say anything with John Cusack,yes.
Garry (16:41):
I gave her my heart.
She gave me a pen.
Amy (16:44):
Only it probably would have been Nora doing that with him.
But I just when he said I don'tknow it just reminded me of
that line Like even though youknow it's not the same
connotation, but it just I don'tknow that's what I thought of,
but I thought that was reallyfunny.
So, and then you find out hisparents.
So he gets off the phone withhis girlfriend, right, and he's
got to go do community services.
(17:05):
His parents won't let him drivethe car.
Garry (17:09):
They took away the keys.
Amy (17:11):
He's like a grown man.
They're like you can't driveour car, dude, like we're on
retirement income.
That's right I thought that wasreally funny too.
Garry (17:20):
That was so good.
Amy (17:21):
So this is all like the beginning of the episode.
He's like where are the keys?
Like what do you mean?
I can't drive it.
Garry (17:26):
It's like he was 18 all over again.
Amy (17:27):
He was like how do I get there?
And they're like well, you canwalk, you can, or I can take you
, or I can take you, I can dropyou off.
Garry (17:35):
And what does his dad say when he drops him off?
He says something like don'tbreak anything.
Amy (17:39):
Or something like that Does he really?
Yeah, something like that.
Oh, I think I might have missedthat.
Garry (17:43):
As he's pulling away.
Amy (17:44):
He's just.
He's so good in that role.
Garry (17:48):
Yeah.
Amy (17:49):
He is so, so good good.
Garry (17:52):
So then he goes inside the community center and the
manager of the center, who's youknow, given out the assignments
and stuff.
Amy (18:01):
Right.
Garry (18:02):
She goes, you know, she welcomes him in, and then she's
like you're tardy.
And he's like what do you mean?
I'm tardy, it's only twominutes, I'm two minutes late.
She goes, that's tardy.
Amy (18:10):
You're tardy.
Garry (18:12):
Right.
And then the one lady becauseshe said you're going to be on
the Christmas tree decorationteam and the lady that was doing
that goes oh, you're thecriminal.
Amy (18:24):
Everyone's talking about You're the felon, doesn't she
say felon?
Garry (18:28):
I thought that was so funny.
Amy (18:30):
It is really funny because it's like a small town right,
it's around fast right, so theyknow a felon or criminal is
coming to or got you knowsentenced with community service
, really.
And then he meets Theo.
Garry (18:44):
Yes, right.
Amy (18:45):
Is that his first?
Yeah, he didn't meet him in thelast one, right what?
Oh no, he did meet Theo.
Garry (18:50):
Yeah, he met Theo At the police station in the last one.
Yeah, you met Theo at thepolice station During the last
one, right During his, and theykind of bonded the first time.
Amy (18:56):
Right.
Garry (18:57):
In that episode.
Amy (18:58):
So he sees Theo again and he's like hey, buddy, and Theo's
like that's not my name andhe's like I know, but he's like
never mind I know, His, it justcracked.
Garry (19:08):
I'm telling you it's so cute, it's just thoroughly
enjoyable, enjoyable, thoroughlyenjoyable right.
Yeah, and that's when.
Amy (19:14):
Wait, I just got to say this part too.
So the tree trimming ladies are, like take him away to Theo.
They want Theo to take Joshsomewhere else because they
don't want him around.
Garry (19:25):
Yeah, because he had an opinion about the Christmas tree
with all the nutcrackers on it.
Amy (19:30):
That's right he started to.
Yeah, he was going to changethe tree.
Garry (19:34):
And Theo's like.
You can come make ornamentswith me because there's an
ornament contest, oh gosh.
So he goes with him and Ithought that was funny and just
the way, theo, I mean he's forthat age.
Amy (19:48):
Yes, he is really good.
Garry (19:51):
He is really good, really his timing, with his lines, man
.
Amy (20:05):
I mean when he was going back and forth with Josh, when
they were trying to talk aboutwhat kind of ornament he wanted,
when he was trying to explainit with Theo was trying to
explain it to Josh.
Wasn't that hilarious?
Because he was like you know,it's like when you're falling
asleep and you're too tired toget up and you get a blanket on
you, or you know, you get a warm, fuzzy blanket and then he
gives like all these examplesand he's like ugh, because
they're just not getting it.
Garry (20:22):
And you're down to the last kernel of the Cracker Jack
box.
That's what it is, and you wantto get all the caramel and
everything.
Right, you don't want thepeanut and Josh and Nora are
looking at him like huh and hejust throws his hand, that's the
feeling.
You get right that was cute.
Amy (20:40):
I understood what he was saying when he said like a warm
cozy.
I mean, I thought that was apretty good description for a
kid, you know.
Garry (20:46):
But it's hard to then transform that into an ornament
right.
Amy (20:49):
I mean the feeling.
Garry (20:51):
So I thought that was a really cool scene.
And then they needed somesupplies, right.
So Theo's like you know, mom,can you, can you take him to go
get some?
Well, they asked him to go.
And he's like well, I don'thave a car, I can't go, I don't
have a car.
And so Theo's like mom, can youtake him?
(21:12):
And so Theo's like mom, can youtake him?
And it's so funny because it'sa cop car, right, it's the
sheriff's car.
She puts him in the back of theseat like he's a criminal.
That was so hilarious.
Amy (21:22):
Oh, and you know that was a little bit of her from high
school.
Just you know, sticking it tohim.
Garry (21:30):
Because then she's like oh, we got to make a stop.
Amy (21:33):
And that's when we first see Mrsrs uh kaiser, his teacher
, and he's like what, I havebeef with her.
Yeah, I know my goodness likewhat?
Garry (21:41):
yeah, and I loved where her house was.
It was like on the water yeah,it was pretty cool that was, and
that was one of the scenes thatI really liked was that whole
area, that whole scene on thewaterfront and where they're
yeah, it was, it was pretty cool, but he's still upset about a
grade he got.
Amy (21:57):
You know, like I don't even remember the grades I got in
high school, I mean I don't care.
Yeah, now, well, I mean, ofcourse he's younger than us in
this, but and then what does hesay?
Um, he says they have beef andhe says something about how he
was class of 2010.
And I'm like class of 2010.
Garry (22:16):
Oh no, don't even go there.
Amy (22:18):
What.
Garry (22:19):
Yeah.
Amy (22:19):
Are we watching with these young folks?
I know it's like 2010.
Garry (22:24):
I remember saying that when I was that age about my mom
and it's like and now here I amRight.
I mean it was only like 20years after I graduated.
Amy (22:33):
But and now here I am right .
I mean, it was only like 20years after I graduated, but
it's fine, right?
It was like he said that I'mlike 2010.
I don't want to cry.
Garry (22:41):
But there was one scene when they were at Mrs Kaiser's
house and Mrs Kaiser just wantsNora to hang something for her
yes, and so she's doing that.
And Nora and Josh are talkingyes, and so she's doing that and
her Nora and Josh are talkingand Josh says something like I
think you've been drinking asmall town Kool-Aid, Josh.
And then she says does it makeyou feel better to knock my life
(23:03):
?
Yeah, because you know and he'slike no, no, no, that's not what
I'm saying, Because he's stillthinking about going to
Australia.
You know, they got a businessventure going on.
Amy (23:16):
Well, and you can tell.
Like you know, part of whatwe're learning is that you know
he got out of that town.
Garry (23:21):
It was probably too small of a town for him.
Amy (23:22):
He was hugely popular, obviously did whatever he wanted
and he got out and he viewspeople who stayed as like why
did you stay?
Garry (23:31):
Right.
Amy (23:36):
Not thinking that maybe that's their life and they have
a good life.
And she I think she says inthat scene I'm perfectly happy
here I love it here.
This is my life Like what areyou doing?
Garry (23:43):
You know, and people always say that, why did you
stay?
And it's, and I always want togo well, if no one stayed you
wouldn't have a town, no onewould be here, right it?
Would be run down.
I mean this is where you camefrom.
You know, always remember whereyou came from.
Amy (23:57):
Some people leave, some people stay, that's right.
I mean, and some people have adrive to go somewhere else and
that's fine, but the people whostay, some people like the small
town I mean, I didn't grow upin a small town but I can
imagine there's charm to that-Right charm to that right,
whereas the opposite then it'severybody knows you, you know,
in a smaller town, not tiny butum yeah.
(24:17):
So he kind of makes that dig andyou can kind of see and he
feels badly right away yeah, youcan tell he does, he really
does so.
So you're getting glimpses ofhim as like he's this, he's he's
, he's likable in a way, becausehe's he's making jokes, he's
trying to be funny, but he alsohas a heart and you see it kind
of shining through a little bit.
You see that he feels a littlebit badly about that now that
(24:39):
he's hurt her feelings, you knowa little bit and so yeah, so
then they.
So then we end up what back atthe community center and theo
and um theo's trying to explainwhat he wants in an ornament and
that's, I think, when they'rebick.
Garry (24:55):
I think we jumped the gun a little bit.
Yeah, we did.
Amy (24:56):
But it's so.
Garry (24:58):
They're bickering a little bit, they're going back
and forth, and Josh is giving itback to Theo, I know, and
Theo's like 10, you know in thisand then that's when Nora's
like okay, meeting with ahandshake.
Yeah, and he shakes.
Theo's hand it's kind of cute,which Nora thought was really
cool.
Yeah, because you don't want toleave being angry.
Amy (25:19):
Right, right, and then she leaves right, and then they see,
they see Josh walking down thestreet.
Josh walking home because hecan't drive.
Garry (25:30):
His parents won't let him , have their car and he didn't
call him, you know.
Amy (25:35):
I guess he just wanted to walk.
Hey, you know it's.
Hey, do you yeah?
Garry (25:38):
and so they um, theo has his mom pull over and he gets
into.
He.
He says something like becausetheo is sitting in the front
seat and she made him sit in theback seat and he was kind of
like oh, it must be nice to sitin the front seat, right yeah,
he makes a little comment, andthen, and then they both go,
siren, siren and she does, andyeah, that was pretty cool.
Amy (26:00):
So then they go to nora's house and he's kind of learning
a little bit more about her andyeah right and just they're
talking and yeah and then it'stime for theo to go to bed.
They ought to go to bed.
And then how does he lean infor like a hug?
Garry (26:16):
Yeah he, he starts to walk away and he goes.
Oh, I need to get a hug and andJosh was taken aback.
Amy (26:22):
Right, cause he's not.
That's not his, yeah.
Garry (26:25):
And then he was like who taught you how to get?
Amy (26:27):
a hug.
Garry (26:30):
And that's when.
Amy (26:30):
Theo gives him the necklace that his dad gave him.
Garry (26:33):
And he's like okay.
Amy (26:40):
That's where you can see Josh is, you know?
Garry (26:41):
he wants to break out of where he is.
You know, you can see he'sstarting to think about the.
There's that conflict betweengoing to Australia, staying home
.
Amy (26:47):
Yes.
Garry (26:47):
You know he's starting to rekindle those feelings for
Nora and all that yeah.
Amy (26:53):
Well, I don't yeah, yeah.
Garry (26:56):
I mean, they don't really say that he had feeling.
Amy (26:58):
Well, I guess he does at some point in the episode but.
But we don't know that yet.
Right, yeah, because he doesn'tsay it till later.
So then Nora shows him how tohug and they have like a nice
embrace.
That was such a sweet scenebecause she's like no, you hug
like this.
Garry (27:11):
Let me show you you know, and she's like relax a little
bit more, right, relax a littlebit more, and then they both
just lean in.
Amy (27:17):
Yeah, that was such a really cute scene, so I really
like that so then you know yougo to the next day and he's back
and I like it when he walks inand they're like seems like the
only place you're welcome isornaments, because he can't,
they won't let him in any otherstation at the community center,
which I thought was reallyfunny so then they do some
ornament making.
(27:37):
Yep right, and is that whenthey're showing the ornament?
Garry (27:42):
yes, that's when they're showing the different ornaments
and theo's like no, no no, theystill haven't come up with the
right idea.
Amy (27:48):
What did he call it?
Garry (27:49):
the um he keeps turning.
What did?
Amy (27:54):
he?
What did he call the ornamentthough the life?
Garry (27:56):
the life star, the life star.
Thank you, yeah, I was like thelife star and he kept
explaining how, what it shouldlook like.
And so they get so frustrated.
Josh is like.
You know what I do when I getfrustrated I go and I, I go for
a walk or do something and theogoes.
Amy (28:12):
I know what we can do you know, and we can go and, and
he's like what?
Garry (28:16):
And then the next thing, they're at a carnival.
Amy (28:18):
Which I thought was cool, did he has Stacy shown up yet?
Garry (28:24):
at this point.
No, she shows up at thecarnival, which is funny too.
Amy (28:29):
Yeah, so they go to the carnival and Josh and Nora are
having a good time.
Garry (28:32):
And.
Amy (28:32):
Theo's there and they're all having a great time.
Garry (28:36):
And then Stacey shows up.
Stacey shows up Using that FindMe app on their phone, which is
a little creepy, a littlecreepy.
Amy (28:42):
Theo reminds me a lot of the little boy from Jerry
Maguire.
Garry (28:46):
Yes, he does.
I can't think of the actor'sname.
Amy (28:48):
Well, he's an adult now.
Garry (28:50):
You're right, a little kid from there, that's who he
reminded me of.
Amy (28:53):
But um, but yeah, so stacy shows up and she's, you know,
she's kind of like if you're ona play date, community service
must be over, yeah, which Ithought was really rude it was a
little rude, you know, that'swhat I thought, so, and then
she's like he has reallyimportant work to do for
tomorrow like what I'd have beenlike.
Garry (29:13):
excuse you, it was so rude.
Amy (29:15):
Yeah.
Garry (29:16):
I don't know what that was all about.
Amy (29:17):
No, Well, we know what it was all about.
She's a little jelly jelly, alittle jealous.
She saw, you know she saw.
She wasn't sure why he was at acarnival with another woman,
and you know it's a fair it's afair evaluation Okay.
Garry (29:43):
Even though evaluation, okay, even though she was a
little stalkerish with her, findmy phone thing tracking him
down, but true, true, yes, so,yeah.
So then they go back to his momand dad's house and they kind
of hand out a gift to to them,and it's a gift that has a key
to, uh, like a retirement placeright and then look on his mom
and dad's face was like they'relike oh, thank you yeah, and
they thought it was a great idea.
Oh, that's a great idea to putmom and dad in a old folk home.
Well, it was like a retirementcommunity kind of place, you
(30:05):
know.
Amy (30:05):
and then they're like you know, they have nurses on staff
and I think his dad's like wedon't need a nurse right now and
she's like stacy says you willone day.
Yeah, I'm like okay.
Garry (30:16):
I know.
Amy (30:16):
That was rude again, that was rude again.
Garry (30:19):
That's two rudenesses she had in this one.
Amy (30:21):
I think Josh is, in a weird way, coming from a good place,
it seems like yes, he is hethinks he's helping them Right,
because they live in a big housestill and they're retired.
But you know, when you getolder, you know you're not
necessarily feeble.
You know, like his parents areprobably a little bit older than
us you know, so it's likethey're still capable, they're
(30:43):
still walking and you can't justtake away their independence.
You know, like they, you're theone who had two wrecks with
their car in one night.
Garry (30:50):
In one night, exactly, not not rex, but he got a ticket
and then it rolled away right.
Amy (30:56):
So, yeah, so they were kind of taken aback and they were
like we appreciate this, but no,thank you I know right.
So I mean that was so, but youkind of get again.
They're just showing you howjosh and stacy are how josh is
with his parents.
You see how nora is as a parentshe stayed in the hometown.
She's a sheriff.
You know she's really lovingher life despite her.
(31:18):
You know her husband passingaway.
Garry (31:20):
Right.
Amy (31:20):
So you just get a really good glimpse at all of them.
Garry (31:24):
Right.
Amy (31:24):
You know?
So then you know, josh leavesRight Right.
Garry (31:29):
He's like I'm going to go for a walk.
Amy (31:31):
I'm going to go for a walk and then he has to go and he has
to talk to the teacher becausehe needs to find out why she he
needs closure.
He needs to find out why shefailed him.
Garry (31:40):
Yeah, and he couldn't understand it, and it was all
about a project where she saidtake your best project or take
your best work, throw it awayand then redo it with different.
Amy (31:53):
With a different eyes, With different eyes through
different eyes.
Through different eyes and hecouldn't understand that he
couldn't do that because it waslike do a project to perfection,
like ball it up, throw it awayand then do it again, like you
said, but through a differentset of eyes, which I thought was
really good.
Garry (32:08):
He couldn't do that, though Some people it's hard.
Amy (32:11):
It's hard to get out of what you think is perfect yeah,
can't think outside that, righthe couldn't think outside that
box.
And then he's, and then all ofa sudden he gets inspiration
right he goes home and he starts.
Garry (32:22):
He's finally got the idea for the ornament yes for theo,
he finally understands right andthat's when he's talking to
stacy about that house that theywere getting ready to present
the drawing because, becausehe's an architect, yeah, in.
Australia, and she kind ofdidn't understand what he was
talking about, which reallydidn't matter, because he had
the idea for the lifestyle.
Amy (32:43):
Now, Right, it was because of his drawing of the house.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Garry (32:49):
So the next scene is him showing up at Nora's house, at
Nora's, yeah.
Amy (32:53):
And he wants to see Theo.
The next scene is him showingup at Nora's, at Nora's house.
Yeah, and he wants to see.
Garry (32:56):
Theo and she's talking.
He's talking to her and she'skind of like I don't want him to
to go through this to getconnected.
He really cares about you andyou're leaving tomorrow, and you
know.
And then Theo comes walking upand she's he's like what are you
doing here?
And then he shows him the lifestar.
Amy (33:13):
Oh my God, that thing was so cool.
It was cool, it was such a goodmoment, because Theo was like
that's the life star, it'sexactly.
I mean, you could tell it wasexactly what he wanted.
Garry (33:25):
Yes.
Amy (33:25):
You know, and then you find out why he wanted it.
Oh my God, that was a scene.
Would she?
Yeah it, oh my gosh seeing.
Oh, would she yeah so they allsit down and it's like I can't
even describe the ornament.
Garry (33:41):
You have to see it, so it's got light in the middle and
looks like little uh grass,grass in it.
Amy (33:44):
It's clear, it's clear and it looks like a I don't know
what you say, a star wars thing,I don't know how to describe
the shape like a sphere withlooks like a sphere with some
rings around it.
Garry (33:53):
Yeah, there you go, yeah.
Amy (33:56):
And there's a light in the middle.
And why did Theo say he wantedit?
Garry (33:59):
Theo was, he said, the life star.
He wanted to use it as a homefor his dad, you know, because
there's so many stars up in thesky that he just wanted that.
So he put three things in therethat his dad liked a small
little pine cone, a cracker jack.
Amy (34:17):
Oh, yeah, and a blanket.
Yeah, and that's why you saidthe cracker jack example earlier
.
That's why he used that and theblanket.
Garry (34:25):
And the blanket yes.
And then he used his necklaceas the hanging.
How to hang?
Amy (34:31):
the ornament.
Oh, how to hang the ornament,that's right, right, the
necklace that his dad had givenhim and while he was telling
that story, nora was justtearing up.
I know, and you can see, and,and, and josh kind of looks at
her and does he grab her hand,or I?
Garry (34:44):
forget what he grabs her hand like it's.
You know, your kid isawesomeness yeah, yeah, that was
a real.
Amy (34:51):
So so good, such a good scene.
Garry (34:53):
And then they're like we got out.
We got an ornament contest toget to.
Amy (34:57):
Right.
Garry (34:58):
And that's when they go back to the carnival so that he
can enter in his ornament.
Amy (35:04):
Theo can enter in his ornament, yep.
Garry (35:06):
Yeah.
So while they're doing that,guess who shows up again.
Amy (35:10):
Stacy the stalker Stacy goes back.
She's like that was a long walk.
Garry (35:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amy (35:16):
But and then um.
So then they kind of get Somegood news.
Theo shockingly wins theornament competition Spoiler
alert right.
But it shouldn't be too much ofa spoiler alert.
It is Hallmark, and then youcan see Stacy's realizing the
connection that has developed ina short period of time.
(35:38):
Very short period of time about?
Was um uh going back to uh joshand nora when he apologizes to
her?
yeah, I think that was when theywent to the carnival yeah, the
first time, and they're standingthere before stacy walked up
and he was like you know, I'mreally, I'm really sorry about
(35:59):
what happened in high schoolbecause, you know, we became
friends when you, when we labpartners.
Garry (36:04):
Doesn't he?
Amy (36:04):
say something when you were my lab partner.
I wasn't real excited orsomething.
And she says me either you know, to have him and he's taken
aback by that.
Garry (36:12):
He's like okay, I was popular, what you?
Amy (36:15):
know, and then he just apologizes to her because he
realizes you know he and youknow kids when they're young
like that.
He listened to his friends toomuch.
And she wasn't in his circle,circle, yeah Of cool friends
Well, so-called cool friends,right, but he did really like
(36:35):
her, but then he just never whattalked to her.
Garry (36:37):
Yeah, he said he was sad when the lab was over with.
Yeah, yeah.
Amy (36:46):
And that happens a lot.
You know, in high school thereare cliques and some people get
left out and you don't givepeople a chance because you
think you're a certain way andyou're really not.
And you know we all find thatout the hard way.
You know some people neverleave high school.
Garry (36:58):
No.
Amy (36:58):
They think they're the same .
Garry (36:59):
Yeah.
Amy (37:01):
And they're not.
And most other people grow upand realize that those people
are not.
I mean, I had a real.
You know, for me personally, Ihad a really positive high
school experience, but you knowit can be hard for a lot of kids
yeah, a lot, a lot of kids sobut I thought that was really
cool that he came around and heapologized.
Garry (37:20):
Yes, he did you know, so which we didn't mention, no, we
just did, he did, you know sowhich we didn't mention.
No, we just kind of overlookedthat.
Yeah, yeah yep.
Amy (37:26):
So theo wins the competition and stacy sees that
there's something more going onthan meets the eye and she
basically tells josh that she'sleaving in the morning and he
has a decision to make either beon the plane or not, or not,
right, so we kind of don't.
We don't know of don't.
Garry (37:43):
We don't know.
Amy (37:43):
We don't know, we don't know that's insane.
And we also forgot to mentionthat Gabby shows up briefly
because she shows up at Nora'shouse yes, and she's.
Is that the only time she's init?
Garry (37:53):
Yes, that's the only time she's in it.
Amy (37:54):
I think so because she's Nora's friend and Nora's saying
Gabby's coming over, over.
Garry (38:01):
And then is that when josh leaves well, that's when
she finds out that josh is thereand oh, yeah, and gabby, you
mean gabby I mean get with gabby, yeah, so that was a funny
scene too yeah, that was reallygood, so so it looks like this
is going to be a really goodseries.
Amy (38:15):
Yeah, it's it's, it's real.
Garry (38:16):
That was a really good opener, a second second really
fantastic episode.
Amy (38:22):
That was really well done, really well shot, really well
written.
Garry (38:26):
Yes.
Amy (38:26):
And I mean, I just love Erin Cahill too.
She is so fabulous.
Garry (38:30):
I like her in this role.
Amy (38:30):
She's just so sweet, yes, and so I just love her and the
way she can get emotional, youknow, and Ian Harding with him
playing Josh, is just he nailsit.
Garry (38:40):
Yes, he does.
Amy (38:41):
You know, I would be shocked if there's another
character that becomes myfavorite character in the show,
because that's right up my alley.
Garry (38:48):
Yes, it is.
Amy (38:48):
And I just love that.
So we're going to see.
Garry (38:52):
All right.
So what was your tinsel topmoment?
Amy (38:56):
My tinsel top moment would have to be the ornament when
Theo you're like tearing upright now, when Theo says he did
it for his dad and here's ablanket so he can see it right.
Garry (39:09):
So he wanted it to light up so his dad could see the
light, so he could see it.
Amy (39:12):
So he could get comfort from right that stuff.
So that was.
I thought that was real, thatwould be mine.
What about?
Garry (39:18):
you what's yours?
That was my tinsel top moment.
Amy (39:22):
Same same.
Yeah, I mean it has to be right, yeah?
Garry (39:25):
Emotional when he sees it for the first time and the
story he gives.
Amy (39:29):
Yes, Really really good.
And the look on Nora and Josh.
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
I think they have a winningseries on their hand.
Garry (39:41):
So, out of five ornaments , how many would you hang?
Amy (39:44):
Five, all day, every day.
Garry (39:45):
Yes, the tree is going to be packed, I think, by the end
of this If we keep going thisdirection, it's going to be A
tree.
Amy (39:55):
You cannot see, because it will have all ornaments.
Garry (40:00):
So is there a wrap?
That's a wrap, that's a wrap,all right.
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(00:59):
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I'm assuming it's every singlesunday, haven't mapped it out
yeah, yeah, eight episodes.
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That's very.
Garry (02:19):
So are we going to talk about who is in this particular
episode?
We are.
We didn't.
Can we talk about who is inthis particular episode?
We are.
Amy (02:24):
For the review of episode number one.
We did not list all the actorsand actresses because there were
a whole ton of them.
Garry (02:33):
So we decided.
Amy (02:35):
So the first episode showed a little bit of everybody, yep.
And then for six episodes we'regoing to get each individual
family, so we're going to talkabout the actors in each
individual episodes as we goalong, correct?
And if we've already mentionedthem in a previous episode.
We won't redo everythingCorrect.
We'll just move on, and thenthe last episode will be
(02:58):
everybody, so we won't have todo anybody again.
That's right.
So all right.
In the Hill family, erin Cahillplays Nora Jacobs.
She has over 100 acting credits.
She's been in several Hallmarkproductions, including the
Recent Journey to you in Aprilof 2025 and Christmas at Sea,
which is airing right now duringChristmas in July.
It's a docuseries about theHallmark crews last November and
(03:22):
I do believe that that isairing on Monday nights in July.
She was also in five episodesof Holidays Deck the Halls on
Cherry Lane, the Christmas Questand Autumn at Apple Hill in
2024.
Awesome, she was busy.
She was Busy.
In 2023, she starred inChristmas on Cherry Lane, hearts
in the Game and A Taste of Love.
(03:43):
Some of her other work includestwo episodes of Blue Ridge the
series in 2024, it Snows All theTime in 2022.
She was on one episode of 9-1-1in 2018, and she appeared in
one episode each of House Castleand the Ghost Whisperer in 2010
.
Garry (04:01):
Wow, yeah, she's got some credits.
Amy (04:04):
Ian Harding plays Josh Hill , and don't we love Ian Harding.
Yes, Well, I do anyway, sorry,what a cutie patootie that one
is.
Garry (04:13):
Okay.
Amy (04:15):
Along with the three holidays episodes, he was in two
Hallmark movies the Magic ofLemon Drops in 2024 and Ghosts
of Christmas Always in 2022.
And how much do we love Ghostsof Christmas Always in 2022.
Garry (04:28):
And how much do?
Amy (04:28):
we love Ghosts of Christmas Always.
A bunch, a bunch, a bunch.
Really, that's your phrase.
Garry (04:33):
I wanted to see the reaction on your face.
Amy (04:37):
Okay, a bunch.
We liked it a whole big bunch.
Garry (04:40):
Yes, we did.
Amy (04:42):
No, we really love that one .
That one is like that's liketop level for us as far as
hallmark christmas movies it wasso good, so cute.
The magic of lemon drops I'veheard really good things about.
We haven't seen that one yet,but we should watch that, but a
lot of people really loved thatone also okay so we need to
check that one out put it on thelist some of his, some of his
(05:03):
other work includes our littlesecret, which was in 2024 on
Netflix, and that was the onewith Lindsay Lohan oh yeah,
where they played, they haddated, and then they broke up
and years later they find eachother where she's like, engaged
or something Right right.
And she's at her like fiance'sor boyfriend's house and.
Kristen Chenoweth plays the momof the boyfriend.
(05:26):
Right, right, right fiance's orboyfriend's house and kristen
chenoweth plays the mom of theboyfriend right, right, and then
she runs into him to hischaracter and they have to add
and she wants him to act like hedoesn't know her right at all
because she's never talked aboutthat time in her life.
Garry (05:36):
So that was really cute that was a cute one too he was
in one episode of magnum in 2021.
The updated version of MagnumPI.
I was going to say you don'tlook that old OG Tom Selleck,
you know.
Amy (05:47):
Chicago Med.
He was in 11 episodes in 2019.
And he is mostly known forplaying Ezra in 157 episodes of
Pretty Little Liars from 2010 to2017.
Garry (05:59):
That was good.
Amy (05:59):
A very popular series.
I never watched it.
Did you watch it?
Garry (06:02):
Pretty Little Liars it popular series.
Amy (06:05):
I never watched it.
Did you watch?
Garry (06:06):
it Pretty Little Liars.
It sounds familiar.
You're thinking of Big LittleLies.
Oh okay, Nevermind.
Amy (06:09):
No, no, no, Pretty Little.
Garry (06:10):
Liars.
This is why.
I have you because I can neverremember the names.
That's right.
That's right.
Amy (06:16):
Big Little Lies with Reese Witherspoon and Nicole Kidman.
Garry (06:20):
Yeah, no, if you haven't noticed already, I am not good
with remembering episode names,or series names, or series names
.
Amy (06:29):
That was Pretty Little Liars.
Entirely different series.
Garry (06:32):
Okay, no, I did not see.
Amy (06:34):
The little was in there.
I mean, I'll give you that andlie, liars and lies.
Okay, all right.
All right, I'm trying to helpyou out.
Garry (06:41):
Thank you.
Amy (06:41):
Naomi Gonzalez plays Gabby Camarena.
Now she is in this episodebriefly, so we're going to talk
about her work when we get tothe Camarena family, which is
episode number six.
Garry (06:51):
Sounds good.
Amy (06:52):
Sebastian Billingsley Rodriguez.
This kid has 25 acting creditsand he is 12.
He's 12?
He's 12 years old.
Oh my gosh, isn't that crazy.
In addition to the threeepisodes of Holidays, he was in
Three Wiser Men and A Boy, youknow.
Both of these were in 2024.
Christmas on my Mind and oneepisode of when Calls the Heart
in 2019.
(07:13):
A few of his other workincludes voice work in Cocomelon
Lane, which is on Netflix.
He voiced 15 episodes between2023 and 2025.
He was in the movie the BestChristmas Pageant Ever in 2024.
He was in one episode of NancyDrew in 2021 and the updated
version of the X-Files in 2018.
(07:36):
Cool, well, not updated, Iguess revamped it was still.
Garry (07:39):
Right, right.
Yeah, I think they were justDavid Duchovny.
Amy (07:42):
Yeah, yeah, gillian Anderson.
Yep, Gwyneth Walsh playsLorraine Hill.
Her first acting credit goesall the way back to 1983.
So she has more than 100 listed.
So she's been working for aminute.
She's done several Hallmarkmovies, including the Secret
Ingredient in 2020.
And that actually also starred.
(08:04):
Erin Cahill she was in HomegrownChristmas and it's Christmas
Eve in 2018.
In 2017, she was in my favoritewedding, like cats and dogs and
a Haley Dean mystery Prettycool.
Some of her other work includesVirgin river 43 episodes from
2019 to 2024.
She was in the TV series thehundred two episodes in 2019,
(08:25):
continuum one that you reallyliked yes one episode in 2014.
52 episodes of uh da vinci'sinquest between 1998 and 2002.
Okay, and she was in oneepisode of er 2000.
Er, er, that comes, that comesaround occasionally.
Yeah, barry levy plays sam hilljosh's mom.
(08:48):
Now, uh, lorraine hill's josh'smom.
I'm sorry, sam hill's josh's dad, excuse me he's been around for
a minute also and has over 100acting credits.
He's been.
He's done a ton of homeworkproductions, along with three
episodes of holidays in in 2024,.
He was also in Leah's PerfectGift.
He played Leah's dad Okay, yeah, that's why he looks familiar
(09:12):
and the movie called Just inTime.
He was in the Wedding Contractand the Wedding Veil
Expectations in 2023, eightGifts of Hanukkah and Advice to
Love by in 2021, and Christmasat Dollywood in 2019, just to
name a few.
Garry (09:28):
Wow.
Amy (09:28):
Some of his other work includes Fire Country, one
episode in 2024.
Garry (09:34):
Okay.
Amy (09:34):
A Million Little Things.
Garry (09:36):
Oh, we really like that, we like that yeah, 2019 for one
episode.
Amy (09:40):
He was in seven episodes of Scandal Ooh Ooh Between 2012
and 2017.
One episode of Scandal Ooh OohBetween 2012 and 2017.
One episode of Mad Men oh oh.
Garry (09:48):
Another good series In 2014.
Amy (09:50):
And he was in the original X-Files for three episodes
between 1996 and 1997.
Garry (09:58):
So we have two people.
Amy (09:59):
Uh-huh Well.
Garry (10:00):
Right.
Amy (10:01):
One was more recent than the other.
Oh I know BJ Harrison plays MrsKaiser.
Now she these are three like,and they all three have huge
amounts of acting credit.
She has almost 150.
Garry (10:16):
Oh, my goodness.
Amy (10:17):
She's been in many Hallmark productions, including Sealed
with a List in 2023,.
Garry (10:22):
A.
Amy (10:22):
Royal Runaway Romance in 2022, A Second Chance at Love
also in 2022, the ChristmasHouse, Jingle Bell Bridge and A
Ruby Herring Mystery PredictionMurder in 2020.
And she was in the Signed,Sealed, Delivered Higher Ground
movie in 2017.
Garry (10:40):
Okay, Uh-huh, we're not to that one yet, but we're
getting there, yeah.
Amy (10:44):
Some of her other work includes Family Law.
She was in eight episodes ofthat between 2022 and 2024.
A Million Little Things oneepisode in 2023.
The series Made that was onNetflix, I believe, for six
episodes in 2021.
And I think the star of that isAndy McDowell's daughter, andy
McDowell from the Way Home.
Garry (11:05):
Right, right Okay.
Amy (11:07):
She was also in Chilling Adventures of Sabrina for five
episodes.
We really like that.
From 2018 to 2020.
She also was in Da Vinci'sInquest for one episode in 2002.
And she, too, was in theoriginal X-Files.
Here it comes in again.
I had to mention it for twoepisodes between 1994 and 1997.
Garry (11:30):
Wow, that's awesome, so is that it with the list?
Amy (11:34):
For now.
For now, that's it for the list.
That was a long list people.
Garry (11:39):
Well, as you probably know by now, this is the part
where we go.
Well, we're probably going togive away some spoilers.
Amy (11:47):
Probably so, if you haven't watched it yet.
Garry (11:50):
go watch it and then come back to our review.
Amy (11:53):
So yeah, you've been warned .
You have been warned so.
Garry (11:58):
Man.
So what are your thoughts?
What did you think?
Amy (12:01):
Do you want me to drop the synopsis first?
I did it again I did it again.
Garry (12:05):
We stepped to that.
I know why am I doing that andI don't want to interrupt you
because you're just doing sogood, I know I was just drinking
my wine while you were movingon.
Amy (12:13):
I'm in my own bubble.
Garry (12:14):
I'm just you know, it's all about me tonight.
Woo, let it go.
Amy (12:19):
I'm enjoying the wine.
It's fine.
Garry (12:21):
Let's drop the sun.
Amy (12:23):
Okay, here we go.
Josh is doing community service, helping with a Christmas
display.
He assists Theo, son of SheriffNora, with his ornament
competition entry.
As he works with Theo and Nora,Josh re-evaluates his work,
relationship and family dynamics.
Garry (12:41):
Wow, that's awesome.
Amy (12:42):
That was a pretty good description.
It was lengthy.
Usually they're just like asentence.
Garry (12:47):
I know.
Amy (12:47):
That's pretty good.
Garry (12:48):
I know I go to sip a wine during that section and it's
like, oh, I can't, you're done,yep, yeah, you section.
And it's like, oh, I can't.
Amy (12:52):
You're done.
Yep, yeah, you don't haveenough time for wine, with the
synopsis usually All right.
So what did you think of thisepisode of Holidays?
What's your first take?
Garry (13:03):
I loved it.
I loved the scenery, I lovedthe setup of all the places that
they shot.
Oh okay, you know the-.
Amy (13:14):
To the okay.
Garry (13:15):
No, I really liked it.
Yes, and I loved the slow paceof how the characters developed
in this one.
Okay, so, yes, I liked it, youliked it, you loved it, you
loved it.
Amy (13:31):
You're going with love not just light.
Exciting and new, oh boy Okay.
Garry (13:38):
What did you think and?
Amy (13:38):
you haven't even had any of your wine yet have you, I know,
and we're singing.
We're singing.
Okay, look at you.
Garry (13:46):
What were your thoughts?
Amy (13:46):
My thoughts were the same.
I really, really enjoyed thisepisode.
I love Ian Harding as Josh Imean.
I know I was joking earlierabout he's a cutie patootie but,
I, just love his characterbecause it's so up my alley His
sort of like witty sarcasticsense of humor.
(14:07):
I love his one-liners.
I just I really like, you said,the development.
We really do learn a lot inthis episode.
Yes, a lot About him and maybehis past and about Nora and her
past, and I mean we learned alittle bit in the first episode,
but this really expanded onthat and you really, they did
(14:34):
just such a good job in oneepisode of that particular
storyline and I'm sure the restof them are going to be the same
for each family Right, but theyreally do.
I mean, it's hard to believe weonly watched one episode.
Garry (14:41):
I know.
Amy (14:41):
And we know you know all this information.
So, like you said, I reallyenjoyed the pace the flow of it.
I enjoyed the writing of it.
You know we laughed.
We don't.
We try not to talk about thingsbefore we get on the pod
because we want to save things,but we were laughing and we're
like, oh, that was cute.
We kind of just gave littletidbits during this because we
couldn't help it, so I enjoyedit.
(15:04):
It was a great advancement ofthe storyline for that family.
Garry (15:08):
I felt like yes, I thought so too.
Yes, but, man, I'm telling you,I think we might have to watch
it in separate rooms because,the more we keep watching these,
the more I want to saysomething to you.
Amy (15:20):
I know You're so bad.
You're like I'm trying not tosay nothing.
Garry (15:25):
A couple of things we've watched.
I've been like okay, just tellme, because I know you can't
stand it, I know and it's justbeen one little thing, but it's
just been one little thing, butyeah, and I don't like to ruin
it.
Amy (15:33):
We don't talk too much, or you'll start saying something
and I'll go stop.
Yes, I don't want to hear la,la, la, la, la.
Yes, save it for the pod.
Save it for the pod.
Garry (15:42):
I know.
Amy (15:43):
But this one was really cute.
I mean we could tell each otherwe both, you know, by our
reactions throughout watching it.
So I mean it starts off withyou know, josh is talking to his
girlfriend Stacy, right, yeah,and so they're talking and he
(16:03):
kind of brings up Nora, like inconversation and she's like
who's Nora, right?
Garry (16:08):
You know like oh, who's that?
Amy (16:10):
Exactly, you know and Stacy is his girlfriend fiance, his
girlfriend slash businesspartner.
Right, right, right and he goes.
I liked the line when he said Iwas always the guy who was most
likely to well everything.
Garry (16:22):
Wasn't that funny.
Amy (16:23):
That was so funny.
And then he said, and she wasmy lab partner.
I just thought that was sofunny.
You know I cracked up becauseyou know what it reminded me of.
What's that?
I gave her my heart and shegave me a pen.
Garry (16:35):
Yes, say anything, yes.
Amy (16:37):
That's my favorite.
Say anything with John Cusack,yes.
Garry (16:41):
I gave her my heart.
She gave me a pen.
Amy (16:44):
Only it probably would have been Nora doing that with him.
But I just when he said I don'tknow it just reminded me of
that line Like even though youknow it's not the same
connotation, but it just I don'tknow that's what I thought of,
but I thought that was reallyfunny.
So, and then you find out hisparents.
So he gets off the phone withhis girlfriend, right, and he's
got to go do community services.
(17:05):
His parents won't let him drivethe car.
Garry (17:09):
They took away the keys.
Amy (17:11):
He's like a grown man.
They're like you can't driveour car, dude, like we're on
retirement income.
That's right I thought that wasreally funny too.
Garry (17:20):
That was so good.
Amy (17:21):
So this is all like the beginning of the episode.
He's like where are the keys?
Like what do you mean?
I can't drive it.
Garry (17:26):
It's like he was 18 all over again.
Amy (17:27):
He was like how do I get there?
And they're like well, you canwalk, you can, or I can take you
, or I can take you, I can dropyou off.
Garry (17:35):
And what does his dad say when he drops him off?
He says something like don'tbreak anything.
Amy (17:39):
Or something like that Does he really?
Yeah, something like that.
Oh, I think I might have missedthat.
Garry (17:43):
As he's pulling away.
Amy (17:44):
He's just.
He's so good in that role.
Garry (17:48):
Yeah.
Amy (17:49):
He is so, so good good.
Garry (17:52):
So then he goes inside the community center and the
manager of the center, who's youknow, given out the assignments
and stuff.
Amy (18:01):
Right.
Garry (18:02):
She goes, you know, she welcomes him in, and then she's
like you're tardy.
And he's like what do you mean?
I'm tardy, it's only twominutes, I'm two minutes late.
She goes, that's tardy.
Amy (18:10):
You're tardy.
Garry (18:12):
Right.
And then the one lady becauseshe said you're going to be on
the Christmas tree decorationteam and the lady that was doing
that goes oh, you're thecriminal.
Amy (18:24):
Everyone's talking about You're the felon, doesn't she
say felon?
Garry (18:28):
I thought that was so funny.
Amy (18:30):
It is really funny because it's like a small town right,
it's around fast right, so theyknow a felon or criminal is
coming to or got you knowsentenced with community service
, really.
And then he meets Theo.
Garry (18:44):
Yes, right.
Amy (18:45):
Is that his first?
Yeah, he didn't meet him in thelast one, right what?
Oh no, he did meet Theo.
Garry (18:50):
Yeah, he met Theo At the police station in the last one.
Yeah, you met Theo at thepolice station During the last
one, right During his, and theykind of bonded the first time.
Amy (18:56):
Right.
Garry (18:57):
In that episode.
Amy (18:58):
So he sees Theo again and he's like hey, buddy, and Theo's
like that's not my name andhe's like I know, but he's like
never mind I know, His, it justcracked.
Garry (19:08):
I'm telling you it's so cute, it's just thoroughly
enjoyable, enjoyable, thoroughlyenjoyable right.
Yeah, and that's when.
Amy (19:14):
Wait, I just got to say this part too.
So the tree trimming ladies are, like take him away to Theo.
They want Theo to take Joshsomewhere else because they
don't want him around.
Garry (19:25):
Yeah, because he had an opinion about the Christmas tree
with all the nutcrackers on it.
Amy (19:30):
That's right he started to.
Yeah, he was going to changethe tree.
Garry (19:34):
And Theo's like.
You can come make ornamentswith me because there's an
ornament contest, oh gosh.
So he goes with him and Ithought that was funny and just
the way, theo, I mean he's forthat age.
Amy (19:48):
Yes, he is really good.
Garry (19:51):
He is really good, really his timing, with his lines, man
.
Amy (20:05):
I mean when he was going back and forth with Josh, when
they were trying to talk aboutwhat kind of ornament he wanted,
when he was trying to explainit with Theo was trying to
explain it to Josh.
Wasn't that hilarious?
Because he was like you know,it's like when you're falling
asleep and you're too tired toget up and you get a blanket on
you, or you know, you get a warm, fuzzy blanket and then he
gives like all these examplesand he's like ugh, because
they're just not getting it.
Garry (20:22):
And you're down to the last kernel of the Cracker Jack
box.
That's what it is, and you wantto get all the caramel and
everything.
Right, you don't want thepeanut and Josh and Nora are
looking at him like huh and hejust throws his hand, that's the
feeling.
You get right that was cute.
Amy (20:40):
I understood what he was saying when he said like a warm
cozy.
I mean, I thought that was apretty good description for a
kid, you know.
Garry (20:46):
But it's hard to then transform that into an ornament
right.
Amy (20:49):
I mean the feeling.
Garry (20:51):
So I thought that was a really cool scene.
And then they needed somesupplies, right.
So Theo's like you know, mom,can you, can you take him to go
get some?
Well, they asked him to go.
And he's like well, I don'thave a car, I can't go, I don't
have a car.
And so Theo's like mom, can youtake him?
(21:12):
And so Theo's like mom, can youtake him?
And it's so funny because it'sa cop car, right, it's the
sheriff's car.
She puts him in the back of theseat like he's a criminal.
That was so hilarious.
Amy (21:22):
Oh, and you know that was a little bit of her from high
school.
Just you know, sticking it tohim.
Garry (21:30):
Because then she's like oh, we got to make a stop.
Amy (21:33):
And that's when we first see Mrsrs uh kaiser, his teacher
, and he's like what, I havebeef with her.
Yeah, I know my goodness likewhat?
Garry (21:41):
yeah, and I loved where her house was.
It was like on the water yeah,it was pretty cool that was, and
that was one of the scenes thatI really liked was that whole
area, that whole scene on thewaterfront and where they're
yeah, it was, it was pretty cool, but he's still upset about a
grade he got.
Amy (21:57):
You know, like I don't even remember the grades I got in
high school, I mean I don't care.
Yeah, now, well, I mean, ofcourse he's younger than us in
this, but and then what does hesay?
Um, he says they have beef andhe says something about how he
was class of 2010.
And I'm like class of 2010.
Garry (22:16):
Oh no, don't even go there.
Amy (22:18):
What.
Garry (22:19):
Yeah.
Amy (22:19):
Are we watching with these young folks?
I know it's like 2010.
Garry (22:24):
I remember saying that when I was that age about my mom
and it's like and now here I amRight.
I mean it was only like 20years after I graduated.
Amy (22:33):
But and now here I am right .
I mean, it was only like 20years after I graduated, but
it's fine, right?
It was like he said that I'mlike 2010.
I don't want to cry.
Garry (22:41):
But there was one scene when they were at Mrs Kaiser's
house and Mrs Kaiser just wantsNora to hang something for her
yes, and so she's doing that.
And Nora and Josh are talkingyes, and so she's doing that and
her Nora and Josh are talkingand Josh says something like I
think you've been drinking asmall town Kool-Aid, Josh.
And then she says does it makeyou feel better to knock my life
(23:03):
?
Yeah, because you know and he'slike no, no, no, that's not what
I'm saying, Because he's stillthinking about going to
Australia.
You know, they got a businessventure going on.
Amy (23:16):
Well, and you can tell.
Like you know, part of whatwe're learning is that you know
he got out of that town.
Garry (23:21):
It was probably too small of a town for him.
Amy (23:22):
He was hugely popular, obviously did whatever he wanted
and he got out and he viewspeople who stayed as like why
did you stay?
Garry (23:31):
Right.
Amy (23:36):
Not thinking that maybe that's their life and they have
a good life.
And she I think she says inthat scene I'm perfectly happy
here I love it here.
This is my life Like what areyou doing?
Garry (23:43):
You know, and people always say that, why did you
stay?
And it's, and I always want togo well, if no one stayed you
wouldn't have a town, no onewould be here, right it?
Would be run down.
I mean this is where you camefrom.
You know, always remember whereyou came from.
Amy (23:57):
Some people leave, some people stay, that's right.
I mean, and some people have adrive to go somewhere else and
that's fine, but the people whostay, some people like the small
town I mean, I didn't grow upin a small town but I can
imagine there's charm to that-Right charm to that right,
whereas the opposite then it'severybody knows you, you know,
in a smaller town, not tiny butum yeah.
(24:17):
So he kind of makes that dig andyou can kind of see and he
feels badly right away yeah, youcan tell he does, he really
does so.
So you're getting glimpses ofhim as like he's this, he's he's
, he's likable in a way, becausehe's he's making jokes, he's
trying to be funny, but he alsohas a heart and you see it kind
of shining through a little bit.
You see that he feels a littlebit badly about that now that
(24:39):
he's hurt her feelings, you knowa little bit and so yeah, so
then they.
So then we end up what back atthe community center and theo
and um theo's trying to explainwhat he wants in an ornament and
that's, I think, when they'rebick.
Garry (24:55):
I think we jumped the gun a little bit.
Yeah, we did.
Amy (24:56):
But it's so.
Garry (24:58):
They're bickering a little bit, they're going back
and forth, and Josh is giving itback to Theo, I know, and
Theo's like 10, you know in thisand then that's when Nora's
like okay, meeting with ahandshake.
Yeah, and he shakes.
Theo's hand it's kind of cute,which Nora thought was really
cool.
Yeah, because you don't want toleave being angry.
Amy (25:19):
Right, right, and then she leaves right, and then they see,
they see Josh walking down thestreet.
Josh walking home because hecan't drive.
Garry (25:30):
His parents won't let him , have their car and he didn't
call him, you know.
Amy (25:35):
I guess he just wanted to walk.
Hey, you know it's.
Hey, do you yeah?
Garry (25:38):
and so they um, theo has his mom pull over and he gets
into.
He.
He says something like becausetheo is sitting in the front
seat and she made him sit in theback seat and he was kind of
like oh, it must be nice to sitin the front seat, right yeah,
he makes a little comment, andthen, and then they both go,
siren, siren and she does, andyeah, that was pretty cool.
Amy (26:00):
So then they go to nora's house and he's kind of learning
a little bit more about her andyeah right and just they're
talking and yeah and then it'stime for theo to go to bed.
They ought to go to bed.
And then how does he lean infor like a hug?
Garry (26:16):
Yeah he, he starts to walk away and he goes.
Oh, I need to get a hug and andJosh was taken aback.
Amy (26:22):
Right, cause he's not.
That's not his, yeah.
Garry (26:25):
And then he was like who taught you how to get?
Amy (26:27):
a hug.
Garry (26:30):
And that's when.
Amy (26:30):
Theo gives him the necklace that his dad gave him.
Garry (26:33):
And he's like okay.
Amy (26:40):
That's where you can see Josh is, you know?
Garry (26:41):
he wants to break out of where he is.
You know, you can see he'sstarting to think about the.
There's that conflict betweengoing to Australia, staying home
.
Amy (26:47):
Yes.
Garry (26:47):
You know he's starting to rekindle those feelings for
Nora and all that yeah.
Amy (26:53):
Well, I don't yeah, yeah.
Garry (26:56):
I mean, they don't really say that he had feeling.
Amy (26:58):
Well, I guess he does at some point in the episode but.
But we don't know that yet.
Right, yeah, because he doesn'tsay it till later.
So then Nora shows him how tohug and they have like a nice
embrace.
That was such a sweet scenebecause she's like no, you hug
like this.
Garry (27:11):
Let me show you you know, and she's like relax a little
bit more, right, relax a littlebit more, and then they both
just lean in.
Amy (27:17):
Yeah, that was such a really cute scene, so I really
like that so then you know yougo to the next day and he's back
and I like it when he walks inand they're like seems like the
only place you're welcome isornaments, because he can't,
they won't let him in any otherstation at the community center,
which I thought was reallyfunny so then they do some
ornament making.
(27:37):
Yep right, and is that whenthey're showing the ornament?
Garry (27:42):
yes, that's when they're showing the different ornaments
and theo's like no, no no, theystill haven't come up with the
right idea.
Amy (27:48):
What did he call it?
Garry (27:49):
the um he keeps turning.
What did?
Amy (27:54):
he?
What did he call the ornamentthough the life?
Garry (27:56):
the life star, the life star.
Thank you, yeah, I was like thelife star and he kept
explaining how, what it shouldlook like.
And so they get so frustrated.
Josh is like.
You know what I do when I getfrustrated I go and I, I go for
a walk or do something and theogoes.
Amy (28:12):
I know what we can do you know, and we can go and, and
he's like what?
Garry (28:16):
And then the next thing, they're at a carnival.
Amy (28:18):
Which I thought was cool, did he has Stacy shown up yet?
Garry (28:24):
at this point.
No, she shows up at thecarnival, which is funny too.
Amy (28:29):
Yeah, so they go to the carnival and Josh and Nora are
having a good time.
Garry (28:32):
And.
Amy (28:32):
Theo's there and they're all having a great time.
Garry (28:36):
And then Stacey shows up.
Stacey shows up Using that FindMe app on their phone, which is
a little creepy, a littlecreepy.
Amy (28:42):
Theo reminds me a lot of the little boy from Jerry
Maguire.
Garry (28:46):
Yes, he does.
I can't think of the actor'sname.
Amy (28:48):
Well, he's an adult now.
Garry (28:50):
You're right, a little kid from there, that's who he
reminded me of.
Amy (28:53):
But um, but yeah, so stacy shows up and she's, you know,
she's kind of like if you're ona play date, community service
must be over, yeah, which Ithought was really rude it was a
little rude, you know, that'swhat I thought, so, and then
she's like he has reallyimportant work to do for
tomorrow like what I'd have beenlike.
Garry (29:13):
excuse you, it was so rude.
Amy (29:15):
Yeah.
Garry (29:16):
I don't know what that was all about.
Amy (29:17):
No, Well, we know what it was all about.
She's a little jelly jelly, alittle jealous.
She saw, you know she saw.
She wasn't sure why he was at acarnival with another woman,
and you know it's a fair it's afair evaluation Okay.
Garry (29:43):
Even though evaluation, okay, even though she was a
little stalkerish with her, findmy phone thing tracking him
down, but true, true, yes, so,yeah.
So then they go back to his momand dad's house and they kind
of hand out a gift to to them,and it's a gift that has a key
to, uh, like a retirement placeright and then look on his mom
and dad's face was like they'relike oh, thank you yeah, and
they thought it was a great idea.
Oh, that's a great idea to putmom and dad in a old folk home.
Well, it was like a retirementcommunity kind of place, you
(30:05):
know.
Amy (30:05):
and then they're like you know, they have nurses on staff
and I think his dad's like wedon't need a nurse right now and
she's like stacy says you willone day.
Yeah, I'm like okay.
Garry (30:16):
I know.
Amy (30:16):
That was rude again, that was rude again.
Garry (30:19):
That's two rudenesses she had in this one.
Amy (30:21):
I think Josh is, in a weird way, coming from a good place,
it seems like yes, he is hethinks he's helping them Right,
because they live in a big housestill and they're retired.
But you know, when you getolder, you know you're not
necessarily feeble.
You know, like his parents areprobably a little bit older than
us you know, so it's likethey're still capable, they're
(30:43):
still walking and you can't justtake away their independence.
You know, like they, you're theone who had two wrecks with
their car in one night.
Garry (30:50):
In one night, exactly, not not rex, but he got a ticket
and then it rolled away right.
Amy (30:56):
So, yeah, so they were kind of taken aback and they were
like we appreciate this, but no,thank you I know right.
So I mean that was so, but youkind of get again.
They're just showing you howjosh and stacy are how josh is
with his parents.
You see how nora is as a parentshe stayed in the hometown.
She's a sheriff.
You know she's really lovingher life despite her.
(31:18):
You know her husband passingaway.
Garry (31:20):
Right.
Amy (31:20):
So you just get a really good glimpse at all of them.
Garry (31:24):
Right.
Amy (31:24):
You know?
So then you know, josh leavesRight Right.
Garry (31:29):
He's like I'm going to go for a walk.
Amy (31:31):
I'm going to go for a walk and then he has to go and he has
to talk to the teacher becausehe needs to find out why she he
needs closure.
He needs to find out why shefailed him.
Garry (31:40):
Yeah, and he couldn't understand it, and it was all
about a project where she saidtake your best project or take
your best work, throw it awayand then redo it with different.
Amy (31:53):
With a different eyes, With different eyes through
different eyes.
Through different eyes and hecouldn't understand that he
couldn't do that because it waslike do a project to perfection,
like ball it up, throw it awayand then do it again, like you
said, but through a differentset of eyes, which I thought was
really good.
Garry (32:08):
He couldn't do that, though Some people it's hard.
Amy (32:11):
It's hard to get out of what you think is perfect yeah,
can't think outside that, righthe couldn't think outside that
box.
And then he's, and then all ofa sudden he gets inspiration
right he goes home and he starts.
Garry (32:22):
He's finally got the idea for the ornament yes for theo,
he finally understands right andthat's when he's talking to
stacy about that house that theywere getting ready to present
the drawing because, becausehe's an architect, yeah, in.
Australia, and she kind ofdidn't understand what he was
talking about, which reallydidn't matter, because he had
the idea for the lifestyle.
Amy (32:43):
Now, Right, it was because of his drawing of the house.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Garry (32:49):
So the next scene is him showing up at Nora's house, at
Nora's, yeah.
Amy (32:53):
And he wants to see Theo.
The next scene is him showingup at Nora's, at Nora's house.
Yeah, and he wants to see.
Garry (32:56):
Theo and she's talking.
He's talking to her and she'skind of like I don't want him to
to go through this to getconnected.
He really cares about you andyou're leaving tomorrow, and you
know.
And then Theo comes walking upand she's he's like what are you
doing here?
And then he shows him the lifestar.
Amy (33:13):
Oh my God, that thing was so cool.
It was cool, it was such a goodmoment, because Theo was like
that's the life star, it'sexactly.
I mean, you could tell it wasexactly what he wanted.
Garry (33:25):
Yes.
Amy (33:25):
You know, and then you find out why he wanted it.
Oh my God, that was a scene.
Would she?
Yeah it, oh my gosh seeing.
Oh, would she yeah so they allsit down and it's like I can't
even describe the ornament.
Garry (33:41):
You have to see it, so it's got light in the middle and
looks like little uh grass,grass in it.
Amy (33:44):
It's clear, it's clear and it looks like a I don't know
what you say, a star wars thing,I don't know how to describe
the shape like a sphere withlooks like a sphere with some
rings around it.
Garry (33:53):
Yeah, there you go, yeah.
Amy (33:56):
And there's a light in the middle.
And why did Theo say he wantedit?
Garry (33:59):
Theo was, he said, the life star.
He wanted to use it as a homefor his dad, you know, because
there's so many stars up in thesky that he just wanted that.
So he put three things in therethat his dad liked a small
little pine cone, a cracker jack.
Amy (34:17):
Oh, yeah, and a blanket.
Yeah, and that's why you saidthe cracker jack example earlier
.
That's why he used that and theblanket.
Garry (34:25):
And the blanket yes.
And then he used his necklaceas the hanging.
How to hang?
Amy (34:31):
the ornament.
Oh, how to hang the ornament,that's right, right, the
necklace that his dad had givenhim and while he was telling
that story, nora was justtearing up.
I know, and you can see, and,and, and josh kind of looks at
her and does he grab her hand,or I?
Garry (34:44):
forget what he grabs her hand like it's.
You know, your kid isawesomeness yeah, yeah, that was
a real.
Amy (34:51):
So so good, such a good scene.
Garry (34:53):
And then they're like we got out.
We got an ornament contest toget to.
Amy (34:57):
Right.
Garry (34:58):
And that's when they go back to the carnival so that he
can enter in his ornament.
Amy (35:04):
Theo can enter in his ornament, yep.
Garry (35:06):
Yeah.
So while they're doing that,guess who shows up again.
Amy (35:10):
Stacy the stalker Stacy goes back.
She's like that was a long walk.
Garry (35:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amy (35:16):
But and then um.
So then they kind of get Somegood news.
Theo shockingly wins theornament competition Spoiler
alert right.
But it shouldn't be too much ofa spoiler alert.
It is Hallmark, and then youcan see Stacy's realizing the
connection that has developed ina short period of time.
(35:38):
Very short period of time about?
Was um uh going back to uh joshand nora when he apologizes to
her?
yeah, I think that was when theywent to the carnival yeah, the
first time, and they're standingthere before stacy walked up
and he was like you know, I'mreally, I'm really sorry about
(35:59):
what happened in high schoolbecause, you know, we became
friends when you, when we labpartners.
Garry (36:04):
Doesn't he?
Amy (36:04):
say something when you were my lab partner.
I wasn't real excited orsomething.
And she says me either you know, to have him and he's taken
aback by that.
Garry (36:12):
He's like okay, I was popular, what you?
Amy (36:15):
know, and then he just apologizes to her because he
realizes you know he and youknow kids when they're young
like that.
He listened to his friends toomuch.
And she wasn't in his circle,circle, yeah Of cool friends
Well, so-called cool friends,right, but he did really like
(36:35):
her, but then he just never whattalked to her.
Garry (36:37):
Yeah, he said he was sad when the lab was over with.
Yeah, yeah.
Amy (36:46):
And that happens a lot.
You know, in high school thereare cliques and some people get
left out and you don't givepeople a chance because you
think you're a certain way andyou're really not.
And you know we all find thatout the hard way.
You know some people neverleave high school.
Garry (36:58):
No.
Amy (36:58):
They think they're the same .
Garry (36:59):
Yeah.
Amy (37:01):
And they're not.
And most other people grow upand realize that those people
are not.
I mean, I had a real.
You know, for me personally, Ihad a really positive high
school experience, but you knowit can be hard for a lot of kids
yeah, a lot, a lot of kids sobut I thought that was really
cool that he came around and heapologized.
Garry (37:20):
Yes, he did you know, so which we didn't mention, no, we
just did, he did, you know sowhich we didn't mention.
No, we just kind of overlookedthat.
Yeah, yeah yep.
Amy (37:26):
So theo wins the competition and stacy sees that
there's something more going onthan meets the eye and she
basically tells josh that she'sleaving in the morning and he
has a decision to make either beon the plane or not, or not,
right, so we kind of don't.
We don't know of don't.
Garry (37:43):
We don't know.
Amy (37:43):
We don't know, we don't know that's insane.
And we also forgot to mentionthat Gabby shows up briefly
because she shows up at Nora'shouse yes, and she's.
Is that the only time she's init?
Garry (37:53):
Yes, that's the only time she's in it.
Amy (37:54):
I think so because she's Nora's friend and Nora's saying
Gabby's coming over, over.
Garry (38:01):
And then is that when josh leaves well, that's when
she finds out that josh is thereand oh, yeah, and gabby, you
mean gabby I mean get with gabby, yeah, so that was a funny
scene too yeah, that was reallygood, so so it looks like this
is going to be a really goodseries.
Amy (38:15):
Yeah, it's it's, it's real.
Garry (38:16):
That was a really good opener, a second second really
fantastic episode.
Amy (38:22):
That was really well done, really well shot, really well
written.
Garry (38:26):
Yes.
Amy (38:26):
And I mean, I just love Erin Cahill too.
She is so fabulous.
Garry (38:30):
I like her in this role.
Amy (38:30):
She's just so sweet, yes, and so I just love her and the
way she can get emotional, youknow, and Ian Harding with him
playing Josh, is just he nailsit.
Garry (38:40):
Yes, he does.
Amy (38:41):
You know, I would be shocked if there's another
character that becomes myfavorite character in the show,
because that's right up my alley.
Garry (38:48):
Yes, it is.
Amy (38:48):
And I just love that.
So we're going to see.
Garry (38:52):
All right.
So what was your tinsel topmoment?
Amy (38:56):
My tinsel top moment would have to be the ornament when
Theo you're like tearing upright now, when Theo says he did
it for his dad and here's ablanket so he can see it right.
Garry (39:09):
So he wanted it to light up so his dad could see the
light, so he could see it.
Amy (39:12):
So he could get comfort from right that stuff.
So that was.
I thought that was real, thatwould be mine.
What about?
Garry (39:18):
you what's yours?
That was my tinsel top moment.
Amy (39:22):
Same same.
Yeah, I mean it has to be right, yeah?
Garry (39:25):
Emotional when he sees it for the first time and the
story he gives.
Amy (39:29):
Yes, Really really good.
And the look on Nora and Josh.
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
I think they have a winningseries on their hand.
Garry (39:41):
So, out of five ornaments , how many would you hang?
Amy (39:44):
Five, all day, every day.
Garry (39:45):
Yes, the tree is going to be packed, I think, by the end
of this If we keep going thisdirection, it's going to be A
tree.
Amy (39:55):
You cannot see, because it will have all ornaments.
Garry (40:00):
So is there a wrap?
That's a wrap, that's a wrap,all right.
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