June 10, 2025 • 31 mins
Jingle all the way… to murder? In this episode of Pour the Wine, It’s Rom-Com Time, "Peril of the Bells, Pt. 1” is unwrapped! The holiday spirit takes a deadly turn when a sleigh plummets off a roof during choir practice, nearly killing Debbie. For Emily, a sharp-eyed amateur sleuth, this isn’t the first red flag. With a history of near misses, and one confirmed death, the choir’s festive façade may be hiding a killer. Join Garry & Amy as they dissect the mystery, the mayhem, and the mistletoe in a Christmas tale where every note could be your last.
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Amy (00:08):
Welcome to Pour the Wine.
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things rom-com on the HallmarkChannel.
I'm Amy.
Garry (00:14):
And I'm Gary.
Amy (00:16):
And I really think you should pour that Cabernet
Sauvignon.
Garry (00:18):
And I really think you're right.
Amy (00:20):
I think you're right.
It's time for some wine.
Garry (00:22):
Yes, it is.
Amy (00:22):
Welcome back to Tinsel Tuesdays, where we review all
things Christmas.
Today we're reviewing episodenumber three of Mistletoe.
Garry (00:30):
Murders, murders.
Amy (00:32):
Peril of the Bells, part one.
It originally aired on HallmarkPlus on November 14th 2024.
And this is our first go-aroundwatching it.
We did not catch it in November, but we are catching it now.
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Yes, we are.
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There you go.
So are we adding any actors forthis episode?
Amy (01:55):
We are.
We're going to add a fewbecause, you know, as you know,
the first two episodes sort ofwrapped up that murder.
Garry (02:01):
Yes.
Amy (02:02):
One and two, so now we have some new actors, actors, actors
that are involved in the murder.
Garry (02:10):
Mm-hmm.
Amy (02:11):
A new group we have in addition to the main characters
which you can go and listen toepisode one.
Garry (02:19):
Yes and two.
Amy (02:20):
And two.
Probably Well, I think it wasepisode one.
Garry (02:23):
Yeah.
Amy (02:23):
Yeah, where, if you want to hear information about the main
actors in this, but in episodethree they have added Raven
Douda plays Debbie Branigan.
Garry (02:34):
Okay, for.
Amy (02:35):
Hallmark.
She was in A NutcrackerChristmas in 2016.
Some of her other work includesthe Hulu series Spellbound,
where she was in 39 episodesfrom 2023 to 2024.
She was in Star Trek Discover17 episodes from 2018 to 2024.
Lifetime's yes, chef Christmas.
We watched that.
(02:55):
That was really cute 2023.
Garry (02:57):
Yep.
Amy (02:57):
She voiced the character Charisse on three episodes of
the Mistletoe Murders podcast.
Garry (03:04):
Okay, in 2023.
Amy (03:06):
Four episodes of Umbrella Academy in 2020.
That pops up a lot, and threeepisodes of Suits in 2016.
Garry (03:15):
There's that bean pie again.
Amy (03:16):
Suits comes up, huh.
Garry (03:17):
There's that bean pie again.
Amy (03:18):
That's right.
Arlene Duncan plays Vera VanDorn For Hallmark.
She was in one episode of thegood witch in 2018.
I didn't see any other homeworkwork for her.
Okay, but she has done rom-comsfor other networks.
She was in a change in heart in2025, loving every minute in
2023 and the great holiday bakewar in 2022.
(03:41):
Some of her other work includesDix Town the series, 15
episodes between 2019 and 2022,two episodes of Suits in 2015,
and Eloise at Christmastime in2003.
David Delancey Wilson playsLance Mitford.
He was in one other Hallmarkproduction.
(04:02):
Catch Me If you Claws, that'scute too.
Garry (04:04):
We saw it in 2023.
Amy (04:05):
Some of his other work includes Murdoch Mysteries.
He was in one other Hallmarkproduction Catch Me If you Claws
.
That's cute too.
That's funny.
We saw it in 2023.
Some of his other work includesMurdoch Mysteries one episode
in 2025, good Sam one episode in2023, and the Handmaid's Tale.
Garry (04:15):
Ooh the Handmaid's Tale.
He was in one episode in 2018.
There's a new one.
Amy (04:19):
Jamie Spilchuck plays Adam Jameson.
Some of his Hallmark workincludes one episode of when
hope calls in 2019.
Now, when hope calls was on thehallmark channel for one season
, but it's now on the greatamerican family network I guess
for subsequent seasons.
He was in christmas in love in2018 and two episodes of the
(04:40):
good witch in 2016.
He also has done some rom-comsfor other networks.
He was in Mr Positively,perfect Positively.
Garry (04:49):
Positively.
Amy (04:51):
And the Love Issue in 2023.
And Christmas Around the Cornerin 2018.
He, too, was in one episode ofSuits in 2011.
It seems like all these actorsmake a stop at Suits.
Nicole Fulisteseski plays Nikki.
This is her Hallmark premiere.
She's been in about a dozenthings and a few of them are
(05:14):
Stealing the Sky in 2025 and oneepisode of Slip in 2023.
Slip.
Isaac Cragton plays Pete.
This is his Hallmark debut.
His other work includes Shore C, which is a Hulu series.
He was in five episodes in 2025.
The movie War with Grandpa in2020 with Robert De Niro Okay.
(05:35):
That's not too shabby and aseries called Odd Squad.
It's a kid series on PBS.
He was in 35 episodes between2016 and 2019.
Garry (05:45):
He's on.
Amy (05:46):
PBS.
He was in 35 episodes between2016 and 2019.
Garry (05:52):
Awesome.
Amy (05:53):
So these guys will be in this episode and the next
episode part two Peril, that'sawesome, peril of the bells.
Peril of the bells oh gosh,sorry about that.
Garry (06:01):
Well.
Amy (06:02):
I don't have any trivia for you today.
You don't have any no trivia.
Oh sorry, I'm so bum't have anytrivia for you today.
You don't have any no trivia,oh sorry.
Oh, I'm so bummed, I know.
Look at my sad face.
I know you were just.
No, I do like your trivia.
Garry (06:11):
You were biting the nails and you were like where's the
trivia?
Amy (06:14):
Where's the trivia?
What's it going to be?
What's it going to be?
Well then, we can the synopsis.
Drop the synopsis.
Garry (06:28):
Emily goes undercover when she suspects foul play in
the local choir Dun dun dunPeriod.
Amy (06:31):
Period, that's it for the synopsis.
That's it for the synopsis.
That'll do it.
Garry (06:36):
Well, we just want to give you guys a heads up.
We'll probably give away somespoilers.
Amy (06:41):
Definitely will, if you haven't watched it yet.
Garry (06:44):
Please press pause now press pause.
Go watch it yep, come back,press play and afterwards drop
us a review.
Amy (06:53):
Let us know, let us know how we did or go on socials and
let us know what you think aboutmistletoe murders I'm kind of
digging the two episode yes,plot lines which we didn't know
when we first started I had noidea.
So now we have a part one andpart two of Peril of the Bells
and you know you have newcharacters added in and some
(07:14):
have fallen off by the wayside.
For now I don't know if theyappear in.
You know, like the last episode.
Garry (07:19):
Well, June's still there, so that's good.
Amy (07:20):
I mean, I said some, yeah, not all.
Garry (07:23):
No, that's good.
I mean I said something yeah,not all, no, I know, but yay,
you're right, the unimportantones have fallen off.
Amy (07:30):
No, that's not true.
Garry (07:31):
You know what I mean.
You can't say that.
You know what I mean.
The episode is over.
They solved the mystery.
It's time to move on.
He didn't mean unimportant.
Amy (07:37):
It just means that their characters are no longer in the
storyline.
Garry (07:41):
That's what I'm saying the unimportant character,
because it's no longer relevantto this one.
Amy (07:46):
Okay, okay.
Garry (07:48):
Okay, I'm just going to have a sip of wine.
Real quick, have a sip of winebefore you talk about
unimportant.
Amy (07:52):
I know what you meant, but we have to let them know what
you meant.
They know what I meant, theyknow what you meant.
All right, so previously, so atthe end of the last episode,
emily figured out who themurderer was.
Yes, she did she figured outwho murdered Marcus?
Right, it was Rowan.
Spoiler alert if you haven'twatched it.
Garry (08:11):
Uh-oh.
Amy (08:12):
Well, you did say spoilers.
Garry (08:13):
I did.
I gave him a warning.
Amy (08:14):
Emily gives Ray a postcard that says something like here's
to keeping each other's secrets.
Yes, so we know her and Rayeither have a past or she found
out he's got something dark tooand he helps her out.
And Ray gave Emily a new box.
Yes, but we don't know thecontents.
Garry (08:32):
Nope.
Amy (08:33):
Sam starts to listen to Emily a little bit.
Garry (08:35):
Yes.
Amy (08:36):
He kind of eases off being upset at her.
Sam and Violet, his daughter,come to an understanding and
Emily definitely has a past, butwe're not sure what.
Garry (08:45):
Right where we are.
That's correct, which isinteresting.
Yeah, because I do like howthey are weaving all of this
together here, you know.
Amy (08:53):
Yeah I agree, so you have.
So you have the common theme ofher storyline and sam and
violet and, like you said alittle earlier, that there are
characters who are going to bein all of the episodes.
Right so we're going to learnmore about that.
It's kind of an interestingstorytelling.
Garry (09:11):
Yeah.
Amy (09:12):
I kind of I'm digging it.
Garry (09:13):
I am too.
I like it.
Amy (09:14):
I like it, yeah, yeah.
Garry (09:16):
Because they also have her little side thing going on
with.
Like you said, Ray, yeah WithWith.
Amy (09:22):
like you said, rey, yeah with.
Garry (09:23):
Rey.
So you got the love, you gotthe comedy, you got the ups and
downs.
Amy (09:26):
Yeah, she has a lot of one-liners right that are really
good.
Yes, she is very good at doingthat too.
I like it.
Cute and fun, I like it.
So how do you want to do?
You want to talk aboutrevelations in this episode?
Garry (09:37):
Yes, let's do some revelations.
Amy (09:40):
All right, so I feel like we should have a murder board.
Garry (09:42):
We like to play the game Hunt a Killer.
Yes.
Amy (09:45):
If you've never played it it's really fun Some of them are
really hard.
You can find them on like what,amazon, yes, target, and you
can go to probablyhuntakillercom still.
But we have played many, manyof those games and we love those
games, yes, so these two, theseepisodes kind of remind me of
that.
I'm looking for clues.
I'm not very good at it.
Garry (10:03):
Right.
Amy (10:04):
I do look for clues.
Garry (10:05):
Yeah.
Amy (10:06):
So in this episode we're introduced to the Singing
Snowbells.
Yay, which I like which is thetown's choir.
Garry (10:13):
Yes.
Amy (10:14):
I guess, and they are caroling outside.
Garry (10:16):
Yes, and they're competitive.
Amy (10:18):
And they are competitive.
There's politics and choir.
There's politics and choir.
Garry (10:22):
There's politics and everything.
Amy (10:23):
They sounded pretty good.
Garry (10:24):
Yes, they did.
Amy (10:25):
I wonder if some of them are real life singers.
Garry (10:27):
Oh, you know they are Probably.
Pretty much.
If you're on Hallmark, he'ssinging.
Amy (10:31):
You sing it.
You sing it Well, maybe.
Garry (10:33):
You got some pipes.
Most of them do.
Amy (10:35):
So they're outside singing and a sleigh falls on one of the
carolers from the rooftop fromthe rooftop and I'm impressed on
how it landed on her I know I Iwas like there's the murder
spoiler alert debbie survivesthe sleigh falling on her from
the rooftops yes, that wasamazing.
Garry (10:56):
That's some really good it landed just right, yep right.
Amy (11:00):
So what happened to caroling?
Anyway do people go caroling alot still.
Garry (11:04):
You know, I don't know.
Amy (11:05):
I mean, like you always see it in movies and TV shows and
things, but it was never reallypopular, Like when I was a kid
we didn't go caroling with myfriends down the street, you
know, arm in arm.
I think the last time I wentwhen the kids were little, it
was probably more than 20 yearsago and one of the girls was in
Girl Scouts and we walked aroundand that was really fun.
Garry (11:26):
Right.
Amy (11:27):
But that was about it.
Garry (11:30):
I know.
Amy (11:30):
And I don't remember anybody ever coming to our door.
Garry (11:33):
I know, you know, we never had anybody come to the
door.
Amy (11:35):
Yeah, yeah, for caroling, so, but we do like to go to
Busch Gardens, christmastown.
Yes, we do, and they have Late1800s maybe.
Garry (11:45):
I would think so.
Yes, Costumes.
Amy (11:47):
And it's very cool and we always stop and listen to them.
Garry (11:51):
And they're always in character too, so that's fun.
Amy (11:53):
Yeah, yeah, and there are always some character in that.
Yeah, so it's pretty cool.
Yeah, but yeah, so maybe smalltowns do it.
I don't know More than Maybe weshould go to a small.
(12:14):
So then another revelation sodebbie survives.
Yes, she does, she does.
And emily finds out that debbiealmost died by food poisoning
yes, a few months prior andanother member, clara, was
killed by hit and run yes, in aneighboring city, and of course
then emily, who is some kind ofbackground of detective work
she's something yes things areadding up for her that maybe
this all isn't a coincidence.
Garry (12:32):
And it's hard for her to let Sam know hey, I know there's
something going on.
I just can't tell you, becausethen you're going to start
digging into my past.
Right, right, we can't have itright now.
Amy (12:43):
Well doesn't she say something like it would be
dangerous if I got close to him?
Because she kind of likes him alittle bit and so she does try
to tell him.
But she's not pushy and she'smore open now where she tried to
hide her questioning in thelast what the first or second
episode.
She tried to and he got upset.
Garry (12:59):
But now she's like hey, this is what I found out, and
just so you know, and she getshim to kind of move along with
the investigation by just saying, hey, can I look at this sleigh
?
Something doesn't seem right.
Amy (13:14):
Yes, that's right, that's right.
Garry (13:16):
And then I think his name's Jameson or Adam Adam,
yeah, yeah, he's the town.
Amy (13:24):
I guess he picks up junk and hauls it off for him yeah, I
forget what the name of hiscompany is, and he's the husband
of Clara, who was like we don'tknow, she's murdered.
Garry (13:33):
She was killed in a hidden run murdered and he's
kind of.
They make it seem like he wantsSam to hurry up an
investigation so he can haul offthe sled like he had done
something to the sled.
Amy (13:46):
But oh, that's right he did .
I didn't think about it thatway, but you're right, he was
like I want to take it.
Yeah, he kind of gets a littlegrumpy in that scene.
Garry (13:53):
Yeah, I didn't look at it that way but you're right, yeah
, so, and then we move on toDebbie again.
Amy (14:01):
Debbie again.
Third time's a charm, yeah.
Not really so she sprays hermouth with her.
Garry (14:06):
Well, she tells Emily she's allergic to honeybee.
Amy (14:11):
Right, or bees honey, bee pollen or something.
No, it's bees honey.
Bees honey yes.
Garry (14:16):
Because she goes into the store and it's almost, I feel,
like she's planting this stuff.
Right, she's telling peopleLike leaving little nuggets,
Little nuggets that hey, if thishappens to me, yeah, you know,
maybe, but she wanted to getsome snacks for the choir prior
to that night's.
You know, practice Right.
And that's when she tells shedrops a couple nuggets there too
(14:38):
.
She talks about Clara.
She talks about, does she talk?
Amy (14:44):
about.
Garry (14:44):
Adam, at this point I'm not sure.
Amy (14:46):
But anyways I don't yeah.
Garry (14:47):
That's when they go and they have practice.
Amy (14:51):
Right For the choir, for the choir For the choir.
Right, right, right.
Garry (14:54):
Well, she's a trip.
That girl is a trip, debbie's atrip.
Amy (14:56):
She can't find her purse.
She missed, right, yeah, sothey're at the choir practice
and she misplaces her purse.
And Lance, who's another choirmember who we find out was in
prison because of a tattoo onhis arm that Emily recognized.
That's a long segue, yeah, andhe knew where her purse was,
which I thought was interestingbecause he pointed it right out
(15:19):
to her.
Garry (15:19):
So did, he do?
Amy (15:20):
something with her purse.
Garry (15:21):
We don't know.
We don't know.
Amy (15:30):
The suspect list is growing .
Garry (15:30):
And then they start to practice and she sprays herself
with her.
I guess it's a throat spraybecause she's seeing, I don't
know it's clear.
Amy (15:33):
Yeah, loosen up her throat and then she has an allergic
reaction because somebody lacedher spray with shocking honey,
bee, honey, honey, which theydon't know until later on.
Garry (15:46):
Right, right, right right .
Amy (15:47):
But so her throat starts to close up and she has an
allergic reaction.
They have to call 911.
Garry (15:52):
Because they can't find her EpiPen.
Amy (15:56):
Right, exactly, it's missing from her purse, which
she always has with her.
So the question is who did it?
Who took the EpiPen.
Who's trying to set her up?
It's not Brooke, so then, aftershe her up, it's not broke.
So then after she no, it's notbroke.
So then she this is where emilyfinally convinces sam yes,
something's going on becausethis is like the third attempt
(16:18):
on her life.
Allegedly she had the.
Garry (16:22):
The food poisoning poisoning the sleigh, the sleigh
, and then this, and then that.
Amy (16:27):
And then this allergic reaction.
Garry (16:29):
And why is it always happening to her?
Amy (16:32):
That's a good question.
That's what we don't know.
Garry (16:34):
Because we do find out she did inherit some money.
Right and she's the one that'sactually funding the.
Amy (16:39):
Bells, the Bells right, right, right, yeah.
Garry (16:42):
And I guess that's why Vera lets her get away with what
she lets her get away with, andVera is the choir director
Right, but Vera does itreluctantly.
Amy (16:52):
Like there's some contentious stuff going on
between Brooke, Debbie and Vera.
Garry (16:57):
Yes.
Amy (16:58):
And I think there's some point where Emily was like if
I'd known the politics would bethis good, I would have joined
the choir a long time ago orsomething like that Just to
enjoy it.
So Emily's kind of observingeveryone's interactions and
everything right.
So and then you find out thatAdam Clara's husband believed
she was murdered.
Yes, he never believed it wasan accident.
(17:20):
So that kind of adds fuel toEmily's fire.
Suspicion, Suspicion, yeah whenshe's trying to figure stuff out
.
You talked about Debbie funding.
Emily and Sam go to talk toAdam.
Garry (17:33):
Yes.
Amy (17:35):
And they oh wait, maybe we want to go back to that in a
minute.
Garry (17:39):
Yeah.
Amy (17:39):
Violet's key to the store goes missing.
Garry (17:41):
Yes.
Amy (17:42):
Violet has.
Emily gives her a key to lockup and trust her.
And all of a sudden, violet,who's a good kid responsible,
can't find her a key.
Well, I suspect it's.
Garry (17:54):
Who do you suspect?
Amy (17:55):
The boy who picked her up.
Garry (17:57):
Oh, you think so?
Yeah, I think Pete.
Is that his name?
Pete, pete, was it Pete?
Yeah, I think it's Pete.
Amy (18:03):
Yes, it's Pete.
So Violet's leaving the storeone night and her friend, or her
friend Nikki, and I guess it'sher brother.
Pete.
He's mad because he's got to gopick her up and she gets in the
back and I suspect the keymight be in the back of his car.
OK, and he probably finds it,and I think we're going to find
out, obviously in part two, butthat's what I think.
(18:24):
So the key is missing and she'sstressed out as a teen would be
because Emily trusts her.
She's lost the key.
Her dad knows something's upwith her, but she hasn't told
her dad yet.
Garry (18:35):
Right.
Amy (18:35):
So she's a little bit freaking out.
Yeah, a little bit.
Garry (18:39):
You know what's funny about that?
Because it reminds me when youfirst get that key to close up a
shop for the first time whenyou have a job.
Yeah, how many raise your hand?
Amy (18:51):
Yeah, I got my hand raised.
How many of?
Garry (18:53):
you sat there, locked it, unlocked it locked it again
shook the handle.
Made sure everything was lockedup, made sure the lights were
off.
Amy (19:01):
And that's kind of what she does.
She only has her to make sureshe can lock the door.
And she locks it like threetimes and pulls on the door.
It is because it's so muchresponsibility, you know.
I thought that, yeah, Iremember that too.
Garry (19:15):
Oh, I had a few keys.
Yeah, me too, and it was verynerve-wracking yes, it was but
fun yeah.
So her key um what else, whatelse, what else but you're going
back to adam, when he wastalking to emily, he also
because he suspect she.
He told her she was murderedand that they drove the bells,
drove her away.
Yes, but he told her why hesuspected because she was going
(19:39):
to do an audition, um, with astate.
Amy (19:42):
Uh, champion, champion choir, who won a lot of awards,
the only person she told wasDebbie.
Right.
But then the twist is we findout from Debbie that Adam had
come to her house drunk, askingher who his wife was having an
affair with.
Garry (19:58):
Yes, another nugget.
Amy (20:00):
If we believe that, If we believe that, but so that's what
Debbie tells Emily.
Garry (20:06):
Mm-hmm.
Amy (20:06):
Because, oh, and we forgot about Sam, talked to the other
town and found they suspectedDebbie.
Garry (20:14):
Yes, they have a file, so .
Amy (20:15):
Emily confronts and doesn't confront her but has an
opportunity to ask her somequestions about her car.
Garry (20:21):
Right.
Amy (20:22):
And where her car was.
And then that's when she tellsher about Adam.
Garry (20:27):
Right.
Amy (20:28):
Coming to her house drunk.
Garry (20:30):
Yes.
Amy (20:30):
Accusing his wife of having an affair and Debbie says
something like if it was with abell.
Garry (20:36):
she basically is like we would know if it was a bell and
she was not having an affairwith anyone, because you can't
keep secrets in a quiet.
Yeah.
Amy (20:41):
Yeah, so that was a pretty good yeah.
Garry (20:44):
But see, emily tried to get some info from her because
she was like so what towingservice did you use?
Yeah, Because you know, I havea friend whose car is broken
down.
They want to get rid of it andshe kind of oh I just left it
down at the end of the driveway,but that was after.
Amy (20:59):
Debbie said she just got rid of her car a couple months.
Garry (21:02):
Right, she just got rid of it Because it was too
expensive and cars are expensiveand the upkeep, and she just
didn't you know care how.
So you see how All these littlethings are pointing in her
direction.
You think it's?
Amy (21:10):
her.
It's not her, is it her?
Garry (21:12):
I don't know.
Amy (21:12):
Would she set herself up to have an allergic reaction?
Garry (21:17):
Well, what did Sam say?
You would do it to get the copsoff your train.
Amy (21:21):
Yeah, I mean I guess you would, but that's pretty serious
to do.
Garry (21:25):
To have a slay drop on you, yeah, yeah.
You got to be in the right time.
Amy (21:29):
I mean.
So Emily and Sam go to talk toAdam after they find out the
information about him beingdrunk and suspecting her,
because that gives Adam motivenow because he thought his wife
was having an affair.
So they go to talk to him.
He's not home.
And then they leave and theyfind his truck off the road.
Garry (21:48):
Yeah.
Amy (21:48):
Basically, and my question is when they were going to
Adam's house they didn't see thetruck.
Garry (21:54):
Right.
Amy (21:54):
Or the stuff on the road.
So did they go back a differentway, or are we?
Garry (21:57):
supposed to believe that that?
Amy (21:58):
happened in between.
Garry (22:01):
Yeah.
Amy (22:02):
I don't know.
I thought that was a weird.
Garry (22:04):
Yeah, that was kind of a weird thing, because they would
see it going.
Amy (22:06):
But are we supposed to think then that maybe he was
leaving or something happenedwhile they were at his house?
Right they kind of crossedpaths, I don't know right.
Right, I just thought that was.
Garry (22:15):
I thought he was going to be jumping out a window,
getting in a car and taking off.
That's what I had in mind butyeah, because they were driving
down the road because he wasn'thome and they saw boxes in the,
in the in the street, which werethe boxes that emily had given
to Adam earlier on that day toget rid of.
So, yes, his car was off in aditch off to the side, his phone
(22:40):
was on the seat front seat andthere was blood.
So we're not sure what's goingon there, right.
Amy (22:45):
We don't know where he is.
Garry (22:47):
Yeah.
Amy (22:47):
He's not there.
We don't know if he's stillalive.
Garry (22:49):
I presume he probably is Right.
Amy (22:52):
So that's a little bit of a mystery.
Garry (22:54):
A mystery.
Hence the mistletoe murders,murders.
Amy (22:59):
We find out, you know, I guess, a few last things.
We find out a little more aboutEmily, right.
She can program she runs theprogram.
She's a hacker, so the flashdrive that she used.
Garry (23:12):
That was given to her by Ray?
Amy (23:13):
Was that in the box?
Garry (23:14):
then, ray, that's what was in the box.
It was in the box.
Amy (23:16):
It was a flash drive that she could use so that she could
search the internet and not betraced.
Garry (23:22):
Right.
She developed a program.
It was an encrypted USB drivethat allowed her to search in
the shadows.
Amy (23:30):
In the shadows Without being caught On the dark web or
whatever it in the shadows.
In the shadows Without beingcaught On the dark web or
whatever.
It's kind of like a VPN.
Yeah, yeah.
Garry (23:35):
They won't know where you're at.
Amy (23:37):
Where you're at, because you're using it through
something else.
Right, right, right.
So she says the name Kimara.
Garry (23:44):
Kimara, I wrote that down .
Amy (23:45):
Still makes the hair on the back of her neck stand up.
So we don't know, I assumethat's the name of a company,
not a person, camira.
Garry (23:55):
Camira, maybe Something like that, yeah.
Amy (23:57):
She says something to June about grief.
Grief never really disappears.
It just becomes an ache youlearn to live with.
So you've got to wonder whatthat's about.
Who did she lose?
Is she talking about herparents?
A significant other?
Garry (24:09):
Well, she had that picture of I'm assuming it was
her with her parents, her family, right, right.
Amy (24:17):
And then she references the prison tattoo on Lance.
He's a member of the choir andshe says something like and I
would know not that.
Garry (24:23):
I'm sharing that story.
Amy (24:26):
So we get all these little tidbits and we just still don't
know her story, which is greatbecause it can still build and
develop over the next twoepisodes and next season, I
guess.
So, yeah, it's kind of it'skind of interesting because you
know you mentioned she.
Garry (24:42):
We find out that she's a programmer, she's this hacker,
she's got all these passportsand money and stuff and she's
got this like tough book.
The laptop is a tough book,right, which I wish I could get
that battery pack, because thatthing is never plugged in and it
stays on all the time she wasrunning that program in the
(25:02):
background, went and had a day.
Came back it was still going,so I'd love to have that battery
.
But I also find interesting thatRay kind of reminds me like
Inspector Gadget.
Well, you know how they gettheir gadgets before they get
he's the gadget guy.
Amy (25:14):
Yeah, he's the gadget guy.
He gets her the stuff, yeah.
Garry (25:17):
It'd be cool if he gives her something else later on in
another episode.
Amy (25:21):
That'd be pretty cool he probably does for her to use.
I liked I mean she had wetalked about it earlier her
one-liners in this one.
Oh my goodness, like when shejoins the choir, she's talking
to Sam and he's like did youjoin the choir because you know,
just to prove me wrong orwhatever?
And she's like would I lie toan officer of the law?
Garry (25:40):
I know, you know it's so funny.
Amy (25:41):
I mean she just, and the way she delivers them is so good
.
The way Sarah Drew, the actor,delivers them is so good.
And we talked about thepolitics.
If I knew choir politics werethis entertaining, I would have
joined a long time ago.
Yes, I know and then when shesaid Glee meets, Mean Girls
meets Friday the 13th with thatcrew about the choir.
I thought, that was so good.
I'm telling you.
(26:04):
That was a perfect explanationof choir.
And that's just girls ingeneral, I think Anytime you get
more than two, there's trouble.
Garry (26:11):
Yep, there's always trouble.
There's always trouble withgirls Double the trouble yeah.
Amy (26:15):
Who do you think did it?
What do you think?
Garry (26:18):
Well, everything's pointing to Debbie, you know.
Amy (26:23):
I know, but I don't want to .
I'm thinking no, for somereason.
I'm going to say if I had tochoose anybody.
Garry (26:29):
But again you get that they're showing you who the
murderer is and you're still notbelieving, or is it too obvious
because they're making it tooobvious?
So I would say I don't think itcould be Adam.
Amy (26:43):
I don't think it's.
I don't believe it's Adam.
Garry (26:44):
I don't believe Adam ran his wife over and the only other
person to me in the choir wouldbe Vera, because I don't think
the other ones.
Yeah, vera might be the onlyother one, I just don't see
anybody that sticks out.
Amy (26:58):
And why is Lance there?
We find out that Adam and Lancethey have a little argument.
And if he was in prison, wasAdam in prison at one time?
Because I'm thinking maybe Adamhired him to go and try to find
who the murderer was.
That's what I think, but Idon't know.
I mean, yeah, signs sort ofpoint to Debbie, but is it too
(27:20):
obvious?
Or is it obvious and they'reshowing you?
I mean I don't know my brain isall over the place.
Garry (27:25):
That's why I just don't know.
Those would be my two yeah,would be well, actually three
Vera, adam and Debbie.
Two would be yeah, would bewell, actually three vera, adam
and and yeah, because there's noother character?
Amy (27:37):
well, obviously, yeah, I don't think it's going to be
somebody we didn't.
Just, you know that they're notfocusing on.
I mean, maybe it could be, butwhat do I know?
I'm terrible at this.
I I'm terrible at the hunterkiller games.
Garry (27:47):
I like playing them, I like trying to figure it out,
but I am not although it couldbe, it might be vera it might be
vera because when that sledfell she kind of backed up a
little bit and then debbie cameout now debbie doing that solo.
Amy (28:01):
Oh my gosh oh yeah, that head shaking and because when
it's like if I because I can'tsing, and that's what I do I'll
shake my head, like I'm gettingthe words out by shaking my head
.
And there's Brooke who wants asolo and she can't get one.
So there's that you know youthink?
They're fighting over the solos, and Clara was their main
(28:22):
soloist.
Yes, the one who got hit by acar.
Garry (28:25):
the hit and run so there's that angle too, yeah too
, yeah, so and vera is worriedabout the christmas tree not
lighting up right and adam's theone that's doing the tree, so
well, that's yeah, so we got alot of things going on.
Amy (28:39):
Do you think that?
Garry (28:39):
tree is gonna fall on somebody I hope not.
Amy (28:42):
I don't know, we'll find out.
Garry (28:43):
Maybe, maybe I don't know it could be the final, the
final act, yeah I didn't thinkabout that, but maybe we'll go,
we're gonna find out, stay tunedstay tuned.
Amy (28:54):
What was your tinsel topped moment?
Garry (28:56):
of this episode.
I when emily broke out that usbshe put that in and the
narration of what she was doing,I was like, oh my god look at
this.
Amy (29:07):
That was pretty good.
This is my kind of person.
I know the hacker that she is.
Garry (29:11):
I was like yes, yep, what about you?
What was your?
Amy (29:15):
mine was.
There's a scene where emily andsam are in the car and sam
reluctantly asks her to help oh,because he's like could you
just?
And she's like, do you need myhelp, do you need to be a spy?
And he's like no, not a spy,just if you could, you know.
And she's like yes, and thenshe goes anyone in particular,
and then she says something likeplease say Brooke, it would.
(29:36):
It would explain so much.
You know, I think that's part ofthe narration.
I just thought that scene wasso cute and so fun Cause you
know, she's like dying.
She's already doing the legworkand he doesn't know that, but
she's dying to do it where heknows.
So to do it where he knows, sothey can talk about it and she
can get information from him.
So it was just I that's mytinsel top moment for the
(29:57):
episode.
That's awesome.
I thought that was cute.
Garry (29:58):
Yep, yep so, out of five ornaments, how many would you
give it?
Amy (30:02):
I'd give it a solid four.
I'd I'd hang four on the treefrom this.
Yeah, what about you?
Garry (30:06):
two, four, yep yeah, I really enjoyed this one yeah,
I'm actually liking this one.
I think a little bit betterthan the first one, oh okay, the
first murder.
The first murder, murder.
Yeah, I can't wait to see thepart two.
Amy (30:19):
All right, cool yeah.
Garry (30:20):
All right, so is that a wrap that?
Amy (30:21):
is a wrap.
Garry (30:23):
All right folks, thanks for listening.
Be sure to follow the podcastwherever you listen, so Also
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Amy (30:47):
You can, but we prefer to be positive.
Yes, we would Join us nextTinsel Tuesday when we review
episode number four, peril ofthe bells, part two.
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Today we're reviewing episodenumber three of Mistletoe.
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Murders, murders.
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Peril of the Bells, part one.
It originally aired on HallmarkPlus on November 14th 2024.
And this is our first go-aroundwatching it.
We did not catch it in November, but we are catching it now.
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So are we adding any actors forthis episode?
Amy (01:55):
We are.
We're going to add a fewbecause, you know, as you know,
the first two episodes sort ofwrapped up that murder.
Garry (02:01):
Yes.
Amy (02:02):
One and two, so now we have some new actors, actors, actors
that are involved in the murder.
Garry (02:10):
Mm-hmm.
Amy (02:11):
A new group we have in addition to the main characters
which you can go and listen toepisode one.
Garry (02:19):
Yes and two.
Amy (02:20):
And two.
Probably Well, I think it wasepisode one.
Garry (02:23):
Yeah.
Amy (02:23):
Yeah, where, if you want to hear information about the main
actors in this, but in episodethree they have added Raven
Douda plays Debbie Branigan.
Garry (02:34):
Okay, for.
Amy (02:35):
Hallmark.
She was in A NutcrackerChristmas in 2016.
Some of her other work includesthe Hulu series Spellbound,
where she was in 39 episodesfrom 2023 to 2024.
She was in Star Trek Discover17 episodes from 2018 to 2024.
Lifetime's yes, chef Christmas.
We watched that.
(02:55):
That was really cute 2023.
Garry (02:57):
Yep.
Amy (02:57):
She voiced the character Charisse on three episodes of
the Mistletoe Murders podcast.
Garry (03:04):
Okay, in 2023.
Amy (03:06):
Four episodes of Umbrella Academy in 2020.
That pops up a lot, and threeepisodes of Suits in 2016.
Garry (03:15):
There's that bean pie again.
Amy (03:16):
Suits comes up, huh.
Garry (03:17):
There's that bean pie again.
Amy (03:18):
That's right.
Arlene Duncan plays Vera VanDorn For Hallmark.
She was in one episode of thegood witch in 2018.
I didn't see any other homeworkwork for her.
Okay, but she has done rom-comsfor other networks.
She was in a change in heart in2025, loving every minute in
2023 and the great holiday bakewar in 2022.
(03:41):
Some of her other work includesDix Town the series, 15
episodes between 2019 and 2022,two episodes of Suits in 2015,
and Eloise at Christmastime in2003.
David Delancey Wilson playsLance Mitford.
He was in one other Hallmarkproduction.
(04:02):
Catch Me If you Claws, that'scute too.
Garry (04:04):
We saw it in 2023.
Amy (04:05):
Some of his other work includes Murdoch Mysteries.
He was in one other Hallmarkproduction Catch Me If you Claws
.
That's cute too.
That's funny.
We saw it in 2023.
Some of his other work includesMurdoch Mysteries one episode
in 2025, good Sam one episode in2023, and the Handmaid's Tale.
Garry (04:15):
Ooh the Handmaid's Tale.
He was in one episode in 2018.
There's a new one.
Amy (04:19):
Jamie Spilchuck plays Adam Jameson.
Some of his Hallmark workincludes one episode of when
hope calls in 2019.
Now, when hope calls was on thehallmark channel for one season
, but it's now on the greatamerican family network I guess
for subsequent seasons.
He was in christmas in love in2018 and two episodes of the
(04:40):
good witch in 2016.
He also has done some rom-comsfor other networks.
He was in Mr Positively,perfect Positively.
Garry (04:49):
Positively.
Amy (04:51):
And the Love Issue in 2023.
And Christmas Around the Cornerin 2018.
He, too, was in one episode ofSuits in 2011.
It seems like all these actorsmake a stop at Suits.
Nicole Fulisteseski plays Nikki.
This is her Hallmark premiere.
She's been in about a dozenthings and a few of them are
(05:14):
Stealing the Sky in 2025 and oneepisode of Slip in 2023.
Slip.
Isaac Cragton plays Pete.
This is his Hallmark debut.
His other work includes Shore C, which is a Hulu series.
He was in five episodes in 2025.
The movie War with Grandpa in2020 with Robert De Niro Okay.
(05:35):
That's not too shabby and aseries called Odd Squad.
It's a kid series on PBS.
He was in 35 episodes between2016 and 2019.
Garry (05:45):
He's on.
Amy (05:46):
PBS.
He was in 35 episodes between2016 and 2019.
Garry (05:52):
Awesome.
Amy (05:53):
So these guys will be in this episode and the next
episode part two Peril, that'sawesome, peril of the bells.
Peril of the bells oh gosh,sorry about that.
Garry (06:01):
Well.
Amy (06:02):
I don't have any trivia for you today.
You don't have any no trivia.
Oh sorry, I'm so bum't have anytrivia for you today.
You don't have any no trivia,oh sorry.
Oh, I'm so bummed, I know.
Look at my sad face.
I know you were just.
No, I do like your trivia.
Garry (06:11):
You were biting the nails and you were like where's the
trivia?
Amy (06:14):
Where's the trivia?
What's it going to be?
What's it going to be?
Well then, we can the synopsis.
Drop the synopsis.
Garry (06:28):
Emily goes undercover when she suspects foul play in
the local choir Dun dun dunPeriod.
Amy (06:31):
Period, that's it for the synopsis.
That's it for the synopsis.
That'll do it.
Garry (06:36):
Well, we just want to give you guys a heads up.
We'll probably give away somespoilers.
Amy (06:41):
Definitely will, if you haven't watched it yet.
Garry (06:44):
Please press pause now press pause.
Go watch it yep, come back,press play and afterwards drop
us a review.
Amy (06:53):
Let us know, let us know how we did or go on socials and
let us know what you think aboutmistletoe murders I'm kind of
digging the two episode yes,plot lines which we didn't know
when we first started I had noidea.
So now we have a part one andpart two of Peril of the Bells
and you know you have newcharacters added in and some
(07:14):
have fallen off by the wayside.
For now I don't know if theyappear in.
You know, like the last episode.
Garry (07:19):
Well, June's still there, so that's good.
Amy (07:20):
I mean, I said some, yeah, not all.
Garry (07:23):
No, that's good.
I mean I said something yeah,not all, no, I know, but yay,
you're right, the unimportantones have fallen off.
Amy (07:30):
No, that's not true.
Garry (07:31):
You know what I mean.
You can't say that.
You know what I mean.
The episode is over.
They solved the mystery.
It's time to move on.
He didn't mean unimportant.
Amy (07:37):
It just means that their characters are no longer in the
storyline.
Garry (07:41):
That's what I'm saying the unimportant character,
because it's no longer relevantto this one.
Amy (07:46):
Okay, okay.
Garry (07:48):
Okay, I'm just going to have a sip of wine.
Real quick, have a sip of winebefore you talk about
unimportant.
Amy (07:52):
I know what you meant, but we have to let them know what
you meant.
They know what I meant, theyknow what you meant.
All right, so previously, so atthe end of the last episode,
emily figured out who themurderer was.
Yes, she did she figured outwho murdered Marcus?
Right, it was Rowan.
Spoiler alert if you haven'twatched it.
Garry (08:11):
Uh-oh.
Amy (08:12):
Well, you did say spoilers.
Garry (08:13):
I did.
I gave him a warning.
Amy (08:14):
Emily gives Ray a postcard that says something like here's
to keeping each other's secrets.
Yes, so we know her and Rayeither have a past or she found
out he's got something dark tooand he helps her out.
And Ray gave Emily a new box.
Yes, but we don't know thecontents.
Garry (08:32):
Nope.
Amy (08:33):
Sam starts to listen to Emily a little bit.
Garry (08:35):
Yes.
Amy (08:36):
He kind of eases off being upset at her.
Sam and Violet, his daughter,come to an understanding and
Emily definitely has a past, butwe're not sure what.
Garry (08:45):
Right where we are.
That's correct, which isinteresting.
Yeah, because I do like howthey are weaving all of this
together here, you know.
Amy (08:53):
Yeah I agree, so you have.
So you have the common theme ofher storyline and sam and
violet and, like you said alittle earlier, that there are
characters who are going to bein all of the episodes.
Right so we're going to learnmore about that.
It's kind of an interestingstorytelling.
Garry (09:11):
Yeah.
Amy (09:12):
I kind of I'm digging it.
Garry (09:13):
I am too.
I like it.
Amy (09:14):
I like it, yeah, yeah.
Garry (09:16):
Because they also have her little side thing going on
with.
Like you said, Ray, yeah WithWith.
Amy (09:22):
like you said, rey, yeah with.
Garry (09:23):
Rey.
So you got the love, you gotthe comedy, you got the ups and
downs.
Amy (09:26):
Yeah, she has a lot of one-liners right that are really
good.
Yes, she is very good at doingthat too.
I like it.
Cute and fun, I like it.
So how do you want to do?
You want to talk aboutrevelations in this episode?
Garry (09:37):
Yes, let's do some revelations.
Amy (09:40):
All right, so I feel like we should have a murder board.
Garry (09:42):
We like to play the game Hunt a Killer.
Yes.
Amy (09:45):
If you've never played it it's really fun Some of them are
really hard.
You can find them on like what,amazon, yes, target, and you
can go to probablyhuntakillercom still.
But we have played many, manyof those games and we love those
games, yes, so these two, theseepisodes kind of remind me of
that.
I'm looking for clues.
I'm not very good at it.
Garry (10:03):
Right.
Amy (10:04):
I do look for clues.
Garry (10:05):
Yeah.
Amy (10:06):
So in this episode we're introduced to the Singing
Snowbells.
Yay, which I like which is thetown's choir.
Garry (10:13):
Yes.
Amy (10:14):
I guess, and they are caroling outside.
Garry (10:16):
Yes, and they're competitive.
Amy (10:18):
And they are competitive.
There's politics and choir.
There's politics and choir.
Garry (10:22):
There's politics and everything.
Amy (10:23):
They sounded pretty good.
Garry (10:24):
Yes, they did.
Amy (10:25):
I wonder if some of them are real life singers.
Garry (10:27):
Oh, you know they are Probably.
Pretty much.
If you're on Hallmark, he'ssinging.
Amy (10:31):
You sing it.
You sing it Well, maybe.
Garry (10:33):
You got some pipes.
Most of them do.
Amy (10:35):
So they're outside singing and a sleigh falls on one of the
carolers from the rooftop fromthe rooftop and I'm impressed on
how it landed on her I know I Iwas like there's the murder
spoiler alert debbie survivesthe sleigh falling on her from
the rooftops yes, that wasamazing.
Garry (10:56):
That's some really good it landed just right, yep right.
Amy (11:00):
So what happened to caroling?
Anyway do people go caroling alot still.
Garry (11:04):
You know, I don't know.
Amy (11:05):
I mean, like you always see it in movies and TV shows and
things, but it was never reallypopular, Like when I was a kid
we didn't go caroling with myfriends down the street, you
know, arm in arm.
I think the last time I wentwhen the kids were little, it
was probably more than 20 yearsago and one of the girls was in
Girl Scouts and we walked aroundand that was really fun.
Garry (11:26):
Right.
Amy (11:27):
But that was about it.
Garry (11:30):
I know.
Amy (11:30):
And I don't remember anybody ever coming to our door.
Garry (11:33):
I know, you know, we never had anybody come to the
door.
Amy (11:35):
Yeah, yeah, for caroling, so, but we do like to go to
Busch Gardens, christmastown.
Yes, we do, and they have Late1800s maybe.
Garry (11:45):
I would think so.
Yes, Costumes.
Amy (11:47):
And it's very cool and we always stop and listen to them.
Garry (11:51):
And they're always in character too, so that's fun.
Amy (11:53):
Yeah, yeah, and there are always some character in that.
Yeah, so it's pretty cool.
Yeah, but yeah, so maybe smalltowns do it.
I don't know More than Maybe weshould go to a small.
(12:14):
So then another revelation sodebbie survives.
Yes, she does, she does.
And emily finds out that debbiealmost died by food poisoning
yes, a few months prior andanother member, clara, was
killed by hit and run yes, in aneighboring city, and of course
then emily, who is some kind ofbackground of detective work
she's something yes things areadding up for her that maybe
this all isn't a coincidence.
Garry (12:32):
And it's hard for her to let Sam know hey, I know there's
something going on.
I just can't tell you, becausethen you're going to start
digging into my past.
Right, right, we can't have itright now.
Amy (12:43):
Well doesn't she say something like it would be
dangerous if I got close to him?
Because she kind of likes him alittle bit and so she does try
to tell him.
But she's not pushy and she'smore open now where she tried to
hide her questioning in thelast what the first or second
episode.
She tried to and he got upset.
Garry (12:59):
But now she's like hey, this is what I found out, and
just so you know, and she getshim to kind of move along with
the investigation by just saying, hey, can I look at this sleigh
?
Something doesn't seem right.
Amy (13:14):
Yes, that's right, that's right.
Garry (13:16):
And then I think his name's Jameson or Adam Adam,
yeah, yeah, he's the town.
Amy (13:24):
I guess he picks up junk and hauls it off for him yeah, I
forget what the name of hiscompany is, and he's the husband
of Clara, who was like we don'tknow, she's murdered.
Garry (13:33):
She was killed in a hidden run murdered and he's
kind of.
They make it seem like he wantsSam to hurry up an
investigation so he can haul offthe sled like he had done
something to the sled.
Amy (13:46):
But oh, that's right he did .
I didn't think about it thatway, but you're right, he was
like I want to take it.
Yeah, he kind of gets a littlegrumpy in that scene.
Garry (13:53):
Yeah, I didn't look at it that way but you're right, yeah
, so, and then we move on toDebbie again.
Amy (14:01):
Debbie again.
Third time's a charm, yeah.
Not really so she sprays hermouth with her.
Garry (14:06):
Well, she tells Emily she's allergic to honeybee.
Amy (14:11):
Right, or bees honey, bee pollen or something.
No, it's bees honey.
Bees honey yes.
Garry (14:16):
Because she goes into the store and it's almost, I feel,
like she's planting this stuff.
Right, she's telling peopleLike leaving little nuggets,
Little nuggets that hey, if thishappens to me, yeah, you know,
maybe, but she wanted to getsome snacks for the choir prior
to that night's.
You know, practice Right.
And that's when she tells shedrops a couple nuggets there too
(14:38):
.
She talks about Clara.
She talks about, does she talk?
Amy (14:44):
about.
Garry (14:44):
Adam, at this point I'm not sure.
Amy (14:46):
But anyways I don't yeah.
Garry (14:47):
That's when they go and they have practice.
Amy (14:51):
Right For the choir, for the choir For the choir.
Right, right, right.
Garry (14:54):
Well, she's a trip.
That girl is a trip, debbie's atrip.
Amy (14:56):
She can't find her purse.
She missed, right, yeah, sothey're at the choir practice
and she misplaces her purse.
And Lance, who's another choirmember who we find out was in
prison because of a tattoo onhis arm that Emily recognized.
That's a long segue, yeah, andhe knew where her purse was,
which I thought was interestingbecause he pointed it right out
(15:19):
to her.
Garry (15:19):
So did, he do?
Amy (15:20):
something with her purse.
Garry (15:21):
We don't know.
We don't know.
Amy (15:30):
The suspect list is growing .
Garry (15:30):
And then they start to practice and she sprays herself
with her.
I guess it's a throat spraybecause she's seeing, I don't
know it's clear.
Amy (15:33):
Yeah, loosen up her throat and then she has an allergic
reaction because somebody lacedher spray with shocking honey,
bee, honey, honey, which theydon't know until later on.
Garry (15:46):
Right, right, right right .
Amy (15:47):
But so her throat starts to close up and she has an
allergic reaction.
They have to call 911.
Garry (15:52):
Because they can't find her EpiPen.
Amy (15:56):
Right, exactly, it's missing from her purse, which
she always has with her.
So the question is who did it?
Who took the EpiPen.
Who's trying to set her up?
It's not Brooke, so then, aftershe her up, it's not broke.
So then after she no, it's notbroke.
So then she this is where emilyfinally convinces sam yes,
something's going on becausethis is like the third attempt
(16:18):
on her life.
Allegedly she had the.
Garry (16:22):
The food poisoning poisoning the sleigh, the sleigh
, and then this, and then that.
Amy (16:27):
And then this allergic reaction.
Garry (16:29):
And why is it always happening to her?
Amy (16:32):
That's a good question.
That's what we don't know.
Garry (16:34):
Because we do find out she did inherit some money.
Right and she's the one that'sactually funding the.
Amy (16:39):
Bells, the Bells right, right, right, yeah.
Garry (16:42):
And I guess that's why Vera lets her get away with what
she lets her get away with, andVera is the choir director
Right, but Vera does itreluctantly.
Amy (16:52):
Like there's some contentious stuff going on
between Brooke, Debbie and Vera.
Garry (16:57):
Yes.
Amy (16:58):
And I think there's some point where Emily was like if
I'd known the politics would bethis good, I would have joined
the choir a long time ago orsomething like that Just to
enjoy it.
So Emily's kind of observingeveryone's interactions and
everything right.
So and then you find out thatAdam Clara's husband believed
she was murdered.
Yes, he never believed it wasan accident.
(17:20):
So that kind of adds fuel toEmily's fire.
Suspicion, Suspicion, yeah whenshe's trying to figure stuff out
.
You talked about Debbie funding.
Emily and Sam go to talk toAdam.
Garry (17:33):
Yes.
Amy (17:35):
And they oh wait, maybe we want to go back to that in a
minute.
Garry (17:39):
Yeah.
Amy (17:39):
Violet's key to the store goes missing.
Garry (17:41):
Yes.
Amy (17:42):
Violet has.
Emily gives her a key to lockup and trust her.
And all of a sudden, violet,who's a good kid responsible,
can't find her a key.
Well, I suspect it's.
Garry (17:54):
Who do you suspect?
Amy (17:55):
The boy who picked her up.
Garry (17:57):
Oh, you think so?
Yeah, I think Pete.
Is that his name?
Pete, pete, was it Pete?
Yeah, I think it's Pete.
Amy (18:03):
Yes, it's Pete.
So Violet's leaving the storeone night and her friend, or her
friend Nikki, and I guess it'sher brother.
Pete.
He's mad because he's got to gopick her up and she gets in the
back and I suspect the keymight be in the back of his car.
OK, and he probably finds it,and I think we're going to find
out, obviously in part two, butthat's what I think.
(18:24):
So the key is missing and she'sstressed out as a teen would be
because Emily trusts her.
She's lost the key.
Her dad knows something's upwith her, but she hasn't told
her dad yet.
Garry (18:35):
Right.
Amy (18:35):
So she's a little bit freaking out.
Yeah, a little bit.
Garry (18:39):
You know what's funny about that?
Because it reminds me when youfirst get that key to close up a
shop for the first time whenyou have a job.
Yeah, how many raise your hand?
Amy (18:51):
Yeah, I got my hand raised.
How many of?
Garry (18:53):
you sat there, locked it, unlocked it locked it again
shook the handle.
Made sure everything was lockedup, made sure the lights were
off.
Amy (19:01):
And that's kind of what she does.
She only has her to make sureshe can lock the door.
And she locks it like threetimes and pulls on the door.
It is because it's so muchresponsibility, you know.
I thought that, yeah, Iremember that too.
Garry (19:15):
Oh, I had a few keys.
Yeah, me too, and it was verynerve-wracking yes, it was but
fun yeah.
So her key um what else, whatelse, what else but you're going
back to adam, when he wastalking to emily, he also
because he suspect she.
He told her she was murderedand that they drove the bells,
drove her away.
Yes, but he told her why hesuspected because she was going
(19:39):
to do an audition, um, with astate.
Amy (19:42):
Uh, champion, champion choir, who won a lot of awards,
the only person she told wasDebbie.
Right.
But then the twist is we findout from Debbie that Adam had
come to her house drunk, askingher who his wife was having an
affair with.
Garry (19:58):
Yes, another nugget.
Amy (20:00):
If we believe that, If we believe that, but so that's what
Debbie tells Emily.
Garry (20:06):
Mm-hmm.
Amy (20:06):
Because, oh, and we forgot about Sam, talked to the other
town and found they suspectedDebbie.
Garry (20:14):
Yes, they have a file, so .
Amy (20:15):
Emily confronts and doesn't confront her but has an
opportunity to ask her somequestions about her car.
Garry (20:21):
Right.
Amy (20:22):
And where her car was.
And then that's when she tellsher about Adam.
Garry (20:27):
Right.
Amy (20:28):
Coming to her house drunk.
Garry (20:30):
Yes.
Amy (20:30):
Accusing his wife of having an affair and Debbie says
something like if it was with abell.
Garry (20:36):
she basically is like we would know if it was a bell and
she was not having an affairwith anyone, because you can't
keep secrets in a quiet.
Yeah.
Amy (20:41):
Yeah, so that was a pretty good yeah.
Garry (20:44):
But see, emily tried to get some info from her because
she was like so what towingservice did you use?
Yeah, Because you know, I havea friend whose car is broken
down.
They want to get rid of it andshe kind of oh I just left it
down at the end of the driveway,but that was after.
Amy (20:59):
Debbie said she just got rid of her car a couple months.
Garry (21:02):
Right, she just got rid of it Because it was too
expensive and cars are expensiveand the upkeep, and she just
didn't you know care how.
So you see how All these littlethings are pointing in her
direction.
You think it's?
Amy (21:10):
her.
It's not her, is it her?
Garry (21:12):
I don't know.
Amy (21:12):
Would she set herself up to have an allergic reaction?
Garry (21:17):
Well, what did Sam say?
You would do it to get the copsoff your train.
Amy (21:21):
Yeah, I mean I guess you would, but that's pretty serious
to do.
Garry (21:25):
To have a slay drop on you, yeah, yeah.
You got to be in the right time.
Amy (21:29):
I mean.
So Emily and Sam go to talk toAdam after they find out the
information about him beingdrunk and suspecting her,
because that gives Adam motivenow because he thought his wife
was having an affair.
So they go to talk to him.
He's not home.
And then they leave and theyfind his truck off the road.
Garry (21:48):
Yeah.
Amy (21:48):
Basically, and my question is when they were going to
Adam's house they didn't see thetruck.
Garry (21:54):
Right.
Amy (21:54):
Or the stuff on the road.
So did they go back a differentway, or are we?
Garry (21:57):
supposed to believe that that?
Amy (21:58):
happened in between.
Garry (22:01):
Yeah.
Amy (22:02):
I don't know.
I thought that was a weird.
Garry (22:04):
Yeah, that was kind of a weird thing, because they would
see it going.
Amy (22:06):
But are we supposed to think then that maybe he was
leaving or something happenedwhile they were at his house?
Right they kind of crossedpaths, I don't know right.
Right, I just thought that was.
Garry (22:15):
I thought he was going to be jumping out a window,
getting in a car and taking off.
That's what I had in mind butyeah, because they were driving
down the road because he wasn'thome and they saw boxes in the,
in the in the street, which werethe boxes that emily had given
to Adam earlier on that day toget rid of.
So, yes, his car was off in aditch off to the side, his phone
(22:40):
was on the seat front seat andthere was blood.
So we're not sure what's goingon there, right.
Amy (22:45):
We don't know where he is.
Garry (22:47):
Yeah.
Amy (22:47):
He's not there.
We don't know if he's stillalive.
Garry (22:49):
I presume he probably is Right.
Amy (22:52):
So that's a little bit of a mystery.
Garry (22:54):
A mystery.
Hence the mistletoe murders,murders.
Amy (22:59):
We find out, you know, I guess, a few last things.
We find out a little more aboutEmily, right.
She can program she runs theprogram.
She's a hacker, so the flashdrive that she used.
Garry (23:12):
That was given to her by Ray?
Amy (23:13):
Was that in the box?
Garry (23:14):
then, ray, that's what was in the box.
It was in the box.
Amy (23:16):
It was a flash drive that she could use so that she could
search the internet and not betraced.
Garry (23:22):
Right.
She developed a program.
It was an encrypted USB drivethat allowed her to search in
the shadows.
Amy (23:30):
In the shadows Without being caught On the dark web or
whatever it in the shadows.
In the shadows Without beingcaught On the dark web or
whatever.
It's kind of like a VPN.
Yeah, yeah.
Garry (23:35):
They won't know where you're at.
Amy (23:37):
Where you're at, because you're using it through
something else.
Right, right, right.
So she says the name Kimara.
Garry (23:44):
Kimara, I wrote that down .
Amy (23:45):
Still makes the hair on the back of her neck stand up.
So we don't know, I assumethat's the name of a company,
not a person, camira.
Garry (23:55):
Camira, maybe Something like that, yeah.
Amy (23:57):
She says something to June about grief.
Grief never really disappears.
It just becomes an ache youlearn to live with.
So you've got to wonder whatthat's about.
Who did she lose?
Is she talking about herparents?
A significant other?
Garry (24:09):
Well, she had that picture of I'm assuming it was
her with her parents, her family, right, right.
Amy (24:17):
And then she references the prison tattoo on Lance.
He's a member of the choir andshe says something like and I
would know not that.
Garry (24:23):
I'm sharing that story.
Amy (24:26):
So we get all these little tidbits and we just still don't
know her story, which is greatbecause it can still build and
develop over the next twoepisodes and next season, I
guess.
So, yeah, it's kind of it'skind of interesting because you
know you mentioned she.
Garry (24:42):
We find out that she's a programmer, she's this hacker,
she's got all these passportsand money and stuff and she's
got this like tough book.
The laptop is a tough book,right, which I wish I could get
that battery pack, because thatthing is never plugged in and it
stays on all the time she wasrunning that program in the
(25:02):
background, went and had a day.
Came back it was still going,so I'd love to have that battery
.
But I also find interesting thatRay kind of reminds me like
Inspector Gadget.
Well, you know how they gettheir gadgets before they get
he's the gadget guy.
Amy (25:14):
Yeah, he's the gadget guy.
He gets her the stuff, yeah.
Garry (25:17):
It'd be cool if he gives her something else later on in
another episode.
Amy (25:21):
That'd be pretty cool he probably does for her to use.
I liked I mean she had wetalked about it earlier her
one-liners in this one.
Oh my goodness, like when shejoins the choir, she's talking
to Sam and he's like did youjoin the choir because you know,
just to prove me wrong orwhatever?
And she's like would I lie toan officer of the law?
Garry (25:40):
I know, you know it's so funny.
Amy (25:41):
I mean she just, and the way she delivers them is so good
.
The way Sarah Drew, the actor,delivers them is so good.
And we talked about thepolitics.
If I knew choir politics werethis entertaining, I would have
joined a long time ago.
Yes, I know and then when shesaid Glee meets, Mean Girls
meets Friday the 13th with thatcrew about the choir.
I thought, that was so good.
I'm telling you.
(26:04):
That was a perfect explanationof choir.
And that's just girls ingeneral, I think Anytime you get
more than two, there's trouble.
Garry (26:11):
Yep, there's always trouble.
There's always trouble withgirls Double the trouble yeah.
Amy (26:15):
Who do you think did it?
What do you think?
Garry (26:18):
Well, everything's pointing to Debbie, you know.
Amy (26:23):
I know, but I don't want to .
I'm thinking no, for somereason.
I'm going to say if I had tochoose anybody.
Garry (26:29):
But again you get that they're showing you who the
murderer is and you're still notbelieving, or is it too obvious
because they're making it tooobvious?
So I would say I don't think itcould be Adam.
Amy (26:43):
I don't think it's.
I don't believe it's Adam.
Garry (26:44):
I don't believe Adam ran his wife over and the only other
person to me in the choir wouldbe Vera, because I don't think
the other ones.
Yeah, vera might be the onlyother one, I just don't see
anybody that sticks out.
Amy (26:58):
And why is Lance there?
We find out that Adam and Lancethey have a little argument.
And if he was in prison, wasAdam in prison at one time?
Because I'm thinking maybe Adamhired him to go and try to find
who the murderer was.
That's what I think, but Idon't know.
I mean, yeah, signs sort ofpoint to Debbie, but is it too
(27:20):
obvious?
Or is it obvious and they'reshowing you?
I mean I don't know my brain isall over the place.
Garry (27:25):
That's why I just don't know.
Those would be my two yeah,would be well, actually three
Vera, adam and Debbie.
Two would be yeah, would bewell, actually three vera, adam
and and yeah, because there's noother character?
Amy (27:37):
well, obviously, yeah, I don't think it's going to be
somebody we didn't.
Just, you know that they're notfocusing on.
I mean, maybe it could be, butwhat do I know?
I'm terrible at this.
I I'm terrible at the hunterkiller games.
Garry (27:47):
I like playing them, I like trying to figure it out,
but I am not although it couldbe, it might be vera it might be
vera because when that sledfell she kind of backed up a
little bit and then debbie cameout now debbie doing that solo.
Amy (28:01):
Oh my gosh oh yeah, that head shaking and because when
it's like if I because I can'tsing, and that's what I do I'll
shake my head, like I'm gettingthe words out by shaking my head
.
And there's Brooke who wants asolo and she can't get one.
So there's that you know youthink?
They're fighting over the solos, and Clara was their main
(28:22):
soloist.
Yes, the one who got hit by acar.
Garry (28:25):
the hit and run so there's that angle too, yeah too
, yeah, so and vera is worriedabout the christmas tree not
lighting up right and adam's theone that's doing the tree, so
well, that's yeah, so we got alot of things going on.
Amy (28:39):
Do you think that?
Garry (28:39):
tree is gonna fall on somebody I hope not.
Amy (28:42):
I don't know, we'll find out.
Garry (28:43):
Maybe, maybe I don't know it could be the final, the
final act, yeah I didn't thinkabout that, but maybe we'll go,
we're gonna find out, stay tunedstay tuned.
Amy (28:54):
What was your tinsel topped moment?
Garry (28:56):
of this episode.
I when emily broke out that usbshe put that in and the
narration of what she was doing,I was like, oh my god look at
this.
Amy (29:07):
That was pretty good.
This is my kind of person.
I know the hacker that she is.
Garry (29:11):
I was like yes, yep, what about you?
What was your?
Amy (29:15):
mine was.
There's a scene where emily andsam are in the car and sam
reluctantly asks her to help oh,because he's like could you
just?
And she's like, do you need myhelp, do you need to be a spy?
And he's like no, not a spy,just if you could, you know.
And she's like yes, and thenshe goes anyone in particular,
and then she says something likeplease say Brooke, it would.
(29:36):
It would explain so much.
You know, I think that's part ofthe narration.
I just thought that scene wasso cute and so fun Cause you
know, she's like dying.
She's already doing the legworkand he doesn't know that, but
she's dying to do it where heknows.
So to do it where he knows, sothey can talk about it and she
can get information from him.
So it was just I that's mytinsel top moment for the
(29:57):
episode.
That's awesome.
I thought that was cute.
Garry (29:58):
Yep, yep so, out of five ornaments, how many would you
give it?
Amy (30:02):
I'd give it a solid four.
I'd I'd hang four on the treefrom this.
Yeah, what about you?
Garry (30:06):
two, four, yep yeah, I really enjoyed this one yeah,
I'm actually liking this one.
I think a little bit betterthan the first one, oh okay, the
first murder.
The first murder, murder.
Yeah, I can't wait to see thepart two.
Amy (30:19):
All right, cool yeah.
Garry (30:20):
All right, so is that a wrap that?
Amy (30:21):
is a wrap.
Garry (30:23):
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