Hallmark's Signed, Sealed, Delivered From the Heart

Join Pour The Wine, It's Rom-Com Time as Garry and Amy explore Signed, Sealed, Delivered: From the Heart —a journey through time, love, and redemption, beginning with a Valentine from 1835. Oliver’s origin story also comes to light: a mailbox explosion that changed his path and led him to a life of delivering lost messages with purpose. At the same time, another undelivered letter reconnects former debate rivals Ryan and Maddie, whose young love was shattered by a devastating drunk driving incident. Now a governor, Ryan faces his past as the team helps reopen the door to forgiveness and healing. Meanwhile, Norman and Rita navigate a modern day relationship bump when privacy and social media collide. Pour yourself a glass, cozy up, and dive into masterful storytelling that connects past and present stories about love, forgiveness, and second chances. 

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Episode Transcript

Amy (00:08):
Welcome to Pour the Wine.
It's rom-com time where we'llsip some wine and review all
things rom-com on the Homerchannel.
I'm Amy.

Garry (00:14):
And.

Amy (00:14):
I'm Gary and I'm pouring.
Pouring yes.

Garry (00:20):
I'm going to get into it.
Oh my goodness.

Amy (00:23):
I think that's a Savion Blanc today, isn't it oh?

Garry (00:26):
switching it up.
I know I switched it up fromthe shop name.

Amy (00:30):
Well, it's still humid outside.
It cooled off a little bit, butit's humid enough to have some
white wine.

Garry (00:34):
That's Mother Nature going.

Amy (00:36):
Psych, psych, just kidding.
Maybe we'll get fall weatherone of these days.
Maybe.
Fall weather one of these days,maybe, maybe.
Well, today we're going to bereviewing Sign Seal Delivered
from the Heart that originallyaired on the Hallmark Channel on
February 21st 2016.

Garry (00:54):
Jeez and crackers.

Amy (00:56):
That's a long time ago.
That's a long time ago, almost10 years ago.
10 years ago.

Garry (01:01):
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Amy (01:18):
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sealed, delivered.

Garry (01:29):
Yes, all you postables.

Amy (01:31):
All you postables, anything , hallmark, really.
Yeah, we're fresh off ofChristmas in July.
Yep, we're heading into theholidays which we're really
excited about.
Can't believe it, I know.
So it's going to get busy.
It's going to get busy up inhere.
So, yeah, shoot us an email,let us know your thoughts and
we'll be happy to share it onthe pod maybe.

(01:52):
Yes, we will I mean if it'sappropriate.
Yeah, to share on the pod.

Garry (01:56):
Keep it kid friendly.

Amy (01:57):
Keep it kid friendly.
Yeah, so who's in this one oneall right in from the heart?
Of course we have the core four.
Of course, if you would like tohear more details about the
core four, you can go to ourreview of for christmas correct,
where we talked about theircredits, their acting credits

(02:19):
and their work in detail forhomework and off of homework.
Yeah, so, if you'd like to hearthem.
But of course, er Eric Mabeusreturns as Oliver O'Toole.
Kristen Booth plays ShaneMcInerney.
Look at me, I'm getting thatright.
Finally.
I know, crystal Lowe plays RitaHayworth, jeff Gustafson plays
Norman Dorman and also returningthis movie I almost said

(02:42):
episode Jill Morrison playsHazel.
Yes, the mail lady.

Garry (02:47):
I like Hazel the mail lady.

Amy (02:49):
What's her name?
Shane's mail.

Garry (02:51):
Yeah.

Amy (02:52):
Person Also in From the Heart are Nick Percha.
He plays young Ryan.
Prior to this he was in oneother Hallmark production, a
Garage Sale Mystery.
Guilty Until Proven Innocent.

Garry (03:08):
Ooh.

Amy (03:09):
Ooh.
A few of his dozen actingcredits include the series
Spooksville, where he was in 22episodes, and the Netflix movie
Dangerous Lies.
Yes, mackenzie Cardwell playsyoung Maddie For.

(03:30):
Hallmark, she was in oneepisode of when Calls the Heart
heart.
Some of her other work includesthe brand new apple tv plus
series smoke.
She's been in three episodes sofar.

Garry (03:35):
Isn't that what someone just recommended to you for us
to watch?

Amy (03:36):
yes, it was one of my co-workers who suggested that's
right, we'll have to check itout we're always telling each
other things to watch good showsyeah, because we have the same
taste.

Garry (03:44):
Yeah, we do.

Amy (03:45):
Okay, so Mackenzie was also in 13 episodes of the series
Upload and an episode ofSupernatural.
Austin ends in a nosy, sorry.

Garry (03:57):
Tongue twister A little up.

Amy (03:59):
He plays young Garrison.
His homework work includes afew Martha's Vineyard mysteries,
flip that Romance, a Rose forChristmas and the Convenient
Groom.
Some of his other gigs includethe latest Superman and Lois
series on the WB.
He was in that for 18 episodes.
He was in six episodes of theNetflix series the Order and he

(04:21):
was in one episode of Once Upona Time Ooh.

Garry (04:23):
Ooh.

Amy (04:24):
Ooh, arielle Tulio plays young Becca.
She was in two episodes ofChesapeake Shores for Hallmark
and my Favorite Wedding Okay.
Some of her other work includestwo episodes of Schmigadoon.

Garry (04:39):
Oh, there's that Schmigadoon again.
I had to say that again.

Amy (04:40):
That was in something else we reviewed recently, yeah, just
last week.
That's on Apple TV+.
She was in an episode of theChilling Adventures of Sabrina
and an episode of the GoodDoctor and one episode of Fringe
.
Fringe comes up frequently.
Yes, that's been coming up moreand more frequently.
Yep, aaron Craven playsGovernor Ryan.

(05:01):
He has been in several Hallmarkproductions, including the
Haley Dean Mysteries, killerSentence, easter Under Wraps,
harvest Love and an episode ofOne Calls the Heart.

Garry (05:12):
Just to name a few.
Just a few.

Amy (05:15):
Some of his other work includes two episodes of Family
Law.
He was in the Netflix seriesTravelers for three episodes.
Did you watch that?
Yes, I think you did the moviethe Age of Adeline.
That was a while ago and youguessed it an episode of Fringe.
Nope, there's another one,holly Elisa plays adult Maddie.
Her other hallmark workincludes the Christmas Train and

(05:38):
Love in Store.
A few of her other 40 actingcredits are an episode of Virgin
River, three episodes of Errorand an episode of Fringe.
Oh gosh.

Garry (05:51):
What they call each other and she was in Eureka.
I have a part for you on Fringe.
Yes, I do, let's go.

Amy (05:59):
Let's go.
Indeed, frank Oizia plays adultBecca.
She's been in several Hallmarkproductions, including Ribbon
Time, mystery 101, deadlyHistory, a Little Christmas
Charm, the Perfect Bride andWedding Bells.
Some of her other work includesthe Wedding Banquet.
She was in eight episodes ofGoosebumps, 12 episodes of the

(06:21):
Order, an episode of Travelers.
All right, and episode ofGirlfriend's Guide to Divorce
that comes up every now andagain, and an episode of Fringe.

Garry (06:32):
I'm beginning to be this whole cast right here.

Amy (06:36):
Candace Churchill plays the ICU nurse.
She has a ton of hallmark workin addition to a ton of acting
credits, so some of her hallmarkwork includes All Saints,
christmas.
Right in Front of Me AChristmas Tree Grows in Colorado
.
The Angel Tree Reunited atChristmas.
Christmas in Evergreen Lettersto Santa, an episode of

(06:58):
Chesapeake Shores.
And she was also a judge in oneepisode of Science.
Seal Delivered the Series.

Garry (07:06):
Pretty cool.

Amy (07:08):
Some of her other more than 100 acting credits, as I
mentioned, are two episodes ofso Help Me Todd, an episode of
Nancy Drew, two episodes of theGood Doctor and her very first
acting credit was on 21 JumpStreet for three episodes she's
been around for a minute.

Garry (07:25):
Back in the 80s.

Amy (07:26):
Emily Ullera plays Dale.
She's in this SSD movie, butshe played a different character
in an episode of the SSD TVseries.
She played present-day MarieMoore.
Do you remember?

Garry (07:38):
her yes.

Amy (07:39):
Yes, okay, Now she's Dale.
She's also going to be in thenext two SSD movies as Dale One
in a Million and Lost Withoutyou.

Garry (07:48):
So we're going to see her some more.
She's like Ramone.
She got many jobs.
She's like Ramone.

Amy (07:54):
She will be in the upcoming Hallmark movie Catch of the Day
, which will air as part ofHallmark's Summer Nights 2025
collection.

Garry (08:02):
And.

Amy (08:02):
I believe it's this month, in August, at the end of August.
She's been in several homeworkproductions.
Of course, retreat to you,don't Forget, I Love you.
Nature of Love, winter Castle.
And of course we know and loveher as Brie O'Brien, in which
she played for 55 episodes ofChesapeake Shores.

Garry (08:21):
Yes.

Amy (08:22):
Some of her other work includes Mormon Mom Gone Wrong,
the Ruby Frank Story.

Garry (08:27):
All right.

Amy (08:28):
Extracurricular and 31 episodes of Arctic Air.
Okay, Okay, Now Chris Gothierplays Serge.
That is Norman's cousin in thismovie and he was also in an
episode in the series.
He actually sadly passed awaylast year in 2024, suddenly and

(08:50):
unexpectedly, he did a ton ofHallmark work in addition to
this movie.
As I mentioned, he was in anepisode of the series and it
looks like he returns as adifferent character in another
SSD movie Home Again.

Garry (09:03):
Aww.

Amy (09:03):
So we'll see him again.
Some of his other Hallmark workincludes Miss christmas comes
to town, retreat to you threewise men and a baby, and he was
also in the christmas house, andthe christmas house too, which
we just watched.

Garry (09:17):
He was the magician or the marvelous yeah, marvelous,
yeah, but yeah, he was amagician and actually he was
Santa Claus or something.

Amy (09:26):
Right, well, yeah, he was.
He was magical.
He was also in an episode ofwhen calls the heart.
Now, outside of Hallmark.
He had over 100 acting credits.

Garry (09:36):
He had 108.

Amy (09:37):
Actually, he was in seven episodes of Joe Pickett, two
episodes of charmed, 14 episodesof Once Upon a Time, where he
played William Smee, and he wasin the movies Jack and Agent
Cody Banks.
All right, yeah, man.
Yeah.
He is a good character actor,though he was.

Garry (09:56):
He was really good.
I really enjoyed him in thisone Yep.

Amy (10:00):
All right, is it time to drop the synopsis?

Garry (10:03):
Okay, Oliver, Shane, Rita and Norman face personal
challenges following Valentine'sDay.

Amy (10:09):
Valentine's Day, and that's the synopsis.
That's the synopsis.
Well, that's brief, but ournotes are not.

Garry (10:16):
Yeah, so do you think we should give a disclaimer or
disclosure, or whatever theywant to call it?

Amy (10:24):
Sure, we'll probably give away some spoilers.
However, to be fair, it airedin 2016.
Yes.
So if you haven't seen it andyou don't want anything spoiled,
press pause, go watch it andthen come back to us.
But I feel very confident insaying that I can.
It be a spoiler if it's almost10 years later?

Garry (10:46):
No no.
Ok, all right.

Amy (10:50):
And if it is, you've been warned.
Gary said no, so that must beso.
Just kidding.

Garry (10:53):
All right, so what?

Amy (10:55):
did you think you want me to go first?

Garry (10:57):
Yes.

Amy (11:01):
All right, so I'll start with this.
I've had a bit of an obsessionwith Abraham Lincoln since I was
a kid.

Garry (11:07):
Yes, you have.
You know this right, I did many, many reports on him.

Amy (11:10):
I read books about him.
When Daniel Day-Lewis playedhim and Sally Field played Mary
Todd, I couldn't speak.
You know in the movie Lincolnand you know how I am when we go
to DC.

Garry (11:21):
Yeah, that's where you took me first.

Amy (11:22):
And we go to the Lincoln.

Garry (11:24):
Memorial.

Amy (11:25):
There's a moment of silence I might tear up.
So that's where I'm coming fromwith this right.
So, given that, and the factthat I'm already a sucker for
anything having to do with likethe 1800s and movies and series.
Just because I like it and Ithink it's cool and I love it, I
was totally sold, nothing elsehad to happen?
Yep, although a lot did happen.

Garry (11:46):
Yes, it did.

Amy (11:46):
Now, obviously, like every other SSD movie and the series,
there are many, many, many, manylayers to the storytelling
other than the Lincoln and the1800s part, and I am here for
all of it Me too, all of it, andI really didn't even know where
I was going to start today.
I know, I mean, I know I soundlike a broken record.

(12:07):
Can we still say that, by theway?

Garry (12:09):
I know Sound like a broken record.
You know they're making acomeback.

Amy (12:12):
Do the youngins get that reference anymore?

Garry (12:14):
Yeah, Not to sound like a digital file If it's scratched
it'll be Well.

Amy (12:18):
Yeah, I know people still get it.
I know a lot of people stillget it.
I know a lot of people stillget it.
Anywho, I know that I soundlike a broken record, but as we
take notes while we watch thesecond time around, we watch it
once to enjoy it and then we goback and we take notes.
I can't stop typing.
I know I want to talk abouteverything.

Garry (12:36):
Yep Scene by scene, I talked about this.

Amy (12:38):
after this one too, I'm like I cannot keep up.

Garry (12:41):
I agree with you 100%, because everything relates to
something else.

Amy (12:44):
that relates to something else, that relates to something
else and my mind is blown everymovie.

Garry (12:50):
What is going on?
So what is usually an hour and26 minutes of a movie ends up
being like two and a half hours.

Amy (12:58):
Because we stop, we have to take notes.
It's a whole thing with us.

Garry (13:01):
Yes, it is.

Amy (13:02):
I mean in a good way.
In a good way, there's alwaysso much that I want to talk
about.
So this movie has three letters, two of which are dead letters.
Yes, Right, we have young andadult versions of four different
characters.
We have three different timeframes present day, 15 years
prior and 1835.

Garry (13:19):
Yes.

Amy (13:20):
We have Valentine's Day shenanigans, we have romance.
We have Valentine's Dayshenanigans, we have romance, we
have heartbreak, we havecongenital heart issues, themes
of love, grief, forgiveness,miscommunication, social media
and, of course, the tragicconsequences of drunk driving.
Yes, I mean, that's all in thishour and 20 minutes.

Garry (13:37):
And very well done too.

Amy (13:38):
So these movies are just such an embarrassment of riches
of writing, acting, directing.
I mean there's so manyinterconnections.
I mean, as we were watching itI was thinking how am I going to
remember that I want to makesure to connect this to that and
that to that moment, and to dothat over there and put that
over here, because I want toremember it all, but I probably

(13:59):
won't.

Garry (14:00):
Did you dot your I and cross your T's to?

Amy (14:01):
To summarize I loved it.
How about you?

Garry (14:06):
Yes, I did, and it was so funny.

Amy (14:09):
What's your first impression, your first take?

Garry (14:11):
Well, I feel the same way and if you want to get into the
fate part of this right, fate,fate.

Amy (14:18):
Oh, okay, okay, I thought you said fake.
I was like we're not fake, what?

Garry (14:22):
are you talking about?
How funny is it that we'rewatching this?
It takes place back in 1835,.
Right.

Amy (14:29):
Well, part of it, part of it, yeah.

Garry (14:31):
And then Providence Falls 1844.
Crazy right.

Amy (14:36):
Yeah, we're watching a few different yeah yeah, we started.

Garry (14:40):
This has happened a couple times.

Amy (14:41):
Spoiler alert we're watching Providence Falls right
now.
Two episodes into that.

Garry (14:46):
I too was blown away about how many different
storylines were going on.
I mean, like you said, therewas three letters, there was
four like relationships going on.

Amy (15:01):
Yeah, I didn't even get into the yeah.

Garry (15:04):
And just the way it was shot Valentine's shenan into the
yeah, and just the way it wasshot shenanigans yeah, just the
way it was shot, especially theopening yeah, very cool, yes,
and the narration of it.

Amy (15:13):
Yes, man, I too loved it okay, spoiler alert okay I think
we all know how we're going torate this, but we'll just go
through the motions anyway.

Garry (15:24):
And I do have one scene.
Excuse me that.
I'm not sure if anybody elsepicked up on.

Amy (15:30):
Oh, like your willow tree.

Garry (15:32):
Yes, like my willow tree.
Okay, and remind me later andI'll talk about it.

Amy (15:39):
About your willow tree moment.
Yes, okay, your willow treemoment.

Garry (15:42):
Yes.

Amy (15:43):
Okay.

Garry (15:44):
And maybe I can kind of say what I think it meant, but
maybe not.
I don't know when we get there,we'll get there.

Amy (15:53):
Ooh, now I'm intrigued, okay.

Garry (15:54):
But I will say this Say it the character Maddie and Ryan
reminded me of Oliver and Shanein the way Maddie was always.
She did her research, she wasby the books, you know.
She told the truth, whereasRyan was fly by your seat, spur

(16:15):
of the moment, was a showman.
So that's what I got, you think.

Amy (16:21):
Oliver is fly by his seat.
No, I think Oliver is likeMaddie Maddie and.

Garry (16:23):
Shane is like Ryan.
You saying Oliver is likeMaddie, maddie and Shane is like
Ryan, or Ryan is like Shane.

Amy (16:29):
That probably is purposeful .
Yeah, I would have to believe.
Yeah, there's no accidents.

Garry (16:34):
Okay, in.

Amy (16:35):
Signed, Sealed, Delivered.

Garry (16:36):
I know, I know.
So do you want to get intofavorite scenes I?

Amy (16:40):
Your favorite scenes.
I mean, how long you got.
I don't know how long you got.

Garry (16:44):
I have a lot.
Probably won't talk about themall.

Amy (16:48):
I'm going to talk about all of them, okay.
So here's the thing If weforget something, it's not
because we didn't like it, it'sjust there's a lot and we try to
narrow it down some.
I mean, my notes and myoutlines for Signed, sealed,
delivered are always the longestout of anything else that we do

(17:08):
.
Providence Falls we've taken alot.
That's very intricate as well.

Garry (17:13):
Yes.

Amy (17:13):
So we've taken some notes on that, not as much as, but
it's been close.

Garry (17:17):
Right.

Amy (17:17):
But generally I do not have this many notes, I do not have
this many scenes that I love.
But if we forget one, it's notwe think the whole thing is
great, it's just hard to youknow extract.
Right, like I can't justextract one or two, or three, or
four or five scenes.

Garry (17:35):
Yes.

Amy (17:35):
Okay, so we'll just leave it at that.
All right, so you want to gofirst?
Sure, what's one of yourfavorites?

Garry (17:41):
I love the scene where Rita and Norman are trying to
well, norman is trying to get areservation to a restaurant.

Amy (17:52):
Yes, I have that too.

Garry (17:55):
Yes, and they're going back and forth.
Yes, but, Rita goes.
Oh, don't worry about it, I'llcook for you and Norman's.

Amy (18:02):
There's just a look on his face.
He's like oh, Remember thosecookies.
Yeah, those Christmas cookies.

Garry (18:09):
What did he say?
Do you like veal?

Amy (18:11):
Yeah, he said do you like?
How about veal?
Someone has a sale.

Garry (18:13):
Oh my God, it was so funny.
Yes, I had that too.

Amy (18:17):
But what's funny about that too is is that you know he's
trying to plan the dinner.
He's waited too long to makethe reservation.
And Shane walks in and Normanasks where they should go and
Shane's just like oh you canhave my reservations, because if
I had a boyfriend he would havemade reservations here.
But since I don't have aboyfriend, I'll be working at
the post office deliveringvalentines to other women's
boyfriends, you know.

Garry (18:38):
I know.

Amy (18:39):
That's why I had that as one of my favorite scenes too,
because she's like it's fine,I'm fine, everything's fine.

Garry (18:44):
It was so funny With that scene, that whole scene, yes,
and then Rita was trying to getNorman to leave so she could
talk to her.

Amy (18:52):
Yes.

Garry (18:52):
Which she does.

Amy (18:53):
Yeah.

Garry (18:54):
And the other funny part about that scene was she sounds
like Oliver now, you mean whenRita told her that yeah, yeah,
yeah, that was so um.

Amy (19:03):
Before that I had the beginning and you kind of
mentioned that that was one ofmy favorite scenes, the very
opening scene.
You don't know who it is.
Someone you presume from the1800s is writing a letter but
you don't know who it is rightand um, I just like the
narration.
You see that it's valentine'sday 1835, but you have no idea

(19:23):
how that's going to relate.
You think that's going to bethe dead letter.
You know, the only letter,right?
So I like that.
All right, so we can moveforward.
I just want to throw that inthere.

Garry (19:33):
That was a cool card, by the way, she made.

Amy (19:35):
Yes, it was very, that was very cool.

Garry (19:37):
Very cool.

Amy (19:45):
And it was like, was it the ?
First Valentine or somethingshe was talking about.

Garry (19:47):
Well, she said it.
She's heard that they're nowgoing to be doing valentine's
day, right, right, yeah, so,okay, yeah, hmm.
So another one of mine, whichis further on in the movie, is
when, norm, oh my god, he ripsthe heart off of the teddy bear
are you going to that partalready?

Amy (20:01):
okay, yeah, that was fine, I had to skip that, because that
was just fun.
You're dying to say that yeah,so they're at the.
Is that when they're at the?

Garry (20:07):
I think it's a hotel or something, or the hotel, yeah,
or no, they're Wait.

Amy (20:11):
Why can't I think?
Oh, they're at the hotel, right, Right Because they're trying
to find Maddie.
Right, or find the name Right,right, figure out who the name
is.
Yeah, right, so I had the wholescene with Rita finding out.

(20:32):
Now she's the fourth runner up,right.

Garry (20:35):
What are the?

Amy (20:36):
odds.
Very good if it's the possible.
So she's the fourth runner upin the Miss Special Delivery
pageant.
Yeah, everyone else above herhas dropped out for one reason
or another, and the reasons arefunny, you know like.
So.

Garry (20:51):
And the way Norman explains it.

Amy (20:52):
Explains it.
So the winner left the postoffice to star in Les Mis on
Broadway.
And remember she sang theImpossible Dream beautifully and
everybody was crying, we werecrying, everybody was crying,
right, so she left to go onBroadway and he goes.
She's the miserable one,because it's Les Mis like oh my
gosh.

Garry (21:12):
Norm is so funny.

Amy (21:14):
The first runner up is on tour with the hip hop group
Postal Mamas.

Garry (21:18):
Postal Mamas.

Amy (21:20):
The second runner up is really pregnant, like really
pregnant, and the third runnerup is in jail something to do
with counterfeit Elviscommemoratives runner-up is in
jail, something to do withcounterfeit elvis commemoratives
.
And I'm just like that isliterally the best writing, yes,
the most creative moment, likeI have forgotten about miss
special delivery.
And to put in the fact that nowshe's won it.

Garry (21:42):
She's like four deep and she wins it I'm telling you the
planets, stars, they all alignedfor her.

Amy (21:50):
First place?
No, second place is out, thirdplace is out.
Then get to her.
But anyway so that was anotherone of my favorite scenes.

Garry (21:57):
Yes, that was one of mine too.

Amy (21:59):
Okay, good.

Garry (22:01):
Another one is when Oliver talks to Shane about the
mailbox and what happened whenit blew up oh right, yes, I do
have that, we right and whenthey go to the mailbox grill
because he needs a yoo-hoo, yes,because he was empty, yes,
shane tells him.
Oh, I have the bartender, keepsome in in his refrigerator

(22:25):
right in cases like these and hesaid something about this is a
double fudge day and then he'slike pouring it in a glass and
then shane just takes the capoff and just chugs it from the
bottle.

Amy (22:37):
It was so funny, it was.
That was a good part.
But right before that he said,um, he was gonna tell her what
happened.
Yeah, that day and he goes toget a Yoo-Hoo in the DLO.

Garry (22:51):
Yes.

Amy (22:52):
And there isn't one.
And that's when he says we'reout and I can't do this, Yoo-Hoo
free, and I'm like only OliverOnly.

Garry (23:00):
Oliver.

Amy (23:01):
And then they go to the bar .
So that was funny that was.

Garry (23:03):
That was so hilarious.
I had that also.
I had that also.

Amy (23:05):
So that was so hilarious, I had that also.
I had that also, so another oneof mine would be I'm going
backwards again, no, that's fine.
Norma, norma.

Garry (23:19):
I didn't know.
There was a Norma.

Amy (23:20):
I combined Norman and Rita Normita.
I don't know.
Norman and Rita are withNorman's cousin again.

Garry (23:28):
Oh my gosh.

Amy (23:31):
Right, serge, serge, and he has a box at valentine's cards
and that whole scene, becausehe's taking a vow of silence yes
I'm just I can't with that.
It just was so funny.
So he's got a box of thevintage valentine's day cards.
It's his what his privatecollection that he got from a
pawn shop right and he's takingthis vow of silence.

(23:51):
So he has these little notecards and Norman and Rita are
reading them as he, you know,explains what he has and he
knows Norman's good at spreadingmail and stuff.
I thought that was so funny.
So he wants to give him thevintage Valentine's Day cards.
And then Norman says somethinglike you know, but these are

(24:11):
probably worth a lot of moneyand he's like I've taken a vow
of poverty.

Garry (24:14):
Yes.

Amy (24:15):
He has to say it, but it's just so funny anyway.

Garry (24:18):
Yeah.

Amy (24:19):
And then he has to speak actually at the end because he
doesn't have a card for it.

Garry (24:22):
For it.
Yes, what he wanted to say.

Amy (24:24):
So I loved that scene, I love that scene.
I love that scene and thatleads into another favorite
scene.

Garry (24:29):
All right, go ahead.

Amy (24:30):
Do you want me?

Garry (24:30):
to just do that one too, just dive right into it.

Amy (24:32):
So that's where, I guess, the surge leaves.

Garry (24:35):
Yes, right.

Amy (24:36):
And Norman wants to give Rita a kiss and he kind of
puckers up and closes his eyesand Rita picks up the card to
cover their faces because shewants to be private and this
plays into something thathappens later Right faces
because she wants to be privateand this plays into something
that happens later, right, right, right.
And he leans into kiss with hiseyes closed.
And that's when real Ritarealizes the card.

Garry (24:55):
Yes.

Amy (24:55):
Is what it is she's holding a really vintage card and he
doesn't get a kiss and he kindof opens his eyes Like what just
happened.

Garry (25:02):
What just?

Amy (25:02):
happened.
She didn't care what's going on, and then they focus on the
card the.
Valentine's Day card from 1835.
So I like that.
All right, yep.

Garry (25:10):
Yes, what about you?
I also like this.
I love when Oliver talks toNorman and kind of explains
things and they're walking onthis bridge and he's talking
about a boat, a boat for twopeople, and how these two people
love each other and thatthey're in the water and they're

(25:33):
flowing and they're going, andthen they come across some rocks
, the bumps in the road so tospeak.
Yeah, like a metaphor Right,yeah, and he always talks about
that type of thing.
But what's funny is thatparticular metaphor plays out
throughout the whole movie.

Amy (25:53):
Right, Bumps in the road, bumps in the road, rocks in the
way With each of the characters.
That's good to know.

Garry (26:02):
So it's Shane and Oliver, rita and Norman.
Yeah, ryan and Maddie, maddieyeah.
And then the person from the1800s, anne and Abe.

Amy (26:16):
Mr Abraham Lincoln Abe.
You can call him Abe.

Garry (26:19):
They all had those bumps in the road.

Amy (26:20):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Garry (26:22):
So I thought it was pretty good.

Amy (26:23):
That's a good analogy yeah, I didn't think about it like
that with all of them.
Yeah, but I should have known.

Garry (26:28):
The metaphor was there.

Amy (26:32):
The metaphor was there.
I love the song they playedwhile they were rollerblading,
which we'll get to as a cheer ina minute.
Yes, I don't want to talkunless you wanted to talk about
that here?
No, no no, I love that theyplayed this song while Maddie
and Ryan are rollerblading andthroughout that scene the song

(26:52):
is playing and you see them getcloser.

Garry (26:55):
Yes.

Amy (26:55):
Right.
They're getting closer andcloser.
They're smiling now when theysee each other, instead of being
like enemies.

Garry (27:01):
Right.

Amy (27:02):
It goes in between personal fun and the debates.
They're on the debate team.

Garry (27:06):
Yes.

Amy (27:06):
Right, I guess, which we didn't mention?
And then they're holding handsand debates.
They're on the debate team yes,I guess which which didn't
mention?
And then they're holding hands,and then they're sitting with
their skates off under a treeand then they kiss and um, the
song is brand new key by melanieand by melanie.
So, but we'll get more and I'llget more into that in 20 years
unless you have something.
But I just like that wholescene.
Right the song was perfect, ofcourse.

Garry (27:30):
Yeah.

Amy (27:31):
And I just, I really I really liked that scene, I
enjoyed it.

Garry (27:36):
Yeah.

Amy (27:36):
That was a good scene yeah.

Garry (27:39):
So was the the one with the dancing.
That was a good scene.

Amy (27:43):
Oh well, yeah, We'll get to that too, yeah.

Garry (27:48):
Do you have any?

Amy (27:48):
more I have.
I have a few more.

Garry (27:50):
I'm trying to look to see which ones I want to talk about
without giving it up.

Amy (27:55):
What do you mean without giving it up?
Well, my next one.
You already talked about it.
What?

Garry (28:01):
was that.

Amy (28:02):
When we find out what happened to lead Oliver to the
DLO.

Garry (28:08):
Right.

Amy (28:08):
Why does he end up?

Garry (28:10):
in the DLO.
We can yeah.

Amy (28:12):
Do you have that as one of your favorites?

Garry (28:14):
Yeah, it was one of mine.

Amy (28:15):
Yeah.

Garry (28:18):
So back in the day, 15 years ago, oliver was an actual
postal person who delivered mailor picked up mail.
His mail picked up mail, andthis was one of his stops, which
he loved to do, because acrossthe street it was a coffee shop
and there was this policeofficer, this female police
officer that I guess he had athing for back then, dale Dale.

(28:39):
And that particular day, whenhe walked up to the box to clean
it out, he looked over anddidn't see her.
So instead of cleaning the mailout of the mailbox, he walked
across the street to see if so,instead of cleaning the mail out
of the mailbox, he walkedacross the street to see if she
was actually inside of thecoffee shop no, he went to wait
for her or he went to wait andlook out the window.
Yeah, yeah which at that point aa van or a big truck with a

(29:03):
clown in it backs up and hitsthe mailbox, which which then
makes a I think it was helium orhelium yeah.
A helium tank in the back of theclown car or truck fall, and
you know what happens whenhelium hits the cold weather.
There was an explosion whichblew up the mailbox and the
letters went everywhere.

(29:23):
So Oliver is telling Shane thatevent led to him helping with
cleaning up all the letters andhe said these letters meant
something.
There was, you know, a birthdaycard, a bill, a letter to a

(29:44):
loved one, and it drove him toactually become the head of the
DLO.

Amy (29:51):
Right, Right.
And can you imagine like we'retalking about Oliver here and
how we know him?

Garry (29:56):
Yeah.

Amy (29:57):
And he felt like if he had just emptied that mailbox when
he was supposed to his normaltime.

Garry (30:04):
Right.

Amy (30:04):
That those letters would have been delivered on time.
Right Like they should havebeen.
Can you imagine how much thatbothered him as his character?
Yes, I mean oh good grief For15 years.
How guilty he felt.
He felt guilty and, like yousaid, he couldn't rest until he
made things right with thoseletters Right, so he didn't know
the one had gotten away.

Garry (30:22):
Right.

Amy (30:23):
That came back.
That has to do with thedebaters.

Garry (30:25):
Ryan and Maddie right.

Amy (30:28):
And so he volunteered to help recover them and, like you
said, he said he realized theyweren't just letters.
They were birthday cards, theywere a house payment, they were
an apology, you know, and hesaid when he finished, or when
he thought he was finished,that's when he realized he
didn't want to stop.

Garry (30:46):
Yep.

Amy (30:46):
So he applied to the death letter office.
And I think that's when youknow.
Shane says too but look at whatyou've done, what you've given
people by going to the DLO andyou know we need to leave the
past in the past, right, and Ithought that was and that's kind
of another theme, right throughthis whole thing so.

Garry (31:07):
Yep.

Amy (31:07):
Yeah, that's a good scene, that's a great scene.

Garry (31:11):
But that also has to it kind of runs parallel with the
with Ryan's character and whathappened to him, right?
Do you want to talk about that?

Amy (31:19):
I definitely want to talk about that.
Can we table that though?

Garry (31:22):
Yeah, let's table it, for maybe a different section.

Amy (31:23):
Okay yeah, okay yeah, we'll get back to that.

Garry (31:25):
This is what we were talking about.
When there's so much stuff, Iknow, I know.
There's so much stuff.

Amy (31:30):
I know, I know, all right.
So other scenes, other favoritescenes when Norman talks about

(31:51):
Lincoln, when he is talking toof his life, someone he was
allegedly engaged to, this iswhen he was in his 20s.

Garry (31:56):
Right.

Amy (31:57):
You know, before he was Abraham Lincoln the president,
the 16th president, so he's kindof and I like how Norman kind
of says you know, but you know,we know he saw her and you know
I'd like to think that he, youknow she told him because she
was dying.
Yes, she told him not to dwellon the past or blame himself for

(32:19):
what he couldn't change, andI'd like to think she told him
none of it mattered if he didn'tcarry on after she was gone.

Garry (32:26):
Yeah.

Amy (32:26):
And then he says and we know he did Right on after she
was gone.
Yeah.
And then he says and we know hedid right Because he went on to
great things.
So I just really, really likedthat scene.
And Norman just delivers thatIn scenes like that he is the
perfect character to deliversomething like that.
Perfect Because he's just sosweet and he's like yeah, you

(32:47):
know, and it just oh, he's justso sweet and he's like yeah, you
know, you know and it just, oh,I just love him.
I just I love them all, but he'sso good in those particular
type of moments.

Garry (32:58):
Although he was reminded, shane reminded him about God
works in mysterious ways,because he was like, if I only
would have cleaned out thoseyou're talking about oliver now.

Amy (33:09):
I was talking about norman, oh yeah sorry.

Garry (33:14):
No, but you're right.
No, but you're right.

Amy (33:16):
You're right, though, with the, the scene that you're
talking about, though, betweenshane and oliver.

Garry (33:22):
What you were just saying is she tells because he says um
if he would have only cleanedout those, this would have never
happened.

Amy (33:32):
Right.

Garry (33:33):
And Shane kind of said well, god works in mysterious
ways and maybe that was supposedto happen to get you where you
are today, right, right.
So she kind of threw it back onhim.
She says you always say Godworks in mysterious ways.
So you know, yeah that wasreally good.

Amy (33:52):
I love when you know Norman goes back to the DLO.
We haven't even really talkedabout the Rita Norman thing and
again that's something I have ina cheer, but when he goes back
to the DLO and Rita's there andshe totally pulls a love
actually moment with a sign.
I'm like stop it.

Garry (34:11):
Yes.
I can't take it and we justwatched that, not too long ago.

Amy (34:16):
Well, love, actually, hello , you know, top tier, you know,
and she's got the.

Garry (34:21):
You know the signs that she says with the sign, he
doesn't say something about.

Amy (34:25):
You know, when she was gone he was afraid she would forget
him or something.
And she's like wherever I go, Ialways carry you with me.
And I'm like, and then he says,I, I want you on my raft.
And she's like okay, but whatdoes that?

Garry (34:38):
mean?
What does that mean?

Amy (34:40):
there's that metaphor again , right and then they say I love
you to each other and then theykiss.
But that whole scene was socute.
When she's sitting in the chairand she does the love actually
thing and then you know he sayshe wants her on his raft.
And I'm like I'm out, I can'tanymore.

Garry (34:55):
And what's funny is that scene is after the scene, with
him talking to the nurse at thehospital, right, because she
wanted to know what the box was,right, and he explained to her
the Valentine, the Valentine,right.
And then I can't remember whatthe nurse said, but it was very,
very touching.

Amy (35:13):
So you're talking about like when?
So the nurse asks Norman aboutthe Valentine.
He's holding.
Yes, yes, yes yes, and after he, so he explains it to her.

Garry (35:21):
Right.

Amy (35:22):
You know, this could rewrite history.
This is a Valentine that wasallegedly.
I don't know if he tells her atthat point.
Yeah, he does, okay, okay, um.
And then she says one, becauseI wrote this quote down one day
you're spilling your heart outto your one and only, and then,
a couple centuries later, thewhole world is reading what was
only meant for the two of youwhat's happened?
To the world and go ahead.

Garry (35:45):
That's when norman realizes what, or why, rita said
what she said on the interviewthat her Shane and Oliver
watched, which was I don't havea boyfriend Right, so she's
being interviewed for MissSpecial.
Delivery right yeah.

Amy (36:03):
And they ask her about the kiss right Because she was
kissing Norman.
The scene that we talked abouta little earlier and someone
took a picture of them and waslike, oh, I got the first
picture of the new Miss SpecialDelivery or whatever you know,
and so then you fast forward andshe's being interviewed about
it right.
And then she says, you know,she's kind of like oh no, that

(36:26):
wasn't a kiss, that was.
I don't even know what she said.
And then they're like do youhave a boy?
She's like that wasn't myboyfriend, I don't have a
boyfriend.

Garry (36:33):
She's like.

Amy (36:33):
I have friends of mine and, of course, norman is crushed,
as you would be.

Garry (36:35):
I was crushed.

Amy (36:36):
But you find out.
She tries to explain to him wehave a special thing and I don't
want it out there for the world, like that's between you and I,
and he's to shout it from theworld to the world and it has to
do with social media andputting everything on social
media that you do every step youtake, and she didn't want to do
that.

(36:56):
It wasn't that she didn't wantto shout it, it was that wasn't
meant to be on social media.

Garry (37:00):
Right Really.

Amy (37:01):
And he was upset by that and his feelings were hurt.
But when the nurse says that,like, imagine there's something
that's supposed to be betweenthe two of you right and then, a
few centuries later, everybodyknows what was supposed to be
private like what is going onyeah, so that's a good point.
That was one of your favoritescenes that was good that was

(37:22):
good, yeah, and that explainedthe norman rita thing.
Yeah, yeah, um, the governorgoing to maddie's bedside and
finally reading his letter yes,that was a cheer for me.
He got his letter back.
Oh, okay, we'll go back to thatShane finally finding the
valentine from Oliver yes, so hehad a whole big
miscommunication about that Forthe whole movie.

(37:44):
For the whole movie right.
Shane and Oliver cannot telleach other they can't get
together.
You know, no, no.
So she finds the valentine.
He actually made a homemadevalentine.

Garry (37:59):
Yes.

Amy (37:59):
He cut out a heart and it is the best-looking heart she's
ever seen.

Garry (38:02):
Yes, you know you find out later.

Amy (38:04):
But you know, he postmarks the stamp and then he gives it
to Hazel to deliver, right, andit's kind of cute because
hazel's like why don't you justgive it to her?
And he's kind of like well,once it's postmarked it has to
be delivered.
You know, it's just so funny,it's so cute.
And then, of course, hazeldoesn't deliver it.

(38:24):
She gives it to rita, who'sgoing to be stopping by shane's
house and Rita has a box andthrows his Valentine and her
mother's Valentine into the box,gives the box to Shane.
Doesn't tell Shane.

Garry (38:38):
Nope.

Amy (38:39):
They're in the box.
Yeah, shane puts the box on theporch, goes inside her house
for a few hours, or is it thenext morning, I don't even know.

Garry (38:45):
A few hours later, or whatever.
A few hours later.

Amy (38:47):
She gets the box, she never looks in the box.
The box gets thrown awayeventually after a whole slew of
things In the meantime, oliverthinks she has opened it and
she's not addressing it.
She's ignoring it.
She doesn't want to go out withhim, she doesn't have a letter.
She's upset because she thinksOliver should have asked her out
and he obviously isn't going to, and so she's upset about that.

(39:08):
But they're both acting likethey're not upset with each
other and then you know hethinks she has a date.
She doesn't really have a date.
He lied, he said he's going tobe with a friend and he doesn't
really.
I mean, it's a whole thing.

Garry (39:19):
It's a whole thing.
That's a whole story.
It's crazy.

Amy (39:26):
Sorry, I didn't mean to go on that tangent, but it's like I
could do that with every singlecharacter.
Yes tangent, but it's like Icould do that with every single
character.
Yes, you know, it's just nuts.
And isn't there a scene where,um oh, I meant to write it down
where um, norman actuallyconfronts oliver, yes, and is
like you know, he doesn't sayI'm smarter than I.
Look, it's something else, Igotta find it real quick.

(39:47):
Oh, he says there's more thanme, that meets the eye.
I think you want to ask shaneout for dinner and I'm like, of
course there's more than me,that meets the eye.
I think you want to ask Shaneout for dinner and I'm like, of
course there's more to you thanmeets the eye.
Norman, it's just so cutebecause you know he knows those
things and he just chimes inwhen he needs to, that's.

Garry (40:00):
Norm given Oliver's Norman Norman.
I always say Norman Normangiven.

Amy (40:07):
Oliver, some advice.
Yeah, yeah, I thought that wasvery cool.

Garry (40:13):
Yes, oliver, oliver, some advice.
Yeah, yeah, I thought that wasvery cool.
Yes, that was very cool.
You got any other favorites,anne?

Amy (40:15):
Well, we talked about Shane finding the van and then, by
the way, Norman goes into thedumpster to get the box for
Shane, him and Shane.
And when he finds it and shereads it and he's just in there
smiling, smiling, he's so happythat she finally found it
smiling, smiling, he's so happythat she finally found it and
she was so happy and she tearedup and he just smiled and he

(40:36):
said look, it's handmade.

Garry (40:37):
Yeah, it means somebody cares, isn't it night?

Amy (40:38):
doesn't he say that again?

Garry (40:39):
it's nice to know somebody loves you yes, so
something like that again, yesthis, this movie so, which is
another reason why I like thebeginning, the opening scene,
because she's making the cardand then it fades out and into
Oliver making his card.
Yes, yes and that's the wholething about.
Look, it's handmade.
Somebody must've really caredabout somebody so.

Amy (41:00):
I thought that was cool, but that dumpster diving scene
when he came up with the littlehands was funny, was funny.
Little baby hands.

Garry (41:07):
Little baby hands I forgot about that.

Amy (41:08):
You're right, you know.
And then of course, I guess nowwe're at the dinner and the
dance between Shane and Oliverand Oliver she asked him why he
didn't just ask if she got theinvitation.
And he says a gentleman nevermakes assumptions about a lady's
affairs.

Garry (41:27):
I know and I was like.

Amy (41:28):
I want you to talk to me that way, A gentleman never
makes assumptions.

Garry (41:31):
I'm not that educated, I'm sorry.
I was like baby.
I love you.

Amy (41:37):
I'm sorry he says I'm old enough, old enough to know that
matters.
The heart can hurt more, orsomething like that yeah and
then she says like a punch inthe shoulder, because she had
given some example of a littleboy, a boy when she was young
when she got her firstvalentine's yeah, and then she
Valentine yeah, and then shepunched him in the shoulder or
something.

Garry (41:54):
No, he punched her in the shoulder.

Amy (41:57):
Oh, that's Oliver's story.
No, no, oh no.
The little boy punched Shane inthe shoulder.

Garry (42:01):
She said this kid came running up to me on the
playground and shoved it in myhand and punched me in the
shoulder.

Amy (42:06):
Did you notice something else in this scene?

Garry (42:09):
No, tell me something else in this scene.

Amy (42:12):
Uh, no, tell me.
So.
She says she's sorry and hesays I'm sorry too, shane, but
he called her shane again, whichhe doesn't do too often and I
was like, oh my gosh, yeah,called her shane again, and then
they dance.

Garry (42:32):
Yeah, and what was the song the violinists were playing
?

Amy (42:35):
The song was the Water is Wide.

Garry (42:37):
Yes.

Amy (42:37):
So they get up and they start to dance, and because he
says, doesn't he say somethinglike oh, in the Valentine it
said we haven't danced in awhile or something.
So it was so sweet.

Garry (42:48):
And that metaphor of the water.
Yes, I have that again in thechair.
All right, okay, all right.
So then wait.

Amy (42:55):
So my final scene, of course, is the end with the
narration of the abe letter.
It's it's ann yes reading the,we get the entire letter right,
I think and um, it's over the,so then she's narrating it and
they go back to the governortalking to Maddie in the
hospital room and then you goback to the DLO with Rita and

(43:16):
Norman who I think she had justdone the Love.
Actually thing right and thenback to 1835.
And I was like oh my gosh, I'mdone.

Garry (43:25):
Well, you know what's funny is?
I didn't think I was going tocry in this movie.
I know.
And then, I got to that and I'mlike starting to tear up and
I'm like something's in my eyeGosh.

Amy (43:34):
I'm telling you, I'm telling you.
Something's in my eye.
People, all right, all right,cheers.
This is going to be an hourlong, we're sorry.

Garry (43:43):
Yes, I just love how Ryan , as a young kid, he actually
turned himself in when hefigured out what he had done,
because during the debate hekind of had flashbacks of what
he'd done and he turned himselfin and as an adult, as the
governor, when Shane and Olivergo to deliver the letter to him

(44:03):
or tell him about the letter, hethen explains what happened and
he said it changed my wholelife.
And he said it changed my wholelife, which was during the
debate.
Maddie's partner, becca, hadtold Maddie about how he uses
people.
Well, that's how it started off, but he ended up falling in
love with her and then she toldhim she didn't want to see him

(44:26):
anymore.
You're talking about Ryan Rightand Ryan went off, had a drink,
got drunk, drove, hit and killeda homeless person.
But I loved when he was readingthat letter to Maddie when she
was in the hospital Right how,on the 23rd of each month, he
goes back to their tree his andMaddie's tree because that's
where he buried the ashes of.

Amy (44:48):
He spread the ashes, he spread the ashes of the homeless
person.
When he became of age, becausehe was underage when it happened
, right and it took two years toget the ashes because nobody
cleaned the person.
Right.

Garry (45:07):
But he told Maddie that he goes back and that's where he
feels forgiven and he sayssomething that you know he gave
me a second chance, but I nevergave him the chance.

Amy (45:15):
I took his chance away to change his life.

Garry (45:19):
Yeah, so that was a cheer for me?

Amy (45:20):
Yeah, because he said he had a second chance to change
his life and he took advantageof it.
Basically Hadn't had a drinksince Right, and he was underage
.
So the records were sealed andhe made his life—.

Garry (45:34):
Better.
Well changed his life, yeah,and it reminded me of how that
moment changed both Oliver'slife and his life.

Amy (45:47):
Yes, yeah, at that particular moment.
Yeah Well, sort of Right.
Yeah, well, sort of Right.

Garry (45:51):
Yeah.

Amy (45:52):
She never.
What's her name?
Never.
I'm sorry, maddie never got theletter.

Garry (45:57):
Right.

Amy (45:59):
Right, and he thought she just didn't want to see him
anymore because of what happenedand what was in the letter.
Right, he thought that and thenshe thought she never got the
letter.
She thought he just left herYep At the tree, they were
supposed to meet or whatever.

Garry (46:11):
So yeah, yep.
So what about you?

Amy (46:14):
You got your, you know, as always, just overall the
storytelling from start tofinish and everywhere in between
, of course there are always somany nuggets that relate back to
something else, so that'salways a big cheer for me in
these movies.
The Abraham Lincoln of it allyes, Of course, has to be a
cheer.
I love how that part of thestory was told and really woven

(46:36):
in throughout.
We get a smidgen at thebeginning.
Rita discovers the significanceof who and where you know that
Valentine is from and emphasizesit to Norman.
You cut to young Ryan and youngMaddie and they're having a
conversation and Ryan saysLincoln was a great debater.
Yes, you know, so it was wovenin there you know, and this
plays into their story about heneeds to research more and she

(46:59):
needs to lighten up more,because he says Lincoln was a
great debater and he won on morethan just stats.
It was his personality, it was.
You know, norman realizes themassive historical significance
of the Valentine and I mean itjust.
It was through the whole.
You know, and I've alreadydiscussed it, but Norman using
Abe visiting Anne as an example,and then of course, the final

(47:21):
reading of the letter, and youknow, you find out.
It's to Abraham Lincoln and it'sfrom Anne.

Garry (47:27):
Yeah, yeah, and the other significance is Anne dies of
typhoid.

Amy (47:32):
That's the whole point of the letter and you assume Maddie
, dies from her heart failure,right right, so that was sad.
Yeah, yeah, what else Any othercheers?

Garry (47:43):
My last cheer was that Norman puts the cigar box of
Valentine's up on a shelf.

Amy (47:52):
Yeah.

Garry (47:52):
So that no one else will be able to read it.
Read it.
Yeah, he puts it away.
I thought that was pretty cool.

Amy (48:00):
Well, that goes to what we talked about earlier a little
bit is the social media of itall.
And, rita and Norman, that wasanother cheer from me you know
there is a greater discussionabout and this is in 2016,
almost 10 years ago, and it'seven worse now.

Garry (48:15):
Right.

Amy (48:15):
Right, and you know we're on social media and we get it
and everything, but there is alot of information out there and
what is private anymore?

Garry (48:24):
Nothing.

Amy (48:24):
You know people put pictures.
I mean I'm guilty of it, youknow we're guilty of it, and so
I just thought it was a reallygood.
It would be a good thing towatch today for a lot of people
because she's right, some thingsyou want to keep private, you
know.
I mean we've had some thingsrelatively recently.
Positive things happen in ourand I think that Rita wants to

(48:55):
keep something special andNorman now realizes that I
really liked that.
That's a cheer for me.
I think that drinking anddriving was handled delicately
and somewhat discreetly.
You know, I hope people didn'tthink it was sort of swept under
the rug but, it was more aboutkind of you know, redemption and

(49:15):
having something awful happenin your life, you know.
You know the worst moment ofyour life doesn't necessarily
define you.

Garry (49:23):
Right.

Amy (49:24):
And you can take it and change Right, so I love that
story of that.
Did you have any more?

Garry (49:31):
before I go on no, I did not, because I'm just okay, the
Oliverisms as I'm calling itthroughout.

Amy (49:37):
I mean the things that he says, the quotes.
I need to start keeping a log.

Garry (49:41):
Yes.

Amy (49:41):
Of some of the things that he says.

Garry (49:45):
I agree, he's so clever and it's always like he reads it
word for word, like sometimes Ifeel like he's got the
photograph.

Amy (49:54):
yeah, yeah, like when, when norman, you know, was gonna go
to like a lecture on valentine'sday and he's like nothing, like
a little philatelic diversionyes you know, to take your mind
off your troubles.
You know, and it's just, it'sjust the things that he says.
I mean, there were so many inthis one.
You know, a gentleman mustnever forsake his morning
ablutions or whatever and I hadto look that up and that means

(50:16):
the act of washing oneself.
I know, but that's Oliver, youknow.

Garry (50:20):
And poor Norma was like, I'm sorry.

Amy (50:23):
Because he slept in the DLO right and he's like.
One must never forsake yourmorning ablutions.

Garry (50:29):
I was like what does that word mean?

Amy (50:32):
I just love those all the time.
And then let's see the debatesin each one.
Did you?
Notice what they were about.
One was about the legal age ofdrinking and whether or not to
change it and the other one wasabout homelessness.
Oh my gosh, you know what Imean.

Garry (50:48):
That was totally the movie.

Amy (50:51):
And then let's talk about the lyrics.
That may be the last thing.

Garry (50:54):
The lyrics of the songs.
No, because I got one thing too.
Oh, you do yes, Okay, do you?

Amy (50:57):
want me to do the lyrics first?

Garry (50:58):
Yes, you want that to be your last?
Go ahead and do the lyrics.

Amy (51:00):
All right, so we have the lyrics, the one song that played
, from 1971, which you couldkind of tell the beat and
everything, and it says I rodemy bicycle past your window last
night.
I roller skated to your door atdaylight.
It almost seems like you'reavoiding me.
I'm okay alone, but you've gotsomething, something I need.

(51:21):
Well, I've got a brand new pairof roller skates.
You've got a brand new key.
I think that we should gettogether and try them on to see.
And it was so appropriate forthat moment.
I mean, oh my gosh, and youknow what.
It also applied to what Shane,when she went by his window.
Oh, yes, you see, I was like, ohmy gosh, I roller skated to

(51:43):
your door at night.
I rode my bicycle past yourwindow.
I mean she ran to Oliver'shouse.
But, still, it applies.

Garry (51:50):
Yes, Well, that's how they do it in Sign Seal, Deliver
it goes to both and then.

Amy (51:58):
so then you have Ain't Misbehavin'.
That's what Oliver waslistening to right on
Valentine's evening.
He's got a glass of wine.
Hello cheers.

Garry (52:05):
He's reading a book which he was having a drink with his
friend, which was him.

Amy (52:08):
Him If one can't be friends with oneself that's another
thing he said.
So you've got Ain't Misbehavin'.
And those first lyrics are noone to talk with, all by myself.
No one to walk with, but I'mhappy on the shelf.
Ain't misbehavin'.
I'm saving my love for you.
I know for certain the one Ilove.
I'm through with flirtin' it'sjust you I'm thinking of.

(52:30):
Ain't misbehaving, I'm savingmy love for you, I mean.

Garry (52:35):
I know.

Amy (52:36):
Could you pick a better song for this?

Garry (52:38):
Talk about matters at the heart, hello.

Amy (52:40):
He's talking about Shane.
Obviously, you know that's whatthat's about, and he played
that.
I just Ugh.
And then, of course, the songthat they danced to, which you
and I talked about the water isWide and he says the lyrics to
that right.
That's from 1906.

Garry (52:55):
Mm-hmm.

Amy (52:56):
The water is wide, I cannot get over, and neither have I
wings to fly.
Give me a boat that can carrytwo, and both shall row my love
and I.

Garry (53:06):
Yep, there's that metaphor.

Amy (53:08):
I'm going to drop the mic on that one Boom.

Garry (53:10):
That's what I was talking about.
That there's that metaphor.
I'm going to drop the mic onthat one Boom.
That's what I was talking about.
That's it All right.
So let's roll around back tothe one thing that I saw.

Amy (53:15):
Yes, the one thing that you saw.

Garry (53:17):
So during the debates, prior to the debates, they flip
a coin and that gets to decidewho does the pro and who does
the con of the debate.
Okay, the second flip, the cointhat was used Lincoln Nope,
just kidding, I don't know SusanB Anthony oh, who was born in
1820 and was a friend or anassociate of Abraham Lincoln in

(53:42):
the 50s 1850s.

Amy (53:44):
Really.

Garry (53:45):
Yes.

Amy (53:46):
Oh, and she was very big on women's rights.

Garry (53:51):
Well, yeah, that I know that part I got.
When I caught it I was like, ohmy God, that's a Susan B
Anthony 1800s.

Amy (53:58):
That was in one of the.

Garry (53:59):
It was the second flip of the coin of one of the debates.

Amy (54:03):
Debates oh, I didn't even notice the flipping of the coin.

Garry (54:07):
It was a debate where Madison or Maddie put down the
cards and kind of did what Ryantold her to do?

Amy (54:14):
Oh, because he.

Garry (54:15):
And then Ryan picked up the cards and did what Maddie
told him to do.

Amy (54:17):
Right, it was that debate, because he was supposed to
research more and she needed tojust smile more and the camera
had focused right in on the coinand I'm like oh that's a Susan
B Anthony coin.
Oh, that's interesting.
Yes, it had to be on purposetoo.
You know it was.
Look at you, yeah.

Garry (54:33):
Look at you.
I find the little things, don'tI Gosh, I know.

Amy (54:36):
If we watched it again, we would find a lot more things, a
whole much more.
I think in all of them I thinkthat's true for all of them I
mean, look, this thing isrunning so long I know I'm sorry
, no, no, you did good.

Garry (54:51):
I'm telling you.
They hit it out of the parkagain.

Amy (54:54):
Yes, I agree.

Garry (54:56):
So is this a wrap?

Amy (54:58):
This is a wrap.
I'm going to just say I'm goingto give it five quarks.

Garry (55:01):
Yes, five quarks.

Amy (55:02):
Yes, I'm assuming, I'm giving it five too.
Okay, we don't even have to askat this point.

Garry (55:06):
I mean it's ridiculous even right now, but it's just
the way they oh my gosh, I know,I know.
I am just, I'm blown away.

Amy (55:18):
If we weren't reviewing and all these other things, we
would do them all in a row.
But, we're doing a lot of otherthings right now.
And we do work full time.
So we're trying to throw thesein when we can.

Garry (55:27):
But when we do, it's like oh my gosh, there's so much
when you think that it can't getany better.
And it does, and you're likeugh.
So, yes, everything that theywrite has to do with something
and it all comes back together.
Yep, so is that a wrap?
That's a wrap.
All right Well thanks for tuningin.
Well, thanks for tuning in.

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