June 16, 2025 • 40 mins
In this episode of Pour the Wine, It’s Rom-Com Time, Garry and Amy explore Signed, Sealed, Delivered: Truth Be Told. The POstables take a powerful journey in grief, hope, and healing as they deliver a letter from a soldier in Afghanistan to the daughter of a missing servicewoman. As if that weren’t enough, Oliver’s world is rocked by the sudden reappearance of his estranged father, bringing revelations that rewrite his past.
Whether you're discovering the POstables for the first time or have followed their journey from the beginning, pour a glass and join us as we unpack the symbolism, story arcs, and tear-jerking moments that make Truth Be Told unforgettable.
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Garry (01:28):
Right.
So today we're reviewing Signed, sealed, delivered.
Truth Be Told.
That originally aired onHallmark Movie and Mysteries
Channel on September 13th 2020or 2020.
Amy (01:39):
2020.
2015.
Almost 10 years ago, I know orno?
Yeah, almost 10 years ago, Iknow or no?
Yeah.
Almost 10 years ago, yeah.
Garry (01:46):
And you can watch it on Hallmark Plus Yay.
Amy (01:49):
Yay, you can watch it anytime there, I know, or get
the DVDs.
People still watch things onDVDs, yeah.
Garry (01:56):
You sure can.
Amy (01:56):
This would be worth your money.
Garry (01:58):
Yes, it would be.
Amy (01:59):
For sure.
Garry (02:00):
So who's in this one?
Amy (02:02):
Well returning.
In Science Hill Delivered,truth Be Told are the core four
the Postables.
Eric Mabeus plays OliverO'Toole.
Kristen Booth plays ShaneMcInerney.
Look, I did it you did it.
I had a hard time with her lastname.
Yay, cheers to that.
Crystal Lowe plays RitaHayworth, jeff Gustafson plays
Norman Dorman and also returningis Gregory Harrison.
(02:27):
He returns as Joe O'Toole.
You can go to our podcastreview of To the Moon and Back,
where we go into detail aboutthe work of each of those actors
.
Garry (02:38):
Yes, you can.
Yep, Check it out, get thedetails.
Amy (02:41):
So today we're going to be adding a little more detail
about people who are in thisparticular movie who have not
been in previous movies or theseries Correct Right Yep, megan
Carpenter plays Phoebe Amidon.
I think that's how theypronounce it yes.
It looks like this was herHallmark premiere.
(03:01):
She is also in Science SealDelivered, the Impossible Dream,
which I believe is the next onein the canon.
We are watching them in order.
Garry (03:10):
Yes, we are.
Amy (03:11):
And she was also in Operation Christmas in 2016.
Some of her other work includesSight Unseen one episode in
2024,.
The TV series Sea, one episodein 2019, and Fringe one episode
in 2009.
Fringe in one episode in 2009like me some friend william b
davis plays harper.
I believe his hallmark work isthis film and the next one the
(03:33):
impossible dream.
So I didn't know they returneduntil I started doing a little
research.
So that's, that's pretty coolit is he's done a ton of work.
This actor has a lot of work,beginning in 1983.
More recently, he was in the tvseries upload 15 episodes
between 2020 and 2023 thechilling adventures of sabrina,
(03:55):
which we love.
Two episodes in 2019 continuumwhich you really loved 15
episodes between 2012 and 2015,and but he's probably best known
as smoking man in 43 episodesof the x-files from 1993 to 2018
.
Oh boy, okay that was prettygood that wasn't bad, oh boy,
(04:21):
okay, I didn't watch x-Fileswhen it was on originally.
Garry (04:25):
Oh, I loved.
Amy (04:25):
X-Files, but we watched it when it came back for a few
seasons more recently.
Garry (04:31):
I guess, and the movie, but I didn't watch it originally
Robert Maloney plays CaptainMarkham for Hallmark.
Amy (04:39):
He was in two of the Cherry Lane movies Christmas on Cherry
Lane, 2023 and 2024.
He was in Mystery 101, playingDad in 2019, morning Show
Mysteries, countdown to Murderin 2019, and While you Were
Dating in 2017.
Some of his other work includesthis TV series Tracker one
episode in 2024.
(05:00):
Riverdale three episodesbetween 2019 and 2021.
Girlfriend's Guide to Divorce,which we loved.
Yes, we did One episode in 2015.
And he, too, was in the X-FilesTwo episodes between 1995 and
1997.
Wow, Jill Morrison plays Hazelthe male carrier.
(05:21):
I haven't even had a sip yet.
She plays Hazel the male.
I haven't even had a sip yet.
She plays Hazel the malecarrier.
She's been in several Hallmarkproductions, including Wedding
Season in 2023, A Second Chanceat Love in 2022, Marrying Father
Christmas in 2018, and she isin four more signed, sealed,
delivered movies, which is kindof fun because I loved her.
Garry (05:41):
I loved her she was cute.
Amy (05:43):
Her other work includes Murder in a Small Town.
One episode in 2024, a MillionLittle Things one episode in
2021.
And her first acting credit wasthe movie, the cult classic
Mean Girls in 2004.
Garry (05:58):
That's so fetch, yes, if you know, you know, you know.
Amy (06:03):
So there you go, all right.
So that's who's in it.
Garry (06:04):
That's know, you know, you know.
So there you go, all right, sothat's who's in it, that's who's
in it.
So you ready for some Hallmarktrivia?
Amy (06:10):
Lay it on me.
Okay, lay it on me, let's getthrough this.
Garry (06:12):
Let's get through it.
Which Hallmark original filmfeatures a time-traveling
typewriter?
Typewriter yeah, I know, that'swhat I said.
Amy (06:23):
Tire rider.
I was not expecting that, butokay, I have no idea.
Garry (06:27):
Hey look, it has its own suitcase.
Amy (06:29):
Oh huh, we're here.
All night, it was the movie theLove Letter.
I don't know that one.
Garry (06:37):
Me either.
Amy (06:38):
Okay, maybe we'll have to look it up.
Do you know what year?
Garry (06:41):
No, I do not Fail.
It was an epic fail, wasn't itsorry?
Amy (06:46):
all right, we'll look that up, we'll look it up is it time
to drop the synopsis?
Garry (06:54):
it's time to drop this synopsis.
Amy (06:56):
All right, here we go with the synopsis.
The postables are on a missionto deliver a soldier's letter
from Afghanistan to a teenagerwho's being relentlessly bullied
, while Oliver's estrangedfather surprises him with news
that shakes him to his core.
Garry (07:13):
Okay.
So All right, I'm going to giveyou the first take on this one.
Amy (07:18):
Ooh, we had big feelings on this one, didn't we?
Garry (07:20):
Yeah.
Amy (07:21):
I think I got a little emotional in some of these
scenes I think we both did in afew Yep, yep.
Garry (07:25):
Yeah, so what did you think?
Amy (07:28):
Well, I feel like every time we watch one of these
movies and this is only thethird one outside of the pilot
After the series, the pilot andthe series Right right, right
and I just feel like they reallybrilliantly navigate the
parallel between the story andthe people.
Behind the letter and thepostables lives.
So, they really tell all ofthese stories at one time, but
(07:51):
they weave them so well and thismovie was no exception.
I loved it.
Shocking, right.
We we try not to talk about themovie as it's.
I mean, we laugh out loudsometimes if there are funny
parts and we kind of go, oh,that's cool or something, but we
really try not to talk about it.
But there were some.
(08:11):
After this one ended, we werelike okay, I just have to say
this.
I just have to say this Becausewe try to save it for the
podcast, right, but this one wasjust so, so good.
It's just, it's nuts.
How many layers of storytellingthey can pack in one movie.
Garry (08:26):
How many emotions can they pack?
And?
Amy (08:28):
emotions.
Yeah, in this one you have themystery of the letter.
Of course you have Rita andNorman trying to figure out what
to do now after the kiss aftertheir kiss.
You have Oliver and Shane'srelationship growth.
You have Oliver and Joe.
You have Oliver.
Joe and Oliver's biological dad, yes, and you have Oliver
learning more about his mom.
(08:48):
Yes, you have Norman.
We learn more about Norman.
I mean, there's so much growthin this.
My mind is like I know.
On fire right now my brain.
Garry (08:57):
My emotions were everywhere.
Amy (08:58):
I know, I know and I also love how they don't shy away
from faith and religion.
Nope, right.
So in this one, you know, godis mentioned.
Garry (09:08):
Yeah.
Amy (09:09):
Oliver goes to the church at one point to contemplate,
because he needs to go back towhere things he needs to rewind
when he goes.
Yeah, to contemplate, and Ilove that they weave it into the
storyline in such a way thatit's not pushy or preachy.
Garry (09:23):
Yes.
Amy (09:29):
But it's a realistic look at how it's the compass and
comfort of so many people andhow religion and faith really
guide their lives.
Yeah, and I just love the waythey do that.
What about you.
I have a little bit more aboutmy first impression, but I'll
let you go before I babble on.
Garry (09:41):
I have to say homework's three for three, Three for three
.
I have to say Hallmark's threefor three.
Amy (09:44):
Three for three.
Garry (09:46):
I mean, you know, you said in the last podcast that
Oliver just with his facialexpressions can make you cry.
Yes, he damn sure did.
But I'm going to also sayNorman in this one yes, damn,
made me tear up.
I'm telling you In a couple ofof scenes which we'll get to,
(10:07):
but I mean, I can't take it, Iknow and like you were saying
that there were so many likestories going on, you know, I
just I was like man, I don'tknow if I could take this
anymore.
You kept looking over at me andI know there was like some
tears coming down.
Amy (10:24):
I was like oh, my god, I can't take this.
Garry (10:26):
I know, oh gosh, yes, and I love the uh introduction of
hazel.
I thought yes, that was so goodit's like when you're way up
here with the emotion, she comesin and she brings you right
back down to earth and you'rekind of like, okay, I'm happy
again.
And then they punch you in theface again with the emotion so I
I really really enjoyed thismovie.
Amy (10:47):
Right.
Garry (10:48):
And I got at the end of our podcast.
I want to talk about something.
Podcast, podcast.
I have something, our podcast,and I don't know if whoever's
listening to Postables, if youcaught this, but I do want to
talk about it because I thoughtit was interesting.
Amy (11:05):
Are we talking about it now or are you waiting?
No, we're going to wait to theend.
Oh, ok, that's like a teaser.
Garry (11:10):
That's like.
I call it an interesting catch.
Amy (11:13):
OK, gotcha.
Garry (11:15):
Yes, so favorites.
Oh, no wait, no wait, Go ahead.
Amy (11:19):
I just want to say one more thing, and of course course
this will probably make it alittle bit longer.
I like that the movies pick up.
You know, so far anyway, thatwe've seen where the last ones
left off like it's the next dayand it got me thinking.
I wondered why.
Because we didn't watch it whenit aired no, 10 years ago right
and and forward.
Um, we just started watching itin the last few months actually.
(11:40):
So I wasn't sure why they didthat, why they moved away from
the series, which I'm assumingdidn't you know, I assume didn't
do that great.
Um, but now they they've movedto the movie format.
So I was intrigued about whythey did that.
So I found an interview withmartha williamson, okay who
writes the movies, possiblyco-write some of them.
(12:01):
People will correct me if I'mwrong.
She did an interview in 2015with Nell Minow, who's known as
movie mom, and I will put thelink to the interview in the
show notes or in the episodenotes, so that people can go
read it.
But Martha said and this is aquote from Martha I'm loving
this because we have essentiallya whole new story Now.
(12:23):
We were doing this series thatwas originally going to be about
dead letters being deliveredlate, but the life of this
quirky little group just took onmore of a role.
People embraced them so muchand just fell in love with the
two little love stories betweenOliver and Shane and Rita and
Norman and wanted more of thebackstories of these folks and
their lives.
And then she goes on to saythese people are postal
(12:45):
detectives, which which actuallyexist.
But they really became thislittle family and so I found
that we needed extra time andhallmark really wanted us to go
to the movies and mysterieschannel right it is turning out
to be very gratifying, so Ithought that that was just.
That was just really that makessense, really interesting.
Yeah, yeah, I thought that wascool and, like I said, we'll
(13:08):
post the link to the article.
She talks a lot more about thecharacters and things and, um,
it's just really really good,yeah, yeah.
Garry (13:17):
So there you go all right a little tidbit for my own
curiosity well, you want to talkabout some favorite scenes?
Amy (13:23):
sure, let's it.
Why don't you do a favoritescene first?
Garry (13:27):
When Norman asked Oliver to go on a walk.
Amy (13:31):
Yes, stop it.
Are you going to tear up rightnow?
Stop it.
Garry (13:38):
I love Norman man.
I know he is just that guy whojust I know he takes life.
Whatever life gives him, hetakes it and he smiles.
Yes, he doesn't complain, andwhen he tells his backstories
it's just like you just feel forthis guy.
Amy (13:56):
Well, he gives little nuggets of what he's picked up
throughout his life in fostercare.
And you see it on his face andwhen he compares, he's able to
relate so much to so many of theother characters because of his
experience.
Garry (14:13):
And what was funny is, as they were walking, he's telling
Oliver what happened with thekiss.
Amy (14:21):
Right, right right.
Garry (14:22):
And she had said I love you.
And Oliver said well, what didyou say back?
And he's like I didn't sayanything.
Amy (14:30):
Oliver's.
Like what Oliver's?
Garry (14:32):
shaking his head like oh my gosh, I mean, how many more
clues you got to give Right,right.
Amy (14:37):
Here's your sign.
Garry (14:38):
But then he says he kissed her.
And then the one part when he'ssaying you know we're moving so
fast he goes.
I have a five-year plan.
He said, as fast as we'removing, we'll be married by.
Amy (14:51):
Thursday.
I know that was funny.
It was so cute.
Garry (14:53):
That's so Norman I know that is so, norman and you know
about him.
Amy (14:58):
We just watched they were reshowing what is it?
Three Wise Men and a Baby,Uh-huh.
And Jeff Gustafson is in thatone.
Yeah, and he's a completelydifferent character.
I know, I know, and so youreally see his acting chops
there and how well he playsNorman.
Garry (15:16):
Yes.
Amy (15:17):
Because we saw him, you know, in a completely different.
Garry (15:20):
He was kind of strict.
Yeah, he was the boss of them.
Amy (15:22):
Yeah, so it was just really interesting.
Garry (15:25):
So what was one of your scenes?
Amy (15:27):
Well, this podcast would be hours long if I went over every
scene, because I want to talkabout everything in detail, but
I won't.
Garry (15:32):
We don't have enough time .
Amy (15:33):
And it goes back to Norman, the way Norman looks at the
trainee when she just casuallypicks up that dead letter, Cause
you know Oliver's talking tothe trainees at the beginning
and she's just like like thisone and he is almost like oh
like it's sacrilegious.
Yes, his face, like you weretalking about earlier.
The facial expressions yes, thefacial expressions.
(15:54):
So that was one that I loved.
You just brought it up.
The telling of the story of thekiss Norman is telling Oliver
and Rita is telling Shane, andthey go back and forth between
the two.
Garry (16:08):
Yes, which was really, really, and they're in different
locations.
Amy (16:10):
They're at the same time but different places.
And then Oliver and Shane givetheir feedback too, and they're
kind of it's just.
It reminded me of Greece.
Garry (16:19):
Yes.
Amy (16:19):
Summer Lovin' is what came to my mind.
That's a good analogy I thoughtI just, oh my gosh.
I thought that was so good.
I just love the way that playedout.
Garry (16:29):
It was just so well written yeah, yeah, because in
that scene too uh norman hadtalked about well, what do I do?
Do I do?
Amy (16:37):
I buy furniture do I buy furniture right and then?
Garry (16:42):
oliver goes, don't you think it's a little early to buy
furniture?
Amy (16:45):
And then it dawns on him that he bought.
Garry (16:48):
Shane the porch swing.
Yeah, and he's like that wholescene.
Amy (16:53):
Oh my gosh, yes, that was Yep, yep, that worked Definitely
.
I love the scene when Oliverand Shane are on the porch swing
and the mail carrier comes up.
And what I love about you knowthe mail carrier?
It just reminds me, I mean, Iknow we get some mail now, but I
know it's kind of, you know,people don't get as much mail.
They don't mail personalletters.
(17:14):
I mean people get packages andstuff.
But I love, even before thisscene, the mail carrier is kind
of like here's a letter fromyour brother, here's a letter
from your.
You know like she's goingthrough it and you know mail
carriers did that, you know.
Just I don't know it justcracked me up but in that scene
where they're on the porch,she's like is that steve?
Yeah, I thought that becauseshe's she knows so much about,
about, um oliver no, no, no, no,no, shane she knows so much
(17:38):
about shane.
They escaped me for a minute.
So she gives her her mail andthen she's like oh, here's a
package from your mom, you knowoh, yeah, oh.
Garry (17:47):
And she said and here's something from your insurance.
Amy (17:50):
It's just so funny to me, you know, and then, and then
that of course that scene leadsinto the discussion between
Oliver and Shane about Oliver'sdad.
Garry (18:01):
Right.
Amy (18:02):
Right, they get into more, so he's really opening up to
Shane and so that whole scenereally worked.
Yeah, it did For me and I hadthat too, as one of my favorites
.
Garry (18:11):
You did when they were on the porch.
And you get that backstoryabout what happened to Oliver
and, of course, them eyes whenhe was talking about how his dad
didn't leave a forwardingaddress, yeah, and then it's not
until later on that you findout that he actually did Right.
Amy (18:30):
And it was actually his mom who did it.
Garry (18:32):
But at the point, you're thinking oh man, joe, a tool.
What is wrong with you?
Amy (18:35):
He's a tool.
He's a real tool.
What does?
Garry (18:37):
he do.
Come on, joe, what are youdoing this poor kid?
Yeah, he just wants to know hismom, right?
I also loved the flashbacksthat Oliver was giving when he
was at the park, when he was alittle kid, on the slide you
(18:57):
weren't sure where that wasgoing until the end, when him
and Joe were talking and heexplained and at first he was
saying Oliver was saying no, Idon't remember that, right, he
didn't want to admit, he didn'twant.
I don't remember that Right.
He didn't want to admit that he—he didn't want to admit what
was going on, right, so that wasanother one of my favorites.
Amy (19:14):
Right, that was a great—yeah.
Garry (19:16):
I agree, you got another one.
I have a few, oh you got a few,Not too many just a couple more
.
Amy (19:28):
So when Shane is still at the DLO and oliver calls her out
, he's like I know you're stillhere, yeah, this is like towards
the end.
And she talks about his faithbeing far greater than being an
o'toole.
It's after oliver has found outthat his dad isn't his
biological dad.
He actually had a differentbiological dad and it's the man
that ran off with his mom.
Um, and I just thought he says,or she said, I want to walk
over to you and put my armsaround you and tell you
(19:50):
everything is going to be okay.
And what does she say?
Something like but I know youdon't right want that, or
whatever.
Then he says since when doeswhat I want ever stop you?
and I just thought, that was itwas funny and sweet at the same
time.
And then she goes and gives hima hug and you're like you're
tearing up, you, you know,because it's like I'm telling
you, yeah, the tissue box,because it's really what he
(20:12):
wants, but he won't admit it.
He kind of words wordsmiths hisway around it, Yep.
Garry (20:17):
He sure does he?
Amy (20:18):
says what he wants but you know.
Garry (20:23):
Right, right yeah because she's really good at getting
him to open up.
Amy (20:29):
Right right.
Garry (20:30):
And he kind of does the same thing to her.
They're both yeah for eachother.
Amy (20:34):
That's what they do, and you just learn more and more
information about each one.
I love the fire pit scenebetween Oliver and Joe his dad.
That was just really again hisfacial expressions during that.
Garry (20:48):
What were you going to say?
And he drinks a beer.
Amy (20:51):
I know, does he have a sip?
Yes, he has one sip, he has onesip.
Garry (20:55):
I sat there and watched and I was like he's not going to
sip.
That is he.
He's going to go back to hisyoo-hoos.
Amy (21:00):
He and Joe are sitting around the fire pit at the place
that Joe bought or rented orwhatever, and that's how he gets
to Colorado right.
Garry (21:10):
To Denver.
Yeah, because he talks to Joeand he's like you know, I don't
even know who I am and he goessure you do.
You're the sum of all thechoices that you've made.
Yes, I thought that was so good.
I think I wrote that somewhere.
Yes, that was brilliant.
Amy (21:27):
You're the sum of all the decisions that you've made.
You are who you are basically.
It doesn't change who you are.
Garry (21:36):
Yeah, that was really good and powerful, which now
makes sense after watching Tothe Moon and Back To the Moon
and Back Right.
Right, I'm glad because of theletters that he had.
Amy (21:50):
The that he had, yes, the stack of letters.
So that was so.
There's a stack of letters thatjoe has that he tried to send
to oliver, because oliver's,like you, haven't been in my
life.
Yeah, you know and he's likebut I sent you all these letters
all these years, but you returnthem yeah, return to sender and
, and shane calls him out onthat too when this one yeah were
.
Garry (22:05):
They had just come off the porch and Oliver turns to
her and Shane is trying toexplain to him.
Give him a call.
He wants to talk to you.
And he's like well, he hasn'tbeen in my life.
And she's like you're, you know, you're the one that shut him
out.
Amy (22:19):
Yeah, she does say that.
Well, I don't know.
Garry (22:23):
There was a part where she says that in that scene she
says that into the moon and backright about the letters but she
says it, I think, again in thisone but she does say you're the
one who shut him out he didn'tshut you off yeah something like
that yeah yeah, that was ohyeah, no, there was so many
scenes, so I really liked.
Amy (22:42):
So do you have any more scenes?
I have one more go ahead, thelook between shane and oliver at
the end, the way they just lookat each other.
And then Joe notices and helooks between them.
Oh so good.
Yes, so so good.
Give Eric Mabeus an Emmy rightnow, if you haven't given him
(23:03):
one him one.
Garry (23:13):
All right.
How about this scene where umnorman tells they find out that
there was sand involved in theletter, right, right.
So norman goes right, I have acousin, and then she, and
hollifer is like you haveanother cousin yeah, that was
funny.
What did he say?
Something about sand thehandyman, or something,
Something yeah.
And then he tells a story abouthow, when they were in the
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foster care, they used to gettheir face.
He said he must be smart withdirt, because the bigger kids
used to rub our faces in it.
Amy (23:40):
Yeah, I guess it's because he gives you those little.
Garry (23:44):
Yeah, those little nuggets of what happened in his
foster care, and I love howOliver goes.
Norman, I'm proud of you.
Amy (23:54):
Yeah, I know, you created the Norman Dorman solution yeah.
Garry (24:00):
You know liquid solution, and I just love how Oliver
always sits there and lifts himup.
Amy (24:07):
Well, he recognizes that that's what he needs.
Yes, you know he needs to hearbecause he hasn't been told it
and he was in the foster caresystem and you know Oliver had a
different type of upbringingand it's just cool that he
recognizes that in him.
So, yeah, that's really cool,and we haven't really talked
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about you know, Norman, unlessyou're going to talk about it in
the cheers and jeers, but wehaven't even talked about the
letter.
Really, right?
So the letter is um the deadletter.
Yeah, was burned and they'retrying to figure out.
Um, they, it's burned prettybadly yeah, because it was.
Garry (24:41):
Apparently it was burned by a male carrier who left their
cigarette on the right.
Who's no?
Amy (24:47):
longer alive, right, and then.
So the story of the letter isit's written from a pilot who
was in Afghanistan and he waswriting it to a little girl
about her mom, because the momis presumed dead but missing in
action.
Garry (25:03):
Basically they don't know where she is, and then there
were some rumors Basically theydon't know and then there were
some rumors Right.
Amy (25:07):
There were rumors that she had helped the I guess the
Taliban and the Afghans and theywere connected to a terrorist
organization.
And then you find out thatwasn't true, of course.
But then Norman really helpsthe little girl because she's
bullied by kids at schoolbecause of the rumors about her
mom.
Garry (25:26):
Right.
Amy (25:27):
Basically being a traitor.
Garry (25:28):
I know Right.
Amy (25:29):
And just the things he tells her along the way.
Garry (25:35):
I thought it was really good.
They were like they became palsright off the bat right.
And I thought it was so sweet.
Amy (25:44):
Phoebe, he and Phoebe.
Yes, and the fact that and shegravitated towards him yes, yeah
, because they kind that.
And she gravitated towards himyes, yeah.
Garry (25:49):
And because they kind of had the same upbringing right
yeah, they were bullied.
And he was having none of thatwith them kids.
No, he, he was like I mean,there was a couple of scenes
where he was like shut up andwhat are you doing?
And when they were trying totake the ribbon and he was like
what are you doing?
And he's like I'm sorry.
And she was like well, you know,maybe it's time for me to pull
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this down and take it down andmove on and he was like no, you
don't have to do that, but Ithought the concept of the sand
was pretty interesting.
Right, Her mom would alwayssend a letter back to her and
she says, when you fill up thatwater bottle, that's when I'll
be home.
Amy (26:24):
Yeah, that's when I'll be home.
Yeah, aw, I know it's just oh.
And then when Norman and Ritashowed up near the end with that
vase that she actually likedwhen she was in the DLO, that
Phoebe liked when she was in theDLO, yeah, she saw it and they
brought it to her and theythought that was cool, yeah, and
then she put the sand in it.
Yeah, she was like, stay cool,norm, stay cool, cute to him.
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So did you have any cheersreally cute?
Um, my biggest cheer we'vetalked about a little bit is
basically when you can speak athousand words without uttering
a single one.
Oh my god, and I mean it is offthe chain in the series for
real, the way you know we talkedabout the way oliver looks at
shane, you know, at the serioustimes, but also when he's
teasing her a little like whenhe questioned shane why Phoebe
is with them.
Garry (27:09):
Yep.
Amy (27:10):
They were at the restaurant , right.
And she's like why?
And he's like why are welooking for the letter writer
when the letter's been delivered?
But he kind of smirks because,he's playing with her a little
bit.
I just think that's so cute.
He's smiling during that time,and Norman too, with the faces
the he looks at rita when he'strying so hard to figure out
(27:31):
what to say.
And he wants to say the rightthing.
He doesn't want to flub it, youknow, when he uses his
experience in the foster worldas antidotes to phoebe, which we
just, you know we just talkedabout and phoebe totally gets
him um, you know, and it's notbecause of the fostering so much
as just feeling like an outcastright, so he relates to Phoebe
on that level.
And then when Oliver tells himhe'd be a great dad, and he
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tears up and he can't speak.
Oh my gosh.
Garry (27:56):
It was like, from what I saw today, you would make a
great dad.
Amy (28:00):
And Norm is just like and the tears came out.
He looks like he's going to cry, but he doesn't.
He wants to say thank you, buthe doesn't.
But you can tell how much thattouched him and there you go.
Yeah, what about you, cheers?
I have more, a couple more.
Garry (28:14):
Yeah, again going back to the beer scene, and when Oliver
had it for the first time andhis dad even said so you know
he's like, I think this is yourfirst.
Amy (28:26):
Actually, I know it's your first.
It's your first beer.
Yeah, I thought that was veryfun.
Garry (28:29):
Yeah, and again, when you said that Oliver had said you'd
make a great dad.
Amy (28:34):
Yes, that was a very touching scene Because at the
beginning and Norman sayssomething like how can I be a
good dad if I never had one?
Or something like that if Ididn't have one in my life.
So it was good that that camefull circle towards the end,
because you can see how herelated to the teenager.
Garry (28:56):
Yeah, my biggest cheer was when Oliver and Joe have it
out at the park and he tellsthem.
I did leave your mom with aforwarding address.
She just didn't want you.
Amy (29:15):
And he was in the look on.
Well, he doesn't say she didn'twant you, she just wasn't fit
or she wasn't at that particulartime ready to have you.
Well, I think he just kind ofleaves it open at first and
Oliver's like so she didn't.
He realizes she didn't want tohave the communication with me
again with the face.
Garry (29:33):
Right.
Amy (29:33):
You know when the realization crosses him that
he's been wrong, all these yearsin blaming Joe.
Garry (29:40):
Yeah, wasted 15 years, yeah.
And then when he tells him Iremember the slide incident
where mom yelled at me because Iwouldn't come down this slide
and she says she's leaving, butyou sat right down.
Amy (29:54):
Right and waited Right.
That memory comes back fullcircle.
Garry (29:57):
Yeah, I was like oh, my God.
Amy (30:00):
I just can't, I can't take it, I can't take it.
Garry (30:04):
So what else Did you have any more?
Amy (30:05):
Yeah, gregory Harrison is a stud at any age.
Yes, he is.
I thought he was so cute.
And Trevor John when I used towatch that with my mom when I
was a little girl, I was likehe's so cute, yes.
And then he has just aged very,very well.
I just have to put that outthere as there is a cheer.
I love him.
Yeah, the continuation of MoreCousins of Norman.
Oh, my gosh, we talked aboutthat.
Garry (30:27):
Norman and his cousins.
Amy (30:28):
man Love it and then we've talked about it.
My final cheer would be youknow Oliver's storyline his dad
finding you know his dad findingout he has a different
biological father, mm-hmm Comingaround to some painful truths
about his mom.
Yep, and I like that we getthat information now in the
canon.
Garry (30:46):
Right and it doesn't get dragged out.
Amy (30:48):
And I mean I'm sure it will come up again.
I mean we know it doesn't tothe moon and back, but I just
like that, we know that now youknow, and that allows for more
growth of the character.
You have that information andnow in the future movies, movies
we can just see his charactergrow more.
Yeah, so I like that, yeah,yeah that's my two cents.
(31:10):
No, that was it what aboutjeers?
okay, the only jeer that I couldcome up with and it's hard with
these movies.
Okay, so if oliver and joehaven't spoken in what like like
15 years, how does Joe knowShane's name At the beginning,
because he says you're Shane,right?
Garry (31:30):
Because he had the card with her name on it.
Amy (31:35):
Oh duh, oh my God.
Garry (31:38):
You know, Steve, and he made a reference.
You're right, Remember he madea reference.
Amy (31:43):
I was like how did he know I'm so dumb?
Okay.
Garry (31:45):
And she doesn't know that that's Oliver's dad.
Amy (31:48):
Right, Because I'm thinking how does he know who works in
the DLO if he hasn't talked tohim in 15 years?
Right?
Garry (31:53):
Because she just started.
Amy (31:54):
I'm there like that can't be a mishap.
Garry (32:05):
I taking her stuff back to the DLO because she quit and
the card fell out of her box andit was addressed to her.
I am so dumb, All right, I'mdone.
But then she takes the cardfrom him and starts walking away
and he's like Shane, Shane,Shane, come back.
And that was a reference to a1953 movie.
What was it called Shane?
Amy (32:19):
Shane.
Where the little kid he madethat, well, we had to look it up
.
We didn't know that, because Iknew it had to be something,
because the way he said it andShane was like really.
Like she hasn't ever heard thatbefore.
Yeah, that's how you know.
It's a quote from a movie.
Yeah, so we did, or you lookedit up actually.
Garry (32:37):
Yes, I looked it up, I had to do it it has to be a
movie.
Amy (32:40):
That was something else we talked about right after.
Yeah, the emotions ran thegamut.
I mean the whole, you know,afghanistan thing.
You know we won't get into thattoo much, because here we are
10 years later and what'shappened?
Has happened, but you know it'sat that time still emotional
still.
I mean you know.
Garry (32:59):
Well for a little child to find out that her mom didn't
make it, I mean.
Amy (33:03):
Yeah, and to be raised by her grandfather.
Garry (33:06):
No that was.
Amy (33:06):
That's a good point too, because the pilot, when he
finally the one who wrote theletter right meets her and I
think she asks if she's stillalive and and the pilot says, or
is she dead?
And he says I don't believeshe's alive.
And I thought that was good inthe sense that it could give
them peace of mind.
(33:27):
Or now they know.
Garry (33:29):
Right.
Amy (33:30):
You know there's no hope and you realize, and you also
find out that she was actuallydoing good things and
volunteered for a dangerousmission and she was a hero, yeah
, and got caught up in it.
She was not a terrorist.
Garry (33:43):
Nope.
Amy (33:44):
And she was trying to talk to the women in Afghanistan when
the men weren't around.
She was trying to develop that.
So you do find out layers moreand it's relatable to what was
going on at the time and youknow, for another 10 years,
right or not 10, not quite 10years, but yeah, unfortunately.
Garry (34:01):
So he said when he wrote the letter it was for a little
kid.
Amy (34:04):
And now she's a teenager.
Yeah Well, it had been twoyears.
It was two years later.
Garry (34:08):
Yeah, and he didn't know how to tell her, but he ended up
doing it in a good way, right,right, no, I thought that was,
and she was almost like notrelieved, but like she just
needed somebody to say it.
Yeah, you know, so she couldmove.
Amy (34:20):
Well, and start grieving, yeah, true, and then move
forward, yeah, yeah, so.
Garry (34:25):
Well, I had one year.
Amy (34:26):
Okay, what's your year?
I?
Garry (34:27):
just kids are so mean.
Amy (34:29):
Oh, I know.
Garry (34:30):
I know, come on, come on, guys.
Amy (34:33):
I know, I know, but that's how kids are.
Garry (34:36):
And I was into sports and I just I loved everybody, I
talked to everybody and you know, back in the 80s, 70s and 80s
you had your cliques, but I justtalked to everybody.
I didn't exclude anybody.
Amy (34:51):
Yeah, I mean I feel like I was friends with mostly
everybody.
I mean I was athletic but I gotteased a lot in middle school.
Garry (34:58):
Well, so did I so did you ?
Amy (34:59):
Yeah, I mean, I know we've talked about that, but it's just
.
It's so hard for kids I thinknow, especially with social
media and everything and thebullying that goes on, and it is
very serious and you know youcan tell kids to suck it up, but
there is also, you know,sometimes they need help.
Garry (35:19):
Yes.
Amy (35:20):
And I'm not talking about like counseling necessarily.
I'm just saying that like kidsare mean and cruel and all this,
I don't know how I would handleall the social media stuff if I
were in high school today.
Garry (35:31):
Yeah, me too or middle school.
Amy (35:32):
I mean I would probably curl up into a ball and never
want to leave.
You know, I mean I'm tellingyou.
I just I think it is hard andyou know just the more
communication you can have withyour kids, the better.
And you know kids are going todo dumb stuff and they're going
to say dumb stuff.
And you know, if you hear yourkids I mean I know we were on
our kids, like that was me Don'tsay that.
(35:52):
You know we're not going totalk about people like that, you
know.
Garry (35:56):
But You're right.
Amy (35:57):
Yeah, but Norman handled them.
Garry (36:00):
Yeah, he did.
Yeah, Norman Norman.
Amy (36:02):
Norman.
Garry (36:03):
Norman.
So let me go back.
I mentioned at the beginning ofthe podcast that I wanted to
touch on something real quickand I'm going to run through
this real quick because we'rerunning long here.
On time, but did you notice theweeping willow in the scenes at
the playground?
I don't know if it was doneintentionally or not, but the
(36:30):
weeping willow tree is mostlypredominantly associated with
grief, mourning and loss, due toits drooping branches that
resemble tears.
However, it also representsresilient hope and the enduring
nature of love and family, withits ability to endure hardship
and maintain strength in theface of adversity.
Look at you.
There were four scenes thatthis tree was in.
Okay, I'm going to read themreal quick and I'm done.
Okay, when Oliver and Shanewalk by the Weeping Willow in
(36:51):
the park, it symbolizes griefmourning.
At this point, oliver justfound out his father had passed
away.
Amy (36:57):
Is this?
You writing this?
This is me.
You found this.
Okay, this is me.
Garry (36:59):
Right, I had to write it because I couldn't.
Amy (37:02):
I know, I know, I know I wouldn't be able to talk about
it.
I got you Okay, so that was one.
Garry (37:05):
There was another scene where Oliver walks past the
Weeping Willow.
After talking to Joe, he wassad just finding out the truth
about his past.
Amy (37:14):
Okay, interesting, and this is all in the park.
This is all in the park, inthat park.
Okay.
Huh, and I know growing up, I'msaying right, like I know that,
and as a kid I used to loveweeping willows.
Garry (37:30):
I used to lay down inside , you know under the branches
and it was so cool.
Another scene was when Oliverwalked past a weeping willow to
meet a stepfather after seeingthe lawyer.
To me it was something kind ofinteresting being resilient.
You know he's coming back rightto see his dad, right.
And then joe is explaining tooliver about his mother, with
(37:52):
the willow tree in thebackground.
I believe it's representinghope and family and enduring
hardship.
When joe atoll and shane meetfor the first time, as shane
took the letter from him andstarted to walk away.
Amy (38:07):
They were in the post office.
No, wait a minute.
No, that has nothing to do withit.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Garry (38:11):
Anyways.
Amy (38:11):
Rewind.
Garry (38:12):
That was the last one when Joe and Oliver have that,
one last discussion where Joetells them, but I did leave it.
Amy (38:22):
Right and that tree's in the background, so I them, but I
I did leave it right and thattree is in the background, so I
don't know if anybody elsecaught that.
Garry (38:28):
I don't know if it was done on purpose or an accident.
Amy (38:29):
I don't know if it's an accident.
If you're into symbols, thingspretty smart to me.
I thought I, I felt like thatthat was in there.
Garry (38:36):
For that reason, very, very interesting, because, to do
a deeper dive, both of those,all three of those stories,
shane or not Shane, oliver, thegirl and Norman, they all had
that whole full circle comearound of those emotions.
Amy (38:53):
Look at you.
So there it is.
I didn't even notice that.
Look at you.
Garry (38:57):
Yeah, I wanted to tell you, but I was like, no, I'm
going to save it.
Is that what you said?
I?
Amy (39:01):
know he did.
He said I want to tell yousomething so badly, but I'm
going to save it for the podcast.
I'm like, okay Done and I'mbetter at moving on.
Garry (39:10):
It drives you nuts, it drives me nuts, but me I'm like
okay, I cannot keep a secret.
No, if I get captured, I'msinging, sorry.
Amy (39:16):
Oh gosh.
Anyways out of we talked abouthow it has to be really, really
good for us to give the fiveright Like, because we're
handing them out like they'recandy.
But I'm going to go with thefive.
Garry (39:31):
Me too, man.
I just I feel like I can't.
That's three fives in a row.
I think maybe yeah, just theacting.
Amy (39:36):
What about you?
You said you too.
Garry (39:37):
Yes, I'm giving it five.
Amy (39:39):
All right, is that a wrap?
Garry (39:41):
That's a wrap.
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Garry (01:28):
Right.
So today we're reviewing Signed, sealed, delivered.
Truth Be Told.
That originally aired onHallmark Movie and Mysteries
Channel on September 13th 2020or 2020.
Amy (01:39):
2020.
2015.
Almost 10 years ago, I know orno?
Yeah, almost 10 years ago, Iknow or no?
Yeah.
Almost 10 years ago, yeah.
Garry (01:46):
And you can watch it on Hallmark Plus Yay.
Amy (01:49):
Yay, you can watch it anytime there, I know, or get
the DVDs.
People still watch things onDVDs, yeah.
Garry (01:56):
You sure can.
Amy (01:56):
This would be worth your money.
Garry (01:58):
Yes, it would be.
Amy (01:59):
For sure.
Garry (02:00):
So who's in this one?
Amy (02:02):
Well returning.
In Science Hill Delivered,truth Be Told are the core four
the Postables.
Eric Mabeus plays OliverO'Toole.
Kristen Booth plays ShaneMcInerney.
Look, I did it you did it.
I had a hard time with her lastname.
Yay, cheers to that.
Crystal Lowe plays RitaHayworth, jeff Gustafson plays
Norman Dorman and also returningis Gregory Harrison.
(02:27):
He returns as Joe O'Toole.
You can go to our podcastreview of To the Moon and Back,
where we go into detail aboutthe work of each of those actors
.
Garry (02:38):
Yes, you can.
Yep, Check it out, get thedetails.
Amy (02:41):
So today we're going to be adding a little more detail
about people who are in thisparticular movie who have not
been in previous movies or theseries Correct Right Yep, megan
Carpenter plays Phoebe Amidon.
I think that's how theypronounce it yes.
It looks like this was herHallmark premiere.
(03:01):
She is also in Science SealDelivered, the Impossible Dream,
which I believe is the next onein the canon.
We are watching them in order.
Garry (03:10):
Yes, we are.
Amy (03:11):
And she was also in Operation Christmas in 2016.
Some of her other work includesSight Unseen one episode in
2024,.
The TV series Sea, one episodein 2019, and Fringe one episode
in 2009.
Fringe in one episode in 2009like me some friend william b
davis plays harper.
I believe his hallmark work isthis film and the next one the
(03:33):
impossible dream.
So I didn't know they returneduntil I started doing a little
research.
So that's, that's pretty coolit is he's done a ton of work.
This actor has a lot of work,beginning in 1983.
More recently, he was in the tvseries upload 15 episodes
between 2020 and 2023 thechilling adventures of sabrina,
(03:55):
which we love.
Two episodes in 2019 continuumwhich you really loved 15
episodes between 2012 and 2015,and but he's probably best known
as smoking man in 43 episodesof the x-files from 1993 to 2018
.
Oh boy, okay that was prettygood that wasn't bad, oh boy,
(04:21):
okay, I didn't watch x-Fileswhen it was on originally.
Garry (04:25):
Oh, I loved.
Amy (04:25):
X-Files, but we watched it when it came back for a few
seasons more recently.
Garry (04:31):
I guess, and the movie, but I didn't watch it originally
Robert Maloney plays CaptainMarkham for Hallmark.
Amy (04:39):
He was in two of the Cherry Lane movies Christmas on Cherry
Lane, 2023 and 2024.
He was in Mystery 101, playingDad in 2019, morning Show
Mysteries, countdown to Murderin 2019, and While you Were
Dating in 2017.
Some of his other work includesthis TV series Tracker one
episode in 2024.
(05:00):
Riverdale three episodesbetween 2019 and 2021.
Girlfriend's Guide to Divorce,which we loved.
Yes, we did One episode in 2015.
And he, too, was in the X-FilesTwo episodes between 1995 and
1997.
Wow, Jill Morrison plays Hazelthe male carrier.
(05:21):
I haven't even had a sip yet.
She plays Hazel the male.
I haven't even had a sip yet.
She plays Hazel the malecarrier.
She's been in several Hallmarkproductions, including Wedding
Season in 2023, A Second Chanceat Love in 2022, Marrying Father
Christmas in 2018, and she isin four more signed, sealed,
delivered movies, which is kindof fun because I loved her.
Garry (05:41):
I loved her she was cute.
Amy (05:43):
Her other work includes Murder in a Small Town.
One episode in 2024, a MillionLittle Things one episode in
2021.
And her first acting credit wasthe movie, the cult classic
Mean Girls in 2004.
Garry (05:58):
That's so fetch, yes, if you know, you know, you know.
Amy (06:03):
So there you go, all right.
So that's who's in it.
Garry (06:04):
That's know, you know, you know.
So there you go, all right, sothat's who's in it, that's who's
in it.
So you ready for some Hallmarktrivia?
Amy (06:10):
Lay it on me.
Okay, lay it on me, let's getthrough this.
Garry (06:12):
Let's get through it.
Which Hallmark original filmfeatures a time-traveling
typewriter?
Typewriter yeah, I know, that'swhat I said.
Amy (06:23):
Tire rider.
I was not expecting that, butokay, I have no idea.
Garry (06:27):
Hey look, it has its own suitcase.
Amy (06:29):
Oh huh, we're here.
All night, it was the movie theLove Letter.
I don't know that one.
Garry (06:37):
Me either.
Amy (06:38):
Okay, maybe we'll have to look it up.
Do you know what year?
Garry (06:41):
No, I do not Fail.
It was an epic fail, wasn't itsorry?
Amy (06:46):
all right, we'll look that up, we'll look it up is it time
to drop the synopsis?
Garry (06:54):
it's time to drop this synopsis.
Amy (06:56):
All right, here we go with the synopsis.
The postables are on a missionto deliver a soldier's letter
from Afghanistan to a teenagerwho's being relentlessly bullied
, while Oliver's estrangedfather surprises him with news
that shakes him to his core.
Garry (07:13):
Okay.
So All right, I'm going to giveyou the first take on this one.
Amy (07:18):
Ooh, we had big feelings on this one, didn't we?
Garry (07:20):
Yeah.
Amy (07:21):
I think I got a little emotional in some of these
scenes I think we both did in afew Yep, yep.
Garry (07:25):
Yeah, so what did you think?
Amy (07:28):
Well, I feel like every time we watch one of these
movies and this is only thethird one outside of the pilot
After the series, the pilot andthe series Right right, right
and I just feel like they reallybrilliantly navigate the
parallel between the story andthe people.
Behind the letter and thepostables lives.
So, they really tell all ofthese stories at one time, but
(07:51):
they weave them so well and thismovie was no exception.
I loved it.
Shocking, right.
We we try not to talk about themovie as it's.
I mean, we laugh out loudsometimes if there are funny
parts and we kind of go, oh,that's cool or something, but we
really try not to talk about it.
But there were some.
(08:11):
After this one ended, we werelike okay, I just have to say
this.
I just have to say this Becausewe try to save it for the
podcast, right, but this one wasjust so, so good.
It's just, it's nuts.
How many layers of storytellingthey can pack in one movie.
Garry (08:26):
How many emotions can they pack?
And?
Amy (08:28):
emotions.
Yeah, in this one you have themystery of the letter.
Of course you have Rita andNorman trying to figure out what
to do now after the kiss aftertheir kiss.
You have Oliver and Shane'srelationship growth.
You have Oliver and Joe.
You have Oliver.
Joe and Oliver's biological dad, yes, and you have Oliver
learning more about his mom.
(08:48):
Yes, you have Norman.
We learn more about Norman.
I mean, there's so much growthin this.
My mind is like I know.
On fire right now my brain.
Garry (08:57):
My emotions were everywhere.
Amy (08:58):
I know, I know and I also love how they don't shy away
from faith and religion.
Nope, right.
So in this one, you know, godis mentioned.
Garry (09:08):
Yeah.
Amy (09:09):
Oliver goes to the church at one point to contemplate,
because he needs to go back towhere things he needs to rewind
when he goes.
Yeah, to contemplate, and Ilove that they weave it into the
storyline in such a way thatit's not pushy or preachy.
Garry (09:23):
Yes.
Amy (09:29):
But it's a realistic look at how it's the compass and
comfort of so many people andhow religion and faith really
guide their lives.
Yeah, and I just love the waythey do that.
What about you.
I have a little bit more aboutmy first impression, but I'll
let you go before I babble on.
Garry (09:41):
I have to say homework's three for three, Three for three
.
I have to say Hallmark's threefor three.
Amy (09:44):
Three for three.
Garry (09:46):
I mean, you know, you said in the last podcast that
Oliver just with his facialexpressions can make you cry.
Yes, he damn sure did.
But I'm going to also sayNorman in this one yes, damn,
made me tear up.
I'm telling you In a couple ofof scenes which we'll get to,
(10:07):
but I mean, I can't take it, Iknow and like you were saying
that there were so many likestories going on, you know, I
just I was like man, I don'tknow if I could take this
anymore.
You kept looking over at me andI know there was like some
tears coming down.
Amy (10:24):
I was like oh, my god, I can't take this.
Garry (10:26):
I know, oh gosh, yes, and I love the uh introduction of
hazel.
I thought yes, that was so goodit's like when you're way up
here with the emotion, she comesin and she brings you right
back down to earth and you'rekind of like, okay, I'm happy
again.
And then they punch you in theface again with the emotion so I
I really really enjoyed thismovie.
Amy (10:47):
Right.
Garry (10:48):
And I got at the end of our podcast.
I want to talk about something.
Podcast, podcast.
I have something, our podcast,and I don't know if whoever's
listening to Postables, if youcaught this, but I do want to
talk about it because I thoughtit was interesting.
Amy (11:05):
Are we talking about it now or are you waiting?
No, we're going to wait to theend.
Oh, ok, that's like a teaser.
Garry (11:10):
That's like.
I call it an interesting catch.
Amy (11:13):
OK, gotcha.
Garry (11:15):
Yes, so favorites.
Oh, no wait, no wait, Go ahead.
Amy (11:19):
I just want to say one more thing, and of course course
this will probably make it alittle bit longer.
I like that the movies pick up.
You know, so far anyway, thatwe've seen where the last ones
left off like it's the next dayand it got me thinking.
I wondered why.
Because we didn't watch it whenit aired no, 10 years ago right
and and forward.
Um, we just started watching itin the last few months actually.
(11:40):
So I wasn't sure why they didthat, why they moved away from
the series, which I'm assumingdidn't you know, I assume didn't
do that great.
Um, but now they they've movedto the movie format.
So I was intrigued about whythey did that.
So I found an interview withmartha williamson, okay who
writes the movies, possiblyco-write some of them.
(12:01):
People will correct me if I'mwrong.
She did an interview in 2015with Nell Minow, who's known as
movie mom, and I will put thelink to the interview in the
show notes or in the episodenotes, so that people can go
read it.
But Martha said and this is aquote from Martha I'm loving
this because we have essentiallya whole new story Now.
(12:23):
We were doing this series thatwas originally going to be about
dead letters being deliveredlate, but the life of this
quirky little group just took onmore of a role.
People embraced them so muchand just fell in love with the
two little love stories betweenOliver and Shane and Rita and
Norman and wanted more of thebackstories of these folks and
their lives.
And then she goes on to saythese people are postal
(12:45):
detectives, which which actuallyexist.
But they really became thislittle family and so I found
that we needed extra time andhallmark really wanted us to go
to the movies and mysterieschannel right it is turning out
to be very gratifying, so Ithought that that was just.
That was just really that makessense, really interesting.
Yeah, yeah, I thought that wascool and, like I said, we'll
(13:08):
post the link to the article.
She talks a lot more about thecharacters and things and, um,
it's just really really good,yeah, yeah.
Garry (13:17):
So there you go all right a little tidbit for my own
curiosity well, you want to talkabout some favorite scenes?
Amy (13:23):
sure, let's it.
Why don't you do a favoritescene first?
Garry (13:27):
When Norman asked Oliver to go on a walk.
Amy (13:31):
Yes, stop it.
Are you going to tear up rightnow?
Stop it.
Garry (13:38):
I love Norman man.
I know he is just that guy whojust I know he takes life.
Whatever life gives him, hetakes it and he smiles.
Yes, he doesn't complain, andwhen he tells his backstories
it's just like you just feel forthis guy.
Amy (13:56):
Well, he gives little nuggets of what he's picked up
throughout his life in fostercare.
And you see it on his face andwhen he compares, he's able to
relate so much to so many of theother characters because of his
experience.
Garry (14:13):
And what was funny is, as they were walking, he's telling
Oliver what happened with thekiss.
Amy (14:21):
Right, right right.
Garry (14:22):
And she had said I love you.
And Oliver said well, what didyou say back?
And he's like I didn't sayanything.
Amy (14:30):
Oliver's.
Like what Oliver's?
Garry (14:32):
shaking his head like oh my gosh, I mean, how many more
clues you got to give Right,right.
Amy (14:37):
Here's your sign.
Garry (14:38):
But then he says he kissed her.
And then the one part when he'ssaying you know we're moving so
fast he goes.
I have a five-year plan.
He said, as fast as we'removing, we'll be married by.
Amy (14:51):
Thursday.
I know that was funny.
It was so cute.
Garry (14:53):
That's so Norman I know that is so, norman and you know
about him.
Amy (14:58):
We just watched they were reshowing what is it?
Three Wise Men and a Baby,Uh-huh.
And Jeff Gustafson is in thatone.
Yeah, and he's a completelydifferent character.
I know, I know, and so youreally see his acting chops
there and how well he playsNorman.
Garry (15:16):
Yes.
Amy (15:17):
Because we saw him, you know, in a completely different.
Garry (15:20):
He was kind of strict.
Yeah, he was the boss of them.
Amy (15:22):
Yeah, so it was just really interesting.
Garry (15:25):
So what was one of your scenes?
Amy (15:27):
Well, this podcast would be hours long if I went over every
scene, because I want to talkabout everything in detail, but
I won't.
Garry (15:32):
We don't have enough time .
Amy (15:33):
And it goes back to Norman, the way Norman looks at the
trainee when she just casuallypicks up that dead letter, Cause
you know Oliver's talking tothe trainees at the beginning
and she's just like like thisone and he is almost like oh
like it's sacrilegious.
Yes, his face, like you weretalking about earlier.
The facial expressions yes, thefacial expressions.
(15:54):
So that was one that I loved.
You just brought it up.
The telling of the story of thekiss Norman is telling Oliver
and Rita is telling Shane, andthey go back and forth between
the two.
Garry (16:08):
Yes, which was really, really, and they're in different
locations.
Amy (16:10):
They're at the same time but different places.
And then Oliver and Shane givetheir feedback too, and they're
kind of it's just.
It reminded me of Greece.
Garry (16:19):
Yes.
Amy (16:19):
Summer Lovin' is what came to my mind.
That's a good analogy I thoughtI just, oh my gosh.
I thought that was so good.
I just love the way that playedout.
Garry (16:29):
It was just so well written yeah, yeah, because in
that scene too uh norman hadtalked about well, what do I do?
Do I do?
Amy (16:37):
I buy furniture do I buy furniture right and then?
Garry (16:42):
oliver goes, don't you think it's a little early to buy
furniture?
Amy (16:45):
And then it dawns on him that he bought.
Garry (16:48):
Shane the porch swing.
Yeah, and he's like that wholescene.
Amy (16:53):
Oh my gosh, yes, that was Yep, yep, that worked Definitely
.
I love the scene when Oliverand Shane are on the porch swing
and the mail carrier comes up.
And what I love about you knowthe mail carrier?
It just reminds me, I mean, Iknow we get some mail now, but I
know it's kind of, you know,people don't get as much mail.
They don't mail personalletters.
(17:14):
I mean people get packages andstuff.
But I love, even before thisscene, the mail carrier is kind
of like here's a letter fromyour brother, here's a letter
from your.
You know like she's goingthrough it and you know mail
carriers did that, you know.
Just I don't know it justcracked me up but in that scene
where they're on the porch,she's like is that steve?
Yeah, I thought that becauseshe's she knows so much about,
about, um oliver no, no, no, no,no, shane she knows so much
(17:38):
about shane.
They escaped me for a minute.
So she gives her her mail andthen she's like oh, here's a
package from your mom, you knowoh, yeah, oh.
Garry (17:47):
And she said and here's something from your insurance.
Amy (17:50):
It's just so funny to me, you know, and then, and then
that of course that scene leadsinto the discussion between
Oliver and Shane about Oliver'sdad.
Garry (18:01):
Right.
Amy (18:02):
Right, they get into more, so he's really opening up to
Shane and so that whole scenereally worked.
Yeah, it did For me and I hadthat too, as one of my favorites
.
Garry (18:11):
You did when they were on the porch.
And you get that backstoryabout what happened to Oliver
and, of course, them eyes whenhe was talking about how his dad
didn't leave a forwardingaddress, yeah, and then it's not
until later on that you findout that he actually did Right.
Amy (18:30):
And it was actually his mom who did it.
Garry (18:32):
But at the point, you're thinking oh man, joe, a tool.
What is wrong with you?
Amy (18:35):
He's a tool.
He's a real tool.
What does?
Garry (18:37):
he do.
Come on, joe, what are youdoing this poor kid?
Yeah, he just wants to know hismom, right?
I also loved the flashbacksthat Oliver was giving when he
was at the park, when he was alittle kid, on the slide you
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weren't sure where that wasgoing until the end, when him
and Joe were talking and heexplained and at first he was
saying Oliver was saying no, Idon't remember that, right, he
didn't want to admit, he didn'twant.
I don't remember that Right.
He didn't want to admit that he—he didn't want to admit what
was going on, right, so that wasanother one of my favorites.
Amy (19:14):
Right, that was a great—yeah.
Garry (19:16):
I agree, you got another one.
I have a few, oh you got a few,Not too many just a couple more
.
Amy (19:28):
So when Shane is still at the DLO and oliver calls her out
, he's like I know you're stillhere, yeah, this is like towards
the end.
And she talks about his faithbeing far greater than being an
o'toole.
It's after oliver has found outthat his dad isn't his
biological dad.
He actually had a differentbiological dad and it's the man
that ran off with his mom.
Um, and I just thought he says,or she said, I want to walk
over to you and put my armsaround you and tell you
(19:50):
everything is going to be okay.
And what does she say?
Something like but I know youdon't right want that, or
whatever.
Then he says since when doeswhat I want ever stop you?
and I just thought, that was itwas funny and sweet at the same
time.
And then she goes and gives hima hug and you're like you're
tearing up, you, you know,because it's like I'm telling
you, yeah, the tissue box,because it's really what he
(20:12):
wants, but he won't admit it.
He kind of words wordsmiths hisway around it, Yep.
Garry (20:17):
He sure does he?
Amy (20:18):
says what he wants but you know.
Garry (20:23):
Right, right yeah because she's really good at getting
him to open up.
Amy (20:29):
Right right.
Garry (20:30):
And he kind of does the same thing to her.
They're both yeah for eachother.
Amy (20:34):
That's what they do, and you just learn more and more
information about each one.
I love the fire pit scenebetween Oliver and Joe his dad.
That was just really again hisfacial expressions during that.
Garry (20:48):
What were you going to say?
And he drinks a beer.
Amy (20:51):
I know, does he have a sip?
Yes, he has one sip, he has onesip.
Garry (20:55):
I sat there and watched and I was like he's not going to
sip.
That is he.
He's going to go back to hisyoo-hoos.
Amy (21:00):
He and Joe are sitting around the fire pit at the place
that Joe bought or rented orwhatever, and that's how he gets
to Colorado right.
Garry (21:10):
To Denver.
Yeah, because he talks to Joeand he's like you know, I don't
even know who I am and he goessure you do.
You're the sum of all thechoices that you've made.
Yes, I thought that was so good.
I think I wrote that somewhere.
Yes, that was brilliant.
Amy (21:27):
You're the sum of all the decisions that you've made.
You are who you are basically.
It doesn't change who you are.
Garry (21:36):
Yeah, that was really good and powerful, which now
makes sense after watching Tothe Moon and Back To the Moon
and Back Right.
Right, I'm glad because of theletters that he had.
Amy (21:50):
The that he had, yes, the stack of letters.
So that was so.
There's a stack of letters thatjoe has that he tried to send
to oliver, because oliver's,like you, haven't been in my
life.
Yeah, you know and he's likebut I sent you all these letters
all these years, but you returnthem yeah, return to sender and
, and shane calls him out onthat too when this one yeah were
.
Garry (22:05):
They had just come off the porch and Oliver turns to
her and Shane is trying toexplain to him.
Give him a call.
He wants to talk to you.
And he's like well, he hasn'tbeen in my life.
And she's like you're, you know, you're the one that shut him
out.
Amy (22:19):
Yeah, she does say that.
Well, I don't know.
Garry (22:23):
There was a part where she says that in that scene she
says that into the moon and backright about the letters but she
says it, I think, again in thisone but she does say you're the
one who shut him out he didn'tshut you off yeah something like
that yeah yeah, that was ohyeah, no, there was so many
scenes, so I really liked.
Amy (22:42):
So do you have any more scenes?
I have one more go ahead, thelook between shane and oliver at
the end, the way they just lookat each other.
And then Joe notices and helooks between them.
Oh so good.
Yes, so so good.
Give Eric Mabeus an Emmy rightnow, if you haven't given him
(23:03):
one him one.
Garry (23:13):
All right.
How about this scene where umnorman tells they find out that
there was sand involved in theletter, right, right.
So norman goes right, I have acousin, and then she, and
hollifer is like you haveanother cousin yeah, that was
funny.
What did he say?
Something about sand thehandyman, or something,
Something yeah.
And then he tells a story abouthow, when they were in the
(23:33):
foster care, they used to gettheir face.
He said he must be smart withdirt, because the bigger kids
used to rub our faces in it.
Amy (23:40):
Yeah, I guess it's because he gives you those little.
Garry (23:44):
Yeah, those little nuggets of what happened in his
foster care, and I love howOliver goes.
Norman, I'm proud of you.
Amy (23:54):
Yeah, I know, you created the Norman Dorman solution yeah.
Garry (24:00):
You know liquid solution, and I just love how Oliver
always sits there and lifts himup.
Amy (24:07):
Well, he recognizes that that's what he needs.
Yes, you know he needs to hearbecause he hasn't been told it
and he was in the foster caresystem and you know Oliver had a
different type of upbringingand it's just cool that he
recognizes that in him.
So, yeah, that's really cool,and we haven't really talked
(24:32):
about you know, Norman, unlessyou're going to talk about it in
the cheers and jeers, but wehaven't even talked about the
letter.
Really, right?
So the letter is um the deadletter.
Yeah, was burned and they'retrying to figure out.
Um, they, it's burned prettybadly yeah, because it was.
Garry (24:41):
Apparently it was burned by a male carrier who left their
cigarette on the right.
Who's no?
Amy (24:47):
longer alive, right, and then.
So the story of the letter isit's written from a pilot who
was in Afghanistan and he waswriting it to a little girl
about her mom, because the momis presumed dead but missing in
action.
Garry (25:03):
Basically they don't know where she is, and then there
were some rumors Basically theydon't know and then there were
some rumors Right.
Amy (25:07):
There were rumors that she had helped the I guess the
Taliban and the Afghans and theywere connected to a terrorist
organization.
And then you find out thatwasn't true, of course.
But then Norman really helpsthe little girl because she's
bullied by kids at schoolbecause of the rumors about her
mom.
Garry (25:26):
Right.
Amy (25:27):
Basically being a traitor.
Garry (25:28):
I know Right.
Amy (25:29):
And just the things he tells her along the way.
Garry (25:35):
I thought it was really good.
They were like they became palsright off the bat right.
And I thought it was so sweet.
Amy (25:44):
Phoebe, he and Phoebe.
Yes, and the fact that and shegravitated towards him yes, yeah
, because they kind that.
And she gravitated towards himyes, yeah.
Garry (25:49):
And because they kind of had the same upbringing right
yeah, they were bullied.
And he was having none of thatwith them kids.
No, he, he was like I mean,there was a couple of scenes
where he was like shut up andwhat are you doing?
And when they were trying totake the ribbon and he was like
what are you doing?
And he's like I'm sorry.
And she was like well, you know,maybe it's time for me to pull
(26:10):
this down and take it down andmove on and he was like no, you
don't have to do that, but Ithought the concept of the sand
was pretty interesting.
Right, Her mom would alwayssend a letter back to her and
she says, when you fill up thatwater bottle, that's when I'll
be home.
Amy (26:24):
Yeah, that's when I'll be home.
Yeah, aw, I know it's just oh.
And then when Norman and Ritashowed up near the end with that
vase that she actually likedwhen she was in the DLO, that
Phoebe liked when she was in theDLO, yeah, she saw it and they
brought it to her and theythought that was cool, yeah, and
then she put the sand in it.
Yeah, she was like, stay cool,norm, stay cool, cute to him.
(26:49):
So did you have any cheersreally cute?
Um, my biggest cheer we'vetalked about a little bit is
basically when you can speak athousand words without uttering
a single one.
Oh my god, and I mean it is offthe chain in the series for
real, the way you know we talkedabout the way oliver looks at
shane, you know, at the serioustimes, but also when he's
teasing her a little like whenhe questioned shane why Phoebe
is with them.
Garry (27:09):
Yep.
Amy (27:10):
They were at the restaurant , right.
And she's like why?
And he's like why are welooking for the letter writer
when the letter's been delivered?
But he kind of smirks because,he's playing with her a little
bit.
I just think that's so cute.
He's smiling during that time,and Norman too, with the faces
the he looks at rita when he'strying so hard to figure out
(27:31):
what to say.
And he wants to say the rightthing.
He doesn't want to flub it, youknow, when he uses his
experience in the foster worldas antidotes to phoebe, which we
just, you know we just talkedabout and phoebe totally gets
him um, you know, and it's notbecause of the fostering so much
as just feeling like an outcastright, so he relates to Phoebe
on that level.
And then when Oliver tells himhe'd be a great dad, and he
(27:52):
tears up and he can't speak.
Oh my gosh.
Garry (27:56):
It was like, from what I saw today, you would make a
great dad.
Amy (28:00):
And Norm is just like and the tears came out.
He looks like he's going to cry, but he doesn't.
He wants to say thank you, buthe doesn't.
But you can tell how much thattouched him and there you go.
Yeah, what about you, cheers?
I have more, a couple more.
Garry (28:14):
Yeah, again going back to the beer scene, and when Oliver
had it for the first time andhis dad even said so you know
he's like, I think this is yourfirst.
Amy (28:26):
Actually, I know it's your first.
It's your first beer.
Yeah, I thought that was veryfun.
Garry (28:29):
Yeah, and again, when you said that Oliver had said you'd
make a great dad.
Amy (28:34):
Yes, that was a very touching scene Because at the
beginning and Norman sayssomething like how can I be a
good dad if I never had one?
Or something like that if Ididn't have one in my life.
So it was good that that camefull circle towards the end,
because you can see how herelated to the teenager.
Garry (28:56):
Yeah, my biggest cheer was when Oliver and Joe have it
out at the park and he tellsthem.
I did leave your mom with aforwarding address.
She just didn't want you.
Amy (29:15):
And he was in the look on.
Well, he doesn't say she didn'twant you, she just wasn't fit
or she wasn't at that particulartime ready to have you.
Well, I think he just kind ofleaves it open at first and
Oliver's like so she didn't.
He realizes she didn't want tohave the communication with me
again with the face.
Garry (29:33):
Right.
Amy (29:33):
You know when the realization crosses him that
he's been wrong, all these yearsin blaming Joe.
Garry (29:40):
Yeah, wasted 15 years, yeah.
And then when he tells him Iremember the slide incident
where mom yelled at me because Iwouldn't come down this slide
and she says she's leaving, butyou sat right down.
Amy (29:54):
Right and waited Right.
That memory comes back fullcircle.
Garry (29:57):
Yeah, I was like oh, my God.
Amy (30:00):
I just can't, I can't take it, I can't take it.
Garry (30:04):
So what else Did you have any more?
Amy (30:05):
Yeah, gregory Harrison is a stud at any age.
Yes, he is.
I thought he was so cute.
And Trevor John when I used towatch that with my mom when I
was a little girl, I was likehe's so cute, yes.
And then he has just aged very,very well.
I just have to put that outthere as there is a cheer.
I love him.
Yeah, the continuation of MoreCousins of Norman.
Oh, my gosh, we talked aboutthat.
Garry (30:27):
Norman and his cousins.
Amy (30:28):
man Love it and then we've talked about it.
My final cheer would be youknow Oliver's storyline his dad
finding you know his dad findingout he has a different
biological father, mm-hmm Comingaround to some painful truths
about his mom.
Yep, and I like that we getthat information now in the
canon.
Garry (30:46):
Right and it doesn't get dragged out.
Amy (30:48):
And I mean I'm sure it will come up again.
I mean we know it doesn't tothe moon and back, but I just
like that, we know that now youknow, and that allows for more
growth of the character.
You have that information andnow in the future movies, movies
we can just see his charactergrow more.
Yeah, so I like that, yeah,yeah that's my two cents.
(31:10):
No, that was it what aboutjeers?
okay, the only jeer that I couldcome up with and it's hard with
these movies.
Okay, so if oliver and joehaven't spoken in what like like
15 years, how does Joe knowShane's name At the beginning,
because he says you're Shane,right?
Garry (31:30):
Because he had the card with her name on it.
Amy (31:35):
Oh duh, oh my God.
Garry (31:38):
You know, Steve, and he made a reference.
You're right, Remember he madea reference.
Amy (31:43):
I was like how did he know I'm so dumb?
Okay.
Garry (31:45):
And she doesn't know that that's Oliver's dad.
Amy (31:48):
Right, Because I'm thinking how does he know who works in
the DLO if he hasn't talked tohim in 15 years?
Right?
Garry (31:53):
Because she just started.
Amy (31:54):
I'm there like that can't be a mishap.
Garry (32:05):
I taking her stuff back to the DLO because she quit and
the card fell out of her box andit was addressed to her.
I am so dumb, All right, I'mdone.
But then she takes the cardfrom him and starts walking away
and he's like Shane, Shane,Shane, come back.
And that was a reference to a1953 movie.
What was it called Shane?
Amy (32:19):
Shane.
Where the little kid he madethat, well, we had to look it up
.
We didn't know that, because Iknew it had to be something,
because the way he said it andShane was like really.
Like she hasn't ever heard thatbefore.
Yeah, that's how you know.
It's a quote from a movie.
Yeah, so we did, or you lookedit up actually.
Garry (32:37):
Yes, I looked it up, I had to do it it has to be a
movie.
Amy (32:40):
That was something else we talked about right after.
Yeah, the emotions ran thegamut.
I mean the whole, you know,afghanistan thing.
You know we won't get into thattoo much, because here we are
10 years later and what'shappened?
Has happened, but you know it'sat that time still emotional
still.
I mean you know.
Garry (32:59):
Well for a little child to find out that her mom didn't
make it, I mean.
Amy (33:03):
Yeah, and to be raised by her grandfather.
Garry (33:06):
No that was.
Amy (33:06):
That's a good point too, because the pilot, when he
finally the one who wrote theletter right meets her and I
think she asks if she's stillalive and and the pilot says, or
is she dead?
And he says I don't believeshe's alive.
And I thought that was good inthe sense that it could give
them peace of mind.
(33:27):
Or now they know.
Garry (33:29):
Right.
Amy (33:30):
You know there's no hope and you realize, and you also
find out that she was actuallydoing good things and
volunteered for a dangerousmission and she was a hero, yeah
, and got caught up in it.
She was not a terrorist.
Garry (33:43):
Nope.
Amy (33:44):
And she was trying to talk to the women in Afghanistan when
the men weren't around.
She was trying to develop that.
So you do find out layers moreand it's relatable to what was
going on at the time and youknow, for another 10 years,
right or not 10, not quite 10years, but yeah, unfortunately.
Garry (34:01):
So he said when he wrote the letter it was for a little
kid.
Amy (34:04):
And now she's a teenager.
Yeah Well, it had been twoyears.
It was two years later.
Garry (34:08):
Yeah, and he didn't know how to tell her, but he ended up
doing it in a good way, right,right, no, I thought that was,
and she was almost like notrelieved, but like she just
needed somebody to say it.
Yeah, you know, so she couldmove.
Amy (34:20):
Well, and start grieving, yeah, true, and then move
forward, yeah, yeah, so.
Garry (34:25):
Well, I had one year.
Amy (34:26):
Okay, what's your year?
I?
Garry (34:27):
just kids are so mean.
Amy (34:29):
Oh, I know.
Garry (34:30):
I know, come on, come on, guys.
Amy (34:33):
I know, I know, but that's how kids are.
Garry (34:36):
And I was into sports and I just I loved everybody, I
talked to everybody and you know, back in the 80s, 70s and 80s
you had your cliques, but I justtalked to everybody.
I didn't exclude anybody.
Amy (34:51):
Yeah, I mean I feel like I was friends with mostly
everybody.
I mean I was athletic but I gotteased a lot in middle school.
Garry (34:58):
Well, so did I so did you ?
Amy (34:59):
Yeah, I mean, I know we've talked about that, but it's just
.
It's so hard for kids I thinknow, especially with social
media and everything and thebullying that goes on, and it is
very serious and you know youcan tell kids to suck it up, but
there is also, you know,sometimes they need help.
Garry (35:19):
Yes.
Amy (35:20):
And I'm not talking about like counseling necessarily.
I'm just saying that like kidsare mean and cruel and all this,
I don't know how I would handleall the social media stuff if I
were in high school today.
Garry (35:31):
Yeah, me too or middle school.
Amy (35:32):
I mean I would probably curl up into a ball and never
want to leave.
You know, I mean I'm tellingyou.
I just I think it is hard andyou know just the more
communication you can have withyour kids, the better.
And you know kids are going todo dumb stuff and they're going
to say dumb stuff.
And you know, if you hear yourkids I mean I know we were on
our kids, like that was me Don'tsay that.
(35:52):
You know we're not going totalk about people like that, you
know.
Garry (35:56):
But You're right.
Amy (35:57):
Yeah, but Norman handled them.
Garry (36:00):
Yeah, he did.
Yeah, Norman Norman.
Amy (36:02):
Norman.
Garry (36:03):
Norman.
So let me go back.
I mentioned at the beginning ofthe podcast that I wanted to
touch on something real quickand I'm going to run through
this real quick because we'rerunning long here.
On time, but did you notice theweeping willow in the scenes at
the playground?
I don't know if it was doneintentionally or not, but the
(36:30):
weeping willow tree is mostlypredominantly associated with
grief, mourning and loss, due toits drooping branches that
resemble tears.
However, it also representsresilient hope and the enduring
nature of love and family, withits ability to endure hardship
and maintain strength in theface of adversity.
Look at you.
There were four scenes thatthis tree was in.
Okay, I'm going to read themreal quick and I'm done.
Okay, when Oliver and Shanewalk by the Weeping Willow in
(36:51):
the park, it symbolizes griefmourning.
At this point, oliver justfound out his father had passed
away.
Amy (36:57):
Is this?
You writing this?
This is me.
You found this.
Okay, this is me.
Garry (36:59):
Right, I had to write it because I couldn't.
Amy (37:02):
I know, I know, I know I wouldn't be able to talk about
it.
I got you Okay, so that was one.
Garry (37:05):
There was another scene where Oliver walks past the
Weeping Willow.
After talking to Joe, he wassad just finding out the truth
about his past.
Amy (37:14):
Okay, interesting, and this is all in the park.
This is all in the park, inthat park.
Okay.
Huh, and I know growing up, I'msaying right, like I know that,
and as a kid I used to loveweeping willows.
Garry (37:30):
I used to lay down inside , you know under the branches
and it was so cool.
Another scene was when Oliverwalked past a weeping willow to
meet a stepfather after seeingthe lawyer.
To me it was something kind ofinteresting being resilient.
You know he's coming back rightto see his dad, right.
And then joe is explaining tooliver about his mother, with
(37:52):
the willow tree in thebackground.
I believe it's representinghope and family and enduring
hardship.
When joe atoll and shane meetfor the first time, as shane
took the letter from him andstarted to walk away.
Amy (38:07):
They were in the post office.
No, wait a minute.
No, that has nothing to do withit.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Garry (38:11):
Anyways.
Amy (38:11):
Rewind.
Garry (38:12):
That was the last one when Joe and Oliver have that,
one last discussion where Joetells them, but I did leave it.
Amy (38:22):
Right and that tree's in the background, so I them, but I
I did leave it right and thattree is in the background, so I
don't know if anybody elsecaught that.
Garry (38:28):
I don't know if it was done on purpose or an accident.
Amy (38:29):
I don't know if it's an accident.
If you're into symbols, thingspretty smart to me.
I thought I, I felt like thatthat was in there.
Garry (38:36):
For that reason, very, very interesting, because, to do
a deeper dive, both of those,all three of those stories,
shane or not Shane, oliver, thegirl and Norman, they all had
that whole full circle comearound of those emotions.
Amy (38:53):
Look at you.
So there it is.
I didn't even notice that.
Look at you.
Garry (38:57):
Yeah, I wanted to tell you, but I was like, no, I'm
going to save it.
Is that what you said?
I?
Amy (39:01):
know he did.
He said I want to tell yousomething so badly, but I'm
going to save it for the podcast.
I'm like, okay Done and I'mbetter at moving on.
Garry (39:10):
It drives you nuts, it drives me nuts, but me I'm like
okay, I cannot keep a secret.
No, if I get captured, I'msinging, sorry.
Amy (39:16):
Oh gosh.
Anyways out of we talked abouthow it has to be really, really
good for us to give the fiveright Like, because we're
handing them out like they'recandy.
But I'm going to go with thefive.
Garry (39:31):
Me too, man.
I just I feel like I can't.
That's three fives in a row.
I think maybe yeah, just theacting.
Amy (39:36):
What about you?
You said you too.
Garry (39:37):
Yes, I'm giving it five.
Amy (39:39):
All right, is that a wrap?
Garry (39:41):
That's a wrap.
Thanks for listening.
Be sure to follow the podcastwherever you listen so you don't
miss one.
Also, follow us on social media.
We'd love to have you leave usa review.
We would On Apple Podcasts andor Spotify.
Amy (39:54):
Or send us an email.
Garry (39:55):
Yes.
Amy (39:56):
Pour the wine.
It's rom-com time at gmailcomyeah.
Join us on Tinsel Tuesdays forour recaps and reviews of all
things Christmas on the HallmarkChannel, and on Wednesdays for
new episodes reviewing Hallmarkmovies.
Garry (40:16):
We'll also be dropping more bonus episodes of the
Signed, sealed, delivered moviesalong the way, as we watch them
.
No promises on dates, but weare trying to watch them in
between everything else.
Amy (40:22):
Until then, fill up your glasses and push play.
Thanks for listening.
Garry (40:25):
Cheers.
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