August 27, 2025 • 49 mins
Show Notes
- How to Build an Autonomous Agent in Copilot Studio by Reza Dorrani
- Agent Academy
- Partner Call Walkthrough by Scott Durow
- #agentacademy by Ana Inés Urrutia
- 9 AI Resources by Joel Moran
- Python in Copilot Studio by Scott Durow
- Pac Environment Extension by Steve Mordue
- From PoCs to production By Carsten Groth
- The classic Power Platform admin center will be retired
- How to Roll Back Level Up by Anna Black
- Using AI Hub: Document outputs in prompts by Ana Inés Urrutia
- SPA in Power Pages using GitHub Spark and Codespaces by Neeraj Nandwana
- Build and Extend Agents Directly from Power Pages Studio (Preview) by Nagesh Bhat
- Power Pages: Tired of filling forms? Use an agent! by Nick Doelman
- How to improve Power Apps with typography by Anna Black
- Copilot Labs
- Microsoft Reactor
- AI Agent & Copilot Podcast by Shawn Dorward
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
a low-code platform, as opposed to kind of yeah, so
democratize programming foreveryone, everyone can make
these things.
And then now what we're seeingis actually that, in practice,
when anyone not you know whenpersonal trainers can learn
Python and actually vibe codetheir way to make stuff happen I
(00:22):
mean, jesus, that's.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
What I talked about before about AI is not going to
take your job, but Steve Mordewwill Well guess who put
something up on freaking GitHub,an actual open source project.
Like any good developer, hewrote something for himself that
really bothered him, so hethought I'm going to write a
solution to this.
(00:43):
Yeah, I know, Steve isviability, but the fact he's now
putting stuff on GitHub for theworld and these projects kind
of blew my mind.
I think this is the world welive in.
Steve Mardu is publishing codeon GitHub.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Wow.
Hello everyone and welcome tothe Power Platform Boost podcast
(01:22):
, your timely source of PowerPlatform news and updates, with
your hosts, nick Dolman andUlrike Ackerbeck.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
All right, here we are for another episode of the
Power Platform Boost podcast.
We're still calling it that wehaven't discussed name changes
yet.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Oh, we've discussed it.
We just haven't settled yet,but I think we're going to.
If I end up with Manana, Ithink we're going to just end up
being Boost podcast and then wecan boost whatever we want.
It's very transferable.
We can boost food andrestaurants when we go traveling
, we can boost AI and Copilot,studio News, whoop, whoop
Represent, et cetera, et cetera.
(02:07):
Exactly, community boost.
Speaking of community boost.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
that could work too.
It might depend on domain nameavailability as well as
everything, so that means.
I have to look and book itbefore we release the episode,
because people might just gopark it and charge us lots of
money, like the person who ownspowerpagescom.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Well, he's out of luck soon, but he doesn't know.
But you know, that's how longdo you think he's going to be
named, that they change the name?
Of this stuff every two years.
It's overdue.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, they're about due for a name change on
everything across the board.
Yep, who knows, who knows, whoknows?
Cool, so how are you doing?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
oh, I'm good.
I'm good.
We have a second wave of, sothis is weather talk.
I say I'm good and then it'salways about the weather because
I I just listening back to someof the episodes, I realized how
dependent on the weather I am.
And then everything about meclicks into place because, you
know, half of the year there'sno sun here and I'm depressed
from November until March, whichmakes sense because my mood is
(03:14):
dependent on the weather.
So you know, that's me.
What's your week been like?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
So it's been good.
And speaking of the weather,like I went for a walk this
morning before the sun came upand I come back I'm drenched in
sweat Like I ran a mile, but Ijust went for a walk.
So we have high temperatures,high humidity here.
We need rain, Our lawns aregetting pretty brown, but I mean
, that's summer in Canada,that's not completely unusual.
(03:44):
Uh, it's been good.
I was in Colorado last week, soshout out to the folks that I
saw there.
Um went to watch the strongmancompetition, met some of my
heroes right up close.
Um, for anybody who knowsstrongman, that kind of I don't
know community or whatever youwant to call it.
Um, yeah, community or whateveryou want to call it.
Yeah, saw like up close BrianShaw, Eddie Hall, Nick Best, Tom
(04:09):
Stoltman Like some of these arehuge names in Strongman and it
was really, really cool and myfriend, Andrea, who she still
does business central work.
She power lifted, so I wascoaching her.
She did really, really well,broke some records, so that was
a lot of fun.
And then, of course, saw Julieand David Yak, good friends of
(04:31):
ours I know, Julie, you don'tlisten to podcasts and Dave, but
hello anyway.
And did the Dynamics user groupin Denver on the Thursday.
So I met a lot of folks thereand did a couple sessions, Of
course, one on PowerPages, oneon the Power Platform Plan
Designer and a lot ofinteresting talks and
discussions there.
(04:52):
A lot of interesting sessionsas well.
So pretty cool and probably thebest session, the opening
session the guy talked about.
You know it was kind of billedas talk about the co-pilot PCs
and what you can do with yourco-pilot laptop.
So we covered a little bit aboutthis but then went into a whole
thing about how to set up yourWindows desktop and laptop
(05:14):
effectively and got onto thislittle crazy rant to the point
he said I know you people thinkI'm crazy about removing the
Microsoft Store icon from thetaskbar.
Him crazy about removing theMicrosoft Store icon from the
taskbar.
So to the point where he wasshowing videos of him removing
the Microsoft or Windows Storeicon from computers in Costco,
for example.
(05:34):
And then he's showing a videosaying his brother-in-law had
like a bit of a heart episode,but he's okay, but in the
hospital, him going removing theMicrosoft Store icon from the
computers where they'reconnected to everything.
So it was, it was funny.
He goes on this little diatribeon this stuff, but a lot of
great tips just on using Windows, like who would have thought
(05:54):
how to use the voice commandsand things like this.
So it really changed how Ireally.
So I went into my computer,rearranged how I got my desktop
and my icon set up, Plus learnedabout a whole bunch of new
features that I can use on myco-pilot laptop.
So that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Wow, you should make a write a blog post about it or
create a video about it, causenow I'm intrigued.
I think I'm doing it wrong andalso I love people on a mission
like that.
It's like it's my life missionto.
Whenever I see that icon,permission to.
Whenever I see that icon, I'mgoing to remove it.
It's like, well, you have acalling, then whatever you go.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
It's like, oh, I'm going to just so.
He started off his session withhe said it was a poll.
He said and it was from hey,what do you think of me so far?
And it's sort of the questionis like well, you seem okay.
All the way to the very lastquestion, was you need help?
And of course when he opened upwith this, everybody kind of
pulled yeah, you seem okay, itseems interesting.
And then at the end of thatlittle session it was sort of
(06:53):
like he said, well, we're kindof running short on time, but
here's a typical response and ofcourse you need psychological
help was like huge.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Fantastic.
We should do that for thepodcast as well, because as we
rant on, people are going like,ok, they're crazy, that makes a
whole lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
How can they rant?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
about the same thing every second week.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, get getting help, and this is my segue into
everything probably a number onequestion that I mean I'm
getting asked at events, and youprobably see this as well as
like, okay, copilot Studio, howdo we get ramped up, how do we
start building agents off?
(07:43):
Learn sometimes seems to be alittle bit behind.
Of all, the new updates isconstantly evolving, so this
week I'm looking at our list.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
We have a shit ton of resources of on getting ramped
up on co-pilot studio andbuilding agents, so let's uh,
we're ready to dive into that ohyeah, absolutely, and this is
so perfect timing for me as well, personally, because I've, or I
thought I was going to havesome time on my hands to kind of
ramp up all these things,because it's it's kind of
(08:09):
outside of my natural scope.
But I think everyone needs toramp up on this stuff, even
though you kind of work onsomething else in your everyday
job.
This is something you need toknow about.
So let's just talk aboutCopilot Studio Agent Academy
first of all, which I thinkmaybe is the biggest
announcement across the boardthis week.
It was launched.
(08:31):
Was it Monday?
No, last week, so that would beWednesday last week, so this is
Wednesday, so a week ago.
When this is published.
It's created by the advocacyteam and it's published on
GitHub created by the advocacyteam and it's published on
github, and it's a newcurriculum, uh, complete kind of
academy curriculum for rampingup on copilot studio.
(08:51):
So have you gone through it yet?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
no, I haven't, but I'm definitely aware of it.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Really, I was so sure , because you always beat me at
these things, because actually Iwent through half of it.
And then we had an emergency atwork so I had to kind of dive in
to save the day.
But this is fantastic and it'snot just a click here do this,
do that.
It's taking you through.
It's a real curriculum.
(09:19):
It takes you through the basics, the theory, everything you
need to know.
Of course, it's all AI writtenright.
Takes you through the basics,the theory, everything you need
to know.
Of course it's all AI writtenright.
But it's also it's full ofemojis and kind of bullet lists.
But also it's very to the pointand I found that reading
through it didn't take a lot oftime and it gives you just what
you need to understand whatyou're doing and why and also
(09:39):
the possibilities around right.
So it will say something likethis is the way we're
configuring it here, becausethis and that, but also realize
you can do this, this or this aswell if you have this kind of
scenario.
So it's, I find it's so good.
And also, if you want to kindof get a walk through before you
dive in the partner communitycall last Thursday was the day
(10:05):
after it was published.
Uh, the advocacy team did awalkthrough, scott Giro did a
walkthrough of the first um tierof this kind of curriculum.
So there's three tiers.
Did they call it tiers Um?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
or missions, aren't they?
Isn't it missions?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
tiers, um, or missions aren't, isn't it?
Missions, missions, maybe?
Yeah, so you do the first onefirst.
Um, oh, jesus, can't this just?
Oh, sorry, it's on my otherscreen um, so you do the.
The first one is recruit, sothat's the one that's available
now.
I think they have operative, uh, which is going to be the next
one, um, and I.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
And the cool thing too, is if you're one of these
folks that like badges, you canwin or gain badges at this, yeah
, recruit operative andcommander.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Thank you, I got my computer back, so yeah, that's
the one.
So operative is around thecorner and I know they're
working on the commander as well, and I don't think they're
working on the commander as well.
Uh and no, and I don't thinkeveryone gets a badge.
Actually, I think it's thefirst 100 people to get through
the recruit and take a pictureand send it to them will get the
badge a credibly badge.
I'm not sure why it'srestricted to only the 100 first
(11:17):
.
Honestly, that's what scottsaid in the walkthrough.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
But, um, yeah, it's got to be very yeah, it's got to
be something special, right,because it's like, if you hand
it out to everybody, it's likeparticipation medals, right, if
you hand it out to everybody,it's not special, so it's got to
be to that.
Now, I'm guessing the top 100will be taken by the time this
episode drops.
(11:40):
I'm pretty sure it actuallywould be, because I already seen
already on LinkedIn a fewpeople popping up saying they've
completed it.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Oh yeah, and then also they encourage you to go in
and start the repo, and it'salmost 400 stars at this point,
so I think that also is anindication of how many people
walk through it.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
So yeah, yeah, right, so that's one Good work team on
this.
Yeah, yeah, right, so that'sone Good work team on this.
Yeah, yeah, fantastic.
So Eliza and Dave.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Daniel and all the other ones.
Sorry, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, because I was chattingwith Eliza a little bit back and
forth on it and she was, youknow, she was kind of taking a
bit of breather, creating a lotof this content and then, I
guess, diving into the next, thenext realm of it.
So that was pretty exciting.
So the other cool thing that Isaw was if you, if you're, if
you want to, just if you're moreof just a passive learner we're
not even say passive learner,but want a very condensed kind
(12:36):
of step-by-step tutorial.
Reza Darani now, of course weknow Reza.
He puts a YouTube video everyweek.
He's very, very like to thepoint, very methodical.
Here's how you do this, step bystep, very clear, like you can
just go through and follow alongand pause, and it's amazing.
And he did how to build anautonomous agent using Copilot
Studio, a step by step tutorial.
(12:56):
I have the link there.
It's on YouTube and it just tome.
It was like, yeah, this makesperfect sense, you can go
through as a use case.
It just talked about thedifferent points.
So if this is somethingcompletely new to you, that's a
great place to start as well interms of you know that, getting
up to speed on buildingautonomous agents and co-pilot
(13:17):
studio.
It's kind of interesting becausethe reason why you know you're
laughing at me for not doing theco-pilot agent academy, the
reason why you know you'relaughing at me for not doing the
co-pilots to Agent Academy, Iactually took another.
I was taking another onlinecourse that sits outside of the
Microsoft realm.
It was like an AI agent bootcamp from a company called
(13:37):
Lonely Octopus and it'sinteresting to see what the
non-Microsoft people are doingwith all of this and there's
some amazing tools and someother amazing connections, but
at the end of the day, throughthese MCP servers and connectors
, it all can tie together andall these concepts sort of
relate to each other.
So, from a certain aspect, nowis a really, really cool time to
(13:58):
be involved in this, becauseit's all new and we're all
learning.
But it is radically a whole newnew area of, yeah, software
solutions, whatever you want tocall it.
So, yeah, and then there'sstill more.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
There's still more because and I am a bit confused
of who kind of came up with thename first, but Ana Ines Urrutia
de Souza.
She also has a co-pilot studioacademy course out.
So you know who's going to winthe battle of, I think, going up
against Microsoft, maybe a hardbattle and maybe looking into a
(14:35):
new name for your curriculum.
But I think, from what I cantell of the context around this,
is this something that shecreated for maybe a workshop or
training that she kind of canoffer as a, as a trainer.
But also she's uh giving it topeople for free to follow along.
So there's resources and onthis website you can download it
and follow its instructions andlabs, uh, step by step, to go
(14:58):
through and learn about ai andcode by the studio and the
different things you can dothere, and she's always so up
toto-date on the latest features.
So I have another thing fromAnna later on, the show notes as
well.
So that's definitely worth.
So I think, when you're donewith the Agent Academy, which is
probably kind of cover thebasics and get you familiar with
(15:21):
the lingo and what thedifferent things are and give
you kind of that foundationDiving into something from Reza,
for instance, or Ana, would bevery beneficial, because then
you'll probably learn more aboutthe edge cases or the niche
things or the things that are inpreview that probably the
Academy won't cover.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yep, Now you had something else here about my,
about.
You talk about learningjourneys and again, if you're, I
think it's great to share yourown learning journey.
Here's what I learned andhere's where I went to, so you
have a post here my co-pilotstudio learning journey.
Nine AI resources for powerplatform makers from Joel Moran.
Do you want to chat about that?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, no, it's just something I came across on
LinkedIn and I love when peopledo this.
It's a collection of resourcesthat Joel has come across for
co-pilot and agents and kind ofthings that he's dived into
Videos and video series andother kind of so the Power Up
(16:20):
program, for instance.
Power Up program, for instance,and he mentions a video,
another video from Reza Durraniintroducing generative pages,
for instance, and ScottJarrell's vibe code thing that
we mentioned last time is inhere.
So it's just a collection ofresources that Joe found
interesting for Power Platformmakers as they dive into
(16:42):
Cobblestone new learning.
So this is nine AI resourcesfor platform makers.
So, yeah, definitely somethingto check out.
We'll give you kind of a, Ithink, a diverse introduction to
the different things that arepossible In other news.
Do you want to continue thething?
Or because I see I have a lotof things here, so should we
(17:06):
just go top to bottom?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, that probably works best, because some of
these I think some of these areyours.
I haven't checked out yet, soright.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Ok, so there's a video that I saw.
This is one of the things whereI think it's super exciting but
I have no idea what it kind ofunlocks.
But there is a video onLampdine by Scott Juro that
introduced code capabilitieswith Python in prompts in
CodePilot Studio, and from justthat little short video it shows
(17:36):
you how you can get it toupdate Dataverse for you by kind
of reading and understandingdata on a row and then on a
record and then updating anothercolumn on that same thing
automatically without you doinganything.
Or it can grab lots of data andput that into an excel
spreadsheet for you and kind oftransform the data.
(17:56):
And you know it's too.
It's a bit too dev heavy for meto understand, but from what I
saw in the post it was like canthis one day replace Power Fx
functions?
It's like shit.
If it can do that, it's prettypowerful.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Well, I mean.
Python has sort of been thelanguage of AI for a while now
and I think if it's kind ofbeing more public.
We did see bits of this at theMVP Summit.
They talked a bit about Pythona little bit, but Python is one
of those.
It's not a Microsoft-specificlanguage, it goes beyond.
(18:31):
So, quite interestingly, mydaughter is really big into this
video game called StardewValley and she's big into
Minecraft as well.
But Stardew Valley it's one ofthese kind of resource games as
well, but you can extend it.
And she actually went into AI,copilot or whatever and vibe
(18:53):
coded some stuff which generatedPython code for this game which
both my wife and I kind oflooking at her like oh, you're
going to join the familybusiness kind of thing to which
she's kind of like no, no orresist no, no, no, no, so
awesome.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
But yeah, I could, because I also know uh.
You know the lego league typething where they program lego
bots.
That's also running python,from what I understand.
So or you can write python toprogram it with uh, because I
have one of the trainers uh therunning trainers who have work.
He is the leader of one of thetrainers uh the running trainers
you have at work.
He is the leader of one of theteams and he said the girls on
(19:28):
his team was learning and he waslearning python on.
He's a personal trainer, fightby training and and also a
teacher, so and he's learningpython with uh ai on the
evenings.
I was like what's going on?
The whole world is turning intotech people, so yep, wow, if.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
If personal trainers are beginning to learn Python,
then no.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah, but you know.
So this is kind of a tangent,but you know, a low-code
platform as opposed to kind of,yeah, so democratized
programming for everyone,everyone can make these things.
And then now what we're sayingis actually that, in practice,
when anyone not not, you know,when personal trainers can learn
(20:12):
python and actually vibe codethem their way to make stuff
happen I mean, jesus, that'swell.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
So I know we were going from top to bottom, but
I'm going to.
This is a segue.
So I think going from top tobottom, but this is a segue.
So I think we go top to bottomunless we can find a good segue.
So what I talked about beforeabout AI, is not going to take
your job, but Steve Mordu willWell guess who put something up
on freaking GitHub, an actualopen source project.
(20:45):
Our good friend, steve actuallyposted something.
It's a pack, it's called PackEnvironment per Project and it's
a VS Code extension.
Like a VS Code extension thisis Steve that automatically
switches the Power Platform CLIprofiles.
When you switch betweenprojects, each project maintains
its own PIN.
And he did like any gooddeveloper.
(21:07):
He wrote something for himselfthat really bothered him.
So he thought I'm going towrite a solution to this.
And it's about you know, ofcourse, if you've used the PAC
CLI, you know you'd always dealwith auth profiles and then
sometimes you're jumping throughdifferent projects.
Like I do this all the time I'mloading up Visual Studio Code
projects.
Like I do this all the time I'mloading up Visual Studio Code.
I'm like, oh, I got to switchprojects, but I still have my
(21:28):
other project open, whatever,and this will kind of help
switch and manage that.
I haven't installed it yetbecause it literally I saw it
yesterday.
It was more of the shock ofyeah, I know Steve is vibe
coding, but the fact he's nowputting stuff on GitHub for the
world and these projects kind ofblew my mind.
I think George Dubinskycommented as well, kind of like
whoa, what's happening here?
So this is the world we live in.
(21:49):
Steve Mordew is publishing codeon GitHub.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Wow, that's fantastic .
I mean, come on, what more doyou need?
And also, so, if that's notenough, steve writes the code.
And then you have Karsten Grothcoming in, being the world
leading consultant, as he is,and also removing the obstacles
from getting things intoproduction.
Because it's one thing to putCopilot Studios, autonomous
(22:17):
agents together you can put allthe agents in the world, you can
build them, but we still have along way to go until it's
mainstream to have all of thesein production.
And I know this from just ourcustomers and the project that
we're on.
So many customers are verycomfortable with AI and agents,
up until the point where we saywe're going to go live with
(22:37):
something and suddenly there's abit of a threshold, they're not
really ready to go live.
So Carson and girls put a verygood blog post together where he
talks about just this setting.
Where you're in the customersetting, you have a workshop,
you have your agents, you haveeverything good to go, but then
there's something that's holdingthem back.
So what is it?
And he put together he calls ita red team that is putting on
(23:00):
the task in the project.
Okay, what is it that we can dohere to make sure that we feel
like we have the security to golive with this and we feel safe
to go live with this.
And so what they do is they puta list of different things you
can do in order to battle, testyour agents, so trying to break
(23:20):
the internet type of approach tothis and it's a very detailed
list of things you can do theinternet type of approach to
this, and it's a very detailedlist of things you could do, and
they have it on a kind of atime.
They put a timeframe on it.
So this is week one, this isweek two, and then there's a
comment at the bottom.
So you tell me, if we had thisred team three months ago, we
could have been live right Rightfrom the CEO.
(23:41):
And it's true, if you have thissystem in place, you have this
red team in place, that theirjob is to battle, test and try
to break and prompt and breakthese agents and put in
malicious content.
Then you'll feel much safer andhave, like you said, you have,
(24:02):
then, concrete evidence thatthis works instead of just
fragile optimism, which I reallylike.
So this is a great blog postand I think this is the kind of
content that I want to see moreof going forward.
It's like, yeah, the blog postabout well, you can, this is the
code snippet you need to hackyour way to this.
I think the age of those blogposts are a bit behind us.
(24:24):
I think this is the kind ofcontent we want we'll see more
of in the future.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Cool.
Yeah, I saw that too and Ihaven't really read through it,
but I definitely I mean, carsonalways does amazing content and
very timely and everything likethat Because I think we are I'm
beginning to see, like a fewmonths ago, yes, we're talking
about co-pilot agents.
Like a few months ago, yes,we're talking about co-pilot
agents no one's really, from acustomer standpoint, really
there.
Yet Now we're beginning to seethis is coming through and, you
(24:52):
know, potentially working likeworking with another potential
project and we're working withtwo.
It's, yeah, very co-pilotstudio, ai focused going forward
.
So exciting times for sure.
This is perfect stuff to makesure we have that confidence
level.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, absolutely.
And then another kind of thingto be aware of, so this is maybe
okay.
Going top to bottom, the PowerPlatform Classic Admin Center
will be retired on September 4th, so it's one of those small
little announcements that isgood for you to be aware of.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
um, and you can find more information about it on the
on the power platform admincenter itself yeah, and I do
want to point out, just to make,just not to freak anybody out
um, this is the power platformadmin center.
This is where you manageenvironments and go through
settings and see your analyticsand you assign licenses and but
that stuff that's different fromthe classic solution explorer
(25:53):
and that old classic thingthat's not quite going away yet,
because I, in a presentation Idid in denver, actually, I said,
oh, by the way, everybody knowsthat the power platform in mid
center is going away and onelady completely out, but how are
we going to map that field?
And I'm going no, no, no, no,no.
That will be around for a whileyet, don't you worry, because,
(26:13):
yeah, it doesn't covereverything.
So yeah, let's just sort ofmake sure everybody's clear.
This is the Admin Center, soyeah, and it's basically if it
yep, definitely so it's a changeto be aware of.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
And then another small change, um, that may freak
you out is when level up or godmode app suddenly changes its
appearance.
So, luckily for us, anna blackwas here to to save the day and
give us a bit of a warning thatthe level up tool has got has
got an update.
So don't freak out everybody.
(26:54):
It's okay, and she points outin her LinkedIn post that it
hasn't had a facelift since 2023.
And in our world that's like adinosaur type thing if it hasn't
been updated in two years.
So it's just a UI change, asfar as I can tell.
Did you see any new updates tothe tooling itself?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, so actually, the developer of this and I'm
just trying to find my ownLinkedIn link on this Natraj,
who's a super smart guy I methim a couple of years ago at MVP
Summit and we've had a fewinteractions in the past and who
basically is the person whobuilt this tool, began to make
some updates and then I think herealized he did cause a bit of
a kerfuffle with this and istrying desperately to fix it, so
(27:39):
it's better.
So, yeah, I have seen that andI'll try to locate those posts
that we can put in our shownotes as well.
So, yeah, awesome Anna for likehow she.
You know, this is what we do asa community.
We kind of dive in and we helpeach other out.
But I do know that Natraj isstill very much involved with
putting the like.
The level up tool is.
If it was like take extra Mtoolbox out of the equation,
(28:02):
level up is the next must havetool.
I think everybody has it pinned.
Or, if you don't check it out,despite all these little hiccups
, it's a game changer.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, and so from what I can understand from
anna's post, this is just for umI almost said bing for edge,
and it's uh.
So the old version will stillbe um in chrome and then, if you
want to look at, the newversion is still in edge and
there's a few little commentshere and there about the
impersonation mode not beingfully baked and a few little
bugs here and there about theimpersonation mode not being
fully baked and a few littlebugs here and there.
So maybe it's a bit of a tryingwith the edge users first to
(28:39):
see how it kind of sticks andthen moving it to chrome.
Later we'll see.
Yeah, we'll keep an eye on itfor you, yeah for sure, um, yeah
, and so looking down the yeah,so I said I was going to mention
something else from Ana InesUrrutia de Zuza today.
I practiced her name and listento the LinkedIn thing.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Did you know that?
Speaker 1 (29:00):
you can.
Yeah, I know right.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
We love.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Ana as a best friend, so you can go in on LinkedIn,
and a lot of people uploadedthem saying their name on
LinkedIn, which is reallyhelpful when you have people
that you're not really sureabout their names.
I've practiced on his name andit rolls off the tongue.
I love it, so it's it feelsvery good to say on his name, so
that's why I keep saying itRight?
(29:25):
So the other thing that Iwanted to highlight from Ana
this week was how she talksabout the document outputs from
prompts.
So when Scott was talking aboutthe Python thing and the new
code mode for prompts, anna'stalking about the output mode,
because you can output as text,as JSON and also as document,
(29:49):
which is in preview.
So this is where you're inCodePilot Studio and you add a
tool and then tools.
You can add prompts from promptlibrary, create your own, or
you can choose from the existingones and then you create a new
prompt and then you can choosehow it's going to be outputted.
Now, if you choose document,you can upload a Word document
and then you can set.
If you create your Worddocument correctly it doesn't
(30:12):
work with PDF yet, but only forWord and you use the brackets
that you can then tie that toyour prompt so that you can grab
data from Dataverse, forinstance, and then you can
populate it in the right placein the document and AI will do
that mapping for you.
You just have to make it verylogical for it to understand
where it goes, and this meansthat.
So the scenario she's kind ofcreating was when someone
(30:36):
creates a new item in the listin SharePoint, for instance, a
Power Automate triggers on thatevent and then it triggers that
prompt and AI goes in and fillsin that document for you with
those parameters and send it toyou or someone in your company
as an email.
So that's kind of the scenarioand I love this.
It's in preview, so you have tokind of can't use it in
(30:58):
production yet, but this has alot of potential and just
imagine how much work, how manyhours per day globally is spent
filling in document templateswith information.
I mean Jesus Christ.
So this is one of those hugefor me at least, from where I'm
(31:19):
sitting time savers.
This is massive.
So very good and thank you forbringing that to the surface,
anna.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, I immediately.
I'm thinking of a scenario thatI need something like this for,
so this is very timely.
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Very cool, yeah, do you want to do the PowerPages
stuff first before I go all outon typography?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Oh yeah, ok yeah.
So before we do the font nerds,the font nerd alert everybody
in a few minutes.
So a couple of things showed upon in PowerPages so we all know
we can build single pageapplications in PowerPages.
That's still in preview, butthat's a thing we've talked
about already before and there'ssome good examples on the
(32:10):
Microsoft has provided Plus wetalked about last week as well.
Now what?
Neeraaj nandwana, who's one ofthe pms at microsoft and I
worked with um near ash beforesuper great guy.
He came out with a post andthey're building, uh, some these
single page applications usinggithub spark.
So this is really cool becausethis provided me an opportunity
(32:31):
to try github spark, which isthe another one of these AI code
generation tools, but it'sbuilt within GitHub and Visual
Studio and I went in kind offollowed the sort of the
tutorial they gave and it wasjust sort of blew me away, the
amazing things and I kind ofwent and followed the example
where you just kind of pick oneof the examples they give.
So it generated this wholesingle page application but then
(32:54):
from there we can immediatelyupload it into PowerPages and
have it run within the contextof PowerPages.
It was like wow, it took memaybe like 20 minutes to kind of
go through this, but in that 20minutes I learned so many new
things about GitHub, spark,about single page applications
and how it all worked and, ofcourse, opened my mind to a
whole bunch of new possibilitiesthat we can do with PowerPages.
(33:16):
So I haven't, unfortunately.
I had all big plans to continueto tie it into Dataverse, get
the authentication going and ofcourse I was traveling last week
and everything and just sort of.
There's only so many hours inthe day, but this is something
I'm definitely going to circleback to, because I just think
this is sort of the wayPowerPages is going to a certain
extent.
So definitely check that out.
(33:37):
And then the other thing fromanother PM from Microsoft,
nagash Bhatt, who again I workwith Nagash as well, like these
two got.
Every week I'd have a standingmeeting with the PMs, with
Nagash and Neeraj and a fewothers, and it was a highlight
of my time at Microsoft justtalking to these guys, seeing
what they're working on, whatall the new stuff they were
dreaming up, and they haven'tstopped since I left.
(33:59):
They keep coming up with things.
This is about building andextending agents directly from
PowerPages Studio.
So if you have those boringforms or those big, tedious
forms that you're putting onyour page, well, now there's a
little button you can click andit will go through and create an
agent.
Now I kind of went and tried itout myself.
I actually did a video thisweek on my YouTube channel and
(34:21):
my post of going through thatprocess.
It's very simple You're fillingin a form, but of course, this
opens up the possibilities.
Now that you have this agent,there's so many things you can
do and I think this is justgoing to be a much better
experience for end users interms of, like the multi-step
forms that we've done in termsof collecting information, in
terms of getting co-pilot to godo other things, as opposed to
(34:42):
just launching different flowsor workflows.
Now we can get this agent to goand pull information or go and
update this information usingthe action.
So all of that good stuffwithin the context of a
PowerPages site.
So all of that good stuffwithin the context of a
PowerPages site.
So that little chat bot in thebottom right-hand corner, I
think, is going to be more andmore powerful.
This is just beginning to showthe early steps into these
(35:04):
possibilities, so definitelycheck that out, the blog and the
(35:26):
documentation.
Or, if you know, again,shameless self-promotion.
I have a whole walkthroughwhere I've set this up in terms
of creating the agent on aPowerPages site, so you can
check that out as well.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Yeah this is something that really gets our
customers excited, because thisopens up, like you said, a whole
new way of interacting withdata in Dataverse.
So imagine this is public oryou're behind authentication
even and it allows you toactually communicate with your
data through an agent.
So now I'm waiting for theopportunity to create a new kind
(35:59):
of page on power pages beingthe agent page, which will give
you, or the chat page, whichwill give you, the same
experience as you used to fromcallbot studio marxical but
sorry or chat tpt, so kind ofbeing able to enhance on that
experience.
Because, like I said, it'sstill hidden away in the corner
underneath that chatbot icon,which I, for one at least,
(36:24):
associate with the PBA, thePowerWidget agents, and we
associate that with the stupidbot that we used to have.
So I'm looking for a way tokind of improve on that
association, to bring it out asa side panel at least, or have
it actually take over your wholepage to give you that chat
experience.
That's kind of next level andwhat I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yeah, that's what I kind of expected, because when
you convert your form into anagent within the design studio,
it just says preview notavailable, which we've seen
before.
I kind of and maybe I was overoptimistic or maybe looking
forward but I thought on thatpage I would see that agent
within the context of where theform used to be, but it just
came up blank.
(37:07):
So I actually I kind of wentback and forth with the project
product team directly you knowMVP privilege to say, okay,
where am I supposed to be seeingthis agent?
And he goes oh, it's still inthe chat bot.
That's where you have to selectit.
And then you also have to havethe site agent enabled as well
currently, because they'retrying to work through that.
(37:28):
So you actually see both ofthose bots available.
So you have to choose that newagent that you've created.
So hopefully they're I thinkthey're already said they're
going to clean that up, makethat a little bit more elegant.
Like I said, it is preview, so,but it's a case of trying
things out and seeing what works.
But of course you see thevision where they're going.
So, yeah, I agree with you.
Like I should be able to go tomy site and immediately be
(37:51):
greeted, like at the door, bythis agent.
How can I help you, nick?
That's our vision right there.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, that's what I want to see and we're going to
get there.
I'm sure Just need to be ableto edit and customize the
experience for one, right?
So and then moving on andsegwaying beautifully over to
customizing the experience withtypography Anna, I love it.
So whenever Anna's postinganything about typography, I
know the cat's nighter and I go,yeah, typography, because we're
(38:23):
just so fun nerds.
But Anna put out on LinkedIn oneof those document things that
you can flip through, talkingabout typography and how
incredibly important that is tothe visual aesthetics of your
site but also navigating thecontent.
So being consistent, andthere's a few fundamental rules
there that I love seeing herkind of highlighting, because I
(38:45):
think it's something that I'mtrained on, but I don't think a
lot of people actually knowabout this.
So as you flip through,suddenly there's a page where it
says you read this first, andit's because it's the biggest
and most central piece of texton the page, and then you read
this second.
It says and yes, you'reabsolutely right, so you can
actually guide the user's eyethrough a page using typography
(39:06):
in these different visual keysor cues for the eyes and the
brain to actually follow yoursite in a good way.
So it's about information,architecture and structure,
which I absolutely love.
So this speaks to my heart andI really wanted to highlight it.
Anna, well done and keep thecontent coming.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah.
So I know how excited you geton fonts.
So if you, yeah, this isdefinitely your thing.
I've seen you multiple timesget all really excited on fonts
and I was actually watching anepisode of Brooklyn Nine-Nine
last night.
I'm not sure if you're familiarwith that show, but at one
point one of the characters, amy, gives the chief, captain Holt,
(39:47):
a letter and he said this isvery well written, very well
articulated, an excellent choiceof font.
So I just thought of you whenyou said that.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
So anyways, I love it .
I have a cue in your head, sowhenever you hear the word font,
you think of me.
I love it.
I wish, I wish I knew all theother keywords I bet there are
multiple ones.
Fantastic, oh, that's awesome.
All right, so just a few littlethings before we round off,
(40:23):
because I know that you have ahuge chunk of AI written content
here that you want to getthrough, which is your homework
from last time.
But other AI news I just wantedto say I saw Copilot Action is
currently available to sign andcopilot pro users worldwide, but
not in the European EconomicArea, eea but it is a way for
you to connect your co-pilot toyour credentials and your credit
(40:46):
card to actually now allow itto book things on your behalf.
So the thing that we've beentalking about, that's been kind
of a pipe dream.
It is really really here, notin the EU here, but in your part
of the world.
I'm sure it's going to light upany day now.
So it's under the MicrosoftCopilot Experimental Labs.
(41:10):
You'll find Copilot Actions.
So you can now create yourco-pilot agent or your own.
You kind of enable that and usethat in your chat, if you
wanted to, to have it bookthings on your behalf.
So for anyone who's waiting forthat, it is around the corner.
Um, and then there's stuff tocheck out.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
So does that mean if I set this up, I might just
expect a bunch of Amazonpackages on my doorstep because
my co-pilots decided I needcertain things?
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Probably a lot of barbells and whistles and stuff.
Oh yeah, or maybe it's actually.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Well, there's this mouth guard.
I bought a ton of stuff at thisevent last week, but that's
whole Anyways.
That's a ton of stuff at thisevent last week, but that's
whole Anyways.
That's a whole other podcast.
That's a whole other podcast,yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Right, so the rest of the floor is yours, because we
said last time that you weregoing to read up on the Reactor
what is Microsoft?
Reactor Nick.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
So I asked this friend of mine called his name
is Copilot, or they're calledCopilot and really what it is.
Microsoft Reactor, a globalcommunity initiated by Microsoft
, designed to support developers, startups, tech enthusiasts in
learning, connecting andbuilding with cutting edge
technologies, especially inareas like AI, cloud computing
(42:33):
and app development.
So it goes through.
I'm not going to go through allof this, but where the program
offers learning opportunities,they host live and virtual
events.
So I know this is what wetalked about, about there being
reactors and Microsoft offices.
There's workshops, trainingsessions.
Of course, community engagement.
I mean, this is what we do allthe time.
You know where you can have thecommunity hub.
(42:54):
You know developers andentrepreneurs.
They can network with jointdiscussion forums, work in open
source projects.
There's startup support forstartups.
So if you have a startup, theirreactor provides some resources
for that.
And, of course, accessibility.
So, yes, there's virtually andglobally.
So there are ways to accessthis virtually or on.
(43:15):
You know insight, multiplelanguage, on-demand viewing so
there's a whole website aroundthat.
So, basically, yes, I did myhomework.
I did, I found out all aboutAll about the Microsoft Reactor.
So it's really cool and I thinkit's something we've already
sort of known about, but we justnever really knew about the
details about the whole ins andouts around the Microsoft
Reactor.
So we'll have a link in theshow notes to, so you can kind
(43:37):
of check out my homework.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yep, definitely.
Thank you so much for doingthat homework.
So that's it for today.
We just wanted to round offwith a bit of an ask.
So we're going to do some.
We're going to see if we can dosome live podcasts this autumn.
(44:02):
We're not going to give youmore specific details, but we
are going to a few conferencesand I'm going to try to do a
live boost podcast for you, andalso it would be very fun to do
a bingo chart.
So we would want all of you tocomment on the post where you
say this or send us a message,on whatever platform you choose,
(44:23):
with words that you associatewith the Boost podcast, and that
can be anything from cat torant, to Hudson to I don't know
what.
There's so many things tochoose from.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
I think it talks about fonts.
We would love it if that'sbingo yeah, out in a boat.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
So if we can have words on the bingo chart from
all and I know that Nick's wifehas done this bingo chart
already so if you guys don'tgive us anything, bridge is done
with the bingo chart.
So this is your way of kind ofinjecting words into the already
existing bingo chart.
But we will love it if we hadwords in there for you and we'll
(45:02):
create Nick's going to wipecode an app which is going to be
the interactive bingo chart andyou can see live when we do
that or something.
I heard him say that one time.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Sure, yeah, absolutely.
He has all the time in theworld.
If Steve could do it, anybodycan.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
You have a fair point and you just talked yourself
into actually doing it, so thankyou for that.
I really appreciate it Awesome.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
So anything else you wanted to mention before we
close this off?
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Just a quick little shout out to a good, awesome, so
anything else you wanted tomention before we close this off
, or sorry, the AI agent andco-pilot podcast.
He joked about how he has likeeight viewers, so hopefully we
can give him a few more as wellon this, but it was.
We chatted about AI uses,development and PowerPages,
(46:05):
specifically the efficienciesand some of the new ways of
thinking that kind of thing.
It was a good, it was a greatchat with Sean.
He said I keep this, you know,to like, you know, maybe 15
minutes and I kind of oh hey, weended up going for a little bit
longer.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
How is that possible?
And he interviews people.
I mean what?
I need to check this out.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
So when he said that I'm like, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
So, anyways was that's out, now we have some, we
have some.
Check that out to do yeah andthen of course, we have a whole
whack of events coming up thatwe have a whole whack of events
coming up.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
A quick little thing boost 100 gives you a discount
for the power platform communityConference in Las Vegas.
So if you have not signed upyet, definitely get that
discount code in.
So there's that.
And then the other thing I amdoing a session in my hometown
of Ottawa, but that got moved aweek up because Microsoft AI
(47:13):
Tour is coming to town, whichwas kind of exciting in its own
self, but that also moved thatcommunity event, the Microsoft
365 Ottawa.
It's now, I think, september26th or 27th, but if you're
planning on going to that onOctober 3rd, it won't be there.
It will be the AI Tour, whichwill also be very cool, but just
be aware of that.
So, and then there's a wholewhack of other things Nordic
(47:35):
Summit, expert Lives, balticSummit, collab Days, a whole
bunch of stuff.
I'll be giving out ducks.
See you there.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
You can see all the details in the show notes.
Hope to see you there.
Right, so next episode will beon.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
It says that's probably the wrong one September
10th, perfect September 10th,perfect September 10th.
How does that make you feel?
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah, like it always makes me feel I go.
Where did the year go?
Where did the time go?
Exactly Right.
Have an awesome time, people,and we'll catch you next time.
Bye-bye, all right, bye.
Thank you next time.
Bye-bye, all right, bye.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Thank you for listening.
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See you next time.
a low-code platform, as opposed to kind of yeah, so
democratize programming foreveryone, everyone can make
these things.
And then now what we're seeingis actually that, in practice,
when anyone not you know whenpersonal trainers can learn
Python and actually vibe codetheir way to make stuff happen I
(00:22):
mean, jesus, that's.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
What I talked about before about AI is not going to
take your job, but Steve Mordewwill Well guess who put
something up on freaking GitHub,an actual open source project.
Like any good developer, hewrote something for himself that
really bothered him, so hethought I'm going to write a
solution to this.
(00:43):
Yeah, I know, Steve isviability, but the fact he's now
putting stuff on GitHub for theworld and these projects kind
of blew my mind.
I think this is the world welive in.
Steve Mardu is publishing codeon GitHub.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Wow.
Hello everyone and welcome tothe Power Platform Boost podcast
(01:22):
, your timely source of PowerPlatform news and updates, with
your hosts, nick Dolman andUlrike Ackerbeck.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
All right, here we are for another episode of the
Power Platform Boost podcast.
We're still calling it that wehaven't discussed name changes
yet.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Oh, we've discussed it.
We just haven't settled yet,but I think we're going to.
If I end up with Manana, Ithink we're going to just end up
being Boost podcast and then wecan boost whatever we want.
It's very transferable.
We can boost food andrestaurants when we go traveling
, we can boost AI and Copilot,studio News, whoop, whoop
Represent, et cetera, et cetera.
(02:07):
Exactly, community boost.
Speaking of community boost.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
that could work too.
It might depend on domain nameavailability as well as
everything, so that means.
I have to look and book itbefore we release the episode,
because people might just gopark it and charge us lots of
money, like the person who ownspowerpagescom.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Well, he's out of luck soon, but he doesn't know.
But you know, that's how longdo you think he's going to be
named, that they change the name?
Of this stuff every two years.
It's overdue.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, they're about due for a name change on
everything across the board.
Yep, who knows, who knows, whoknows?
Cool, so how are you doing?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
oh, I'm good.
I'm good.
We have a second wave of, sothis is weather talk.
I say I'm good and then it'salways about the weather because
I I just listening back to someof the episodes, I realized how
dependent on the weather I am.
And then everything about meclicks into place because, you
know, half of the year there'sno sun here and I'm depressed
from November until March, whichmakes sense because my mood is
(03:14):
dependent on the weather.
So you know, that's me.
What's your week been like?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
So it's been good.
And speaking of the weather,like I went for a walk this
morning before the sun came upand I come back I'm drenched in
sweat Like I ran a mile, but Ijust went for a walk.
So we have high temperatures,high humidity here.
We need rain, Our lawns aregetting pretty brown, but I mean
, that's summer in Canada,that's not completely unusual.
(03:44):
Uh, it's been good.
I was in Colorado last week, soshout out to the folks that I
saw there.
Um went to watch the strongmancompetition, met some of my
heroes right up close.
Um, for anybody who knowsstrongman, that kind of I don't
know community or whatever youwant to call it.
Um, yeah, community or whateveryou want to call it.
Yeah, saw like up close BrianShaw, Eddie Hall, Nick Best, Tom
(04:09):
Stoltman Like some of these arehuge names in Strongman and it
was really, really cool and myfriend, Andrea, who she still
does business central work.
She power lifted, so I wascoaching her.
She did really, really well,broke some records, so that was
a lot of fun.
And then, of course, saw Julieand David Yak, good friends of
(04:31):
ours I know, Julie, you don'tlisten to podcasts and Dave, but
hello anyway.
And did the Dynamics user groupin Denver on the Thursday.
So I met a lot of folks thereand did a couple sessions, Of
course, one on PowerPages, oneon the Power Platform Plan
Designer and a lot ofinteresting talks and
discussions there.
(04:52):
A lot of interesting sessionsas well.
So pretty cool and probably thebest session, the opening
session the guy talked about.
You know it was kind of billedas talk about the co-pilot PCs
and what you can do with yourco-pilot laptop.
So we covered a little bit aboutthis but then went into a whole
thing about how to set up yourWindows desktop and laptop
(05:14):
effectively and got onto thislittle crazy rant to the point
he said I know you people thinkI'm crazy about removing the
Microsoft Store icon from thetaskbar.
Him crazy about removing theMicrosoft Store icon from the
taskbar.
So to the point where he wasshowing videos of him removing
the Microsoft or Windows Storeicon from computers in Costco,
for example.
(05:34):
And then he's showing a videosaying his brother-in-law had
like a bit of a heart episode,but he's okay, but in the
hospital, him going removing theMicrosoft Store icon from the
computers where they'reconnected to everything.
So it was, it was funny.
He goes on this little diatribeon this stuff, but a lot of
great tips just on using Windows, like who would have thought
(05:54):
how to use the voice commandsand things like this.
So it really changed how Ireally.
So I went into my computer,rearranged how I got my desktop
and my icon set up, Plus learnedabout a whole bunch of new
features that I can use on myco-pilot laptop.
So that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Wow, you should make a write a blog post about it or
create a video about it, causenow I'm intrigued.
I think I'm doing it wrong andalso I love people on a mission
like that.
It's like it's my life missionto.
Whenever I see that icon,permission to.
Whenever I see that icon, I'mgoing to remove it.
It's like, well, you have acalling, then whatever you go.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
It's like, oh, I'm going to just so.
He started off his session withhe said it was a poll.
He said and it was from hey,what do you think of me so far?
And it's sort of the questionis like well, you seem okay.
All the way to the very lastquestion, was you need help?
And of course when he opened upwith this, everybody kind of
pulled yeah, you seem okay, itseems interesting.
And then at the end of thatlittle session it was sort of
(06:53):
like he said, well, we're kindof running short on time, but
here's a typical response and ofcourse you need psychological
help was like huge.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Fantastic.
We should do that for thepodcast as well, because as we
rant on, people are going like,ok, they're crazy, that makes a
whole lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
How can they rant?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
about the same thing every second week.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, get getting help, and this is my segue into
everything probably a number onequestion that I mean I'm
getting asked at events, and youprobably see this as well as
like, okay, copilot Studio, howdo we get ramped up, how do we
start building agents off?
(07:43):
Learn sometimes seems to be alittle bit behind.
Of all, the new updates isconstantly evolving, so this
week I'm looking at our list.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
We have a shit ton of resources of on getting ramped
up on co-pilot studio andbuilding agents, so let's uh,
we're ready to dive into that ohyeah, absolutely, and this is
so perfect timing for me as well, personally, because I've, or I
thought I was going to havesome time on my hands to kind of
ramp up all these things,because it's it's kind of
(08:09):
outside of my natural scope.
But I think everyone needs toramp up on this stuff, even
though you kind of work onsomething else in your everyday
job.
This is something you need toknow about.
So let's just talk aboutCopilot Studio Agent Academy
first of all, which I thinkmaybe is the biggest
announcement across the boardthis week.
It was launched.
(08:31):
Was it Monday?
No, last week, so that would beWednesday last week, so this is
Wednesday, so a week ago.
When this is published.
It's created by the advocacyteam and it's published on
GitHub created by the advocacyteam and it's published on
github, and it's a newcurriculum, uh, complete kind of
academy curriculum for rampingup on copilot studio.
(08:51):
So have you gone through it yet?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
no, I haven't, but I'm definitely aware of it.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Really, I was so sure , because you always beat me at
these things, because actually Iwent through half of it.
And then we had an emergency atwork so I had to kind of dive in
to save the day.
But this is fantastic and it'snot just a click here do this,
do that.
It's taking you through.
It's a real curriculum.
(09:19):
It takes you through the basics, the theory, everything you
need to know.
Of course, it's all AI writtenright.
Takes you through the basics,the theory, everything you need
to know.
Of course it's all AI writtenright.
But it's also it's full ofemojis and kind of bullet lists.
But also it's very to the pointand I found that reading
through it didn't take a lot oftime and it gives you just what
you need to understand whatyou're doing and why and also
(09:39):
the possibilities around right.
So it will say something likethis is the way we're
configuring it here, becausethis and that, but also realize
you can do this, this or this aswell if you have this kind of
scenario.
So it's, I find it's so good.
And also, if you want to kindof get a walk through before you
dive in the partner communitycall last Thursday was the day
(10:05):
after it was published.
Uh, the advocacy team did awalkthrough, scott Giro did a
walkthrough of the first um tierof this kind of curriculum.
So there's three tiers.
Did they call it tiers Um?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
or missions, aren't they?
Isn't it missions?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
tiers, um, or missions aren't, isn't it?
Missions, missions, maybe?
Yeah, so you do the first onefirst.
Um, oh, jesus, can't this just?
Oh, sorry, it's on my otherscreen um, so you do the.
The first one is recruit, sothat's the one that's available
now.
I think they have operative, uh, which is going to be the next
one, um, and I.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
And the cool thing too, is if you're one of these
folks that like badges, you canwin or gain badges at this, yeah
, recruit operative andcommander.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Thank you, I got my computer back, so yeah, that's
the one.
So operative is around thecorner and I know they're
working on the commander as well, and I don't think they're
working on the commander as well.
Uh and no, and I don't thinkeveryone gets a badge.
Actually, I think it's thefirst 100 people to get through
the recruit and take a pictureand send it to them will get the
badge a credibly badge.
I'm not sure why it'srestricted to only the 100 first
(11:17):
.
Honestly, that's what scottsaid in the walkthrough.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
But, um, yeah, it's got to be very yeah, it's got to
be something special, right,because it's like, if you hand
it out to everybody, it's likeparticipation medals, right, if
you hand it out to everybody,it's not special, so it's got to
be to that.
Now, I'm guessing the top 100will be taken by the time this
episode drops.
(11:40):
I'm pretty sure it actuallywould be, because I already seen
already on LinkedIn a fewpeople popping up saying they've
completed it.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Oh yeah, and then also they encourage you to go in
and start the repo, and it'salmost 400 stars at this point,
so I think that also is anindication of how many people
walk through it.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
So yeah, yeah, right, so that's one Good work team on
this.
Yeah, yeah, right, so that'sone Good work team on this.
Yeah, yeah, fantastic.
So Eliza and Dave.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Daniel and all the other ones.
Sorry, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, because I was chattingwith Eliza a little bit back and
forth on it and she was, youknow, she was kind of taking a
bit of breather, creating a lotof this content and then, I
guess, diving into the next, thenext realm of it.
So that was pretty exciting.
So the other cool thing that Isaw was if you, if you're, if
you want to, just if you're moreof just a passive learner we're
not even say passive learner,but want a very condensed kind
(12:36):
of step-by-step tutorial.
Reza Darani now, of course weknow Reza.
He puts a YouTube video everyweek.
He's very, very like to thepoint, very methodical.
Here's how you do this, step bystep, very clear, like you can
just go through and follow alongand pause, and it's amazing.
And he did how to build anautonomous agent using Copilot
Studio, a step by step tutorial.
(12:56):
I have the link there.
It's on YouTube and it just tome.
It was like, yeah, this makesperfect sense, you can go
through as a use case.
It just talked about thedifferent points.
So if this is somethingcompletely new to you, that's a
great place to start as well interms of you know that, getting
up to speed on buildingautonomous agents and co-pilot
(13:17):
studio.
It's kind of interesting becausethe reason why you know you're
laughing at me for not doing theco-pilot agent academy, the
reason why you know you'relaughing at me for not doing the
co-pilots to Agent Academy, Iactually took another.
I was taking another onlinecourse that sits outside of the
Microsoft realm.
It was like an AI agent bootcamp from a company called
(13:37):
Lonely Octopus and it'sinteresting to see what the
non-Microsoft people are doingwith all of this and there's
some amazing tools and someother amazing connections, but
at the end of the day, throughthese MCP servers and connectors
, it all can tie together andall these concepts sort of
relate to each other.
So, from a certain aspect, nowis a really, really cool time to
(13:58):
be involved in this, becauseit's all new and we're all
learning.
But it is radically a whole newnew area of, yeah, software
solutions, whatever you want tocall it.
So, yeah, and then there'sstill more.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
There's still more because and I am a bit confused
of who kind of came up with thename first, but Ana Ines Urrutia
de Souza.
She also has a co-pilot studioacademy course out.
So you know who's going to winthe battle of, I think, going up
against Microsoft, maybe a hardbattle and maybe looking into a
(14:35):
new name for your curriculum.
But I think, from what I cantell of the context around this,
is this something that shecreated for maybe a workshop or
training that she kind of canoffer as a, as a trainer.
But also she's uh giving it topeople for free to follow along.
So there's resources and onthis website you can download it
and follow its instructions andlabs, uh, step by step, to go
(14:58):
through and learn about ai andcode by the studio and the
different things you can dothere, and she's always so up
toto-date on the latest features.
So I have another thing fromAnna later on, the show notes as
well.
So that's definitely worth.
So I think, when you're donewith the Agent Academy, which is
probably kind of cover thebasics and get you familiar with
(15:21):
the lingo and what thedifferent things are and give
you kind of that foundationDiving into something from Reza,
for instance, or Ana, would bevery beneficial, because then
you'll probably learn more aboutthe edge cases or the niche
things or the things that are inpreview that probably the
Academy won't cover.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yep, Now you had something else here about my,
about.
You talk about learningjourneys and again, if you're, I
think it's great to share yourown learning journey.
Here's what I learned andhere's where I went to, so you
have a post here my co-pilotstudio learning journey.
Nine AI resources for powerplatform makers from Joel Moran.
Do you want to chat about that?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, no, it's just something I came across on
LinkedIn and I love when peopledo this.
It's a collection of resourcesthat Joel has come across for
co-pilot and agents and kind ofthings that he's dived into
Videos and video series andother kind of so the Power Up
(16:20):
program, for instance.
Power Up program, for instance,and he mentions a video,
another video from Reza Durraniintroducing generative pages,
for instance, and ScottJarrell's vibe code thing that
we mentioned last time is inhere.
So it's just a collection ofresources that Joe found
interesting for Power Platformmakers as they dive into
(16:42):
Cobblestone new learning.
So this is nine AI resourcesfor platform makers.
So, yeah, definitely somethingto check out.
We'll give you kind of a, Ithink, a diverse introduction to
the different things that arepossible In other news.
Do you want to continue thething?
Or because I see I have a lotof things here, so should we
(17:06):
just go top to bottom?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, that probably works best, because some of
these I think some of these areyours.
I haven't checked out yet, soright.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Ok, so there's a video that I saw.
This is one of the things whereI think it's super exciting but
I have no idea what it kind ofunlocks.
But there is a video onLampdine by Scott Juro that
introduced code capabilitieswith Python in prompts in
CodePilot Studio, and from justthat little short video it shows
(17:36):
you how you can get it toupdate Dataverse for you by kind
of reading and understandingdata on a row and then on a
record and then updating anothercolumn on that same thing
automatically without you doinganything.
Or it can grab lots of data andput that into an excel
spreadsheet for you and kind oftransform the data.
(17:56):
And you know it's too.
It's a bit too dev heavy for meto understand, but from what I
saw in the post it was like canthis one day replace Power Fx
functions?
It's like shit.
If it can do that, it's prettypowerful.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Well, I mean.
Python has sort of been thelanguage of AI for a while now
and I think if it's kind ofbeing more public.
We did see bits of this at theMVP Summit.
They talked a bit about Pythona little bit, but Python is one
of those.
It's not a Microsoft-specificlanguage, it goes beyond.
(18:31):
So, quite interestingly, mydaughter is really big into this
video game called StardewValley and she's big into
Minecraft as well.
But Stardew Valley it's one ofthese kind of resource games as
well, but you can extend it.
And she actually went into AI,copilot or whatever and vibe
(18:53):
coded some stuff which generatedPython code for this game which
both my wife and I kind oflooking at her like oh, you're
going to join the familybusiness kind of thing to which
she's kind of like no, no orresist no, no, no, no, so
awesome.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
But yeah, I could, because I also know uh.
You know the lego league typething where they program lego
bots.
That's also running python,from what I understand.
So or you can write python toprogram it with uh, because I
have one of the trainers uh therunning trainers who have work.
He is the leader of one of thetrainers uh the running trainers
you have at work.
He is the leader of one of theteams and he said the girls on
(19:28):
his team was learning and he waslearning python on.
He's a personal trainer, fightby training and and also a
teacher, so and he's learningpython with uh ai on the
evenings.
I was like what's going on?
The whole world is turning intotech people, so yep, wow, if.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
If personal trainers are beginning to learn Python,
then no.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah, but you know.
So this is kind of a tangent,but you know, a low-code
platform as opposed to kind of,yeah, so democratized
programming for everyone,everyone can make these things.
And then now what we're sayingis actually that, in practice,
when anyone not not, you know,when personal trainers can learn
(20:12):
python and actually vibe codethem their way to make stuff
happen I mean, jesus, that'swell.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
So I know we were going from top to bottom, but
I'm going to.
This is a segue.
So I think going from top tobottom, but this is a segue.
So I think we go top to bottomunless we can find a good segue.
So what I talked about beforeabout AI, is not going to take
your job, but Steve Mordu willWell guess who put something up
on freaking GitHub, an actualopen source project.
(20:45):
Our good friend, steve actuallyposted something.
It's a pack, it's called PackEnvironment per Project and it's
a VS Code extension.
Like a VS Code extension thisis Steve that automatically
switches the Power Platform CLIprofiles.
When you switch betweenprojects, each project maintains
its own PIN.
And he did like any gooddeveloper.
(21:07):
He wrote something for himselfthat really bothered him.
So he thought I'm going towrite a solution to this.
And it's about you know, ofcourse, if you've used the PAC
CLI, you know you'd always dealwith auth profiles and then
sometimes you're jumping throughdifferent projects.
Like I do this all the time I'mloading up Visual Studio Code
projects.
Like I do this all the time I'mloading up Visual Studio Code.
I'm like, oh, I got to switchprojects, but I still have my
(21:28):
other project open, whatever,and this will kind of help
switch and manage that.
I haven't installed it yetbecause it literally I saw it
yesterday.
It was more of the shock ofyeah, I know Steve is vibe
coding, but the fact he's nowputting stuff on GitHub for the
world and these projects kind ofblew my mind.
I think George Dubinskycommented as well, kind of like
whoa, what's happening here?
So this is the world we live in.
(21:49):
Steve Mordew is publishing codeon GitHub.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Wow, that's fantastic .
I mean, come on, what more doyou need?
And also, so, if that's notenough, steve writes the code.
And then you have Karsten Grothcoming in, being the world
leading consultant, as he is,and also removing the obstacles
from getting things intoproduction.
Because it's one thing to putCopilot Studios, autonomous
(22:17):
agents together you can put allthe agents in the world, you can
build them, but we still have along way to go until it's
mainstream to have all of thesein production.
And I know this from just ourcustomers and the project that
we're on.
So many customers are verycomfortable with AI and agents,
up until the point where we saywe're going to go live with
(22:37):
something and suddenly there's abit of a threshold, they're not
really ready to go live.
So Carson and girls put a verygood blog post together where he
talks about just this setting.
Where you're in the customersetting, you have a workshop,
you have your agents, you haveeverything good to go, but then
there's something that's holdingthem back.
So what is it?
And he put together he calls ita red team that is putting on
(23:00):
the task in the project.
Okay, what is it that we can dohere to make sure that we feel
like we have the security to golive with this and we feel safe
to go live with this.
And so what they do is they puta list of different things you
can do in order to battle, testyour agents, so trying to break
(23:20):
the internet type of approach tothis and it's a very detailed
list of things you can do theinternet type of approach to
this, and it's a very detailedlist of things you could do, and
they have it on a kind of atime.
They put a timeframe on it.
So this is week one, this isweek two, and then there's a
comment at the bottom.
So you tell me, if we had thisred team three months ago, we
could have been live right Rightfrom the CEO.
(23:41):
And it's true, if you have thissystem in place, you have this
red team in place, that theirjob is to battle, test and try
to break and prompt and breakthese agents and put in
malicious content.
Then you'll feel much safer andhave, like you said, you have,
(24:02):
then, concrete evidence thatthis works instead of just
fragile optimism, which I reallylike.
So this is a great blog postand I think this is the kind of
content that I want to see moreof going forward.
It's like, yeah, the blog postabout well, you can, this is the
code snippet you need to hackyour way to this.
I think the age of those blogposts are a bit behind us.
(24:24):
I think this is the kind ofcontent we want we'll see more
of in the future.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Cool.
Yeah, I saw that too and Ihaven't really read through it,
but I definitely I mean, carsonalways does amazing content and
very timely and everything likethat Because I think we are I'm
beginning to see, like a fewmonths ago, yes, we're talking
about co-pilot agents.
Like a few months ago, yes,we're talking about co-pilot
agents no one's really, from acustomer standpoint, really
there.
Yet Now we're beginning to seethis is coming through and, you
(24:52):
know, potentially working likeworking with another potential
project and we're working withtwo.
It's, yeah, very co-pilotstudio, ai focused going forward
.
So exciting times for sure.
This is perfect stuff to makesure we have that confidence
level.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, absolutely.
And then another kind of thingto be aware of, so this is maybe
okay.
Going top to bottom, the PowerPlatform Classic Admin Center
will be retired on September 4th, so it's one of those small
little announcements that isgood for you to be aware of.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
um, and you can find more information about it on the
on the power platform admincenter itself yeah, and I do
want to point out, just to make,just not to freak anybody out
um, this is the power platformadmin center.
This is where you manageenvironments and go through
settings and see your analyticsand you assign licenses and but
that stuff that's different fromthe classic solution explorer
(25:53):
and that old classic thingthat's not quite going away yet,
because I, in a presentation Idid in denver, actually, I said,
oh, by the way, everybody knowsthat the power platform in mid
center is going away and onelady completely out, but how are
we going to map that field?
And I'm going no, no, no, no,no.
That will be around for a whileyet, don't you worry, because,
(26:13):
yeah, it doesn't covereverything.
So yeah, let's just sort ofmake sure everybody's clear.
This is the Admin Center, soyeah, and it's basically if it
yep, definitely so it's a changeto be aware of.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
And then another small change, um, that may freak
you out is when level up or godmode app suddenly changes its
appearance.
So, luckily for us, anna blackwas here to to save the day and
give us a bit of a warning thatthe level up tool has got has
got an update.
So don't freak out everybody.
(26:54):
It's okay, and she points outin her LinkedIn post that it
hasn't had a facelift since 2023.
And in our world that's like adinosaur type thing if it hasn't
been updated in two years.
So it's just a UI change, asfar as I can tell.
Did you see any new updates tothe tooling itself?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, so actually, the developer of this and I'm
just trying to find my ownLinkedIn link on this Natraj,
who's a super smart guy I methim a couple of years ago at MVP
Summit and we've had a fewinteractions in the past and who
basically is the person whobuilt this tool, began to make
some updates and then I think herealized he did cause a bit of
a kerfuffle with this and istrying desperately to fix it, so
(27:39):
it's better.
So, yeah, I have seen that andI'll try to locate those posts
that we can put in our shownotes as well.
So, yeah, awesome Anna for likehow she.
You know, this is what we do asa community.
We kind of dive in and we helpeach other out.
But I do know that Natraj isstill very much involved with
putting the like.
The level up tool is.
If it was like take extra Mtoolbox out of the equation,
(28:02):
level up is the next must havetool.
I think everybody has it pinned.
Or, if you don't check it out,despite all these little hiccups
, it's a game changer.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, and so from what I can understand from
anna's post, this is just for umI almost said bing for edge,
and it's uh.
So the old version will stillbe um in chrome and then, if you
want to look at, the newversion is still in edge and
there's a few little commentshere and there about the
impersonation mode not beingfully baked and a few little
bugs here and there about theimpersonation mode not being
fully baked and a few littlebugs here and there.
So maybe it's a bit of a tryingwith the edge users first to
(28:39):
see how it kind of sticks andthen moving it to chrome.
Later we'll see.
Yeah, we'll keep an eye on itfor you, yeah for sure, um, yeah
, and so looking down the yeah,so I said I was going to mention
something else from Ana InesUrrutia de Zuza today.
I practiced her name and listento the LinkedIn thing.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Did you know that?
Speaker 1 (29:00):
you can.
Yeah, I know right.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
We love.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Ana as a best friend, so you can go in on LinkedIn,
and a lot of people uploadedthem saying their name on
LinkedIn, which is reallyhelpful when you have people
that you're not really sureabout their names.
I've practiced on his name andit rolls off the tongue.
I love it, so it's it feelsvery good to say on his name, so
that's why I keep saying itRight?
(29:25):
So the other thing that Iwanted to highlight from Ana
this week was how she talksabout the document outputs from
prompts.
So when Scott was talking aboutthe Python thing and the new
code mode for prompts, anna'stalking about the output mode,
because you can output as text,as JSON and also as document,
(29:49):
which is in preview.
So this is where you're inCodePilot Studio and you add a
tool and then tools.
You can add prompts from promptlibrary, create your own, or
you can choose from the existingones and then you create a new
prompt and then you can choosehow it's going to be outputted.
Now, if you choose document,you can upload a Word document
and then you can set.
If you create your Worddocument correctly it doesn't
(30:12):
work with PDF yet, but only forWord and you use the brackets
that you can then tie that toyour prompt so that you can grab
data from Dataverse, forinstance, and then you can
populate it in the right placein the document and AI will do
that mapping for you.
You just have to make it verylogical for it to understand
where it goes, and this meansthat.
So the scenario she's kind ofcreating was when someone
(30:36):
creates a new item in the listin SharePoint, for instance, a
Power Automate triggers on thatevent and then it triggers that
prompt and AI goes in and fillsin that document for you with
those parameters and send it toyou or someone in your company
as an email.
So that's kind of the scenarioand I love this.
It's in preview, so you have tokind of can't use it in
(30:58):
production yet, but this has alot of potential and just
imagine how much work, how manyhours per day globally is spent
filling in document templateswith information.
I mean Jesus Christ.
So this is one of those hugefor me at least, from where I'm
(31:19):
sitting time savers.
This is massive.
So very good and thank you forbringing that to the surface,
anna.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, I immediately.
I'm thinking of a scenario thatI need something like this for,
so this is very timely.
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Very cool, yeah, do you want to do the PowerPages
stuff first before I go all outon typography?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Oh yeah, ok yeah.
So before we do the font nerds,the font nerd alert everybody
in a few minutes.
So a couple of things showed upon in PowerPages so we all know
we can build single pageapplications in PowerPages.
That's still in preview, butthat's a thing we've talked
about already before and there'ssome good examples on the
(32:10):
Microsoft has provided Plus wetalked about last week as well.
Now what?
Neeraaj nandwana, who's one ofthe pms at microsoft and I
worked with um near ash beforesuper great guy.
He came out with a post andthey're building, uh, some these
single page applications usinggithub spark.
So this is really cool becausethis provided me an opportunity
(32:31):
to try github spark, which isthe another one of these AI code
generation tools, but it'sbuilt within GitHub and Visual
Studio and I went in kind offollowed the sort of the
tutorial they gave and it wasjust sort of blew me away, the
amazing things and I kind ofwent and followed the example
where you just kind of pick oneof the examples they give.
So it generated this wholesingle page application but then
(32:54):
from there we can immediatelyupload it into PowerPages and
have it run within the contextof PowerPages.
It was like wow, it took memaybe like 20 minutes to kind of
go through this, but in that 20minutes I learned so many new
things about GitHub, spark,about single page applications
and how it all worked and, ofcourse, opened my mind to a
whole bunch of new possibilitiesthat we can do with PowerPages.
(33:16):
So I haven't, unfortunately.
I had all big plans to continueto tie it into Dataverse, get
the authentication going and ofcourse I was traveling last week
and everything and just sort of.
There's only so many hours inthe day, but this is something
I'm definitely going to circleback to, because I just think
this is sort of the wayPowerPages is going to a certain
extent.
So definitely check that out.
(33:37):
And then the other thing fromanother PM from Microsoft,
nagash Bhatt, who again I workwith Nagash as well, like these
two got.
Every week I'd have a standingmeeting with the PMs, with
Nagash and Neeraj and a fewothers, and it was a highlight
of my time at Microsoft justtalking to these guys, seeing
what they're working on, whatall the new stuff they were
dreaming up, and they haven'tstopped since I left.
(33:59):
They keep coming up with things.
This is about building andextending agents directly from
PowerPages Studio.
So if you have those boringforms or those big, tedious
forms that you're putting onyour page, well, now there's a
little button you can click andit will go through and create an
agent.
Now I kind of went and tried itout myself.
I actually did a video thisweek on my YouTube channel and
(34:21):
my post of going through thatprocess.
It's very simple You're fillingin a form, but of course, this
opens up the possibilities.
Now that you have this agent,there's so many things you can
do and I think this is justgoing to be a much better
experience for end users interms of, like the multi-step
forms that we've done in termsof collecting information, in
terms of getting co-pilot to godo other things, as opposed to
(34:42):
just launching different flowsor workflows.
Now we can get this agent to goand pull information or go and
update this information usingthe action.
So all of that good stuffwithin the context of a
PowerPages site.
So all of that good stuffwithin the context of a
PowerPages site.
So that little chat bot in thebottom right-hand corner, I
think, is going to be more andmore powerful.
This is just beginning to showthe early steps into these
(35:04):
possibilities, so definitelycheck that out, the blog and the
(35:26):
documentation.
Or, if you know, again,shameless self-promotion.
I have a whole walkthroughwhere I've set this up in terms
of creating the agent on aPowerPages site, so you can
check that out as well.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Yeah this is something that really gets our
customers excited, because thisopens up, like you said, a whole
new way of interacting withdata in Dataverse.
So imagine this is public oryou're behind authentication
even and it allows you toactually communicate with your
data through an agent.
So now I'm waiting for theopportunity to create a new kind
(35:59):
of page on power pages beingthe agent page, which will give
you, or the chat page, whichwill give you, the same
experience as you used to fromcallbot studio marxical but
sorry or chat tpt, so kind ofbeing able to enhance on that
experience.
Because, like I said, it'sstill hidden away in the corner
underneath that chatbot icon,which I, for one at least,
(36:24):
associate with the PBA, thePowerWidget agents, and we
associate that with the stupidbot that we used to have.
So I'm looking for a way tokind of improve on that
association, to bring it out asa side panel at least, or have
it actually take over your wholepage to give you that chat
experience.
That's kind of next level andwhat I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yeah, that's what I kind of expected, because when
you convert your form into anagent within the design studio,
it just says preview notavailable, which we've seen
before.
I kind of and maybe I was overoptimistic or maybe looking
forward but I thought on thatpage I would see that agent
within the context of where theform used to be, but it just
came up blank.
(37:07):
So I actually I kind of wentback and forth with the project
product team directly you knowMVP privilege to say, okay,
where am I supposed to be seeingthis agent?
And he goes oh, it's still inthe chat bot.
That's where you have to selectit.
And then you also have to havethe site agent enabled as well
currently, because they'retrying to work through that.
(37:28):
So you actually see both ofthose bots available.
So you have to choose that newagent that you've created.
So hopefully they're I thinkthey're already said they're
going to clean that up, makethat a little bit more elegant.
Like I said, it is preview, so,but it's a case of trying
things out and seeing what works.
But of course you see thevision where they're going.
So, yeah, I agree with you.
Like I should be able to go tomy site and immediately be
(37:51):
greeted, like at the door, bythis agent.
How can I help you, nick?
That's our vision right there.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, that's what I want to see and we're going to
get there.
I'm sure Just need to be ableto edit and customize the
experience for one, right?
So and then moving on andsegwaying beautifully over to
customizing the experience withtypography Anna, I love it.
So whenever Anna's postinganything about typography, I
know the cat's nighter and I go,yeah, typography, because we're
(38:23):
just so fun nerds.
But Anna put out on LinkedIn oneof those document things that
you can flip through, talkingabout typography and how
incredibly important that is tothe visual aesthetics of your
site but also navigating thecontent.
So being consistent, andthere's a few fundamental rules
there that I love seeing herkind of highlighting, because I
(38:45):
think it's something that I'mtrained on, but I don't think a
lot of people actually knowabout this.
So as you flip through,suddenly there's a page where it
says you read this first, andit's because it's the biggest
and most central piece of texton the page, and then you read
this second.
It says and yes, you'reabsolutely right, so you can
actually guide the user's eyethrough a page using typography
(39:06):
in these different visual keysor cues for the eyes and the
brain to actually follow yoursite in a good way.
So it's about information,architecture and structure,
which I absolutely love.
So this speaks to my heart andI really wanted to highlight it.
Anna, well done and keep thecontent coming.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah.
So I know how excited you geton fonts.
So if you, yeah, this isdefinitely your thing.
I've seen you multiple timesget all really excited on fonts
and I was actually watching anepisode of Brooklyn Nine-Nine
last night.
I'm not sure if you're familiarwith that show, but at one
point one of the characters, amy, gives the chief, captain Holt,
(39:47):
a letter and he said this isvery well written, very well
articulated, an excellent choiceof font.
So I just thought of you whenyou said that.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
So anyways, I love it .
I have a cue in your head, sowhenever you hear the word font,
you think of me.
I love it.
I wish, I wish I knew all theother keywords I bet there are
multiple ones.
Fantastic, oh, that's awesome.
All right, so just a few littlethings before we round off,
(40:23):
because I know that you have ahuge chunk of AI written content
here that you want to getthrough, which is your homework
from last time.
But other AI news I just wantedto say I saw Copilot Action is
currently available to sign andcopilot pro users worldwide, but
not in the European EconomicArea, eea but it is a way for
you to connect your co-pilot toyour credentials and your credit
(40:46):
card to actually now allow itto book things on your behalf.
So the thing that we've beentalking about, that's been kind
of a pipe dream.
It is really really here, notin the EU here, but in your part
of the world.
I'm sure it's going to light upany day now.
So it's under the MicrosoftCopilot Experimental Labs.
(41:10):
You'll find Copilot Actions.
So you can now create yourco-pilot agent or your own.
You kind of enable that and usethat in your chat, if you
wanted to, to have it bookthings on your behalf.
So for anyone who's waiting forthat, it is around the corner.
Um, and then there's stuff tocheck out.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
So does that mean if I set this up, I might just
expect a bunch of Amazonpackages on my doorstep because
my co-pilots decided I needcertain things?
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Probably a lot of barbells and whistles and stuff.
Oh yeah, or maybe it's actually.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Well, there's this mouth guard.
I bought a ton of stuff at thisevent last week, but that's
whole Anyways.
That's a ton of stuff at thisevent last week, but that's
whole Anyways.
That's a whole other podcast.
That's a whole other podcast,yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Right, so the rest of the floor is yours, because we
said last time that you weregoing to read up on the Reactor
what is Microsoft?
Reactor Nick.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
So I asked this friend of mine called his name
is Copilot, or they're calledCopilot and really what it is.
Microsoft Reactor, a globalcommunity initiated by Microsoft
, designed to support developers, startups, tech enthusiasts in
learning, connecting andbuilding with cutting edge
technologies, especially inareas like AI, cloud computing
(42:33):
and app development.
So it goes through.
I'm not going to go through allof this, but where the program
offers learning opportunities,they host live and virtual
events.
So I know this is what wetalked about, about there being
reactors and Microsoft offices.
There's workshops, trainingsessions.
Of course, community engagement.
I mean, this is what we do allthe time.
You know where you can have thecommunity hub.
(42:54):
You know developers andentrepreneurs.
They can network with jointdiscussion forums, work in open
source projects.
There's startup support forstartups.
So if you have a startup, theirreactor provides some resources
for that.
And, of course, accessibility.
So, yes, there's virtually andglobally.
So there are ways to accessthis virtually or on.
(43:15):
You know insight, multiplelanguage, on-demand viewing so
there's a whole website aroundthat.
So, basically, yes, I did myhomework.
I did, I found out all aboutAll about the Microsoft Reactor.
So it's really cool and I thinkit's something we've already
sort of known about, but we justnever really knew about the
details about the whole ins andouts around the Microsoft
Reactor.
So we'll have a link in theshow notes to, so you can kind
(43:37):
of check out my homework.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yep, definitely.
Thank you so much for doingthat homework.
So that's it for today.
We just wanted to round offwith a bit of an ask.
So we're going to do some.
We're going to see if we can dosome live podcasts this autumn.
(44:02):
We're not going to give youmore specific details, but we
are going to a few conferencesand I'm going to try to do a
live boost podcast for you, andalso it would be very fun to do
a bingo chart.
So we would want all of you tocomment on the post where you
say this or send us a message,on whatever platform you choose,
(44:23):
with words that you associatewith the Boost podcast, and that
can be anything from cat torant, to Hudson to I don't know
what.
There's so many things tochoose from.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
I think it talks about fonts.
We would love it if that'sbingo yeah, out in a boat.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
So if we can have words on the bingo chart from
all and I know that Nick's wifehas done this bingo chart
already so if you guys don'tgive us anything, bridge is done
with the bingo chart.
So this is your way of kind ofinjecting words into the already
existing bingo chart.
But we will love it if we hadwords in there for you and we'll
(45:02):
create Nick's going to wipecode an app which is going to be
the interactive bingo chart andyou can see live when we do
that or something.
I heard him say that one time.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Sure, yeah, absolutely.
He has all the time in theworld.
If Steve could do it, anybodycan.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
You have a fair point and you just talked yourself
into actually doing it, so thankyou for that.
I really appreciate it Awesome.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
So anything else you wanted to mention before we
close this off?
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Just a quick little shout out to a good, awesome, so
anything else you wanted tomention before we close this off
, or sorry, the AI agent andco-pilot podcast.
He joked about how he has likeeight viewers, so hopefully we
can give him a few more as wellon this, but it was.
We chatted about AI uses,development and PowerPages,
(46:05):
specifically the efficienciesand some of the new ways of
thinking that kind of thing.
It was a good, it was a greatchat with Sean.
He said I keep this, you know,to like, you know, maybe 15
minutes and I kind of oh hey, weended up going for a little bit
longer.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
How is that possible?
And he interviews people.
I mean what?
I need to check this out.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
So when he said that I'm like, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
So, anyways was that's out, now we have some, we
have some.
Check that out to do yeah andthen of course, we have a whole
whack of events coming up thatwe have a whole whack of events
coming up.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
A quick little thing boost 100 gives you a discount
for the power platform communityConference in Las Vegas.
So if you have not signed upyet, definitely get that
discount code in.
So there's that.
And then the other thing I amdoing a session in my hometown
of Ottawa, but that got moved aweek up because Microsoft AI
(47:13):
Tour is coming to town, whichwas kind of exciting in its own
self, but that also moved thatcommunity event, the Microsoft
365 Ottawa.
It's now, I think, september26th or 27th, but if you're
planning on going to that onOctober 3rd, it won't be there.
It will be the AI Tour, whichwill also be very cool, but just
be aware of that.
So, and then there's a wholewhack of other things Nordic
(47:35):
Summit, expert Lives, balticSummit, collab Days, a whole
bunch of stuff.
I'll be giving out ducks.
See you there.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
You can see all the details in the show notes.
Hope to see you there.
Right, so next episode will beon.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
It says that's probably the wrong one September
10th, perfect September 10th,perfect September 10th.
How does that make you feel?
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah, like it always makes me feel I go.
Where did the year go?
Where did the time go?
Exactly Right.
Have an awesome time, people,and we'll catch you next time.
Bye-bye, all right, bye.
Thank you next time.
Bye-bye, all right, bye.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Thank you for listening.
If you liked this episode,please make sure you share it
with your friends and colleaguesin the community and be sure to
leave a rating or a review onyour favorite streaming service.
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Follow us on social platformsand make sure you don't miss a
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