AI Anxiety (#61)

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Nick (00:00):
It's definitely a good thing.

Ulrikke (00:01):
And that's exactly why I go to these different things
that I don't know I think aboutas well, because I want to have
fringed competency kind ofaround so that I know a little
bit enough to dive further in.

Nick (00:14):
Is that a real fringe competency?
Is that something you just made?

Ulrikke (00:18):
up.
No, no, no.
I've said that millions oftimes.
I don't know, it's how Idescribe my competency, because
some people will have thatlittle box that they know or
that little circuit of thingsthat they know.
But my company is very fringed.
You know fringes, right, youhave them, the yeah, the cowboy
things, right.
So that's kind of how I see mycompetencies fringed.

Nick (01:00):
Welcome everyone to the Power Platform Boost podcast,
your weekly source of news andupdates from the world of the
power platform and the Microsoftcommunity, with your host, nick
Dolman and Lydica Akebeck.

Ulrikke (01:14):
Hello Nick, how are you ?

Nick (01:16):
Hello, I'm doing okay.

Ulrikke (01:19):
Okay, just okay.

Nick (01:22):
Yeah, okay, that's okay.
Yeah, okay, that's okay, that'sokay.

Ulrikke (01:26):
Some days are just okay .
I feel a bit drowsy because wewere at the beach and it was a
lot of sun and then I went backhome and then I had dinner, you
know.
Then you know the kind ofafternoon kind of feeling.
So that's where my energy levelis at, so but yeah, it's a good

(01:48):
and sunny day.

Nick (01:49):
So I'm happy yeah, we're having a heat wave here.
It's like 30 celsius um, gonnaget warmer and hotter, um, but
that's it's.
That's summer in canada, right,we get both extremes.
So in six months time I'll bewell not, but telling you how
it's minus 30 here.

Ulrikke (02:09):
You don't need like a week of spring and a week of
autumn, like they talked about.
It's crazy, it's extreme.

Nick (02:15):
It's like a switch.

Ulrikke (02:17):
Yeah, it is.
We had 30 degrees last week aswell in Vienna, and that's one
of the things about travelingfrom Norway in spring is that we
kind of get used to the heat alittle by little and then
suddenly you fly to a countryway more south and then you're
exposed to the spring heat there, and so it felt really good to

(02:38):
just able to walk outside inshirts and t-shirts.
That was fantastic.
But of course then stayingindoors a week at a conference
is not that fun.
We went outside for all thebreaks, kind of soaking up the
sun, a little bit like Meerkat,just going in the sun soaking it
up and then hustle, hustle, getback inside, and then we

(03:01):
hustled back inside.
We went to the next session andthe next one, and the next one
Because I went to EPPC this weekum and Vienna, which you don't
want to hear anything about,because you've turned off your
phone and you had a completeFOMO and you're like don't send
me any videos, don't send me anypictures, I don't want to hear
about it pretty, much, yeah,pretty much Pretty much right.

(03:24):
So if you can just then muteyourself and I can tell everyone
else about it, how does thatsound?

Nick (03:31):
Sure.

Ulrikke (03:33):
No, because it was a really good conference.
I know that you don't want tohear about it, but I think, for
everyone else listening, I wantto kind of give it a bit of
limelight, because it is trulythe biggest and most
professional PowerPages sorry,power Platform Conference we
have in Europe.
So it was, I think, 37countries represented, and

(03:55):
Monday was workshops.
I had the pleasure of having aworkshop with 20 people, which I
think is the perfect amount ofpeople.
We get time to kind of goaround table, hear where
everyone's at, where everyone'scoming from, and it's fun to see
how some people are coming atit from.
Well, my manager told me we'regoing to start doing PowerPages
now, so I need to be here.

(04:15):
And then you have someone go.
No, I have two PowerPages sitesin production and I'm like why
are you here?
Well, he's like yeah, becauseyou probably know things I don't
know, so I want to learn fromthe best.
I'm like, oh, that's a wall.
Um, yeah, and we have reallygood conversations and we're
really, um, uh, very into it andasking all the good questions.
So that makes it, makes it veryspecial.

(04:36):
So I am, that was good.
Well, I missed you and victorfor sure.
Uh, but I had a little ducky togive me company, and now he's
run away because, uh, I think Ihave him in my bag, so you I got
one right there, so if you cansee where I'm pointing, oh, yeah
, yeah, that's very goodactually.
So I wanted to say because so umbridge brought your wife

(04:57):
brought, uh, hundreds orsomething, ducks.
It felt like uh, and then thoseducks kind of went from head to
hand to hand to hand.
Kind of five people wereinvolved in getting them to me
in Vienna and once I got them Iwas like, okay, now I have to
carry them around.
But I didn't get them until daytwo or something.

(05:17):
So I thought, okay, I'm goingto give all of them away in my
session if anyone want any onThursday.
So what I did was I had, everytime anyone kind of gave an
answer to a question, I wouldthrow a rubber duck at them, and
we also talked about what therubber duck was, because not a
lot of people surprising to me,a lot of people didn't know what
it was about.
So they were like, is this somekind of weird thing in Norway,

(05:41):
where you kind of have a bathwith a duck?
I'm like no, no, no, no, no.
Yes, I'm all kinds of crazy,but not that kind of crazy.
It is about tech and how youtalk to it like, oh, okay, oh,
now I get it.
And then everyone wanted one.
So they're all gone, all allgone.
So this is kind of a those thatwe have more, so we're going to

(06:03):
give more away.
We would love it if you wouldjust take a picture of your duck
, if you have one in yourlocation, because now what we
want to do is see where they endup, because it's a fun thing
for us to see that, yeah, theseducks started out here and then
they traveled so far.
We have ducks in all kind ofweird corners of the world, so

(06:25):
that would be a lot of fun ifyou could kind of take a picture
of it in its currentenvironment and send us a little
location to see where it endedup.
That's a lot of fun.

Nick (06:35):
Yeah, and I'll have more to give out.
We'll have at Nordic Summit andin Vegas.
So if you're there, yeah,pester us for ducks.

Ulrikke (06:44):
Oh, yes, definitely, and they take up a lot of space
and they're a bit hasslesome.
We have to figure out how totransport them in a smart way so
we don't have to carry that bagaround with ducks.
But yeah, that's a whole otherthing.
But yeah, I learned tons atVienna, I mean.
So I always go to differentthings, sessions that I don't

(07:04):
know a lot about.
So I learned from Matt Snickerabout elastic tables.
Do you know what elastic tablesare?

Nick (07:11):
Yeah, yeah, I've looked into them a little bit.
Yeah, I've played.
I haven't used them in aproject, but I am aware of what
they were.
We talked about this when theyfirst came out, way back when,
and it was kind of hard to wrapour head around what the use
cases are.
But now that I've seen a fewpotential use cases, it makes
more sense in terms of so, yeah,obviously you probably learned

(07:31):
a lot more than I have because Ihaven't really looked at them.

Ulrikke (07:34):
so tell the people all about elastic tables no, but it
was fascinating to me because itso.
The use case that much wasshowing was kind of logging or
telemetry.
For instance, you can have avery snappy and very quick query
to your data.
You store it as structured orunstructured.
It has to be valid JSON, butyou can store it whatever you

(07:56):
want in there and it doesn'thave to be the same format every
time.
So you showed various differentkind of structures of how to
how to store data in there andthen you have that role, and
then that role contains adjacentobject which you can then query
for data.
And it's a good way to storemassive amounts of data where it

(08:17):
doesn't take up a lot ofstorage space and it's a cheap
way to store data.
But also there's a lot oflimitations in terms of what you
can do with it.
And also you can set a retainerso that you can set a timeout
so for instance, 90 days or 30days or one day, because it's
meant for temporary data and itwill automatically delete itself
without charging any credits.

(08:39):
It's not a Power Automate flowcall or anything, it's just
deleting itself.
So there's a lot of neat thingsthat goes into it.
And so if you have a use casewhere you store temporarily lots
and lots of data, then ElasticTables is a good thing to look
into for sure.
So it's so fun to see thosekinds of things that I've heard
about but not really kind ofgotten into my head, but then

(09:03):
yeah, that's good.

Nick (09:05):
Yeah, that's the benefit of these conferences where you
can actually go in and sit in toat least give me the high level
details on something that I'mcompletely unaware of, just so
at least now I have some contextthat I can begin to ask more
intelligent questions or againjust have some awareness of when
I'm in a customer or somethinglike oh okay, this sounds like
this.
Could elastic tables could fit.

(09:26):
I know a little bit about it.
So now that you have somethingtangible in front of me, let's
dig in a little bit deeper.
Whereas before you might nothave any idea of this exists.

Ulrikke (09:36):
So it's definitely a good thing, and that's exactly
why I go to these differentthings that I don't know I think
about as well, because I wantto have fringed competency kind
of around so that I know alittle bit enough to dive
further in.

Nick (09:49):
I like is that a real fringe competency?
Is that something you just madeup?

Ulrikke (09:54):
I don't know.
No, no, no I've said thatmillions of times I don't know.
It's how I describe mycompetency, kind of if you drew,
because some people will havethat little box that they know
or that little circuit of thingsthat they know.
But my company is very fringed.
You know fringes right, youhave the cowboy things right.
So that's kind of how I see mycompetencies fringed.

Nick (10:17):
Cool, that makes sense.

Ulrikke (10:19):
I went to a session with Agnes.
It showed how best practicesfor enterprise grade Power
Automate desktop flows just tokind of see if he had, if there
were some things there that Ihaven't talked about for Power
Automate flows that I can thenkind of adapt to Power Automate

(10:40):
Cloud flows, that would be thesame way, so kind of.
So it's something I know a lotabout, but that was good thing
to kind of level set.
Is there anything here that Ihaven't thought about?
Is there anything new that Ineed to consider?
And also how the two productsdiffer.
And there was a lot of overlapin terms of what we do with our
enterprise flows and didn'tlearn a lot of new things.
But it was a good kind ofqualifier into ah okay, so we're

(11:06):
doing this right.
So that felt good as well, justto get a little bit of quality
assurance on the way that wewere doing things.

Nick (11:12):
Cool.

Ulrikke (11:13):
Yes, all right, so let's dive into the news and
updates.
We have a lot of things, but ofcourse I've been very busy this
last few weeks, so this is oneof those where you have the the
majority of the items on thelist, um, but I think to start
off with, we have the marcel 365roadmap.

Nick (11:35):
For whatever reason, and I think this is me just putting
it in there, just to let peopleknow well, sometimes I use the,
the use the OneNote as a way ofoh, this is something I need to
read more of.
Well, I'll just stick it in theBoost OneNote, because there
it's something to talk about.

Ulrikke (11:53):
Because then it'll force me to kind of read more
about it.
No, no no, Actually.
I think this is one of thosewhere I, because the next link
is from Femke Kornelisen, and sothis roadmap is right.
No, sorry, it's the other wayaround.
So you have the tech communityat Microsoftcom blog about

(12:17):
what's new for Microsoft 365Co-Pilot, and this is from May,
so it's a bit dated already.
But here it occurred to me thatI don't know if everyone
follows this or the roadmap, sothe link is to share in the show
notes so that everyone can keeptrack of the roadmap.
It's actually published forMicrosoft 365, so you can keep

(12:40):
an eye on it.
If you're an admin, then you'llget these by email anyways, but
if you're not, then you can getthese by email anyways.

Nick (12:45):
but if you're not, then you can still follow these news
and updates um from our so 365on the roadmap yeah, yeah, and
just to kind of segue and to tieit in with a femca's post too,
because her post is really aboutusing the new microsoft
researcher that we did talkabout last episode, which is
also listed in this um, this newthing.
So like what I like about hercontent is she provides uh best

(13:10):
way to call it cheat sheets forone, one kind of pager sheets
that you can take, take a lookat, with some examples, some
structure, um, an execution planand stuff like that.
So she has a bunch of these andthis, yeah, it's called a cheat
sheet, the microsoft researchercheat sheet.
So this is exactly what it isand it just sort of helps you
wrap your head around and howyou can use these things within

(13:31):
going beyond the Power Platforminto Microsoft 365, because I
think there's a lot of coverageon both in terms of co-pilots
and Microsoft 365, and it'sstuff that we use on a daily
basis as well.
The other thing from theroadmap that did stand out a
little bit for me was the factthat we have co-pilot notebooks
inside of OneNote, and that'sreally interesting to me because

(13:54):
you and I we're big fans ofOneNote.
I've been using OneNote foryears.
We talked about this last timeas well.
So I think you know, and wetalked last time about co-pilot
notebooks.
But now I actually watched avideo and I'll try to find the
link where they demonstratedusing the copilot notebooks, but
inside of OneNote completely.
So again, we're not replacingone with another.

(14:16):
It's a fact of they're kind ofmerging the two technologies
OneNote this video said it's 20years old believe it or not and
of course, copilot notebooks arebrand new.
Yeah, and I know the interfacewith OneNote.
It does seem dated at times butit is still.
It works for me.
I still love using it forcollaboration and things like

(14:39):
that.
But of course now as we getinto more of the AI world, we're
collaborating.
But of course now as we getinto more of the AI world, we're
collaborating.
I've been finding I've beensharing a lot of my chat, gpt
searches and prompts workingLike I was on a meeting.
I don't know I'm segwaying alittle bit, but I was working on
a meeting.
I needed to explain certainconcepts and then I realized I

(15:01):
didn't have a ton of time to doa lot of digging into it, so I
actually asked ChatGPT.
It was a feature withinDynamics 365.
And the results actually gaveme a chart, broke down the pros
and cons, broke down thedifferent ways of doing it.
So I just in the meeting, Isaid, oh, by the way, I cheated,
I'd use ChatGPT here.
Let me share you that link.

(15:21):
And so, again, this, going backto these tools in terms of
collaboration, in terms ofnotebooks in OneNote and things,
these tools are becoming reallypowerful in terms of what you
can share, but also using AI tosummarize that information, to
consolidate that information,and not just for yourself, but
for your team members as well.

(15:42):
So if we look at this blog post, there's at least like a dozen,
if not more, new features.
So we're not going to gothrough all of these, but it's a
constant barrage of informationthat are making our existing
tools much more powerful, usingAI and co-pilots, which is a
good thing.
Now, that's not without its.
It doesn't do everything.

(16:04):
There's a few rough edges hereand there with any new software,
and with microsoft productsespecially, so just beware of
that.
So, yeah, a lot of cool stuffwith all of this.

Ulrikke (16:14):
Oh, yeah, yeah, and it's worth kind of just
scrolling through and to get abit ramped up on the new things,
because also, I um, from thesessions that I was in as well,
and the conversations I've hadthis week, uh, a lot of people
are concerned about the factthat we have a bad experience
and then you don't go in again.

(16:34):
There's so many people that havetried out plan designer, which
is now called planning powerapps, before Christmas and now
they don't realize how extremelygood it's become, just because
they won't click the buttonagain, they won't try it.
And also, that goes a lot forthe applications we use every
day Word, powerpoint, excel,onenote.
You don't expect thoseco-pilots and those AI features

(16:59):
to improve this much, but theydo.
And so maybe you turn co-pilotoff in those apps and don't
expect a lot from them.
But there, this is a goodreason why it's called through
these uh release notes andthey'll.
That will keep you up to dateon what's coming and maybe
you'll be incentivized a littlebit to go back in and give it
another go, even if it didn'tdisappointed you a little bit

(17:22):
the first time yeah, yeah, no,yeah, it's it's night and day
and that's the thing.

Nick (17:27):
This is why there's that preview tag on some of these
things.
Um, but even if they become ga,they just keep getting better.
You're absolutely right,because, yeah, plan designer was
a cool demo thing and then now,the last time I looked at plan
designer, like, oh, what's this,what's this?
This is new.
Oh, this does this better now,oh, I wonder if this is fixed.
Okay, no, not yet, but that'sokay, it will be there next time
.

(17:47):
So, yeah, keep, uh and yeah,keep, keep an eye out on the
updates, because things doprogress.
They do get better.
Like the, the table designernow, um, you can bring in
existing system tables where youcouldn't do that before.
That was like a hugeimprovement.
Um, that was just somethingelse that we couldn't do, like
about a month ago, but we can donow.

(18:09):
So new stuff's coming.
And that's the thing thefeedback people saying it
doesn't work because of X.
Well, you say what X is.
Microsoft takes that intoaccount.
I was on a meeting this weekand on Microsoft team was
demoing something that we'lltalk about in a bit and I said,
oh, but what about?
Can it do this?
And like that's a good idea.

Ulrikke (18:26):
We're going to make sure that gets added into the
product, so yeah, yeah, feedbackis crucial and you know the
thumbs up and the thumbs down.
They do look at it.
So if you have feedback, pleasegive it, because we can't
expect it to be better if wedon't participate.
Right debate, right, yeah, okay, sounds good.

(18:49):
And then you have a few aiitems in here.
That isn't specifically aboutpower platform or our tech world
, necessarily, but about ai ingeneral.
It's a.
It's a much broader aidiscussion.
Um, so the first one is the diroceo, which is with simon
bartlett, which is a podcastthat we listen to a lot and I
know that a lot of people do.
I think it's the second biggestpodcast in the world, so

(19:09):
probably a lot of our listenerslisten to it already and maybe
have also made up their own mindabout this episode already.
And just to give you a littlebit of a light on this, so when
we were flying into london, Ilistened to this podcast episode
on the plane over and I landedand I was in shock and I could

(19:31):
not, and I was, I was talking atyou constantly from the second
you opened your eyes and we gotout of the plane until we were
kind of picking up our luggageand going into the metro and I
was still talking to you aboutthis because it freaked me out.

Nick (19:47):
So yeah, it's the AI agent emergency debate yeah, so, yeah
, you were talking to me aboutit.
And then you I said, okay, well, of course, send me the link to
this episode and I I don'tlisten to all of the diary of
ceo episodes like um, justbecause there's a lot.

(20:08):
It's hard to keep up with allthese different podcasts, but
please listen to ours.
Listen like subscribe right.
Okay, um, but they, they talkedabout it was a kind of a round

(20:35):
table.
They're talking about you, akind of a roundtable.
They're talking about you know,displacement of you know been I
originally.
When we go back to the firstepisode of the Power Platform,
boost, we talked about the firstapps we built.
And I talk about this wrestlingsimulator that I built on a
Commodore 64 because I was biginto pro wrestling as a teenager
and I always thought, hey, Iwant to rebuild this.

(20:57):
And, of course, as I go throughmy career, I was building stuff
in Delphi and Visual Basic.
In the back of my mind I'm like, oh, I'm going to rebuild this
using Visual Basic, I'm going torebuild it versus Delphi,
eventually, to the point, okay,I'm going to rebuild this in
Power Apps.
And then I get sort of an idea.
I do some rough designs and I'mlike okay.
But then of course day jobkicks in or you work on power

(21:17):
platform stuff all day andyou're like, okay, now if I need
to switch my brain to somethingelse, and it's like one of
these little side projects.
So I opened up Replit, I gaveit a prompt this is what I want
to build.
I want to build a wrestlingsimulator that creates events.
I can you know I'm just goingto act as the promoter.
I'm not going to be.
It's not like an action game.
I want to put it all in Chugchug, chug, chug, chug.

(21:40):
Five minutes later, a fewprompts back, it generated a
React app talking to a PostgresSQL database, basically
envisioned exactly what I'vebeen dreaming out for the last
20, 30 years.
In 5, 10 minutes Kind of blewme away.
And it wasn't just, it's allsort of behind the mirrors.

(22:00):
I actually can see the, thetypescript code and everything
in the back end.
So if I wanted I could go andtweak it whatever else, or even
evaluate it for security and allthis other stuff like it's.
It's a simple game, it's asimple example, so it just kind
of blow kind of, without kind ofgoing too deep and getting into
the aspects of enterprisesoftware.
These tools are existing nowthat are able to build software.

(22:24):
This kind of rejigs our role ofsolution architects in terms of
, yes, we still need to collectthese requirements, we still
need to envision what we'redoing.
This is the value, and this iswhat you and I talked a little
bit before the episode as well.
The value, and this is what youand I talked a little bit
before the episode as well.
Um, and you kind of reminded meof the value that we bring to
the clients to be able togenerate these.

(22:46):
So we're not just buildingsoftware, we're building
business solutions, and we gotto keep I think we need to keep
focused on that, that we arebuilding business solutions and
we provide a value in terms ofjust doing coding and things
like that.
We now have tools where we cangenerate this a lot faster, a
lot more efficiently, um, and itis definitely going to be
changing how we do things.

(23:07):
Something else I'll talk aboutin a little bit.
Uh, we talk about power pages,about using the new um single
page applications within powerpages.
Saw demos of that again.
That kind of blew me away ofhow fast that we're beginning to
build applications.
The Power Platform will exist,but how we build apps.
I think one year from now we'regoing to be talking a
completely different story thanwe're talking about now.

(23:29):
How that's going to look, notexactly sure.
Are we going to go down more ofa Project Sophia interface type
thing or are we just going tobe still generating canvas and
model driven apps?
But we're going to be doing ita hundred percent through,
prompting through, like a plandesigner.
We'll see.
So, going back to these twopodcasts links, there was that
emergency debate where they'retalking about the creation of

(23:51):
software and displacing.
There's also the godfather ofAI and what was this gentleman's
name?
He of AI.
And what was this gentleman'sname?
It was Jeffrey Hinton and hetalked about he won a Nobel

(24:12):
Prize.
Oh, he won the Turing Award,which they call the Nobel Prize
of Computing.
So he didn't win a Nobel Prize,but he won the equivalent in
the world of computing.
But basically giving warningsabout how AI will disrupt
society and working and thingslike that going into, and both
in those episodes they talkabout things like universal
income, but how humans need apurpose on top of all this and
how is that going to be?
And how is it going to beinstead of hiring a thousand

(24:33):
people, we can now have athousand agents doing our job
for us from, you know, pennieson the dollar compared to what
we would pay.
So these are things that justagain, we don't want to go too
deep into these existential, youknow thoughts, what you called
it, but I just want to kind ofbring light to that that, as
we're going through all of this,I'm sure this is something that

(24:55):
we're all thinking about andmaybe worrying about and trying
to find our way, and I don'thave the answers, you don't have
the answers, but I think I justwant to maybe empathize with
everybody that this is whatwe're feeling.
I think maybe everybody else isfeeling this as well.
Yes, this is cool tech, butwhat's our role going to be
within it?
And that kind of came up inDynamics Minds as well, some of

(25:17):
those discussions when I wasthere with various people
Exciting times, but also very, Iwouldn't say, worrying times,
but very challenging times, alittle bit anxious times as well
.
So I just wanted to kind ofbring those to light, those
different podcasts, and to notput our heads in the sand,
basically of what is happeningwith all this technology around

(25:39):
us and also to be aware, like ifyou think that you're you're,
you know, going to be buildingmodel driven apps the same way
you've been doing for the last10 years.
In the next 10 years, that'sprobably not going to.
That's probably not going tohappen.
It's going to change.
So we all need to help eachother out and get ready for it.

Ulrikke (25:57):
So yeah, then you realize that this is information
workers, right, so the postmanwill still be the postman, then
the guardsman will still be theguardsman, you'll have servants
at restaurants, and you know.
So it's in our little bubble,of course, that this is a huge
thing.
And, yeah, I get it.
When you know factory workerswere replaced by robots.
They had this kind of thingbecause the backbone of the

(26:19):
society back then was thefactory worker and now the
backbone of our society is kindof the information worker, a lot
of us working as informationworkers, and now we will be
replaced.
I think what scares me the mostis when people say that sure,
they found new jobs and we willtoo.
But then the experts say, yeah,but back then it was so slow

(26:40):
that you had time to learn a newskill and then get a new job
and have a new career.
But this time it's too fast forthe human mind to adapt to a
new skill and move on, so we'regoing to leave a lot of people
behind.
That doesn't mean that themajority of us will find other
jobs or will merge into otherjobs or will actually excel as a
whole ai thing and move to thethe top of the chain, if that's

(27:02):
kind of what you want to do.
Um, I am not as dystopian todayas you, I think, and that goes
up and down every day.
Um I don't think we'll be alittle drip and apps the way
that we do now, and also, ofcourse, um I looked at the um,
generated pages and code apps inpower platform now is kind of

(27:26):
going to replace um, some of thetraditional app making that
we've seen.
So I guess canvas apps and andum and custom pages kind of will
go away and be replaced bygenerated pages, which is kind
of a vibe code app-ish thingwhere you give it a prompt, it
creates an app or an interfacefor your data and then code apps

(27:49):
is where you start in VisualStudio Code.
You use a GitHub co-pilot tocreate your app and then you get
to deploy that to the platformSame way as you do with a single
page application in Power Pages.
We've had that capability for awhile with PCF components.
It's not really that new, butit's kind of showing us the way
that Microsoft wants to go.
It's showing us the directionthat things are going in.

(28:11):
It's not necessarily that it'snew.
It is a way it is a push inthat direction.
New is just it.
It is a way it is a push inthat direction.
Um, but as I said, businessapplications will still have
processes.
If you look at businessapplications and the needs and
how we work in this kind ofenvironment.
It's been.
It hasn't been disrupted thesame way many other application

(28:35):
types have been.
But then you also beg thequestion I was on an AI panel at
APBC with Sarah Luggerquist,joe Griffin, scott Giroux,
andrew BB and me.
We talked about the AI and thefuture of AI and the future of
business applications and wherewe're going, and then also we
kind of came to the sameconclusion that well, who's

(28:56):
going to use these apps?
Again, because of allinformation workers that are
agents, who's going to use thebusiness applications?
So maybe we're actually tryingto solve a problem that's not
even going to be there in fiveyears because there's not going
to be any people working inthese business applications.
It's ERM who cares?
Agents handle that for us, justlike robots has been sorting

(29:18):
our mail for the last.
What 30 years agents is goingto handle our crm system?
No one's going to have an erp,no one's going to deal with the
data and and all of that mess isgoing to be agent to agent
anyways.
We're going to just ask for themail to appear in our mailbox
and be sorted, for us and ourpackages to be living at the

(29:39):
doors and and all the magic andthe black box we don't care
about.
That's what it's going to belike.
So there is a fundamental kindof mental approach to this, a
shift that I have yet to do inmy head, but I see kind of where

(30:01):
I need to change it up a bit,because the old ways of thinking
doesn't apply to the new world,and so I see again and again
myself going down this rabbithole of trying to solve things.
That is now just completelyredundant.
Yeah, who's going to?
You know, in terms terms ofpower pages, where that is going
well?
Who needs the website?

(30:22):
Because you just try to be tanyways, right, so it's, yeah,
the idea that you curateinformation and put that on a
site for other people to log inwith their credentials and grab
that data is like, uh, no, no,it's not going to be that.
It's going to be an MCP serveror you know, the NL web or the
whatever, an 8-way protocol, andyou're just going to ask your

(30:46):
agent to go grab or it's goingto just grab it for you and have
it handy when you need it.
It's just such a fundamentalmental shift and I think that's
where I'm just now starting torealize the work that I need to
do yeah, yeah it's.

Nick (31:04):
Uh.
It was interesting because onthe one podcast they asked
jeffrey hinton.
They said, well, what would youtell your kids?
Because I have, I have a 16year old trying to figure out
her career and he said be aplumber.
And they, and then he kind ofhe kind of chuckled a steep art,
like kind of chuckled and likehe said no, I'm dead serious,
this is, this, is the, this isthe and you know what, like yeah

(31:25):
, cause these are things, causeI had to side note I had to
replace some steps on my housethis weekend.
I wasn't planning on it.
It was a little loose, so I wasjust going to go in and put a
screw and tighten it up.
And as going to go in and put ascrew and tighten it up, and as

(31:47):
I did it very much like thanossnapping his fingers the whole
stairs just disintegrated on me.
So I had to spend I spent mysunday rebuilding those set of
stairs.
Um, yeah, a ai is not gonna beable to figure that one out,
with the uneven ground and the,the spiders underneath the deck
and all the rusty screws.

Ulrikke (32:03):
It might be able to help you, just like YouTube's
helped a lot of DIY people thelast 10 years.
It would be brilliant tellingyou.
You know what, Nick, you need10 times these screws and these
kinds of things and, from whatI'm seeing, this is for it to be
I don't know the English wordsuddenly but for it to be, kind
of hold your weight and be.

(32:24):
This is how you make thestructure the best, and you need
these planks and that is goodfor her, but you need to put it
together, right?
So I totally agree, go, and Iknow your daughter, get the
scars to prove it.

Nick (32:36):
Yes, she's the most handy 16 year old I've ever met, and
and I know your daughter Get thescars to prove it.

Ulrikke (32:39):
Yes, she's the most handy 16-year-old I've ever met
and she does gardening so well,she understands and she's so
good with people and she's goingto be fine.
She's going to go into one ofthose handy what do you call it?
Craft kind of jobs, because wehave theoretical jobs and then
craft jobs.

Nick (33:00):
Does that translate to think it um, like they call it,
the, the trade, the trades andthings like that, or trades, of
course, right, yeah, so kids, soget into trades yes, right, be
a plumber.

Ulrikke (33:11):
Hvac electrical um, because I think the robots to do
that exactly right, gardeningrobots, because you saw that in
Wallace and Gromit there weregardening robots, uh-uh, no, no,
no, no, no.
We did not want the crazy gnometo fix our gardens for us.
I want to do it and I want toget dirt under my nails Right,
but he has a point and I seewhere it's going, because some

(33:34):
of it's, but the rest of theworld is kind of leaning on
their layers a little bit stillbecause yeah, sure, but the
world will move on.

Nick (33:54):
Yep, for sure, this is going to be my July, because our
project is going to be kind ofwinding down for the summer
holidays.
So I've called it, I've told mywife it's July with a July AI.
That's going to be my learningfocus.

Ulrikke (34:09):
Oh, wow, and I was going to renew my customer
service certification.
I feel so old and grumpy now.
Maybe I don't, maybe I don't.
All right, so you put anotherlink in here.
What is the Microsoft LearnDocs MCP server?
So they is the Microsoft LearnDocs MCP server.
So they made a Microsoft LearnDocs MCP server.

(34:33):
Oh, yeah.

Nick (34:34):
So I'm all about like MCP servers.
Like I've been as part of mydive into all of this stuff and
getting sometimes a little bitscared, a little bit frustrated,
but definitely MCP servers,when I'm beginning to see this.
This to me is one of the biggame changers.
So this is another thing tolearn, like the Dataverse MCP

(34:55):
server.
We talked about that last weekor two weeks ago about how, you
know, using cloud or you know,github to talk to Dataverse and
be able to do a bunch of things.
So the team microsoft because Ium did work in docs, so I do
have a certain affinity to allthat they built the docs mcp
server, which basically meansyou have this endpoint that you

(35:17):
can build an agent or an appthat can actually talk to um,
the, the learn docs and kind ofuse that as a source.
So, yeah, yes, we could build aco-pilot and we could just put
in the microsoft docs um url asa source.
But this also this is kind ofanother way.
You have a better high qualitycontent retrieval, much better

(35:40):
understanding of things um andkind of different updates and
things like that.
So it's just it's.
I think it was more of a bit ofa like you know, poc or use
case of using MCP servers.
But now it kind of goes to showagain what you were saying
about.
We're going to be interactingwith tool of our choice, let's
say Cloud, for example.

(36:01):
You could basically use Cloudand you can now talk to docs and
it will actually talk to docsdirectly through the MCP server,
which is pretty amazing.
Or you could use chat, gpt oryou could use that other client.
So again, we get to pick.
The cool thing about all this iswe get, we begin to pick our
interfaces.
As long as there's an MCP thatwe can connect to, we could do

(36:24):
these, use these otherinterfaces.
So I saw you know, docs is forhis example of an mcp server.
I saw a youtube video where theguy was using cloud and he was
talking to his gmail, hiscalendars, his slack, he talked
to different things, but he was100 using cloud as his desktop.
He wasn't app switching cloud,was just talking to these things

(36:45):
to the mcp servers.
So yeah, there's a, there's an.
This is something you're goingto see probably a hundred
different mc, very much like wesaw hundreds and thousands of or
hundreds thousands ofconnectors in the power platform
.
We're now going to see mcpservers.
So if you're building an app orbuilding anything, you're going

(37:06):
to need an mcp server for it oran interface of some sort, and
that's just going to open up alot of doors to use that yeah.

Ulrikke (37:14):
Yeah, absolutely, that's going to go both ways.
So you both, you want to makesure that your information is
accessible through an MCP server, so that that would be
something you kind of host oryou do for your services.
But then the other way aroundas well, you want to make sure
that you kind of create for theones, the custom connectors that

(37:35):
you can't reach.
So, yeah, 100%, and I love theidea that you kind of you build.
So would you build a new onejust to give it your credentials
, because that's a bit overrated.
So you create a connection andthen, using that connection, you
give it your credentials andthen it's a safe space into your
Gmail or your account here andyour stuff there.

Nick (37:54):
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, but as opposed to liketrying to understand the APIs
for example, here's the reads,the writes the internet, because
it's the AI components in thereI can you know the example that
I saw with the Gmail, it's sortof like, okay, give me a
summary of all my emails.
Of course that exists inCopilot, of course with Outlook
and everything, but but now Ican choose what interface.

(38:17):
And this guy was exempt, usinghis cloud desktop and just
saying, hey, give me a summaryof all my Gmails, oh, and let me
know all the messages that cameup on Slack.
And it knows it takes that real, that natural language, and
basically creates the API calls,essentially to go to the MCP
server and bring all thatinformation back.

Ulrikke (38:40):
Yeah, and this reminds me of the there's a I put a link
in here, so to anotherexplanation of MCP and the
protocol and also thecapabilities and the evolution
of AI application, which isreally good, which is, you know,
those documents that you kindof flip through.
So it's a kind of it's a flowchart diagram that shows you how

(39:03):
it works and where, what theprotocol means and how you start
with the user query, then yougo that goes through to the llm
and then you have the toolselection and the mcplay client
and then you go through to theserver part of it, which then
allows you to go through to theother servers and connect to the
other things.

(39:24):
So it is a very good way to,because because I love these
models and kind of collectingthem to broaden the way that my
mind understand how these thingswork, because I need the visual
representation of this tounderstand it.
So the more of these I see, theeasier it is for my mind to
understand how it works.
You know what I mean.

(39:44):
The theory isn't enough, so Ilove when.
I see these things because, ofcourse, mcp server is all about
it.
You have the prompts and theresources and the tools and it's
not just connecting to an api.
Then, like we talked about afew episodes ago, you're not
then using it to its fullpotential.
There is so much more here thatyou can do, and also how you

(40:05):
structure the data is veryimportant, because an llm won't
understand the data off of anAPI, and that's why you created
an MCP server to have all of thescaffolding around it as well,
to make sure that you kind ofget the best out of it.
So this is a very good resourceand we'll share the links in
the show notes, for sure, so youcan go in and play with it

(40:25):
yourself and look through it.
Yes, for sure, so you can go inand play with it yourself and
look through it.
Yes, and then we had David Wyatt.
You want to talk about hisplatform environment strategy
2.1.

Nick (40:41):
Yeah.

Ulrikke (40:41):
I love that.

Nick (40:43):
Yeah, this is pretty cool because, I mean, of course, we I
met David at MVP summit.
Um, he does.
I love his articles.
They, you know, and this is, ofcourse, he has a whole series
of them, so check out his stuff.
But he talked about, um,different power platform
environment strategies.
This is something that circlesback every so often and because
it, um, you know, basicallytalks about you know, setting up

(41:07):
.
In a nutshell, all about youknow, you know, setting up your
dev, your test, your prodenvironments, or breaking it out
by geographies and things likethat.
This one is interesting becausehe's talking about, in his new
version, about the nuances ofCopilot Studio, ai Builder and
Dataverse and basically abouthow Copilot because there's

(41:29):
different governance strategiesaround that there's obviously
because you know you're buildingthese agents, you want to make
sure there's guardrails andthings like that.
So he's proposing I'm not justsaying this isn't, this is his
opinion of it, which I don'tdisagree with His strategy is to
split the CoPilot studio fromhis other environments, almost
mirroring what they're doing anddoing in the power platform,

(41:51):
but having co-pilot studio onits own stream, just because,
for a couple reasons, he says itcould grow beyond the power
platform, what we are kind ofseeing co-pilot does go beyond
the power platform and how itcould have its eventually its
own admin center and things likethat, separate from Power
Platform stuff I'm not sure ifthat will happen or not but also

(42:12):
in terms of security andgovernance, being able to
monitor that a little bitseparately from everything else,
because the securityconsequences are a lot more, I
guess, in-depth than typicalPower Platform.
So I'll definitely won't giveaway, I won't spoil alert his
entire article, but it's reallygood he has diagrams there
because, like you and I, like wesay we like pictures, we like

(42:33):
diagrams.
So he has all that and talks alittle bit about the different
things.
He talks a little bit aboutPower Pages as well in this
environment strategy and kind ofupdating it.
So definitely if you're tryingto figure this out in your own
projects or for your owncustomers, david's content is
always a great resource to gothrough and evaluate what you're
working with and get somedifferent ideas and different

(42:55):
perspectives on things yep, yeah, I love that.

Ulrikke (42:58):
And then just I wonder where, where he get that uh
diagram from, because I like thestyle of it.
But that's just me being such astyle geek, but of course, as
always with d's content, it'sjust pure gold.
So very good job.
And then I just wanted toquickly kind of go back up and
then continue, because we shouldhave mentioned Charles Mordu.

(43:23):
No, steve, jesus, charles Mordu, steve, I created a monster.
Don't tell anyone, oh, mordu, Icreated a monster.
Don't tell anyone, oh, no.
So Steve Mordu has.
When he was an MVP, he kind ofregularly called up some of the
hot shots and stuff to have achat with them, as he can,
because he's Steve Mordu.
But now he posted a chat onLinkedIn about.

(43:45):
Charles has a chat with someoneelse to chat on LinkedIn about.
Charles has a chat with someoneelse, um, where and of course
the tagline is that even evenCharles Lamont himself says that
, um, the business applicationsare dead.
Uh, what is it?
Final kaput sayonara.
Um, and I, yeah, so it's.
It's an interview with CharlesLamont where he goes through

(44:06):
kind of actually the same topicthat we started off with this
conversation about and howbusiness applications is
changing and the advent of AIand the digital workforce and
where it's going.
So if you're interested in thistopic, I highly recommend, of
course, seeing that interviewwith Charles first and then
reading Steve Morgue's blog postor article afterwards, kind of

(44:29):
his comment on the conversationitself.
So very interesting yeah.

Nick (44:35):
Yeah, Lots of yeah, Again food for thought and goes back
to our thing Things are changingquickly.

Ulrikke (44:41):
Oh yeah.

Nick (44:46):
All right.

Ulrikke (44:47):
Oh, the next one's mine .
I was just waiting for you tokind of segue your way into your
next one because, oh yeah, thisis, this is how it goes.

Nick (44:53):
I have, I have nothing, I have nothing.
And then you look through like,oh, you have a shit ton of
stuff here, but and I can't evenget into the link of the thing
that I talked about.

Ulrikke (45:04):
I think we just skipped this one.
What's going on?
Why can't I just oh, it's ajoin the call session, something
, something, wow oh yeah I can'tsee it either, so it's mvpb is
a to a and it doesn't existanymore.
Two major ai activity let'sjust skip this one.
Things are changing this fasteven our links are yeah, yeah,

(45:28):
so the news and updates are justout of date before they're news
and updated, so maybe we wantto move on to the Cobalt Studio,
applied Skills, because that issomething we're really into, or
you are into and I pretend I'minto and that eventually I'll do
.
Maybe that's what I'll doinstead of doing my customer
service certification there.

(45:49):
You go.

Nick (45:50):
So yeah, let's just backpedal a little bit.
Applied skills socertifications within the
Microsoft world still exist.
You want to be certified insomething?
Shameless plug.
If you want to get certified inPL900, come to my session in
Las Vegas at Power PlatformCommunity Conference when we're
going to be prepping for that.

(46:10):
But this is something a littlebit different.
So, along with certifications,microsoft has these things
called applied skills.
Applied skills actually, theway it works is very much like a
certification, but instead ofwriting an exam with multiple
choice and questions and things,you actually they'll fire up a
virtual machine within yourbrowser and you actually have to

(46:31):
go and either configure or fixor debug or build something
using particular tools.
So of course, they have anapplied skill at Power Automate.
They have applied skill onmodel-driven power apps, applied
skill on Canvas apps.
They now have an applied skillson creating agents within
Microsoft Copilot Studio.
Now my plan when I put that linkin, I was actually going to go

(46:53):
through and take that assessment.
I have not done that yet.
I think April Dunham has a.
She had a posting, or this iswhere I originally found the
posting, or posting or a videoand something on that she had
actually had gone through it aswell and something that she had
actually gone through it as well.
So again, if you think you're a, if you really want to kind of
show your expertise in Copilot,studio and building agents, this

(47:15):
is something you can go through.
Go through that assessment andthen when you assuming if you
pass, then you have that assomething you can add to your
learn profile.
It is a kind of like acredential, very much like a
certification, to kind of proveto people that yes, I do know a
little bit what I'm talkingabout.
I actually have the piece ofpaper or the digital certificate
to prove it.

(47:36):
So definitely check that out.
I think it's fairly new.
Like I said, I haven't tried itmyself, but maybe by the next
time we record I'll have gonethrough it and I can let people
know if I either passed orfailed or how it went.

Ulrikke (47:50):
Maybe I'll race you to it.
Maybe it's one of those whereyou know, there we go.
Yeah, yeah.

Nick (47:55):
Because everything is a competition with me.

Ulrikke (47:57):
Actually, someone told me off on that this week where
they said so you and Nick keeptalking about the fact that you
were going to do an, not an HTTPserver, but an F.
Oh Jesus, my mind is now mush.
A component, a React component.

(48:18):
And then you never did.
And I was like, ah shoot, Ihoped you wouldn't mention that.
And now I mention it foreveryone, but maybe now we don't
have to, we just five-code itlike we said.
And next I see that we don'thave to.
Just five code it Like we said,okay.
And next I see that we kind ofneed to get going.
You can't outsourceaccountability.

Nick (48:37):
Speaking of accountability , that's hilarious, it is true.

Ulrikke (48:41):
Actually a bit of a gut check, yeah, yeah.

Nick (48:44):
So maybe we can outsource it.
So this is by Louise Freeze.
Again, we talked about her oneof her opinion pieces last week
and then she posted another oneabout accountability and
basically it's interestingbecause it kind of goes into, I
think, more of an older themethat I think we've all might

(49:05):
have been involved with who ownsthe system?
Where's the outcome?
Older theme that I think we'veall might have been involved
with of um, but who who's whoowns the system?
Where's the outcome?
Um, the outcome needs owners.
Um, about the vendors like isit the vendors?
Or something goes wrong, aproject goes wrong, and they and
they always used to talk abouthow most Sierra projects fail
and is it the customer's fault?

(49:26):
It's the vendor's fault?
How is it going?
And now it's with AI.
What's the AI strategy?
Whose fault is if it fails?
Who's leading this?
Who's owning this?
And then basically about owningthe decision-making.
So again, this is a great littleconverse, a good reminder, and
working on projects and workingwith customers or the role of

(49:47):
customers themselves, and Ithink that's something that
sometimes we a customer justsays we need a system and they
kind of like hire consultants tocome in and build the system
for them.
But I think the most successfulprojects that I've been involved
with where there's a very tightcollaboration, maybe either
with the clients or with a verystrong product owner product

(50:08):
owner in a scrum standpoint,meaning someone who owns the
project, who makes the decisions, who sets the priorities, and
this is where projects becomesuccessful.
And, of course, now in thewhole new world of AI, where
we're not sure what thedirection will be or what the
end in mind will be, this isagain where someone needs to own
that process, take ownership,take leadership around that.

(50:28):
So good little pigeon piece,kind of nice reminder of these
things.
And I do like these posts tokind of reground ourselves a
little bit Sometimes things thatwe can share with the customer
as well as we're engaging withthem about making projects
successful with collaboration.
So thanks, louise, again forthe content that you produce,
really thought-provoking, and Ithink it's very important in our
space.

Ulrikke (50:50):
I absolutely agree and I had the privilege of being in
the presence of the princesslast week and so big shout out
to Louise.
She's so much fun, she abidesmy day.
Okay, so quickly moving on tojust mentioning a few things
before we wrap up.

(51:10):
I saw Extreme Makeover ModelDriven App Edition.
That was so much fun and I sawand he used.
So this is Ricardo Gregory, whomade the longest blog post of
the year, I think, with abazillion ways that you can
actually customize model-drivenapps, because you hear that all
the time that, no, withmodel-driven apps, you're so

(51:32):
limited in terms of what you cando and the interface and I know
that Sarah Lagerquist and MatsNecker have they do that session
that they do so well of how youcan actually use icons and fill
with the ribbon and the actionsthat you can do.
There's actions that you can do.
There's so much you can do.
So this kind of goes to showthat this is the ultimate

(51:54):
resource really for all thethings you can do, and all the
things it doesn't mean youshould.
I just need to add that,because when you can change the
font to Comic Sense, it doesn'tmean that you should.
Okay, so just use it with care,and I'm a bit scared to share
this with devs, because ugh.
Okay, moving on, I'm going tochange everything to Comic Sans.

(52:19):
Stop.
You're not, I'm going to hit youso hard, okay.
So, sean Asterhan, I need tolet him say that.
Right, astrakhan posted anotherPower Pages related kind of
flow chart on LinkedIn thatshows you how you choose if a

(52:40):
project is right for Power Pagesor not, and I love that and I
think we should do more of it,because this is the question we
get all the time.
And also he put a picture ofFranco Musso's face on it and of
course, anything that hasFranco Musso's head on it I will
share on this podcast becausethat's so much fun.
So he's like is Bar Page thefit?
And the first question is isDataverse your backend?
If no, then it won't be worththe price and I agree it should

(53:04):
be backed by Dataverse done.
And then second is can yourteam handle pro code?
If not, then you will hit awall with only out of the box.
So you shouldn't use it and Isubscribe to that.
I agree, if you.
I never say this every time Italk about PowerPages out in the
open.
I say if you don't know webdevelopment, you should not do

(53:26):
PowerPages because you won't doit right.
So I agree.
And the third one is ifinternal, do you have more or
less than 40 end users, becauseif you have less than that,
maybe a model-driven app, itwould be better for internal use
, but if you have more than that, it's often more suitable to

(53:47):
use PowerPages, because thelicensing model is actually
cheaper to use PowerPages thanhave a premium license for
everyone.
And then the fourth one is isthere a minimal graphic or
real-time intense operations?
Because if they're not and youneed or have a high demand on
graphics or high demand inreal-time operations, you

(54:09):
shouldn't use it.
There are other frameworks thatare better, and if you do, then
you get to Franco Museau, and Ilove that because it's so much
fun.
So thank you guys for that.
That was a good resource.

Nick (54:22):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, it was good to see.
I did see Sean and Franco inSlovenia.
Always a treat then.
Uh, just a kind of bit of aplug.
Sean does an exclusionaccelerator course.
Um, he does different cohortsand I kept promising I was going
to mention and shout it out forthe last three months now.
So, sean, definitely check outSean's uh course, if that's

(54:44):
something of interest.
It was so good, it was such agreat course and it's very
interactive and Sean's just,he's a bundle of energy and I
just love his stuff and such agood guy.
Yeah, um, and franco too.
Um, yeah, saw franco and theirsylvania yeah, that's fun.

Ulrikke (54:58):
I love franco, but I don't think I would describe him
as a bundle of energy sometimeswho franco or sean franco oh
yeah, no, yeah, you're right.

Nick (55:08):
No, franco is sorry.
Uh, sean's the italian.

Ulrikke (55:11):
Yeah, very much the italian relaxed guy, uh, but
yeah, yeah, let's move on.
Uh, we love you both guys funyep.

Nick (55:19):
So anyways, um, there was the partner call this past week
and I believe this, thisinformation is, is, um, you can
get some of this, but basicallythe rundown is they demonstrated
the uh, the single pageapplications within power pages
and it kind of blew me away likeI read the article we mentioned
it two weeks ago about this wascoming about how you can build

(55:40):
apps and then import those,basically use power pages sort
of as the framework or thefoundation for this.
They showed, um, some amazingexamples, which the link is in
GitHub so you can actuallydownload these links, basically
with those samples.
One is like it was a creditcard website which he

(56:00):
demonstrated I forget who it was, one of the team, from members
of the PowerPages team.
So all those assets are thereso you can actually go through
and begin to play with thisstuff.
The cool thing about this isyou can basically build your
entire site within using Reactand TypeScript and those types
of components as a single pageapplication.
But then you have the benefitsof the PowerPages authentication

(56:22):
, the PowerPages security, justbeing able to host it within the
Azure web app and then also,once it's brought into the
solutions, be able to ALM deploythis downstream, so it has tons
of benefits.
It isn't quite.
It's still in preview, so it'snot ready for production yet.
There are a few things thatthey're trying to work out.
Environment variables wassomething that I had brought up

(56:45):
in this conversation, with themsaying okay, guys, we need
environment variables for thedifferent authentication types.
They agreed with that.
They said that's coming, sothis isn't something to use as a
component within an existingPowerPages site as it stands
right today.
This is something you wouldbuild instead of using the
regular low-code tools andcomponents of a PowerPages site.

(57:07):
You would build the single-pageapplication completely on its
own, but then you wouldbasically import it into the
PowerPages sort of framework andfoundation, which gives you
tons of benefits, like I said,in terms of security and
deployments and all this otherstuff.
It uses the PowerPages web API,so all of those features to
talk to Dataverse, to read andwrite to Dataverse is all there

(57:30):
and basically it just kind ofblew me away and I kind of feel
this could be the future ofPower Pages.
Does this mean you have tolearn how to code and react in
TypeScript?
Not necessarily, because thisis again where some of these
vibe code or these coding toolswill come to play within GitHub
that you can begin to work.
What I see happening is thecommunity going forward and

(57:51):
building a list component,building a form component that
you could take these componentsand build into your single page
application to basically buildthe equivalent PowerPages sites
that you would before withprobably about the same amount
of effort, but also gives you alot more flexibility in terms of
the look and the feel to matchthose Figma designs that your
customers are going to bethrowing in your face when

(58:13):
you're in these PowerPagesprojects.
So check out those if you're.
It is still very technical, butit is something that I think
they're making it more and moreapproachable to PowerPages
builders and makers.
So, yeah, interesting times.

Ulrikke (58:30):
Yeah, very much so, and also very power to the procoder
right.
So it is moving in thatdirection and it's very curious
to see where this is going.
I think this is a very kind ofstrong indication for Microsoft
in terms of where everything isgoing in that direction.
You're opening up, you havecode, like we talked about
earlier, the code, apps and thegenerated pages, and the notion

(58:51):
of the design studio where youdrag and drop your interface
into your canvas, is kind ofwell.
Yeah, we're a bit beyond that.
So it's going to be interestingto see where it goes from here.
But, yeah, let's wrap it upwith some of the things that are
upcoming.
We will have a bit of a summerbreak, but I think we'll still

(59:12):
do podcasts.
I don't know, we haven't reallytalked about it, so you'll just
have to wait and see what popsup in your feed.
Dynamics sorry, dynamics,convegional Rocky Mountain this
is new.
What are you going to do?

Nick (59:25):
What am I going to do?
I'm going to talk about powerpages.
What, wow, exactly?
Yeah, so this is happening.
This is the dynamics user groupin um.
Yeah, they're doing a kind of aregional.
It's very similar if they didhere in canada, uh, last week as
well, like a full day ofsessions and things like that is
put on by the dynamics group,same group of people that do

(59:47):
DynamicsCon.
So I'm kind of turning thatinto doing that session, but
turning it into a bit of a bitof a bit of a vacation trip as
well.
Going to be, of course, going tothat session, learning all
about new things in the PowerPlatform for, specifically for
the folks in Denver, colorado,but then I'm also going to be

(01:00:08):
going to the Shaw Classic, which, for those people who know
Strongman, it is the strongestman on earth.
No, I'm not competing, I'm justgoing to be watching, and this
is where all the big strongmenof the world, like Mitch Hooper
from Canada will be competing,who won the world's strongest
man multiple times.
In all these big, huge events,picking up heavy things, this is

(01:00:31):
stuff.
Strength sports is one of mypassions and my friend Andrea
big shout out to Andrea is goingto be powerlifting there as
well.
So there's going to be apowerlifting competition.
So watching her helping her out, running her numbers, a little
bit potentially so kind ofturning into that trip, so
that's so.
No one cares about that.
Yes, if you're in the denverarea, you care about the power

(01:00:51):
platform.
Uh, august 21st, come to thedynamics user group um, I
believe there's still ticketsavailable for that.
And then, of course, we go intothe fall um collab days in
finland, nordic summit.
Of course, they're beginning toput the push on get your
tickets now, because they willsell out.
Oh yeah, so be on top of that.
And then, and then, of course,they're beginning to put the
push on get your tickets nowbecause they will sell out.
Oh yeah, so be on top of that.

(01:01:12):
And then, and then, of course,in the end of october, power
platform community conference,use boost 100 to get a hundred
dollars off your ticket.
So make sure you get that.
I have a couple.
I have a workshop, a sessionwith eliza benitez.
I'm pretty excited about that.
Uh, doing that with eliza.
And yeah, that's the fall.
Of course, we'll probably talkabout this as we're coming up

(01:01:32):
over the summer.

Ulrikke (01:01:34):
Yep, 100% Okay, and with that, I'm sorry, let's wrap
it up and yeah, good to see youand have fun and I'll catch you
in the next one.

Nick (01:01:47):
Catch you later.
Bye-bye.

Ulrikke (01:01:50):
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