Hack the (AI) Planet! (#58)

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Ulrikke (00:00):
Can I talk about one thing please?

Nick (00:03):
It's half your show.
You talk about whatever youwant.

Ulrikke (00:06):
So you know the thing we talked about from the release
wave.

Nick (00:09):
I want to let everybody know.
Before we started recording,Ulrikke said she had a monster
and something else, but I knowwhat you're talking about, not
something else, but it's nowlive and I tried it out and it's
just.

Ulrikke (00:25):
I almost cried when I saw it.
It was so beautiful.
You just go in through thisinterface and it's, it's the

(00:52):
Hello.
Everyone, and welcome to thePower Platform Boost podcast,
your timely source of PowerPlatform news and updates, with
your hosts Nick Doelman andUlrikke Akerbæk.

Nick (01:04):
Fair enough.
So all of this AI stuff thatwe've been talking about, that
I've been talking to you aboutthat, I'm talking to my wife
about that, I've been talking tofriends about that aren't even
in this space.
There's been an overwhelmingamount of information.
There's people in businessestrying to apply it to their
businesses.
I've heard, I see I've heard ofpeople that say I don't want to

(01:27):
do anything about AI, I'm notgoing to worry about it, you
can't make me do it, you fire mebefore you make me use it.
To other people that seem to beall in yes, ai is great, and
then you kind of try to zero inon what it is they're doing.
And so much information, somany things.

(01:48):
I think we're all.
I don't think we're struggling.
I just think that we're at abuffet right now and you go to a
restaurant and you see all thefood in the buffet and you're
like where do I even start withall this?
And then you just load up yourplate and then, all of a sudden,
your plate's almost overflowing.
This is where we're at rightnow, I think, in the stage of

(02:12):
all this ai information andthings like that.
Um, so, yeah, so where, whereis your head at?

Ulrikke (02:15):
this week in terms of ai.
Yeah, because, um, yeah, thiscome, yeah it's.
It comes from a place where welook at the show notes and we
recognize that over half of thethings that are in there are
related to ai co-pilot.
And then we go what do we do?
Do we keep this a very much apower platform specific podcast,

(02:37):
because the co-pilot includesum is included in the platform,
so or do we kind of try tomanage it?
And I think we're both at aplace where there's so many
important things that arehappening around co-pilot studio
and that, as a, as a productthat we have to touch on in
order to and to spread the wordto people out there that maybe

(02:59):
not have time in their dailywork to keep on top of these
things.
And I still want to do that,even though maybe we don't touch
on the other products of theplatform as much, because right
now, the news and the updatesand the announcements that we
see it's full on around open AI,about Copilot Studio and about
agents, and so I think whatyou're going to see is that we

(03:22):
follow where the news and theupdates and the new capabilities
are, and that's what you'regoing to see is that we follow
where the news and the updatesand the new capabilities are,
and that's what we're going totalk about and be preoccupied
with Now.
When Fabric came along, thatwas very much on our radar.
You know, we've talked a lotabout Foundry and there's so
many things that come in thatare new that we talk about, so I

(03:44):
think this is just natural forus to right and and, and we're
looking for feedback too fromthe listeners, like you want to
just hear.

Nick (03:52):
I mean, I know some of you just want to hear the news and
updates and you probably skipover the the banter that we have
about you know the weekends andthe weather and all that, and I
know that I've also heard froma lot of you basically saying,
yeah, just hearing you two talkabout it makes me feel better in
my position, where I'm attrying to figure this out as
well.
So, but definitely provide thisfeedback.

(04:15):
And you know, and again, wealways say, this podcast is
really just to give us an excuseto chat with each other, but
really, at the end of the day,it's really sharing with the
community and engaging thiscommunity.
You know, making sure we all asa community work together and,
um, rising tide to make allboats float up or some bad, bad

(04:36):
thing of that saying Um yeah,yeah, no.

Ulrikke (04:39):
So so how about this?
Um, for the future episodes,what we'll do is we'll share
with you the kind of links thatwe send to each other anyways,
because our WhatsApp chat isfull of links back and forth and
it's a crazy hot mess ofeverything.
So we'll keep it to the techrelated things, but I mean the
things that preoccupied us, thethings that make us want to
share with one another.

(04:59):
That's what we're going toshare with our listeners going
forward.
So that's you and that's whatwe're going to share with our
listeners going forward.
So that's you and that's whatwe're going to do.
That's a promise we make andthat's kind of where we draw the
line, I think.

Nick (05:09):
Yeah, that sounds awesome.
So I think, just to kick thisoff in terms of things like that
, there was a post by our friend, yuka Nirenin.
Of course everybody knows Yukaand to me I don't know what it
was, but maybe it was the mood Iwas in or the when I read it,
but to me it was just sort oflike yes, yes, this, this to me

(05:32):
kind of hit.
Now I'm not going to, we'llshare the link to the post, but
specifically, I'm just going tobasically just bring up the what
he said, like oh, just I'mgoing to take a line out of what
he said, so you'll see thewhole post.
But basically he said becauseAI as we know it today is not

(05:53):
about products or solutions.
It is not going to magicallyallow you to increase
productivity or replaceemployees by signing up for
service X from vendor Y.
It's not a top-down digitaltransformation initiative, it's
a bottom-up revolution, justlike low-code was is only this
time nothing is sacred or safe.

(06:14):
The whole post itself kind ofgave me chills.

Ulrikke (06:21):
Yeah, and it's funny because this is LinkedIn, right?
So you see that in one post andyou read it and you go into
grumpy Finn mode with Yuka.
And then you scroll down andthen suddenly you hit global
enterprise, american marketing,with from Steve Mardu, when what

(06:42):
he's posting is exactly whatYuka says.
This is not about, because he'snow got a new suite of services
and products all aligned fromAI out on all the things Yuka
says you cannot, or you, youknow this is not what it's about
.
So I and I think that that is myLinkedIn feed at the moment you
just have two sides of thespectrum going ding, ding, ding,

(07:05):
ding and my brain is followingthis as a ping pong ball all
over the place.
And I read yuka's post and I go, yes, ah, yes, you got it, I'm,
I'm on board.
And I read what steve's doingand I'm like, yeah, oh no,
that's what we should do.
Why are we doing this?
And then I read to the next oneand I look at what fem is doing
and I'm going, what I would?

(07:25):
I should do that.
And then, yeah, anyone else youknow, raise a hand, because I
think this is what our feed islike these days and it's.
I don't think the point is tosettle.
The time is not to settle.
I think that's the point.
The time is not to settle.
I think that's the point.

(07:46):
The time now is to embrace bothwhat you're saying and what
Steve is is talking about andproducing.

Nick (07:53):
Yeah, because at the end of the day, whether like I think
the bottom line is whether welike it or not AI is going to
change our jobs.
Is it going to come for ourjobs?
I don't think so, but our jobis going to change.
And this brings up to and likeagain what I liked about yuka's
thing.
It gave a very much of the kindof that movie hackers feel like
hack the planet.
That was something I actuallyposted on it.

(08:14):
It's about, you know, usingthis stuff.
And he talks about vibe codingand I know there's our feed is
full of what vibe coding is andwhat it isn't.
There's the naysaysayers likegoing, well, vibe coding can't
do this, and the other is going,this is going to change
everything.
And I think I even posted onone of Steve's things.
It's like okay, programmers,pro coders, ai is not going to
come for your job.

(08:35):
Steve is Now we've been sayingthat for years with low code
solutions and things like that.
So I think, at the end of theday, everybody's safe.
But for me doing when I'm doingdevelopment tasks, my visual
studio code desktop right now,full pilot, a github co-pilot is
open and I'm experimenting withdifferent models and things
like that and I am actuallyreally impressed of I'm both.

(08:58):
It comes up with some absolutegarbage sometimes, but it also
comes up some really good pointsand it goes through and
highlights the changes.
So not only am I able to diveinto things, I'm learning new
things like well, I didn't knowI could do that.
That's really cool.
I can apply that to otherplaces, I mean because I'm
coming from a place ofunderstanding code.
If I didn't know what I wasdoing at all, then I would have

(09:19):
to really break it down intosmaller and smaller chunks in
order to be successful, whichthere's going to be a line of
diminishing returns in terms ofbeing able to develop code,
understanding code and get it toall work together.
And, of course, this is goingto get smarter and smarter.
And, of course, hopefully,these AI agents are also going
to incorporate things likesecurity and governance, like
all those other important sidepieces that I think sometimes we

(09:42):
tend to forget a little bit,pieces that I think sometimes we
tend to forget a little bit.
So, anyways, it's really Idon't know where I'm going with
all of this, but in terms of thetools we're using every day,
I'm trying to, I'm using, I gotinto a mindset.
Okay, I need to use this everyday.
So a couple quick wins for me.
This week we were working on youand I were both working on

(10:03):
something with trying to wrapour heads around some
multi-factor authenticationchanges that are coming through
and how that's going to affectall of us.
I went through and applied intoa reasoning model of doing some
research.
Here's my problem, here's whatI need, here's your role, here's
this and it did.
It broke it down into a chartformat, breaking down what it is

(10:25):
that we needed to do, why weneeded to do it, the impact of
all of this, and then evenallowed it to ask some questions
and things like that.
To me, that was really powerful.
I shared that with the team,and so that was something we
kind of worked and collaboratedwith a little bit together and
try to kind of sort all of thesethings out.

Ulrikke (10:44):
And can I just say something before you continue?
Because what I loved about thatwas that actually, it also
looked into the future.
It said today this is thelimitation, this is what you
need to do, but please make surethat you keep a close eye on
the release notes or the releaseplan, because this is changing
and Microsoft will soon enablethis and this and that, and also

(11:04):
, by the way, make sure youdon't check this checkbox.
So it was kind of, yeah, it wasa business oriented, it was a
solution oriented, it was detailoriented and it was kind of
future proofing its own solution.
I loved it, it was brilliant.
When you put that in the chat, Ithought, oh, you just saved my
ass because that was what I wasjust going to do.
Right, cause you just beat meto it and I and I love it and

(11:25):
the fact that we just share itacross, because I think there's
a certain degree of promptgatekeeping going on as well in
companies today.
Right, you want to be thesmartest kid on the block.
You want to be the guy that'smost the the best kind of
prepared for a meeting.
You want to do your ownresearch with chat deputy or ai

(11:46):
service you use.
You want to go into the settingand be the star.
So it's.
I feel like more and morepeople are kind of gatekeeping
and not sharing, because I don'tsee what you did as often as I
should at this point, so I'm notsure if that, you know, strikes
a chord with anyone.
Maybe we could have aconversation in the chat kind of
how often do you share yourstuff with other people, or

(12:06):
maybe kind of holding your cardsclose to your chest.
I don't know.

Nick (12:10):
This is, this is what I've been starting to do is like
it's even um, even in one of mypresentations I was putting
together I'm going to dynamicscon this week and I thought, oh,
and this is on our platformpipelines which I'm presenting a
hundred like.
But anyways, I thought, oh,it'd be great if I did a slide
comparing all the differenttypes of ways to deploy
solutions in Power Platform.

(12:31):
And I know we have there'speople, blog posts and different
things.
And I thought you know what?
No, I'm going to ask ChatGPTand I kind of gave it the
parameters here's what I'm doing, here's what I want to compare.
And it came back and asked mequestions Do you want to stick
just to Microsoft solutions oryou want to incorporate
third-party solutions and howdetailed do you want to go?

(12:51):
And I put it all together and itpresented me with a table that
I basically cut and paste andput on the slide and then I also
put here's the prompt I use togenerate the slide to share with
the people.
So it's not like it's making melook smart, it's basically
going hey, you guys areempowered with this information.
You can go forward as well andI don't think there's anything
wrong with.
I think we're we're beginningto.

(13:12):
We'll see that a lot where, um,it's kind of show your work,
show your prompt, because withthese sharing these prompts,
then people can take that andapply it to their own scenarios
and learn from that as well.
So to to me, this is you know,look like I would say look at us
using AI on a day-to-day basis,you know so.

Ulrikke (13:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, and and I and I recognize that
and also the frameworks, right,so you have some just kind of I
know you were going to share allthe fancy things.
You uh, you can go back to thatAlso keeping an eye on time and

(13:54):
on the stuff we want to share,because this really ties into
the next link that we have here,which is yours and this is
something you shared with me avideo on YouTube, because I also
have a bit of a thing with that.
Do you want to share whatthat's all about?

Nick (14:09):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Basically it was a podcastcalled Learn it All.
It's on YouTube, it's not onSpotify, but it's on some of the
other ones, but we'll put thelink to the YouTube link, for
sure, and it's basically aninterview with someone called
Jeff Woods.
You may or may not have heardof Jeff Woods.
He's written a book about AIwhich I'm actually reading or

(14:29):
I'm audiobooking right now Notright right now, but you know
what I mean.

Ulrikke (14:34):
But it's basically that's multitasking on the next
level.
You're too much of a man to dothat.
I did not expect you to listento that at the same time.
No, no, no.

Nick (14:45):
But it talks about what leaders need to know about ai in
2025 and he had a couple reallyinteresting points.
Basically, are you going to bethe next net?
Are you the blockbuster?
Are you the next netflix?
And this is how even the bookstarts.
Talk about blockbuster,multi-billion dollar successful
company and you know.
And then now like I can't youcan't go and rent videos at a
store anymore.
It's just that's way in thepast.

(15:07):
And about the shift to Netflixand the streaming services and
things like that, just showinghow this technology changes.
But the other thing is a coupleof things that he said in the
podcast is a job is nothing morethan the skills you apply in
the process you follow isnothing more than the skills you

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apply in the process you follow.
And basically I think a lot ofit is a part of our jobs is
applying the ai as a tool to toour jobs, um, and making that a
lot, a lot faster.
And then also the other thingis that ai is a tool, not an end
destination.
I know a lot of people okay, weneed to be an ai company, we
need to to do this.
Well, what does that mean?
And to me it's like if you're acompany.
And here's an analogy I heardyesterday and this is actually

(15:51):
good credit to my wife, she cameup with this 100 years ago you
milked a cow to get.
If you needed milk, what didyou do?
Someone milked a cow by hand ina bucket.
And then you get your milk byhand in a bucket, and then you
get your milk.
And then what happened?
We had these automatic milkingmachines.
So still, someone had to put onthe milking machines.
I grew up on a farm.
I did this every day for my forlike 15 years of my life.

(16:12):
Um, and then the milkingmachine would go and you would
do that.
And then you're now to a pointwhere we're getting robotic
milkers.
So, but at the end of you know,and the robotic, the cows go in
the stall, the robots hook itup.
It's really cool if you everget a chance to see it, you
should.
But at the end of the day, whatare we doing?
I want a glass of milk and itstill comes from a cow.
It's all of this process andthis is part of our job, and ai

(16:35):
is accelerating how the jobs aregetting done.
It's changing the context, butat the end of the day, your job
is still the job, so that's'snot changing.
It's AI being applied to it.
So AI is not going to take yourjob.
It's going to change your job,but again, it's all about the
skills you're applying and theprocess you follow.
The process is changing andmaybe some of the skills as well

(16:56):
.
So that again, ai is the tool,not the destination.

Ulrikke (16:59):
Yeah, and you share that.
I'm sorry.

Nick (17:04):
Go ahead.
Yeah, and you share that.
I'm sorry, go ahead.

Ulrikke (17:18):
No, no, you talk now I've been flabbergasted real
predicaments where they'refacing bankruptcy, they have a
lock situation in a culture theydon't know, in a situation they
can't handle, and they'relooking at closing their
business down.
And they reach out to him or insome way they talk to Jeff and
he says, oh, have you asked AI?
And then with a very clever andvery thoughtful and very

(17:41):
thorough prompt, they'reactually able to navigate some
of these business challengesjust by that prompt.
And it blows my mind now howlittle I've done in the past.
Now I've said this multipletimes If you're not ashamed of
the code you wrote a year ago,you haven't had any progress.
That very much applies to AIand the time span is a week.

(18:04):
I can't believe I tried tosolve the things I solved last
week with my head.
Now that I'm in, I'm now, likeyou, have a Copilot no, sorry,
github Copilot up and running.
You know, I have chat tippityand I have a bazillion chats
going and we have so many thingson the go Business strategy,
prepping for meetings, making myown visual brand.

(18:24):
There's so many things on thego.
Business strategy, prepping formeetings, um, making my own
visual brand.
There's so many things going onand I can't believe I didn't
understand this way of using itbefore, because what I learned
from this is his approach tousing ai to enhance your own
mind, right.
So he has a framework and itcalls it crit, context, role,

(18:48):
interview, task.
So you the you build the promptthis way.
You give it a context.
So I'm a powerful consultant, Iwork with power pages.
That's my expertise.
I'm an mvp travel the world,blah, blah, blah.
Role.
Your role as a, as a attendeeat these events.
Yeah, you want to learn from me.
Now.
Give me three to five interviewquestions to enable me to solve

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the task of forming my contentin a way that you can adapt to.
Or I have a meeting.
This and this is the context.
Ask me questions to make mesmarter.
I want to be able to think morestrategically when I'm in
meetings.
I can't ask chat TPT to give methe solutions to questions I

(19:34):
get in meetings.
I have to be able to think thatand I want to be better at it.
I'm using it as a tool to helpme expand and grow my mind.
That is what I've unlocked thelast few weeks.
I've been just it's how.
It's fantastic.

Nick (19:51):
I'm blown away by it yeah, and basically it comes down to
his whole, his whole thing.
Uh, jeff wood's thing is use aias a thought partner, um, and
and that's what I've been doingwith like it's as opposed to
yeah, like exactly what you saidyeah, or as a yeah, you're the
thought leader and it's yourthought partner.
It's, it's the person you bounceideas off.

(20:13):
I mean, I still encouragepeople to do that, like I do
that all the time uh, bounceideas off real people.
But this is also.
It adds another context, givesyou another avenue and, yeah, it
just even produces informationof like trying to solve I forget
the context.
I was trying to solve anotherproblem and it came back with a
solution for me that I didn'teven really think of and I'm

(20:36):
like huh, wow, so yeah, butdon't you want to, because
that's when I stop, because Idon't want that.

Ulrikke (20:44):
And I stop because I don't want that and I've
explicitly told it not to dothat.
I want it to teach me to evolvemy brain to the point where I
can think of the other thing.
Right, because if youconstantly ask it to give you
the answers, what are you goingto do?
You're going to become lazy andyour brain is going to shut off
.
Because that's what the braindoes, because it will optimize
for the easiest path of leastresistance.

(21:06):
So what I'm?
And it's hard.
It is now very taxing for me touse chat, gpt, because suddenly
there's an added layer of alwaysaccumulating knowledge.
I'm pushing myself, I'mstretching my brain.
It's become a friction, fullexperience for me.
So I'm now kind of consciouswhen I have the mental capacity
to go in and work with it,because suddenly it takes more,

(21:28):
because it just gives you theanswers.
Well, it's nothing right.
So, but what I do recognize isthat when I can ask, that I
don't ask you as much, becausebefore I would ask you or I
would ask a friend or asksomeone else.
I'm looking into this problem.
Am I seeing the full picture?
Can you see what's wrong withthis.
I mean experience.

(21:48):
This is really weird.
Or I'm going into this meeting.
Do you want to have a bit of acall before so we can kind of
just give each other a littleboost and a little context here?
No, now I find myself doingthat on my own with Chat to PT,
and I really don't want anyoneto interfere with that process,
because now we have a thinggoing.
Does that make me more isolated?

Nick (22:09):
Hmm, that's a good question.
And I just wanted to go to yourfirst point about giving the
answer.
And I totally agree.
It's like, oh, there's theanswer, why?
There's the why didn't I thinkat that moment?
But then there's also hey, Ithink it's more.
The benefit is did you thinkabout this?
And I'm like, hmm, I did thinkabout that.
But now that you say it thatway, this triggers my, this

(22:31):
triggers a thought in my brain.
Oh, but maybe I'm not good atthat way, but maybe I can take a
little bit of that idea,formulate it with my own ideas
and come up with something new.
This, to me, is the hugebenefit.
But yeah, in terms of isolation,you're right.
You look at social media, right, you know, we're just, you know

(22:52):
, going on the different socialmedias and like, oh, I don't
need to ask somebody, I can goand find some of this
information on my own.
I mean, that's part of thecommunity as well, but that's
definitely food for thought.
Is this going to?
Are we going to have a closerrelationship with ChatGPT or
Copilot than we actually arewith other people?
And this is what I think Iencourage.
We still need to have thoseconversations, but maybe we're

(23:15):
better prepared with theseconversations as well, saying,
hey, I did this thing withChatGPT, it came up with these
ideas.
You're a real human.
What do you think of this plankind of thing.
I mean not for every case, butthis could be part of the.
If we can, I think we need toinclude our own humans in our
loops to make this reallyeffective.

Ulrikke (23:35):
Yeah, yeah, 100%.
And also I mean I saw so justto kind of keep track of the
things, because we're going togo way over this time.
So, cause we should have done,we need actually we have enough
content to go once a week ormore often, so we're trying to
squeeze it in so you'll get longepisodes.
That's just a benefit for you.
Cause I saw Femke Cornelius andshe posts all the time on

(23:57):
LinkedIn prompt, I'm sorry.
And this time she waspublishing a prompt sheet yes,
Cheat sheet that she came upwith just a one pager.
It was really good, reallyhelpful.
But the funny part is, now thatI'm so that I'm using chat to
be all the time.
Actually, I just finished my ownand I asked that kind of

(24:19):
because I was all into the crit.
Because I was all into the crit, there's so many prompt
frameworks.
I said give me the five mostpopular frameworks that I need
to kind of get the broadestpicture and, from what you know
about me, the five prompttechniques that I should be
using more.
Give it to me in a frameworkthat I can easily remember and
put it up as a desktop.

(24:39):
I can put it on my laptopdesktop.
And it went oh okay, and thenit just created one back and as
a desktop icon I can put it onmy laptop desktop.
And it went, oh, okay, and thenit just created one back and
forth a little bit and now Ihave it as a desktop screen.
So I mean, this is very much sofun to see things that pop up
that you know, you give it like,oh yeah, I just did that.
All right, I kind of feel like,yeah, I'm on the same level as

(25:00):
Femke Conill is in now.
Oh, look at me.
But then, and then I look ather next post and I go, no, I'm
way off, way behind.
But I think also that's onething you know I ranted to you
earlier this week that I'm like,I feel like I'm just, I'm so
behind, I'm not doing it right.

(25:20):
Everyone's just ahead of me.
It's look my right, Everyone'sjust ahead of me.
It's look my LinkedIn,Everyone's just getting it and
I'm not feeling it.
And you went, yeah, and 99% ofthe world barely even touched it
.
It's just in our bubble.
It's just we're the 1% ofpeople that get this and because
we are surrounded by otherpeople in our little echo

(25:40):
chamber, it feels like we'refalling behind.
But, of course, talk to friendsand family.
You realize that.
No, actually it's just ourlittle bubble, yeah, yeah.

Nick (25:54):
And you talk about that and maybe I'm kind of jumping
around, but you talked about,like you know, using the
co-pilot and I think this tiesin.
But my wife sent me this promptthat she did and this she has a
I think a lot of people havethe full Microsoft the co-pilot
studio where she put this in,and her prompt was based on
previous chats please summarizemy personality and it came back.

(26:19):
It just sort of blew us away ofhow that kind of nailed it, but
it was very positive.
So she followed it up with wow,that sounds very positive, but
can you give me some criticalfeedback?
Things I need to work on?
And, holy crap, it nailed it.
It chopped back with thingsthat you know you're a little
this and a little bit too much.

Ulrikke (26:37):
so maybe this is something that you might not
want to do if you want to hearthe illicit truth yeah, nope,
because and I've seen variationsof this and I think that was a
very simple prompt, but I'vealso seen the internet is full
of these where you know you havethis really deep, um and really
thought and crafted prompt thatwill give you the things that

(27:00):
you don't know about yourself.
So tell me the five biggestlies that I'm telling myself and
why I'm telling myself theselies, and what would happen if I
dare to face reality.
And there's always kind of abit of a caveat going.
Make sure you're ready and onlyput this in if you are actually
really ready for the result andthat you have time by yourself

(27:23):
to process what it comes backwith, because this will give you
the truth and it's um, it's abit done and I'm not done it
because I know myself wellenough to know I'm not ready for
it yeah, because and the thingis, because that's the thing ai
doesn't care.

Nick (27:37):
It doesn't care about your feelings.
Yeah, maybe, that's.
Maybe that's the episode titleai doesn't care about your
feelings yeah, exactly, it's aninternet bully.

Ulrikke (27:47):
No, no all right, let's yeah let's try to keep track of
things here, okay, so, um, soall of this is very um.
I think it's valuable, not justfor us but for other people, I
hope, uh.
But there are also news andupdates in terms of the
technologies.
So, for instance, you havewhat's new in Call Palette

(28:07):
Studio, the April version we'renow in the middle of May, so
maybe a bit behind, but actuallyfor April, the computer use for
Call Palette Studio agents, nownew limited research preview,
and Charles Amana says if aperson can use an app, the agent
can too.
So I mean, this is, like yousaid last time, rpa for agents

(28:29):
and co-pilots and yeah, so it'svery interesting to see the two
worlds merge together I'vesigned up for it.

Nick (28:36):
I haven't got a response if I'm in or not.
You need a us based tenant,which I have set up the the
us-based preview tenant.
So I'm curious the fact I'mable to set up that tenant in my
environment, but I'm not.
Well, we'll see.

Ulrikke (28:49):
We'll see and I'll hopefully report back yeah and
uh, there's a new graphconnectors and you have advanced
approvals for agent flows.
This is very interesting, jesus.
When they unlock that, theadvanced approvals wow, and you
have the reasoning and you havethe transparency to see what it
does.
Yes, cobalt Studio, support forcustomer managed keys We've

(29:13):
talked about that before and afew other things.
So make sure to check what cameout of April in terms of news
and updates for Cobalt Studio,what came out of April in terms
of news and updates for CobbleyStudio.
And also we had Bail, whichused to be called.
What did we use to shorten itfor BizApps?

Nick (29:31):
BizApps.

Ulrikke (29:32):
Launch Event, I know so , microsoft Business
Applications Launch Event.
That's what it stands for, bail, but we used to shorten it for
something else.
I can't remember what it was,and I saw a really cool demo
from Kendra which blew my mind.
It has to do with enhancedtesting capabilities in Copilot
Studio.
Okay, so what she shows is andthis is just, I get so excited

(29:56):
about this, I get excited abouteverything, but this is just.
This is really cool.
So she creates an agent and thenshe configures it, and that's
one part of her demo.
And then she configures it.
That's one part of our demo.
And then she goes in and shesays all right, so let's start
testing it.
And then, of course, you cantest it in the interface by
chatting with it.
But it's an agent.
It should be able to go off anddo things on its own.

(30:16):
So what you can actually do nowis you can say, oh, so we need
some testing.
Can you create tests for you?
And then it does.
And then not only that, but youcan say, oh, nice test, I love
it.
Can you now produce test dataso that I can test you using
your test data that you created,on the test you created to test
that you work.
Yeah, sure, it does that too,and I'm like I'm blown away.

(30:38):
It's just an inception thing.
And Kend, way, it's just aninception thing.
And then kendra is also just afreaking great presenter and so
it's just.
It just blew my, blew my mind.
So test and debugging, agent,actions in copilot, studio
people, automatic testing andalso that brings me to vibe
coding, because something yousaid we talked about vibe coding

(30:59):
.
This is a few weeks back.
You said said well, with vibecoding comes the throwaway app
mentality right, so you cancreate an app in a week because
people go oh, how are you goingto maintain it?
Because it's a crap appmaintenance.
You're going to edit one thingand it ruins the whole thing.
Well, why would you need tomaintain it if you could just
create one new one just aseasily?

(31:20):
And not only that, but then allthe new will bring in all the
new frameworks and all theupdated versions of everything,
as long as you have the testing,so that you're able to test
thoroughly that it works thesame way as the other one, that
it handles data the same way,it's just as secure, just as
accessible.
If all of those tests in place,why wouldn't you just create a

(31:41):
new app?
Those tests in place?
Why wouldn't you just create anew app?
And I think testing, just bythinking through that scenario,
testing is going to be soimportant going forward.
So if you're a techie and youwonder where you're going to put
your money and what you'regoing to do next, automated
testing is just yeah, that's.

Nick (31:59):
I would put my money on that yeah, oh for sure, and and
like not only just the data andthe usability, but security, pen
testing.
I see if you, if you have asecurity, if you're in it and
security right now, I mean youknow start, start looking for
mansions and yachts, because Ithink this is going to be such a
, such a I wish I understand, Iwish I understand security, I

(32:21):
wish I know, security.

Ulrikke (32:23):
I would be so rich.

Nick (32:26):
Yeah, yeah, but I can.
I can also see it being apretty uh high stress job as
well, Um so, saying I don'thandle stress, I don't know.

Ulrikke (32:37):
I'm just kidding, all right.
So, um, trying to jump a littlebit around here to see so that
we both have things in here, butI think we can just talk to all
of us both of us.
So I looked at a few AI thingsthat inspired me this month by
Charles Numana.
Every month now he comes outwith a new article about things

(33:00):
he is inspired by, and this timeit was very much about A2A
framework from Google thatallows you agent to agent
interaction.
Yeah, did you read anythingabout this?

Nick (33:13):
I didn't.
I didn't go too too deep intothat, but I've heard a few
things.
It's sort of, but it, I mean itmakes sense right, like
industry standards, like USB-C,I think, is the analogy they're
using a lot with MCP.
I mean, at our house we'reprimarily in terms of our phones
.
We are an Apple house and Iknow there's this whole Android

(33:36):
versus Apple.
But now we're in the transitionof some of us in our house are
still using the lightning cables.
We got new iPads that use usbc.
I know we're merging to usbc,but it's just sort of like you
have all these different cablesand connectors on just your
mobile devices.
But now but that's what I liketo see with these agents and the
um, the whole these frameworksis yeah, now we can actually

(33:59):
connect things together a lotmore easier and use use the
right, right tool for the rightjob.
If Google's got something thatworks better than Microsoft,
well, why don't we use theGoogle piece?
But we can still use our otherMicrosoft pieces as well.

Ulrikke (34:14):
Right, and so this is much larger than just different
partners partnering up.
So what Google has launched isan A2a agent to agent framework
that everyone can use, and Ithink this is also talking to
just what you said.
You know, the um, uh, dvd, uhor the.
You know it wouldn't be so manyplaces where you had to choose

(34:35):
what to do, angler, react right,and then someone wins at the
end.
But actually this is reallyquick because google was on the
ball and they said well, we gotthis framework, everyone
subscribed to it overnight.
It seems Everyone's embracingit.
And now, with MCP servers.
So just to kind of explain topeople how this scenario enables
us to do is that now, fromCopilot Studio, you can create
an agent with an MCP server thatcan connect to anything.

(34:59):
So it's a connection hub thatallows you to connect to
anything you want, to anything.
So it's a connection hub thatallows you to connect to
anything you want.
You can then have an agent toagent connection that allows you
to connect your agent to otheragents on other services or
providers.
And now look at MasterCard isnow also released an agent API

(35:20):
which allows you to performcredit card transactions.
So actually now you canpotentially create the agent
that in you says you know what Iwant to go on, all expenses
paid a weekend or week somewhere.
Just give me this travel, justbook everything for me travel.
And it can actually go throughand do it, because up until this

(35:42):
point we haven't been able todo the transactions yet.
But now, with mcp and a to aframework, we can amazing scary.
Yeah, I'm not sure would you doit?

Nick (35:54):
no, I would not hand over my credit card to ai.
I say that this week, maybenext week would be different um,
because I do.
I do do a lot of my own travelplanning and everything like
that and I'll um, I mean, maybethis is a talk about the travel
and I'm not this.
This goes away from the a to aframework of the mcp stuff.
But just for for quick, I didactually co-pilot said go

(36:17):
through my emails, find my hotelreservations, my flight, and
give me a travel sheet.
I always do a travel sheet tostick on the fridge so my family
knows where to find me.
And it went out and did italmost perfectly and it just
blew me.
It took me five seconds asopposed to the 20 minutes that
normally takes me.

Ulrikke (36:34):
So yeah, and I think also this is from when I say, oh
, do you want to just have asimple prompt and have it pay
for you?
Of course it wouldn't, but I'mplanning an interrail trip down
through Europe with my kids thissummer.
Right, and I've given it somany instructions and we had a
very good conversation whereit's still not.
You know me and Chatipiti, thisis still not finished with the

(36:54):
planning, but I've told it.
I want to go see cities thatare, um, that are friendly
towards tourism but not touristdestinations.
I would like to sleep at hotelswith three stars, not above
this rate.
Once we have that in place, Ihonestly I don't think I would
have any reservation.

(37:15):
Saying this is my hotelscomcredentials Feel free to make
bookings fully refundable on mybehalf and send me back the full
travel artillery.
Give me the plane, the trainticket I would need for me and
my kids to go from oslo towhatever destinations we planned
and show me what that price isand book me a full, refundable
ticket that I would actually becomfortable with.

Nick (37:38):
Strangely, right, yes, because you've given it the
framework and the guardrails,the government, you've given it
the governance around that.
So, yeah, I'd be on board withthat for sure.

Ulrikke (37:47):
Yeah yeah, and that's what we need to do with
everything you know.

Nick (37:51):
I mean yeah, yeah, well, it's, it's very important but
it's the same as handing yourcredit card over.
If you have a, an executiveassistant kind of thing, right,
book be my flights, or I used tolet, I mean.
But what scares me is becausemaybe it's a little bit I had a
project once.
I had to fly to Winnipeg fromOttawa.
For those of you who live inCanada, winnipeg to Ottawa would

(38:14):
probably be like a two hourdirect flight basically.
But my customer just said, oh,we'll book your flights for you.
Yeah, sure, just let me know.
And to save money, they put meon a milk run.
I went from Ottawa to Toronto,to Thunder Bay, to Sault Ste
Marie, to Winnipeg.
It took me all day to do a twohour flight.
So after that I'm like, no, no,I'm going to, I book my own, my

(38:36):
own travel.
Um, so, yeah, if an AI, if anAI agent did that to me and,
like you know, all over theplace, then I'd have trust
issues, which I still do.
But if I give it the parametersand this is what you said, I
kind of did a similar thing gaveit parameters, I want direct
flights, I want this, give melike, actually give me the links
of what's available, and then,yeah, it's amazing and you can

(38:59):
feed it different and it evensees.
If you watch the reasoning inChatGPT on one of the models,
you can see it thinking it saidokay, checking kayakcom,
checking Expedia, checking thissite, it's going through.
It's basically doing what Iwould do, but it's doing it.
So yeah, but, yeah, lookingforward.
So we'll hear an episode afterthe summer how your adventure

(39:23):
went, when you end up with yourkids somewhere in a country in
south in africa we never heardof before, but you know you had
a good time yeah, maybe, maybeI'll discover a new continent,
who knows?
yeah, um copilot sure does.

Ulrikke (39:35):
But have you seen, because I love it when it kind
of talks about our conversationin third person.
When you go use the one of thereasoning models and then you
ask it something, it has to goout and think and then send it a
little box up here when it saysso she asked you to, so you now
have to do, and it has aconversation with itself about
our conversation in third person, and then that disappears and

(39:58):
then suddenly it gives me myanswer back and I go um, who are
you talking to?
Who are you?
Yeah, who are you?
But of course that'sorchestration, right.
That's when you see thetransparency into the agent to
agent capabilities, because youhave one agent or one set of one

(40:18):
model which is really good atthis and you have another model
where it's really good at thisand it's using the different
models and it has to have aninteraction between them into
the chat experience that I'mhaving.
So it's kind of keeping trackof what it's doing on our behalf
and then it's coming back withsomething.
So I just love seeing that andI love how much more
transparency there is now, yes,compared to what it used to be

(40:40):
and I think that calm us, givesus like, alleviate some of those
trust issues.

Nick (40:45):
So it's like, okay, it is doing, it is following the same
path I would, or oh, I didn'trealize that this site existed
and it's doing it.
But yeah, it is kind of weirdseeing that thing talk to itself
as it's figuring something out,but again, it's watching a
genius at work, I suppose.

Ulrikke (41:02):
Yeah, yeah, you're not wrong.
So just to close this A2Aprotocol and MCP stuff off, this
week Carlson and Mona actuallyannounced that Coppola Studio
and AI Foundry will now supportA2A, building on the MCP support
we announced earlier thisspring.
So if you have a requirementregarding that, please check

(41:24):
that out.
We'll put links in the shownotes.
And to close off the whole AIco-pilot 40 minutes rants you've
had so far, we have a post onLinkedIn from Thomas Vander Ward
.
Is it Ward or Ward?

Nick (41:42):
I would say, thomas van der Waals.

Ulrikke (41:44):
Ward yeah, okay, fast.
Yeah, sorry my mistake.
Should Coppola Studio replacePower Art Mate or stay in its
own lane?

Nick (41:58):
It depends.

Ulrikke (42:01):
Ah, chicken, chicken.
Oh, you don't want.
Bark, bark, bark, bark, bark,bark.
Oh, you don't want to go there,do you?
It's a really weird post.
Have you seen it?
Because it's just putting.
It's very long, there's fewwords, like a poem.
Yeah, it's like a poem, butit's also.
It resonated with me because Ithink that's what my mind does

(42:23):
when I think about these things.
It's like cause, you go fromone thing to another and then
you go back and then you moveforward, and then you go to the
left and then to the right, andthen suddenly you go oh, I
landed where I started.
Yeah, so it's, it's fun.
I love seeing posts like this.
It kind of makes you thinkshould it, should it not?

(42:44):
And I can't say either way atthis point, can't.

Nick (42:58):
No, but I think it kind of goes back to a little bit what
we talked about last week withAnna's post and her flowchart of
.
You know, do you use an agent,an automation, or you just keep
doing things manually, and thenI mean I find those are really
helpful.
And I mean I find those arereally helpful, but again, with
all these other tools and stuff,I think it's going to blend
together where like even I did apost on it was basically power
automate but I used AI builderprocesses.
It wasn't calling an agent perse, it was using AI, but that

(43:18):
might be part of it.
We're building power automatebut we might be calling agents
as part of that, or the agentsare calling uh, power automate
flow.
So that's still part of ourstructured processing, but we
still can incorporate otheragentic you know uh ideas into
this.
So my answer would be it'sgoing to be both.

(43:39):
I think it's going to mergeinto one thing down the road,
but who's who knows.

Ulrikke (43:50):
I think you're right, because I think there is
specificity needed in someprocesses where you can't allow
the LLM to go free.
The generative AI cannot justwork on probability, which which
it is doing, so you need to bespecific enough.
And it has has to do withsecurity, has to do with I don't
know GDPR, sensitive things.
Right, you need to make surethat it's doing it correctly, so

(44:12):
that's when you're going toneed it, and then for other
things, you can allow it to justroam free, right, so you want
to move on to the rest of thethings, because there are other
things happening in the techrealm around Power platform that
does not necessarily touch onAI.
Right, you want to go with oneof yours first.

Nick (44:34):
Do I have anything?
Oh yeah, I do.

Ulrikke (44:36):
Yeah, this was a quick?

Nick (44:36):
Yeah, yeah, I do.
Actually.
This was a quick little onethat actually it stood out
because I was working with.
For those of you who doPowerPages or do other
development, you probably playedwith FetchXML before and
FetchXML is the querying toolthat's part of Dataverse.
It's been part of CRM forever.
We all talked about how I wasthere at this.

(44:57):
You know the invention of theinternet and all that other fun
stuff but it was interestingbecause I was using FetchXML
Builder from our tool from JonasRapp, which of course we all
should have installed and we useevery day.
But then there was a wholebunch of new.

Ulrikke (45:12):
You can pay for it.

Nick (45:13):
Yes, please donate, um.
But then there was a wholebunch of new pay for yes, please
donate, uh, buy, buy, yonas abeer or more, um so, but it was
interesting.
There was a whole bunch of newlink options which I know were
added to fetch xml, but I didn'treally pay much attention to
these.
But then it came into a case ofokay, I do need to do some
inner and outer loops, but ithas these other functions like
there's any, there's not any,not all exists.

(45:35):
Match first row using crosssupply.
I'm like, what are these?
I've never knew what these werebefore.
And then, thankfully, there wasa post on LinkedIn, um, by, uh,
someone I've not heard ofbefore, but hopefully again, uh,
more contents coming fromPranjal Tiwari and Pranjal.
Thank you for this post.
It was really well written.

(45:55):
Basically, he gave a table ofthe different link type options
in FetchXML and then basicallybroke it down and gave Kind of
applied it to a little bit ofhow SQL works, which is
something way in my background.
So it was really interesting.
So it's a great post.
If you're trying to wrap yourhead around these new FetchXML
or new, they might have beenthere for months, I just never

(46:20):
really noticed it before.
But if you're learning fetchxml and you need to make fetch
xml dance a little bit, becausesometimes you do run into, you
do run into boundaries or someedge cases when you're,
especially when you're linkingother entities, this could
probably really get you out of ajam.
So so, yeah, thanks, pranjal,for this post.

Ulrikke (46:34):
And I don't think, I don't think even months cut it.
I think this is years and alltime old, because I've had to,
the way that I've approachedthis, as if I'm, in fact, xml
builder and I don't get theresults that I need.
I just play with that, I justgo through the list until it
gives me what I was expecting togive.
And then I was like, oh, so,this is an inner Okay, but enter

(46:56):
in there and so, and then itworks.
I have no idea why.
And so this was just soinsightful.
I'm like, oh, oh, of course, oh, yeah, now I get, oh right,
light bulb moments.
Still have those.
And in another light bulbmoment, actually, because I saw
something, um, that was reallyweird, so, or not really weird,

(47:19):
okay, so in the red crossproject, we have something where
you have an activity board andthen, uh, you, there's a, a set
set of roles that you can, um,fill, right, so I'm putting on
an activity, I need threeactivity leaders, I need four
volunteers, I need da-da-da-da,and then, as a volunteer, you
can go in and you can grab oneof those jobs or roles.

(47:41):
Now, in PowerPages, imagine,and of course, a flow kicks off
and then there's a web API andwe do some and we kind of just
put that volunteer on that spotand then that's filled.
But imagine two people doing itat exactly the same time.
And we've had that, of course,up and we've talked to our PO
about it and he said, well,actually this is not enough of a

(48:03):
real thing for us.
It's not that high usage ofthese, so we're going to leave
it for now.
We're going to revisit it later.
And then I talked to a friendof mine, scott Durow, a friend
of ours, and we talked about Now, we're going to revisit it
later.
And then I talked to a friendof mine, scott Durow, a friend
of ours, and we talked abouttransactions, and transactions
is because I'm not a prodeveloper.
I'm like, yeah, this doesn't.
And then we left it.

(48:25):
And then suddenly there's avideo where Scott goes through
the principles and the theorybehind it.
It's a bit you know, videosfrom Scott usually kind of
snappy and you have the, butthis is a bit more low key, it's
slower music, a little bit oflow key.
It actually kind of affords youto learn deep learning.

(48:46):
It talks about acid tests, soatomicity.
If one thing fails, theneverything rolls back
Consistency, consistency,isolation and durability, so
that a transaction can put alock on something so that the
second one has to wait.
And it goes through everythingfrom kind of the theory how it

(49:06):
works in practice, how you dothis with dataverse, and also
from the power pages perspectiveof how that would work so that
you wouldn't have two peoplebooking the same ticket at the
same time, kind of scenario, andit was really insightful.
So very good video.
And then also the day after Iwent through that video, I saw a
broad post from KalashRamchandran which was handling

(49:37):
transaction errors in dataverseplugins.
So, having that video and thattheory from Scott, when I read
this blog post, I would not haveunderstood a single thing about
this if I didn't have thatknowledge fresh in the back of
my head of how you can now usetransactions In plugins.

(49:58):
You have that ability to handletransactions and how you manage
errors, to kind of alert.
If you have two things going onat the same time and one fails,
then you roll the whole thingback.

Nick (50:11):
So it has examples of good bad practices and good best
practices for how to do that ina plugin, um, which is really
really cool and insightful nowthat I understand more of it, um
, so yeah two very goodresources for you guys to check
out yeah, this problem came upto me a few years ago because

(50:32):
this was before the invention ofauto number, like the auto
number field in in tables anddataverse, because we used to
there's things we always used to, you know, want to auto number
things and there was a timewhere the only auto numbers that
were available out of the boxwere for like invoices, quotes

(50:53):
and orders Everything else.
You had to build your own autonumber.
So you think, oh, no problem,I'll just create a classic
workflow that just incrementsthe number and pulls from a
table.
But then you realize you havemultiple people that are putting
in like let's say, eventregistrations, for example,
registration 001, 02.
You have multiple people doingthat.

(51:14):
Or, even worse, from aPowerPages site where multiple
people are registering, you endup with duplicates out the yin
yang that are using the exactsame number, and it's crazy.
So I remember we developed aplugin to try to get around this
and even then it wasn't ahundred percent bulletproof,
because at that time the idea oftransactions really wasn't

(51:36):
built into plugins, so it wasjust sort of like okay, how do
we get around this?
And of course you start dealingwith people that have an sql
background in sql.
This was something that's beenthere since day one, like going
back into the 90s of doing lockson tables and things like that.
So you talk to developer, we'lljust use a sequel lock.
Well, we yeah exactly.
We can't because we don't havewe can't, we can't do that, we

(51:59):
don't have that ability.
So so, now that this is, youknow, 10 years too late, but at
least it's there, now goingforward, um, because, yeah, yeah
sorry yeah, so but.
But basically, yeah, like.
But to me when I, as soon as Isaw that, I'm like oh, we can
finally solve that auto numberproblem from 10 years ago, which
is no longer a problem becausewe have auto number fields now.

Ulrikke (52:22):
But also you have to recognize the opposite, because
what Dataverse is actuallyreally good at is doing multiple
things at once.
That means it scales and it'sperformant and it can handle so
many work load at the same time.
So it's one of those thingswhere sure you had that in SQL
10 years ago.
But then look at what you knowDataverse is really good at.
So it's always a trade-off andI think that's going back to

(52:43):
what you said earlier.
It depends.
It depends on your use case, itdepends on what you're building
, it depends on what is the mostcritical thing for you and also
the skill set and the ecosystemand everything you have to put.
Take everything into account,um to find the right solution
right?

Nick (53:00):
Yes, yes.

Ulrikke (53:01):
All right, so we're closing it on the hour now, um,
but we have a few other thingswe want to discuss, so, um,
let's just um talk about.
Can I talk about one thingplease?

Nick (53:17):
It's half your show.
You talk about whatever youwant.

Ulrikke (53:20):
So you know the thing we talked about from the release
wave, where you can trace oneflow from start to finish and
you can see all the child flowsand all the other things that
are related to it.

Nick (53:34):
I want to let everybody know before we started recording
, odrika said she had a monsterand something else, so, but I
know what you're talking.

Ulrikke (53:41):
The thing is not something else, but it's now
live and I tried it out and it'sjust, I just, I just wanna.
I almost cried when I saw it.
It was so beautiful.
You just go in through thisinterface and it's the generate
process maps for multi-flowautomations.
You go in through the interface, you choose a starting flow and

(54:04):
AI goes through and it maps outall the things that this flow
is related to.
It tells you the child flows,it tells you other flows that
are updating the same thing andit gives you a visual map where
you can follow from one end tothe other.
I mean, come on, it's sobeautiful and I shared them to
the whole team and they wentcrazy.

(54:26):
It was, it's so good, it'sfunny because I love it.

Nick (54:29):
It was popping up in my teams, which I know was well out
of your regular working hours,and then you were just sort of
like look at this, look at this,look at this.
So I was like okay.
And then I looked and like okay, that is cool.

Ulrikke (54:41):
That is so cool and it's so helpful.
Imagine the documentation, justhaving that visual where you
can see things from end to end.
Oh, I know, as a note in yourdocumentation.
I mean, it's just a lifesaver.
And then it includes a wholewhack of other things you can
see at the same time.
And also I dove into the uh,the um automation center, which
allows you to see across your,in your environment, all the

(55:04):
flows that fail and what kind ofcapacity and all this, all
these things.
You get an automation centernow, which is is just beautiful.
I love it.
I just had to talk about that.

Nick (55:18):
Yep, cool, all right, going through, okay.
So there's a Trying to think.
What else is there?
Oh yeah, another interestingsmall little thing, our friend
Michael Roth from Germany.
Hey, mike, how's it going?
Roth, from Germany?
Hey Mike, how's it going?

(55:38):
We'll talk about turning managedto unmanaged in terms of
environments.
And it's interesting because,as I was putting my presentation
together for DynamicsCon aboutPower Platform Pipelines, you
need managed environments and Ithought I should put a slide of
what that means and I neverconsidered turning it on.
Do you really want to turn itoff?
Because of course, it gives youa lot more features and
functionality.
The caveat to that is all theusers that are part of that

(56:00):
environment need to have thepremium licenses which I think
in a lot of our cases.
In enterprise projects, that'snot a problem because they have
those premium licenses, but fromother projects, where they
don't, they're using the per applicense or a lower level of
licensing.
Then you don't have access tothose managed features and you
might not need them.
That's fine.

(56:20):
But then how do you flip anenvironment from managed to
unmanaged?
And if someone just asked me, Iwould have just assumed oh,
just go in and unclick thebutton you did to turn it on.
But that's not the case.
I didn't know that.
And Michael goes through how touse PowerShell to go through
and flip your managedenvironment back to unmanaged.
It was a question he got.
He did the research, he sharedwith the community.

(56:41):
This again is another exampleof sharing, saving keystrokes.
If one person has that question, probably 100 other people have
that question and by answeringit once in a blog post like this
, you've answered it.
Everybody else and um, and welearned something I didn't know.
So thanks, michael, for thatpost yeah, 100.

Ulrikke (57:00):
I love this so easy and so, uh, something you didn't
know, you didn't know yeah verycool.
So do you want to close thisoff with one of the last ones
here?
Do you want to go directly tothe events?

Nick (57:14):
um, yeah, uh, yeah.
This is um, yeah.
So I did a, I did a podcast.
So there's about three things Ireally want to touch on here
briefly.
I did a podcast with griffinlichfeldt, um which you have the
link.
There was, uh, definitely a lotmore personal to me than a lot
of the other talks I am leadinginto a talk at Dynamics Minds in

(57:38):
two, three weeks, two weeks,two and a half weeks about
burnout and powerlifting andmental health.
So I did talk quite a bit abouta burnout that I had in the
past.
We did see a link from one ofour friends and I did ask for
permission if we could sharethis.
This is from Rebecca Albers,who's a great friend of both of

(57:59):
ours, a really great lady.
But she just basically kind oflaid out the line, said I've
taken on too much, I need toscale back.
So it goes to show it's ifyou're feeling overwhelmed or
you're feeling burnt out in thecommunity.
You're not the only one.
I think all of us at some pointwill have felt different levels
of that.
So there's no reason to notfeel bad about it or feel

(58:19):
ashamed about that or anything.
It's something we all gothrough and, again, this is
where we as a community candefinitely help each other out
as well, and sometimes it's justsharing your stories and just
knowing you're not the only one.
And what are some of yourcoping mechanisms to work
through this, and it's sometimesthe best medicine is just to
take a step back.
You don't need to go to everyevent, you don't need to post a

(58:40):
video every day or do a blogpost every week, um, and it is a
lot of work.
There's certain things like,like I said, what I do for me is
is just being in the gym, um,working out.
For me, it's my mental releaseand mental help.
It just keeps my mind settled,allows me to focus.
So, with that session, withwhat Rebecca posted and with the

(59:04):
talk with Griffin Lickfield aswell, these things all kind of
came together, sort of sharing abit of my story if you're
interested.
But again, if you do want totalk about this, whatever, reach
out to friends or, yeah, cometalk to me at some of the events
.
Speaking of overdoing it, I amgoing to a whole crap load of
events in the next four and fiveweeks, but my dad always say do

(59:27):
what I say, not what I do.

Ulrikke (59:29):
Yeah, exactly, but yeah because we don't lead the way
on this one.

Nick (59:34):
Definitely not so.
But anyways, yeah, I didn't, Ididn't want to kind of close out
on that.
Despite all of this stuff, the,the you know, all this tsunami
of AI information, trying tofigure out our way, everything
like that, we do, we do have asupport, we do have a support
community around us.

Ulrikke (59:52):
So definitely there's take advantage of it yeah, and
if anyone ever needs to talkabout anything, we're here and
we're not that different inprivate that we are, because
we're very much what we're likehere.
So, uh, just reach out if youneed to chat.
And also we recognizeespecially new mvps.
There are some groups in ourcommunity that we pay extra

(01:00:13):
attention to and young mvps isone of them where we know that
the first year is usually whenpeople find it the hardest and
people crash.
So we do really recognize thatas well.
Talks about how to survive aconference as an introvert,
because I think that actuallyfits very well into one to the

(01:00:36):
to this, where she talks aboutwhat it's like to be an
introvert at events like thisand actually a lot of good ways
you can.
You know actual things you canapply to manage it, if that
applies to you.
So, so things like it's notjust pick your social moments,

(01:00:57):
divide and conquer, plan yourenergy, not just your sessions,
and also it's okay to say thatyou need space.
Don't apologize for that.
You're not the only one, and weknow a lot of people in our
community that are introverts aswell as extroverts.
I mean, I think it's kind ofhalf and half and you have
someone who's both in the middle.
So I mean, if you don't feellike social settings fill you

(01:01:19):
with energy but it costs youmore energy than it gives.
Maybe you're an introvert andthat's okay, as long as you're
aware of it and you know how tohandle it, so that you have a
great experience and everyoneelse has a great experience.

Nick (01:01:33):
Yeah, absolutely yeah, and yeah, and thanks for bringing
that link back up, cause thatwas at the top there, but it is.
That's the thing you go in andyou don't have to go to every
single session.
That's fine, like, go to theones you want to do, or like,
you know what we do and we're atit, we're at events together,
we, we, we actually divide andwe kind of we bring it together.

(01:01:53):
Sometimes we do a podcast onthat.
We hope to do that again, uh,soon.
But again it's like and a lot ofthese, uh, here's a here's a
secret a lot of these sessionswill actually be repeated at
other events.
So if you miss, you know, uh,someone's session at a
particular event and you knowthey're going to be at another

(01:02:13):
one, chances are they're goingto be doing very similar or the
same session again.
So you don't, you know.
So there's a lot there.
But just yeah, conferences canbe overwhelming by day three.
Of course, your head is buzzingwith new ideas, but you could
also be okay, I'm done withpeople for a few days.
I know I get like that, yeah,so yeah.

Ulrikke (01:02:36):
Yeah, and also usually conferences will share the side
decks for all the sessionsafterwards.
So as an attendee, even thoughyou didn't see the session, you
probably get access to the sidedeck.
So that's also a way to spreadyour knowledge.
And a little other secret thatwe can share is that you don't
see it, but all of us sneak outand all of us take time.
I know so many people in thecommunity I know more people

(01:02:58):
that do that than people thatdon't.
Usually you won't see every oneof us the whole day, just don't
because everyone's at sessions.
You don't realize who takestime to go at the expo hall for
a bit of peace and quiet duringsessions, for instance a very
good way to or stay in a verygood conversation.
Just skip a session, stay inthat conversation and have that
good connection instead.
It's so important.

(01:03:18):
Um, and yeah, just do what youneed to do to get it.

Nick (01:03:23):
We have a whole list of events, but I mean, we, we do
that and these are all available.
But we do want to call out forthe European Power Platform
Conference, um, to use boost asa discount code.
So if you've not got yourticket yet, um, Ella reached out
to ask us to kind of say hey,there's a, we have a, we have a
discount code for you guys.
I forget what it was, Um, Idon't know.

(01:03:46):
Maybe I don't know, I had itsomewhere, Sorry.

Ulrikke (01:03:49):
Um, I thought we put it in the show notes.
Let's put it like that Perfect.

Nick (01:03:55):
Yeah.

Ulrikke (01:03:55):
And also, our next episode is going to be May 28th,
and yeah, isn't that right?

Nick (01:04:06):
Yikes Already.
The end of May, yes, and thatis going to be.
I'm going to be at DynamicsMines that day.
So again sneaking yeah, peoplesneak out to take a break.
I'm going to sneak out dynamicsmines that day.
So again sneaky yeah, peoplesneak out to take a break.
I'm going to sneak out andrecord a podcast episode.
I'm not presenting that day, soit works out good.
So, yeah, I'll be able to kindof report from the field, so to
speak.

Ulrikke (01:04:27):
Sounds awesome.

Nick (01:04:29):
Cool, all right.
So I think everybody's brain ismelted by this point, or hope.
Your commute was good, yourdrive was good, your gym session
was good, your walk was good.
Thank you for allowing us to,uh, be part of the conversation,
um, and some of theconversations you're probably
having with your colleagues andfriends all about this wonderful

(01:04:51):
world of technology and AI thatwe live in.

Ulrikke (01:04:55):
Thank you so much for listening and we'll talk to you
next time.

Nick (01:05:05):
Thank you for listening.
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(01:05:28):
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