Human Touch (#62)

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Ulrikke (00:00):
So do you want to talk about the flows connection?

Nick (00:04):
reference replacer oh yeah , I know you haven't seen this.

Ulrikke (00:09):
I haven't seen this, so tell me, because now I'm going
to get excited and I didn't lookat it deliberately, so that you
can tell me and I can getexcited.

Nick (00:16):
Okay.
So imagine this You're workingon a project, on a project, and
then, all of a sudden, there'sfive bazillion connection
references all pointing to thesame.
Basically the same connection,or the same thing, and let's
just say you're in the projectlet's just say you're in this
project and all of a sudden youstart kind of yelling at people,

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at teams, to make sure they gettheir connection references
sorted out before a deploymenthappens.
As you're doing the deploymentall of a sudden if it's
prompting you to make all thesenew connections or like letting
the team know and shaming peopleand things like that.

Ulrikke (00:53):
So well yes.

Nick (00:55):
I'm just a hypothetical scenario here.

Ulrikke (00:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hello everyone, and welcome tothe Power Platform Boost podcast

(01:23):
, your timely source of PowerPlatform news and updates, with
your hosts, Nick Doelman andUlrikke Akerbæk.
Hi Nick, how are you.

Nick (01:33):
Hey, I'm doing good, thanks, how's the summer going?

Ulrikke (01:36):
Oh, the summer is not here today, but it was here last
week or this week Monday.
It was here last week or thisweek Monday.
Okay yeah, so all good, and youhad a bit of a heat wave and
then it kind of quieted down.

Nick (01:51):
Oh man, we've had a heat wave and then we had nice
weather, and then right nowthere's thunderstorms rumbling.
So if you lose me, that'sprobably why.
So let's see how this goes.

Ulrikke (02:03):
My daughter would be so envious because she's really
sensitive to the pressurechanges in the atmosphere.
So when there's a thunderstormcoming afterwards she feels so
refreshed because then all thetension is released and she's
been begging for a thunderstormfor weeks.
So when I tell her you hadthunderstorms, it's going to be
so envious.

Nick (02:19):
Yeah, my daughter as well loves thunderstorms.

Ulrikke (02:22):
But it is something about it.
I mean, especially in summer,when we've been outside for a
lot and then just having thatone day of rain and
thunderstorms is just kind ofget the blanket and the popcorn
and the movie and just stayinside and just, yeah, fill it
with other things for a wholeday.

Nick (02:38):
Yeah, it's good, I don't know.
To me it's the power of natureand things like that.
I think in another lifetime Iwould have been one of these
crazy guys that would chasestorms and things like that, but
I ended up in IT.
You say other lifetime.

Ulrikke (02:50):
I give you 10 years max .

Nick (02:53):
Of my life.

Ulrikke (02:54):
No, no, until you're that guy.
I mean, why wait until anotherlifetime?
I give you like 10 years andoff you go, you're going to be
chasing thunderstorms.

Nick (03:03):
You don't know, After this podcast I could be hopping in
my truck chasing down thisthunderstorm.

Ulrikke (03:07):
That's what I mean.
That's literally what I mean.
One of these days, you're justgoing to say I'm not going to be
bothered with this technologystuff anymore.

Nick (03:16):
I'm just going to grab my camera and run off and chase
thunderstorms in my truck,because AI can't do that yet and
it's going to do everythingelse for me.

Ulrikke (03:25):
So there you go.
Amazing segue.
Thank you, nick.
I was waiting for a straw toreach to get into the news and
updates, because that's whywe're here.

Nick (03:35):
Yep, exactly.
So okay, diving right into it.
So there's a new feature thatwe did talk about I think a
couple maybe we mentioned it thelast couple of weeks already in
Microsoft 365 Copilot.
This is the one you get through.
It's a license that.
It's a license thing that youneed that your company generally

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gets for you, and they'veenabled we talked about this
already enabling things like theresearch and some other things,
but they enabled somethingcalled notebooks.
Now notebooks is something wetalked about already, has been
part of Google notebook LM aswell Very similar feature, but
it has its own unique things.
So Lisa Crosby did a video onthis about using copilot

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notebooks and I started usingthis and I have a story about
using notebooks.
Like right after I watchedLisa's video, my wife she also
works in the industry.
She does Dynamics 365 PowerPlatform, she's a solution
architect and I said what areyou working on?
She is putting together,basically a requirements
document for a customer.

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You know it's taking me a lotof time and everything like that
.
I said, oh, and I kind of joked.
I said, oh, sounds like a jobfor Copilot.
And she says, yeah, in Copilotand Word it can help you do the
writing, but of course I'mtrying to collect all the
different things the teamsmeetings, there's different
spreadsheets where they're doingestimations, there's different
documents they got from theclient and websites and like

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that.
And I said, have you seennotebooks in Microsoft 365?
She goes no, tell me what'sthat all about.
So I showed her where you canbegin to collect all of these
different documents and things.
And then all of a sudden herlike five minutes later she's
knocking on my office doorsaying, oh, guess what I did?
I put all these things in andit helped me generate, beginning

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to generate my requirementsdocuments.
It's pulling all of thisinformation from Teams meetings
and this and this, and I'm ableto actually begin to structure
out different things and allthis.
So that's sort of an example ofusing notebooks.
And then for myself, I realizedfor people who see me on
LinkedIn and the YouTube and themovies, my own personal brand
is all over the place.
I'm going to think, okay, Ineed to consolidate this.

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My blog's been going for 10years.
I want to start.
Part of my summer projects Ihave a list is to kind of
consolidate, get my personalbrand in order, and I'm actually
one of our friends in thecommunity is helping me out with
this.
And she asked me.
She said can you put togethersome stuff you know to help me,
kind of help you with this?
And I'm like, oh crap, I got todo this.
So again, I used notebooks, Ipointed it to my LinkedIn, I

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pointed it to my Sessionizeprofile, I uploaded my resume,
uploaded some otherdocumentation and, boom, it
helped me in iterating back andforth, put together a bit of a
brand profile or personal brandprofile proposal with different
things.
I even told it these are myfavorite colors, these are the
things I want to reflect on.
And then it gave me, my next,what's that?

Ulrikke (06:24):
Do you have favorite colors?

Nick (06:28):
I do, and it gave a little brief.
And then I sent that off to herand she said this is amazing, I
can work with this.
And I said well, just to befull transparency, I use Copilot
notebooks.
Here's the prompt I use to getall this stuff.
So, again, like sharing iscaring, so we'll keep on top of
how that all goes.
But this is a if you haven'tlooked at Copilot notebooks yet,
it is something if you'reworking with multiple pieces of

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information and trying toconsolidate and work with it,
it's.
I think it's a bit of a gamechanger.
It's more powerful than reallyon the surface and I think
already a lot of people arebeginning to notice it.
So, yeah, I'm not sure if youtried out notebooks yet or not.

Ulrikke (07:02):
I know, but isn't it kind of the same as the Google
notebooks that we've had for awhile, where you can upload a
document and make a kind of apodcast thing about it, because
that's also one of the features,right, you can have two people
talk over it, create a kind of apodcast situation, much like we
have on top of the information.

Nick (07:21):
Yeah, the one drawback I did find, though, the whole
podcast thing, because we aregoing to be talking soon about
some other content, but Iuploaded a piece of content that
we got from Microsoft that wewant to talk about.
I can't talk about it yet.
I uploaded that into theMicrosoft 365 co-pilot to say
give me an audio overview,because I need to get ramped up

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on this.
It generated a 20-minutepodcast, but I couldn't download
it.
I could only listen to itthrough the app where, if I go
to Notebooks LM, I did the exactsame thing.
It actually gave me adownloadable audio file that I
can throw on my phone.
I can listen to it on the gymor whatever else.
So there are some gaps anddifferences.
I'm sure that feature will comeeventually, like everything

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right, if there's somethingmissing, come back a week later
or a day later, and it mightjust be there.
And we'll talk more about thatwhen other things like plan
designer, when we talk a littlebit about that later on, about
the, have those governanceguardrails that you might not
necessarily have using externaltools with your own personal
work information.
So there is that benefit, yeah.

Ulrikke (08:36):
And also something that Lisa touched on in her video is
how important it is to check inwith these tools every now and
again.
Is to check in with these toolsevery now and again, and also I
saw that in a post from Femkethis week as well that suddenly
now there's a new update to themodels that are behind Copilot.
Microsoft 365 Copilot modelshave had an upgrade is what I'm

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trying to say, and so if you,like me, felt like, well, I'm
not really using Microsoft 365Copilot because I find that
ChatDBT just does a better job,then maybe it's time to go back
and give it another go.
And this goes for all of the AItools that we see.
If you abandon something, youneed to go back and check it
again because these things willget updates and suddenly it's a

(09:20):
much better tool.
So I think, yeah, that is veryimportant.
And also, speaking of updates,your good friend, nathan Rose,
posted on LinkedIn five newhighlights five highlighted five
new features more like it.

Nick (09:35):
Yeah, yeah and basically and yeah, nathan, nathan does
these great little short videos,this short content, very easy
to digest.
I really, nathan, I really loveyour content, even though we do
disagree on some thingssometimes kind of a nice little
rivalry going on there butthings these are really cool,
very simple stuff.
Autosave, like seriously like Iknow these are little things

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sometimes, but of course ifyou're working on something in
Copilot Studio, then all of asudden you accidentally close
your browser, go away.
Then all of a sudden youaccidentally close your browser,
go away, then all of a suddenyou've lost all your stuff.
There's nothing more.
This goes back to the dawn oftime.
You know, making sure you hitthe save button.
I know I've, over the years,there's been multiple times
where I've done a lot of workand not hitting the save button
or losing power or something asI talk about thunderstorms and

(10:18):
power, that it just goes missing.
So there is autosave Littlething, big impact.
Agent chaining.

Ulrikke (10:25):
Yeah, sorry, no, no, because when PowerPages they
released PowerPages in NewStudio that also had automatic
save and that was a big riot fornot having it.
So it's not always the answerand I can see scenarios where
you wouldn't have it.
So I think and that was thediscussion we had back then as
well we could actually retractand I think we said the exact

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same thing in that episode thatif you want to enable auto,
anything that the user chooseand if you have auto save, make
sure you have versioning so thatyou can actually go back,
because there is a need to saveall changes and sometimes you
just want to experiment withsomething and it autosaves and
you can't go back.
So then undo, do, redo.

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That kind of thing is becomingincreasingly important.
So it's not just good news inmy book, to be honest.

Nick (11:14):
No, no, that's a very fair .
You're absolutely right,because there's been especially
what I've been finding.
So, yeah, talk about theautosave in GitHub Copilot, in
Visual Studio Code.
I've run into this where GitHubCopilot has given me some code
and I think, yeah, that's great,I apply it.
And then I'm like, oh shit, no,that doesn't work, I need to

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backtrack.
And then I realized I didn't dothe commit before I applied.
So, yeah, you're absolutelyright, there's the auto save is
a double edged sword.
Yes, it can save your butt, butalso it can it could kind of
rain on your parade as well.
So, yeah, yeah, totally get it.

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So, going back to it, nathanRose's feature so, yes, yeah,
the dangers of auto save, thatcould be a whole episode in
itself.
Um, other thing agent chaininglets your bots have play dates.
So we talk about agents, talkingto agents, and, yeah, I think,
as we get more into this, um,we're realizing you don't make
this massive agent that doeseverything, break it down and
have agents do different thingsand that way you can mix and

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match and do different things.
That's pretty cool.
This is something I, somethingI noticed, and we're going to
talk about the, the, the copilotassessment or the applied
skills, but actions are nowtools.
So if you still go through alot of the learn content, it
will say, well, add an action.
And I'm like I don't see theaction in the interface anymore,
realizing it's now been renamedtools.
It is mean, it's pretty muchthe exact same thing, but there

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are some subtle differences.
So that's sort of another thing.
This is something with copilotstudio.
It's changing on a weekly basis.
It's really hard to keep upsometimes, um, and so you know
kudos to the, to the team thatare doing this applied skills
stuff that we'll talk about itjust to keep up, because your
applied skills instructionsmight change based on the user
interface changes, advanced data, opposite screen, power,
automate, energy Okay, yeah,some more automation and things
like this.
Other thing about power effectsand agent instructions gone and

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he said, poof, no one is crying.
Okay, maybe one guy, because weall know Nathan's a big power
effects guy.
But I never got into the pointof Copilot Studio where I felt I
needed to use power effects.
Now, to be fair, I haven't gonedeep into projects with Copilot
Studio yet, but it'sinteresting that Power Fx kind
of made an appearance and thengot pulled back.
Do you have any thoughts onthis?
Or have you used Power Fx inCopilot Studio?

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Did you get that far down therabbit hole?

Ulrikke (13:37):
No, no, me neither.
So to me this is kind of a well, I don't know the benefits or
the drawbacks and why they wouldremove it.

Nick (13:50):
Um, so if we can still kind of um reference other
content and do what we couldalways do when they're pulling
it back, then yeah sure okay,yeah, it'd be interesting if
anybody, if any of our listeners, are really greatly upset about
power effects and missing fromfrom Copilot Studio, then
definitely let us know.
We'd like to keep thisdiscussion going because Power
Facts to me has always been thisis the language of you know,

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the power platform kind of goingforward, the low code language,
so it's interesting that it wassort of there.
Maybe it was just a case of anexperimental feature.
Let's just see if this sticksor if it's beneficial, and maybe
it wasn't.
So, yeah, good post, nathan,keep them coming.

Ulrikke (14:26):
Yeah, and if anyone can tell us why he's crying, it
should be Nathan.
So, nathan, please tell us, whyare you crying and no one else
cares about this?
We would love to hear it.
But these are very good updatesand I'm loving seeing news from
Lisa Crosby and Femke Corneliusand Nathan Rose on these kinds

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and there's a few others I'mgoing to mention as well that
kind of keeps posting thesesmall little updates on LinkedIn
so that we can all keep up todate on a day-to-day basis.
And I also found that forCodeCad Studio, you now have
release notes actually every twoweeks.
It seems like the cadence isactually picking up.

(15:08):
So there's a June 25th was thelast one and in that.
So that's another way to kindof keep up to date with the news
and updates.
And in that I saw somethingcalled Copilot Vision on mobile,
now available for free in theUS, and I was looking at what is
co-pilot vision?
I haven't heard about thatbefore, so I dove in and I tried

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to see what it was.
And it's like your new Ray-Bans, right, it's like you have a
second pair of eyes on yourscreen and I was scrambling to
trying to find it.
And also, this is somethingelse.
Maybe it's just me, but I foundthat you had the same thing
where it's Copilot Vision forWindows, which kind of puzzled
me because I went into Microsoft365 Copilot app that I have on

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my Windows machine.
It's not the same thing becauseyou have one.
You have Microsoft 365 Copilot,which works with your company
account, which is a pro licensetype thing.
Then you have Copilot app onyour Windows machine, which is
your personal account app, andthese two are two different apps

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.
I thought that was kind of oneand the same or not.
They're two different things.
So this is where the personalone, as far as I can see, and
also, like we said, we couldn'tfind it.
None of us could find itbecause it's now available in
the US.
So, for whoever we havelistening to us from the us,
please report back and tell usif you like cobalt vision.

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And the thing is it's a, it's akind of a second set of eyes on
your screen, right?
So you, um, you show it animage, is it?
Where is this?
Um?
You can ask it to readsomething and then give you an
image that goes with it.
You can kind of have it analyzesomething for you, look at
graphs for you compare thingsand kind of help you with what

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you see on the screen.
So it's something that, ofcourse, we couldn't try because
we can't access it, but itsounds really fun and maybe
promising.
So, yeah, looking forward tochecking that out.

Nick (17:08):
Yeah, and it'll probably show up on our stuff eventually,
like everything, I'm sure.

Ulrikke (17:12):
Like everything else.
Yes, we have so many more AInews and updates, we need to get
cracking, and you updatedyourself on Copilot studio this
week as well, because we kind ofuh uh, so I threw a challenge

(17:32):
last um last episode yes and youwon, congratulations well it
was.

Nick (17:38):
Yeah, it was funny because I remember like we, we talked
about it and I said I wanted todo it and then you said, oh,
challenge.
Then of course I understandlife.
Life sort of takes over,especially on this too.
And then last Friday I wassitting down and said, OK, I'm
actually going to do it.
I went through the materialjust to make sure I got it was
on top of things and thelearning material again a little

(17:59):
bit dated, but it's really notbad as a good foundation to it
was good.
It reminded me of all the PVAstuff that I'd learned like a
year ago in terms of topics andtrigger and all the stuff.
Of course, a lot of that haschanged.
So I experimented a little bit,had a lot of fun, kind of going
re, re, re, reintroducingmyself to co-pilot studio

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effectively to get on top ofthis, and there's a few projects
that will more and more getinto this.
So I did the assessment.
The assessment, the skillapplied skill assessments are
cool and I know we've talkedabout this before but I like
about them over certificationsis occasions I think have their
place.
You need to get a goodfoundation, but it's you kind of
have to.
I wouldn't say memorize, butyou need to have this knowledge

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and you fill in, whether it'smultiple choice or different
questions.
You do it at testing center,you can do it online and then
you get your certification, likePL 200, PL 900, by the way, PL
900, Vegas boost 100, get adiscount.
We'll talk more about thatlater.
But then the applied skillsthey have one for Canvas apps,
they have one for model drivenapps, Power Automate, some other
ones as well, but this one wasCopilot Studio.

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So basically, once you say youwant to take the assessment, a
virtual machine pops up on yourscreen and then you basically
gives you a set of instructionsand you go in.
You have to do hands-onexercises based on the
instructions.
They come in and say do X, andyou have to go into Copilot
Studio and do X and then, onceyou're all done, gives you a

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bunch of different steps, thatkind of build on each other.
Then you submit and then itchugs away and then it comes
back telling you whether youpassed or failed the assessment.
And I passed with like 96%,which was cool, but I doesn't
tell you what you got wrong.
So that's kind of where I'mlike okay, what am I doing wrong
.
Is it something fundamental?
Is it?

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Maybe it was just something?
I named something incorrectlyor whatever, but basically,
overall, it is a.
It's a great way to prove thatyou not only do you know the
tool, but you can actually workwith the tool as well.
So if you haven't taken theskills assessments, they're free
, no cost.
Basically, you log in with yourMS Learn account, you can take
the assessments and if, for somereason, you fail, then you have

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, I think, no-transcript.

(20:27):
I had to refresh the browser toactually get it to show up,
Like.
At first it was just spinningand I kind of walked away,
grabbed a coffee.
When I came back it was stillspinning.
I'm like, okay, it's eating inmy time because they give you
two hours to do this.
No-transcript.

(21:09):
Things show up on your learnprofile.
You get these littlecertificates that you can post
on LinkedIn.
I printed mine off, stuck it tothe fridge, morph, just to show
my wife that I did this kind ofas a thing that we do in terms
of like, my wife and I getcompetitive in terms of
certification exams.
She goes well, what did you get, Like?
What did you get?
It's always about who got thebiggest score.
I'm not competitive at all.

(21:31):
But, yeah, definitely try outthe skilled assessments and let
us and yeah, let us know how itwent 100% and I've had two weeks
with the holiday with the kids.

Ulrikke (21:42):
I never planned to do anything these few weeks.
It's all about knowing you well, knowing how competitive you
are, I kind of thought I'll justthrow that challenge up in
there and see what happens.

Nick (21:53):
It was strategic, I get you.

Ulrikke (21:54):
It was never, ever my plan to do it during my holiday
with the kids.
Not in a million years, shesays so now.
No, no, I'm sitting down onThursday, for I have my first
day of working now.
I'm going to work the next fewweeks.
It was always my plan to do itnow, so I'm going to dive right
into it.
I'm excited about it, right?

(22:16):
So next on the list is somethingcalled Research Agents, powered
by Project Sophia and our goodfriend, anna, which I have a
feeling you've been talking toalready this week without saying
anything more than that shewrote a blog post with seven
research agents.

(22:36):
That is a way for her to showyou how you can work with
Project Sophia, to have it helpyou with different use cases and
scenarios.
So she shows you the data thatshe uses going in, and also what
Project Sophia and the researchagent does and what the outcome
is, and how you can use it todo sales forecasting, marketing

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campaign performance, customersupport, trends and analysis,
finance support, automation andrisk identification, hr, retail
inventory projects and portfolioreporting.
So really well done, anna.
Very good blog post and I loveanything Project Sophia, so just
keep it coming.
Yeah, very good, yeah.

Nick (23:23):
Yeah, big fan of Anna, for sure, and yeah, and you're
right in terms of how she'shelping me out with some stuff
because she's so talented.

Ulrikke (23:33):
She is very talented.
And something else I justrandomly picked up was a video
called AI Research Feels SmartUntil it Isn't.
It was actually one of thevideos that popped up after I'd
seen Lisa's video, I think, onYouTube, but it was a podcast
setting where it was a writerkind of podcast where the writer

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talked to other writers andthey touched on how you use as a
writer you would use AI toresearch now, whereas you would
have researched yourself before.
And then they kind of touchedon something that we talked
about before that I found wasreally resonating with me,
Because what he says is you dothe research, you get the

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results and you get the materialthat you use for whatever it is
that you're writing your novelor whatever it is.
But actually the point of theresearch is not to get the
information.
It's about doing the research.
It's about reading through allthat material and searching and
finding the good words to useand kind of submerging your head

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in that world.
That is the point of research,not the information that you get
out of it.
And I think it talks very wellto what we've been saying for a
while is that use AI and use ita lot, but use it with care.
Make sure that you actually getthe information you need inside
your head.
We could easily have agents andwe do have agents at this point

(25:05):
that scrapes the internet andgives us the news and updates
that we use for this podcast.
We don't only do that, we kindof work with this as well, as
we've always done but we couldeasily have AI go through and
get all the resources and putthat into notebooks We've had
that capability with GoogleNotebooks for a year and create
a podcast for you.

(25:25):
But would Nick and I learnanything by doing that?
No, so why are we doing this?
We're doing this for ourlisteners, but we're also doing
it for ourselves, to make surethat we keep up to date with the
news and updates for us, whichmeans that the whole point
disappears.
If everyone are just kind ofgoing in gurgitating, kind of

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throwing out stuff that theyfind or that AI creates for them
out on the web and it doesn'teven have to go through their
own heads, Then they don't learnanything, and so it's again
like we talked about lastepisode as well use AI, but
don't forget about the doing,because it is in the doing of

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the thing that makes it stick toyour mind and it doesn't have
any value.
If it's from AI to AI, Then ifit doesn't register within you
and in between in that process,then you've lost.

Nick (26:25):
A hundred percent agree.
I started watching this videobecause you just posted it in
this morning, so I hadn't had achance, but of course, I saw
that it was about writing andthat's something that I'm
passionate about as well, and itis something that friends and
family have been Now that I havea bit of free time this summer,
and basically my family's likewhen are you going to start
writing again, when are yougoing to spit out another book,

(26:54):
kind of thing.
And I saw that, okay, this isinteresting and you talk about
you're right AI doing theresearch, and I could just say,
yeah, give me some research onthis particular topic and off it
goes From a writing perspective, part of doing that research.
All of a sudden, you get allthese popcorn ideas for whatever
content you're working on,whether it's a book or a
screenplay.
Oh, because of this.
This means this character cando this.
I've researched this bit.
Oh, that could make aninteresting plot point here as

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opposed to.
So it needs to be interactiveand when you were talking
through this, this reminded meof the session I recently did at
Dynamic Spines that we hadn'treally talked about on this
podcast after I actuallydelivered it.
It was very hard.
It was probably one of thehardest sessions I ever had to
deliver.
Putting it together was alsoextremely hard, but I actually
worked with, I used ChatGPT andbasically it was I would say it

(27:41):
was a three hour therapy session, because I just gave it here's
a session I'm working on and Isaid ask me questions.
And it asked me questions.
How did this make you feel?
What results came of this?
And I gave it answers and itcame back and I'm not saying use
Chat2BT to be a therapist foryou, get a human, but in terms
of for me or this is anothertool, I guess you could say but

(28:04):
to me it wasn't about going gowrite this presentation for me,
it was working with and thistool allowed me to collect my
own thoughts, kind of you knowsession, like put them in a
certain readable fashion alsohelped me discover things about
myself.
So looking at this particularvideo or talking about this too
and I heard another story aboutsomeone who had a book in them

(28:25):
for 20 years and never startedto write it started using AI to
help them formulate and writethis book, again in an
interactive process.
So again, this goes back towhat we've been saying it's
co-pilot, not pilot.
Ai is great, but don't let ittake over.
Now there's certain thingswhere AI is good, like, yes, you
can generate a podcast.
I I've had an 80 page ebookthat I needed to read.

(28:47):
I think I mentioned this before.
I threw it at Google.
Lm gave me a podcast and it wasa very technical book.
It was something.
It was a health book onsomething else.
It was a way to summarize theinformation.
That's great, because it waseither me reading that book or
whatever else.
This was another way to getthat information.
Ai helped.
But in terms of the research, Ido like this idea of the back

(29:08):
and forth and it's like it'svibe coding.
In a sense, you're viberesearching where really vibe
coding shouldn't.
I know vibe coding.
A lot of people are saying,well, just go and get it to do
the work for you.
No, to me, vibe coding is.
It is that interactive process,and the project I've been
working on the last few weeks itwas, you know, using AI back
and forth and for development.
Now, this could be go forwriting, this, go for research,

(29:29):
could go for a lot of things.
It's powerful stuff, but thehuman in the loop is what really
makes it special in the end tome.

Ulrikke (29:36):
Yeah, yeah, and I think a good point and you brought up
books, which is a good thing.
So something they also touchedon in the video is that they
said that.
So shouldn't you know books?
Who reads books these days?
You just get them summarizedand actually shouldn't they just
be summarized into an article?
And actually, if you look at it, that article could just be a

(29:56):
tweet, but then tweets don'tchange lives.
Books does, and it's somethingabout the human condition, I
think the act of sitting downand actually reading a paper
book from end to end, and howthat changes lives.
It does, but a tweet never did,and so I find that also what I
and it's like what you saidabout blog posts right.

(30:17):
You have people and I havepeople coming up to me all the
time and saying I, you know, youwrote this blog post.
I don't need to.
Well, yeah, you do, because yourperspective on things and, like
I said, your popcorn ideas oryour associations are unique,
and if everyone starts to createbooks using AI, we're going to
have very generic books.

(30:38):
If all writers use AI tosummarize and do research for
them, they're going to miss thesmall little nuggets that us as
individuals will pick up, justbecause our childhoods were
different or our friends growingup were different, or our
interests are different, but AIis going to do the same job for
everyone, when it summarizescontent, for instance, right.

(30:58):
So it is that little humantouch, that little human detail
that we're missing if we'reusing AI in all of this, which I
think I'm kind of getting to asvery important.
So that was just my thisepisode's rant quiet rant plead

(31:18):
AI plead.

Nick (31:20):
The human touch.
That might be our title.
We'll see.

Ulrikke (31:23):
Yeah, maybe, maybe, and also I love this.
Okay.
So we have a few other thingsthat I want to quickly touch on.
We're not going to go intodepth with these, but I just
wanted to mention them.
A new article on the MicrosoftCloud blog how to Leverage AI to

(31:44):
Reimagine Cross-FunctionalCollaboration with Gina Arenas.
The reason why I'm mentioningit?
Because I'm Gina's biggest fan.
She was judged at ACDC amillion years ago and we're
following her and her kind ofpath within Microsoft and this
is where she's interviewed,talking about some of the

(32:08):
hurdles and challenges that weface in adopting AI these days.
And through that article, whichis a very good article, check
it out.
I also saw something that kindof tickled my interest a little
bit, which was AI Fluency, whichis a framework and foundations

(32:28):
program, from what I can gatherfrom Anthropic, which is the MCP
server people.
It was kind of a course-ish,kind of training, upskilling
type program.
So if you're interested in that, check out AI Fluency.
And then I saw that, actually,because we all talk about agents

(32:52):
, right, and the holy grail ofagents are Jarvis.
Everyone wants Jarvis, right.
Iron man, tony Stark's AI agent, jarvis, jarvis and now what is

(33:15):
it?
Is it?
I can't remember, cisco nowcreated Jarvis and it's an agent
that is transforming platformengineering at OutShift.
So OutShift is one of the kindof what is it called in English?
I don't have the English words,but it's one of the companies
of Cisco where they do AI.

Nick (33:31):
We would call it divisions or something.

Ulrikke (33:33):
Yeah, yeah, something like that, and they are
rethinking platform engineeringwith AI at its core, and they're
calling it Jarvis.
So I just needed to shout outthose few little links, because
it's something I came across, soI just had to mention it.
Yeah, oh, you put something inhere, because now it's all mine,

(33:56):
so we need to kind of find oneof yours, I think, so that we
can kind of go back and forth alittle bit.
So do you want to talk aboutthe flows connection?
Reference replacer.
Oh, yeah, I know.

Nick (34:10):
You haven't seen this.

Ulrikke (34:11):
I haven't seen this, so tell me, because now I'm going
to get excited and I didn't lookat it deliberately, so that you
can tell me and I can getexcited.

Nick (34:19):
Okay.
So imagine this You're workingon a project project and then
all of a sudden, there's fivebazillion connection references
all pointing to the same,basically the same connection or
the same thing, and let's justsay you're in this project and
all of a sudden you start kindof yelling at people, at Teams

(34:42):
to make sure they get theirconnection references sorted out
before a deployment happens, asyou're doing the deployment all
of a sudden if it's promptingyou to make all these new
connections or like letting theteam know and shaming people and
things like that.

Ulrikke (34:55):
So well yes.

Nick (34:58):
I'm just a hypothetical scenario here.
Yeah yeah, yeah, tool by tangituzard, who we all know, the
godfather of the xram toolbox,um tangi's basically saved the
power platform world millionsupon millions of euros and
dollars and basically did it for, essentially for free, out of

(35:22):
the basically well, to be honest, to really help his own
projects out.
But he shared it with the worldand, of course, all the other
tool makers as well.
Definitely, big shout out tothem.
But he built a tool that allowsyou to take all of these random
connection references, selectthem and then consolidate them
into one that you pick maybe theone that you created and clean

(35:45):
all of this mess up.

Ulrikke (35:46):
I was crying.

Nick (35:48):
Really I was like, yes, is it for real?
I tried it out on one of myenvironments because it's still
fairly new.
But yeah, it basically kind ofconsolidates everything for you.
How?

Ulrikke (36:00):
How is that even possible?
I have to click the link nowand go in and see what this is.
Well, this is his post.

Nick (36:06):
But yeah, load it up on your XM toolbox and yeah, there
you go.
So yeah, for those of you whohave to deal with multiple
connection references and dealwith this cleanup.
This is a tool that reallyshould help you out.

Ulrikke (36:20):
Yeah, and also, yes, we are crying with you because it
is a hurdle, we know what it'slike and you have our sympathies
.
And then thank you, tangy.
And then also, I needed this ayear ago, okay, because now it's
all sorted.

Nick (36:34):
But, yeah, fantastic, yes as soon as I saw that, I just I
thought of you right away thatyou're gonna love this and I'm
like no, no, I'm just gonna putit in the one note and see if
you discover it yourself.
And I do highlight I haven'thighlighted this, you know.

Ulrikke (36:48):
Yeah, that's very good.
Oh, thank you, thank you.
Okay, that that made my day.
I'm done.
Now I do have a few other poststo share.
I wanted to highlight my goodfriend Sarah Lagerquist's post
about because after EPBC postabout after EPVC, she promised
to post about the new updatesfor Plan Plan mean Power Apps,

(37:15):
which used to be called PlanDesigner, and she did Just a few
days ago.
She posted five very good trickswhen it comes to using Plan
plan designer, and one of themis create your publisher first,
which I love, because that's allwe have to do that, and then we
kind of have to put it insolution.
Um, ditch the auto suggestedtables and re-prompt your

(37:39):
lookups.
I love that.
That means that you can now um,it loves to invent shiny new
contact and accounts tables foryou, delete them and your
existing, add your existingtables and prompt again for
lookups, which is a very good uhtip, which I haven't tried
because I've then done itmanually but I didn't know you
could re-prompt it.

(37:59):
So that was a very good tip.
And then she has a few otherones.
That is why it's worth checkingout.
And then you posted a link inhere with a follow-up post that
I haven't seen yet.

Nick (38:13):
She did another post this morning actually and I had it
here two seconds ago.
Where'd it go?
Oh, here we go.
Yeah, so she posted more ofspeeding up table creation.
Watching about languages,because she is doing things in
Swedish, which I think you knowyou can appreciate doing
Norwegian here in Canada, likethings in French.
The multilingual aspects, thedraft mode I haven't looked at

(38:38):
it.
She talked about how I gotaware of this because she tagged
both of us about icons.
So yeah, you know, and plandesign, plan designer, custom
met tables magically get cuteicons.
They don't always make sense,but still an improvement.
So, getting away from thepuzzle I know she's a not good
at that or not a big fan of thepuzzle pieces, and none of us

(38:58):
should be so, yeah, but this tome, is one of those things like
her to post.
If people looked at plandesigner like I did way back
when I did a video on PlanDesigner, when it first came out
it was missing.
It was missing a ton of stuffand now it's, but now it's
getting better, sorry, you know,the ability to link in existing

(39:21):
tables.
There's the also the processflow which is part of the
previews, and things like that.
So these are the types ofthings that I'm going to be
presenting on basically plandesigner kind of with that in a
couple sessions coming up thisfall.
So, yeah, these posts arereally helpful because, yeah,
we're all learning together andthis to me in terms of building
apps, also looking atnon-Microsoft app builders as

(39:44):
well, kind of doing comparisonswith each.
So, a great couple articles and, again, if you haven't looked
at Plan Designer lately and Ithink you've said this before go
back, get back into it, checkit out again, because it's
changed so much in the last fewmonths and just keeps getting
better.

Ulrikke (39:59):
Yeah, and there are still a few shortcomings that we
know about.
For instance, we will alwayscreate five tables.
There's a base prompt in theresomewhere, probably, where it's
just kind of have theseguardrails still, but they are
working on making them moreagile and making it possible for
them to use out-of-the-boxtables, for instance, is a big

(40:22):
one, and I'm sure it's comingjust around the corner.
And also, I saw another newsabout plans Through the Power
the cloud advocacy team, elizaBenitez and April Dunham, and
that guru has a Pulse Newsupdate for Power Apps that we've

(40:44):
talked about in a few episodes,and in this one they talk about
how you can now export plans asPDFs for stakeholders, which is
a really neat feature, rightthat is cool, yeah.
Which is a really neat feature,right that is cool, yeah.
And I remember when do youremember when they had the
ability to print Canvas apps andthat was a big news?
I think that was two years agoor something, and we were like

(41:11):
but you have to realize thatpeople do have to kind of use,
they have to print stuff stillto give.
There are so many people, somany organizations in the world
work in a very old-fashioned way, so enabling kind of then their
employees to use modern tools,but kind of then also having
that legacy capability to allowyou to print something or to

(41:35):
export it as PDF or something.
That is really neat.
So, yes, very good.

Nick (41:40):
Especially giving back to a customer or something like
that sharing.
If they don't, you don't wantto give them access to plan
designer, but you want to givethem the results out of it.

Ulrikke (41:47):
The documentation, and also I mean putting that into a
PDF format, will also allow youto kind of copy paste that into
Leaky or something in a muchsmoother way.
So I think that's probably apart of it.

Nick (41:58):
Yeah, nice, I did not know that, so that's cool.

Ulrikke (42:01):
Very cool.
And then I saw something elsethat I need your help with,
because I don't work with modeldiv enough specifically, but
I've seen two major news updatesthat people are going
completely bananas over and youneed to kind of help me figure
this out.
So Naveed Ali Sa at two of histhings that I put in here on

(42:24):
LinkedIn.
So one blog post is about agame changer for model driven
apps.
Say hello to xrmcopylex executeprompt.
So that's one thing that youcan use in JavaScript for
customizing model driven apps.
And then think of it and hesays think of it as chat DPT
inside Power Apps, but withbusiness logic baked in.

(42:44):
And here's the big news this isthe first time ever that
developers can directlyintegrate co-pilot powered AI
into web resources in JavaScript.
No plugins, no flows, nothird-party tools, just native
code in your model-driven appmagic.
I mean, this soundsrevolutionary in my book and I

(43:06):
love that it's for model-drivenapps.
So do you see like, oh yes,mind blown, this is fantastic.

Nick (43:17):
Yes, the thing is I haven't tried it yet and this is
this popped up on my radar aswell, I think roughly probably
the same time.
Um, yeah, I could definitelysee this being a thing where, um
, we can actually, you know, getthings like some um cases where
because you're about the nextarticle we're going to talk

(43:38):
about is the, the prompt columntype.
I think the prompt column typemight take care of some of these
things, but this now actuallygives you a little bit more.
If you're not necessarilyneeding it to be part of your
data, you just need to call outum, some, some ai and things
like that.
So, yeah, a use case doesn'tquite pop in my head beyond a

(43:59):
sentiment analysis or some sortof evaluation on particular data
stuff that already sort ofexists, but I think that
probably, the more I think aboutit come back to me in two weeks
and I'll probably have about adozen different use cases for
this now that I begin to thinkabout it.
But it is interesting and it isnice to see that Microsoft's
still investing in theJavaScript library or the

(44:20):
JavaScript commands aroundmodel-driven apps.
It was always.
Are they going to abandon thisin favor of Power Facts?
I mean, they never said that,so don't quote me on any of that
but I do find like JavaScriptwithin model-driven apps is one
of those very powerful things.
I use it pretty much everyproject I'm working on.

(44:41):
Even last week, I was helpingout and we were diving into the
JavaScript stuff because thatwas the only way we could solve
that problem with JavaScriptwithin the model driven apps.
So, yes, this is really cool.
This gives another option thereand, yeah, without having to
tie in or do some other backendstuff to make that happen.
Now, I'm guessing that thiswill probably consume some

(45:02):
either co-pilot or AI buildercredits of some sort.
The documentation really wasn'tclear.
Who's paying for this?

Ulrikke (45:10):
I guess you could say in terms of resources, co-pilot
credits, yeah.

Nick (45:13):
Yeah, so we'll see.
So definitely, yeah, it is coolbecause I pasted that in as
well.
So, yeah, it's in preview rightnow, so don't dump this into
production.
But I think I might try a fewthings in the next couple of
weeks to try this out and justsort of see what, and then again
we'll get those creative juicesgoing a little bit and could
definitely help out in certainuse cases, for sure.

Ulrikke (45:35):
Yeah, because also what comes with this is a new
component that you can add toyour model-driven app that kind
of summarizes right.
So it's not just that you cankind of use it now in your
existing JavaScripts or whateverit is.
But I saw so we made thisHackathon thing for a
procurement process and we havea model-driven app that kind of
assesses and goes through andchecks all the vendors and if

(45:56):
they upload the rightdocumentation and stuff, and we
use this little component in themodel ribbon app to just to
check that the vendors had donewhat they were supposed to do
and kind of give an assessment,but that is the same thing that
was in the use case.
it's kind of a sentimentanalysis kind of scenario where
you use it to summarize or giveyou a summary of the the data
that's already there, but it'svery, very curious to see what
they're going with this and whatyou can use it to summarize or

(46:16):
give you a summary of the datathat's already there, but it's
very, very curious to see whatthey're going with.
That's not what you can use itfor.
And also the prompt data typefor a database column, which is
also a preview and it's refininghow we bring AI directly into
our data model.
It allows you to kind of givethe prompt and also in the
prompt, reference other datapoints.

(46:38):
You can reference um variablesor you can reference uh, other
data verse table columns, forinstance um and other uh
resources so, um, yeah, yeah,that could be like.

Nick (46:52):
It's it kind of like calculated columns, but not in a
sense, but you're using AIinstead of the calculated column
.
So would I trust this to dolike perfect math?
Probably not.
I'd probably stick tocalculated columns, but this
could be something in terms likesentiment analysis is good when
you get a ticket in.
They could read the, or youknow how someone could just have

(47:14):
a whole bunch of stuff in theticket.
Just give me a summary,summarize this.
Help me categorize this.
Those types of thingsdefinitely could be very helpful
as opposed to having to readthrough the whole case trying to
figure it out.
Should this be escalated?
Which team should this beassigned to?
If this could actually readsome of that and do some of that
automatically or begin to tagit for analysis, that could be

(47:34):
really cool.
That I could see using, forsure.

Ulrikke (47:37):
Yeah, absolutely Right.
So moving on to PowerPagesstuff, because there is a new
thing and we both put this inthere.
I saw afterwards that I thinkthose two things are the same,
that those two links are thesame thing.
New PowerPages Action Center.

Nick (47:55):
Yeah.
So this is cool.
This brings a lot of the PowerPages admin stuff which I think
I don't want to say gets ignored, but kind of gets yeah.
Yeah, you can do admin stuff.
We're really.
This is really a good view forpeople that live and breathe in
the Power Platform Admin Center.
So before you'd have to kind ofdrill down to go in the Power
Pages specific stuff or actuallygo through the Power Pages

(48:15):
homepage, this will actuallygive you a list of all the,
basically give you a list of allthe sites in your environments
and tell you which sites don'thave things like their
certificates are expiring, whichsites are not being visited
with, you know zero visitors,which are in trial, they're
about to expire, which ones havecontent delivery network

(48:37):
enabled, which ones have the webfirewall, web, whatever it's
called.

Ulrikke (48:43):
The WAF.

Nick (48:55):
WAF yeah, web application firewall so it to act on it in a
lot more conducive manner.
So it really helps theadministrators in your world and
, of course, they're veryimportant people that sometimes
kind of get forgotten becauseit's not necessarily always
visible.
But, yeah, this is really cool.
It's really showing thePowerPages is still big
investments happening on therewith PowerPages in terms of

(49:16):
really on the governance andsecurity administration side of
it as well, because that's soimportant, regardless of how
you're deploying or buildingyour PowerPages, whether you're
building the traditional way oryou're building it using single
page applications, which is asegue into a link that you
posted.

Ulrikke (49:33):
Segue.
I like it Right.
So another big investment fromthe PowerPages team is, of
course, using AI drivendevelopment to build PowerPages
sites.
So with PowerPages single pageapplications, or SPAs, you now
have the ability to start yourPowerPages project from Visual
Studio Code, where you create anew PowerPages site and upload

(49:57):
the site to your environment andyou can vibe code or you can
AI-assisted coding use whateverit is that you want to create
that site, and also very quicklyactually.
Andrew Ellens put together ablog post series about
PowerPages single pageapplications, which I absolutely

(50:19):
love.
I haven't had the time to divein through each and every one of
them, but he covers things likehow to get started, how to do
the main setup, the structure,the fragment-based routing,
login, redirect and also how youbuild components.
So he's six blog posts in atthe moment and I just love it.

Nick (50:44):
And I think this is amazingly quick, I must say Well
, but actually look at the dates.
It was last year that he putthese together, really.

Ulrikke (50:50):
Yeah, how is that possible?

Nick (50:53):
Well, I think this is basically a way at that time to
actually do single pageapplications within PowerPages.
And then here we are, a yearlater, microsoft catching up,
making it much more easier.
The framework Now.
That being said, I didn't gotoo deep.
I read a few of his articles.
A lot of these learnings thathe's providing information

(51:16):
definitely is applicable to thisnew feature that the Microsoft
team is rolling out in terms ofsingle page applications.
So I'm not sure if Andrew isgoing to go back and revisit
some of these now with the newfeature.
I hope you do, andrew.
If you're listening, please do,because this is gold and this
is going to help us move forwardand this is something that's on
my long list of things.
Move forward, and this issomething that's on my long list

(51:40):
of things.
The next summer list is prettyhigh up is PowerPages, single
page applications, gettingplaying with that, getting my
head wrapped around that.
So I'm definitely going to beusing this as a resource,
because taking Andrew'slearnings from a year ago and
applying it to these newfeatures now, so yeah, when I
saw it too, like holy crap, thisguy's generating a ton of
content and then started reading, reading it and then reading
the dates, I'm like, oh, this isa year old, but wow, this is
still so good I'm so glad youcaught that, because I didn't

(52:02):
really register with me at all.

Ulrikke (52:04):
Um and and the reason that I came across this was
because we used this in aproject last week where I have a
team which is putting togethercreated a user interface for um
like thing again for that vendorportal using an AI tool called
Vercel, which creates a POC kindof user interface very snappy,

(52:25):
very good, and you can exportReact from that.
And so I had one of mydevelopers look into it and see
if he can grab that React codeand use single page applications
with Power Pages and kind ofcreate a project using that code
and get up and running reallyquickly.
And he could, and I was blownaway.
And he was blown away toobecause this is going to change

(52:47):
the game in terms of who can nowstart working with PowerPages,
because it has been a reallyhigh threshold for getting
started.
If you're a pro coder, reactdeveloper, you wouldn't really
want to get into it because itwas messy and it was all over
the place.
This, however, means they candevelop the site as they would
any other site and it gives themthe ability to do that code

(53:10):
first.
I know that the startingtemplate that Microsoft provides
for the single page applicationdoesn't connect to the web API
right now, so you need a proxywhen you use it, when you
develop it, so that you get alocal version of that API and
the data set in it for you to beable to develop correctly and
using the data.

(53:30):
But there are plenty of toolsaround to help you do that, and
those who are React developersknow this very well.
So, yeah, amazing, and I hopethat Andrew Allen's update his
blog post as well, just like you, so that's a lot of fun.
Let's quickly wrap up with yourlatest podcast episode with

(53:54):
Haonang.
We were on the.
I was on with his on hispodcast a few months ago, maybe
weeks ago at least, and thisweek it was your turn.

Nick (54:04):
Yeah, and Hooting is, he's amazing.
He's you know some people likehe's.
He's young and I know thatthere's certain people you know
the sort of you talk and I knowthat there are certain people
you know the sort of talk aboutoh, the kids these days and all
the millennials and like hootingis the exact opposite.
The guy is very wellaccomplished, he does a lot,

(54:26):
he's very well organized, sowell articulated.
Like I could talk to this guylike all day.
He's like he seems he has thisold wisdom stuck in a
20-year-old's body, which wasreally good.
We had an amazing conversation.
We talked for about an hour.
We talked about Power Pages, wetalked about vibe coding,

(54:46):
different things about the MVPprogram as well.
So if you haven't had a chanceand if you're not sick of
listening to me blabble on aboutthis stuff, check out that
podcast with Hooting and, ofcourse, with the podcast with
you as well that he did a fewweeks earlier.
Plus all his episodes are sogood, like just some great
conversations.
He's such a he's um, uh, just agreat guy to have a

(55:08):
conversation with.
I met him last year.
Um met or talked to him lastyear on some other stuff like we
had.
We had a chat and then I thinkhe was one of your students in
your session, in your session atColorCloud Met him in person,
briefly at MVP Summit.
It was one of those situations.
I didn't even realize he wasthere.
We walked by each other andlike, hey, what are you doing
here?
He said, yeah, like I was on myway.

(55:29):
He was on my way to something.
I said, well, that a little bit, but I'm sure I'll see him
again um, somewhere.
Um, so, yeah, check out thatthat podcast, um episode.
Yeah, really good, and hischeck all out all his episodes.

Ulrikke (55:43):
Listen like subscribe yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely,
and follow him on on linkedin aswell, because he does.
He's also one of those peoplethat keeps posting these updates
and he's also one of the peoplethat I saw this new agent
capabilities for Canvas apps no,sorry, model-driven apps on one
of his posts, where he talksabout agent APIs and agent

(56:04):
response content, where you canactually customize the content
you get out when you use surfaceco-pilot content.
So definitely follow Houdan fora lot of new news and updates.
Right, so you want to brieflytalk about what you are doing?
Uh this, uh fall, because Iactually I have a session free

(56:27):
fall and I think I'm gonna keepit that way.
I'm not presenting anything andI love it, but I'm at.
I'm gonna be at all these notall of these, but I'm to be at a
lot of these.
I'm just loving having a half ayear where I don't present or
just help out, but you are goingto present for the both of us,
I think.

Nick (56:47):
Well, hold on, you are.
We are presenting an onlineevent.
Did you not know this?

Ulrikke (56:53):
Well, yes, but it's not a conference, workshop or a
session.

Nick (56:58):
Uh in that respect well, let me talk a little bit.
So, the power platform,community high five, um, which
is put on, uh, by our friendskeith, keith atherton and sarah
jones, and, um, I think it sayshere to be to be what you're
talking about.
You're talking about PowerPages.

Ulrikke (57:19):
Oh yeah, okay, Not really Because we have a plan,
but it's so long until we getthere, so for me it's one of
those.
I'll do that when we get there,but I have talked to Sarah
about this, okay.

Nick (57:33):
There you go, so check that out, don't worry.

Ulrikke (57:36):
Oh yeah, yes, okay, okay, there you go.

Nick (57:36):
So yeah, check that out, don't worry.
Oh yeah, yes, okay, cool.
So we're, yeah, we're doingthat.
I'm talking about uh,interesting, I'm talking about
fitness for IT professionals.
So Really.
Uh, sorry Really.

Ulrikke (57:47):
Yeah, I feel like, isn't that what you did in the?
You know the I?
I got some flashes from youknow a TV back in the day.
We had Housewives and thenthere was this program that we'd
on the shoulder on the TV andjust do this and then up and
down and just move your armslike that.
That was kind of myassociations.
When you said that ITprofessional sounds like so old

(58:10):
Old IT guys can get off theirchairs and start moving around.

Nick (58:13):
Exactly, and start lifting , get moving.

Ulrikke (58:16):
It's like for those Canadians, if you remember,
participation, um be somethinglike that participation wow,
okay so you're going to teachthe it people how to move around
or to get fit no more on more.

Nick (58:30):
No, it it's more on tips on how how to get off, like
things to do, to get off yourbutt, to get fit, to give you
the tools or the processes orthe prompts basically the human
based prompts to help you put aplan together.
And because, for those of youwho do know me, I go to the gym
three to four times a week, evenwith a busy schedule, and if I

(58:51):
don't I'm a mess.
I've gotten to the habit.
So, just sharing some of thethings that I do myself and
working with my coach and thingslike that too, because I do
find that in our profession, weyou know, people aren't exactly
the most healthy all the time,and also, in terms of mental
health, we're also not the mosthealthy all the time, and for me

(59:11):
, fitness has helped both ofthose things.
So I'd like to kind of share,basically what I've learned on
that.
So that's basically what I'llbe talking about.

Ulrikke (59:19):
Yeah, so important, very important.

Nick (59:21):
All right.

Ulrikke (59:22):
For sure.

Nick (59:22):
So yeah, so I have.
So where you basically, whereyou're not speaking in person
this fall, I am in six differentthings and that's pretty much
it.
Like that's it for 2025.
For sure, uh, so be speaking atthe dynamics con regional.
The rocky mountain oh, I'm sureheard that that was a crack of

(59:44):
thunder.

Ulrikke (59:44):
Yeah, that I did collab days finland.

Nick (59:47):
On september 11th I just found out baltic summit in
poland um, talking about thepower plan designer, the
intelligent app designer um,that's pretty exciting.
I've never been to polandbefore, so looking forward to
engaging with that crew there.
Speaking of Experts Live UKI've talked about vibe coding,
which is pretty interesting.
And then, of course, nordicSummit, teaming up with Manju

(01:00:10):
Gajar.
We're talking about Power Pagesand co-pilots.
And then Power PlatformCommunity Conference, where I'll
be doing a workshop forprepping for the PL900
certification, or really justgiving the foundation for people
who are being sent to PPPC withnot knowing anything.
Let me at least give you thefundamentals, so the rest of the
week will make sense.

(01:00:30):
That's probably another way toput it, and if you want to write
the exam, that's great.
And then also again talk aboutplan designer and co-pilots and
building apps with Eliza as well.
So we're co-presenting on that.
So I'm looking forward to that.
So maybe it sounds like a lot,but that's going to be pretty
much it for my 2025 in terms ofspeaking.

Ulrikke (01:00:48):
So a lot of these are sort of repeat sessions of the
different sessions, so yeah, allright, and then next episode is

(01:01:09):
going to be July 23rd, which isabsolutely crazy, and then we
might we may or may not have atreat in between.
We'll see.
We can't say anything else.
So that's it, cool, okay.

Nick (01:01:17):
Right, okay, jesus, an hour and 13 minutes, I think
this is a new record.

Ulrikke (01:01:19):
It is.
We'll edit a bit.

Nick (01:01:20):
We'll see.
Yeah Well, it's the summertime,right?
People are at the beach andthey got their headphones in.
They're listening to the PowerPlatform Boost podcast.
You know, make sure you put onsunscreen and enjoy.

Ulrikke (01:01:32):
Yes, yes, I'm proud of you.
Thank you Very good, alrighty.
Have a fantastic summer, youguys, and catch you on the other
side.
Bye-bye, bye.

Nick (01:01:45):
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