It depends (#51)

 From MS

• Unlock new possibilities by customizing Copilot chat in your apps with Copilot Studio (Preview) by  Hemant Gaur
• Work with existing tables in data workspace by Travis Shu 

From community

• Battleship game in #PowerApps by Hardit Bhatia
• Use Power Pages instead of Model-Driven Apps for your 𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗻𝗮𝗹 projects by Sean Astrakhan 
• List More than 250 Power Automate Flows, Filter and Delete by Amey Holden
• Dataverse Activity Tables by Nari Turtledove
• Add the Insights tab to Contact and Lead forms without editing Form XML by Amey Holden
• AI poem by Rory Neary 

Tallinn recap
Cloud Technology Townhall Tallinn
"Top 10 Copilot Use-Cases from real customer projects" - Daniel Rohregger
"Master Custom Pages in Model-driven Apps" - Cathrine Bruvold
"How to work like a brainiac in M365 – a no-brainer" - Caroline Kallin
"Overcoming Information Overload Or How to Build A Second Brain" - Pauline Kolde

 

ACDC recap
Arctic Cloud Developer Challenge
Blog posts by Itera Power Potters
Final Submission from video Itera Power Potters

 

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and the why.
I suspect that if Enterprisewent to confession they admit an
unhealthy AI obsession.

Ulrikke (00:22):
We live in billions upon planet Earth.
Do we need AI?
What is it worth?
We have artists and poets andauthors galore, so why steal
their content just to producemore?

Nick (00:37):
And say we're more efficient as a human race.
What will we do with thisnewfound space?
What will we use this time todo?
To change our role?
Or sit on our phones and justscroll and scroll?

Ulrikke (00:52):
My concern with all this is my latest activity.
I think we're squanderingmankind's creativity.
The quick create pictures areeasy to manage, and deep fake
images they all do so muchdamage.

Nick (01:10):
Is this like when we discovered the wheel?
But this time we just cannottell what is real and the
chances and possibilities, oh,are so broad for carrying out
the most stupendous fraud.

Ulrikke (01:23):
Don't get me wrong Now, I love chat GPT it brights the
cold whilst I make the tea.
But this weekend, try doingsomething that's real Draw a
picture, sing a song and see youfeel.
Hello everyone, and welcome tothe Power Platform Boost podcast

(02:02):
, your timely source of PowerPlatform news and updates, with
your hosts, Nick Doelman andUlrike Akerbk.
Hello.

Nick (02:16):
This is episode 51.

Ulrikke (02:19):
Yeah, and we forgot to kind of celebrate last time that
we were at 50.
It just kind of blew past us.
That was the 50th episode, yeah.

Nick (02:29):
Cause it was all about the release plan.

Ulrikke (02:31):
It was.
And then it kind of makes mefeel good as well, because we're
not about the numbers, we justdid this for fun, and that kind
of proves it.

Nick (02:39):
If you were all about the numbers, we'd make a big deal
out of it and we're like nahit's fun, it's okay, it's just a
number, but then, yeah, like I,but still like like doing 50
episodes, that's I don't know.
I yeah, who, who to funk.

Ulrikke (02:56):
So did it touch your source button or anything?
50?
No, no, 38, 38, no no, 51, 52,38, no, okay.

Nick (03:07):
It's all numbers.

Ulrikke (03:08):
It's all numbers, all just numbers.

Nick (03:10):
Okay, but we I was going to say, but because our last
episode was the release planepisode and we couldn't really
say why, Like, anyways, it was aday late.
Well, a day late.
We released it exactly when itwas meant to be released and
that was the day of the releaseplan.

Ulrikke (03:30):
Yes, exactly, and then sorry.

Nick (03:34):
No, go ahead.

Ulrikke (03:36):
Yeah.
So the episode before that, wepromised that we would make a
little bit of a deal out of it,and we've made so many promises
lately that we're not owning upto.
But actually this time we willend the episode with a poem.
It's not one that we wrote, butwe will end this with a poem.
So there you go.
So we kind of deliver, which isdeliver a little bit later.

(03:57):
There's a lag in the Boostpodcast at the moment and then
and that kind of goes for a lotof things.
So, without you know, pokinginto that more or pointing
fingers or calling names, let'sget on with the show.

Nick (04:12):
Right Now.
The one thing that we did wedid ask, or ask the listeners,
or ask you folks that arelistening, watching, and this is
now.
We're going into February now,so we realized this is really
late.
But we asked, we talked aboutprocrastinating, um, and all the
all the speaking of stuff wedidn't do over Christmas, like
building things, like PCFcontrols or whatever and it's

(04:33):
funny, we had a text exchangeearlier well, how's your PCF
coming along?
You're like haven't started andyou were like, yeah, me neither
so just poking see if you.

Ulrikke (04:42):
Yeah, I have one up and running.
It's so cool.
I was like oh and then I wouldhave kind of to scramble to get
it, but you didn't do thateither.
So that's, that's fine by me.

Nick (04:51):
We're never gonna get around you know that right no
well, maybe I don't know,because maybe we just sort of go
on to the pcf gallery and findsomething really obscure and
download it and see what I built.

Ulrikke (05:02):
but yay, I I did it.
There you go.
Maybe We'll see.
Time will tell.

Nick (05:09):
But there was a couple of comments.
I do want to give some shoutouts.
One is Andy Wingate, which Ithink you're doing the
presentation with at ColorCloudright.

Ulrikke (05:17):
Yeah, I just talked to.
Andy actually we were planningour session at ColorCloud hey.

Nick (05:22):
Andy.
So he basically said, like hehad planned all the things.
Yeah, planned all the things,actual, only the thing that
involved eating and drinking.
I can, I can get on board withthat.
Yep, me too.
And then the other one was um wjames william yeah, do you know

(05:44):
him, anyways?
And he said I started a YouTubechannel last year with grand
plans to turn each video into ablog over the holidays so that
people could read from theminstead.
Yeah, copied a couple.
Oh yeah, I think just timedisappeared and a lovely break

(06:05):
spent relaxing with the family,though Can't complain.
So, yeah, that's all good.
So, I mean, it's all goodintentions, right?

Ulrikke (06:12):
But at least we have plans and aspirations.
I think that's the part of it.
We want to do so many ideas andthen some of them fall off, and
that's okay.
And we always always say whenwe're old, we can get, get into
it, I can sleep when I'm old, Ican create a YouTube channel and

(06:33):
be successful when I'm old,it's fine, but for now I can do
only what I can do, and that'sokay.

Nick (06:35):
But still, of course, um, of course, there was a release
plan, so we talked about one ofthose cool things, but, um, but
yeah, uh, there's other thingsthat kind of got released over
the last few weeks, or some ofthe blogs as well.
First one I have on the listhere unlock new possibilities by
customizing Copilot chat inyour apps with Copilot Studio
preview.
Now, this sounds exactly likeeverything that's been coming

(06:58):
out, but this was actually morewithin the context of
model-driven apps, more closelyknit, more than just building a
co-pilot and whatever, and youcould actually go through the
model-driven apps and begin toadd co-pilots directly in there.
So that looked pretty exciting.
And that was by Hermit Gar,who's a principal PM architect.

(07:21):
So I've seen some of his talksbefore I've chatted with him
before too.
So, yeah, some of his talksbefore I've chatted with him
before too.
So, yeah, kind of excited.
So, of course, the co-pilotstory, co-pilot studio story,
and all these things arecontinuing to evolve on a
day-to-day basis.
It seems every time I log intoco-pilot studio I get completely
a little bit flusteredsometimes, because things keep

(07:41):
moving around and I keep.
I keep buying into themarketing hype, thinking I
should be able to build thisagent that's going to go and do
my laundry, and then it doesn't,and then I get upset and then
I'm texting you going stupid.
Co-pilot Studio.
Yeah.

Ulrikke (07:57):
Yeah, I know, and yeah, to be fair, I mean, the premise
of it is absolutely fantasticand when it works, it works.
But it's more of a prototypingtool, more of an ideation type
tool at the moment for at leastplan designer and the new data
workspace at least.
And we tried to work with itover the weekend at ACDC, but it

(08:21):
wouldn't listen to us when wewanted to make the changes that
we did.
So after a few hours weabandoned it to make the data
model ourselves from scratch andwe actually that took us a
shorter amount of time.
So, yeah, it's, yeah, it's allgood and well and I'm excited to
see where it goes, but rightnow it's immature.

Nick (08:41):
Um, yeah, let's leave it at that.
I like, I like the idea of plandesigner and I did a video on
it, like about a month ago, withthe preview one like, but to be
, I think, planned is.
I love the idea of going askingquestions of what you want your
app to do, what the user roleswould be, um, that kind of thing
.
But instead of it going, hey,now that I have this information

(09:01):
, I'm going to go build an app,I would actually rather it begin
to create my Azure DevOpsrequirements and user stories,
so then from there I could startbuilding my app.

Ulrikke (09:14):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, maybe we'll get there aswell One day.
The Git integration is lightingup, so maybe people one day you
can actually do that.

Nick (09:23):
Who knows?

Ulrikke (09:24):
And also we saw how you can now work with existing
tables in the data workspacethat I just mentioned and how
you can actually use Copilot todo it and you can also go into
it through the interface to doit.
It will allow you to only tokind of filter and only use
what's already in your solution.
So that kind of seems like agood experience and I've, I have

(09:46):
longed for that and I knowyou've longed for that Just
being able to add componentsfrom another solution and kind
of see the diff and what youhave and what you don't have.
Just that in of itself is likeoh, hallelujah, because yeah, so
that's going to be an awesometool for sure.

Nick (10:04):
Yeah, it's, it's.
You know, I keep saying, I keepreferring back to like Access
97, where we can draw the tablesand connect them.
We're like, oh, we finally getthis in Dataverse.

Ulrikke (10:16):
Yeah.

Nick (10:16):
I know, yeah, and this is something.
Every so often this comes up.
Someone does a blog, but thisis uh, uh, mvp out of the us.
We know, I know I'm a hard ituh again naming bat batia and
hard it wrote battleship inpower apps.
Like you know, the use of mybattleship, that's so cool.

Ulrikke (10:39):
I saw that so cool.
I love it and this is the kindof thing that I could show,
because my daughter and I weplay battleship allhip all the
time and this is kind of a wayto get the kids interested and
it shows you the limitations.
I really love this, yeah.

Nick (10:54):
So that was on LinkedIn, right.

Ulrikke (10:56):
Another one of those LinkedIn posts that.

Nick (11:00):
Sorry, yeah, no, yeah, it was on LinkedIn.

Ulrikke (11:05):
Yeah, and you have the controls and everything and you
know lost and flip of a coin andyeah, no, I really like it and
the graphics are really cool.
So check that out for sure.
I just want to see if there's alink to I'll pull up.
Just want to see if there's alink to a pull up that says if
there's a link to a repo or somesource code or anything.
But there wasn't really one,but the idea is awesome.

Nick (11:25):
Yeah, he did mention he would post the source code
eventually.
He was just kind of showing thescreenshot.
So yeah, hardit, please do postthe source code, just to see
how you did it.

Ulrikke (11:36):
I'm always interested in that kind of stuff, so it'll
be and yeah, and there's so muchlearning in that, and I always
and we've talked about this alot as well that you know, one
of the best ways of learning,especially if you're one of
those kinetic learners who kindof like to pick things apart, is
I.
That's kind of what I'velearned the most from, I think.
Just, uh, you pull up one ofthe templates or you pull up
someone else's app and just digin and pick it apart a copy, of

(11:58):
course to see how they didthings, because then you see the
little neat little hacks and oh, that's a very cool workaround.
I didn't know you could do thatand that's very clever.
So, yeah, it's a good thing todo.
And then this is a link thatyou put in here Someone else had
a very creative outlook onsomething this week.

(12:20):
Oh, boy.

Nick (12:22):
Yeah, so this is Sean Astrakhan and Franco, and these
two guys, like I don't know.
We should let these two guys inthe same room together because
they just cause trouble.
And they'll both be in Vancouverat CPPS as well, so that's
worth the price of admissionjust there.

(12:43):
So they posted like what somepeople would almost I kind of
shook when I saw that.
I'm like what are you clowns upto?
So they basically put ahead theconcept of, instead of building
a model-driven app, instead usePowerPages for your internal
app, and they kind of lay outthe arguments for that.

(13:08):
And Sean actually had afollow-up graphic later about
what's good in model-driven apps, what's good in PowerApps.
But it was just sort of likewow, and it caused a whole
stream of comments.
Of course you have the you knowwell licensing and this and
that and the other thing.
And we kind of clarified likeno, you can use internal users
can use Power Pages and thelicensing could be cheaper.

(13:30):
But that means you might nothave certain other things.
And then there's questionsabout well, is Dataverse
included?
It is when you get PowerPageslicenses on their own.
So it was a good discussion.
We're going to have the linkthere.
The post is now going to belike a couple of weeks old, but
still, reading through thecomments it was actually very
enlightening because there'squite a few questions that came

(13:52):
up.
Well, what about this?
What about this?
And then, yeah, there are somethings that truly model-driven
apps are better for, but ifthere is a specific use case,
maybe do consider PowerPages foran internal app.

Ulrikke (14:06):
So it was pretty interesting.
Yeah, 100%, and there are somebenefits as well, of course,
because what I've heard mostwith model-driven apps because
you can't really customize them.
Sometimes they are a bit busyand you have developers creating
model-driven driven apps theywill be a bit busy.
So if you have a very uh, anemployee base that needs a very

(14:26):
bespoke or very kind ofcondensed user experience to
just do that one thing, I thinkpower pages is a very good idea.
Um so, and I just love the factthat they're just pulling this
out there and the comments, justlike you said, that's where the
value is, because if you're newto this space, that will give
you kind of a lay of the land ofwhat use cases are good for

(14:49):
Power Pages or for model drivenapps.
And that ties in with whatyou've been saying, because I
remember you back in the daywent do you need a business
application or do you need amodel or an app?
Wasn't that the thing you hadgoing?
You had a big blog post aboutit.

Nick (15:02):
Oh, no, yeah, it was more.
You don't need a If you don't.
Do you need CRM or do you justneed an app Right?

Ulrikke (15:09):
Exactly Right, yeah.
So then maybe, yeah, do yeah.
Do you need a Power app, or doyou need a Power Pages website?
It's all with a use case, right?
So yeah.

Nick (15:23):
The famous two words it depends.

Ulrikke (15:26):
Yes, it depends.
When I say that out loud Icringe, but then sometimes it
does depend.

Nick (15:34):
Oh yeah, I think that might be the title of the
episode we'll see it depends.

Ulrikke (15:40):
And then, but someone where it solves everything, uh,
that doesn't depend, she finds away to solve everything.
We're both big fans of amyholden.
Um, let's filter and deleteflows in Power Automate In true
Amy Holden style.
This is the issue, this is thething and this is the steps you

(16:03):
need to take to solve it.
Screenshots circles around whatyou need to.
You could follow it as atutorial.
It's a lab almost more thananything.
I think the question or theproblem here is that you install
customer insights and with thejourneys they create multiple
power automate flows in thebackground and to handle

(16:26):
automations you build in yourjourney, but once they're done
and the automation is complete,then they become obsolete.
So instead of having abazillion power animate flows in
your environment, she and shesays I understand, I see the
iron in this.
She created a flow to deleteall the flows.

(16:46):
But it's a very neat trick, Ifind.

Nick (16:50):
Yeah, yeah, amy is a bit of a mad scientist sometimes but
I actually love what she doesBecause she it's very practical
what she does and, like and likeyou and I, we always talk.
Our favorite people are getshit done people, and Amy is one
of them.

Ulrikke (17:06):
And also she's very good at giving so easy to follow
instructions and also givingthe code and the snippets and
the little details that you needto copy out.
And so I just and we've saidthis a lot of times, I know, but
we absolutely love her style ofblogging because it makes it so
easy to understand.
So, to the point, there's nofluff, and with Amy in general,

(17:26):
there's zero fluff, and I lovethat.
So just keep it going, amy,because you're brilliant.

Nick (17:32):
Yes, all right, and the next one is yours.

Ulrikke (17:36):
Dataverse activity tables from uh, yeah, not
eternal dove.
Uh, because activities is oneof those things where I this is
a kind of a gotcha, gotcha uh,new people in dynamics because
they think that activity tablesare like every other table.
But it is not so, um, he'stalking about the database out

(17:57):
of the box.
Uh, um, activity tables andkind of how they're different
from other tables.
Um, and also the timelinecontrol and how that works.
And the timeline controls kindof been one of those are, I
wouldn't say, arch enemies.
But I came into dynamics whenthe old one was kind of
disappearing and the new one wasnot yet fully there.

(18:21):
So I have wrestled with thatbeast for more hours than I care
to admit, just because thedocumentation and the interfaces
wasn't aligned.
So I struggled to get it towork properly.
But now, of course, that's agesand ages ago and now it
actually works, and it workswell through the new interface,

(18:44):
of course.
So, yeah, it's a very good blogpost and it's one of those
things that I like, that whenyou're new to something and you
kind of got it working.

Nick (18:55):
But this gives a little more depth into what it's all
about especially these, theseolder features, like older, like
the activity table structure indataverse affects effectively
goes back to crm version one.
Um, and the reason why activitytables are kind of like how
they are, it was really aboutthe, the original outlook

(19:16):
integration that was there.
So that's that's why they're alittle that's a good technical
term a little messed up but um,clunky, that's probably a good
way to put it.
But because there's so muchlegacy there and people using
that data plus the continuedintegration, that's why they are
the way they are.
But someone new coming todataverse?
Yeah, it does.
When you look at it, you'relike this why is it?

(19:37):
Why is it like this?

Ulrikke (19:39):
it's like well, why would you use an activity table?
Why would you just create anormal table?
Then you have well, because ofthe, because of the time and
control and other you know youhave the quick create.
You have so many small littlethings that you won't get with
the other ones and it's a wholeyeah.
So that's why I love alsopeople like natty going in and
actually giving you theinformation you need to

(20:02):
understand the differences andthen you can dive further and,
if you need to, um.
So and it kind of goes to otherpeople as well if you you work
with something long enough, youcan't see the forest world, the
trees, but there is value inblogging about things that have
been around for a long time,just like you just said.
So good job, natty, keep itgoing.

Nick (20:22):
Yeah, exactly Cool.

Ulrikke (20:24):
And the next one is for you, Customer Insights.

Nick (20:28):
Yeah, and it's been a while, four minutes of customer
tag journeys without oh yeah,amy again talking about this is
the mad scientist thing, cause Ididn't know like, so I don't do
work a lot with customerinsights and journeys, like you
know, or formerly known asmarketing.
But then she talks like whatcaught my eye was without
editing the form XML.

(20:49):
And I'm like, wait a minute,amy is the queen of no code,
anything but code.
And then she's talking aboutediting form XML and it's like I
know regular developers thatdon't want to touch the form XML
with a 10 foot pole.
And then so here she's at, kindof like potentially was messing
around, but she shows that theyou know talk about this was the
only way previously to be ableto change some of the insights

(21:15):
tab, specifically for leads andcontacts.
Apparently you had to.
I didn't know this.
You had to go in and edit theform XML to fix that.
But finally now they'veactually made it where you can
do that in the PowerApps maker,the studio designer, and change
the form around, so you don'thave to do this voodoo magic
with the form XML.

(21:36):
So again, once again, amy laysout the steps and everything
like that.
So for you folks that have beenworking with microsoft
marketing or customer insightsand journeys, or whatever it's
called, this week, if you'regoing messing around with the
form xml, don't worry, we uhamy's got you covered, uh, so so
you don't need to do thatanymore yeah, yeah, 100, and

(21:56):
it's kind of the biggest joke inthe community Anything but code
.

Ulrikke (21:59):
And then, like you said , she's a mad scientist.
There's always code in what shedoes and she finds the neatest
hack-arounds you'll ever see.

Nick (22:07):
She's going to be writing full-on C-sharp plugins someday
and like, no, it's not reallycode, because blah, blah, blah.

Ulrikke (22:15):
I think actually the approach is, because I know it
and I'm not a coder, it's notcode, but at some point you have
to go ah, now you're a coder.
I think I kind of fall into thesame trap every now and again.
It's like because I know how todo something, because I'm
fluent in HTML, css andJavaScript doesn't mean it's not
code just because I'm not acoder Okay, as a JavaScript

(22:37):
doesn't mean it's not code justbecause I'm not a coder.
But yeah, okay.
And this actually concludes thelist we have for this episode
with news and updates.
But you have put a link in hereto AI Poem by Rory Neary and I
don't know what do you think?
Can we read it?
Yes, do you want to read it.

Nick (23:00):
Yeah, let me actually get the link up properly here yeah,
I have it here hold on.

Ulrikke (23:06):
Yeah, this will just because Rory is very much an
artist he sings, he paints, hedraws.
He's so creative and we had aconversation about it over
Christmas, about AI and how it'skind of taking, it's stealing

(23:27):
art from artists and it'srepurposing it, and then we you
burn forests, right.
Maybe it was more of a rantthan a conversation, but I know
that this is something that'svery close to Hart, ferrari and
a lot of other people.
And I read the poem.
It is so spot on and it's sowell written.

(23:49):
And he says this as well heloves ChatGPT and uses Copilot
and ChatGPT all the time.
It's not that, but it is kindof a I don't know.
It's thought provoking and it'strue and I want to highlight it
because I think it's brilliant.

Nick (24:06):
Yeah.
So how do you want to do this?
Do you want me to read a verseand you'll read a verse back and
forth, or yeah, yeah, let's dothat, you start.
Okay, so the title of the poemthis is by our friend Rory Neary
is why AI?
Lately I've wondered about AIits purpose, its value, the what
and the why.

(24:27):
I suspect that if Enterprisewent to, confession.

Ulrikke (24:37):
they admit an unhealthy AI obsession.
We live in billions upon planetEarth.
Do we need AI?
What is it worth?
We have artists and poets andauthors galore, so why steal
their?

Nick (24:52):
content just to produce more and say we're more
efficient as a human race.
What will we do with thisnewfound space?

Ulrikke (25:08):
What will we use this time to do?
To change our role?
Or sit on our phones and justscroll and scroll?
My concern with all this is mylatest activity.
I think we're squanderingmankind's creativity.
The quick create pictures areeasy to manage and deep fake
images.
They all do so much damage.

Nick (25:26):
Is this like when we discovered the wheel?
But this time we just cannottell what is real and the
chances and possibilities, oh,are so broad for carrying out
the most stupendous fraud.

Ulrikke (25:40):
Don't get me wrong Now I love chat GPT.
It brights the cold whilst Imake the tea.
But this weekend try doingsomething that's real.
Draw a picture, sing a song andsee you feel yeah, I love it oh
, that's so beautiful, veryreally.
Oh, I'm just blown away sodefinitely, oh, I love it and

(26:05):
yeah, yeah, no, let's just leaveit at that.
Oh, it's really really good.
Um, thank you.
So we're usually closing with,uh, the events that we're going
to, um, but, but first of all,where are you?
And usually we start with this.
But first of all, where are you?
And usually we start with this.
It's like where are you, whatare you doing?
But actually you're not home,are you?

Nick (26:27):
No, where am I?
No, I'm actually in Tallinn.
I'm in Estonia.
This is the first time I'veever visited Estonia.
I'm here for the CloudTechnology Town Hall, talent,
which is one of the communityconferences.
It's kind of headed up by ourfriend, vivian Voss, and her and
her team have put together afantastic event.
The volunteers, the sponsors,everything.

(26:52):
The facility is amazing.
So I had a session here where Italked about, you know, again,
powerpages and the developerside.
I went through a bunch ofsessions.
Now this time I did something alittle bit different in terms
of the sessions I went to go seeis yes, you know, there was
technology sessions.
So, for example, we're doing alot in the project with custom

(27:15):
pages.
So another Norwegian, catherineBruvold.
She did a session on custompages.
So another Norwegian, catherineBruvold.
She did a session on custompages and her whole deck is
going to be like a cheat sheeton how to do custom pages.
So I'm really excited aboutthat.
That was amazing.
And then the other one that Ijust absolutely had to go to.
It's a person I had not metbefore, daniel Rohriger.

(27:38):
I know he does.
He also does a podcast inGerman.
He has a YouTube channel andhis was titled Top 10 Copilot
Use Cases from Real CustomerProjects.
So of course I had to go checkthat out and I learned a lot of
interesting things about how touse Copilot in real projects.
He has even a whole methodologyof how to kind of identify and
get creative and use AI.

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This is so ironic after we readRory's poll about AI, but that
was an amazing session.
And then the other two sessionsI went to really were off the
technology path, really more onthe brain, brain kind of mental
health kind of thing.
And I met this wonderful lady,carolyn Callen.
She's from Sweden, she's an MVP, I think, with Microsoft Teams

(28:21):
and that kind of thing, and shewas great.
We actually talked about hersession, we chatted and she kind
of got me to go to her sessionabout how to work like a
brainiac in Microsoft 365, kindof a no-brainer, and really she
talked a little bit about youknow, kind of burning out and
all of these tools and alertsand things, but really showed

(28:42):
how to use how to set up teamsand how to set up your alerts
and how to get this balance,this peace of mind, to make sure
you're not being inundated byall this technology and using
the technology to kind of helpyou settle your busy mind down.
So, carolyn, thank you so muchfor that session.
It really meant a lot to me, itreally talked to me and it was
also very nice to meet you.

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I don't know if you listen toour podcast, but we're going to
tag you, so you're going toprobably anyway.
And then the other one was fromour friend, pauline Cold, and
she, you know, we talked aboutPauline before.
She's also amazing aboutovercoming information overload
or how to build a second brain,and she talked about the para
method and that's something youcan go online and learn about,

(29:25):
the para method, and she walkedthrough her process of how she
organizes all her digitalinformation and kind of keeps
her own mind sane by doing this.
And it's a method that I kind ofdo as well, but I picked up a
lot of tips from Pauline.
So in that respect, I reallyyou know I love these technical
conferences, I love learning allthe new technical stuff, but if
you go to these things, docheck out some of these other

(29:47):
tracks in terms of, like mentalhealth or just how, you'll pick
up some very useful tips thatyou can immediately apply to
your day to day.
That just kind of go beyond thetechnology but just organizing
your own life and just gettingthat relaxing, calm kind of way
to manage your information.
So hopefully they'll run Talonconference again next year, so

(30:09):
if you do get a chance to go,it's one of these like great
community conferences, so that'swhere I'm at.

Ulrikke (30:16):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, and I just wanted to add
that you know people.
For those of you who arelistening and think that these
tech conferences is all aboutwork, work, work, and you go in
there and you just kind of learnthings to take back to your
company, it is alsotransformative very often beyond
that.
I remember you and I sitting atthe keynote for EPBC one year

(30:36):
and there was not a dry eye inthe audience.
These keynotes, these sessions,these topics, they touch our
hearts.
It is an experience and itchanges your life.
It's not just about the tech,it's about the people you meet,
the people you connect with, butalso these things, for instance
, it is real help in the realworld, in your real life.
Like these things, for instance, it is real help in the real

(30:58):
world, in your real life, and Isee more and more of this coming
up and I really appreciate itand people can share their way
of dealing with hard things.
It makes you feel like you'renot alone and there are systems

(31:33):
that you can kind some blogposts or some resources or put a
link to their LinkedIn orsomething for people that want
to see more of what they have tooffer in terms of that kind of
content is really really good.
And also, talking about KatrineBruvold, I hung out with
Katrine this weekend, so we kindof just swapped.
Katrina was at ACDC thisweekend and Ashley's with you in
Tallinn.
We had an amazing time atArctic Cloud Developer Challenge
Three-day hackathon.
That is the highlight of theyear for me.
And then every Sunday after it,I think why do I put myself

(31:55):
through this?
I know Marius Bertelsen is inthe committee with me every year
.
He says you know, we're sadists, right, we do this voluntarily.
We sit here and we bash ourhead against the wall for three
days straight and we don't sleep.
And we were on Red Bull High.
But what I got to do?
Because this time I asked myteam from Itero you know, what
do we want to do?
We can learn as much aspossible, we can win, or we can

(32:20):
network and party.
What do you want to do?
And they're like, yeah, we'reall about learning.
So we set out to say, okay,we're not going to win and we
want to learn max we can.
So none of us are going totouch technology that we work
with every day.
So I didn't touch the power pgsite for the whole thing.
I did no branding work, nothing, nada.
I play with Copilot Studioagents and, man, I love it.

(32:42):
I'm just so excited I'm aboutto burst.
I just can't wait to like getmy hands on this in the real
world project.
It's just, it's so amazing.
You know what we did I justneed to share.
I'll share a video, a veryquirky video that's probably
going to be taken offline anyday now.
So when you get the link, justmake sure you see it, and when
you see it or listen to it,you're going to understand why

(33:05):
it's going to be taken off theInternet.
But, that being said, what wemade was a Power App that had
the object detection model on it, and so we used our camera on
the phone with the app to detect.
This is a Harry Potter theme,right?
So this is a mandrake.
These are some magic beans anddifferent ingredients that we
were running around the hotel tofind, and Philip scraped kind

(33:31):
of a dirty hack.
He scraped off the Internet anopen service somewhere, a 3D
model of the hotel that we wereat so we could kind of look and
see where the different itemswere, and then we went in and we
scanned them, and then AIbuilder will automatically
detect what kind of object itwas and you would recognize oh,
this is a mandrake.
And then put that into myinventory, my Hermione's beaded

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bag inventory.
And then I had an agent where Icould say, okay, this is the
ingredients that I found, showme what potions I can make.
And they would tell me, oh, butthis potion you could do.
You know this potion or thatpotion.
And of course, we made a videowhere we kind of did it live and
it was so much fun, got to do abit of acting and it was so
much fun, um, but it kind ofgoes to show you how.

(34:17):
And then we bring that back tothe business case, for that, of
course, is you look atvolunteering, for instance.
You come in as a volunteer, youhave these certificates, you
have this experience, otheractivities, you have these
interests and you have AI.
Match you with an activitythat's fit for you or maybe your

(34:38):
timetable or your preferences,right, um?
You look at the 3d model.
You can put that into canvasapps, because a search and
rescue, for instance, forbuildings, yeah, you can look at
a 2d map of a building to seewhere people have searched
already.
So kind of um to track thepeople that are searching for
someone in a building, but thatdoesn't really help you.

(34:59):
Buildings have different levels.
You want to see that in a 3Dway.
So that was awesome to kind ofsee that you can do that in a
camera set but kind of scroll itaround to see objects in a 3D
model.
It blew me away.
I'm just gobsmacked by whatPhilip can do in three days.
It's just amazing.
So, as you can see, I love ACDC.

(35:20):
It is so much fun.
We had a team, an MVP team, comeup and joined us this time.
They had so much fun.
We had great judges.
It was sold out.
15 teams were there.
We were 80 people total.
We were sold out to its maxcapacity.
So next year, if you'relistening to this and you know
that you're going to participatenext year, keep an eye on our

(35:41):
website, because you're going tohave a kind of an interest,
kind of submission thing goingso that you can kind of save
your spot for next year's event,because it's going to be just
as amazing.
Yes, now I'm out of breath.

Nick (35:54):
And I was FOMOing all weekend.
See, like all this, I wish Iwas there, but anyways I was
FOMOing all weekend.

Ulrikke (35:57):
See like all this.

Nick (35:58):
I wish I was there, but anyways, I'm going to try to go
again next year.
Put a team of grumpy old mentogether, yeah.

Ulrikke (36:07):
Oh, that's going to be so much fun, right, okay, so do
you want to quickly mention,because you have a baby coming
up the CTPS baby?

Nick (36:19):
Oh, yes, the ctps baby.
Oh, it's yes, the canadianpower platform summit.
Uh, march 21st, 22nd we haveworkshops on the 21st um, and
they are.
The numbers are creeping up.
So they, if you want to get inon those workshops um, get on it
um.
And we have, if you do pp boost15, that's power platform boost

(36:42):
50.
So pp boost 15, 15 off generalmission and you get 15 off the
workshops as well.
So, uh, use that discount umand make, take advantage of that
and then so yeah, that's comingup this counts I love it.

Ulrikke (36:57):
It feels like a weird podcast when we do that Beep,
beep, boost 15, because all thepodcasts have that Go to do, do,
do, shnash, beep, beep, beep,beep, beep to get your discount.
It feels like a real podcast.
So much fun.
And then, yeah, of course,april Color Cloud is coming up
and I have a workshop PowerPages from creation to go live,

(37:18):
and I'm doing a session withAndy Wingate with PowerPages and
Business Central, and I'mdiving into Business Central and
I'm in love with it.
It's so cool and you get allthe data and you see all the
things and they have co-pilotsand it's just blew me away.
You can customize everythingand I'm sold, I'm sold, I'm
going off to BC now.
It's up.

Nick (37:38):
Oh wow, well, I'm sold, I'm sold, I'm going off to BC
now oh wow, well, that's bignews, cool, and then it's all
good.
It's funny because I did avideo on integrating Business
Central with PowerPages, basedon the presentation I did a few
months back.

Ulrikke (37:57):
So it is pretty neat.
I might or might not havelooked at that over the weekend
when I at acdc tried to connectbusiness central to power pages.
I might have watched it, maybe,okay, maybe all right, cool, um
.

Nick (38:09):
And then coming in middle of may, um, uh, dynamics con and
I'm doing, uh, somehow mysession on crash course and
Power Platform Pipelines gotselected.
So all the reason why I've beenpulling my hair out and turned
gray and both you and I havebeen kind of fighting a little
bit with Power PlatformPipelines, so, yeah, putting a

(38:32):
whole session to share with youfolks all the fun stuff.
So hopefully we'll see you inChicago for that Dynamics con,
plus a whole bunch of othergreat sessions as well.
I think I am.
Actually.
I have another uh part, asession that I'm partnering with
somebody, but I'm not sure theyactually have fully, uh,
accepted that yet, so we'll sortof stay tuned for that.

(38:53):
Um, yeah.
And then, oh yeah, minds iscoming a couple of weeks later
and that's in Slovenia and I'mdoing a session we talked a
little bit about this on likeburnout and powerlifting and
mental health.
The other cool thing talk aboutteam ups.
Get this team up.
I'm teaming up with MattSnecker and George Dubinsky and

(39:16):
the three of us are going tobasically talk about PowerPages
versus the world and I know,like George has his WordPress
plugin, matt has his way that heused to build the ColorCloud
website and the Talon website,and we're going to be basically
facing off in a three-way deathmatch to see which technology is

(39:38):
the best or the winner.

Ulrikke (39:40):
So yeah, oh, wow, stay tuned for that.
I hope that's recorded.
Wow, wow, wow, oh, that shouldbe just broadcast into the whole
world.
Oh, fantastic, right, okay.
So we have an interestingseason in front of us, for sure,
and so many cool things to lookout for.
So this episode will bereleased on the 5th.

Nick (40:04):
Now my calendar is yeah, and the next, so the next
episode.
So this is the 5th.
So this is today.
You're listening to this.
The next one will be onFebruary 19th.

Ulrikke (40:17):
So yeah, All right, right, right.
So good to see you and have alovely rest of your week and,
yeah, I'll catch you later.

Nick (40:27):
Yep Sounds good.
See you later.
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