November 5, 2025 • 34 mins
Power Platform Conference
- Power Platform Community Conference
- Meet App Builder By Ryan Cunningham
News
- How to unfuck your LinkedIn feed and How to fix your LinkedIn feed part 2 by Luise Freese
- Power Platform CLI MCP by Daniel Laskewitz
- How Do You AI? at Microsoft Worklab
- Entra External ID for Power Pages by Tino Rabe
- Power Pages server logic overview (preview)
- Strengthen Your Power Pages Security with CodeQL code scan
- Clippy is BACK!
- Retrieves data from Dataverse using FetchXml as a knowledge source in Copilot Studio by Andreas Adner
- Evaluate your agent's performance (preview) (Test Labs as presented by Lydia Williams)
- Jukka's Corner
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Ulrikke (00:00):
And the first thing he did, it was he created Tetris.
Yes.
So I mean, and that's just in ain a one-word document prompt,
and he just puts that in there,and then that's able to create
uh kind of yeah, uh that gamefor him in in seconds.
Yep.
Which kind of shows you thepower of the tools that we have
at our disposal.
Nick (00:18):
Yep.
So so funny, funny note aboutthat.
I ran into Ryan later, waschatting a little bit with him
about that.
So he said he uh he at the endthey fired off cannons with
little with confetti.
He said they only told him 10minutes before he was going on
that they had the confetticannons there.
Fantastic.
So he said he had to he said heuh of uh he said he he vibe
keynoted that end.
Ulrikke (00:39):
That's fantastic.
Yeah, it was reallyinteresting.
Because he left us with becreative, build, and then let's
go.
Nick (00:44):
And then that was really cool.
Well, the confetti went off.
So yeah, that was a lot of fun.
It was a great way to uh kindof kick off the last thing.
Ulrikke (00:51):
Absolutely.
Okay.
(01:27):
Hey everyone.
Nick (01:28):
Hey everybody.
Ulrikke (01:29):
We uh We're live here from PPCC, uh Power Platform
Community Conference here in LasVegas.
Yes.
Yes, we are.
Nick (01:39):
Uh and you may you may hear a little bit of uh
background noise.
They're tearing down thecommunity area, but hopefully
this will we'll be we may haveto AI the sound a little bit.
Ulrikke (01:50):
Yeah, maybe, maybe.
Let's let's see what AI can do.
Yes, right.
Okay, so we are this isThursday.
It's closing day.
Last day of the thing, it'sactually workshops are happening
tomorrow.
I know a few of our communityfriends have a workshop thing
happening, but for the rest ofus, we are now officially
finished with the conference.
So what's been the highlightfor you?
Nick (02:10):
Okay, so the three days were amazing.
Uh did a workshop on Mondaywith uh amazing Eliza Benitez.
We just said goodbye to Eliza,she's flying home, so it was
good to see her.
But Eliza.
Um and uh so that was good.
And we also did a session onPlan Designer on Tuesday
afternoon, which was a lot offun.
Um, yesterday, me and a fewothers played hooky.
We went to the Grand Canyon,which I think is something we
(02:32):
should do at conferences now.
Like you have an intense coupledays and then have a day off in
between where you just canrelax and chill or maybe go to
the pool or go see something,and then back at it today.
Ulrikke (02:43):
Yeah, maybe that's what we should have.
A gap day.
Nick (02:47):
Well, that would be fantastic.
Yeah, like a part one and apart two.
Um, but uh I think one of thehighlights for me was this
morning's keynote.
Yeah.
I want to talk a little bitabout it.
Was Michael Phelps, who ofcourse is a five-time Olympic
gold medalist.
And just about his journeyabout becoming Olympus, the
training, he did the intensity,and of course, he also covered
things with mental health at theend, which are are things that
(03:07):
I'm very I'm very um these arethings that are very important
to me.
Yes.
Um, and what his his speech waslike, yes, he's a professional
athlete.
He's been paid, um, he's beenin the Olympics for years he
trained every day.
But some of the thingsresonated with me as I I call
myself a hobbyist athlete.
So I understand the training,the mentality, but he was
(03:28):
talking about the things hedoes, like visualization.
I do that.
Yeah.
I've told you this, and yet,you know.
But as a way for me to get tosleep, I will visualize the
lifts I'm gonna do powerliftingand things like that.
Um, he talked about that.
It's sort of okay, thatresonated with me.
And also about preparing forthings that could go wrong,
about how his coach broke hisswim goggles.
Um, and so he had to swim oneday without the goggles.
(03:52):
And then without the uh andthen that helped him in a later
event because all of a suddenhis goggles filled with water,
he still won the gold medal.
Wow.
But he said, but because of thethe timing and the training of
these of these things, and itsort of goes for like to me, it
kind of reflects on life.
Life's not perfect, and we haveto sometimes adapt.
Like, you know, we do demos andthings, right?
(04:13):
You know how it is inpresentations, the demos don't
go well, and then we have tokind of improvise, and because
of you know what we do when wepractice, it becomes better.
And then the other thing too,which really kind of hit me hit
home with me about um how hesaid out of the five Olympics
that he did, only one of them hefelt he was really at a hundred
percent.
And other times he was at maybeat sixty percent or
seventy-five percent.
(04:34):
And this is something Iconstantly feel going to these
powerlifting meets.
I'm like, okay, I feel I wasn'tat a hundred percent today for
various reasons the timing, thefood, all the other factors
involved, but it's just sort ofpreparing for that.
So, anyways, all in all, anamazing keynote.
Um, it was he was interviewedby Sange Singh, um, who's uh you
know senior VP in Microsoft.
(04:54):
And and incidentally, I didactually bump into Sanga a
little bit after.
So I had a nice little chatwith her.
And but overall, it was I thinkto me that was a highlight of
this event.
And of course, all the othergreat content and all the other
things, the announcements andeverything else was great, but
that was sort of the highlight.
Yeah, and then maybe ChristinaAguilera was a lot of fun too.
Ulrikke (05:10):
Oh, yeah, you like that?
Oh, that was a lot of fun.
Oh, that was a really highlightfor me.
And it's this is one of thosethings, you know, just knowing
people here and being able to,so we went up very close to the
stage.
So I got I was so close.
I was so close to ChristinaAguilera, that was so much fun.
No, and speaking of thekeynote, uh, so after Sonia had
had that session with MichaelPhelps, uh Brian Cunningham
(05:33):
stayed to Sage uh to kind oframp us up for the last day of
the conference talking aboutcreativity.
And he took us kind of back intime to when uh you know the
fidget spinner thing was athing, and he said probably less
people in the whole worldmaking power apps than we are
here today.
So this conference had about7,000 uh attendees, right?
Roughly, right?
(05:54):
Um so that tells you something,right?
So and he said there is this18-year-old kid who made a
fidget spinner in Power Apps andusing a feature that they
really hadn't intended to keepthere.
It was something that came inwith PowerFX that came from
Excel.
They were like, no one's gonnaeven use this.
This that this has nothing todo with business applications,
(06:16):
but they just left it in there.
That little thing enabled himto do that, and that just took
off.
And then it kind of brought itback into this today, and
announcements around App Builderand Microsoft 365.
And the first thing he did itwas he created Tetris.
Tetris.
Yes.
So I mean, and that's just in ain a one-word document prompt,
and he just puts that in there,and then that's able to create
(06:38):
uh kind of yeah, uh that gamefor him and in seconds.
Yep.
Which kind of shows you thepower of the tools that we have
at our disposal.
Nick (06:46):
Yep.
So so funny, funny note aboutthat.
I ran into Ryan later, waschatting a little bit with him
about that.
So he said he uh he at the endthey fired off cannons with
little with confetti.
He said they only told him 10minutes before he was going on
that they had the confetticannons there.
So he said he had to he said heuh of uh he said he he vibe
keynoted.
Ulrikke (07:07):
That's fantastic.
Yeah, it was reallyinteresting.
Because he left us with becreative, build, and then let's
go.
Nick (07:12):
And then that was really interesting.
Well, the confetti went off.
So yeah, that was a lot of fun.
It was a great way to uh tokind of kick off the last thing.
Ulrikke (07:20):
Absolutely.
So um any sessions worthmentioning?
Anything you wanted tohighlight in terms of content
from from this week?
Nick (07:27):
Oh, I think like a couple of the big announcements, of
course, uh with plans and plandesigner, because we talked
about it.
Um, the fact that there's gonnabe a code agent in Plan
Designer, I think is huge.
Um the fact that now PlanDesigner, of course, creates
Canvas apps, creates uh flows,and all the other things, it's
also going to create code for usand code apps.
So interesting to see that.
I think we're gonna see more atIgnite in a couple weeks.
(07:48):
So there is an announcement ona blog that we're gonna have in
the show notes.
So definitely check that out.
Um as you know, one of the thelike these are that's probably
one of the bigger announcements.
There's definitely a fewothers.
Um, of course, logo, logochanges.
Ulrikke (08:02):
Oh, yeah.
Icons, icons, no logo, yeah,icon changes.
Nick (08:06):
And um uh a few other announcements around like uh
agent apps, and I know that's onkind of our list, and I'm
always like to me, I always havemixed feelings about like an
announcement like that becauseit's again, it's a case of
anybody can build an app oranybody can build an agent.
I'm like, okay, we've heardthis before.
We've heard this in the 90swith Visual Basics, we've heard
this.
And Power Apps came out saying,oh, if you could do a
(08:29):
PowerPoint, you can build anapp.
And then not to say that peoplehave gone on and built apps
with those skills, but stillthere's a certain amount of
skills and aptitude that youneed to effectively build these
apps.
So now we have these agent appsthat you can build part of M365
Copilot that really are onlyback their data source and makes
me.
Is it a data sort?
(08:50):
They called it, they called itthat.
And I'm like, oh it's uh it's aSharePoint list on the back
end.
And so to me, it's kind oflike, well, this is almost it's
not even a power app, it'ssomething else again.
And I think it kind of conf Ithink it kind of confuses the
market a little bit.
I get what they're trying todo, and I get the technology,
and I also recognize thatthey're competitors out there
(09:11):
that Microsoft needs to address.
Yeah.
Ulrikke (09:13):
That's probably the big thing on this one.
Nick (09:15):
Anyways, I don't know.
I'm still a p fan of like, youknow, build like where power
apps is going in a sense.
I'm not sure how agent thesorry, the this new MIME 365 app
builder really I realize whereit plays in the story, but I
think it's gonna confuse peopleand they're gonna be focused on
that when really they should bestarting with Power Apps.
Yeah.
And again, it's gonna beanother case of, well, we're
gonna do it this way becausewe're gonna save money on it.
(09:36):
Okay, here we go.
So anyways, rant over.
Absolutely.
Ulrikke (09:40):
Yeah, oh of course we do.
Yeah, a very good time, bellywell timed.
Right, okay.
So um, because there are now umkind of we feel about pressure,
we're gonna go through the listbecause there was a lot of
other uh news and updates thisweek's as well.
Nick (09:53):
Not just beyond yeah beyond here.
Ulrikke (09:56):
So um that was very uh cool.
So let's dive into the news andupdates.
Yes.
So and actually this timearound, we have a bit of a
follow-up thing because a lot ofthe things that we're gonna
share is actually following upfrom uh last episode.
So first we start off withLouise Fries.
This is first, this is new.
Um, and she talks about how tofix your LinkedIn feed.
And this is a two-step process.
(10:17):
These are two different um,there's a one and and a second
version of this where she hasthese document thingies on
LinkedIn sharing how to fix yourLinkedIn feed.
And it's all about teaching thealgorithm who you are.
So, and and as most of us know,uh a like or a share, that's
not gonna do much.
But a comment, that's gonna doso much more.
(10:40):
And scroll past content youdon't want to see, and don't
engage in content that you don'twant to see more of.
Because what that will do is tojust show the algorithm, oh,
this key this gets youinterested, and they don't see
the difference between the badand the good.
So um a lot of good tips andtricks from Luis, uh, which I'm
adopting slowly myself, becauseI think that's um and that goes
(11:01):
for other kind of uh behavior aswell online.
Um to because these algorithmsthey do learn who we are.
So it's also my responsibilityto teach them who we are and
what we want to see.
And then you saw something newfrom uh Daniel?
Nick (11:15):
Yeah, so this came out today, actually, or he posted it
today.
Um it's about using um uh MCPserver.
So we do we so we are obviouslyworking a little bit
differently today.
It is a Power Platform CLI MCPserver, and he created some
labs, um created a lab on this.
So show you how to use it toask questions of using natural
(11:36):
language.
Instead of having to rememberall the CLI commands, and this
is something for me, I'mconstantly asking the help on
the CLI.
And I have posted at home on mymy on my corkboard a list of
all the CLI.
Ulrikke (11:47):
I have a one note that I just copied from, and I have
the the copy of the clipboardthingy that I use, and oh yeah,
we have so many mechanisms forthis.
Nick (11:54):
So I haven't had a chance to dive into this, but this is
something I'm gonna do.
He did mention to me, becausehe actually this is the end
note, right?
Because he he he he knows howto work the system a little bit.
So I saw this.
I'd already added it to ournotes, and then he actually sent
me a message going, Hey, lookwhat I did today.
Yeah, I just thought but he didsay something about there's a
report.
He said the links are broken inthere for some reason.
He said, you know, I said, Oh,we're gonna mention the podcast.
(12:15):
So he said, make sure you letpeople know that the links are
broken, I think, in the reportsection or whatever.
So it's hopefully you'll getfixed by the time you look at
this.
But I just wanted to bring thatup.
Ulrikke (12:23):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Thank you, Daniel.
It's very good.
Nick (12:26):
Oh, yeah.
Ulrikke (12:27):
Yes, this, because I and I wanted to showcase a new
area that I found uh onMicrosoft.
It's not docs, it's calledcalled Work Lab.
I was doing some research intouh custom um uh custom UI for
chats and AI chats, and I cameacross this site on
Microsoft.com that has so manygood articles and resources
(12:50):
about AI.
For instance, an interactivequiz, which um questions gives
you uh an AI, how do you AI kindof DNA um profile, uh, and so
many good interactive uharticles.
So I just wanted to showcasethis whole space.
Uh, and if this is somethingthat you're kind of toying with,
it has a very different lookand feel to any other things,
(13:12):
Microsoft.
This is more modern, more edgy.
I'm more like kind of um honestkind of block colors.
Nick (13:21):
Yeah, yeah.
Ulrikke (13:21):
Actually, very much like what Ana does.
Yeah, is it Ana right thisstage?
Do you have something to dowith this?
No, no.
Uh no, but it's a very goodresource.
And it actually, it's been awhile since I've come across a
resource that kind of pulls mein like this.
Because this actually, it wasso good, articles very short and
sweet, and easy to go to thenext thing.
(13:41):
And it was so actual andfactual and very well
researched, and of course, lotsof other things.
So, yeah, absolutely go checkthat out.
Nick (13:50):
All right, for sure.
Yeah.
Um, so we're gonna dive into alittle bit of PowerPages stuff
as well.
Quite a few PowerPagesannouncements, but also stuff
from the community.
Tino Rabbi, uh, he postedsomething that says, I think is
gonna be a great resource.
Oh, yeah.
Because this is something bothyou and I have fought with a
little bit.
Ulrikke (14:08):
Spent so many hours.
I mean, come on.
Nick (14:10):
Yes, I I've heard uh yeah, you rant about some of this as
well.
Ulrikke (14:13):
Yeah, we can just replay those, don't have to take
those again.
Nick (14:15):
Yeah, but basically he built a guide for configuring um
uh authentication.
He it's a uh complete zero to100% Kickstarter guide to power
pages for authentication um forsetting up external intra ID.
I recognize it's not well, youcan if you follow the basics,
you can get it going, but allthe little intricacies in the
claims mapping, um, the thedifferent setups, the work, the
(14:39):
flows, the MFA configuration.
So Tino's put a guide togetherto help us out.
So I know this is going to beheavily bookmarked for me as
we're going forward.
I have a couple projects thatare very uh intense with uh the
uh authentication.
So yeah, thanks, Tino, foranother awesome resource.
Ulrikke (14:58):
And it also calls out something that I think is not
often spoken about, and that isthat there's often a gap, right?
So we're PowerPages people, weknow that product, but we are
connecting to something inAzure.
None of us are Azure people,really.
But suddenly it's required ofus to have the skill set to
navigate, just navigate Azure,just to know what an app
resource is, to understandclient ID, fight secret,
(15:20):
antenna, and all the things youneed to know about and to
actually dare go in.
I remember the first time thatI kind of, you know, tipped my
toe into Azure, I felt suchco-coder and scared to ruin and
break the internet.
But but it but he points outthat there's so many things we
do that when you connect toother applications or we connect
to other systems, that there'suh there's a gap.
(15:42):
And so if you can be theconsultant that has the
knowledge and the skill set tobridge those gaps, and I think
that's one of the things I pridemyself on in my career as well,
that I haven't I've talkedabout this before, the fringed
uh competency thing.
And this is speaking directlyto that.
So you come in and you're apower pre-dis consultant who
knows how to do this.
This is a brilliant example ofknowing something outside your
(16:04):
scope that will enhance you as aas an employee and as a
consultant.
Same goes for Power BI reports.
I've so many times I've had toset up Power BI reports and to
set up that connection and getthat up and going.
And it is very valuable for thecustomers and not have to
always bring in a Power BIconsultant at that point, for
instance.
Maybe they come on soon later.
So that this is I I really likethe fact that he's pointing
(16:27):
pointing at that directly.
Awesome.
Nick (16:28):
Yes.
Moving along, um, other bigPowerPages announcement this
week that um kind of took us alluh by surprise a little bit.
And I actually uh what I sawthe team because usually as
MVPs, we do get a little bit ofan insider-ahead preview of some
of these new features comingthrough.
What we're talking about is theserver logic um from in
(16:49):
PowerPages.
And what it is is uh theability to run JavaScript
securely on the server andhaving it the ability to
interact with Dataverse.
And uh it was actually ourfriend Victor Dantis.
He actually messaged me.
Ulrikke (17:02):
Yeah, I hit it on LinkedIn.
Nick (17:03):
He's like, he said, uh guy, has you guys anybody seen
this?
Anyone know what this is about?
And we're like, no, this comesout of the blue.
And uh it's interesting enough.
So it's it's looks like areally cool thing.
I haven't had a chance to tryit out yet.
I really think it's meant toenable more the single-page
applications or the coded powerpages.
I think they're trill trying tokind of nail down an official
name for that.
(17:24):
Um, I saw the engineering team,I saw Dipdy, and I kind of
said, like, oh, like anyfeedback, whatever, like, yeah,
why are you holding back secretsfrom us?
Because it's like, you know,and she laughed.
Um yeah, apparently I just shesaid, you know, I guess they
wanted a bit of a she the wayshe framed it, they still wanted
to surprise us with stuff.
But I also know that I thinkthere was um things might have
(17:44):
got released a little bitearlier than they had thought as
well.
Ulrikke (17:48):
Well, now you're giving away state tickets come like
that.
Nick (17:50):
Yeah, yeah.
Anyways, yeah.
It was all planned this way.
Ulrikke (17:52):
Yes, this is what it was intended to be.
Absolutely.
Okay, so but so I'm not tootechy, and the server, the
client side.
Okay, so this for me, thisit'll tell me if I got this
right.
Uh, if I want to do this today,I'll have to rely on the
plugin.
If I want to make somethinghappen uh asynchronously and
bring the feedback back to thepage, because I can fire off a
flow and I could do log on theback end, but I can't in
(18:15):
PowerPages get that feedbackright away or wait for that
thing to finish before we moveon to the next step.
Is this gonna solve thatspecific thing?
Nick (18:24):
Actually, with Power Automate, it does.
It is synchronous from PowerPages.
Not too many people know that,but there is a bit of a delay,
there's a bit of a setup.
It also uses power uh powerautomate licensing.
This is something where we havethat server logic.
We can also apply web roles andpermissions around that.
And instead of writing thistime, if I'm writing an Azure
(18:44):
function, for example, andtrying to wrap an API and
security and pass tokens and allthat kind of thing, don't need
to worry about that anymore.
All taken care of.
Nice.
I can call it, I can even runum uh we can even uh have it
trigger custom actions withinDataverse.
Ulrikke (19:00):
Right.
Fantastic.
Without having to rely on PowerAutomate.
Because in most use cases, whenit's a UI sensitive thing, that
it takes too long.
Nick (19:08):
Yes.
Ulrikke (19:08):
Right?
And you have to warm it up andit's a bit of a lag, and it
creates a not a desired userexperience.
So that's what I was lookingfor.
If this is a way for me to fireoff some logic and actually be
able to just wait for it tofinish and then move on to the
next thing.
And that's it.
Nick (19:22):
And this is gonna clean up a lot of that legacy code
that's using Azure.
Uh remember like uh Azurecompanion apps, their buddy
apps, like Colin used to callthem.
Oh that's gonna eliminate thisand make that a lot super.
Fantastic.
Ulrikke (19:34):
Also, this is a very welcome change.
Nick (19:36):
All right.
Uh again, moving along.
Um, also the power pages.
I know we're gonna focus a bitheavy on that, but the ability
to strengthen your security witha code QL code scan.
Yeah.
Now, again, I haven't dived toodeep into this at all, but
this, of course, security aroundPowerPages because PowerPages
is exposed to the externalworld.
Yeah.
So this is something that'sgonna help strengthen that,
(19:58):
identify these things, allow youto fix them and make your site
even more closed.
And then uh even some of thesessions I saw this week from
the team, they're talking aboutalready about what they're doing
with the web uh web firewallsand the security they have built
into PowerPages.
There's already there was a lotof malicious um attacks, not
necessarily attackingPowerPages, but uh in general
that Microsoft shuts down basedon their infrastructure.
(20:20):
So again, if you're thinking ofbuilding your own website and
hosting it on your own, youknow, either in Azure or
whatever, remember if you buildit within the context of
PowerPages, you get that wholeother security uh ecosystem
behind it.
Ulrikke (20:32):
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, no, I talked to NikitaPolekov on the PowerCat team,
no, sorry, cat team uh yesterdayabout this as well.
And who said this is when youdownload your site to Visual
Studio Code, and then you havethis um code QL way of scanning
that JavaScript from that as aas a tool, which uh will go span
through all the scripts on thewhole site to make sure that
(20:55):
it's all secure, that youhaven't exposed anything you
shouldn't, and it's actuallyjust it's it's a buddy, right?
It's a security buddy on theway when when you're developing
because Power recognizedMicrosoft can only do so much.
And it this goes for um youknow um accessibility as well,
right?
You the product can only be asgood as what they deliver, and
from the second you open thebox, it's on you to make sure
(21:16):
that it's secure and it's uhyeah, it meets all the
requirements.
So this is something to helpyou along those uh lines.
So, team, accessibility checkeris next, right?
Nick (21:26):
Yes, thank you very much.
I asked Dipty for the uh theskip first round experience.
Oh, did you?
She just said she laughed andshe goes, I know, I know.
Ulrikke (21:34):
Oh, okay.
So they are aware.
So yeah, she was really aware.
She was like, as soon as I saidit.
Nick (21:41):
All right, so guess who's back?
Back again.
Ulrikke (21:43):
Yeah.
Clipp is back.
Yeah, no, this is uh uh just apost I saw from um from Satina
Dela.
I don't really know what thisvideo has to do with anything,
but uh the the general gist ofthe thing is you remember I
talked about the the Microsoftchat, not Microsoft 365 chat,
not copilot chat, Microsoft chatfor your personal user that you
(22:09):
have on your laptop, uh, whichhas the vision, you can share
your screen with it, and it hasthe little smiley blob thing in
the middle.
Yeah, now you can get thelittle blobby thing to become
clippy with the skin.
So that's just this news andit's just you know, those little
fun little silly things.
Yeah.
But who doesn't want clippy,right?
So yeah, so fun.
Nick (22:28):
All right.
Um this was oh yeah.
Remember like last week,feature requests.
Yes.
Matthew Devaney was saying,wouldn't it be great if we could
do Fetch XML as a knowledgesource in Copilot Studio?
Well, we saw this week AndreasAdner, who I think we might we
might have covered his stuffbefore.
Yeah, I know it looks familiar.
Sounds familiar.
(22:49):
And Andreas, thanks for thecontent.
Um, inspired by that post fromMatthew, went ahead and built a
system to use uh fetch XML andmake it a um something that
would get triggered on aknowledge requested uh trigger
in Copilot Studio.
Yep.
Ulrikke (23:05):
So found a way to solve it.
It's a bit of a workaround hackuh at this point, but it's nice
and it's very cool.
And we love it when you guysjust run with these things.
It's so much fun.
Yeah.
And also by doing this, youalso learn a little bit about
the ecosystem and how you cankind of configure it to get to
do what you want.
Because at the end of the day,what we do when we configure
stuff is that we learn a fewtricks along the way to how to
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work around and to get it to doour bidding, even though that's
not what it's completelydesigned to do.
No, we we get it to work theway we want it.
Nick (23:32):
So that's a great thing about hacking some of these
things.
That's how you learn too,right?
Ulrikke (23:35):
Yes, absolutely.
Nick (23:36):
Yeah, awesome, awesome job.
Ulrikke (23:38):
Whoops.
Oh, did I close the link?
Yep.
So do you want to go back tothe OneNote and open it again?
Nick (23:43):
Do do do.
Ulrikke (23:44):
So now you're seeing Agent by Brian.
Nick (23:47):
Oh, oh yeah.
So we talked about that AgentBuilder.
Right, okay.
So that was the post aboutAgent Builder that we talked
about that was announced thisweek.
So we can skip over that.
And now we're gonna.
Ulrikke (23:55):
And then I get to talk about um Lydia's thing.
Which um she has uh so in thekeynote keynote, the first
keynote of this conference, theyshowed off uh some of the new
uh co-pilot studio capabilities.
And then uh in true fashion,Lydia gets up on stage, she
creates uh a co-pilot studioagent with all the bells and
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whistles in under four minutes,and she had time to spare.
So she had in the backgroundwith knowledge sources, with
child agents, so many thingsdoes she set up in just a few
minutes.
And then, of course, what doyou do when you have time over?
You test.
So she showcased uh somethingnew called test sets.
Um, and we have a blog posttalking about how to create test
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cases to evaluate your agent.
And you can choose from 10.
We've we looked at this before,we talked about this in the
podcast before, where you canchoose if you wanted to create
10 questions for you, that it'sgonna run every time, if you're
gonna um test by data.
It's all automatic testingbecause that is what you have to
do every time you make achange, and with something
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non-deterministic like this, youneed to make sure that you test
it every time, and that overthe course of your development
cycle, that you see that themajority of the answers you get
are okay.
It's not never gonna be 100%,but at least to the point where
you are satisfied with it.
So thank you, Lydia, for a verygood demo.
Uh, you are just top of the Ilove seeing your demos.
(25:22):
I'm just such a fangirl.
Nick (25:23):
Um and and it's funny because uh I I was telling you
earlier, uh Lydia interviewed metoday about uh about things in
the community and things likethat.
And uh I got to I got to pitchthe podcast a little bit as
well.
Oh, that's really good.
Sort of mindful.
Ulrikke (25:36):
She's a supporter of the podcast from before.
We talked with her uh on thecommunity um kind of uh posting
on the community channel andLinkedIn as well.
So yeah.
Nick (25:44):
So awesome.
Thank you, Lydia, for uh beinga fan.
We appreciate it.
Ulrikke (25:47):
Yeah, thank you.
Nick (25:48):
All right, so we're gonna go and we're into the the Yucca,
the Yucca Corner.
Ulrikke (25:52):
Yeah, so yeah, I I just put that in there, and as soon
as I wrote Yucca Corner, I'mlike, yeah, this makes sense.
We need a Yucca Corner on thepodcast.
And Yucca posts somethingalmost every day.
And as much as you are a grumpyold man yelling at the cloud
sometimes, Yucca, but you alwaysresonate.
Always.
(26:12):
Um so and this is just a simplepost with a very descriptive
illustration which says, ifbeing hard on yourself worked,
it would have worked by now,which is a comment on how how
hard we are on ourselves, um,and how much we are taught that
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pushing through um is thesolution, or it's not always the
solution.
Uh, and I encourage you to goin and and read that post and
also follow Yucca.
He's a thought leader in ourspace.
Um, and it his post enriches myday.
So thank you, Yuka, for doingwhat you do and keep it going.
Because we need you in thisspace.
Nick (26:54):
Absolutely.
So um that was a lot ofcontent.
And if it sounds like we'rerushing a little bit, it does
look like they're shut, they'rethey're tearing down the whole
set.
Ulrikke (27:02):
I think they're actually waiting with this part
now just because we're sittinghere.
So we're gonna enable the teamto kind of get everything.
Nick (27:09):
They have to be fans of the booths probably.
Ulrikke (27:10):
Oh, yeah, probably, yeah.
Nick (27:11):
All right, they're gonna ask for autographs after.
But just quickly, uh um, we'requickly we'll move on.
So we're here at uh PowerPlatform Community Conference is
wrapping up, but they'veannounced next year roughly the
same time.
Yeah, yeah.
It's kind of right beforeHalloween.
So um I hope to be back herenext year again.
Um Me too.
Yeah, but in between now andthen, there's one or two things
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happening.
Ulrikke (27:32):
Oh conference season is like a full year cycle at this
point, right?
Nick (27:37):
But I love it.
It's yeah, I'm seeing myfriends, we're learning new
things.
Having so much fun.
Yes, yes, it's so next up forme is Microsoft Ignite in San
Francisco.
Looking forward to that.
Gonna be a lot of friends uhthere um either participating or
doing uh expert uh booths orsessions and that kind of thing.
Of course, a lot of some of theannouncements here, of course,
(27:57):
this covers the entire Microsoftecosystem.
Probably gonna be a lot of bigannouncements.
And then um things uh I knowthat there's some other uh
there's we don't have it listedhere because we're not involved,
but the European SharePointconference will be happening.
We know a lot of friends willbe there.
Uh, I know that there's the thedirections is happening as
well.
That's true.
I know there's a few of ourfriends there.
(28:17):
That's more of the businesscentral conference.
And then finally we flip out,we can take a break and we move
into 2026, where it starts off.
So yeah, this is gonna be adeveloper challenge.
This week I have beenrecruiting team members.
Yes.
I think I've got a few.
Woohoo.
Um, well, they're kind ofinterested.
I've kind of I'm working theI'm working uh couples against
(28:38):
each other a little bit.
Ulrikke (28:39):
Nice, that's very clever.
Nick (28:41):
Yeah, so it's uh I'll uh I'll bring a team together
after.
Uh so yeah, I'm I'm hoping togo um and and bring a team and
and dive in and uh we'll seewhat happens.
Ulrikke (28:50):
But then we're both presenting at Talon.
Yes, yes, uh, and we're bothpresenting at uh Color Cloud as
well because now we can actuallyofficially tell everyone that
we're doing the agent academy asa workshop at ColorCloud.
This is gonna be freakingfantastic.
I'm super stoked.
Nick (29:07):
I'm super excited about that too.
Ulrikke (29:09):
Uh I I don't know about you, but for me, it's like they
actually will allow us to dothat curriculum as uh a
workshop.
And I think that's an honor forme to for them to say that,
yeah, you guys go ahead and youtake all that hard work that
we've done and turn that into aworkshop.
Right.
Nick (29:24):
I really appreciate it.
Yeah, and I think for them too,it's a it's another way because
they've done the videos,they've done that.
But if you're the type ofperson who's like, yes, I'm
gonna get to it.
Yes, I'm gonna get to it.
Yes, you know what?
This is your opportunity toactually book a solid day before
Color Cloud because I mean it'sone of the great, good, great
community conferences.
Yeah, I spent a lot of timewith Matt's this week, who's one
of the organizers.
Like he's oh man, the guy makesme laugh.
(29:45):
Yeah, he's just a bundle of joyand everything.
Um, so looking forward to that.
So that way is a perfectopportunity.
So yeah, we're doing that.
Uh we have a uh cloud tactolin,which is just the part of uh
it's like the weekend afterArctic A C D C.
So that's Kind of part oftouring that together.
And then um Dynamics Minds ishappening the end of May, which
(30:07):
and then following that will bethe European Power Platform
Conference.
Ulrikke (30:09):
Yes.
First to fourth of June.
Yes.
Nick (30:12):
And then probably, and then we're looking at Scottish
Summit next October.
Oh man.
And then uh Power PlatformCommunity Conference.
Oh, there you go.
Ulrikke (30:19):
And then we're just then we're just going to full
circle.
Nick (30:22):
There's a full circle, but we'll keep you updated.
These things are in flow.
And then the other thing thatwe didn't mention was Canadian
Power Platform Summit.
Yes.
Which I'm not speaking at.
I'm one of the organizers.
Um putting that together.
That is coming together quitenicely.
We're really excited about oursessions have been picked.
We'll be publishing that verysoon.
Workshops have beenestablished.
Keynote has been established,which I am super excited about.
Ulrikke (30:43):
Yeah, you told me about it.
Nick (30:44):
And overall, it's going to be another great event.
And then then the day before,there's going to be Dynamics
User Group.
They're doing their event.
So together, it is like I thinkI said last last uh last
episode.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
It's been a long week.
Oh yeah.
It's going to be the unofficiallaunch to MVP Summit the
following week.
Yeah.
Ulrikke (31:03):
Oh, that's fantastic.
We're looking forward to that.
Nick (31:06):
And I love the fact that we can do a live podcast live or
together.
We hardly ever we don't get todo this very often anymore.
This is the first time we'vedone it in a while.
Since Nordic Summit.
Well yeah.
Ulrikke (31:19):
Live on stage.
Yes.
Also, yeah.
Okay, it's been a long week,you guys.
Nick (31:23):
Yes, it's clear enough.
Next episode is holy crap,November 19th.
Ulrikke (31:29):
Yeah.
Nick (31:29):
Are you serious?
Ulrikke (31:30):
Uh you put this in the I did put it.
Nick (31:32):
Am I serious?
Yeah, I guess I am.
This is coming out November5th.
Uh this uh this is we're stillin October where we are today.
We're still in Vegas.
We have uh we're goingziplining tomorrow, right?
Ulrikke (31:41):
Yes, we are.
We're gonna go SupermanZiplaning across, you know, the
thrip.
So that's gonna be freakingawesome.
And then we have Halloweeningto do.
Yeah, there's so much funthings going on, and then this
will be released on the normalkind of cadence on Wednesday.
So that's gonna be kind of aweek after this.
Nick (31:56):
And I do want to call out a couple people.
Uh Anna Black actually asked meto mention her uh her uh
refreshments that she was uhserving all of us uh here this
week.
So Anna, thank you for that.
Ulrikke (32:08):
Yes, thanks for keeping us going.
Nick (32:09):
Keeping us uh hydrated.
Yes, as well.
Uh whatever.
And then I met a couple otherfans as well.
People come up to me and said,Hey, we're a big fan of the
podcast.
Uh, you know, we we love it.
I and you know, one uhgentleman today, and I wish I
had his name, he freaked out tome.
But I you know who you are.
Thank you.
He said he because he said hehe tries to get other people in
(32:31):
his company and people that arelearning Power Platform to
listen to the podcast.
We really appreciate that.
So there's a lot of people thatcame up and said they're a fan,
and I no, I uh how about thesame thing?
Ulrikke (32:41):
So many good conversations, and also people
coming up just to be to say howthey appreciate the podcast, and
then they go off to tell kindof how they got into the space,
and then suddenly they realizeno, and and they're having this
little issue, and if there'sanything we can do to help, it's
kind of piggybacking on thingsthat we've talked about on the
podcast, which I really likebecause that's why we're here.
Yeah, it's to kind of keep youup to date on all the little
(33:02):
corners and all the littlenibbets in our space, and then
if if you find somethinginteresting, you latch onto
that, and it's up to you to kindof grab it and then go with it.
And that's what they do.
And I absolutely love it andreally appreciate all your
feedback.
Thank you so much.
And you've given away all theducks.
So now 150, no, 300.
Nick (33:22):
I think it was 300 ducks.
Ulrikke (33:23):
Ducks have now are now traveling to the far corners of
the world, and that just makesme feel so incredibly stoked.
Nick (33:32):
I'm like, I guess the question fooling our audience,
do you want to see more ducks,or do you have other ideas for
other swags?
So we'll keep it up in theprice with it.
Ulrikke (33:41):
Swag requests, this is what you can do.
Water bottles, anyone?
No, no one's not allowed.
I know, I know the bottles.
No, no, but just right.
You can't have any more waterbottles.
It's fine.
Cool.
All right, okay.
We're gonna wrap it up, youguys.
Thank you so much forlistening.
Uh, and we will catch you nexttime.
See ya.
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News.
And the first thing he did, it was he created Tetris.
Yes.
So I mean, and that's just in ain a one-word document prompt,
and he just puts that in there,and then that's able to create
uh kind of yeah, uh that gamefor him in in seconds.
Yep.
Which kind of shows you thepower of the tools that we have
at our disposal.
Nick (00:18):
Yep.
So so funny, funny note aboutthat.
I ran into Ryan later, waschatting a little bit with him
about that.
So he said he uh he at the endthey fired off cannons with
little with confetti.
He said they only told him 10minutes before he was going on
that they had the confetticannons there.
Fantastic.
So he said he had to he said heuh of uh he said he he vibe
keynoted that end.
Ulrikke (00:39):
That's fantastic.
Yeah, it was reallyinteresting.
Because he left us with becreative, build, and then let's
go.
Nick (00:44):
And then that was really cool.
Well, the confetti went off.
So yeah, that was a lot of fun.
It was a great way to uh kindof kick off the last thing.
Ulrikke (00:51):
Absolutely.
Okay.
(01:27):
Hey everyone.
Nick (01:28):
Hey everybody.
Ulrikke (01:29):
We uh We're live here from PPCC, uh Power Platform
Community Conference here in LasVegas.
Yes.
Yes, we are.
Nick (01:39):
Uh and you may you may hear a little bit of uh
background noise.
They're tearing down thecommunity area, but hopefully
this will we'll be we may haveto AI the sound a little bit.
Ulrikke (01:50):
Yeah, maybe, maybe.
Let's let's see what AI can do.
Yes, right.
Okay, so we are this isThursday.
It's closing day.
Last day of the thing, it'sactually workshops are happening
tomorrow.
I know a few of our communityfriends have a workshop thing
happening, but for the rest ofus, we are now officially
finished with the conference.
So what's been the highlightfor you?
Nick (02:10):
Okay, so the three days were amazing.
Uh did a workshop on Mondaywith uh amazing Eliza Benitez.
We just said goodbye to Eliza,she's flying home, so it was
good to see her.
But Eliza.
Um and uh so that was good.
And we also did a session onPlan Designer on Tuesday
afternoon, which was a lot offun.
Um, yesterday, me and a fewothers played hooky.
We went to the Grand Canyon,which I think is something we
(02:32):
should do at conferences now.
Like you have an intense coupledays and then have a day off in
between where you just canrelax and chill or maybe go to
the pool or go see something,and then back at it today.
Ulrikke (02:43):
Yeah, maybe that's what we should have.
A gap day.
Nick (02:47):
Well, that would be fantastic.
Yeah, like a part one and apart two.
Um, but uh I think one of thehighlights for me was this
morning's keynote.
Yeah.
I want to talk a little bitabout it.
Was Michael Phelps, who ofcourse is a five-time Olympic
gold medalist.
And just about his journeyabout becoming Olympus, the
training, he did the intensity,and of course, he also covered
things with mental health at theend, which are are things that
(03:07):
I'm very I'm very um these arethings that are very important
to me.
Yes.
Um, and what his his speech waslike, yes, he's a professional
athlete.
He's been paid, um, he's beenin the Olympics for years he
trained every day.
But some of the thingsresonated with me as I I call
myself a hobbyist athlete.
So I understand the training,the mentality, but he was
(03:28):
talking about the things hedoes, like visualization.
I do that.
Yeah.
I've told you this, and yet,you know.
But as a way for me to get tosleep, I will visualize the
lifts I'm gonna do powerliftingand things like that.
Um, he talked about that.
It's sort of okay, thatresonated with me.
And also about preparing forthings that could go wrong,
about how his coach broke hisswim goggles.
Um, and so he had to swim oneday without the goggles.
(03:52):
And then without the uh andthen that helped him in a later
event because all of a suddenhis goggles filled with water,
he still won the gold medal.
Wow.
But he said, but because of thethe timing and the training of
these of these things, and itsort of goes for like to me, it
kind of reflects on life.
Life's not perfect, and we haveto sometimes adapt.
Like, you know, we do demos andthings, right?
(04:13):
You know how it is inpresentations, the demos don't
go well, and then we have tokind of improvise, and because
of you know what we do when wepractice, it becomes better.
And then the other thing too,which really kind of hit me hit
home with me about um how hesaid out of the five Olympics
that he did, only one of them hefelt he was really at a hundred
percent.
And other times he was at maybeat sixty percent or
seventy-five percent.
(04:34):
And this is something Iconstantly feel going to these
powerlifting meets.
I'm like, okay, I feel I wasn'tat a hundred percent today for
various reasons the timing, thefood, all the other factors
involved, but it's just sort ofpreparing for that.
So, anyways, all in all, anamazing keynote.
Um, it was he was interviewedby Sange Singh, um, who's uh you
know senior VP in Microsoft.
(04:54):
And and incidentally, I didactually bump into Sanga a
little bit after.
So I had a nice little chatwith her.
And but overall, it was I thinkto me that was a highlight of
this event.
And of course, all the othergreat content and all the other
things, the announcements andeverything else was great, but
that was sort of the highlight.
Yeah, and then maybe ChristinaAguilera was a lot of fun too.
Ulrikke (05:10):
Oh, yeah, you like that?
Oh, that was a lot of fun.
Oh, that was a really highlightfor me.
And it's this is one of thosethings, you know, just knowing
people here and being able to,so we went up very close to the
stage.
So I got I was so close.
I was so close to ChristinaAguilera, that was so much fun.
No, and speaking of thekeynote, uh, so after Sonia had
had that session with MichaelPhelps, uh Brian Cunningham
(05:33):
stayed to Sage uh to kind oframp us up for the last day of
the conference talking aboutcreativity.
And he took us kind of back intime to when uh you know the
fidget spinner thing was athing, and he said probably less
people in the whole worldmaking power apps than we are
here today.
So this conference had about7,000 uh attendees, right?
Roughly, right?
(05:54):
Um so that tells you something,right?
So and he said there is this18-year-old kid who made a
fidget spinner in Power Apps andusing a feature that they
really hadn't intended to keepthere.
It was something that came inwith PowerFX that came from
Excel.
They were like, no one's gonnaeven use this.
This that this has nothing todo with business applications,
(06:16):
but they just left it in there.
That little thing enabled himto do that, and that just took
off.
And then it kind of brought itback into this today, and
announcements around App Builderand Microsoft 365.
And the first thing he did itwas he created Tetris.
Tetris.
Yes.
So I mean, and that's just in ain a one-word document prompt,
and he just puts that in there,and then that's able to create
(06:38):
uh kind of yeah, uh that gamefor him and in seconds.
Yep.
Which kind of shows you thepower of the tools that we have
at our disposal.
Nick (06:46):
Yep.
So so funny, funny note aboutthat.
I ran into Ryan later, waschatting a little bit with him
about that.
So he said he uh he at the endthey fired off cannons with
little with confetti.
He said they only told him 10minutes before he was going on
that they had the confetticannons there.
So he said he had to he said heuh of uh he said he he vibe
keynoted.
Ulrikke (07:07):
That's fantastic.
Yeah, it was reallyinteresting.
Because he left us with becreative, build, and then let's
go.
Nick (07:12):
And then that was really interesting.
Well, the confetti went off.
So yeah, that was a lot of fun.
It was a great way to uh tokind of kick off the last thing.
Ulrikke (07:20):
Absolutely.
So um any sessions worthmentioning?
Anything you wanted tohighlight in terms of content
from from this week?
Nick (07:27):
Oh, I think like a couple of the big announcements, of
course, uh with plans and plandesigner, because we talked
about it.
Um, the fact that there's gonnabe a code agent in Plan
Designer, I think is huge.
Um the fact that now PlanDesigner, of course, creates
Canvas apps, creates uh flows,and all the other things, it's
also going to create code for usand code apps.
So interesting to see that.
I think we're gonna see more atIgnite in a couple weeks.
(07:48):
So there is an announcement ona blog that we're gonna have in
the show notes.
So definitely check that out.
Um as you know, one of the thelike these are that's probably
one of the bigger announcements.
There's definitely a fewothers.
Um, of course, logo, logochanges.
Ulrikke (08:02):
Oh, yeah.
Icons, icons, no logo, yeah,icon changes.
Nick (08:06):
And um uh a few other announcements around like uh
agent apps, and I know that's onkind of our list, and I'm
always like to me, I always havemixed feelings about like an
announcement like that becauseit's again, it's a case of
anybody can build an app oranybody can build an agent.
I'm like, okay, we've heardthis before.
We've heard this in the 90swith Visual Basics, we've heard
this.
And Power Apps came out saying,oh, if you could do a
(08:29):
PowerPoint, you can build anapp.
And then not to say that peoplehave gone on and built apps
with those skills, but stillthere's a certain amount of
skills and aptitude that youneed to effectively build these
apps.
So now we have these agent appsthat you can build part of M365
Copilot that really are onlyback their data source and makes
me.
Is it a data sort?
(08:50):
They called it, they called itthat.
And I'm like, oh it's uh it's aSharePoint list on the back
end.
And so to me, it's kind oflike, well, this is almost it's
not even a power app, it'ssomething else again.
And I think it kind of conf Ithink it kind of confuses the
market a little bit.
I get what they're trying todo, and I get the technology,
and I also recognize thatthey're competitors out there
(09:11):
that Microsoft needs to address.
Yeah.
Ulrikke (09:13):
That's probably the big thing on this one.
Nick (09:15):
Anyways, I don't know.
I'm still a p fan of like, youknow, build like where power
apps is going in a sense.
I'm not sure how agent thesorry, the this new MIME 365 app
builder really I realize whereit plays in the story, but I
think it's gonna confuse peopleand they're gonna be focused on
that when really they should bestarting with Power Apps.
Yeah.
And again, it's gonna beanother case of, well, we're
gonna do it this way becausewe're gonna save money on it.
(09:36):
Okay, here we go.
So anyways, rant over.
Absolutely.
Ulrikke (09:40):
Yeah, oh of course we do.
Yeah, a very good time, bellywell timed.
Right, okay.
So um, because there are now umkind of we feel about pressure,
we're gonna go through the listbecause there was a lot of
other uh news and updates thisweek's as well.
Nick (09:53):
Not just beyond yeah beyond here.
Ulrikke (09:56):
So um that was very uh cool.
So let's dive into the news andupdates.
Yes.
So and actually this timearound, we have a bit of a
follow-up thing because a lot ofthe things that we're gonna
share is actually following upfrom uh last episode.
So first we start off withLouise Fries.
This is first, this is new.
Um, and she talks about how tofix your LinkedIn feed.
And this is a two-step process.
(10:17):
These are two different um,there's a one and and a second
version of this where she hasthese document thingies on
LinkedIn sharing how to fix yourLinkedIn feed.
And it's all about teaching thealgorithm who you are.
So, and and as most of us know,uh a like or a share, that's
not gonna do much.
But a comment, that's gonna doso much more.
(10:40):
And scroll past content youdon't want to see, and don't
engage in content that you don'twant to see more of.
Because what that will do is tojust show the algorithm, oh,
this key this gets youinterested, and they don't see
the difference between the badand the good.
So um a lot of good tips andtricks from Luis, uh, which I'm
adopting slowly myself, becauseI think that's um and that goes
(11:01):
for other kind of uh behavior aswell online.
Um to because these algorithmsthey do learn who we are.
So it's also my responsibilityto teach them who we are and
what we want to see.
And then you saw something newfrom uh Daniel?
Nick (11:15):
Yeah, so this came out today, actually, or he posted it
today.
Um it's about using um uh MCPserver.
So we do we so we are obviouslyworking a little bit
differently today.
It is a Power Platform CLI MCPserver, and he created some
labs, um created a lab on this.
So show you how to use it toask questions of using natural
(11:36):
language.
Instead of having to rememberall the CLI commands, and this
is something for me, I'mconstantly asking the help on
the CLI.
And I have posted at home on mymy on my corkboard a list of
all the CLI.
Ulrikke (11:47):
I have a one note that I just copied from, and I have
the the copy of the clipboardthingy that I use, and oh yeah,
we have so many mechanisms forthis.
Nick (11:54):
So I haven't had a chance to dive into this, but this is
something I'm gonna do.
He did mention to me, becausehe actually this is the end
note, right?
Because he he he he knows howto work the system a little bit.
So I saw this.
I'd already added it to ournotes, and then he actually sent
me a message going, Hey, lookwhat I did today.
Yeah, I just thought but he didsay something about there's a
report.
He said the links are broken inthere for some reason.
He said, you know, I said, Oh,we're gonna mention the podcast.
(12:15):
So he said, make sure you letpeople know that the links are
broken, I think, in the reportsection or whatever.
So it's hopefully you'll getfixed by the time you look at
this.
But I just wanted to bring thatup.
Ulrikke (12:23):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Thank you, Daniel.
It's very good.
Nick (12:26):
Oh, yeah.
Ulrikke (12:27):
Yes, this, because I and I wanted to showcase a new
area that I found uh onMicrosoft.
It's not docs, it's calledcalled Work Lab.
I was doing some research intouh custom um uh custom UI for
chats and AI chats, and I cameacross this site on
Microsoft.com that has so manygood articles and resources
(12:50):
about AI.
For instance, an interactivequiz, which um questions gives
you uh an AI, how do you AI kindof DNA um profile, uh, and so
many good interactive uharticles.
So I just wanted to showcasethis whole space.
Uh, and if this is somethingthat you're kind of toying with,
it has a very different lookand feel to any other things,
(13:12):
Microsoft.
This is more modern, more edgy.
I'm more like kind of um honestkind of block colors.
Nick (13:21):
Yeah, yeah.
Ulrikke (13:21):
Actually, very much like what Ana does.
Yeah, is it Ana right thisstage?
Do you have something to dowith this?
No, no.
Uh no, but it's a very goodresource.
And it actually, it's been awhile since I've come across a
resource that kind of pulls mein like this.
Because this actually, it wasso good, articles very short and
sweet, and easy to go to thenext thing.
(13:41):
And it was so actual andfactual and very well
researched, and of course, lotsof other things.
So, yeah, absolutely go checkthat out.
Nick (13:50):
All right, for sure.
Yeah.
Um, so we're gonna dive into alittle bit of PowerPages stuff
as well.
Quite a few PowerPagesannouncements, but also stuff
from the community.
Tino Rabbi, uh, he postedsomething that says, I think is
gonna be a great resource.
Oh, yeah.
Because this is something bothyou and I have fought with a
little bit.
Ulrikke (14:08):
Spent so many hours.
I mean, come on.
Nick (14:10):
Yes, I I've heard uh yeah, you rant about some of this as
well.
Ulrikke (14:13):
Yeah, we can just replay those, don't have to take
those again.
Nick (14:15):
Yeah, but basically he built a guide for configuring um
uh authentication.
He it's a uh complete zero to100% Kickstarter guide to power
pages for authentication um forsetting up external intra ID.
I recognize it's not well, youcan if you follow the basics,
you can get it going, but allthe little intricacies in the
claims mapping, um, the thedifferent setups, the work, the
(14:39):
flows, the MFA configuration.
So Tino's put a guide togetherto help us out.
So I know this is going to beheavily bookmarked for me as
we're going forward.
I have a couple projects thatare very uh intense with uh the
uh authentication.
So yeah, thanks, Tino, foranother awesome resource.
Ulrikke (14:58):
And it also calls out something that I think is not
often spoken about, and that isthat there's often a gap, right?
So we're PowerPages people, weknow that product, but we are
connecting to something inAzure.
None of us are Azure people,really.
But suddenly it's required ofus to have the skill set to
navigate, just navigate Azure,just to know what an app
resource is, to understandclient ID, fight secret,
(15:20):
antenna, and all the things youneed to know about and to
actually dare go in.
I remember the first time thatI kind of, you know, tipped my
toe into Azure, I felt suchco-coder and scared to ruin and
break the internet.
But but it but he points outthat there's so many things we
do that when you connect toother applications or we connect
to other systems, that there'suh there's a gap.
(15:42):
And so if you can be theconsultant that has the
knowledge and the skill set tobridge those gaps, and I think
that's one of the things I pridemyself on in my career as well,
that I haven't I've talkedabout this before, the fringed
uh competency thing.
And this is speaking directlyto that.
So you come in and you're apower pre-dis consultant who
knows how to do this.
This is a brilliant example ofknowing something outside your
(16:04):
scope that will enhance you as aas an employee and as a
consultant.
Same goes for Power BI reports.
I've so many times I've had toset up Power BI reports and to
set up that connection and getthat up and going.
And it is very valuable for thecustomers and not have to
always bring in a Power BIconsultant at that point, for
instance.
Maybe they come on soon later.
So that this is I I really likethe fact that he's pointing
(16:27):
pointing at that directly.
Awesome.
Nick (16:28):
Yes.
Moving along, um, other bigPowerPages announcement this
week that um kind of took us alluh by surprise a little bit.
And I actually uh what I sawthe team because usually as
MVPs, we do get a little bit ofan insider-ahead preview of some
of these new features comingthrough.
What we're talking about is theserver logic um from in
(16:49):
PowerPages.
And what it is is uh theability to run JavaScript
securely on the server andhaving it the ability to
interact with Dataverse.
And uh it was actually ourfriend Victor Dantis.
He actually messaged me.
Ulrikke (17:02):
Yeah, I hit it on LinkedIn.
Nick (17:03):
He's like, he said, uh guy, has you guys anybody seen
this?
Anyone know what this is about?
And we're like, no, this comesout of the blue.
And uh it's interesting enough.
So it's it's looks like areally cool thing.
I haven't had a chance to tryit out yet.
I really think it's meant toenable more the single-page
applications or the coded powerpages.
I think they're trill trying tokind of nail down an official
name for that.
(17:24):
Um, I saw the engineering team,I saw Dipdy, and I kind of
said, like, oh, like anyfeedback, whatever, like, yeah,
why are you holding back secretsfrom us?
Because it's like, you know,and she laughed.
Um yeah, apparently I just shesaid, you know, I guess they
wanted a bit of a she the wayshe framed it, they still wanted
to surprise us with stuff.
But I also know that I thinkthere was um things might have
(17:44):
got released a little bitearlier than they had thought as
well.
Ulrikke (17:48):
Well, now you're giving away state tickets come like
that.
Nick (17:50):
Yeah, yeah.
Anyways, yeah.
It was all planned this way.
Ulrikke (17:52):
Yes, this is what it was intended to be.
Absolutely.
Okay, so but so I'm not tootechy, and the server, the
client side.
Okay, so this for me, thisit'll tell me if I got this
right.
Uh, if I want to do this today,I'll have to rely on the
plugin.
If I want to make somethinghappen uh asynchronously and
bring the feedback back to thepage, because I can fire off a
flow and I could do log on theback end, but I can't in
(18:15):
PowerPages get that feedbackright away or wait for that
thing to finish before we moveon to the next step.
Is this gonna solve thatspecific thing?
Nick (18:24):
Actually, with Power Automate, it does.
It is synchronous from PowerPages.
Not too many people know that,but there is a bit of a delay,
there's a bit of a setup.
It also uses power uh powerautomate licensing.
This is something where we havethat server logic.
We can also apply web roles andpermissions around that.
And instead of writing thistime, if I'm writing an Azure
(18:44):
function, for example, andtrying to wrap an API and
security and pass tokens and allthat kind of thing, don't need
to worry about that anymore.
All taken care of.
Nice.
I can call it, I can even runum uh we can even uh have it
trigger custom actions withinDataverse.
Ulrikke (19:00):
Right.
Fantastic.
Without having to rely on PowerAutomate.
Because in most use cases, whenit's a UI sensitive thing, that
it takes too long.
Nick (19:08):
Yes.
Ulrikke (19:08):
Right?
And you have to warm it up andit's a bit of a lag, and it
creates a not a desired userexperience.
So that's what I was lookingfor.
If this is a way for me to fireoff some logic and actually be
able to just wait for it tofinish and then move on to the
next thing.
And that's it.
Nick (19:22):
And this is gonna clean up a lot of that legacy code
that's using Azure.
Uh remember like uh Azurecompanion apps, their buddy
apps, like Colin used to callthem.
Oh that's gonna eliminate thisand make that a lot super.
Fantastic.
Ulrikke (19:34):
Also, this is a very welcome change.
Nick (19:36):
All right.
Uh again, moving along.
Um, also the power pages.
I know we're gonna focus a bitheavy on that, but the ability
to strengthen your security witha code QL code scan.
Yeah.
Now, again, I haven't dived toodeep into this at all, but
this, of course, security aroundPowerPages because PowerPages
is exposed to the externalworld.
Yeah.
So this is something that'sgonna help strengthen that,
(19:58):
identify these things, allow youto fix them and make your site
even more closed.
And then uh even some of thesessions I saw this week from
the team, they're talking aboutalready about what they're doing
with the web uh web firewallsand the security they have built
into PowerPages.
There's already there was a lotof malicious um attacks, not
necessarily attackingPowerPages, but uh in general
that Microsoft shuts down basedon their infrastructure.
(20:20):
So again, if you're thinking ofbuilding your own website and
hosting it on your own, youknow, either in Azure or
whatever, remember if you buildit within the context of
PowerPages, you get that wholeother security uh ecosystem
behind it.
Ulrikke (20:32):
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, no, I talked to NikitaPolekov on the PowerCat team,
no, sorry, cat team uh yesterdayabout this as well.
And who said this is when youdownload your site to Visual
Studio Code, and then you havethis um code QL way of scanning
that JavaScript from that as aas a tool, which uh will go span
through all the scripts on thewhole site to make sure that
(20:55):
it's all secure, that youhaven't exposed anything you
shouldn't, and it's actuallyjust it's it's a buddy, right?
It's a security buddy on theway when when you're developing
because Power recognizedMicrosoft can only do so much.
And it this goes for um youknow um accessibility as well,
right?
You the product can only be asgood as what they deliver, and
from the second you open thebox, it's on you to make sure
(21:16):
that it's secure and it's uhyeah, it meets all the
requirements.
So this is something to helpyou along those uh lines.
So, team, accessibility checkeris next, right?
Nick (21:26):
Yes, thank you very much.
I asked Dipty for the uh theskip first round experience.
Oh, did you?
She just said she laughed andshe goes, I know, I know.
Ulrikke (21:34):
Oh, okay.
So they are aware.
So yeah, she was really aware.
She was like, as soon as I saidit.
Nick (21:41):
All right, so guess who's back?
Back again.
Ulrikke (21:43):
Yeah.
Clipp is back.
Yeah, no, this is uh uh just apost I saw from um from Satina
Dela.
I don't really know what thisvideo has to do with anything,
but uh the the general gist ofthe thing is you remember I
talked about the the Microsoftchat, not Microsoft 365 chat,
not copilot chat, Microsoft chatfor your personal user that you
(22:09):
have on your laptop, uh, whichhas the vision, you can share
your screen with it, and it hasthe little smiley blob thing in
the middle.
Yeah, now you can get thelittle blobby thing to become
clippy with the skin.
So that's just this news andit's just you know, those little
fun little silly things.
Yeah.
But who doesn't want clippy,right?
So yeah, so fun.
Nick (22:28):
All right.
Um this was oh yeah.
Remember like last week,feature requests.
Yes.
Matthew Devaney was saying,wouldn't it be great if we could
do Fetch XML as a knowledgesource in Copilot Studio?
Well, we saw this week AndreasAdner, who I think we might we
might have covered his stuffbefore.
Yeah, I know it looks familiar.
Sounds familiar.
(22:49):
And Andreas, thanks for thecontent.
Um, inspired by that post fromMatthew, went ahead and built a
system to use uh fetch XML andmake it a um something that
would get triggered on aknowledge requested uh trigger
in Copilot Studio.
Yep.
Ulrikke (23:05):
So found a way to solve it.
It's a bit of a workaround hackuh at this point, but it's nice
and it's very cool.
And we love it when you guysjust run with these things.
It's so much fun.
Yeah.
And also by doing this, youalso learn a little bit about
the ecosystem and how you cankind of configure it to get to
do what you want.
Because at the end of the day,what we do when we configure
stuff is that we learn a fewtricks along the way to how to
(23:26):
work around and to get it to doour bidding, even though that's
not what it's completelydesigned to do.
No, we we get it to work theway we want it.
Nick (23:32):
So that's a great thing about hacking some of these
things.
That's how you learn too,right?
Ulrikke (23:35):
Yes, absolutely.
Nick (23:36):
Yeah, awesome, awesome job.
Ulrikke (23:38):
Whoops.
Oh, did I close the link?
Yep.
So do you want to go back tothe OneNote and open it again?
Nick (23:43):
Do do do.
Ulrikke (23:44):
So now you're seeing Agent by Brian.
Nick (23:47):
Oh, oh yeah.
So we talked about that AgentBuilder.
Right, okay.
So that was the post aboutAgent Builder that we talked
about that was announced thisweek.
So we can skip over that.
And now we're gonna.
Ulrikke (23:55):
And then I get to talk about um Lydia's thing.
Which um she has uh so in thekeynote keynote, the first
keynote of this conference, theyshowed off uh some of the new
uh co-pilot studio capabilities.
And then uh in true fashion,Lydia gets up on stage, she
creates uh a co-pilot studioagent with all the bells and
(24:18):
whistles in under four minutes,and she had time to spare.
So she had in the backgroundwith knowledge sources, with
child agents, so many thingsdoes she set up in just a few
minutes.
And then, of course, what doyou do when you have time over?
You test.
So she showcased uh somethingnew called test sets.
Um, and we have a blog posttalking about how to create test
(24:40):
cases to evaluate your agent.
And you can choose from 10.
We've we looked at this before,we talked about this in the
podcast before, where you canchoose if you wanted to create
10 questions for you, that it'sgonna run every time, if you're
gonna um test by data.
It's all automatic testingbecause that is what you have to
do every time you make achange, and with something
(25:01):
non-deterministic like this, youneed to make sure that you test
it every time, and that overthe course of your development
cycle, that you see that themajority of the answers you get
are okay.
It's not never gonna be 100%,but at least to the point where
you are satisfied with it.
So thank you, Lydia, for a verygood demo.
Uh, you are just top of the Ilove seeing your demos.
(25:22):
I'm just such a fangirl.
Nick (25:23):
Um and and it's funny because uh I I was telling you
earlier, uh Lydia interviewed metoday about uh about things in
the community and things likethat.
And uh I got to I got to pitchthe podcast a little bit as
well.
Oh, that's really good.
Sort of mindful.
Ulrikke (25:36):
She's a supporter of the podcast from before.
We talked with her uh on thecommunity um kind of uh posting
on the community channel andLinkedIn as well.
So yeah.
Nick (25:44):
So awesome.
Thank you, Lydia, for uh beinga fan.
We appreciate it.
Ulrikke (25:47):
Yeah, thank you.
Nick (25:48):
All right, so we're gonna go and we're into the the Yucca,
the Yucca Corner.
Ulrikke (25:52):
Yeah, so yeah, I I just put that in there, and as soon
as I wrote Yucca Corner, I'mlike, yeah, this makes sense.
We need a Yucca Corner on thepodcast.
And Yucca posts somethingalmost every day.
And as much as you are a grumpyold man yelling at the cloud
sometimes, Yucca, but you alwaysresonate.
Always.
(26:12):
Um so and this is just a simplepost with a very descriptive
illustration which says, ifbeing hard on yourself worked,
it would have worked by now,which is a comment on how how
hard we are on ourselves, um,and how much we are taught that
(26:33):
pushing through um is thesolution, or it's not always the
solution.
Uh, and I encourage you to goin and and read that post and
also follow Yucca.
He's a thought leader in ourspace.
Um, and it his post enriches myday.
So thank you, Yuka, for doingwhat you do and keep it going.
Because we need you in thisspace.
Nick (26:54):
Absolutely.
So um that was a lot ofcontent.
And if it sounds like we'rerushing a little bit, it does
look like they're shut, they'rethey're tearing down the whole
set.
Ulrikke (27:02):
I think they're actually waiting with this part
now just because we're sittinghere.
So we're gonna enable the teamto kind of get everything.
Nick (27:09):
They have to be fans of the booths probably.
Ulrikke (27:10):
Oh, yeah, probably, yeah.
Nick (27:11):
All right, they're gonna ask for autographs after.
But just quickly, uh um, we'requickly we'll move on.
So we're here at uh PowerPlatform Community Conference is
wrapping up, but they'veannounced next year roughly the
same time.
Yeah, yeah.
It's kind of right beforeHalloween.
So um I hope to be back herenext year again.
Um Me too.
Yeah, but in between now andthen, there's one or two things
(27:32):
happening.
Ulrikke (27:32):
Oh conference season is like a full year cycle at this
point, right?
Nick (27:37):
But I love it.
It's yeah, I'm seeing myfriends, we're learning new
things.
Having so much fun.
Yes, yes, it's so next up forme is Microsoft Ignite in San
Francisco.
Looking forward to that.
Gonna be a lot of friends uhthere um either participating or
doing uh expert uh booths orsessions and that kind of thing.
Of course, a lot of some of theannouncements here, of course,
(27:57):
this covers the entire Microsoftecosystem.
Probably gonna be a lot of bigannouncements.
And then um things uh I knowthat there's some other uh
there's we don't have it listedhere because we're not involved,
but the European SharePointconference will be happening.
We know a lot of friends willbe there.
Uh, I know that there's the thedirections is happening as
well.
That's true.
I know there's a few of ourfriends there.
(28:17):
That's more of the businesscentral conference.
And then finally we flip out,we can take a break and we move
into 2026, where it starts off.
So yeah, this is gonna be adeveloper challenge.
This week I have beenrecruiting team members.
Yes.
I think I've got a few.
Woohoo.
Um, well, they're kind ofinterested.
I've kind of I'm working theI'm working uh couples against
(28:38):
each other a little bit.
Ulrikke (28:39):
Nice, that's very clever.
Nick (28:41):
Yeah, so it's uh I'll uh I'll bring a team together
after.
Uh so yeah, I'm I'm hoping togo um and and bring a team and
and dive in and uh we'll seewhat happens.
Ulrikke (28:50):
But then we're both presenting at Talon.
Yes, yes, uh, and we're bothpresenting at uh Color Cloud as
well because now we can actuallyofficially tell everyone that
we're doing the agent academy asa workshop at ColorCloud.
This is gonna be freakingfantastic.
I'm super stoked.
Nick (29:07):
I'm super excited about that too.
Ulrikke (29:09):
Uh I I don't know about you, but for me, it's like they
actually will allow us to dothat curriculum as uh a
workshop.
And I think that's an honor forme to for them to say that,
yeah, you guys go ahead and youtake all that hard work that
we've done and turn that into aworkshop.
Right.
Nick (29:24):
I really appreciate it.
Yeah, and I think for them too,it's a it's another way because
they've done the videos,they've done that.
But if you're the type ofperson who's like, yes, I'm
gonna get to it.
Yes, I'm gonna get to it.
Yes, you know what?
This is your opportunity toactually book a solid day before
Color Cloud because I mean it'sone of the great, good, great
community conferences.
Yeah, I spent a lot of timewith Matt's this week, who's one
of the organizers.
Like he's oh man, the guy makesme laugh.
(29:45):
Yeah, he's just a bundle of joyand everything.
Um, so looking forward to that.
So that way is a perfectopportunity.
So yeah, we're doing that.
Uh we have a uh cloud tactolin,which is just the part of uh
it's like the weekend afterArctic A C D C.
So that's Kind of part oftouring that together.
And then um Dynamics Minds ishappening the end of May, which
(30:07):
and then following that will bethe European Power Platform
Conference.
Ulrikke (30:09):
Yes.
First to fourth of June.
Yes.
Nick (30:12):
And then probably, and then we're looking at Scottish
Summit next October.
Oh man.
And then uh Power PlatformCommunity Conference.
Oh, there you go.
Ulrikke (30:19):
And then we're just then we're just going to full
circle.
Nick (30:22):
There's a full circle, but we'll keep you updated.
These things are in flow.
And then the other thing thatwe didn't mention was Canadian
Power Platform Summit.
Yes.
Which I'm not speaking at.
I'm one of the organizers.
Um putting that together.
That is coming together quitenicely.
We're really excited about oursessions have been picked.
We'll be publishing that verysoon.
Workshops have beenestablished.
Keynote has been established,which I am super excited about.
Ulrikke (30:43):
Yeah, you told me about it.
Nick (30:44):
And overall, it's going to be another great event.
And then then the day before,there's going to be Dynamics
User Group.
They're doing their event.
So together, it is like I thinkI said last last uh last
episode.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
It's been a long week.
Oh yeah.
It's going to be the unofficiallaunch to MVP Summit the
following week.
Yeah.
Ulrikke (31:03):
Oh, that's fantastic.
We're looking forward to that.
Nick (31:06):
And I love the fact that we can do a live podcast live or
together.
We hardly ever we don't get todo this very often anymore.
This is the first time we'vedone it in a while.
Since Nordic Summit.
Well yeah.
Ulrikke (31:19):
Live on stage.
Yes.
Also, yeah.
Okay, it's been a long week,you guys.
Nick (31:23):
Yes, it's clear enough.
Next episode is holy crap,November 19th.
Ulrikke (31:29):
Yeah.
Nick (31:29):
Are you serious?
Ulrikke (31:30):
Uh you put this in the I did put it.
Nick (31:32):
Am I serious?
Yeah, I guess I am.
This is coming out November5th.
Uh this uh this is we're stillin October where we are today.
We're still in Vegas.
We have uh we're goingziplining tomorrow, right?
Ulrikke (31:41):
Yes, we are.
We're gonna go SupermanZiplaning across, you know, the
thrip.
So that's gonna be freakingawesome.
And then we have Halloweeningto do.
Yeah, there's so much funthings going on, and then this
will be released on the normalkind of cadence on Wednesday.
So that's gonna be kind of aweek after this.
Nick (31:56):
And I do want to call out a couple people.
Uh Anna Black actually asked meto mention her uh her uh
refreshments that she was uhserving all of us uh here this
week.
So Anna, thank you for that.
Ulrikke (32:08):
Yes, thanks for keeping us going.
Nick (32:09):
Keeping us uh hydrated.
Yes, as well.
Uh whatever.
And then I met a couple otherfans as well.
People come up to me and said,Hey, we're a big fan of the
podcast.
Uh, you know, we we love it.
I and you know, one uhgentleman today, and I wish I
had his name, he freaked out tome.
But I you know who you are.
Thank you.
He said he because he said hehe tries to get other people in
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his company and people that arelearning Power Platform to
listen to the podcast.
We really appreciate that.
So there's a lot of people thatcame up and said they're a fan,
and I no, I uh how about thesame thing?
Ulrikke (32:41):
So many good conversations, and also people
coming up just to be to say howthey appreciate the podcast, and
then they go off to tell kindof how they got into the space,
and then suddenly they realizeno, and and they're having this
little issue, and if there'sanything we can do to help, it's
kind of piggybacking on thingsthat we've talked about on the
podcast, which I really likebecause that's why we're here.
Yeah, it's to kind of keep youup to date on all the little
(33:02):
corners and all the littlenibbets in our space, and then
if if you find somethinginteresting, you latch onto
that, and it's up to you to kindof grab it and then go with it.
And that's what they do.
And I absolutely love it andreally appreciate all your
feedback.
Thank you so much.
And you've given away all theducks.
So now 150, no, 300.
Nick (33:22):
I think it was 300 ducks.
Ulrikke (33:23):
Ducks have now are now traveling to the far corners of
the world, and that just makesme feel so incredibly stoked.
Nick (33:32):
I'm like, I guess the question fooling our audience,
do you want to see more ducks,or do you have other ideas for
other swags?
So we'll keep it up in theprice with it.
Ulrikke (33:41):
Swag requests, this is what you can do.
Water bottles, anyone?
No, no one's not allowed.
I know, I know the bottles.
No, no, but just right.
You can't have any more waterbottles.
It's fine.
Cool.
All right, okay.
We're gonna wrap it up, youguys.
Thank you so much forlistening.
Uh, and we will catch you nexttime.
See ya.
Bye.
Bye.
Thanks for listening.
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