#noLazyAI (#54)

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Ulrikke (00:00):
if you put something that is just AI out there, then
that's one thing, but you alwaysmake sure you read through it,
right, cause it's your words,you're publishing it as your own
.
Then is it Copilot anymore?
I don't know.
Yeah, no, I agree, uh, let's,uh, I like that.
No, zero AI shame.
Let's go for it, come on.

Nick (00:18):
Yep, no lazy AI, but zero shame.

Ulrikke (00:22):
No lazy AI, no lazy AI.
Okay, I think we found ourepisode title, yep.

Nick (00:47):
Welcome everyone to the Power Platform Boost podcast,
your weekly source of news andupdates from the world of the
Power Platform and the Microsoftcommunity, with your hosts Nick
Doelman and Ulrikke Akerbæk.

Ulrikke (01:00):
Hey Nick.

Nick (01:02):
Hey Ulrikke, How's it going?

Ulrikke (01:09):
Oh, still sick, Still have a cold.
So I'm faking it.
I've stuffed my face with allthe things that I can and I put
on lots of makeup.

Nick (01:14):
Yes, how are you?
I'm good because I took my zinc, so I feel great.

Ulrikke (01:23):
Yeah, you keep rubbing that in my face.
It's like I'm never sickbecause I take this and I go.
Maybe it's not that, I thinkit's something else, but, yay,
good for you, it could besomething over.
It's probably not.
It's not even legal in Norway,you know.
So it's not like I can justsend me something and then I'll
never be sick.
But let's try it.
Send me a year worth and thenin a year we'll recess and we'll

(01:47):
see if I've I've not been sick,okay.

Nick (01:50):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's a good deal.
It sounds like a good deal,it's.
It's funny, because you're notthe only one that makes fun of
me.
That cause during the pandemic,that's all I was like I was
popping these things every dayand like I'm not getting sick.
What's everybody and everybody.
And it was actually recommendedto me from a scientist friend
of mine.

Ulrikke (02:09):
Hey, bruce, hope you're doing well you're not listening
, but anyways, um, but anywaysyou're, you're, whenever you can
kind of you can throw myscientist friend in someone's
face.
It's like well if well, I meanI.
I think also the fact that I'mon public transportation you're
not.
I have kids in kindergartenschool age, you have not.

(02:30):
And I also frequently visitlike 10 different grocery stores
You're not.

Nick (02:35):
I think that may have a little bit to do with it,
exactly Like when my daughterwas small, when she first
started going to daycare andeverything like that, like I
wasn't sick before, but thatwinter I was like one cold
progressively after another andI remember going into clients
and going oh, you still have acold.
I go no, no, this is the thirdcold from the last time you saw

(02:56):
me Exactly.

Ulrikke (02:58):
But it's a region thing , right?
So, without going in, we hadone of those office meetings on
Friday.
They had to postpone it because75 of the people at the office
was sick.
So it's a norway thing and also, you know, our customer project
, everyone's been out sick for along time.
So I mean, I think it's alsoone of those things where in
norway, we are allowed to besick because we have all those

(03:20):
the mechanisms in place so thatwhen we get a cold and we're
sick, we can just be sick and wedon't have the drugs that you
have to keep everyone goingalways.
So it's okay.
I mean, what did I do the week?
The whole weekend I I uh, blewmy nose and I watched tv and
like I can't remember the lasttime I did that and I needed a

(03:42):
break.
So it's, it's all good, right.

Nick (03:46):
Yep.
Yeah so it's good to have abreak.
For sure, my week, my weekend,was doing a unexpected furnace
upgrade, so it's it's all good,that's so crazy.

Ulrikke (03:57):
Waking up from text to you going, oh, the furnace is
now out, and I was like, oh,shoot out.
And I was like, oh, shoot,how's that gonna work?
You know like what they'rereplacing it today.

Nick (04:07):
What no, okay?

Ulrikke (04:08):
this, this is, this is we're doing today.

Nick (04:09):
This is the timeline of events, because we have like a,
a furnace maintenance contractwhere they come in, uh, twice a
year or once or yeah, whateverit is on a regular little check
the furnace, make sure it'srunning efficiently and
everything like that, fix anylittle things, and did it.
Guy came in he goes how old'sthis furnace?
And we figure it's probablywell over 15 years, which is
sort of you know, 15 to 20 yearsis the lifespan.

(04:32):
We're not exactly sure.
It might even be older than 20years.
And then he basically said yeah, it's, it's not leaking carbon
dioxide yet, but there's rustholes.
That it like gave the wholeexplanation.
He says I have to red it.
Red tagging means not allowedto run, it needs to shut off the
gas.
And anyway, he said somebodyfrom the office will talk to you
Within two hours.

(04:52):
I had a guy come in, show usall the new features and then
literally half hour later signedoff and everything and he says
the technician will be theretomorrow morning.
So we were one night without afurnace.
It really wasn't that cold, sonot a big deal.
And then probably bymid-afternoon we had our new
furnace installed up and running, all wired in, all good to go.

(05:13):
It was a blur.
But it's homeowners, that'swhat you got to do.

Ulrikke (05:20):
And also, I don't mean to be kind of poking your little
adventure here, but isn't thata fantastic business model?
It's like he couldn't have toldyou this six months ago when he
was there looking at the thing.
And then also they're like oh,you know what, shoot, we don't
have a lot of things going onthis week.
How can we generate some morethings to do?

(05:41):
You know what I'll do the nextweek.
I'm, I'm out, I'll actually redtag all the things that are,
you know, above 15 years and andwhat do you know, the week
filled out.
Maybe that's what we do, right?
So we're going out and we'redoing all this assessment work
and we go.
Actually, I'm sorry, your priorplatform is now, uh, like you
can't, you're not allowed to runit anymore.
I have to red tag it.

(06:01):
And then, um, if you, you know,if you need some work done, let
me know and I'll hook you up.
And then there you go, week isfull exactly.

Nick (06:10):
Let's check your flows, let's check a few things.
Oh yeah, you know this oh, I'msorry.

Ulrikke (06:15):
I have to shut this off now.
I can't use it anymore.
So yeah and you know.
If you need any guidance on howto fix it, just let me know and
I'll hook you up with someone.

Nick (06:24):
Yeah, for sure, it's one of those things.
It was to be expected at somepoint, like I think I just knew.
Okay, the furnace is going togo in the next couple of years.
This has been on my mind, so itis because it is the lifespan
and stuff like that.
But I mean it is a goodbusiness model because it was a
slow time of year for them.

Ulrikke (06:41):
There's a slow time of year for them and yeah, they got
it, yeah, and then whenever youspent that amount of money and
afterwards you say, well, it'sall kind of a blur, it's also an
indication that it may havehappened a tiny bit too fast,
but that's if you don't worryabout it.
So, speaking of platform andshutting things down, let's move
on to the news and updates,because there are a few this

(07:03):
week as well.

Nick (07:04):
Yeah, and think about segue.
So because we have the segue,I'm going to jump actually.
Uh, because you talk aboutmaintenance and things that we
expect will work, um, that justshould be fine.

Ulrikke (07:16):
And you found this article on managed availability,
so this you want to say all theway to the bottom oh, that's
completely fine, right?
So this is one of those thingswhere I hold your horses, people
, I'm going to go on a rant.
No, manage availability Right.
So it's on the power apps listof new features coming out.

(07:37):
It's so short, it's production.
Workloads in Azure aresynchronously replicated across
multiple independent datacenters within a region,
ensuring zero data loss andrapid failover with minimal
service disruption in case offailure.

(07:59):
And then you and I went sorry,what, yeah, is this new?
Because I'm sorry.
I thought it sorry.
What, yeah, is this new?
Because I'm sorry, I thought italready did that.
Yes, so the news is that nowyou have backup and it will
automatically backup and moveyour things to different data
centers within your region sothat you have almost zero

(08:20):
downtime.
Oh, I thought, like I said, italready does that.
The news, I think, is that theyput ai in charge of it.
So and this is what one of theheadlines in the article reads
build confidence with automatedbackups and self-serve disaster.

(08:40):
No, that does not buildconfidence at all, actually, and
it has something along thelines of it will self-fix.
So they put an agent in chargeof your.
Yeah, I'm going to stop nowbecause it's probably a very
good update and fantastic newcapability.

(09:03):
So introducing managedavailability for proud platform
people Yay.

Nick (09:08):
Yeah, you can check it out and see how confident you are.
And it's interesting, I'm goingto talk about something a
little fun.
So this is like what we'rehoping to do later this year at
some point is actually, do wewant to do this last year we
didn't happen but is to do alive boost recording at some
point.
And what we're going to do iswe're going to hand out these

(09:28):
and these are a boost bingo,boost bingo card and things are,
and already I've got two thismorning.
So Erica goes on a rant andthen also we express trust
issues with AI.
So it's things like this thatwe'll go through.
And this idea came from my wife,bridget Mou.
So Bridget came up with thisidea.

(09:50):
She said you know what you guysshould do, like she says I
don't listen to your podcast,but you should do like a bingo
card for all these little things.
So I made up this bingo cardand she actually found it kind
of funny.
And it was funny because shelooked at certain things on the
bingo card.
Like it's like oh, does thishappen or does this happen?

Ulrikke (10:05):
Like yeah, so anyways, so you know how, the last few
episodes, I've been trying toget Bridge to listen to our
podcast.
This is how it ended Not onlywill she not listen, she'll make
fun of us.
That's fantastic.
Thanks, bridge.
Okay so yes.

(10:27):
Okay so yes.
Bingo chart.
There's a lot of fun stuff inthere and I'm sure we'll check
all of those boxes by the end ofit.
Pretty much Moving on othernews and updates.
Well, it's not really news, butI have something I need to
follow up from last time,because we talked about the
PowerPages table permissions forweb APIs last time and how it

(10:49):
was kind of in the middle offiguring something out for one
of our projects.
Now I was diving more into itand it seems that the web API
permissions follow the logged-inuser's table permissions.
So if the logged in user hascreated access to something
through a table permission andthey're logged into the portal,
they trigger the web API.
The web API will simply followthat same permission for

(11:15):
PowerPages.
Specifically, of course andthis is it's not new, but it's
probably I started working withthe web API before it was
publicly available, so of course, I have learned stuff that I
still think is true that hasbeen changed since, Because the

(11:35):
things that were in place thenyou had to have special table
permissions set up for the webAPI.
So it's probably not new, butif there's anyone out there that
has worked with this for toolong and haven't updated their
knowledge about it, then this isvery valuable to know.
Yeah, and then I saw somethingthat was very fun from Tino.

(11:55):
Tino made like a two minutevideo about how he put company
logos on PowerPages by using acompany logo API and I thought
that was kind of cool because hehad a use case where he had
supplier portal.
So imagine you have a businessand you have like a thousand
suppliers and they log into yourportal, want to see their

(12:17):
latest orders and the differentproducts that they can sell and
buy.
Then they can now see theirlogo on the PowerPages site by
using this API.
So it was a small little thing,but I think it's going to bring
value to someone.
I didn't know about it, sosharing is caring.

Nick (12:34):
Yeah, yeah, no, that'd be really cool.
Actually, I can think of.
I know a couple of projectsthat I do have like that I
worked in assisted with.
Like they have suppliers andpartners logging in, so they
yeah, that's really cool.

Ulrikke (12:42):
And you saw something else regarding PowerPages and
Advent Portal the ugly, Angularthing that we had back in the
day that no one touches.
Is that what you mean?

Nick (12:55):
Well, you know what?
I don't because guess what andthis is something.
This has actually been outsince February, I think.
But of course we admittedlywere not big in customer
insights and journeys.
I mean, we've touched on itwith our project, but we're not
dive deep like a lot of it.
But our good friend MalinMartinez, Malin, malin Martinez.

(13:18):
Yep, yep.
She talks about the eventportal enhancements and that was
a big release in the February,february release of Customer
Insights and Journeys.
It's using Power Pages as theevent portal and she went
through on her blog it's reallygood breaking down the template
and how to set it up, how to setup the event portal,
registration pages, all of thisstuff, which is really cool

(13:42):
because this is something wesaid from the.
This is very odd when the eventportal came out.
So here's PowerPages, or atthat time it's PowerApps portals
, here's all your templates andhere's the portal that comes
with Dynamics at the time,marketing, and it's written in
Angular and it's this wholeAngular website.
And it was odd for a couple ofreasons.

(14:02):
First off, why wasn't this donein PowerPages?
And yes, at the time,powerpages didn't have the web
API to do certain things thatyou'd probably want done in an
event portal, so that wouldactually mean a lot of extra
customization, which I've donein other projects to address
those issues at that time.
But then, but then the secondquestion was like, okay, that's,
it's not done in PowerPages.

(14:23):
That's weird, why not?
Why not?
And then the second one isAngular, which is weird again
because Microsoft doesn't reallyuse Angular anywhere else that
I'm aware of.
I get the fact that you can takethis Angular website and inject
it in a current CMS If you'renot using PowerPages.
If you're using PowerPages, youcould inject it there as well,

(14:44):
but that was, I found, veryclunky.
So finally they got away andfinally, and I think PowerPages
has now evolved to the pointwhere they're able to build the
event portal completely withinPowerPage, which is great,
because that way it just makesit easier in terms of the
learning, the technology, yourknowledge base.

(15:05):
Now, like folks like us, cancome in and actually help from
the customer insights andjourney on the on the power
pages side, because we can takethat knowledge and apply it, or
vice versa, and just sort of,again it's again.
It's another case of the storyeverything better together so
100.

Ulrikke (15:17):
And also she showcases um.
She uses Nordic Summit as theexample in her blog post.
So a quick shout out to NordicSummit, which is in September.
Call for Speakers is now open.
So if you want to submit yoursession for a workshop or a
session at Nordic Summit thisfall, you make sure to do that
now.

Nick (15:35):
Yep, and I got one workshop I've submitted already
and I'm working together with amentee because there's a
mentorship program as well, andit's great because we're
bouncing ideas off each otherand I've sort of again letting

(15:56):
my mentee kind of drive the carbut I'm sort of in the passenger
seat saying, well, let's trytogether and really, and thanks
to the organizing committee,which I know you're a part of,
for putting that mentorshipprogram together, because that
allows new speakers to come intoour community and, you know,
get them in front of, you knowdelivering sessions and things
like that.
So yeah, exciting times.

Ulrikke (16:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of fun.
Sarah Lagerquist and I arerunning a point on the
mentorship program and it's somuch fun to match people
together and to see how they geton.
And also I've been mentoring afew people myself and it's so
rewarding.
And also it's fun to seebecause we get people in that
want to be part of the mentorprogram as a mentee, that are

(16:35):
MVPs or have a lot of speakingexperience from before but they
don't know our community orthey've done a lot of speaking
experience from before that theydon't know our community, or
they come in from they've done alot of blogging.
That's why they're mvps andthey want to get into speaking.
So it's not just for new peopleto the community, it's also
senior people that haven't kindof dove into the session stuff
and presentation yet.

(16:55):
So it it's uh, it's anyone'sgame really and so rewarding, so
so much fun and thank you forbeing part of it.
We really.
It's so rewarding, so much funand thank you for being part of
it.
We really do appreciate it.

Nick (17:04):
Oh my pleasure.

Ulrikke (17:07):
Right, so moving on, I've had my rant, so let's make
some room for someone else'srant.
Let's move on to the visualvisualize with copilot.
So one of the the most amazingthings I the one of the things I
like to do when I demo powerplatform or, and especially,

(17:28):
model driven apps to people isto show them the visualize in
power bi button that you getfrom a model driven app.
That kind of takes all your thedata you see on your list and
then transform that into a PowerBI report like that.
It's so much fun.
Now there's a new kid on theblock.
It's a new button calledVisualize with Copilot.

(17:51):
Is it the same feature asVisualize with Power BI, but
with Copilot?
It says that it will instantlytransform your business data
into a meaningful andinteractive chart, and it's from
the Power Apps feature updatefor February.
Actually, now we both have thisitem on our list, but we found

(18:16):
slightly different approaches tothe thing.
So you want to go first or youwant me to go first.

Nick (18:24):
Yeah.
So for those of you who've beenin the community for a long
time for many years, probablyeverybody who works or has
worked with charts like when Italk about charts there's, of
course, power Platform.
There's five different ways tocreate a chart.
You know you can do SQL serveand you can create them in SQL
server reporting services, whichis a bigger discussion for

(18:44):
another day.
Of course there's Power BI.
Of course, within Canvas apps,there's little chart controls,
but there is from the old I'dsay the old, the classic or
legacy CRM days.
There is the ability to addcharts to views into dashboards,
and that's been around sinceCRM for 2011 days.

Ulrikke (19:03):
And it's.

Nick (19:04):
You know it evolved quite a bit for a while, but then, in
lieu of going to Power BI,that's sort of where Power BI
was the new exciting kid on theblock, so that's sort of where a
lot of this stuff was beingpushed to.
And again, power BI.
That's what it does Charts,dashboards and all this other
stuff.
But the built-in charts in themodel-driven app actually are

(19:24):
very sufficient for a lot of usecases, and I've done charts for
different organizations andthey just absolutely love the
fact they can log in, they cansee a dashboard, they can see
how many people signed up for anevent or how many people are
registered for a particularsubsidy program and things like
that, and then from there youcan drill down into the records
and everything like that.
So, yes, classic technology,but very valuable.

(19:46):
Again, people love visuals, sonow they have this.
So, of course, if you'reworking with charts and you need
to go to the community tofigure out things or to do a few
special things, one of the toppeople in the community was
Ulrich from Denmark, ulrichCarlson.
He's in the US now, but he isknown as the CRM chart guy.

(20:08):
He blogged and did a lot ofcontent.
He even has some XRM toolboxtools on building or managing
charts.
And he was like if you had anyquestions with charts, you just
ping Ulrich and like withinseconds he'd, oh, do it this way
, do it this way.
He just always had the answer.
So he actually and sorry,ulrich, I'm saying this without
permission, but I think you'llbe okay he quoted and I quote

(20:30):
here he said finally tried outthe new Copilot chart visualize
feature.
It cannot have multipleaggregates, no secondary
Y-access, no using fields fromparent tables, can only use
fields from current view, can'tfilter view after drill down,
can't save, can't share breaksif you ask for a field not in

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current table and, the worstpart, it removes access to
current charts.
Do not enable and rant.
And then, even when you enableit, yeah, you're sort of stuck.
So he kind of that was hisreaction to it.
Now, of course, we've talkedabout this before.
A lot of these AI featuresthey're kind of version one or
version 0.999, but they arebeing aggressively pushed.

(21:14):
I think we also have a linkfrom Jukka Nurnen from Finland.
For those of you who don't knowJukka everybody knows who Jukka
is.
He posted his opinion on things.
Making sense of the dataexpiration agent Also is a very
good read on the current stateof this new tool and his

(21:37):
opinions, and I think you foundanother link from someone who we
talked about last time.
Joran, correct?
Yeah?

Ulrikke (21:45):
Yes.
So Joran Schepper has a bit ofa different take on it.
I think his summary is the same, but he has more of a.
Okay, so let's compare the two.
So the classic you can save yourcharts, you can share, you can
use it in dashboards.
You can have different, moretypes of charts are available.
You have more control over thegenerated output.

(22:08):
So that's kind of the classicexperience.
And then the co-pilot experience.
Of course it is an improveduser interface.
It feels more modern.
You're able to generate chartswhere there are no charts
available for a specific table.
You can create a copy of thechart as a PNG and put it on the
clipboard for you to pasteother places, and then you can

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generate an AI description viathe explain function.
But also, you cannot have both.
If you enable this new co-pilotexperience, you disable the
original, the classic experience.
Now, is that a valuable thingto do now?
I guess, from what we've seenso far, don't flip the switch

(22:49):
yet.
Maybe explore it in a sandboxenvironment until it's good
enough for you to kind of enableit in a production scenario.
But this is something thatisn't fully baked, but it's a
fantastic new thing.
Right, you can, and and it kindof brings associations to
project to feel a little bit,because that's also creating a
user interface on top of datathat allows you to visualize and

(23:11):
ask questions and and kind ofdive into data from a not power
bi, but same kind of of point ofview where you explore data and
charts and stuff, so kind ofsame, but not so.
Yeah, definitely check it outand play with it, but it doesn't
seem like it's production readyyet.

Nick (23:32):
Yeah, it's just unfortunate, because I think the
fact that you have to pick oneover the other I think that's
probably the biggest issue thatwe're seeing with this Like,
yeah, it's great, we should betrying out these new tools.
But even there was some otherposts that I think we talked
about maybe last week or maybe Ijust saw that I didn't have
here on the list about goingback to the classic experience

(23:54):
within Dataverse andmodel-driven apps.
I found this week I had to goback If that had to be shut off
versus one versus the other.
That makes things very, verydifficult to try to move forward
with some of these tools.
And then what happens is thenno one will use the new tool
because they're like well, wedon't want to lose access to the
old one, and so the new tooldoesn't get the ability to

(24:15):
provide that feedback on okay,here's what's wrong here, to
provide that feedback on okay,here's what's wrong, here's what
needs to be fixed.
So I think this is something.
If there's any kind of feedbackfrom Microsoft, yeah, keep
building these new tools, butdon't take away our old thing to
give us the new thing, because,you know, for these reasons,
yeah, but I also get it right.

Ulrikke (24:36):
It's hard to kind of do both.
That split and that userinterface is hard.
You want to split from one tothe other.
So I think it makes sense tohave this in a sandbox or a
development environment untilit's ready for you to go public
with.
And, of course, they're lookingfor feedback.
So if you enable this in yoursandbox environment, you play
with it and you find that it'snot sufficient, maybe give that

(24:58):
feedback back to Microsoft andsay, okay, this is fantastic, I
love the new interface, butthese things need to be fixed
until I can start using it.
Please give me feedback whenyou've done that, so that I can
go in and check again, becausethey are looking for feedback
and that's why they're pushingthese features so quickly.
It's for us to give thatfeedback too, and it's also a
very agile way of approaching umapplication development, the

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same thing we do with ourcustomers.
You want to give them somethingquick and early and for them to
give you the feedback, so youdon't spend time developing
something someone doesn't wantand just focus on the thing that
people actually do want.
So I am in two minds about this,to be honest.
Um, let's move on to otherco-pilot things.
So I found so we've talkedabout femke clandestine before

(25:45):
and she is so hot.
Uh, right now on linkedin, Icannot um go into my linkedin
feed without seeing a new postfrom femke and her stuff is
incredible.
For instance, one of our latestarticles was about she says I
get prompted maybe two or threetimes each day people asking me

(26:06):
where do I start if I want tostart learning about Co-Pilot
Studio.
So she made a list of theresources that she liked and
favored.
So this is kind of hercurriculum to go through if you
want to dive in and learncopilot studio.
And I share that with all mycolleagues and all the people
coming in because I get the samequestion and this is a

(26:26):
fantastic resource to just share.
So thank you, famke.
But also one of her older blogposts I think that was last week
she talks about how she'sprobably made this post, even
with ai.
Yeah, so it was a post whereshe actually just said I don't
have any AI shame.
I use AI for everything andalso in my social media posts.

(26:47):
So she has a post on LinkedInexplaining how she uses AI to
create the majority of hersocial media posts right now and
I actually love that.
You know no AI shame, becausethere's so much AI shame
involved and I see blog postswhere they go.
Some of this has been createdwith AI and you see, in the
release notes you always have tokind of put in if you use AI

(27:09):
for something, and of course weall do so.
I'm just kind of asking, whendoes it become ubiquitous, where
we don't have to say thatanymore because everything is AI
at some point?

Nick (27:22):
so well, interesting yeah, it is interesting because I
know I did a.
I was on a webinar a month ortwo ago that was put on by Donna
Sarkar and she said somethingabout.
Someone asked that veryquestion like at what point do
we, you know, or should weactually say this is AI
generated or not AI generated?
And you see both those tags andshe said, yeah, but do you put

(27:44):
in a document?
Oh, by the way, I usespellcheck on this document.
You don't right, it's justassumed that you'll use it and I
think we also are assuming thatwe're using AI for a lot of
things.
Now, that's interesting.
You talk about like a no AIshame, which is great, but if I
look at like one of Femke'sposts and I have it right up
here in front of me it's veryreadable.
You could tell she's curated orit's actually being written in

(28:07):
her voice or the voice that sheis very consistent with on
LinkedIn, and I have met her inperson and it is consistent from
my impression of her and justchatting with her one-on-one.
So it doesn't have that.
I think there's something thatwe have to watch out for.
It's lazy AI and you see thison LinkedIn all the time and

(28:27):
that stuff drives me crazy.
Well, you can tell someone isjust put in a prompt into
Copilot or ChatGPT, it spit outsomething, cut paste, post, walk
away.
You look at me, I postedsomething, that stuff.
You can tell that stuff drivesme crazy.
It's yes, use AI properly, whichI think she's doing.
She has a format, she has avoice, she has a skill, she's

(28:49):
consistent.
That takes effort to use AI asa tool properly, versus the just
let AI regurgitate or spit outstuff.
So I think there's a subtle,not even a subtle difference
properly versus the just let AIregurgitate or spit out stuff.
So I think there's a subtle,not even a subtle difference.
There's definitely a differencethere.
So I think I like that.
No AI shame.
But also it's like there shouldbe no, also no lazy AI, I guess

(29:13):
.

Ulrikke (29:13):
Yeah, no, I agree, and that was the premise of her post
as well.
So she taught you know what, ifCopilot can capture my style of
voice, how can Copilot helpstructure my scattered thoughts,
and what can I get inspired bywithout losing my authenticity?
So I think you know, askingthose kinds of questions is very
smart as well.

(29:34):
And then that separates youfrom the other thing, and I love
that.
What you just said that you gotfrom from um, from Donna's
webinar uh, Donna and Jeremiah,because, yeah, if you put
something that is just AI outthere, then that's one thing,
but you always make sure youread through it, right, cause
it's your words, you'republishing it as your own.
Then is it Copilot anymore?

(29:55):
I don't know.
Yeah, no, I agree.
Uh, let's.
Uh, I like that.
No, zero AI, shame.
Let's go for it, come on.

Nick (30:02):
Yeah, and no lazy AI, but zero shame.

Ulrikke (30:06):
No lazy AI, no lazy AI.
Okay, I think we found ourepisode title Yep.
So, moving on to other things,data versus platform, alm
platform I can't even writeplatform.

Nick (30:21):
Matthew Devaney, I'll check, if one don't exist.

Ulrikke (30:25):
Sorry, let me just fix that.
I'll just hover over it andplatform.
There you go, Funny, funny,Okay.
So Matthew Devaney is reallydiving into ALM now and it's
fantastic.
He has one blog post which isthe Complete Power Platform
Pipelines ALM Setup Guide.
It is kind of it is probablyexactly the same thing as

(30:48):
Benedict's book, I don't knowbut I love that.
It's a comprehensive guide.
You can download the PDF and hehas a whole series of blog
posts and it's still in theworks.
So he has a few blog posts to gobefore it's complete.
But one of them is platformpipelines delegated using a
service principle, which issomething I've been diving into
this year as well and it's verypowerful and it's also a best

(31:09):
practice.
When you're moving solutionsfrom environment to environment,
make sure they have a serviceprinciple that is running the
pipeline, but that you alsoshare your connection references
with it.
That you share your connectionswith it and that you're
actually making it a cohesivething means you're not reliant
on any service users nodeveloper, user access.

(31:31):
So it's definitely a good placeto start in a good practice to
have.
And then Matthew Devaney's blogpost is a great place to start
if you want to look into it, sodefinitely worth checking out.

Nick (31:45):
Yeah, and I think he's continuing to build on it,
because I saw that he hadanother post this morning.
I'm on his newsletter emailsand there was another post
coming through.
So, like everything, thiscontent continues to evolve and,
yeah, it's great, it's um powerplatform pipelines.
I have a love hate relationship, as you know, with them.
Um, we've been using them a lotand, yeah, when they, when

(32:08):
their work, they're great.
When they they don't, then it'skind of like pulling my hair
out a little bit.
It's like I hate.
You know, like even over theweekend I ran, ran it and it
kind of gave me big error, likeoh, it failed.
And then I look at the solutionhistory and like, no, it and it
kind of gave me a big error,like, oh, it failed.
And then I look at the solutionhistory and like no, it
imported fine.
Just, you know little things.
But again, this is it willevolve, right.

Ulrikke (32:26):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's new as well.
I know we didn't see that lastyear and it's new, so it's
evolving in kind of the wrongdirection a little bit, but it

(32:46):
to manage it.
Now it's okay.
And I wanted just to saysomething that I forgot.
I was supposed to put a link inhere.
I saw and this is a tangent, butI saw from linkedin we get the
the uh kind of the who's who ourcompetitors are on linkedin.
And then I saw something calledthe power platform magazine,
talk about your newsletters.
And I was like, wow, there's apower platform magazine.
How did I not know about that?
And I go in and I say, well, itit's 80 newsletters already,
wow.
And I open it up and it's allin Spanish.
And then I translate it andthen I open up the different

(33:08):
links because I thought surelyyou know there's information
here that I've been losing out.
There's so much content here,awesome content, but every
single blog post is in Spanishand every single YouTube video
is in Spanish.
I don't speak Spanish, but thenit suddenly occurred to me you
know, the translation thing thatyou're using a lot in our
project actually now unlocks awhole new universe for me.

(33:29):
Actually, I can now get contentfrom a newsletter that before I
wouldn't never have been ableto access and I absolutely love
it.
So next time I'm sure we'regoing to have some links from
content that I've discovered inthe Spanish, because it was
fantastic, because you couldactually see the same kind of
personas that we have just inthe Spanish world.

(33:52):
Probably you could just takeour whole community and it's
just a complete replica in thisin spanish world.
It's not fantastic.
I kind of had this matrixexperience where I went there's
yuka, then there's nick andthere's matthew, there's all
these crazy people just in thespanish realm fantastic so our

(34:13):
spanish counterparts, yeah itjust blew my mind.
I was like where am I?
Am I in here?
Maybe I'll find myself just aspanish version of myself?
It's not spanish, but spanishspeaking.
You know what I mean I'mprobably offending a million
people on this little tangent.
I'm sorry, I don't mean any.
I'm really a good person, Ipromise.

Nick (34:32):
No, it's good because this is, this is about like exposing
, like exposing the community,like it's funny, because I found
when I went and spoke in Parisin the fall, it's like, oh, wow,
there's a, like there's a wholeother very thriving French
community around power platformas well.
Um, so, yeah, shut it down,like, um, chloe and Alan and our
friends in the French communityand everything you do too, it's

(34:54):
it's amazing.
Um, friends in the frenchcommunity and everything you do
too, it's it's amazing.
Um, but we see the contents infrench, which I can read a
little bit, but it's just still.
It's uh, yeah, and and the great, with all these tools, it
really makes the world more of akind of a global village, in a
sense, and how we can share thisstuff.
So, yeah, whatever language youproduce content and don't.
And I guess another thing todrill down on too is there's uh,

(35:16):
you don't have to put contentout in english if your first
language is german, do germancontent.
We know we have our friendsmatts and pauline and bjorn.
We have there's a whole germancommunity as well.

Ulrikke (35:27):
Uh, out there, um, yeah , so, and norwegian, of course,
and with the yeah, yeah, andwith the translation
capabilities who have now,because I remember having this
discussion with a colleague ofmine back in the day when I
started blogging.
I was like, so do I blog undermy own name or my company, or
Norwegian or English?
What do I do?
And he's like go on your ownblog and write in English,

(35:48):
because anything else is justnarrowing down.
You should be as open as reachas many people as you want, but
of course today it's kind ofunnecessary.
Maybe it's now finally at thepoint where we can write in our
native language and anyone canconsume it, because the
translation capabilities outthere in the tools that we use
have become so great.
So, and I'm better atexpressing myself in Norwegian

(36:12):
than I am in English, of course,because of my native language.
So that means I'm probably abetter communicator if I can now
write in Norwegian instead ofEnglish.
And also I do have Norwegiancontent out there.
So, for instance, I do aPowerPages-specific meetup every
quarter called Portal Lunch,which is in Norwegian, it's not

(36:33):
recorded and it's just live overlunch where we talk about the
latest things.
We have one upcoming inNorwegian.
It's not recorded and it's foryou know, it's just live over
lunch where we talk about thelatest things.
We have one upcoming in May, soif that's for you and you speak
Norwegian or you want to hangaround and do the live
translation in Teams, thenyou're welcome to join.

Nick (36:49):
I should do that.
I should do that next time tosee how well.

Ulrikke (36:52):
I can.
Yeah, give it a go.
Yeah for sure?
Do you think it's going totranslate?
Can you translate your voiceback?
So if you speak English, I'mjust going to translate.
I can't wait to hear what yousound like in Norwegian.

Nick (37:04):
That would be so much fun.
Yeah, well, I know that theyshowed stuff I don't know.
I think we talked about thisbefore.
At Ignite they showed Teamswhere they had a Teams meeting,
where they were doing the livetranslation.
At Ignite, they showed Teamswhere they had a Teams meeting,
where they were doing the livetranslation.
That to me, was a little toodeepfake.
That may be a littleuncomfortable, but if it's
something where again, if weknow it's AI, if I speak and if

(37:26):
I say something that comesacross in Norwegian, yeah, you
never know.

Ulrikke (37:30):
Oh, please, it's going to be so much fun, we're going
to record it and I'm just goingto record it.
Um and um, I'm just gonna check.
Yeah, so next item we don'thave.
We don't have a lot of timeleft.
I want to talk about thepowerful devs hack.
How's it going?
Because you're a judge, haveyou seen anything awesome yet?

Nick (37:47):
oh, I saw it.
Oh, tons of awesome things.
Uh, so it's actually it's done.
Uh, there's, there's.
Sessions have been submitted.
The judging ended last week.
They are announcing, on March25th, I believe, who the winners
are.
And I have no idea who thewinners are.
I just know I was given a chunkof different things to evaluate

(38:08):
and I went through and a coupleand actually we're going to put
the link in the show notes.
It's to a GitHub so you can seethe submissions, you can
download the code, you can watchthe videos of the
demonstrations and theparticipants explaining what
they built.
There were some things that Isaw that were like, okay, I'm
not sure I would have submittedthat in the end, but there was a

(38:30):
lot of amazing things that Isaw, and again, I don't want to.
I mean there's literally, Ididn't see them all.
I saw the chunk that I wassupposed Um, and again I don't
want to.
I mean there's, there's,literally, I didn't see them all
.
I saw the chunk that I wassupposed to judge, plus a few
others, but there's just so manygreat ones there.
One that really stood out to mewas using which I, which I
thought was a really great idea.
It was using co-pilot to helpwith food banks.
So we all know in Canada it's abig deal, um, where you know

(38:53):
you, you know there's alwaysholidays to do a food bank drive
or in the grocery stores todonate to the food bank.
But of course, you have no ideawhat these food banks are
saying Well, we need this or weneed that, we need certain items
.
At the end of the day, actuallydonating money to a lot of food
banks helps as well, becausethey can actually aggregate, buy
and everything like that.

(39:13):
But this co-pilot went outsaying, hey, I want to donate to
a food bank.
It would go out, ask, promptyou for a postal code and then
you would find all the localfood banks and then it would
begin to summarize from thelocal food banks what items
they're really looking for, whatthey're in most need of.
So that kind of helps you.
If you want to give, what youcan plan, and then even it would

(39:35):
generate a shopping list foryou uh, how much these items are
going to cost things like that.
So to me this was like yeah,this is, um, these are the types
of things this is using ai forgood.
It's helping people out.
So there was a few otherexamples of using ai for good.
Uh, that wasn't part of thecriteria of the hackathon, but
it was still.

(39:56):
I think these are the types ofthings if you're submitting to a
hackathon have it relate to, toreal things, um and uh, that
that's sort of uh, yeah, um, andI know that, uh, like you know
with, uh, there's otherhackathons out there as well uh,
that you do, like you know,acdc, of course.
And I would sort of say, if youhave the opportunity to

(40:17):
participate in a hackathon, gofor it.
Just from a learningperspective, I'm, I'm, I need to
learn with a project.
Hackathon gives you a goodproject and for me I would like.
Last year, not this past yearat ACDC, the year before, I dove
deep into canvas apps.
It was a new thing for me inpower effects and I just learned
so much over the course ofthose two days or three days,
whatever it was.

Ulrikke (40:38):
So again, yeah, exciting stuff yeah and uh
you're getting a tattoo yeah,yeah, speaking of um, charity
events and workshops, uh, colorchallenge, oh sorry, oh sorry.
Um the the ColourCloud colourchallenge.
Last year we all got our haircoloured and a lot of people are

(41:02):
doing that this year as well.
And, of course, last year Ipromised Mats that I would get
the ColourCloud tattoo.
So of course now I'm part ofthe colour challenge for the
charity event and if we raiseenough money, I'm going to get
the color cloud tattoo.
So a logo as a tattoo.

(41:24):
So I'm going to share somelinks to that in the show notes
and please go in and donate.
Like last time, all theparticipants have chosen their
own specific charity that theywant to raise money for and
there's a certain threshold thatthey want to raise money for
and there's a certain thresholdthat you want to get in order to
get those um, the money, umdonated for that charity.
So please go in and donate ifyou can go into a good cause and

(41:45):
it's a lot of fun.
You get to see a lot of colorfulheads at color cloud in Hamburg
in April.
Um, and also there's a wemissed the news item Um, the
powerat tools.
I just want to mention itbecause it was one of those
things where you read somethingand you go AI-generated solution
documentation.

Nick (42:05):
Yes, yes please.

Ulrikke (42:06):
When can I have it?
Yes, yes, yes, yes, please.
So the PowerCat tools had arefresh and now you get code
review, ai-generated solutiondocumentation, risk management,
api playground and pluginmonitoring and all that jazz.
If this is something thatyou're interested in and I can't
believe if you're not then gocheck out the new PowerCat tools

(42:27):
.

Nick (42:28):
We put links in the show notes for that I'm going to
definitely be running that AIsolution documentation very soon
on some things.
Just give it a good run yeah,yeah, yeah, that's so fun.

Ulrikke (42:41):
And also we have some sad news.
Yeah, um, if that's a bummer, Iknow I know.
So a few months back I went onthe zero at the spring zero
podcast with john and mike andwe had a blast.
It was so much fun.
We tried on different hats.
Darth and we had a blast.
It was so much fun.
We tried on different hats.
Darth Vader we had a visit fromDarth Vader.
It was just, we were justgoofing around but also talking

(43:03):
about a lot of deep stuff andalso a lot of techie stuff.
So if you're, if you want someeasy listening while you're
doing something else gardening,for instance and you're finished
with this episode, then go onover to Sprint Zero and check
out our conversation that we hadthere.
And then they released thatepisode and they kind of yeah,
we're doing the video thing now,it's going to be so much fun.

(43:25):
And then they told us thatthey're going to not continue to
do the Sprint Zero podcastanymore.
That was a bummer, but we uh,but we know we appreciate how
hard it is to find timesometimes to do a podcast and it
is uh, it is hard work, uh, andyou've had so many amazing

(43:47):
episodes, already talked to somany great people, and from the
conversations you've had, I'velearned to know um the people in
our community better.
So, john and mike, thank you somuch from the bottom of our
hearts for all the hard work youdid so far and looking forward
to your next.
Uh, seeing what you're gonna beup to next and uh, yeah, uh,

(44:09):
thank you yeah for sure.

Nick (44:10):
uh, I mean it was, I was, I listened to your episode while
I was at the gym, actually justrolling my eyes, giggling,
whatever else, um, and then, butyeah, then I heard they were
like, yeah, and I was on likelast year at some point with
those guys and I mean they're ariot, I mean two great guys and
they know, no matter podcast ornot, great guys regardless.
Um, and yeah, sad to see that,but I totally get it, especially

(44:32):
trying to organize, um,organize, uh, guests and stuff
like that.
That's the reason why we don'tdo it, because just to get our
schedules to light up, sometimesit's crazy.
Yep, so I totally get the hardwork.
Thanks for what you've done.
I mean your back catalog, Ithink, is still great for
posterity.
It's still going to beavailable.
So definitely listen through,get to know the people in the

(44:53):
community and, yeah, and, like Isaid, good luck and I'm sure
you guys will do amazing things.
Just keep going, whatever.

Ulrikke (45:02):
Yeah, definitely.
Do you want to do a quick runof the events that we're doing,
because you have a big onecoming up this weekend, don't
you?

Nick (45:09):
Yeah, so Canadian Power Platform Summit.
So I think we're releasing thison Wednesday.
Today's the day to register,because we have to have those
names in because it's at aMicrosoft office, so ppboost15.

Ulrikke (45:22):
Look at your face, so stern, it's like really telling
people off.
If you want to get in, you haveto get your ticket.
No.

Nick (45:29):
I had to escort someone out last year because they
didn't have a ticket, yeah, soit's max capacity.
Yeah, it is what it is, ofcourse, uh, and then, yeah, so
there's that, uh, and then atthe end of, and then after that,
it's mvp summit, which we can'treally talk about, uh, too much
um no, but we're gonna be busy,but you know, um, the boost

(45:52):
will still roll as usual.

Ulrikke (45:54):
Uh, color cloud.
In the end of April I'm doingmy workshop and my session with
Andy Wingate.
It's going to be a lot of fun.

Nick (46:01):
And then you have In mid-May, so DynamicsCon
happening in Chicago.
I have two sessions.
One's a crash course in PowerPlatform Pipelines, so, matthew,
I'm probably going to stealsome of your content for that,
incorporate, of course, my ownTalk about the good and the bad
about pipelines.
I do also have a session withhad it really with Angeliki, but

(46:22):
she's actually not cominganymore, so I think I might have
a surprise guest who's helpingme out on that.
We're finalizing that onmodel-driven apps and power
pages.
And then, following that, powerSummit in the UK.
Are you coming to that?
Or we haven't decided yet, oryou know yet?

Ulrikke (46:43):
oh yeah, yeah, I'm coming.
It's just when I saw that Ithought, yeah, so which session
is it that I'm doing and I can'tremember okay, so that's may
24th in london, um, and that'sjust.
Oh, yeah, that's my birthdayactually, so London and that's
just sort of oh yeah, that's mybirthday actually, so I can't
wait.
I'm going to spend the day mybirthday in London with all you
guys, you crazy, crazy guys, andit's going to be a lot of fun.

(47:04):
And I think it's the StylingPower Pages one, actually, that
I'm doing.

Nick (47:07):
Yeah, I think so as well.
Yeah, that should be fun.
Yeah, dynamics, minds, uh,happening may.
The week after that, that's inslovenia I have a session on
burnout, powerlifting and mentalhealth.
Would be interesting becausethere'll be the week before I
will be at the world bench presschampionship, so hopefully I'll

(47:28):
have happy news at that.
Um, yes, yes, yes, portals cagematch with matt and george.
And then, uh, three weeks, twoweeks later, after that european
power platform conference, uh,again doing the top gun thing
with you and victor.
Um, and we're doing our, ourtop 10 tips and tricks, as well

(47:48):
as a session.
And I'm also doing my powerpages.
Crash, crash course, theco-pilot edition.
So how, using power pages tocreate sites and things like
that?
Crash course, the co-pilotedition.
So how, using PowerPages tocreate sites and things like
that?

Ulrikke (48:02):
You probably have a discount code as well, but I
found mine.
Mine's Nick10 for a 10%discount.
Wow, good for you.
It's always an internalcompetition who gets the most
discounts?
So let's just push all of it toyou and I hope you win.
Usually, it's Vlad who wins it.
Well, vlad or Matthew is one ofthe two.
So let's just everyone justpour everything they have and
use Nick10 for 10% discount atEPPC.
That's 16th to 18th of June.

(48:25):
Yeah, and maybe, if stars align, we can do the 10 top tips and
tricks as a podcast episode.
How about that?

Nick (48:32):
Oh yeah, That'd be awesome .

Ulrikke (48:34):
And then we can distribute the bingo chart to
everyone, and then we'll see um,let's, let's, let's hope.
Yeah, that's a good idea oh,okay and then and now I just
wanted to say something, becauselast year we said we're going
to dial it down and now you, I,I hear that you're exhausted.
Just by tell, by reading whatyou're going to do.

(48:55):
I know, yeah, because you'd go,ah, hmm, by reading your own
things.
And it's just a list.
You haven't even done any ofthis.

Nick (49:04):
I know.

Ulrikke (49:07):
It's not sustainable.

Nick (49:09):
No, I know.

Ulrikke (49:10):
And then because on the other side of summer we already
have a lot of things going on.
We don't need to talk about itright now, but we want to plug
Collab Days, finland, nordicSummit, ppcc in Vegas.
Let's go, people, but let's dothat when we're getting there.

Nick (49:27):
There's plenty of time before all that happens.

Ulrikke (49:29):
Plenty of time.
Next episode is going to beApril 2nd and until then, stay
healthy.
Eat your zinc things that Nickhas you don't get a cold, stay
away from public transportation,small kids and shopping malls
and have a lovely time, and I'llcatch you when we catch you.

Nick (49:49):
Yeah, don't lick doorknobs or handrails.

Ulrikke (49:55):
And don't eat yellow snow Alright, thanks Bye.
And don't eat yellow snow, no,all right.
All right, okay, thanks bye.
Bye.
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