One of those (#57)

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Ulrikke (00:02):
Is our podcast, the transcription, a part of Copilot
?
Or the big, what is it callednow?
Models now.

Nick (00:10):
Oh, it probably is.
So that's what's going to throwAI off.
That's why we're good with.
Our jobs are safe, because theBoost podcast is feeding into
these models with all sorts ofwacky information and F-bombs.
So we're good.
Welcome everyone to the PowerPlatform Boost podcast, your

(00:47):
weekly source of news andupdates from the world of the
power platform and the Microsoftcommunity, with your hosts Nick
Doelman and Ulrikke Akerbæk.
Hello.

Ulrikke (00:58):
Hey, how are you?

Nick (01:04):
I'm doing good.
Thanks.
It's election day here inCanada, so after we're done
recording, I have to go and vote.

Ulrikke (01:10):
Oh wow, Do you know where you're going to vote for?

Nick (01:13):
Yep, I'm not going to say because that could be
contentious, but no one's goingto ask you.
What's really interesting,though, is this time.
I typically do some research onthings.
I usually have a pretty goodidea where I'm leaning towards,
but this time I use well, I useChatGPT and other AI tools to

(01:37):
kind of, more than anything,dispel a lot of stuff that
people were saying, includingthe news, saying, well, they
said this and they said that.
And what I ended up doing wasthe two main political parties
here in Canada.
I took their websites and I fedthem into chat GPT and I said
do research on both of these andgive me unbiased opinions on

(01:59):
what their policies are and howthey compare and contrast.
And it was really cool because,with the co-pilot the research
it comes back and ask someclarifying questions, saying, oh
, do you want to do this, do youwant to focus on this?
And I answered I know this andyes to this and whatever, and a
little bit of back and forth,and said okay, and then, 15
minutes later, it gave me thiswhole big report, basically

(02:21):
based on the campaign promises,of what each party was doing,
how they compared, how theycontrasted and things like that,
which study was quite a bitdifferent than how the news
reports certain things.
So I did find that this ispretty interesting and pretty
enlightening, and I did post onFacebook.
Just I didn't actually get theresults or anything, but I just

(02:42):
sort of reminded people.
We have other tools.
That's not just reading thenews or listening to your crazy
uncle of who to vote or not votefor.
We have ways to get sort ofunbiased information.
So, anyways, that was that's alittle aside of me.
You know, embracing AI andusing it in sort of something.
That I think is somethingthat's pretty relevant to a lot

(03:03):
of people.

Ulrikke (03:04):
Yeah, wow, sort of something.
That I think is somethingthat's pretty relevant to a lot
of people yeah, wow.
So yeah, I find it bothrefreshing and also very scary
Because, at the same time, ifthat bot is then grounded in
data that is biased towards oneor the other, you see there's a
big right-wing movement blowingthrough Europe and Elon Musk is

(03:26):
very much playing into theright-wing parties of Europe,
and then so maybe your Tesla carwill start feeding you
right-wing information at thetop of the newsfeed or emphasize
things.
I don't know what the car cando, but I mean those kinds of
things.
So I get a bit skeptical when Ilook at technology and politics

(03:47):
and how much it mixes and alsohow vulnerable we are to the you
know, unbiased.
What does that actually mean?
But it's nice that you explorethat.

Nick (03:59):
Yeah, and I totally, I totally understand what you're
meaning.
Because that's the thing.
If I had just asked ChatGPTjust give me who should I wait
up, give me, yeah, well, not whoshould I vote for, but just
sort of give me the straight upgoods, then for sure it's gonna
go and it's gonna like, andagain, chat tpt in theory, in
theory, doesn't care about bylike, it really doesn't care

(04:20):
about all this stuff, it justprocesses data right.
But of course, if this data iskind of leaning towards one
direction or the other and thatkind of thing, that's one thing.
So that's why I basically gaveit.
Here is both.
Like political parties here istheir website.
Use that as information to dothis deep research to compare
the two, because in that way I,yeah, political parties make

(04:42):
promises all the time that theycan't keep.
So these promises sometimes areworth.
I'd say worth the paper they'rewritten on, but worth the digit
, worth the characters that areon the web page.
But at least there the idea wasI was telling it to ground
itself Like don't look outside.
Because it even asked me do youwant to kind of research other
news sources and reports?

(05:02):
No, no, just focus on theirwebsites and their platforms
only like what is published andgive me the sources and things
like that.
So I totally get you, and thisis it is dangerous to use these
tools as well.
I totally get that, but it is.
You know, there is something Iwould see on Facebook Well, such
and such said this, and then Iwould kind of like, yes, because
the data is six months old.

(05:22):
It's hard to get that, butthere are ways to kind of okay,
is this really true or what's,what's the opposing?
And then you find out that alot of these things are
blatantly not true or blatantlythey're perceived or
reinterpreted a different way aswell.
So, again, maybe it makesthings more confusing, but in
other ways, using some of thesetools that aren't yeah, anyways,

(05:48):
we could probably talk.

Ulrikke (05:49):
we could probably make a whole podcast episode on this,
Because what my mind triggeredwhen you said this was the thing
we talked about, the video thatI sent you a few weeks ago that
talked about really good AI tosay if you were going to take
over the world, what would youdo?
And then in that post onLinkedIn or that video, he you
know the AI says you're I would.
Then you could hold your pettylittle elections, but I would be

(06:14):
essentially running everything.
You know what happened whenTrump was elected a few years
ago.
The rumors that was that socialmedia was maliciously trying to
move the public in onedirection or another.
You know, have that in the mix.
But then what you did is youactually just ask it to help you
summarize the data out there,and you don't ask it to make a

(06:34):
decision or to weigh the thingsone way or the other.
There's a give me theinformation and I'll be the
human in the loop, I'll decidewhat I'll do with it, and so
that's how you have to approachthese things.
I think your approach is reallygood and I think that's kind of
what we need to remember whenwe use AI tools.
Yes, prompt me, give me ideasand let's iterate and brainstorm

(06:55):
on session ideas, for instance,but the second, you just take
that and copy and put it intosession submission.
It's no longer yours.
It's someone else's voice, sojust making sure that there's a
human in the loop.
I like it definitely.
Keep going.

Nick (07:09):
Yeah, and there was a few other things too, because I even
like it's funny you ask thatbecause I even chat GPT like
going how does social mediaaffect election results, and it
went through and again thiscould have been biased but it
gave point, saying, well, sortof some of the strategies that
people have used social media toaffect and things like

(07:30):
reposting something that lookslike from a real person but it's
actually not a real person,it's more put on by an
organization.
And I see this, I still see thisin Facebook.
I see friends posting.
It looks like they're postingsomething from a person, but
then you realize that person'snot a person.
It's actually a specialinterest group that made it look
like a person and that's whatthe danger is with all of this.

(07:52):
So again, it's sort of like.
Again I asked ai so if, if youwere to trick people, how would
you trick people?
Or you know, or how are peopletricked by this?
And it's just sort of anawareness of like anything
you've said this before almostdon't believe anything you see
online these days.

Ulrikke (08:07):
it could be generated somehow and yeah, this is the
other thing, and to your point,actually we are those people as
well.
Because what are we?
We are individual mbps thatspeak of product and we um talk
about things within theMicrosoft stack and platform

(08:27):
that we think is good, and we wekind of rah-rah about those
types of products.
So in a sense, we are we're notfake accounts but we are kind
of part of that as well, thatindividualization.
So now listen to StephenBartlett's Diary of a CEO
podcast where he talks withpeople that don't understand

(08:47):
where business is going, and soyou can look at the history now.
For the last 10 years there'sbeen a shift from you subscribe
to a brand to you subscribe toan individual.
That's why we know the names ofthe leaders of OpenAI.
That's what we know.
Satya Nadella that's what weknow.
Bill Gates he's what we know.
Satya Nadella, that's what weknow.
Bill Gates he's seen thatchange.
It's been the tech companiesleading that change for it to

(09:09):
not be about the brand anymorebut about the person, and you
can see that on the fakeaccounts as well, because brands
have less of a value now thanthey used to have and
personality and individuals holdmore power, and so it's easier
to subscribe to that.
So it's part of the change, Ithink.
Yeah, so speaking about rah-rah,all this stuff, you were like,

(09:33):
before we started recording, youwere like, yeah, because I'm a
bit short on time, because Ihave to go pick up my son in
about half an hour.
So you're like, yeah, let's getgoing, let's dive in.
And then, 10 minutes later,well, this is us right, this is
what we do.

Nick (09:47):
Yeah.
So in terms of interestingthings and I'm going to jump
around a little bit becausethere's been a lot of stuff, of
course, over the last two weeksbut our friend, Lisa Crosby,
posted a video this morningabout all the new Microsoft 365
co-pilots changes that arecoming and it's funny because

(10:10):
it's sort of you know, you see,like yeah, there's release plans
every month or you know there'srelease plans every quarter or
every sorry, every half year,but then things get released
every month and she went throughand gave it's really an
interesting video because shegave a very high level summary
of all the Microsoft 365co-pilot things are coming out.
A lot of these things we'veseen before in other competing

(10:33):
products, specifically likenotebooks, the ability to create
a podcast from from a document.
We've seen that.
We talked about that quite afew months ago already from
Google Notebook but these arethings that are now coming into
Microsoft 365 Copilot.
So it's not.
What's cool about this is it'snot so much Microsoft playing

(10:53):
catch up.
It's basically taking thesethings but incorporating into
your own business data so youcan create a notebook but then
you're bringing in stuff fromyour business data.
She went through like you justwatched the video because she
just there's so many things orit kind of blew me away.
But even you know, getting AIto create drafts, instead of
going into Word or PowerPoint,you basically can say create a

(11:13):
draft and then from there gotowards the tool of your choice,
the navigation, doing the deepresearch, the reasoning.
So we're now going beyond ofjust looking at just kind of
data and stuff, but reasoningbehind that data.
So check out that video, itkind of it.
I I didn't I didn't think I'dbe blown away, but I actually

(11:33):
kind of was of all the news, thestuff that's coming, and
immediately I could see how Icould apply that um to my
day-to-day stuff.
So that that's that's prettycool uh stuff.
So thanks lisa for doing thatvideo.
Yeah, and I think this tiesinto one of the the to my
day-to-day stuff.
So that's pretty cool stuff.

Ulrikke (11:48):
So thanks, lisa, for doing that video.
Yeah, and I think this tiesinto one of the links that I
have in the show notes as well,where Femke Cornelissen shares a
post on LinkedIn where shetalks about the Copilot waves
waves that are coming a springrelease right from Microsoft 365
Copilot it's the same thing,where she kind of details out
the different points of whenthings is coming out and what

(12:10):
it's going to do.
So and the multilingual Copilotin Teams that can automatically
translate between what youspeak.
You speak French and I hearNorwegian.
That would be fantastic.
And also the people skills.
Did you see that?
It says find the expert in yourorg without asking around?
Copilot knows who knows what Imean.

(12:31):
Come on, how many organizationsin the world has a skills
database that's trying to getcompetence?
It's up to date and is outdatedby miles and is also now the
source of the CVs, because we'reyou know, we're consultancy.
We do that.
That's our core business.
I'm just.
That is just going to first ofall put a few people out of work

(12:53):
and then also going to kind ofget that CV base finally up to
scratch.
It's going to be thesalespeople's best friend.

Nick (13:03):
Yeah, I saw that too and it reminded me.
I used to work for a bigcompany where the managers just
okay, everybody fill in yourskills matrix.
So basically it was ranking oneto five, and then all the
Dynamics 365 modules.
And how good are you at PowerAutomate?
How good are you at this?

Ulrikke (13:21):
And just even keeping that metrics up to date.
I mean, every time we go intothat forum, I'm like, I'm sorry,
but you're missing like threeyears of evolution on this
platform right here.
So, no, we do no longer call itCRM4.
No, it's no longer called Flow.
And yes, can you please updatethis before I'm able to put it
in?
And also, right, this alsowanted to kind of segue into,

(13:45):
because you said we were goingto jump around.
So now I'm really going to jumparound, because I saw something
else from Steve Mordew thisweek that I thought was amazing,
because now Salesforce iscoming out and the CEO of
Salesforce is coming out andactually putting the finger on
something that Microsoft andother people kind of danced

(14:06):
around a little bit, which isthe digital workforce.
Right, so from Microsoft'smarketing perspective, it's no,
no, no, no one's going to losetheir jobs.
You're just your best friend atwork.
It's going to be an enable.
You're going to save so muchtime, and then everyone's going
and it's going to replace people, um, and so finally now

(14:26):
someone's in sales first kind ofgetting out there saying, no,
no, it's gonna.
Managers are not no longer justgoing to manage your, manage
people, it's managing also thedigital workforce that you have,
and that's, of course, theautonomous agents they're
talking about.
And then someone in the commentssection went like I think
people have been managing otherthings other than humans for a

(14:49):
while.
And one of my old colleaguesare like, yeah, you put a horse
in front of a plow.
Isn't that kind of the samething?
Just like decades ago, so kindof having that wide discussion
about what is a workforce andmanagement and all that.
But also someone kind of honedit in and talked about
applications, how UIs are nolonger needed, how CRM is

(15:11):
obsolete.
Why would you need a CRM system?
Actually, what you do need isyou need backends talking to
backends, and then you need anagent frontend for you to
interact with.
Who cares?
Because the CRM system in theback is just populated with data
that the AI sources as neededand it talks to other databases.
So maybe integration is whereeverything's happening.
Right, that's the importantlayer.

(15:33):
And you look at the news fromlast week with the MCT servers
and you're like, well, theysolved it, so now everything can
talk to anything.
Anyways, interaction, orintegration, suddenly just
became unlocked.
Like all right, let's just plugit in.

Nick (15:48):
Done.
Yeah, the same as we doconnectors, but to the next
level, basically.

Ulrikke (15:54):
Yeah, definitely next level.
So I thought yeah, it's.
And then, of course, steve isin the comments.
It's Steve's post.
I just love following Steve.
He has the most crazy brain.
I love it.
And then people are lashing onin the comment section, but
Steve's very good at kind ofhoning it.
It goes on a tangent.
Every now and again he adultspeople, but then he'll also

(16:14):
bring it back and he goesactually talking about serum
systems being obsolete and thatAI copilates the UI for AI.
99% of the world is outside ofour little bubble.
This is just 1% of the world.
We still have customers thatare on-prem.
Hello, just reality checkpeople.

(16:36):
It's not going to happenovernight.
There's still people in theworld that deploy plow and
horses, even though it's kind ofevolved beyond that.
Yeah, sure, in big farms in theUS it has, but there are still
farmers in Asia that do horseand plow.
So I mean you'll always haveeverything.

(16:56):
It's not going to just replaceall of the workers or digital
workers overnight.
It's going to, but of course,in our world, a lot of our jobs
aren't going to be replaced andI like the fact that someone's
actually now starting to talkabout it and being honest and
actually talking about momentsyeah, it's a scary, but also

(17:18):
it's a good, yeah, to stay ontop of it and it's funny.

Nick (17:21):
Funny because, yeah, views it.
It wasn't this particular post,but Steve had posted something
else about telling ITdepartments to embrace this or
companies to embrace AI andthings like that.
And it reminded me you talkabout on-prem.
I remember working for acompany where they were
implementing, you know, still onthe on-prem, their sales

(17:42):
department, without askinganybody, went and bought
Salesforce licenses and sothere's the concept of shadow it
, there's shadow ai going on.
This past week I've talked todifferent people like even
outside of our industry.
There's one, one lady I know,who has to kind of write up
assessments for different umlike caseworker kind of thing

(18:04):
with social, like socialservices.
She's doing her reports now inai, like getting chat, gpt or
one of these tools to generatethe report.
Of course she goes through itand corrects it and makes sure,
but she said she is saving somuch time doing this now and the
way I don't want to throwanybody under the bus, but it
kind of looked like her bossesdidn't even know she's doing it

(18:26):
now because it's these tools areso available.
It's scary and this is wherecompanies need to be on board
because you want thosegovernance, those data controls
in place.
So the data is not being usedin tools outside of the
organization, used in toolsoutside of the organization, and
that's the yeah because howdoes she know?

Ulrikke (18:45):
Because even people I talk about in our industry are
going like no, no, no, I justuse a free account thing,
because then they can't use mydata.
I'm like no, no, no, dude, it'sthe other way around.
And then they go what it's likeyes, you need to pay for it for
not to spread your thingsaround they.
I'm like what it's like oh shit, and my daughter is so proud of
herself because she has an AIapp.

(19:06):
She's like no, no, no, don'tworry, mom, I did not create an
account.
It does not know my name.
I'm not logging in, I'm justfeeding it things.
I'm like oh, no, no, oh,because she thinks she's doing
it the right way, because wehave all the other apps, like
Don't see your birthday, don'ttell them where you live,
because she has a very uniquename in a very small country,

(19:29):
you know.
So she thinks she's doing itright.
So, yeah, and I also talked onthat topic, talked to a teacher,
teacher at a high school andhe's like yeah, so I use AI all
the time because I can't bebothered reading all those
reports anymore.
So I'm just so happy you haveAI, I could just throw it in
there.

(19:49):
And then they also continued theconversation to say how they're
now blocking students fromtaking exams using AI.
So they've now stopped theability to copy and paste on the
computers that they're doingtheir exams on, because then
they can't use.
Okay, sure, you can use copilotif you want to, but you have to
transcribe it with your own bywriting it right?

(20:12):
So then that's their way ofensuring that it's their words.
Sure, um, but I find itfascinating that that person can
say this is my, my job.
I'm using AI for my job, butthen we're going to prohibit the
students from learning theskills with this new tool.
It's like I can use, you know,the nail guns, but the

(20:38):
apprentice has to nail it downwith a club, right?
Why don't we just teach themhow to use the phone?
Oh, sorry, I can't stand that.
You have to beep it out, andthen you know, and then
everyone's more happy, right?
Why don't you just teach thestudents how to use AI instead
of making software that'sprohibiting them from copy and

(21:00):
pasting?
Come on, it's so backwards.
I'm just oh, yeah, sorry.
Oh, this is going to be one ofthose episodes, isn't it?
Yeah, no, okay, we said weweren't gonna do this anymore.
We're not hating on ai, thoughwe're kind of looking at the

(21:21):
freaking fine line.
That is now the balance we haveto be on to get this right.

Nick (21:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure , Okay.
So let's go somethingcompletely not AI related for
the next one, just for somethingdifferent.

Ulrikke (21:41):
Is there anything left that is not AI?

Nick (21:46):
Probably not Okay show me.
Show you, Tell me what's on thelist.

Ulrikke (21:54):
That doesn't have anything to do with AI.

Nick (21:56):
All the PowerPages, stuff, but yeah, sure do it.

Ulrikke (22:02):
We have, uh, okay, power pages, stuff.
Yes, oh, I love this.
It has nothing to do with the aiyou're right the jquery one
yeah, this is, uh, you know, youknow, when you read blog posts
and you just scan right, andthen you, because you start
reading and then you loseinterest and then you scan the

(22:23):
rest.
This is the first blog postthat I've read word for word,
from start to finish, and Ican't tell you how long Because
it's so short and it's so to thepoint, and I've been down that
rabbit hole before and I justlove that.
I learned a lot.
So thank you to the other, nickfrom Canada that does power

(22:44):
pages.
Yes, so Nick K Duke.
To the other.

Nick (22:44):
Nick from Canada that does power pages.
Yes, so yeah, nick K Duke, Ihope you're outvoting today as
well, fellow Canadian.
But yeah, great, like it'sabout the custom lookup and it's
one of these little subtleniche things that if you're not
aware of, you could probablyspend hours trying to figure it
out and mess with it andeverything.
This particular post, you'reright, it's probably going to

(23:06):
save a lot of people like Iwouldn't say hundreds, but it's
probably going to save quite afew people hours and hours of
researching and work trying tofix all this um and not
realizing, you know, oh, shoot,like this isn't being loaded
anymore the jquery library, ifwe're doing these little drop
downs, basically, um, so,without getting too technical,

(23:27):
it's it's really about fixing acustom lookup, which is
something I think anybodyworking on a power pages project
has probably run into at somepoint and getting client-side
console errors, comparing aboutthe particular uh built-in
plugin, uh, not working anymorebecause there's a particular
library that needs to bereferenced.

Ulrikke (23:47):
So little thing, big impact the order of which things
are loaded, and I didn't knowthis.
But so jQuery is loaded withPower Pages, but it's loaded at
the far bottom of the page,meaning that actually your
header and your head of your DOMwill be loaded.
Before that do so, you injectsome jQuery at the top of your
page.

(24:07):
That's going to be a little bitbefore the jQuery library, and
also you can't find the jQueryreference because it's bundled
in a bigger JavaScript file oron a CDN somewhere.
So it's one of those caseswhere he had someone testing the
application Some people itworked, some people it didn't
work, and actually it was theadministrator role that was a

(24:27):
drift differentiator, whichmakes no sense whatsoever, but
that's how he figured this out.
So it's one of those prettyniche, pretty deep things, and
also it's funny because I thinkthey spent a lot of time before
they brought Nick into thepicture and then suddenly he
just does it and he finds it out, and it's fantastic to also see

(24:51):
how he reasons to get to the uh, because it also shares a bit
of the path he followed tofigure this out, which I also
like when people do that in blogpost is not.
This is a solution, but alsogives you an idea of what I had
to do to find the way down thisrabbit hole, to find that little
solution, because that is alsoa workflow and a process that
everyone else can adopt, becausewe're all troubleshooting.
So I really like, I appreciatethat blog post, nicholas.

Nick (25:12):
Yes, and then the AI can read this and add it to its
reasoning model later, so youcan think like Nick.

Ulrikke (25:18):
Really, is our podcast, the transcription, a part of
Copilot, or the big, what is itcalled now?
Models now.

Nick (25:28):
Oh, it probably is.
So that's what's going to throwAI off.
That's why we're good.
Our jobs are safe, because theBoost podcast is feeding into
these models with all sorts ofwacky information and F-bombs,
so we're good.

Ulrikke (25:43):
And also another Nick from Canada that does Power
Pages posted something very nicethis week.
I loved your video and yourblog post about the new Visual
Studio Code the custom actionsor not custom actions sorry.

Nick (25:57):
Actions.
Yeah, it's funny because it'sanother one of those I'd say,
fairly you'd think low impact,but actually it is a little
thing.
Little thing but high impact,but what impact?
But actually it is a littlething, that the little thing but
high impact.
But what's really cool about itis like I think all of us are.
For anyone developing PowerPagesusing Visual Studio Code for
desktop, it's great.
You download the code, you makeyour changes and then, because

(26:20):
it's in Visual Studio Code forDesktop, you have access.
There is the PowerPages Copilotthat they've created a little
over a year ago.
But using Visual Studio Codefor Desktop, you can use GitHub
Copilot like the actual GitHubCopilot using the App PowerPages

(26:40):
kind of chat experience, andI've been playing so.
So, anyways, all that beingsaid, the tool the actions that
the team released allows you tobasically very easily upload and
download the um.
The website allows you topreview it and when you preview,
it actually clears the cachefor you, and then you even have

(27:04):
some shortcuts into the powerpages design studio or the power
pages management app.
So it allows you to switchenvironments pretty easily
without having to learn allthose pack commands.
Now I I've, you know I anytime Igo on the pack commands I'm
very much.
I go pack page, it power pagesor pack pages now and then I'll

(27:24):
hit enter just to see thecommands, to get reminded of
what they are all the time.
And I used to feel a littleembarrassed.
But I was actually on a callwith someone very prominent in
our community, that's very wellknown in ALM circles, who may or
may not have written a bookabout ALM, and he was doing the
pack commands and he was makingmistakes and I'm like, ok, I
don't feel so bad anymore.
He's like, oh, I forgot thepack commands and he was making

(27:44):
mistakes.
And I'm like, okay, I don'tfeel so bad anymore.
He's like, oh, I, I forgot, Iforgot how this, I forgot the
parameter for this one, and do,do, do, do, like still anyways.
So these little shortcuts andthese tools make it a lot easier
.
And, of course, using thegithub copilot, um, again this
one I said we said we weren'tgoing to talk about ai and then
here we are again, um, but usingthat to create code and fix

(28:06):
code and stuff like that.
I am going to.
I have a video formulating inmy head of using that and it's
just, it's amazing of how thatworks and how it can fit, and I
actually it saved me hours thisweek developing some power pages
code, so all within the visualstudio code for desktop and
being able to upload and previewall that, so it's pretty cool.
So, yeah, check out my blog andvideo and give me any kind of

(28:30):
feedback or questions.

Ulrikke (28:32):
So shameless self-promotion no no, no, this
is all good.
I mean, I've used the VisualStudio in the browser for a
while and the fact that I can'tcreate new templates and new
files and new content snippetsmeans that I'm constantly moving
back and forth.
And also, I feel so the previewone right.
So you preview the PowerPagessite in the past, when you've

(28:55):
downloaded your portal to yourlocal machine, you haven't seen
because it hasn't loaded thePowerPages context.
Does it do that now?
So it's actually representativeof what you see.
Because I find this has beenthe reason why I haven't used it
in Plinter now, because I haveto upload the code and see it in
the rendered PowerPages site tosee what I'm actually building,

(29:17):
because I'm styling PowerPages.
I can't look at that half-assed.
Maybe this is what it lookslike, kind of preview.
It doesn't help.

Nick (29:24):
Yeah, no, you still need to hit that upload button, but
at least now it's just basicallya click upload, and then, like
a few seconds later, it isuploaded and then when you hit
the preview, it will pull itfrom Dataverse.
So there's that step ofuploading to Dataverse.
If you don't do that, then yourpreview is still stale.

Ulrikke (29:44):
Yeah, right.
So for me, because I have acheat sheet where I have all the
CLI commands already so I'mjust copying and pasting and I
just click up two times and thenupload and I click up another
time and then I download.
So I mean, for me the newactions is like so underwhelming
, I must say it's like, oh, sounderwhelming.

(30:05):
I must say it's like, oh, soyou made a low-code way for
coders to upload and downloadyour site.
It's like I'm underwhelmed.
So I was actually annoyed whenI saw that and I was like, oh,
this was the freaking RAROSabout.
Give me something that actuallyhelps.
And then I also saw a littlecomment going oh and by the way,
this isn't the preview thingdoesn't work for for customs

(30:27):
themed sites.
Show me a PowerPages site inproduction that is using default
out of the box theming.
Show me one and I'll.
Probably there will be more.
But I mean, come on, so yeah,ok, I'm done, thank you.

Nick (30:43):
OK, yeah.

Ulrikke (30:43):
Okay, I'm done, thank you, okay.
So now I want to see that whereI can actually preview the
whole thing so that I can workon my local machine fast and
snappy, just saving it alreadyin the preview so that I can
work quickly, so that it savesme time and I can really get
kind of warmed up with it.
I can use GitHub Copilot and Ican use all of that because the

(31:04):
upload, download, the kill cacheand the preview that has to
change for me to be able to usethe local version the local dev
tools right yeah.

Nick (31:15):
Yeah.
No, it's fair For me it was.
It did save me a bit of time orjust got me in a better flow of
things.
But yeah, I do.
Yeah, it's still without.
I'd still love to be able togive me a proper preview versus
a yeah.

Ulrikke (31:31):
But, of course, using Power Pages and GitHub Copilot
to create a module, right,You're creating a form, so
you're working with that form inisolation and you can see that
preview.
That works right, because thatwas going to be a good
representation of what it is,that it's going to be when it's
live.
So in that scenario it'squickening things up right.
So it's for me, just because Iwork in the styling and branding

(31:51):
space so much it doesn't helpfor me, but I see for all other
use cases it's great.
And speaking of kind of GitHuband co-pilots and stuff, I saw
that now the GitHub integrationis now finally generally
available.
That is where Power Platform,yes, is GA.
But also I saw that the VisualStudio for the browser for Power

(32:16):
Pages is still in preview.
I did not know that.
So it says do not use inproduction, which we have been
for the last, I don't know, oneand a half years or something.
Yeah, so that's awesome.
Oh well, we're not codingdirectly in production, which we
have been for the last I don'tknow, one and a half years or
something.
That's awesome.
We're not coding directly inproduction, we're using it in
dev and removing the code toproduction.
I can't really see why thatwouldn't be production ready.

(32:36):
That's not.

Nick (32:38):
There's two different things.
There's a preview tool and thenthere's a preview feature.
So Visual Studio Code for theweb, it's a preview feature.
So Visual Studio Code for theweb, it's a preview tool, but
we're building productionsupported code, right?
So a feature, something likethe, you know, something that's
built into Model Driven PowerPages, like I'm just trying to
think like the doc or the Stripeintegration, for example,

(33:00):
that's a feature that's inpreview.
You can't even use it inproduction because it's not even
pointing to a production stripe.
But that's something no, don'tuse.
That Support will stop youwhere.
I think, if you're, like youknow, using XRM toolbox tools,
like, in the grand scheme ofthings, most of these would be
preview, because whoeverdeveloped it is still, you know,

(33:23):
tinkering with it, whatever.
So, yeah, that's it Toolsversus features.

Ulrikke (33:29):
Yes.
That's why I'm giving my yes,perfect, all right.
Ok, let's move on to somethingelse.
Do you want to kind of stilljump around, jump around.

Nick (33:40):
No, I was going to pop into Amy Holden anything but
code and all about her recentblog pass post, which is all
about code, or it looks likecode.

Ulrikke (33:50):
Yeah, 100%.
I think she's now being renamedto Amy all about code, so we
can do that search for Amy.

Nick (33:58):
Yeah, amy Holden pro coder .
That's what your business cardshould say from here on in, amy,
Because look at this post, goahead.

Ulrikke (34:09):
No, tell me about the post.

Nick (34:10):
Oh, the post is all about, you know, the setting regarding
to an eligible table and asingle update action, and I mean
we've all run into this before.
And she shows the screenshot andI'm like I feel called out
because I see some of my flowshere with the little sad face
with the band-aid on it.
I'm like, yeah, I've done that.
And then kind of the after,with the, the kind of shortened

(34:33):
down, and I'm looking at thisgoing yeah, that's very cody,
code centric, but but in a goodway though, right, yeah, about
kind of summarizing all of thisand again showing the, you know,
creating the activity row andall that kind of other stuff.
And she, like Amy's amazing interms of her screenshots, how

(34:55):
she draws and relates to things.
She's showing the, actuallyshowing the bits of code and how
it's working of all the poweror sorry, power automate
expressions, networking.
Of all the power or sorry,power automate expressions, um,
and she even has the code, thesample code, that you can cut
and paste for yourself.
So, amy, keep the code comingyes, keep the code coming.

Ulrikke (35:16):
Actually, I had an opportunity to see amy this week
at color cloud.
The both both amy holden andmegan walker was at color cloud
in Hamburg.
I ran past Amy like three timesthinking, oh, I'm going to
catch up with you.
And then she was gone and Inever got the chance to.
And she lives in Australia.
I'm so, oh.
So next time I'm going to justgrab Amy by both shoulders and

(35:39):
go.
We need to sit down and talk,and talking about the two of
them just reminded me that weneed to share something's really
important um, for those of youwho aren't aware, uh, on um
outbound, the old way of workingwith marketing dynamics,
usually by marketing outboundmarketing that was um is going

(36:01):
away.
So they're going to actuallydeprecate it and they're going
to remove the whole thing andit's blowing up across the board
because a lot of customersaren't ready and it's a huge
shift for a lot of what is nowcalled customer insights.
Of course, customers to shiftto real time.
They've had their time.
I mean, come on, it's beenyears and years, but of course

(36:21):
some of these big ones need abit of time to adjust.
So what Amy and Megan has doneis to create a kind of a webinar
.
Open webinars set up a fewopportunities for people to come
on a call and ask theirquestions.
So they'll talk about what'sgoing on.
They'll talk about thetransition and their best
practices and give people ageneral idea of what to do, and

(36:44):
then they'll take questions.
They've had two already.
There was one at the time whenthis is released on Wednesday.
They already had one in themorning at 7 am.
There's another one at 4.
So if this is of interest toyou, you have a few hours to
find that through the link inour show notes and sign up and

(37:08):
also just calm down.
There's going to be another oneon May 7th and another one a
few weeks after that.
So it's not the latest chance.
It's not the last chance yet,but make sure that, if this
applies to you, that you go onone of those webinars and also
they've recorded all of them.
The recordings are available.

(37:30):
So if you have questions, goback and kind of go through
those recordings before you goon the webinar, if you have time
, so you don't kind of repeatthe same questions over and over
.
But you'll get a good sense ofwhat's going on if you look back
on those recordings and also, Imean this goes to show how
important community is for bothAmy and Megan, and we know this

(37:52):
because we know these lovelyladies.
But I mean they are puttingthis, they're essentially just
grabbing all across the worldand Megan says we can't help you
all individually, we don't, we,we cannot.
So we try to help everyone byjust opening up and allowing
that.
So this is their way to giveback.

(38:13):
And I just want to give a hugehomage to them for like going
okay, how can we reach as manypeople as possible?
But it's good quality, becausewe can't be consultants and go
in and save your assets oreverywhere, right?
So how do we reach as manypeople as possible?
Uh, to help as many people aspossible, all right.
It's huge respect.
You guys do an amazing job yes,absolutely.

Nick (38:36):
Saving keystrokes is that's I mean, I love it.
I.
This is amazing, putting thattogether, helping tons of people
out, because I know this is abig thing, uh, great, it's like.
I think a lot of people in thecommunity this is I like
answering questions by pointingback to a blog post or a video,
whether it's one of my own orone of my other friends.
This a couple times this weekgoing, hey, I'm really stuck, I

(39:06):
don't know how to do this.
Blah, blah, blah.
I said, oh, here's a video Idid on it three months ago and
then getting the response backperfect, that's exactly what I
needed.
That, yeah, that's the coolfeeling.

Ulrikke (39:14):
So I have the same feeling in my workshop that I
did at color cloud as well,because I had a full day of
end-to-end power pages and Ienlisted help from some friends
you among some, some otherpeople and then I had someone
ask the question.
I was like, yes, what if?
Yes, exactly that, and I don'teven know the answer to that.
But I fortunately for you I hada conversation with a friend

(39:35):
and then we could kind of talkabout the things that I got help
with in terms of security andaccessibility and all those
things.
So I mean cause none of us canknow everything about everything
in this community.
It's grown so big that'simpossible.
So just having that network offriends to rely on when you need
help, and also, of course, yourpast self, like you always tell
me right.

(39:57):
Write love letters to yourfuture self in documentation, in
descriptions when you configurethings, but also in blog posts.
Right, I saw this today.
I'm going to help myself sixmonths from now because I have a
goldfish memory.
So when I Google something, I'mgoing to find my own blog post
and so many people in thecommunity have the same story.
That's what we do.
So, yeah, it's a long way ofsaying that.

(40:19):
Yeah, contribute because itwill benefit everyone.
We're just as smart as thecollective knowledge we
accumulate, or something.

Nick (40:30):
Yes.

Ulrikke (40:32):
All right, customer insights there's a lot of things
in here.
So Dynamics 365, customerinsights, journeys, marketing
and power platform is that also,amy, because it doesn't have a?
That's also Amy.
That's the one we just talkedabout.
And then this is from PaulineClaude, which I also saw this

(40:53):
week one form to rule them allreuse marketing forms across
pages with JavaScript.
So this is yours, I believe.

Nick (41:03):
Yeah, and this is another one of these things that under
the heading Nick doesn't knowmuch about, but it did catch my
eye because it was sort of like.
I mean, for me not knowing alot about customer insights and
journeys, but seeing, what doyou mean?
You can't do one form, you haveto set up multiple forms, like
to me.
If I was new coming in, they'dbe like, well, why can't I do

(41:25):
this?
But apparently you can't.
But of course, polina, she's anamazing person, super smart.
I love her presentations, theway she presents and carries
herself and everything.
A very interesting person totalk to as well.
But in her blog post as wellagain, very much like like Amy
and those others very clearlygoes through step by step.

(41:47):
She's got step, how you know.
Gives a good intro, talks aboutthe different marketing forms,
adding the JavaScript to amarketing form.
So there's JavaScript there,which I love, and the code is
there.
We can cut and paste it, how toembed the form into your
website and how to check it allout and things like that, and

(42:08):
then basically how it all worksand how to incorporate that into
the marketing journey.
So, again, another greatresource and if you're into
customer insights and journeysor in a project.
Um pauline is another one ofthese people that you need to
bookmark her website because shehas a lot of amazing content on
that.

Ulrikke (42:27):
so, yes, good work, love it all right, fantastic, um
, and then there's another onehere.
So so now we're diving into theco-pilot stuff, and I saw
announcing new computer use inMicrosoft's co-pilot studio for

(42:47):
UI automation.
This is one of the articlesfrom Taras Limana, corporate
vice president of business andindustry co-pilot, which is now
called which I find isinteresting.
Yes, yeah, so did you have achance to read up on this?

Nick (43:03):
A little bit.
So, basically, the idea ofcomputer use is, I think, an
industry-recognized term ofactually and I think to
oversimplifying it is anAI-agentic, power-ic, power
automate desktop type of systemwhere you're able to use to
incorporate the ability toactually read screens or read

(43:26):
computers, stuff that does nothave necessarily have an AI.
The idea there is you can dothat.
So it's kind of like when Ifirst looked at that, it's like
oh, this is just power automatedesktop with, you know, some
co-pilot steroids added to it,um, but basically, and it and it
is really, at the end of theday, um, but it is kind of going

(43:47):
, I think, to look at it fromanother aspect.
This is power automate desktopalso.
This is different from powerautomate desktop, but it's the
same kind of concept and, ofcourse, showing how we can begin
to use like ai agents.
Of course we have have the MCPservers now and we can talk to a
lot of different things, but ifthere is something that doesn't
have a proper AI or sorry, aproper API, that doesn't exclude

(44:10):
it from doing these agents,things like that.
So immediately I can think of afew use cases that I was
thinking of using Power AutomateDesktop for, but I might
actually, when this actually isreleased or in a preview mode
that I can use.
I might try using this featureinstead.
So and again, like everything,we're continually learning more

(44:31):
and more, but to me this wassignificant enough to have its
own big blog announcement andbecause, and then looking more
into more third party AI stuff,computer use is a thing across
the board, even outside of theMicrosoft ecosystem.

Ulrikke (44:45):
Yeah, and I liked how it was also kind of you could,
you can record what it is thatyou wanted to do.
But also, even if the UIchanges, the agent will still
know what to do.
He won't break, because it'ssmart enough to recognize
objects, even though it movesaround on the screen, for
instance, or kind of reason overUI, to understand what's really

(45:06):
going on, whereas an RPA wouldjust, yeah, the button moved or
changed its name.
It's like, oh, I don't knowwhat to do, oh, a button gone, I
don't know.
But this actually is smartenough to recognize the changes
and still be able to run.

Nick (45:19):
So that was kind of cool yep, yeah, all right time, cop,
or are you good, or?

Ulrikke (45:26):
no, no, I'm good, keep going all right.

Nick (45:29):
But speaking of, it's funny because with um, uh, anna,
who posted an article of atleast a couple of weeks ago, but
still it was really interestingtalking about, ok, computer use
and power automate desktop orcreating agents.
She had a great post onautomate, agentify or nothing.

(45:52):
And this is the big questionthat keeps coming up Do we
automate it or do we write anagent for it?
And this is going to be, Ithink, a big question going
forward as we do agents, becausea lot of the use cases I see,
uh, for using agents like, oh,we could do an agent for this,
you do an agent for that.
I'm like, couldn't we just do apower automate to do the same

(46:13):
thing?
Um, and even within powerautomate itself, um, I have a
video blog post I'm going toprobably post and either later
this week or next week, whereI'm using AI builder within a
power automate flow, but to meit's still more of an automation
using AI features, but it's notan agent and it probably could
be an agent.
But what's the where's thedelineation?

(46:36):
So at least Anna goes throughand she has a good post and
she's talking about, she has awhole flow chart of and it's
called automate, agentify ornothing, and it's.
It's great because it's like,is this test done more than
three times per month?
And then yes, and there's astructured process yes or no,
and then it goes through and ithelps you decide whether you

(46:57):
should be.
This should be an agent or anautomation, or just do it
manually.

Ulrikke (47:02):
Um, so it's great, I love it yeah, me too, and I love
the visuals and I just becauseI'm such a graphical nerd just
the new um graphical identity ofanna's whole digital appearance
is so freaking cool, so I justwanted to give a little shout
out to Anna for that as well.
And this speaks directly towhat we've been saying so long.

(47:24):
Right, maybe it's simply just apart of my flow and for me,
using agents is the autonomousthing, right?
An agent should be able to gooff and reason and do things on
its own, but not all use casesare fit for that, and some
things actually, it's way betterto just have, like I said, an
old approval flow.
She talks about thenever-ending travel request or

(47:47):
whatever.
It is right, it's just.
Yeah, do you have an existingprocess for it?
Then just continue using it.
It's fine, you don't have to AIit, just to do it, right, yeah,
fantastic.
And we also have a blog postfrom Karsten which is

(48:08):
revolutionizing digitalworkflows traditional automation
via AI-powered agent Isn't thiskind of the same thing?

Nick (48:17):
Yeah, same topic.

Ulrikke (48:19):
Side-by-side comparison .

Nick (48:21):
Yeah, he has a good chart, Carson, of course, we know he
works for Microsoft he used tobe an MVP back in the day but
again he does the same.
Like I said, this is aconversation a lot of us are
going to be having.
So, where he is, he doesn'thave a flow chart.
He has a table.
We're comparing the differentautomation traditional
automation, AI-poweredautomation, AI-powered agents

(48:46):
pros and cons.
So it's a pros and cons listfor all you.
How I Met your Mother fanswhere Ted gets out his yellow
pad and does his pro cons list.
Carson has done it for AI agentsversus traditional automation.
So check that out.
It's it's.
There's a ton of informationhere.
It's really good.
And again, there's another oneof these great tools and

(49:07):
resources as we're, as we'renavigating our way and figuring
out all of this stuff and alsohelping advisor clients where
they might be all about, but weneed to build all these agents
and you kind of hold back.
Well, do you, you know, or willan automation work?
Or maybe, yeah, maybe, an agentwould work.
So, again, tons of this is a.

(49:29):
I think we're going to seeprobably more information on
this because, like everything,it depends and there's also
differing opinions and differentapproaches and things like that
.

Ulrikke (49:42):
So it really helps with the whole learning as well.
Yeah, absolutely 100%.
Do you want to move on to thedatabase platform, alm stuff,
because I see something hereabout self-service disaster
recovery.
This sounds like something wetalked about a few weeks ago in
the release waves.
Remember that.
We're like oh so it's going tofix itself.

(50:04):
Yeah, maybe not.

Nick (50:09):
Yeah, this is Andrew Lee from Andrew's in Australia.
He's a good guy, I've talked tohim a few times, but basically
he's really going through thewhole self-service disaster
recovery platform.
It is still in preview, so thisis one of those preview
features that play with it butdon't deploy it.
Maybe we should do a flowchartof preview feature, use it or

(50:35):
not use it.
So, anyways, going through this, this we have different
environment types talks aboutthe, the billing process, talks
about the fact that uh, fno, uhthings are not supported um
enabling, how to enable thedisaster recovery.
So turning that on and how itwill all work.

(50:56):
So, if you're interested inthis or if it's something that
you're um, and also it showshere, to do a disaster recovery
drill.
So that's something I find withdisaster recovery people don't
necessarily do.
They have a disaster recoveryplan but they don't actually run
through the disaster recovery.
So this reminds me of a horrorstory going way back in the

(51:18):
early days of my career, where Istill had a full head of hair
and I was a systemsadministrator and basically the
company I was working for hadretail stores and they had a
core server that would and thisis back in the day before
virtual private networks andeverything.
Now I'm really dating myself.
But basically the server wouldcall up the retail stores

(51:41):
through a modem Modem is what weused to talk through the
telephone lines to getinformation and it would upload
all the data from those retailstores into a core server so
they could do reporting andthings like that and ordering
and all that.
I wasn't in charge of thesoftware on the server, but part
of my daily routine was to swapout the backup tapes.
So every day I would go removethe backup tape, put the other

(52:02):
one in.
There was someone else who wasmanaging that server, um, and
then what happened?
Once the server blew up, itcrashed, the hard drive failed.
No problem, we have backuptapes.
We had someone come in.
It was a unix system.
I was more of the windows ntadministrator, so we had to get
a unix guy come in.
He came in basically one couplehours later, rebuilt the server

(52:25):
, rebuilt the you know, restoredfrom the backup, launched the
console.
Yep, you're back up and running, the tape's been restored, all
good.
And then we talked to the personwho was in charge of the retail
stores.
Yet the server's back up, all.
And then he gives me a call.
About half hour later he goeswe don't have the last six
months worth of data, everythingworks, but the data has gone

(52:46):
from.
I was like, oh what, that can'tbe.
We took a look and, yeah, thebackup tape, the backups, had
failed, the backup job hadfailed, but the job that would
eject the tapes kept working.
So every day I would see thetape was ejected and swap it out
and put in the new one, and allit would do it would take the
tape in and eject it.
It wouldn't do the backups.
So they're able to recreate thedata because they had to

(53:10):
re-upload from all the retailstores.
But there was a case of wenever bothered to actually look
even at what was stored on thosebackup tapes and never did a
disaster recovery test run.
Of course now, with the days ofthe cloud and other environments
, we should be able to do that.
So, yeah, run.
You know it's great to have aplan, but execute the plan.
It's why in school I'm not sureif they do this in Norway, they

(53:31):
do this in Canada but everycouple months they have a fire
drill, fire alarm goes off,everybody in line, everybody
lines up and goes outside totheir designated spot.
You need to do the same foryour systems, even if they're in
the cloud.
Do disaster recovery drills andmake sure you can recover and
everything's in place.

Ulrikke (53:51):
And if I ever tire of my job and PowerPages and Power
Platform, can you just pleaseremind me that there is a job
where your job is to take downservers just to see if it works,
if the backup works.
I want that job.
Can you imagine that being yourjob?
I'm going to, she's going to oh, that's good, let's see what
happens.
Oh, does it work?
No, every two months I'm goingto just pull out the plug and

(54:13):
see what happens.
Oh, I'm going to pull thisrandom plug right here.
Oh, is this a server plug?
Oh, I'm sorry.
Oh, let's see how many disasterrecovery is, can you imagine?
And then the second thing I'mthinking that, yeah, I think
this goes back to something wesaid just a couple of months ago
when we talked with someone orthere was a blog post about that
exact thing.

(54:33):
You need to test it.
You actually need to go in andmess with it to see if it works,
because in theory it shouldwork.
But also, doesn't this speak tohow I mean your story?
It kind of grounds me when I'mfussing about connection
references not being what Iwanted to be in ALM with Power

(54:56):
Platform Pipelines.
I mean, then it's kind ofsobering what you just said,
because I should just shut thebeep up because it's pretty damn
good compared to what we usedto have just a few decades ago.
So it's like it's so sobering.
So thank you for that littlehistory lesson.

Nick (55:16):
Yeah, no problem, I was there.

Ulrikke (55:24):
Cool, I think the line on the list that's not been
talked about is yours yeah, andI think it's actually a good
segue and kind of have to wrapup everything because, um,
there's been, there's a newpower platform and copay studio
architecture center forarchitects and they have all.
It's a collection PowerPlatform and Copilot Studio
Architecture Center forarchitects and it's a collection
of the white papers and thewell-architected documentation

(55:47):
and it also shows you howthere's a difference between
Power Platform and Copilotarchitecture and we have people
now coming into the platformthat is raw, raw Copilot.
And what is this Power Platformthing?
Because, there are people nowcoming into the platform that is
raw, raw co-pilot.
And what is this platform thing, you know?
Because there are people nowcoming into the platform through
co-pilot um, so it's going tobe interesting to see how that
evolves.
But this, because in this also,like they put it it is both

(56:10):
power platform and co-pilotstudio architecture center I
think that is kind of showingyou also that there is a
difference or there is a kind ofa I don't know, it just caught
my eye.
But also, this is a good placeto be if you are an architect,
like we are for a pilot platform.
There's a lot of good resourceshere.

(56:32):
So, yeah, check that out, cool,and I think that kind of
summarizes everything.
I think we're at the end.
Yeah, because we've jumpedaround so much, I tried to kind
of mark the stuff that we talkedabout and I think we got all of
it, yeah, yeah.
So now just a quick reminderthe Customer Insights webinar is

(56:56):
in a few hours.
Check out Megan Walker and AmyHolden's blog post to find links
and our show notes as well, forwhere you can find that online.
You have Dynamics Con coming upin May 13th to 16th.
If there are still tickets atthis point.
Please make sure to get yourtickets.

Nick (57:13):
Oh, yeah, there's still tickets.
Yeah, get your tickets.
Yeah, I do have some sessionsthere as well, so, yeah, check
that out.
And then, yeah, we are intofull-on conference season.

Ulrikke (57:27):
Oh yeah, and it's just.
There's so much stuff going on.
I will be.
We'll both be in London at thePower Summit, power Platform
Developer Community Boot Camp.
You are doing Dynamics Minds inSlovenia, slovenia, slovakia.

Nick (57:42):
Slovenia, yep.

Ulrikke (57:44):
Yep, and we're all and we're both doing and this is I'm
so excited about this you meand Frank, you me and Victor are
doing the European PowerPlatform Conference, the Top Gun
Power Pages workshops.
If you missed us in Vegas andif you missed us in Oslo for
Nordic Summit, you have anotherchance at EPBC.
Join the Top Gun pilots and getall ramped up on Power Pages at

(58:06):
the workshop we're doing atEPBC.
I'm so excited and we haven'tdone the three of us together,
so I've done it with Victor andManco Victor and Vanco Franco.
Yeah, Victor and Manco Franco,victor and Vanko Franco yeah,
victor and Vanko Franco andVictor and we you, me and Franco
did it without Victor at NordicSummit, so you, me and Victor
haven't done that yet.

(58:27):
So it's going to be a lot offun to see how that evolves, and
it's different every timebecause we all bring different
perspectives into the mix, andso, yeah, and things have
changed as well since the lasttime.

Nick (58:36):
Things have changed as well since the last time.

Ulrikke (58:37):
Things have changed Now .
I've done my workshop on my own.
You've done your workshop onyour own.
We're going to bring all thatcollectivity together and it's
going to be infused by so muchAI people.
So if you're looking to becauseI'm all about PowerPages and AI
now it's blowing up.
So if you need to know thelatest and greatest of
PowerPages and AI, just yeah,get to that workshop for sure.

(58:58):
Do we have some giveaway ticket?
10% discount.
Use Nick10 at checkout.

Nick (59:06):
Yes, yeah, cuckoo.

Ulrikke (59:10):
Cuckoo.
Next episode is on May 14th.

Nick (59:14):
Yeah, yeah, wow, yeah I did, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, wow, yeah I didn'tmean 14th, isn't it?

Ulrikke (59:21):
Wow, blows my mind.
I say that every time, thoughTime flies yeah.

Nick (59:25):
Oh, I know, and it's, it's , it's scary because May is
approaching very quick.
Um, and yeah, like I, I'm two,three weeks out from competing.
Um, I'm two, three weeks outfrom competing.
I know I don't talk about thismuch on this particular platform
, but I am deep into bench presstraining right now.
It's going well, touch wood,nothing's hurting, everything is

(59:48):
on track.
Spoke with the team coachesearlier this week, so, put in a
play, it was kind of coolbecause I was telling them all
about Norway and how to getaround and make sure you buy
your beer before eight o'clockin the stores, and how the
trains work and everything likethat.
So I'm, I, I think I'm, I'm theofficial team local expert on
norway, uh, for the event.

Ulrikke (01:00:10):
So oh, that's great, yeah, because there are a few
gotchas um about norway, sothat's good that you have that.
You can kind of casual themaround a little bit.
I can't wait because I'mbringing the kids.
We're going to create ponponsand be all whoop whoop because I
know that there's not a lot ofthat, so we're going to have so
much fun cheering for you.

Nick (01:00:29):
Awesome.
Looking forward to it.

Ulrikke (01:00:30):
Awesome.
Yeah, I'll see you before then,so that's all good.
Have a fantastic rest of yourday, everyone, and we'll catch
you on the next one.
Bye, bye.
Thanks for listening and if youlike this episode, please make
sure to share it with yourfriends and colleagues in the
community.
Make sure to leave a rating andreview your favorite streaming

(01:00:52):
service and makes it easier forothers to find us.
Follow us on the social mediaplatforms and make sure you
don't miss an episode.
Thanks for listening to thePower Platform Boost podcast
with your hosts, ulrika Akerbeckand Nick Dahlman, and see you
next time.

All Episodes

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

On Purpose with Jay Shetty

The Breakfast Club

The Joe Rogan Experience

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}One of those (#57)

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

.css-r6mb8g{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:1;overflow:hidden;}On Purpose with Jay Shetty

The Breakfast Club

The Joe Rogan Experience

All Episodes

One of those (#57)

On Purpose with Jay Shetty