Power Platform 2025 Release Wave 2 (#63)

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Nick (00:00):
Hey, it's summertime.
You know what that means.
That means grabbing a nice colddrink and getting caught up on
some reading that you've beenmeaning to get to.
So book here from Arpit PowerApps.
It's really cool Lisa's book onCopilot Pro and Benedict's book
on ALM.
So I'm getting caught up inthese books.
And, of course, the other thingit's that time of year again

(00:23):
for the Power Platform releaseplan.
So this is a special episode ofthe Power Platform Boost
podcast, where Alika and I aretalking about our favorite
features of the 2025 releasewave 2.
Check it out.
Welcome everyone to the PowerPlatform Boost podcast, your

(01:02):
weekly source of news andupdates from the world of the
Power Platform and the Microsoftcommunity, with your host, Nick
Dolman and Elitica Akebeck.

Ulrikke (01:11):
Hey Nick, hey Elitica, how are you doing?
I'm great.
How are you?

Nick (01:14):
Awesome.
It's that two of our favoritetimes of the year when it comes
to this podcast, and I know ourlisteners love it too.
It is time for the release waverelease plan.
Release something, episode.

Ulrikke (01:29):
Yeah, release wave two for 2025.
Two, and what does that mean?
Well, every year there's tworelease note waves.
It's the wave one, one which isreleased in january and
contains news and updates frommarch until october.

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That's the one that we'recurrently in.
And then in august theyreleased the wave two, which is
news and updates, features andnew goodies from october to
march until march next year.
So that's 2025 2026, and thatis the one that we have
currently gotten a preview draftversion of, because we're MVPs.
So while we're recording this,we and some Microsoft people

(02:13):
have access to this andhopefully they don't change it
until we can release it safelyin a week's time.
So maybe Nick has to do a lotof editing to edit stuff out
that doesn't make the final cut.
We'll see.

Nick (02:25):
Okay, so what we?

Ulrikke (02:26):
do yeah, sorry.

Nick (02:27):
No, no.
Yeah, I was going to say,hopefully I don't have to do a
lot of editing.
For the most part I haven't hadto do that.
I think once or twice there wasa few things we had to cut.
Like these are the.
These are constantly evolving.
It's not like they're writtenin stone.
All things get added, thingsget removed.
So the version that you'reseeing is going to be the one
that gets released today, whenthis episode gets released, and

(02:50):
it should align fairly well,let's hope.

Ulrikke (02:52):
Yeah, and then every time we do this I tell you
upfront that you're meant tochoose one favorite from each
thing, and every time you insiston going through all the news.
And the problem with that isthat if you go through all the
news and they remove something,you have to do a lot of editing.
So I did the same thing to dothat favor again this time.
Then this time actually, yousaid up front I promise to just

(03:14):
choose one.
Then I went into your notesafter I done mine and there's
like five from each.
So let's see how well, you do no, mine is the complete list oh
okay, so you have chosenfavorites that, so I can't see
which one is your favorite.
I?

Nick (03:30):
haven't.

Ulrikke (03:31):
I haven't showed you what I chose, I just said here's
the full list so okay, becauseit says nick's favorite and then
I thought maybe that was nick'sfavorite, but oh, no, I see
okay, no, no, I yeah, no, no,let's, no, no, it's, that's just
everything.

Nick (03:45):
So we don't forget anything, or this reminds me, or
?

Ulrikke (03:49):
yeah, so you aren't going to go through the whole
list I am.

Nick (03:52):
No, I'm going to wait for you to tell me your top pick.
I'll tell you my top pick andthen maybe we'll we'll highlight
the others or fight, and thenvice versa okay, okay, okay,
let's we.

Ulrikke (04:02):
This is what we we have full control.
We've done this so many times.

Nick (04:05):
We can just do what we always do Okay.
This is our editing meetinglive recording.
Editing meeting yeah.

Ulrikke (04:11):
Okay, so let's start with Power Apps.
So the focus for Power Apps forthis wave is to build with a
team of agents.
It's three things.
It's build with a team ofagents with a team of agents
it's three things.
It's building a team of agents.
This is essentially plandesigner, that you have kind of
an enterprise-ready solutionthat includes apps and agents
and reports and sites and a lotof other things.

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You have agent apps, which isbeautiful apps for humans and
agent collaboration.
This is the agent feedcapability that you'll have in
Power Apps.
We'll be able to have an agentfeed on the left.
We saw that at Ignite and atePVC as well how you'll have a
feed that allows you to kind ofcheck the work that the agents

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have done while you've beensleeping or drinking coffee and
also if there's need for a humanin the loop.
That's where you'll kind of getprompted by your team of agents
for tasks that you have to behands-on with.
And also enterprise-ready vibecoding.
Vibe coding Whoop, whoop, whoop.
It's in the release notes.
It's a figure.
It's no longer kind of a weirdterm, it's now a term used by

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Microsoft in the officialrelease notes.
People.

Nick (05:20):
Yes, amazing.

Ulrikke (05:22):
Yeah, so you'll have app agent creates enterprise
data connected and experiences.
So this is generated pages orcode apps, um, which, uh,
generated pages, kind of aprompting, kind of app type
experience, and then code um.
Code apps is where you use procode first, usually, usually
using visual studio, github forinstance, to create your apps.

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So a lot of fun stuff.
And then you know, I read thisand I'm super excited because
there's so many new juicy thingsthat I can't wait to kind of do
, do, do, do, and then I scrollinto it and then I go um, um,
because there's nothing, there'snothing.
There's not a single freakingthing that is new.

(06:06):
It's all old.
There's nothing in there.
Everything in there has aprivate preview from 2020 that
we've already had, and then thenews is that it's GA in
September, october, 2025.
So it's all old stuff.

(06:27):
It doesn't touch on any of thethree things that I just talked
about.

Nick (06:31):
Well, yeah, in Power Apps there are some new things.
As we go through the list,there are a few things that I
know that it's going to be newand again, we said this before.
This is because Microsoft istraditionally the big
announcements are coming out atBuild or Ignite, some of these
big conferences.
I'm sure there'll be some otherbig announcements at the Power
Platform Community Summit, sothis used to be.
This is where we used to findout stuff.

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This is more hey, here's we'vewritten down the stuff we've
already talked about at Build orIgnite.
So, you're right, there arethere isn't those big whoa
moments that we used to get, butthere are a few little nuggets
in here that I noticed of goingokay, so they're announcing this
now or this is new.
So there's a few things that Isaw that I wasn't aware of and
maybe it was announced.

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I just didn't see it becausethere's so much info coming out.

Ulrikke (07:16):
Yeah, that's true.
So this is more of a structuredoverview of the things that are
coming that are kind of majorupdates and also I looked into
that.
Did you check?
Uh, the dynamic.
Let me take a breather andstart again with this power
platform specific release notes,wave?
Um, we also get one specificfor dynamic 365 apps and also

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there was another one this timewhich was co?
Um, what is it called?
Something, something, yes,something.

Nick (07:43):
Yes, the Copilot, something, something that's a
new technical term.
It is the role-based Copilotofferings.
So these are the things likethe dynamic sales Copilot, like
those Copilots that are alreadybaked into the other Dynamics
365 first-party apps.

Ulrikke (08:03):
Essentially, yeah, so our focus would really just be
on the Power Platform today,right yeah but my point was that
when I looked through theDynamics one it was the
announcements or the nuggetsthat they gave for their
products was so many like, so somany and on a very detailed
level it was like, yeah, there'sa new button here, there's a

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new grid view for this.
This is a new option you can do, and so I mean the.
The level was very granularcompared to what we have here.
I think that's also playinginto this, because what I see
from the announcements in ourrelease note is that there are
much more high level things.
They're not so user uh interfacespecific and also that comes
with, I think, the the rapidnessof the development on this

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platform.
High level things, they're notso user interface specific and
also that comes with, I think,the rapidness of the development
on this platform compared tomaybe the business application
applications.

Nick (08:53):
Yeah, yeah, probably so many things happening, yeah, and
it's a lot of the like.
Our stuff is probably the morefoundational stuff, so it's a
little bit more broad basedversus the Dynamics 365 stuff,
where a lot more user focused.
So there's probably a lot moreof these little things that kind
of stand out.

Ulrikke (09:11):
Yeah, so I think maybe the team has worked with these
release waves a little bitdifferent, because you know last
episode we talked about, nowyou can export a plan designer
plan as a PDF, for instance.
That would be a release wavenote nugget in the dynamics
series of high release wave, butit's not even mentioned in art,
right.
So the levels are completelydifferent.
So that's something to be awareof when you're actually going

(09:33):
into this.

Nick (09:34):
This reminds me more of a book of news kind of level of
abstraction, really more thanwhat we used to have, which was
much more granular right, butbut let's be fair to all the
people, the people that arelistening to this, hopefully or
probably a lot of them, you knowto keep up on all the build
announcements, all the Igniteannouncements, all the LinkedIn
feed of oh, we just announcedthis, we just announced this.

(09:55):
Hopefully, with this episodewe're going to go through, you
know, our top level picks on thelist and hopefully there are
things that you're not aware ofor you might know only heard
briefly and we can hopefullydive into a little bit of a few
of these things to give you somecontext.
So, as much as we were kind oftalking a little bit high level
of this, hopefully you do find alot.
I think these, these episodes Ifind very valuable for myself.
I hope you do as well.

Ulrikke (10:16):
Yeah, 100 percent.
Ok, so I'll let you choose yourfavorite first on this one,
just because I just poo-pooedall over the whole thing.
So let me see I have chosen onething, but I think it's the
same one you picked.
So let me see what you pickedfirst.

Nick (10:30):
I think a lot of the no, I would have to say the enhanced
form filling and model drivenapps.
I mean there's two items heresmart paste and enhanced form
filling.
I mean, I built my own modeldriven apps that I use on a day
to day basis.
This has been my bread andbutter for like 20 years and I
always know that filling outthese forms people find them

(10:50):
very tedious and that's alwaysthey gravitate back towards.
You know what?
I can just fill out an Excelsheet faster, but yeah, but
you're missing out on all thethings that you're keeping in.
Dataverse will give you.
So, with the ability to smartand paste into forms, like you
have a document, you paste itinto the form, it'll fill out
the form for you.
Other enhancements there isthat auto form where it begins

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to fill out on your behalf,depending on the use case.
Some of that's kind of like no,no, no, co-pilot, you're drunk,
versus other times like okay,yeah, you the things that I'm
kind of excited about evolvingto give the end users a better
experience in these apps.
That's my pick.

Ulrikke (11:32):
Yeah, and I'm with you all the way.
It's just that I was sodisappointed and grumpy that
they couldn already announcedwhich is something we'll get
private preview of in September2025, and they're very
optimistic on their own behalfbecause they think it's going to

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be GA the month later.
Have you ever seen a featurefrom Microsoft being ready,
going from private preview to GAin a month?
Very rarely I can't off the topof my head.

Nick (12:04):
I'm not sure if I.
Yeah, there might have been afew PowerPages things, but
behind the scenes it was, yeah,been worked on for years.
So nothing, yeah, nothing flipsthat fast.

Ulrikke (12:14):
No, and that goes for this as well.
This is not really new, it'sjust that it's an enhancement
and it's very granular as well.
It's the toggle to sync offlinedatabase with the server only
Wi-Fi for Canvas apps, which isthe ability for you now in
device status page on your app,there's a new setting where you

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can actually choose whether datashould be synced over mobile or
cellular networks or only Wi-Fi.
So this is one of thosegranular, small little things,
but it's a game changer for alot of app developers, which
this is one of those thingswhere Kemosap didn't have this
capability would mean that theycouldn't use the product, for

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instance.
So these kinds of things arevery good for the product as a
whole.

Nick (13:02):
Yeah.

Ulrikke (13:02):
Right Exciting.

Nick (13:04):
Yeah, and they talk about other things like the
streamlined header navigation.
I mean, this is always beingevolved to the headers, evolved
over the years, so again, that'sjust evolving with the times as
well.
And then the other onevisualize data with Copilot.
I think that's already sort ofbeen in play before with Power
BI and things like that.
Things that aren't mentioned,but I think because they're in
the last release wave, that onterms of Power Apps and you

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mentioned this earlier thingslike plan designer, the
generative pages, code apps,that to me, that's the focus on
Power Apps From my side.
I know it's not in the releasewave, but this is what I'm
diving into.
There's new ways to deliverapplications in Power Apps and I
think this is just reflectiveon the market with AI and all

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these other tools out there thatI'm diving into, just not
diving into playing around with.
I talked on an episode earlierabout using Replit.
There's Firebase Studio fromGoogle, there's Cursor, there's
Lovable, there's all these otherplatforms, and I think that's
helping because that's drivingall of driving the power apps

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development and things like thattoo.
So it's going to be prettyinteresting in terms of building
power apps a year's time.
I'm going to be interestingwhat our conversation is going
to be like in terms of buildingpower apps.
Are we still going to bedragging, you know, forms and
lists, or are we going to begoing a whole different way of
building apps and what we can dowith it?
So it is exciting.
I'm I'm pretty, I'm pretty keento see where this is going yeah

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, yeah, and me too.

Ulrikke (14:31):
And I see that same thing goes for power pages.
There's a reason why thereisn't a lot of new updates for
power automate.
I think these products at theend of the day, will kind of
merge into and we'll see some ofthat now and talk about
PowerPages as well how actuallywe're seeing small little signs
and steps already for how theseapplications are now or sorry,

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products are now gradually kindof moving towards one another
and also moving towards oneanother, towards the pro code
and the vibe coding space.
So this is so exciting, okay,so let's move on to Power Pages
then.

Nick (15:06):
So you get to pick first.

Ulrikke (15:08):
Oh, yay, yay.
Okay, do you want to do therun-in of the focus for Power
Pages.
Did you prepare?
Because that's usually my thing, but you can have a stab at it
if you want.

Nick (15:18):
Okay, let's see.
Let me try not to screw this up.
So I think, with PowerPages,obviously security and
compliance agent for admin.
So security of course is so bigin PowerPages because you're
not building an app for yourinternal staff, you're building
an app for the entire world andyou're exposing things like
Dataverse.
You're giving access toexternal users to use agents

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through PowerPages.
So obviously security has to behuge.
This has to be watertight inthis whole new you know this
whole new world.
So you're going to see a lot ofsecurity like that.
So security and compliancesecurity agent.
Also in terms of the user, theconvergence so let's, I'm not
going to this could be one ofour favorite features, so we'll
kind of skim over that.

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But in terms of development aswell, because, like we talked
about in Power Apps you knowdevelopment and Power Pages
there's a lot of new thingscoming and things are working on
.
That's just blowing my mind.
So of course you have securityties into that as well.
So we talked about things likecode security, scan and also ALM
.
Alm for Power Pages has evolvedso much over the last two years.

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It's kind of night and daydifference.
Deploying PowerPages in the olddays was a real pain in the
butt, but now it's gettingeasier and easier.
And even to do other thingswith the PAC, cli I'm pretty
excited about.
And of course, administrationand governance is also a big
thing, which is, yeah, kind ofthe boring side of it, but also
so important, and even that'sgetting easier for the admins to

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manage, and we talked aboutthat in our last episode as well
.
And then you know things withdesign studio.
Again, we're more I thinkthere's more stuff about Visual
Studio Code than there is aboutthe design studio itself.
So that again shows wherethings are moving.
So what was the one thing thatreally stood out to you here?

Ulrikke (17:02):
So the one thing that stood out to me was the unified
PowerPages authorization bymerging web roles with data or
security roles, which may notseem like a big thing to most
people, but to me this is huge.
So, specifically, what this iswhen a user logs in through a

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PowerPages site, it is a contactperiod.
There's no way around it.
You have to use that contactand also the way that we secure
to see the authorization for whocan see what kind of content it
is web roles that is kind ofthe security roles can see what
kind of content it is web rolesthat is kind of the security

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roles.
Now what's going to happen isevery single contact is going to
be linked to a user as a systemuser that we have in dataverse.
So if you use a canvas app andyou log into a canvas app, you
are then authenticated as asystem user or a user.
Those two things will be linkedout of the box, synchronously,
automatically, and also all webroles that are used for the

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contact and through PowerPageswill be linked to Dataverse
security roles.
So there's a one-to-one betweenthe user and the contact and
also the web roles to thesecurity roles, which means, in
extension, what you'll do iswhen a PowerPages person is
logging in through a PowerPagessite, they're not just

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authorized through that layer atthe front, the client side.
This also means thatsecurity-wise, they're
authenticated through on theDataverse site, which means that
you remove a layer that we cannow remove in terms of data
retrieval and it opens up somuch in terms of security,

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performance and alsotraceability, because if a user
on your site so you have acontact logging into PowerPages,
they make a change on a record.
We could not see in theDataverse site which user that
was.
It would say system user orsometimes it would rename it to
portal user, just to give someinsights.
That can now be the system user.

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So you'll actually have acompletely new kind of level of
traceability and loggability andalso in terms of security and
governance.
That's huge.
And also another thing we havestruggled to identify, if
there's because PowerPages canbe used for both external and
internal users and the last yearI've seen such an increase in

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people asking me how to usePowerPages for internal users
because it's cheaper for $2 perlogin is cheaper than having
premium licenses for internalusers.
So you have a very specific usecase, actually more and more
people using PowerPages insteadof model-driven apps, and in
that scenario, now what you cando is you can actually connect
that person logging in throughyour internal site directly to

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that site sorry, that usersystem user which is also
connected to your Entra ID, andthat is also something that's
very new.
And also that means that we cannow check and have a different
way of identifying if someone isan internal user or an external
user when they log in as well.

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So suddenly you have a wholenew set of mechanisms here that
will just and also when you putagents because now you soon have
the ability to deploy or topublish agents to PowerPages
sites from CodePredator Studiowhen someone authenticates
through that agent, they canauthenticate through this

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security model instead of as acontact.
That is a game changer.
That means suddenly they haveaccess to everything on the
inside that they should haveaccess to, depending on the
security roles, which addsanother layer, and I'm just so
excited about this.
So for me, the whole releaseI've been waiting for this and
just to see this pop up, it justmade my day.

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This is my favorite over all ofthe things in this whole thing.

Nick (21:02):
Yeah, this is what stood out to me too.
It was one of these things whenthey first talked about it
we're going to merge.
We're going to merge like we'renot merged but kind of have a
link between contacts and systemusers.
When I saw that thatinformation come out like a
while back, I'm like, okay, this, it kind of reminds me back in
the old ADX days.
There was a way you couldactually tie a user to a contact

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like back, and it was somethingokay, we just going back to
that again.
But then once the brain the gearstarted turning, like well,
this means this, this means it,and all the things that you
listed kind of came up in mymind, especially the
traceability.
How many times have we hadcustomers come to us and say we
want to know if Bob logs in andBob changes something through
the portal.
We want to know that Bob did itand not the portal user that

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did it.
How can we track that?
And there was ways, but it wasalways a little bit clunky and
workaround.
This eliminates that layer.
So even just that piece out ofso many other things is, to me,
is one of these, the greatfallout of this new feature.
And it was my.
So that was that was.
It was my favorite as well.
So my second favorite was theability a smaller one in ALM to
create and delete sites usingthe Pax CLI.
So this to me again helps withthe whole ALM in terms of

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provisioning PowerPages sites.
If you wanted to provision adevelopment site, you had to go
through some manual steps tomake that happen and set up an
environment, deploy the solutionand then, once the solution is
deployed, you had to go in andcreate the site based on that
metadata, different things likethat.
This to me, helps automate thatmore.
So again, we're getting to thatpoint where we can, if we need

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to build individual developerenvironments.
Here's a script, run the script, boom, there you go.
Of course, we have the GitHubintegration and all this other
things happening.
Like all these pieces aren'tperfect yet, but they're coming
together.
So eventually I'll be able tosay, oh, you're a developer,
you're working on here.
Boom, you're going to check outthis stuff, do your code, don't
interfere with what I'm doing,and we'll be able to nicely

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merge it all back together againall automatically.
I know that's a dream world,but I think we're getting closer
to that.
So the little things like this,like the Pax CLI, be able to
create and delete sites through.
That is helping move thatforward.

Ulrikke (23:15):
Yeah, and doesn't this also tie into the code, the
single page application thingthat you'll now be able to with
Pax CLI to create your sites aspart of that as well?
Without that you wouldn't beable to start off with code.
So this is kind of one of theenablers, also from the Pax CLI
perspective, to enable procoders to start in Visual Studio
Code and not having toprovision a PowerPages site from
the interface first and thenkind of start developing it.
So I think that's part of it aswell.

Nick (23:37):
Yeah, and then the other quick things code security scan.
So you're writing code or yourGitHub Copilot's writing code.
You'll be able to scan thatit's using a service.
It's listed in the servicethey're using, but that's make
sure your code is secure.
And then, of course, othersecurity agents and admin trust
agents.
So threat detection, ddsattacks, other things like that

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that could be attacking yourpower.
This is the benefit of usingPower Pages from Microsoft,
because with these tools, theseare things that you don't have
to worry about.
That's always a question If weuse PowerPages is it secure?
What was happening in thesecurity side?
There's a white paper that's acouple years old now that's
still very valuable that I giveout to clients in terms of the
security of PowerPages.

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But this takes it to the nextlevel because now you have AI
monitoring that site and lettingyou know if there are things
happening that shouldn't behappening.
So this is exciting as well forPowerPages.
Yeah, yeah.

Ulrikke (24:33):
And we touched on that on the last episode as well.
You have that new kind of thesecurity space or center or
whatever it was called.
And then you have the securityand compliance agent fragments

(24:53):
and the security agent.
You know there's agents nowthat, like you said, they're
going, yeah, and I didn't knowwhat that was.
Um, so maybe someone elsedoesn't know.
It's that denial of service.
It's overwhelming the serverswith traffic to jam it.
That's kind of what thoseattacks are.
And that is, uh, not only forpower pages, but it specifically
said that in the canvas appthing as well, with the enhanced
security thing.
From what I can tell just bykind of reading through this,

(25:17):
that that is now a very commonthing.
It's growing.
Those kinds of attacks are verynow trending.

Nick (25:26):
Well, because all these hackers and the bad people in
the world guess what?
They're using something calledAI to enhance their efforts for
phishing and everything likethat.
So already it was a bigwhack-a-mole.
You're fighting hackers andwhatever.
Now these hackers have tools,so you have to.
How do you fight fire?
You fight fire with fire, soyeah.

Ulrikke (25:48):
Yeah, right, are you ready to move on to Power
Automate?

Nick (25:52):
Yes, let's go through the process and move on to the next
thing.
Like a Power Automate flow,flow into the next one, woo.

Ulrikke (26:00):
Pun Wee All, right All right.
Okay, so for Power Automate,the focus for this release is
two things.
So it's AI first dynamic,multimodal and self-healing
automations.
We've heard that before and Istill don't believe it,
Mm-hmmaling automations.

Nick (26:17):
We've heard that before and I still don't believe it,
mm-hmm I know, isn't it?

Ulrikke (26:19):
With built-in AI through generative actions and
intelligent document processing.
They've used chat to be dataright.
This whole thing.

Nick (26:27):
There's so many.

Ulrikke (26:28):
Oh, haven't you seen it ?
The end dashes are everywhere.
And also the epic.
There's epic journeys in here,nick, come on.
I mean hello, alright, so richhuman in the loop experiences.
But these are the intelligentdocument processing.
This is AI builder things,because AI builder got a lot of

(26:51):
news and updates this springwith, for instance, things like
document processing, so they'veadded new templates to AI
Builder, which has very specificuse cases things, and then
those are, of course, a part ofPower Automate, so that's what
that is.
And then also Enterprise Readyyeah, the new process map that

(27:13):
we talked about.
A few episodes ago which blew mymind completely and I
absolutely love it and I use itall the time which allows you to
see kind of parent and childflows and workflows, uh, in kind
of a process map kind of things, to see where data flows and
how that works.
It's absolutely so fun, um.
So yeah, that is kind of thethe focus, uh, for this round,

(27:34):
and I will let you talk aboutyour favorite first, because
this is again one of thoselittle, a little bit
underwhelming yeah.

Nick (27:44):
And this is something we've talked about and I think
it exists in preview, but it'sthe expression creation, editing
, because that is the one thingthat always trips me up is
writing expressions and tryingto figure, trying to cut and
paste, and I have a oneNote fullof samples that I copied over
the years, Because it's just youknow, it's just natural
language and it's you know, it'sall code coding functions.

Ulrikke (28:06):
It should be so intuitive, Come on you need a
page.

Nick (28:11):
I've written assembly code .
I've written assembly code.
That's easier to read thanfreaking expressions, I know.

Ulrikke (28:16):
Can you just write JavaScript in there?
It's so happy.

Nick (28:20):
Yeah, just give me JavaScript, Give me even Power
Facts in there, for, anyways,we're ranting, and now we don't
need to rant, because we'regoing to have a co-pilot that's
going to help us with naturallanguage.

Ulrikke (28:37):
I kid you not, I use that every single day.
I've become so lazy, so lazy.
I use it every day, is it GA?

Nick (28:44):
December.
It will be December.
It will be GA.

Ulrikke (28:47):
I use that in production.

Nick (28:49):
Here's your Christmas present.

Ulrikke (28:51):
Yay, no, and actually no for something I use so much
and it's not in production.
And actually no for somethingI've used so much and it's not
in production.
I use it in dev, of course, andthen it's provisioned through
production.
But, yeah, this is fantasticphenomenal and I feel like I'm
learning, but I don't think I'mlearning because I'm using it
for the same thing again andagain, so I don't think it
sticks, but it creates betterexpressions, for sure, than what

(29:13):
I did in the past.

Nick (29:14):
So, yeah and yeah, sorry, I was going to say what's your
favorite?
That was mine.

Ulrikke (29:18):
Okay, so now I'm going to do the thing that you're not
allowed to do, because I have afavorite, but then I have
something related to what yousaid that I want to say first.
Can I do that?

Nick (29:29):
Yeah, go for it.

Ulrikke (29:30):
You need to let Hudson in or open the door for Hudson.
Yeah, I know, I know he doesn'tcome in.
He just wants the door to beopen.
Hey, hudson, he wants water.
Hang in, you talk and I'll getwater.
Okay, I'll talk.
So what Nick was talking aboutwas the expression helper that
you get.
But also there's some news thatis related to this, which is

(29:52):
debug easily into conditionactions at runtime.
It's going to be GA in December2025.
So that's a few months away.
Did you hear what I said?
Debug easy into conditionactions at runtime.
It doesn't say much.

Nick (30:06):
Oh yeah, is this the self-healing stuff?

Ulrikke (30:09):
No.
So this feature will simplifythe debugging experience of the
condition action after you runyour flows, because you have a
condition debugging experienceof the condition action after
you've run your flows, becauseyou can have, you have a
condition and then you can havemultiple rows in that condition
and it will render true or false.
But it will only render true orfalse and when you run your
flow you can't really go in andsee what was what happened,

(30:32):
which one of these lines failedor succeeded or was there a
difference what?
happened to each one of them.
Now you can, after you're onyour flow and it fails, or it
validates, is true or succeeds,you can go in and see okay, what
line, what condition was itthat came through or failed, or
what's going on which is great,perfect, which was not my

(30:52):
favorite but yeah, isn't it?

Nick (30:55):
yeah, oh, it's great, because debugging flows is a
pain in the butt.
Sometimes it is and it isn't,because, yeah, you have the
little X, but you're right.
You go in like okay, and youlook at the message and it's all
this big mess of XML andwhatever else.

Ulrikke (31:07):
So, yeah, but, yeah, my favorite was actually because
it was so underwhelmed I chosethe build desktop flows with
record, with Copilot, and thisis desktop flows.
So it's not your cloud flows,but it's the RPA one, which now

(31:30):
you have been able to do thisfor a while.
It was public preview inSeptember 2024, and it will be
GA December 2025.
So the news is that it will beGA, and I was in Agnes' session
about desktop flows at EPPC andhe talked about this and how it
is so not done.
It is very unreliable, it isn'tworking as it should and it has

(31:54):
a lot of errors to it.
So to see that they're actuallystill investing in it to the
point where it all will be GA inDecember is very, very good.
But it also depends on yourfeedback, and I don't know if
you've seen this, but I seeincreasingly, I see marketers
actually saying, reaching out,saying we cannot GA this until
we get more feedback.
So you need to give us feedbackfor us to be able to validate

(32:18):
this.
I think in the last Power Appspolls with Eliza, she actually
said that we are waiting to GAthis but because we don't have
the feedback we need, we needmore people to try it out and to
give us feedback.
So it's on us as well to pushthese dates forward.
So if you want to see somethingkind of progress a little bit,
it's maybe a good idea to givemore feedback.

Nick (32:40):
Just a little hint, yeah, and we should maybe at some
point.
Let's, I don't have it in frontof me, but we should probably
give people the channels of howto provide feedback.
Like, there is the feedbackwebsite and stuff, but there are
other ways to provide thatfeedback so you can.

Ulrikke (32:59):
If you're trying something, it doesn't work, a
proper place to funnel that, sothey can take a look at it, yeah
, and also I'm told and you mayknow this better than I do that
they actually do look at thetelemetry behind the thumbs up
and thumbs down and those kindsof things.

Nick (33:10):
Yeah, it's interesting because I did do the build flows
by recording with Copilot, butit's the same thing.
Do the build flows by recordingwith Copilot, but it's the same
thing.
I found it very clunky.
Every time I would clicksomewhere, I would be constantly
re-editing the steps to fix.

Ulrikke (33:23):
But the new one with Copilot is supposed to also be
smart so that if you kind ofconnect so if you're scraping a
website, right, and you find asubmit button and then next
release, they move that buttonaround then it's supposed to be
smart enough to actuallyrecognize that the button has
moved and then continue withyour flow so that it doesn't

(33:44):
break.
But it is good in theory, butfrom what I can tell and from
what I hear from other MVPcolleagues, it doesn't yet that
well.

Nick (33:53):
But like everything, it takes time, and the feedback as
well.
It'll be interesting.
This to me, always confuses mewith computer use.
That we'll probably talk aboutin a bit.

Ulrikke (34:06):
Yeah, so let's move on then to Copilot Studio.
So the focus for Copilot Studiowas a bit long and tedious, so
I kind of made a little summary.
Do you want me to go through it?

Nick (34:20):
Yeah, if you made a summary, perfect, because I'm
just looking at it and it's likelong and tedious.

Ulrikke (34:24):
Yeah.
So the first thing I noticedwas that it's it looks like it's
going to be a tighterintegration with Microsoft 365
Copilot.
These we are now in the contextof Microsoft Copilot Studio,
which is the studio you use tocreate Copilot Studio agents and
chats.
Microsoft 365 Copilot is kindof the same but also different.

(34:45):
It lives in Microsoft 365, butfrom the release notes it looks
like the studio experiences aremoving closer together because
you can create agents fromMicrosoft 365 Copilot as well,
and those two are kind ofdifferent experiences.
Now it looks like they may becoming together, which is very
good.
And then it talks about Copilottuning, which will provide

(35:07):
capacity for fine-tuned andtrained models based on specific
data, ensuring that agents havetimely access to relevant
information, which is very good,which means that you can tune
your co-pilot to be more yourorganization specific in its
answers and the work that itdoes.
Agent teams, enhancedgovernance capabilities,

(35:31):
monitoring and elevation of eachevaluation of each agent's
performance it's also somethingthey're investing in and then
pro code capabilities.
So this feature enables agentsto create an encoded studio to
be developed by makers whilebeing edited and managed by
professional software teams.
So it's about kind of enablingcomplete reimagination of a

(35:55):
business application landscapewhich is also chat, gpt, talk.
But there you go.
And then, of course, bring yourown model.
So Co-op Highest Studio willoffer the enhanced integration
models and services from AzureAI Foundry, which includes now I
think it's 1,100 differentmodels, and you can also create
your own model.
Bring that into the fold.
This was announced at Ignite inMay and this means that Copa de

(36:21):
Ciro agents can leverage thefull range of Microsoft AI
technology landscape.
So there's really nolimitations to what you can do.
But again, there's no news.
Most of these announcements waspublic preview from May 25 and
DA October 25, except for onething.

(36:41):
But I'll let you go with yourfavorite first.

Nick (36:43):
Well, the one that stood out to me was the.
Again we talked about thebuilding flows with Copilot and
Power Automate Desktop, but thenthey're also talking about
computer use, which instead ofbuilding flows we're building
agents, but kind of followingusing the computer use.
And the concept computer use isnot a Microsoft term, it's kind

(37:05):
of used industry wide.
So there's other players in themarket that are creating
computer use applications.
So this is Microsoft's versionof it.
Again, I'm hoping it will worka little bit better than maybe
the Copilot desktop flows.
Now Maybe it's using the sametechnology, maybe it's just the
same thing under a differentwrapper, I don't know.

(37:25):
But the idea here is it's morethan just power platform stuff.
It's just doing everything onthe computer.
So going into those older userinterfaces, going to things that
don't have APIs, but even froma fact of just going building an
agent okay, I need an agent todo this and you have to go
through and Copilot Studio andkind of build out those actions
or build out this this is a wayof just kind of following along

(37:48):
a little bit and kind ofrecording that.
So that's my understanding ofthat.
Like I said, it's one of thesethings I'm cautiously optimistic
about because I think thiscould really help move us into
more and more people to useagents, if I can actually go
through and get it to dosomething.
But it's something that I doevery day myself.
But now, if I kind of walkthrough an agent, here's what

(38:10):
you need to do.
It's kind of like training anew employee.
Here are the steps, here's whatyou need to do, here's where
you need to click.
You got it, you got the steps,you wrote them down.
You did good, good, okay, nowyou go do it and then I can go
and do my other work.
So we'll see.

Ulrikke (38:24):
I'm so glad you said employee, because I thought you
were going to say monkey, butyou didn't.
So that's very good.
No, okay.

Nick (38:32):
No.

Ulrikke (38:34):
Okay, can you explain to me what the difference
between RPA and computer use is,because I'm confused.
No, I don't know, it's the samething.

Nick (38:42):
Okay, sorry, you're right, it is the same Chat to BT.
Okay, perfect.

Ulrikke (38:46):
I'm not sure if I can talk to Chat to BT while we're
recording, so I typed, becauseusually I would just talk to it.
Okay, so regular computer use.
No, not fake or log into your.
Oh, come on, smart is smart,not smart.
Okay, so it's saying that oneis ai enabled, one is not.

(39:07):
So this is manual.
I'm doing stuff manually.
I don't think so.
Computer use you driving RPAself-driving bot doing your
chores?
So don't think it.
You at the keyboard.
Someone I'm asking, not me atthe keyboard, but computer use
with AI Coppola Studio.
Ah, now we're talking.
You're asking about thedifference between RPA and

(39:29):
AI-powered computer use, likewith Coppola Studio.
Right, let's pop to here tolook at how these compare.
So it's telling me that robotprocess automation, rpa.
It mimics the humaninteractions with computers,
it's structured, it's role-based, it doesn't think.
It just follows the instructionthat you gave it.
For instance move all these froma phone.

(39:50):
Right, that's the monkey or thejunior employee.
Ai-powered computer use,copilot, copilot Studio, et
cetera.
Uses more natural language,understanding machine learning
and reasoning.
It's great at unstructuredtasks like understanding your
intent, summarizing emails,answering questions, and it
feels like you're talking to asmart assistant programming a
robot.

(40:11):
Hey, copilot, summarize thelast five expense reports and
draft a reply to our financialteam, right, okay?
So the difference between themare kind of the one needs very.
It's like comparing a classicPower, Automate workflow sorry,
flow, cloud flow and an agent,which one you give a task or a

(40:35):
goal and then it goes offthrough the tool, using the
tools it has at its disposal,Whereas the other one is do this
, do this, do this, do that, andif this then that.

Nick (40:44):
So that is probably the difference your monkey, one's
your monkey and one is your highperforming executive assistant.

Ulrikke (40:53):
Yeah, I don't think it's politically correct to say
say monkey, but uh, we're notand we're just us, so we can say
whatever we want oh, we'regonna.
We're gonna get canceled overthis anyways yeah, we still
haven't seen if we're renewed asmvps yet.
So yeah um, yeah, everyone'swaiting.
I actually saw the other daysomeone made a joke that they

(41:15):
made a Spotify playlist for MVPswaiting for their renewals,
because all we do all day isjust sit and refresh on the
thing.
Mvps Horrible people.
I need to find my notes, I know.
I know If I get renewed I'llput mine up there somewhere.
I'm going to have a shelf thingon the back, like everyone else

(41:37):
has.
I can have all the brag walllike everyone else.

Nick (41:41):
Hey.

Ulrikke (41:43):
I chose something else Because again, I am grumpy
teenager mode and I thought Iwould choose the one thing which
is actually new.
When I read through this I wasin a foul mood.
I was like give me news, I'mnot interested, I don't care, I

(42:03):
don't care if this is the mostimportant thing, I just care
that it's new.
Give me the news.
Poor people, we can't call thisthe highlights.
We're just going to go withUlrika's teenage rant, thing
Right.

Nick (42:15):
You know what I should going to?
I should edit in that scenefrom Harry Potter where Dudley's
going.
Last year I got 34 presents andnow I only have 33.

Ulrikke (42:26):
Oh, yeah, you're right.
Yeah, do that.
Okay, more editing for Nick.
Okay.
So my top pick, my favoritething, was test and deep, and
this actually does get meexcited, and we talked about
this before.
It's enough test and debugagent action in copilot studio.
So it's going to be ga november2025 and it's not new, but it's

(42:48):
kind of new.
So this was something thatkendra um demoed at ignite or at
the powerful devs conference, Ican't be sure, but remember I
was so overly excited about howyou can now.
So you have a Copilot Studioagent, you create it or a bot or
a chat, sorry.
And then you want to test it.

(43:09):
And so you ask and you tell ithuh, I need you to test yourself
.
And it's like, oh, I can dothat, I can test myself.
And then it creates a testscript for it to test itself.
And then it goes, oh, I needtest data.
And you go, ah, yes, you do.
Can you create your own testdata?
Yes, I can.
And then you go, no, I'm readyto be tested.

(43:29):
And they're like can you testyourself?
By providing clear andactionable testing information,
you can easily understand andimplement the necessary steps
without confusion.
This is one thing.
Then the second thing isdebugging and recommendations it
will feature, such as plug-inrun history, inline
recommendation and workflowvisibility, are invaluable.

(43:49):
So this is what you getinsights into when you debug and
test your core by the studioagent.
And also the last one,simulated test data.
Creating a set of test dataallows you to verify the
functionality of your actions ina controlled environment.
So this is crucial, and this isreally where the juice is in
this announcement, I think,because this is where you
actually get that tested andyou're able to test it and see

(44:11):
the results of your agent beforeyou publish it, which is really
valuable.
And also, codebuddy Studio doesnot run credits until you
publish it in a productionenvironment, so it is free of
charge until you do that.
For now, who knows?
Okay, whoop, whoop, hey, okay,so dataverse and the next things

(44:33):
are.
So the last kind of product onthe lineup is microsoft
dataverse, but also we have newsand updates for our microsoft
power platform governance andadministration, which is not
listed in the top as a topic,but it's still here, and then we
have a list of deprecationsthat we should look at.
So do you want to do the kindof focus areas for Microsoft

(44:55):
Dataverse?

Nick (44:55):
Yeah, I can do that.
I should have, while you wereasking, co-pilot stuff, I should
have queued that up.
But basically it's likeeverything else.
Dataverse the overview forthose you know, of course,
everybody knows Dataverse, thetrusted low-code data platform
where we build everything on topof including, like co-pilots,

(45:17):
applications, automations, allthe fun stuff.
Of course, the Dynamics 365products.
A lot of them sit on top ofDataverse as well.
So, of course, dataverse foragents, you know, build
autonomous agents,human-in-the-loop capabilities,
especially from Co-Pilot Studio,and also broader power platform
ecosystem.
And, of course, dataverse isthe foundational platform.
Dataverse Search, yeah.

(45:39):
So investment areas oh yeah,big one here.
We've already talked about this.
This keeps blowing my mind DataModel Context Protocol, the MCP
server.
When I first saw that beingannounced, I was like, oh,
that's interesting.
I started playing with it and Ithought this is actually very
cool.
And then I saw a demonstrationthis past week on MCP Server.

(46:00):
There is a blog post that we'lltalk about in our next episode
about this MCP Servers.
This is the next big thing.
They mentioned it here in theoverview, not so much in the new
things, because it's alreadybeen out there.
This is a game changer, I think, in terms of talking to
Dataverse.
It just does so many things.
Obviously there's things aroundthat.

(46:20):
I know we'll talk about thenews and updates in our next
episode, but Nathan Rose had apost this morning that really
gave a really great overview ofDataverse MCP.
So before we talk about thatnext time, do check out that
post, if you can find it.
Of course, other things AI forbusiness and operational data.
Of course you know promptcolumns and things that we
talked about in our last episodeenterprise data and co-pilot

(46:44):
extending co-pilots throughknowledge and action.
So again, it's huge.
Just overall, there's Dataverse.
A lot of this stuff kind ofspins and comes from Dataverse.
Yeah, so yeah.

Ulrikke (46:58):
Positioning Dataverse as the foundation of everything.
Right.
So Dataverse has always beenthere and, like you said in the
beginning, it's not that it'snew, but it's just kind of
solidifying Dataverse as thefoundational base layer of
everything is built on Dataverse, which also, of course, in turn
, is built on Azure, which kindof yeah, means we're going full

(47:20):
circle.

Nick (47:22):
Right, so what was your favorite?
Sorry, go ahead.

Ulrikke (47:25):
I just wanted to touch on something, because it says in
the description while CopaStudio comes to the built-in
Dataverse, such as via Dataverseconnections, and plugins
exposed as APIs or as MCP server, they're two distinct plugin
systems which are different inarchitecture and in purpose, and

(47:45):
this I didn't realize becauseI'm not as pro-Cody as I want to
think.
So this was kind of I don'tknow.
It stood out to me so I wantedto kind of rephrase it for
everyone.
These co-pilot plugins extendthe conversational abilities of
an AI, co-pilots and agents viaAPIs.
So the co-pilot plugin whereasthe Dataverse plugin are C-sharp

(48:11):
components that run in asandbox process with the
dataverse and are used toenforce business logic directly
within the dataverse.
So because we've had dataverse,plugins is what we refer to as
plugins.
So if I talk to Thomas on Sarahand I say plugin, this is what
he thinks about dataverseplugins right Old thing that can
talk to your data.

(48:32):
Now Copilot plugins aren't thesame thing at all.
They're two completelydifferent things.
The Copilot plugin is MCPserver supported and has the
conversational abilities of AICopilots and Agents via the APIs
.
So I just wanted to highlightthose two different things for
people because that cleared up alot of things in my head going

(48:54):
ah, because you read plugins andyou think, ah, it's the same
thing, it's not.
So making sure peopleunderstand the difference
between a Dataverse plugin andthe Copilot plugin when we talk
about MCP server for Dataverse,which can be a bit confusing.
So yeah, it stood out to me.
So it's not me I would bring itup for other people, didn't
really?
get that to begin with, so I'lllet you go first, because I need

(49:17):
to clear my throat.

Nick (49:18):
Right, so along with that.
So my top pick, I mean, it'snot listed, but we talk about
MCP servers.
Like I said, this to me is whatmy big focus is.
What I love about Dataverseright now and all the potential
that that could potentiallybring.
Of course, I have questions onit.
There's still some confusionaround some of these educations

(49:39):
about performance, but I alsothink this opens up the door to
interact with Dataverse from notjust Power Platform but other
applications as well, whichcould be pretty interesting.
But then we actually talk aboutwhat's coming in terms of the
release plan.
One thing that stood out to menot that I would say it's my
favorite, but it was the restoredeleted records.

(50:00):
What.
What triggered me on this waspretty interesting because it's
about like having a recycle binof sorts with your dataverse.
If you, we've talked about this.
This came up in an episode afew months ago.
We talked about this, aboutdeleting records in Dataverse
Like, oh crap, you've deletedrecords.

(50:20):
How do you get it back?
There is this feature that'sgoing to be GA in October
apparently where you'd be ableto restore those deleted records
within a certain amount of time.
It's interesting for those ofyou who let's go in the way back
machine around CRM versionthree days.
The way it used to delete usedto work for efficiency when you
deleted something it actuallyjust flagged the record.

(50:41):
And then there was a job thatran at midnight and deleted
those records in SQL server.
This is back in the on-premdays.
If you wanted to hack to havethat ability to restore deleted
data, you would just shut thatservice off.
So when you had customers thatcome and said, hey, we deleted
data, can we get it back?
Yeah, no problem, you would gointo SQL and flip the little bit

(51:02):
and restore those records.
And that actually saved a fewof my customers a few times,
because it not so much that weshut the service off, that it
just quit running because it wasjust one of these things that
no one paid attention to.
So it just quit running becauseit was just one of these things
that no one paid attention to.
So, anyways, that's a littlebit of a history lesson.
But now, going back, this issomething that I think it's in
terms of data.
It is something like, of course, if you delete a, we delete a

(51:22):
file or something, we can alwaysgo back to our recycle bin and
get it.
So this is something restoringdeleted records, so that was
something that kind of probablythe big thing that stood out to
me.
Like I said, like you said,there's not a lot of new stuff,
it's kind of regurgitating a lotof that's already out there.
The other thing so, going onthat, the ability to enable
third party publishers topublish agent ready connectors

(51:45):
Again, I think this sort ofbegins to tie into the MCP
aspects Again, third partyproducts being able to talk to
Dataverse a lot more actively, Iguess, or a lot more cleanly.
So those are the things thatpopped up for me for Dataverse.

Ulrikke (51:57):
Yeah, and for me it was increased relevance with column
selection support, which isprivate preview in October 2025,
which means that you canconfigure.
Is it tabular knowledge?
You can configure which columnsyou want Copilot to access.
Meaning you can actually thennot having to, so you can choose

(52:22):
which columns in a tableCopilot should have access to or
should use, and that has moreto do with performance than
anything else.
It does not have to index andloop through the columns that
you do not need it to haveaccess to.
So it's about optimizingcapacity and avoiding
over-indexing of unused columns,it's about query performance

(52:43):
and it's about relevancy.
So that was kind of what Ilooked into.
Okay, so moving on, microsoftPart Platform Governance and
Administration.
In this wave they will furtherenrich the admin center
experience and there's a lot ofnew things here.
So they talk about managedsecurity that is tailored

(53:05):
specifically for an AI-drivenworld.
They talk about managedgovernance delivers
comprehensive visibility,granular control and reduced
administrative overhead.
It's about enabling IT to kindof get insight into what's going
on.
Managed operations strengthensoperational excellence through

(53:26):
dedicated monitoring, alteringand lifecycle management tools
and also managed availability.
So enterprise grade reliabilityand performance for mission
critical workloads, and I seethis enterprise grade a lot.
I've heard Microsoft kind of uptheir use of the word the last

(53:47):
maybe six months, and in this itwould be fun to do a kind of a
search and find to see how manytimes that is kind of throughout
the whole document, becausethat keeps coming up, as if they
have something to prove, andthis is something that comes up
often in conversations withcustomers as well.
So, yeah, is it secure?
Is the price ready?
It's like, well, yes, the datais new, so it is like they're

(54:11):
trying to prove something.
So do you have anythingspecific for the governance
things that came up that you?
wanted to highlight.

Nick (54:18):
What jumped out at me was the zoned governance strategies.
Oh yeah, that I found prettyinteresting because it's kind of
, I think right now we're kindof in an all or nothing process.
It's like, okay, I need this, Ineed that.
Well, you don't have permissionto that, let me do that for you
.
So you have to pester Like wewe've been.
I think you and I have been ina situation where we've had to

(54:40):
pester the you know it admin andsome of the projects we've
worked on, and then it's thenit's the typical it response
Well, is there a ticket numberfor it?
And this, and like this,fricking, do it and help us out
this way with the zone.
Like, okay, just give me my,give me my sandbox, give me my
zone I'm, this is green zonestuff.
When we're ready to move toproduction, then we can move
into the other zones.
Or this way it gives a lot offlexibility, yet still keeping

(55:03):
those, those gates and thesecurity which admins actually
should be concerned about.
But this is one of those, uh,those those new things there.
So it's great to see, see thatmore of these features coming
into play where we again canprotect the system yet still
have the flexibility.
So that's the balance, theflexibility versus security,

(55:24):
which is always the tight ropethat people are walking.
So this just gives more toolsin the box to help with that
whole process and have a goodyou know coherence with, you
know, both sides of both sidesof that.
And, yeah, enterprise ready.
It's funny because I've heardthat, even when I was working at
Microsoft, they were alwaysabout the battle tested and the
enterprise ready.
And, of course, power platformis well, this is just a new

(55:48):
thing from Microsoft.
No, it's built on technologythat's been around time and then
the double edged sword of thatgoing well then that's old tech,
like you know, we want the newstuff, like okay.
So you know, this is at the endof the day.
I think there's actually apretty good balance.
Yes, this thing has been battletested, it is enterprise, it
has some, yes, there might besome legacy to it, but it is

(56:11):
solid and it is evolving.
And it is evolving with the newthings, of course, with the
agents and the AI, and I'veheard some people sort of say,
well, it almost needs to berebuilt, and I'm like I don't
think so.
I think it's proven and itactually does lend itself well
to this new AI world.

Ulrikke (56:25):
Please don't rebuild it .
Oh, please don't.

Nick (56:27):
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no , don't oh.

Ulrikke (56:31):
I just felt that in my body, so physically, just no, no
, please don't say that again.

Nick (56:37):
I won't Never Okay.

Ulrikke (56:40):
I just did a quick search.
I just did a quick search in adocument Enterprise.
You find it.
It's 45 times.

Nick (56:46):
It's a 70-page document, enterprise ready.

Ulrikke (56:49):
Enterprise, ready Enterprise, great Enterprise,
everything.
So what did I talk?

Nick (56:56):
The Restoring Deleted Records GA 2025, October 2025,
Enabling Third Parties toPublish Agent Ready Connectors
GA November 2025.

Ulrikke (57:05):
Oh, okay, so I what stood out to me?
Yeah, sorry.

Nick (57:09):
Oh no, so we're talking about governance.
Sorry, governments.
Yeah, a lot of November,october 2025.
Yeah, Okay.
Yeah, so this year I mean well.
So it's one of those one-month,two-month water kids as well.

Ulrikke (57:37):
Let's see if they can keep to that schedule.
It's about updates to the userinterface to accommodate for
assignment of privileges and theability to perform limited
administrative operations viaAPI only, which, to me, just
that one little sentence.
Update the user interface toaccommodate for the assignment
of privileges Yay, does thatmean we get yet another version

(58:02):
of the roles assignment thing?
Because someone keeps tellingme things about that that I
don't know and I've tried to usea new one and then I go back to
the old one and then peoplekeep giving me like, do you know
that you can click the row andthen all of the privileges
update at once?
I'm like, wow, you just savedme four hours of clicking.
And can you imagine what thisunlocks if we can then suddenly

(58:22):
do these operations via apis andso, and then configure
environment lifecycle operationsin bulk, such as backing up
environments, restoring frombackup and deleting environments
, and more bulk operations fromthe administrative side.
And then also specialization,by allowing users to experience
a certain expertise in certainareas to manage relevant

(58:46):
environments efficiently.
This is something we talkedabout on another episode, I
think in May-ish, where you canhave expertise in a certain area
.
This kind of goes back to whatyou were saying as well.
So controlled accessefficiently, scalability and
specialization as kind of thefour key factors here, which is
really exciting, right?

(59:08):
So let's wrap it up.
We are now at an hour again.
Even though we say we're goingto, these usually are longer and
yeah, so we're okay.
Deprecations anything stood outfor you?
Did you check the deprecationsat all?

Nick (59:24):
It's funny because the deprecations actually are just
links to the MS Learn articlesthat talk about deprecations and
really there's nothing thatreally jumped out to me of
anything.
I mean there are certain thingsDeprecation of cards for Power

(59:45):
Apps we knew that already.
Yeah, there's a few things.
A lot of the reason why thesethings are being deprecated is
they're not being used andprobably things that.
So if it's something, thedeprecations used to mean a
little bit more.
If there are certain thingslike I think of the um, uh, not

(01:00:06):
the, the, the not the processflow or the interactive thing
that was in like Dynamics 365,that went away.

Ulrikke (01:00:16):
That we don't even remember anymore.

Nick (01:00:17):
We don't even remember anymore.

Ulrikke (01:00:19):
Yeah, no one's using it .

Nick (01:00:22):
Yeah.
So some of those things hadimpact.
But again, it is good to keepan eye on these things just in
case there is something that youhappen to be using that might
be kind of going out of style.
There's a few things too.
There's always the rumors of,well, Microsoft is going to get
rid of classic workflows orthey're going to deprecate them.
First off, yeah, in terms ofyou've got to realize the

(01:00:44):
difference between deprecationand deletion.
Deprecation means they're notgoing to invest or build on or
add new features to when adeletion means that feature is
physically going to be removedand taken away.
So when you talk about thingsbeing deprecated and even then
there's certain rules withinMicrosoft in terms of the timing

(01:01:04):
of these things, theannouncements, the ability to
have a migration path to movefrom one to another.
So you again, if you're workingwith something and you're
worried, you share a rumor thatit's going to be deprec.
You again, if you're workingwith something and you're
worried, you keep.
You share a rumor that it'sgoing to be deprecated.
That doesn't mean next monthit's going to be taken away.
Now, that being said, certainthings do happen.
Multi-factor authentication, Imean.

(01:01:25):
We were given warnings of thatfor at least two years.
We still, some of us.
I heard rumors.
Still some people left it tothe last minute.

Ulrikke (01:01:31):
Um, anyways what oh so irresponsible?
No but actually there is yeahthere's something in here that
has just one month um time,which actually surprised me a
little bit.
So you have deprecation ofsupport for personal microsoft
service accounts in powerautomate.
So, starting may 25, 2025,which is May this month, support

(01:01:54):
for personal Microsoft serviceaccounts will be deprecated in
Power Automate and thisdeprecation will end on July
26th, which is in a few days2025.

Nick (01:02:04):
So that's two months notice.

Ulrikke (01:02:06):
Yeah, so in what does this mean?
Well, actually and I don't knowif this applies to a lot of
people, but up until this pointyou were able to use your
personal Microsoft account withPower Army Flows.
You will not be able to do thisgoing forward.
You need a work or schoolaccount to be able to use your
Power Army Flows.
If you have a connection in anenvironment with your personal
user, that will stop working.

(01:02:27):
So when you try to sign in,you'll be kind of directed to a
workflow that allows you to kindof update and choose another
account, and then you'll have tothen refresh your connections
which and to use something elsethan a personal account.

Nick (01:02:44):
So yeah, that is impactful .
Yeah, I don't think thataffects me personally, but I
think that's going to bite a fewpeople in the butt.
So good for calling that out.

Ulrikke (01:02:56):
Yeah, well, and also it's kind of users can't log
into the Power Army portal ormobile app with personal email
accounts such as Gmail orOutlookcom.
User can't create, edit ormanage flows on the portal or
mobile app, or on the portal ormobile app and access to any
cloud flows associated withMicrosoft Tor's account are
permanently removed and thesecloud flows are deleted.

(01:03:18):
Which means if you have createdpersonal productivity flows on
your personal Microsoft or sorry, your private personal
Microsoft account for personalproductivity which does
something, then those flows willactually be permanently removed
and deleted.
Once this is realized, which iskind of a short, tiny span, I

(01:03:43):
mean two months.

Nick (01:03:45):
Yeah, that's going to.
Yeah, that's because people areon vacation for two months,
they're going to come back andtheir flows are going to keep
working.

Ulrikke (01:03:52):
Yeah, and they're going to be deleted so you can't even
kind of sign in with anotheraccount and make a copy and
update things.
It's just going to be removed.
So if that applies to you, thenbe aware.
And if we save your butt,please buy us a beer.

Nick (01:04:07):
Yes, and we'll send you a duck.

Ulrikke (01:04:11):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, buy us two beers and we'll send you
a duck and you'll get a hugnext time we see you.
Okay, we are at way, way overtime and I think we'll just wrap
it up here.
Thank you so much for listeningto us ramble across the through
the release waves and have afantastic summer holidays.
Yes, talk to you next time.

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