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Nick (00:00):
Yeah, but apparently some people like the commentary as
well.

Ulrikke (00:05):
I know for sure that some people don't.
It's like oh, I wish you wouldjust skip the weather.
Talk in the beginning, and Idon't f***ing care what Nick
lifted and what you ran.
And just stop already.
Just get to the news.
Okay, so this is where the newsstarts, okay, oh, okay, we're
calling people out on that.
Oh yeah, I said so many namestoday.
This is going to be the tagcloud.

(00:28):
I'm going to tag everyone inthis episode.

(00:55):
The Power Platform Boostpodcast your timely source of
Power Platform news and updates,with your hosts Nick Doelman
and Ulrike Akerbæk.

Nick (01:05):
Hey, hey how are you?

Ulrikke (01:07):
doing.
I'm doing good.
How are you?

Nick (01:12):
yeah, I'm, I'm good, thanks, um, I like all of our
listeners who don't know it yet,we're very interested in
hearing about how your laptoptook a bath story.

Ulrikke (01:26):
It's one of those things.
I think this was the first timeI did that, cause we chat all
the time and you're like, sowhat happened to your computer?
I'm like I'm saving it for thepodcast.
Ask me when we were recording.
Oh, okay, and I and also I havea technical question for you
that I that I thought aboutasking you and then I thought
for you that I thought aboutasking you and then I thought
you know what.
I'll just save it for theepisode because maybe someone
else is wondering.
So, okay, let's go with thestory.

(01:48):
First, I'm on a new computerand so, okay, what happened was
every Wednesday I stayed late atwork and then I go directly to
a running class with my companyand so I stay in Tredikstad and
I go there.
This last Wednesday I had Ichanged into my running gear and

(02:09):
then I just put my backpack on,filled my bottle backpack and
then I ran off to the, where Ihave the car, and then on the
way I was like, wow, it's reallycold today.
I can't you know these runningshorts.
You know they're so cold.
Like, what's going on?
It's very uncomfortable.
And she was very uncomfortable.
And then, when I got to my carto go for my backpack.

(02:30):
It was like what is all thiswater flying around?
And then I go no, beeping, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep,
beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.
And then I opened my backpackand the water bottle had turned
upside down and then the lockhad because it's a thing, that
kind of locks it that had flownoff and then thing had opened up

(02:50):
and the whole water bottle, soit was, everything was drenched.
I pulled my computer up and thewater is running from.
Oh no, absolutely everything Iown is drenched.
The power bank that I got fromme, everything, everything's
just pouring water.
I'm like, oh, and I'm runninglate for running class, I'm just
throwing everything in the backof the car, just laying

(03:12):
everything out, turning the, thebackpack upside down, the
water's running out of it, justthrowing things in the car, just
driving off.
Of course it's five minusdegrees, so I have to bring
everything inside.
So then repack everything intomy running gear bag, dragging it
into the, running the gym andthen doing my thing and then
going out and then thinking I'mnever going to.
You know, the computer is gone,getting back home, putting it

(03:35):
in the bathroom tiles to kind ofdry it out overnight.
Next morning, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum dum, just
hitting the power button and thething lights up.
The thing lights up and I'mlike, okay, it works, it's
fantastic, it works.
And then you know the powerbank, yeah, that worked, and the

(03:58):
they work, and it's like Idodged a bullet.
Can you believe it's?
Oh, my god.
And then so I'm.
And then, of course, next dayit's like something's it's not
charged, is this?
And all of the things startbugging.
The next day, worse and worse,and suddenly one morning the
computer just wouldn't charge.

(04:19):
I think the battery battery wasright.
So it's kind of a rollercoaster week where.
So now I have a new computer,okay, so that's what happened.

Nick (04:31):
Water bottle accident oh, I think that would be.
That'd be good for or.
I think we all have thosestories of of laptops failing or
not working oh yeah opportunetime, or you're about to do a
presentation and all of a suddenthe updates kick in, or you get
the blue screen of death, likeum.
So yeah, definitely for thelisteners out there, share your

(04:53):
laptop horror stories.
Um, we've, like I think we allhave them.
We'd be interested to uh, tohear.
But, oh man, I could just, Icould just.
I, I felt I, just as you'retelling the story, I could just
visualize it and feeling it andjust know what I would feel too
if all of a sudden, like oh, no,like, because, like we, you

(05:15):
know, for the work that we doand everything like our
everything is on the computer.
Like my wife's laptop died a fewweeks ago too.
And things like browserprofiles, xrm, toolbox
configurations, like as much aswe have a lot of.
Like all the files and stuff Ihave in the cloud and one drive.
So that's all well and good,but even all the apps you have

(05:36):
to reinstall and okay, where'sthe like, where's the key to
turn them on?
And then they're like oh, it'salready registered to this
computer.
You have to unregister and gothrough that whole process, like
to rebuild a laptop.
Just the idea gives me anxiety,to be honest.

Ulrikke (05:52):
No, but actually I find it really refreshing because I
think it's like moving house,right, you have to kind of, you
only bring with you and you onlyput up the things that you
actually need.
So now, of course, the firstday, it's like I press a hotkey
to take a screenshot and then,oh, lighthouse not installed.
Oh, light, what is it called?
The light, something, somethingthat I use for screenshots, oh
I have to install that and, ofcourse, xrm Toolbox.

(06:13):
All my profiles are in the cloudvirtually, but I have to
install the thing.
So it's a myriad of gettingtooling together.
But also, you know, I'm nowshredding the things that I
installed three years ago thatI'm not using anymore and I
remember so well.
We were at a customer I thinkthat's probably 10 years ago now
.
We were on a big SharePointproject, me and my colleague at

(06:34):
a customer's, and then overnightsomeone had broken the window
and stolen his computer from thedesk.
Of course he shouldn't havethat, they didn't have a policy
on that then.
And the customer is like oh no,you know what did we lose?
And he's like well, I justgrabbed a new laptop from the
office and I'm, you know, notfaced by it because everything's
in the cloud and they were on acloud journey and I remember

(06:58):
them using that in you know, thewhole year after that.
That was kind of the starexample of what you can do when
you're in the cloud.
And and we have customers todaythat are on the cloud journey
and it blows my mind how manypeople still have things stored
in local file storage or, youknow, on your local computer,

(07:18):
and it just blows my mind.
So you know, in terms of, likeyou said, everything right it.
It was never, ever a thought ofwhat did?
What did I lose?

Nick (07:26):
I never.

Ulrikke (07:27):
I didn't lose anything, it's just tooling.

Nick (07:29):
Yeah, yeah, that's the thing too.
Like I'm not worried aboutlosing anything digital, like
it's digitally backed up in thecloud, assuming OneDrive stays
up, sharepoint Online,everything.
Like yeah, I mean, I have ahorror story.
Ten like yeah, I mean, I have ahorror story.
10 years ago, I lost somethingon what like one drive.
They actually lost files and Iopened up a support ticket with
microsoft and it.
The files came back eventually,but it was a glitch.

(07:51):
But again, this was years agoand I think it's much robust now
it's, but it's more the yeah,nothing's lost, but it's the
time to get everything back.
But you are right, like I didget a new laptop this past
summer and it was nice becauseyou know, installing just the
things I needed and not havingsome of the other things, like
some of the other apps to tryout, or some of these things

(08:12):
that I'm not using anymore.
So I don't need them.
It's all good, but I do.
When I am switching computers,I usually have both machines
running for at least a few daysbecause all of a sudden you
realize, oh shoot, I have thison this machine and I need to
get it installed, or or I'lljust hop here, like that kind of
thing.

Ulrikke (08:29):
So yeah, yeah, no, I have.
I have the urge to oh, what wasthat or where was that?
Or I'm just gonna go grab thatquick thing, but I can't because
it doesn't start.
So it's like I have to.
I'm forced now to geteverything up and running, so
I'm kind of quicker now than Iwas in the past.
But, yeah, all right.
Yeah, so please share yourhorror stories with us, or the

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how you save the day stories,cause we love to hear those.
Yes, and then we'll, in themeantime, we'll dive in to news
and updates for the last twoweeks, because there are so many
things to go through, and I seethat on the top of the list you
have a link from my, our goodfriend, thomas.
Answer, what has he been?

Nick (09:09):
up to this week um, because we know thomas is a very
faithful listener and everyweek right.

Ulrikke (09:16):
So yeah, we kind of tease him because he told me oh
no, listen to podcasts, so Imake sure to mention him as much
as I can.
Yeah, yeah, so that way we taghim so that he's forced.
Yeah, hey, yep.

Nick (09:25):
Hey buddy, hey buddy.
So yeah, he is interesting.
He wrote this article aboutPower Platform local plugins,
which are now called, I believe,power Facts Functions, If I got
my naming convention right.
But he said it's a step forwardor step sideways, and again
talking about the promise andtalk about power effects the

(09:48):
wrong tool for the wrong job,which I struggle with this too,
sometimes I'm very much becausemy training as a developer has
been very procedural where powereffects is the declarative, non
declarative and to me I can doPower Fx now much better than I
used to because I've had somepractice now.
But it is a different method ofthinking and we have talked

(10:10):
about this as well.
We talked about the limiteddebugging and developer tools
where you do get that in C Sharpwhen you're writing regular
plugins.
Talks about the rise ofsemi-devs, which is the first
time I've kind of heard thisterm.

Ulrikke (10:25):
But I mean it's very descriptive right, yeah, I like
it.

Nick (10:27):
Um, and yeah, because I've also heard of uh, funky techs,
like people that are functional,but they know the technology as
well I love that funky techsright.
So, um, and again, you know, isthis really the right revolution
?
Um, about, talk about extendingDataverse and reducing that
friction?
Again, talk about fragmenteddevelopment experience.

(10:49):
Now, this is interesting aboutthe fragmented development
experience.
This is something that goesbeyond, I think, just Power Fx
functions and plugins and thingslike that.
For instance, this week or lastweek, working on the project
that we work on, um, the, theperson who does our qa, oleski,
and oh, we love this guy, he'slike, he's so cool, he's one of

(11:09):
the best qa people I've everworked with.
But he was kind of like he saidwell, something weird's
happening.
This other value is gettingupdated.
And I looked at it like, ohyeah, we don't have javascript
code.
And then I looked at thebusiness rules we don't have
anything there.
And then it.
Then the little light bulb wentoff in my head because there
was no power automate flows, butI had a classic workflow
updating a particular field.

(11:30):
So it's like, oh yeah, we gotto remember that we do have all
these other automation things.
So we talk about, yeah, thepower platform is as much as we
love it, we there is thatfragmented development
experience where, yes, all of it.
Why is this happening?
Oh, there's a plugin or there'sa workflow, or there's a power
automate flow or there's abusiness rule or there's
JavaScript, and then now we'regoing to have other power

(11:52):
effects functions kicking in aswell.
So that's going to be, I think,a bit of a challenge moving
forward for some of these toolsas well.
So that was something he kind ofbrought up more relating to the
plugins, but this is something,I think, that's a little bit
more widespread and then, like Isaid, we'll have the link to
the article so you can readthrough it for yourself.
But he has some conclusions andproceeding with caution, and I

(12:14):
think it really comes down tothe at the end of the day, again
I always say right tool for theright job, but again it's
evaluating and I think you know,at the end of the day, we still

(12:35):
need pro developers.
But I do like the fact that wecan still bring some of this
plugin experience down to themakers and the low coders so
again, the developers can focuson the more complex things that,
as you and I know, run into inevery project where we need that
focus project, where we needthat focus, and let's not waste,
not say waste your time, butlet's not focus your efforts on
building a plug-in.
Where something low code cancan do it just as well or even
better so great article, justthat low code.

Ulrikke (12:55):
no, sorry.
Right tool for the right job.
Because it's the right tool andthe right skill set for the
right job.
That's what it is now.
Because now you have right,like six different tools to
solve the same thing.
And we have this discussioninternally all the time because
Pat has a plugin and I want towrite a part on Makeflow, and
then, you know, someone elsewant to have a.
I already have a workflow thatdoes half the thing right, but

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why don't I just extend on that?
And so suddenly there's so manytools and then so it has to to
do with skillset.
And then whose skillset?
Is it always the developer'sskillset?
Or maybe we have to startacknowledging the people that
are going to maintain thissolution down the road?
Because it's one thing when youand me and Matthias and Per
sets up something and we allknow, you know plugins and we

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can be, we're developers, we can, we know how to do this but
then what does Tonya do down theline when she has to maintain
this right?
And that's always in theproject that we're in.
That's always what we askourselves.
That's the first question whois going to maintain this, and
what skillset do they have andwe have a persona in place that

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we've established in the projectand we align all the
development that we do towardsthat person so that we know that
down the line, that person,that role, that Dynamics 365
consultant, is going to be ableto actually maintain this and
know where to find things.
That's one thing I want tomention, but also this is really
what we're talking about.
Last episode we talked about ormaybe that was in the release

(14:20):
note episode we talked about thenew thing that is coming for
power automate flows, where youcan actually see, you have a
visual representation ofeverything that's going on in
power automate flows all thechild flows and parent flows and
how they're connected, whatkind of data and how that flows
through.
That's going to include, Ithink, workflows and the plugins

(14:43):
as well.
So then you'll be able toactually follow what's going on
and you would probably see thatright.
So in this scenario, when youhave something updated and
you're like, where does thiscome from?
Actually, what you couldprobably do is go in there and
actually see oh, these are allthe things that are manipulating
this table, or these are allthe things that are connected to

(15:04):
this flow of data or automation.
I can't wait to get my fingerson that, because that is just so
powerful.
We see it time and time againhow important that is.

Nick (15:14):
Yeah, and then that would really help, like we were saying
, with the fragmenteddevelopment too, right, but yeah
, let's hope that it shows allthose little touch points and
that would just be a huge helpfor troubleshooting and the
whole question of I don't knowif you heard the expression who
moved my cheese, kind of thingyeah, yeah, absolutely.

Ulrikke (15:34):
Or in, in your case, in your fridge, who ate my
cheesecake?
You?
know, yes, yeah that's probablynot mentioned in the other names
, um, but also it's one of thethings that I feel like we have
React developers coming instarting working with Power
Pages, that's always the firstthing that they go crazy about,
because in Power Pages you haveJavaScript on this form here and

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you have some JavaScript onthat web page, because they hit
different things and havedifferent page ready.
So you need to kind of playthose things against each other
and then you have a globalJavaScript and then you have
JavaScript on this and that andall of this and they go crazy
because it's so fragmented andlike well, every Power Pages
developer would know where tolook, but you have no idea how

(16:15):
the beast works, so you don'tknow where to look.
But for us it's logical.
And the next Power Pagesconsultant coming in, it will be
logical to go there and lookthere first.
I.
And the next power page isconsultant coming in it will be
logical to go there and lookthere first.
I understand that for youyou're used to having this huge
library thing with all yourfiles and they all just kind of
fall into place.
It's a different mindset.
But at the same time, who areyou developing for and what's

(16:36):
the skillset you're developingfor?

Nick (16:39):
So yeah, and it's the management of that technical
debt down the road.
It's like everything we buildlike, to a certain extent
there's always going to betechnical debt, but basically,
who is going to be maintainingthat debt down the road and how
effective can they do that?

Ulrikke (16:53):
Yeah, definitely, and that's a low-code citizen dev
story in reverse, and I thinkthat's kind of where the
marketing hit the wrong buttonto begin with, because it's not
just development, it'smaintenance and it's who is it
for, and even though we aredevelopers, we need to take that
into account.
So I love seeing more of thatcoming up as well.
And we're 15, 16 minutes intothe episode and we've covered

(17:16):
one story, so I think we'regoing to have a bit of a.
If you're interested in justthe news and updates, skip to
this chapter, point right here,and this is where we kick off.
We promise.

Nick (17:29):
Yeah, but apparently some people like the commentary as
well.

Ulrikke (17:34):
I know for sure that some people don't.
It's like, oh, I wish we wouldjust skip the weather talk in
the beginning, and I don'tfucking care what Nick lifted
and what you ran.
And just stop already.
Just get to the news.
Okay, so this is the paul.

Nick (17:46):
this is where the news starts, okay oh okay, we're
calling people out on that ohyeah, I said so many names today
.

Ulrikke (17:54):
I'm good, this is going to be the the tag cloud.
I'm going to tag everyone inthis episode because I everyone
I talked about I'm going to tag.
Okay, moving on, you sawsomething other as well this
week, from Anna Black.

Nick (18:13):
From Anna Black yeah, so I guess I'm not going to talk
about what I lifted last week,but that's okay.

Ulrikke (18:18):
You can see that on Instagram anyway, okay, tell
them, because I'm so proud ofyou.

Nick (18:25):
It's so fun oh I was.
I was last week nick uh, Icompeted at the canadian
national powerliftingchampionships, um which they
moved it to the back to thewinter schedule.
So that's why if for those whoare listening going out, wait a
minute wasn't that like just afew weeks ago?
Like, yeah, it's September,that's when we moved around, um,

(18:46):
but I went to Moose Jaw,saskatchewan, and um, uh, went
there, I lifted, uh, my, mydivision was very, like, very
competitive this year and I, youknow, competing against a
friend of mine, scott Robertson,who is the world champion in my
age and weight class and he'sit's great Cause I love chatting
with these guys to kind of findout what their training

(19:08):
schedules are Like.
Of course, at my age, we'realways talking about the
different aches and pains andthings we have, talking about
things like belly button hernias, which I won't get into.
But my lifting was okay, not asgood as I had hoped and planned,
but still way better than I didin the fall.
So again, shows the the howtraveling affects my training,

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but, um, no, it was really good.
I was, I was happy with the dayended well.
I would have liked to bench pr,but I'm going to get that in
norway, I promise yeah, we'llsee that yep, exactly yeah, so
yeah, but anyways it, it was alot of fun.

Ulrikke (19:43):
So, anyways, we should get back to the news, because
Okay, so very good job and I'mso proud of you and it's an
upward curve, which we love whenit's heading in the right
direction and you're so good atmanaging everything and
exercising and eating and habitsand stuff and yeah, it's so
good to see you on a roll andthen upward spiral.

(20:06):
It's so much fun.

Nick (20:08):
Yeah, and thank you, cause I was getting messages from you
.
You were watching on the livestream and I really, really
appreciate that.
Like, I know, powerlifting isnot always the most exciting
sport to watch because peopleare lifting and you know, and
it's sort of like it all becomesthe same, a blur, after a while
.
But I do appreciate it andthanks, and anybody else that
happened to be watching.
Um, yeah, greatly appreciate itand, yeah, I'm just gonna keep

(20:29):
doing this.
I'll keep every so often justgiving little bits of updates
here or other places.
So, um, and if anybody'sinterested, uh, and learning
more about it, reach out to medirectly and I'll be.
I'll chat your ear off aboutthat for hours.

Ulrikke (20:42):
So, and I love that, because you don't give advice,
because what you do is for youand I really like that.
It's opened my eyes to, kind of, because exercise and fitness
and how bodies work is soindividual and you're not a
coach, you're not a trainer andthis works for you.
But you're so good at kind ofkeeping that top of mind and

(21:03):
when people ask you for advice,I always hear you saying I'm not
going to give you advice forwhat to do for you.
I do this because this worksfor me and if you want advice,
get a trainer, because the bestthing you can do is to get a
trainer.
I love that.
I respect that so much becauseit's so easy to give advice and
what works for you, but you makesure not to do that.

Nick (21:25):
And that, yeah, yeah, that's very good, yeah, and yeah
, and speaking of trainers, ashout out to my, um, my coach
and trainer, uh, chris fudge,and you can, maybe we'll do a
tag.
You can follow him on instagramand he there's the type of
person like what we know aboutpower platform.
He knows 10 times abouttraining and fitness.
Um, so he's a good guy tofollow, plus a few others, um,
but, and also a big shout out tomy really good friend, lizzie

(21:47):
Roberts, who she was lifting aswell, but she helped me run the
numbers there in Moose Jaw andwhatever, um, and Lizzie's great
.
She's so enthusiastic, she'salways jumping around and
shaking and just gives me thatextra energy that I need for
lifting, so, um, so again,thanks Lizzie for you.
Do you do with everything likethat?
It's just so much fun to hangout with you and your friends

(22:07):
and your mom, your mom, lizzie'smom comes with her to every
competition.

Ulrikke (22:16):
Um, so yeah, Anyways, amazing.
Okay, sorry, I'm sorry, pack,paul, uh 21 minutes, that's when
we're getting into it.
Okay, Paul, uh 21 minutes,that's when we're getting into
it, okay, so, okay.

Nick (22:32):
So did we talk about what Anna did, or Anya did?
Yeah, this is really cool.
So she wrote a uh, one of theseLinkedIn posts where it's like
those little the slide postswhich folks like Nathan Rose
does a lot, and those types ofthings.
Um, it's really cool.
But she talked about strugglingto build model-driven apps and
she gave a framework.
So you can read the link aswell, but it's called FLARE
F-L-A-R-E the FLARE frameworkthat's what she calls it, and

(22:53):
it's foundations linkingattributes, rendering and
enhancements, and she has awhole diagram of going through a
process to help build yourmodel-driven app.
So, anna, I'm going to probablysteal some of this content and
some of the sessions I'm goingto be delivering down the road
on model driven apps.
It's a something that I doquite a bit.
So, yeah, great, it's part ofher power platform cookbook.

(23:15):
It's a great resource.
So, yeah, kudos to Anna forwriting that and definitely
check that link out that we'llhave in the show notes to if
you're struggling on buildingmodel driven apps definitely
does it say anything about iconsin there um, not that I can see
at this point, but um oh sorrythen true?

(23:39):
well, I think it's almost likethat's just.
It's just common sense that youput.
You change your icons, youdon't even need to mention it,
right?

Ulrikke (23:45):
sorry, sir sarah lagerquist.
She's the queen of icons.
We've learned that the hard way.
Yes, sarah we will include iconsin our model driven apps.
We will.
It's one of those, absolutelyright.
Okay.
So, and I caught something,because now we're in the power
apps realm still from miguelverve, verve, verve, verve,

(24:08):
verve um.
He has a blog and he has aseries um that he he has a power
platform.
Challenge is the blog and thisis challenge 37 um and it's
about plan designer and he kindof he throws himself a challenge

(24:29):
on what to do and he like kindof lights it up in the beginning
and then he goes through stepby step how he did it, what
prompts he used um, how he usedthe new plan designer and tried
to get the, the, the data modelright, what kind of responses he
gets then, what the new promptthat he does or the edits that
he do and the results he get.
It's really intuitive and veryeasy to follow his process and

(24:52):
then he ends it with somethoughts and some conclusions
and, as he says and as we'veseen before, it's a great low
code tool and it's a good thingto use for inspiration.
But also it makes a lot of um,not even junior mistakes, or
maybe junior mistakes like youhave a you you ask it to create

(25:13):
something and it will and you'llhave a user in there or a
contact in there.
It creates a new one.
So in this case it was aninspector kind of uh type table
that was needed and if he wouldhave made it himself he would
have used the user,out-of-the-box user or system
user table.
And it doesn't do that.
It doesn't understand that itcan do that and also it's not

(25:35):
capable of attaching or usingthe out-of-the-box tables yet.
It is coming but they stillcan't really use that.
So it's still not fully baked,it's not production ready not in
my view anyways.
But it's nice to see otherpeople kind of play with it and
to see their experience and howthey go about it, and it's a
good resource to check out.

(25:55):
And also make sure to check outall of Miguel's other
challenges, because that listit's on 36, challenges.
It's fantastic.
So absolutely great job andkeep it on in that future.

Nick (26:09):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
It's cool that this is evolving.
And I think, talking aboutSarah Lagerquist, she has a
session at European PowerPlatform Conference on that.
I know I did a video a fewmonths ago on this, but it's
just everybody.
It's nice to see differentperspectives on this and how
they're using the tool as well.
So, just, you learn differentthings from different people.

(26:30):
So again, I know we talkedabout um putting out the same.
Well, I don't want to do a blogon this because someone else
already did it.
No, no, no, no.
Do the blog, do the video,because we, you know, everybody
has a different perspective onthis, and same with Miguel.
He has a different perspectivethan I did on this.

Ulrikke (26:48):
Mm-hmm, absolutely, and you no.
I sorry I put another link inhere from Diane Birkelbach on
how to style your fluent UI9PCFs for PowerApps.
And this I was talking about acomprehensive blog post.
I mean, she blows me away,Diana.

(27:09):
This is just following yourblueprint, but I just love these
blog posts.
I mean, she blows me away,diana.
This is just following yourblueprint, but I just love these
blog posts.
They are kilometers long, butyou see everything.
There's nothing missing here.
You have the links to thevideos.
She made a video to showcasewhat she did at the end.
She has a link to the GitHubrepo where you can get all her

(27:29):
code.
She has links to resourceswhere you can learn more on both
Microsoft Docs and otherresources.
This is a one-stop shop foreverything you possibly need to
know about Fluent UI 9.
And the appearance, the style.
She talks about somethingcalled Griffle, which I've never
heard about.
I learned about how Reactactually works when it comes to

(27:52):
colors and what it actually doeswhen it translates the things
you write into JavaScript andwhat CSS and how it plays into
it.
It blows my mind.
She's absolutely fantastic.
And, yes, not hard-codingcolors.
Amen, woo-hoo, go, diana.
So absolutely, check out thatblog post.
If you ever consider divinginto anything visual about you

(28:15):
know pcfs and power apps, whichshe also talks about, how you
can use it for a custom page andmodel driven apps and she had.
The video she showcased is whatthe component looked like in a
model driven app and a canvasapp and how you can actually
create something that looksexactly like a model living app
and it's fantastic.
I just love it.
It's so great, so well done.

Nick (28:37):
Yep, so much and I love it .
When you go through, you'reseeing code snippets.
It's amazing, it's so cool.
Yep, cool, you made a blog postas well this week.

Ulrikke (28:50):
I made two this week.

Nick (28:51):
I know.

Ulrikke (28:51):
And two videos.

Nick (28:53):
Yeah, and there's a reason for that.
So basically, it kind ofstarted with one and I kind of
thought I'd do the other.
So, overall, the big, the bignews, or the big news, the big
release of the week, of that'sbeginning to roll out, is the
ability to use site settings.
Have that site setting valueand power.
Talk about power pages.
Site settings have very muchunique configuration for a power

(29:16):
pages website, which has to beunique on different environments
.
So think about authenticationproviders, like whether it's
Azure, ad, b2c or Okta or EntraID.
Basically, that has to bedifferent on every site.
What do we have to do now?
If we're using solutions withthe new enhanced data model and
power platform pipelines or howwe're moving it, we would

(29:38):
actually physically have to goto those downstream environments
and configure thoseauthentication providers for
that environment on thatenvironment, which, of course,
is going to create an unmanagedlayer.
And then sometimes we also haveto run some power automate
flows to make adjustments andthose types of things.
So the ALM story was good forpower pages, but this was a huge

(29:59):
gap in terms of we couldn't getthose unique variables.
Now how do they do it in powerapps and canvas apps and flows
and all the other ones.
They have something calledenvironment variables.
So I think most of us have usedenvironment variables so now.
But because site settings iskind of a different data
structure, but now they've kindof merged well, not merged the
two, they've made the abilitythat you can actually store your

(30:22):
site setting values inenvironment variables, which for
PowerPages, alm, is huge.
So this was beginning to rollout.
We had a meeting with Microsoft.
They said, yep, this is publicinformation, we're rolling it
out.
I actually started to playaround with it.
You had to be a certain versionon your PowerPages site which

(30:43):
the version wasn't quite thereyet.
So some of the pieces werethere, some of the pieces
weren't yet.
So I actually had a lot of thecontent created for the site
settings but it wasn't quiteready yet.
And I even pinged Microsoft.
It says, okay, is it rollingout?
Like what's the deal?
And they're like it has to bethis version, so wait.
So I turned on the earlyupdates on my site and kind of
waited for it as soon as I sawthat version.

(31:04):
I was able to finish off thatcontent in the meantime.
So check that out Site settingsas environment variables
variables very cool if anybody'sdoing power pages and alm,
they'll know exactly what thisis all about and exactly the
problem it solves yeah, and justto put a pin in it, I just want
to enhance this because it'svery important.

Ulrikke (31:23):
Those of you who have been using ado because that's
when you can use deploymentprofiles with power pages to
move it.
This enables you to go aheadwith Power Platform Pipelines
instead.
This has been a showstopper forso many people that want to use
pipelines but they can'tbecause they can't use

(31:43):
deployment profiles.
Now we can finally transitionover and start using pipelines.
It's that huge, so it's so, sobig.

Nick (31:54):
Thank you.
Yeah, absolutely.
So I did a blog post and avideo on that.
But in the meantime I thought,oh, entra, I thought this is a
good excuse for me to try outEntra external ID.
So I went through that process.
Now we did talk in the releaseplan that there is a wizard
coming out that will helpconfigure it, but right now you

(32:14):
have to do it manually.
And don't get me wrong, I lovethe docs because it's a big part
of what I did for two years.
But the documentation is goodat explaining the PowerPages
side, but not so good atexplaining the external ID side.
So if you're going in the docsyou kind of have to hop around
back and forth.

(32:35):
So I found that prettyconfusing.
So I actually went through anddid step-by-step of what I did
to get everything to work and itis a lot of screenshots, a lot
of jumping around, but for it'sat the end of the day.
It's for me, because I know in acouple of months I'm going to
have to do this for a client.
So this is really why I did it,but I shared it with everyone

(32:55):
and then I also did a video.
If you're the more of the type,you need to follow the mouse
and see where I click and thatkind of thing.
So anyways.
So that's why there's actuallytwo videos and two blogs this
week.
I was trying to be morestrategic and space things out,
but then, as soon as I saw thesite settings was available, as
soon as that lit up, I'm like,okay, this is too good, I need
to share this.
Now I need to like let theworld know, to the point where I

(33:18):
even released my blog beforethe video was ready, because
it's like, okay, this is, thisis just too good, people need to
know this.

Ulrikke (33:25):
Yeah, yeah, it is huge, and thank you for putting that
content content out there andand and sharing it with everyone
.
And it's uh, it's like we saidbefore usually our blog post is
just so that we don't forget,and uh, and also I have a one
note, huge one note, withsnippets and bits and pieces
that are supposed to be blogposts.

(33:45):
So when I'm old and I am and Ihave time, I'm gonna just, yeah,
do all this bug post, but I'mso happy that you have more time
on your hands than I do so thatyou can actually get this out
there, because it's so importantand it's so?

Nick (33:58):
yes, it's.
It's what happens when you haveself-cleaning and self-feeding
and self-sufficient kids yeah, Ican't wait for that.

Ulrikke (34:06):
Sounds so awesome.
And and do you uh, have anotherthing in the list as well from
Michelle Mendez?
Is that right?
Because I said that wrong thelast time.

Nick (34:21):
Michelle, it is Michelle.
Yeah, michelle, he has it.
Michelle Carlo, but his name isMichelle Mendez.
So yeah, did I put that one in?
Maybe I did.
I thought maybe you did, but no, this is so.
This is about.

Ulrikke (34:34):
It's about the capture liquid tag and this is fantastic
.
So if you don't want to talkabout it, I can talk about it,
because this is something peopledon't know.

Nick (34:41):
You go.

Ulrikke (34:43):
Actually, it's very simple blog post and I love this
as well.
It's not new, it's been thereforever and it's one of those
things that is hidden in thedocumentation.
And it's one of those thingsthat is hidden in the
documentation.
Just suddenly you come acrossand it's like why did I not know
about this before?
So Liquid guys if anyone workedwith Power Pages in the new
designer, liquid is very notobvious that you can use, and I

(35:04):
have juniors on my team thatwill kind of go in and look at
my code and go what did you do?
How did you do that?
It's like well, liquid ispretty powerful.
If you just read the docs,there's so many things in there
and in it, and this is one ofthose things where capture is.
You can have on a, on a webtemplate, for instance.
You want to capture somethingup here and then you want to

(35:26):
display it down here.
So, uh, when you have umvariables in context or you have
multiple bits and pieces thatyou want to then dynamically put
together at the end, this isfantastic.
And so I love that blog postwhere it kind of goes through a
scenario of what you can do andhow you can use it to play

(35:47):
dynamically with your templateand your HTML and your layout
structure and there's so manyother things that you can do.
So I absolutely recommendpeople who don't know liquid to
kind of go through and see allthe things that you can do with
it, because it is prettypowerful, yeah.
So thank you, michelle.

Nick (36:06):
Right, and it's a nice segue.
Yeah, okay, all good.
So, yeah, yeah, it's a goodsegue into the next thing, which
I think it was one you put inhere from, from nicholas hayduke
.
And, speaking of nick, Iactually had lunch with nick on
friday because when I was insaskatchewan, um, so met up with
him, so it's just actuallyreally cool.

(36:26):
And then seeing his blog posthere about liquid and fetch xml.
So do you want to continue onabout the liquid discussion and
talk about this?

Ulrikke (36:35):
Yeah.
So Nick says in the beginningof his blog post as well that
this was very clickbaity kind ofblog post title, and he is
right.
But it's also very interestingbecause so the title is Power
Pages why Liquid and Fetch XMLis better than Web API for read
operations.
And it is.

(36:56):
That's the short of it.
So I just want to read a littlebit of what he says.
So, despite the fact that usingLiquid and Fetch XML might be a
bit more work, I think it'simportant to make that informed
decision about the risk thatcomes with opening the web API
door.
It is most certainly a biggerdoor than using Liquid and Fetch

(37:18):
XML, and I suggest just onlyopening it when necessary and
defaulting to Liquid and FetchXML whenever possible.
Amen, nick.
Yes, and this is actually myquestion to you, because I have
now a case where we have a listof.
So we have a manager's portaland they have candidates and you

(37:39):
want to see only the candidateswithin your part of the
organization.
So you create a candidate inyour org and you only want to
see that on the list, right?
So we use table permissions togo through that loop in a
parent-child hierarchy so thatwhen you log in, you are linked

(37:59):
to your org, which is linked tothe candidates kind of thing, so
that when you have a list thatshows all candidates, you only
see the ones you have access toPerfect.
But then also I need the webAPI to be able to go in and
create contracts for thosecandidates and I have to use the
web API to do that.
If I use the web API, I have tohave or I used to have to have

(38:23):
a global table permission withglobal scope, and that has to
have read access as well asappend to on that candidate
table for it to be able to linkit.
So my question is is that, doesthat still apply?
Because I heard somewhere thatyou now are able to use a
hierarchical table permissionwith the web api for power pages

(38:46):
.
Do you remember anything aroundthat?

Nick (38:51):
I I don't like.
My gut feeling is that that thetable I mean you do need to I.
My gut feeling is you don't,you shouldn't have to use global
permission like global read forthat.
But this would be something Ican't find anything on it.

Ulrikke (39:11):
I can't find any documentation, anything
regarding that.
So, from what I can tell, fromwhat I can Google and find, it
is just a global scope thatworks with a web API.
So, unless you know, top ofyour mind, go oh yeah, in March
that's opened up or anything.
It's something that we shouldactually get back to the team on

(39:31):
, because it's something that weshould actually get back to the
the team on, because it's it'sit's.
It's hard to create a good asecurity model when you can only
do global scope.
Um, and also this ties very muchinto what nick is saying and
also the vulnerabilities thatwe've seen, or the, the data
leakage that we've seen withpower pages recently.
It is it only the.
The product out of the box andin of itself is as secure as

(39:53):
secure can be.
It's misconfiguration.
That's the problem.
That's what happens in everyone of these cases and that's
the same with WordPress orwherever you want to use.
It's the same thing.
But maybe also the capabilitiesand how kind of fine-grained we
can be in what we can do has animpact on this.

Nick (40:14):
Right, so I will take that question and I will go back and
experiment because I do needthis would be something that I
am doing a session on PowerPagesweb API in the end of May in
London at the, I think, theDynamics Power User Conference
session day or something.
So we'll need to figure thisout and we'll hope next episode

(40:37):
we'll have an answer clarifyingeverything.
Definitely Good or bad?
Yes, Perfect.

Ulrikke (40:42):
And also one of the things that I discovered while
searching for an answer to thisquestion was PowerPages Quick
Tips series, A YouTube series byis it not Gomo?
Let me see, by the PowerPlatform Learners.
They have a YouTube channel andone of the playlists is a Quick

(41:03):
Tips series and they have likewhat is it?
23 videos on PowerPages.
They seem to come out everyweek and if you want to learn
more about power pages and youlike videos and nick hasn't
covered everything and nicholashayduke and engineered code
hasn't covered everything thenplease go and check that out,
because they have a lot ofresources on great topics for

(41:25):
power pages awesome, that's socool now I think we've talked
enough about Power Pages for oneepisode.
Let's move on to Power Automate.

Nick (41:38):
Right or no, we don't have anything on Power.

Ulrikke (41:40):
Automate we don't have anything.
Sorry, folks, sorry, sorry.
No.
Power Automate.
Yeah, all right, so let's moveon to Dynamics 365 then.

Nick (41:51):
Right, and this is interesting because this is a
link that you put in and yeah,so I'm interested to hear your
take on it.
But I looked at it.
I'm kind of like I'm going tohave a confession.
I haven't used Word templatesin Dynamics 365.
And just so you know, what isbeing described here would also
work in model-driven apps likeregular model-driven apps as

(42:13):
well.
Work in model-driven apps likeregular model-driven apps as
well.
What I've been doing for Wordtemplates is actually using
Power Automate and using theOffice connector to create my
Word templates, but let's findout a little bit about the way
you can do it directly withinmodel-driven apps.

Ulrikke (42:29):
Yeah, no, because I'm not a dynamics person either.
So when I saw this, that was myquestion to you have you used
this and is this something thatyou would use?
Because I didn't know aboutthis.
So can you just tell me what itis to begin with, and I'll tell
you why I put the blog post inthere afterwards, because there
is a point to this.

Nick (42:48):
Okay, fair enough.
So way back in the early daysof dynamic CRM, before Power
Automate, before the officeconnectors and all of this,
sometimes you wanted to generateeither a Word or Excel out of
dynamic CRM and you could createthese templates where you could
Like.
On the Excel side, it's prettycool because you can get the
data out of Dataverse into anExcel sheet and, of course, if

(43:10):
you work with a lot of folks towork with data, excel is such a
great tool I mean, obviouslyit's like the number one tool
for any kind of data managementin the world is with Excel and
it has built in those Exceltemplates into Dynamics 365 or
into model-driven apps, where itcan even be dynamic with Excel
Online, where you can manipulatethe data in the Excel online

(43:32):
and it writes it all back toDataverse.
So it's really cool.
The other thing, of course, isWord templates because, like
you're doing an opportunity orsomething like that, you want to
generate a letter out of thator you want to generate things
in Word documents.
So, built into Dynamics 365 isthis Word template system.
That goes back to probablyDynamics CRM 3 or 4, like back

(43:57):
to the early days.
It's good that you can putthese document templates in and
upload them and have themavailable for your end users so
they can just press buttons andgenerate documents.
The problem is linking that data.
So once you have to link in amulti-hierarchical meaning child
records, parent records andpulling that in it gets very

(44:17):
complicated.
And then the other problem isis, once you've created that
template, to go back and edit itlater is, I would say, next to
impossible.
I know our friend, jim Novak,who now works at Microsoft.
He actually wrote an XRMtoolbox tool I think the
document, the document manageror whatever like that as a tool

(44:37):
to help alleviate trying to beable to go back in and edit
these documents.
But honestly it just became ahuge pain in the butt.
So that's why, as soon as PowerAutomate came out, of course
with the Office Connector, powerAutomate retrieve your data
from Dataverse using Fetch XML,including your child records and
all this, and then you couldactually go in and populate your

(44:59):
Word template and this becameso much easier and from an
editing perspective, you couldgo in and edit your Word
document to the point I actuallyhad end users who could go in
and update the content andeverything like that in their
Word templates, who could go inand update the content and
everything like that in theirword templates and we could
still utilize those in PowerAutomate without me having to go

(45:20):
in and fix all of this stuff.
So that's just sort of myopinion on it.
The feature is there.
I would say I don't want to callit a good feature because it is
clunky, or it was clunky To behonest.
I haven't looked at it in quitea few years because I've been
doing it the Power Automate way.
So I'm very interested.
I did a high-level scan of whatJordan had wrote in this blog
post, so I'm interested to seewhy you've added this to our

(45:41):
discussion today.

Ulrikke (45:43):
Yeah, no, actually for me it's more of a, because I
didn't know that this was athing.
Even so, I guess a use case forthis would be kind of a
certification or a contract orsomething like that, where you
have data versus data and youwant it to be inserted into a
structured document andexporting it without having to
cut and paste that those datapoints.
So for me it was one of thosethings where, oh so this exists.

(46:07):
Great, I didn't know thatbecause we're in a meeting and
we're in the customer project.
Now we're doing it with PowerAutomate.
So that was kind of my firstfirst reaction.
And then also it's about thenew ui and the new experience,
because every so often microsoftwill throw out, uh, the old and
in with the new and you'll havethe.

(46:28):
You will have access to the oldor the classic interface for so
long until they moved all thefunctionality over into the new
designer or new interface.
Well, this is one of thosethings where actually, what
Joran is pointing out is thatthe new experience is nearly
impossible to use.

Nick (46:46):
Whereas the old experience .

Ulrikke (46:47):
The classic experience was very logical and easy to
follow.
So one of the things where theimprovement in the new way of
doing it is absolutely uselessand you find yourself going back
into the classic every time youwant to do something.
I have the same experience fora while with the timeline
control.
Every time I wanted toconfigure one I would have to go

(47:08):
into the classic because Icouldn't do what I needed to do
from the modern view right.
And so every time you do thatnow it asks you what is it that
you're going into the classicinterface for again, and I like
that because then you canactually tell Microsoft it's the
timeline control because thenew one doesn't work, or it's
this new Word to Excel documenttemplate thing because the new

(47:32):
experience is not working.
So I think my point was thatmake sure that if you need to
look into something and youcan't find it in a new
experience, look for the switchto classic and see if the
classic experience is better.
And on your way there, makesure to put in because I know
that they're looking at that whyyou are moving into the classic

(47:55):
experience.
It's so valuable feedback andif we don't, you know what's
going to happen.
We're going to be stuck with anew experience in a very short
amount of time.
So that was that.
So thank you, joran, forpointing it out and doing what
Joran is doing and making itinto a blog post so that people
share it and people are aware ofit also helps.

Nick (48:17):
So good job yeah, and.
I'm interested if people want tocomment, of if you're using the
, if you're still using thebuilt-in document template
capabilities within Dynamics 365, and why there might be some
very valid reasons of why youwould use this over the method
I'm using with Power Automate.
Like I know it's a, the PowerAutomate way is a little bit dis

(48:37):
I wouldn't say disjointed butto me it's just a lot easier to
manage.
But there might be some goodvalid reasons.
So interested in hearing that.
And yeah, again, just plus oneinto what you said about when
that little box pops up, don'tput in a bunch of swear words,
just sort of say very clearly Iam going into the classic user

(48:59):
interface because I need thetable mapping.
You know table mapping sectionthat doesn't exist in the new
interface.
So they know that people are ausing it and B.
That's another thing they needto add to their backlog, to add
or fix within the new interface100%.
Yeah, great Interesting.
You talked about the timelinecontrol.
Just a quick little shout outto our um about, you know, the

(49:22):
configuring the timeline controland stuff too.
It's, uh, our friend, uh, jacobfrom resco, um, and I haven't
done this yet.
I promise I will.
But they have a part of theirpcf controls.
They have a visual timelinewhich looks really cool.
So I'll, I'll try.
I promise, jacob, I am going totry it out.

Ulrikke (49:38):
I will report back on uh pages, or is that for model
driven apps?
Or is that for model-drivenapps?

Nick (49:44):
It's for model-driven apps yeah, amazing.

Ulrikke (49:47):
Yeah, can't wait to see that.
Another name for the list Whoop, whoop, jacob, pela, yep, and
you have put in a link here fromour favorite Nathan.
Nathan Rose is our favoriteranter.

Nick (50:04):
Yes, is this another?

Ulrikke (50:06):
rant Because I haven't seen this.

Nick (50:08):
No, no, no.
No.
It's actually not a rant, butit is a.
It's a.
It's a back to your, and he hasa few, and he's actually posted
a few more since then, but thisone I really caught my eye.
He said the math problem thatpredicted AI's future and why
your sixth grade teacher wasright all along.
So I'm talking about it bringsme in.

Ulrikke (50:31):
Yeah, I just love his Nathan.

Nick (50:35):
I just love and I'm looking for I'm going to be
meeting Nathan in a few weeks inperson finally and but I just
love how he, how he just goes tohis content.
He tells a story, he's a greatstoryteller and to me this
really kind of appeals to my wayof consuming content and sort
of delivering content sometimes.
And he talks about the agentand he talks about a math

(50:57):
problem and about you know whereyou just get you know on a test
, a regular math problem, andrelates that to just regular
automation.
But then he talks about wherean agent is more of that
question of like you get a mathproblem, well, what is two plus
two?
Well, it's four.
To me, to him, that's anautomation where the you know
you get those word problems andit's sort of like, um, sarah's

(51:19):
baking cookies.
For a school fundraiser, sarahneeds three and a half cups of
flour for one batch of cookies.
If she wants to make fourbatches, how many cups of flour
will she need in total?
Those are the types of thingsthat agents can begin to be used
and break down for these typesof math problems.
So it's just his way again toexplain to dummies like me that

(51:39):
are fighting with Co-PilotStudio, with my power automate
brain um, how to to consume allthis.
So, again, this is a again oneof these um, I don't know what
you call these posts wherethey're doing the pdfs with the
slide, little slider post kindof thing.
We see a lot of those and Ilove them because it's very
quick to consume that content.
Like we talked about early,anna does it, nathan does it, a

(51:59):
few others do it as well um,where you just need just give me
the facts but give it to me inan entertaining way, and Nathan
definitely does that.
So, nathan, awesome work, keepit up and, yeah, looking forward
to finally meeting up with youin a couple of weeks.

Ulrikke (52:15):
Yeah, absolutely.
I love that Brilliant yeah.
And then we had and I sawsomething in you know talking
about co-pages scenario.
When you have, like you justshowed in your video in your
blog post, and you have externalID authentication on your

(52:49):
PowerPages and you have aCopaList Studio agent, then you
want that to be authenticatedthe same way.
So it's a blog post and it'salso an episode from Local
Revolution with GomolemoGomolemo Sorry, gomolemo Mabi

(53:12):
and Jolin Kirui and Fabian Alves, which goes through how to set
it up and how it works step bystep.
So it was a very good couple ofa couple of resources there.
If you want to dive into howyou use authentication, enter
external ID and go by the studio.

Nick (53:33):
Awesome, cool.
And then you have another onefrom Hamish about Power Platform
adoption.
Hamish is another one of thesegreat content creators as well.

Ulrikke (53:42):
And Hamish is another one of these great content
creators as well.
Yeah, 100%, and I look for thiskind of content all the time
and this is conversations I havewith my customers all the time
and also with my colleagues andthe Low-Code versus Pro-Code and
where the challenges lie andhow to make it happen and kind

(54:10):
of where the battle is, so tospeak.
And I think he makes a greatpoint throughout his article.
He kind of lines up where thechallenges are and how to kind
of overcome them.
Where the challenges are andhow to kind of overcome them,
and at the end he kind ofconcludes and I agree with this
to succeed, you have to show theROI and to secure your funding.

(54:32):
I have customers that thinkthat Dataverse is too expensive
so they use SharePoint as arelational database.
It's absolutely crazy and it'son me to show them how the
return on investment for usingDynamics and Dataverse and Power
Platform is immense compared toSharePoint.

(54:52):
You have to work with IT, notagainst them.
You have to have that supportand they have to understand what
this is and also build strongteams with the right mix of
skills.
I love this, hamish.
It's exactly what we've beenpreaching the mix, the hybrid,
the fusion, the call it what thebeep you want, but you need

(55:16):
people's competency and skill tooverlap.
It's in the fringes, theoverlap.
That's what we need.
I see so many projects.
It's kind of head to head orthere's in the fringes, the
overlap.
That's what we need.
I see so many projects.
It's kind of head to head orthere's a gap.
You lose out.
You need the overlap of skillsto make it work, and I think
it's such a good point.
So I love posts like that.

(55:38):
I think Hamish is so structuredand organized in the way he
delivers the points and is sospot on.
So please go and read thatarticle if that's up your alley.

Nick (55:48):
Cool, all right.
So I want to kind of wrap up.
We always talk about events andstuff like that, and then I
think we're probably I don'tknow what.
I don't see where our timeclock is, but we're probably a
little over 55.

Ulrikke (56:02):
So I think this is going to be another long one.
Okay, we're gonna put.
So I think actually what we'regonna do have to rearrange this
episode so the first 21 minuteswhere we just talk about random
stuff is going to be at the end,so that actually people can get
to the juicy stuff in thebeginning.
We'll have to see what we do.

Nick (56:18):
No, we're gonna right, I do want to finish up with um.
There's a link here that we'regoing to share, and our good
friend, victor Dantas, is behindthis.
It's Power Platform for Ukraine, and you go to the website
Transforming Lives with DigitalSkills power Ukrainian refugees

(56:40):
living in Poland and neighboringcountries by equipping them
with valuable skills in thelatest Microsoft low-code,
no-code and AI technology.
So, okay, they're looking forsponsorship and I am trying I'm
going to try my best not tobreak up here.
We have friends there.

(57:02):
It's a shitty situation.
We have people that should beleaders and role models being
exactly opposite that.
So I know it's angering a lotof people.
So this is something, and Iknow we're all trying to figure
out what can we do ourselves tohelp out.
So this is something that wecan do.
I know there's a lot of otherthings, but if you're feeling

(57:25):
angry about the situation, likeI am, this is something to get
involved in or something else.
So, anyways, check out the link.
Like I said, I'm trying to holdit together here, but but yeah,
so, and we're hoping to getsome sponsors.
I know Victor's trying to getsome sponsors and things like
that.
So I think it's for a goodcause and it's our way that we

(57:47):
in this community can help.

Ulrikke (57:50):
Yeah, yeah, 100%.
We have colleagues and we talkto people in the Ukraine every
day.
It is it's an impossiblesituation.
It's crazy what's going on andit's an impossible situation.
It's so.
It's crazy what's going on andit's it's unbelievable.
I struggle with it too.
I don't have the words, um soyeah, it's.

(58:14):
Um.
Usually I'm not lost for words,but in this situation I really
don't know what to say.
Yeah, you know it's, I'm notscared to say the wrong thing,
even just really don't know whatto say.
Yeah, you know it's, I'm notscared to say the wrong thing,
even I just don't have words todescribe how I feel about this.

Nick (58:30):
Because, it is out of this world, yeah, and despite what
political leanings or whatever,that doesn't matter.
We're talking about people here.
We're talking about families.

Ulrikke (58:39):
Oh yeah.

Nick (58:40):
You know, of families.

Ulrikke (58:48):
Oh, yeah, you know 100 people living in a bad situation
.
Absolutely so, uh, let's um.
Yeah, let's celebrate what techcan do and people and skills and
uh, like you said, and the thefascinating thing.
So, itera, we have offices, wehave I have proper colleagues in
in the whole of ukraine and inneighboring countries, in the
whole of Ukraine and inneighboring countries and in the
whole of Europe.
And talking to these people,they don't.
I'm in meetings with people inthe Ukraine every single day.

(59:12):
They don't talk about it, theyjust want the world to continue.
They want to move on, they wantto work, they want to create
value, keep the balls rolling,keep the economy going.
They want to survive and thisis what they do in the it's um,
what they're going through isabsolutely crazy.
So, on a like, like you said,it doesn't matter where you lean
politically, these people, theyneed us to to help, yeah, uh,

(59:37):
keep keep it going.
So, help people get into techand then upskill them in
technology.
It's a fantastic way to do that.
Let's make sure that.
Let's contribute.
Cool, and also, even though wedon't have a lot of time, if you
want to know what we're doingthe next couple of weeks, go
back and listen to an oldepisode.

(59:57):
No, I'm just kidding.
We have Canadian Platform Summitcoming up on the 21st and the
22nd of March, which you arevery much involved in.
We have ColorCloud, or I haveColorCloud April 24th and 25th,
when I'm doing my first bigworkshop alone on PowerPages
from creation to go live and I'mdoing a session with Andy

(01:00:19):
Wingate on Business Central andPowerPages together.
Then we have PowerSummit on mybirthday 24th of May Power
Platform Developer CommunityBoot Camp.
You have a session on PowerPages deep dive using the web
API and I have a session onPower Pages how to style Power

(01:00:40):
Pages.
So we're going there and it'sgoing to be awesome.
I'm going to celebrate yourbirthday when we're in seattle.
I'm going to celebrate mybirthday in london, so that's
going to be great.
And then you're going off todynamics minds on 26 and 28 of
may, where you have a session onwhat you started this podcast,
talking about the power liftingand mental health and what that

(01:01:03):
actually.
What that is all about for you.
It's not about lifting heavythings and putting them back
together.
It's about mental health andyeah, and and everything like
that.
And also the cage match andpower pages versus the world
with matt and george is gonna beabsolutely crazy.
And then we're both going toeuropean power platform
conference in j Conference inJune, where we're back with the

(01:01:25):
Top Gun outfits, together withVictor Dantas, which we just
mentioned, we have a crashcourse for Power Pages and Power
Pages, top 10 Tips and Tricks.
So this fall is no sorry, thisspring is already fall.
We both said we were going toslow down down and we did not.
It's already fully booked.

(01:01:45):
So looking forward to it somuch.
It's going to be so much fun.

Nick (01:01:51):
Cool, all right.
So, yeah, long episode, whichis good.
So you have two weeks and thething is you don't have to
listen to it all at once.
You can listen to the firsthalf and then listen to the
first half later, kind of thing.
But yeah, we really appreciate.
We do appreciate the comments.
We're getting a lot of greatcomments just sort of randomly,
whether it's on the YouTubechannel or through LinkedIn or

(01:02:13):
even just sometimes just talkingto people too.
It's just sort of likesometimes we do this a lot of
work and then someone just sortof says we just love the love
what you put out.
Uh, love getting our update.
This is how we get our powerplatform updates.
I, we do realize we probablylean a little bit more to some
areas more than others, but uh,we would like to talk about what
we know.

Ulrikke (01:02:34):
But uh, again, thank you to our listeners, and I
think we have an anniversarycoming up.
Uh, because I think the firstepisode that we ever launched
was somewhere in March.
So, because I'm me and I have agoldfish memory, I can't tell
you what the date was, but we'regoing to figure that out and
maybe we'll have a bonus episodearound that time.
So, yeah, looking forward tocatching you.

(01:02:57):
And the next episode is what?
March 19th.

Nick (01:03:00):
Yes, I believe so.
So that would be actually theday before Canadian or the day
or two before Canadian PowerPlatform Summit starts.
So we bring everything up.
There'll be a lot of info Again.
That's going good.
Still a few tickets available,but get them now because we are
selling.
We will sell out guaranteed, soget it.

Ulrikke (01:03:18):
Get it, definitely get it, and I can't wait to see you
in Seattle for MVP Summit.
All right, guys, take careuntil next time and I'll catch
you later.
All right, bye, bye-bye.

Nick (01:03:33):
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