June 8, 2025 • 29 mins
Through The Lord's Prayer, Jesus not only reveals to us the name of God but also how to ask for His gifts. It's hard to overstate the importance of each and every word in the most significant prayer in Christianity - and yet it has been tampered with many times over the last 2,000 years. In today's episode we take a deep dive into the history of the prayer, explore the edits in detail (including the removal of the words 'Holy Spirit') and reveal the original prayer in its entirety.
Notes:
https://www.theveryfirstbible.org/lordsprayer.html
Contrasting Pope's statement with scripture
https://www.marcionitechurch.org/Antithesis.html
Roman Emperor hunts down every last copy of The Gospel of the Lord
https://www.bible.ca/b-canon-diocletians-destruction-constantines-production-scripture.htm
Church begins distancing itself from barbaric Yahweh deity by removing its name from liturgy
https://catholic-resources.org/ChurchDocs/CDWDS-Name-of-God-2008.htm
Why the prayer and bible was originally written in Greek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AkDsOKYcPA
Learn more about suppressed Pre-Nicene Christian history
https://www.pre-nicene.org/
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Time for another edition of Presbyter Chat where your
questions are answered through the prism of pre Nicene
Christianity. Now, your host, Presbyter,
Darren Kalama, thanks for joining us.
Today's question, like most of them, at first glance, appears
to have a direct path leading toa crisp and decisive conclusion.
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And also, like most of them, we find instead a tangled web of
theological double talk, linguistic acrobatics, and
biblical scholars and apologistsdancing on the head of a pin.
But ultimately, and as always, we eventually do find the
answer. Now, this one is from Lois in
Missouri. Hi, Darren.
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Which version of the Lord's Prayer is the correct one?
Well, first let me frame this for what it is.
This question goes to the heart of not only translation errors
and Judaized Bibles, but also later editing and creative
interpretation of those translations.
And how do you know if you have a Judaized Bible?
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Well, it's simple. Is an alien religion called the
Old Testament stapled to the front of it?
Well, then, yes, you have a Judaized Bible.
And by the way, the last time the Lord's Prayer was changed
and edited was by decree of PopeFrancis in 2019, just six years
ago. More on that later.
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And just like most things we're going to discuss here, it's news
you probably never heard of. So where were we?
Ah yes, the Lord's Prayer, easily the most important and
foundational prayer in Scripturethat you're going to find in any
Bible on the planet. Nothing else encapsulates
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Christianity and Toto like this brief prayer about 60 of the
most important words ever strungtogether into a single prayer.
And yet we find it is the most butchered, edited, mistranslated
and perverted scripture in history.
But why? Well, because it's the most
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powerful prayer that has ever existed.
Now, in it Jesus, the Son of God.
It tells you precisely how to pray to our Father and tells you
His name literally how to communicate with God by name.
Our Father, not some alien deitycalled Yahweh.
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Now remember, Yahweh is a name that is found nowhere in the New
Testament. Jesus didn't start waving a
magic chicken over his head while screaming the name Yahweh
in Hebrew with phlegmatic inflections.
No, it was our Father. The name of our Christian God is
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Father. Now, I don't know about you, but
I'd say that's pretty important information, and it's not
something Jesus just blurts out randomly.
And by the way, this discussion with his apostles was spoken in
Greek, specifically Coiny Greek.It was the language used by
everybody in the Roman Empire atthat time, the lingua franca of
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all, in fact, your entire New Testament.
An this prayer was originally written in Greek.
Not Latin, not Hebrew, not Aramaic, Greek.
Everybody spoke and wrote in Greek.
Simply put, it's the language ofGod.
Now, this is an important data point as we move forward and
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have a base of understanding forthe prayer.
And incidentally, you can thank Alexander the Great and his
Hellenization campaign for the common language used throughout
the Roman Empire. Now, back on point.
Jesus has asked specifically by his apostles how to pray to God.
So there's no question about subtext here.
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There is a direct question and adirect answer.
Now, first, I'm going to read the original from the first
Christian Bible of 144 AD. This is the unchanged, unedited
original prayer, just as we findit in the Gospel of the Lord
directly from Greek to English with no Latin pit stops.
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And if you want to follow along,you can go to the very first
bible.org and download a free copy.
Here is the Lord's prayer. And he said unto them, When you
pray, say, Father, let your HolySpirit come upon us, hallowed be
your name, your Kingdom come, your will be done as in heaven,
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so on earth give us day by day our bread for the coming day,
and forgive us our sins, for we also forgive everyone that is
indebted to us, and lead us not into temptation.
Now that sounds pretty good for just 58 words, but I wonder what
it would sound like in person. Imagine you're standing next to
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Jesus and he's telling you how to pray to our Father.
I wonder what that would sound like?
Oh, I know. Let's find out.
A certito PNEV masuto ayue panomas ayastito tonomasu El
ceto Y vasiliasu yenito todelimasu O senorano utos que
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pigis tonardo nimon dosimin imeran procimeran Viet diner
homen in imeran que si horizon NI minta SA martia Simon diotti
que mis si horumen panda tonophilet I Mon que misa Y
simas espiras MO. That was Greek, by the way.
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Now we'll take a look at the later versions, which were
edited, annotated, and Judaized just as we find them in the King
James Bible. We're going to start with the
Matthew version, because it was the first attempt at Judaizing
the Gospel of the Lord from the original Bible.
Next, we'll take a look at the Luke version.
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And both, it should be noted, were written by anonymous
authors. Which is of course, another
discussion all into itself. I mean, how is something
divinely inspired if the author is anonymous?
How can both versions be divinely inspired if the words
are different? Was one more divinely inspired
than the other? Were they divinely inspired by
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our Father or by an alien deity named Yahweh from a different
religion? Was Pope Francis divinely
inspired when he changed the divinely inspired words in the
prayer in 2019? Or perhaps he got a good role
and used the plus three staff ofDivine inspiration to magically
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change the prayer. What's next?
Anonymous material witnesses in court who are exempt from cross
examination because their testimony is considered to be
divinely inspired. I mean, this sounds like the
very definition of apocryphal, does it not?
But I digress, and I have every confidence that Lois from
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Missouri will be weighing in with these and similar questions
for a different episode. Now here is the Matthew version
of the Lord's Prayer, chapter 6.Nine through 13.
Our Father, which art in heaven,hallowed be Thy name, Thy
Kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven.
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Give us this day Our Daily Bread, and forgive us our debts,
as we forgive our debtors, and lead us not into temptation, but
deliver us from evil. For thine is the Kingdom, and
the power and the glory forever.Amen.
Now the later version from equally anonymous Lew, we find
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that in Chapter 11, two through 4.
And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, our Father, which art
in heaven hallowed be thy name, thy Kingdom come, thy will be
done as in heaven, so in earth. Give us day by day Our Daily
Bread, and forgive us our sins. For we also forgive everyone
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that is indebted to us, and leadus not in the temptation, but
deliver us from evil. And now the Catholic version of
the Lord's Prayer. Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name, Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day Our Daily
Bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those
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who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil. However, in 2019, Pope Francis
changed lead us not into temptation to do not let us fall
into temptation. Now officially, this change was
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mandated for the Italian translation of the prayer.
But what's important is the reasoning that Francis used when
editing the Lord's Prayer. This is from him quote.
It is not a good translation because it speaks of a God who
induces temptation. He he told Italian TV
continuing. I am the one who falls.
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It's not him pushing me into temptation to then see how I
have fallen. A father doesn't do that.
A father helps you to get up immediately.
It's Satan who leads us into temptation.
That's his department. UN quote.
Now I think you'll agree this same reasoning could be applied
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to all languages, not just Italian, could it not?
Why just one language? Was it just the camel's nose
under the tent to see what he could get away with?
I mean, Oh well, it's just the Italian version, it's not a big
deal, right? But let's back the truck up a
little. In fact, let's zoom out from
30,000 feet and have a look at this mess.
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First, the pre Nicene Christians, especially the
Marseenites, have always known that Yahweh, the deity
worshipped by Jews, is not the same as our Father.
Specifically, they believe that God our Father was only revealed
through his Son Jesus Christ. Not before.
You see, Yahweh, the Desert war God, or any of the other dozen
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deities like Molech, Chamash or Baal worshiped by monolatrous
Jews over the centuries, are alien to our belief system, just
as the deities of Hindus, Islamists and Buddhas are.
And it was this core belief thatcaused a schism in the Church in
144 AD. That's when St.
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Mercian and Pope Pius the First had their big showdown in Rome.
Mercian laid the first ChristianBible and the Torah side by side
and compared the described actions and behavior of both
gods. The Yahweh deity of the Torah
is, by the words of his own worshippers, A barbaric
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sociopath who not only genocideswomen and children, but even
takes time off to kill his own people when he's in a bad mood.
You see, Yahweh is both good andevil in their belief system.
Read Ezekiel 96 for a taste of the juicy details.
And don't worry, we're going to apply this context to our main
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subject in just a second anyway.Despite these facts, Pope Pius
the First chose to side with theJudaizers and their Yahweh deity
in 382AD. His decision was codified when
the Torah books were stapled to the front of the edited New
Testament. The Torah Yahweh books were then
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renamed and you know them now isthe Old Testament.
And let there be no mistake as we move forward, Yahweh is the
God of the Catholic Church. Yahweh is the God of every
denominator that has Torah booksstapled to the front of their
Bible. And by the way, the name Yahweh
is used 6832 times in that Old Testament and yet we find the
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name Yahweh not even once in theNew Testament.
Well, these are the facts and they are undisputed.
Now with this additional context, we find the changes
made by Pope Francis and the reasoning behind it quite
bizarre. Keeping in mind the dozens of
times that Yahweh tricked, deceived and killed his own
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people, let's read the quote from Pope Francis one more time.
It is not a good translation because it speaks of a God who
induces temptation. UN quote.
And remember, this is He. This is what he said on Italian
TV. Quote, I am the one who falls.
It's not him pushing me into temptation to then see how I
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have fallen. A father doesn't do that.
A father helps you to get up immediately.
It's Satan who leads us into temptation.
That's his department, UN quote.Now, I'm not a papal expert, but
I did do 12 years of Catholic schooling in Chicago taught by
brothers. And I'm going to assume, and
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maybe I'm way off base here, butI'm going to assume that to be
Pope you have to maybe as a minimum requirement, you
probably have to at least read the Bible that your church uses.
So not to put too fine a point on the question, but how do we
square the Pope's statement and reasoning for changing the
Lord's Prayer with what we can all read for ourselves about
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Yahweh in the Old Testament? You know what, I have a better
idea. Let's just skip all the examples
as told by his own people. Let's get a direct quote from
Yahweh himself as we read it in Isaiah 45.
Seven quote. I form the light and create
darkness. I make peace and create evil.
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I, the Lord do all these things,UN quote.
And yet here's Pope Francis distancing Yahweh from ever
causing something like temptation and by extension,
distancing himself from Yahweh. He's like the battered wife of
theology protecting the husband at a cocktail party.
Whoa. I know Yahweh can get a little
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tense from time to time, but somebody to do something?
Wow, he would never do that. I mean, how bizarre.
Now, there was a time when I would just chalk this up to the
usual cognitive dissonance that all Judeo Christians exhibit
when trying to explain two different religions stapled
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together. In fact, they have an entire
apologetics industry that is paid to dance on the head of a
pin and explain away reality. But in this case, I don't think
what Francis said is reflective of simple cognitive dissonance.
Now, despite the cartoonish framing and phrasing that he
uses, there's something much deeper being expressed.
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But what's the word I'm looking for?
Oh yeah, limited hangout with maybe a side order of trial
balloons. Simply put, the Catholic Church
is trying to claim the ground held by the Marcionite Church,
the ground of the good God, the ground of our Father.
Perhaps you've noticed that it seems a veil is slowly being
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removed from the hearts and minds of people and they're
beginning to see things for whatthey truly are.
Why are these judeo-christian denominations suddenly
distancing themselves from the Yahweh deity?
I mean, after 2000 years, it's alittle late to pretend that you
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didn't know what was in your Bible that whole time.
And yet, amazingly, here's the since departed Pope talking like
a Mercianite. How bizarre.
And it didn't just start six years ago with Francis changing
the Lord's Prayer and feigning ignorance of the actions of his
own God. No, the Catholic Church in
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particular felt the ground shifting a long time ago.
I call it the Yahweh problem. You see, everybody signs up for
Jesus. Nobody signs up for Yahweh.
Yahweh is the poison pill they give you on the back end after
signing up for Jesus. And people are starting to wise
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up to the trick, the deception. So how do you solve a 2000 year
old Yahweh problem if you're theCatholic Church?
I mean, sure, you can change a couple of prayers here and
there, but substantially the same problem remains.
At the end of the day you have two options.
Either one, admit you were wrongin 144AD and come home to our
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Father and unify Christians again.
Or two, ignore the Yahweh problem, pop smoke and pretend
it doesn't exist. And as you probably guessed, the
Catholic Church went with door #2.
Now, 17 years ago, June 29th, 2008 to be precise, the
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Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the
Sacraments, otherwise known as CDWDS, published a letter to the
Bishops Conference titled The Name of God, and in it they
ordered the name Yahweh removed from every Catholic liturgical
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guide on the planet. That's right, Every hymn, every
song, every mass, the name Yahweh was then replaced with
the generic descriptors of Lord or God.
Well, what? Yahweh?
Yahweh Who? That's right, meet your new
nameless, anonymous God, just like the anonymous gospel
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authors. How bizarre.
Now, before we circle back to the change itself, I'd like to
just make a quick point about context and the absence of it.
A declarative or story devoid ofcontext is the playground of the
devil and a circus for liars. So whether it's religion,
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politics, or science, make sure that you do your homework.
Now I've given you some context about this Lord's Prayer, but
did you know that context was also provided for the Apostle
Paul's 10 epistles in the first Christian Bible of 144AD?
Prologues accompanied each of the letters describing the
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people and events that surrounded the need for each
epistle. Just an interesting point.
Now back to Pope Francis and hischanging of lead us not into
temptation to do not let us fallinto temptation.
Now I guess we're to assume thatnone of the 5 million full time
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employees of the Catholic Churchactually speaks Greek or that of
its $73 billion treasury, not a single leptin or drachma could
be spared to hire a translator. You see the Greek word for
temptation, pirasmos, can mean test, trial or temptation.
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Thus do not bring us into testing.
Do not put us to the test or lead us not into trial would
have also been good translations.
And by the way, for a clue as towhich test or trial is being
referred to, we turn to Chapter 9 verse one of the gospel of the
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Lord and read the following quote.
And when they bring you up before the synagogues, and unto
the rulers and authorities. Be not anxious or what thing you
shall answer, or what you shall say, for the Holy Spirit shall
teach you in the same hour what you ought to say.
UN quote. Now that sure sounds like a test
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or trial to me. And it serves as a reminder that
each and every word is in that prayer for a reason.
These aren't random words. It's not a rap song where we
grab a speaking spell and find something that rhymes or pick a
word that makes us feel better. And if Bergoglio can change
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words in the Bible because he doesn't like the way something
sounded, who else made changes? You think an English king,
Judaizers in the early church, or a Roman emperor wouldn't also
feel the need to make changes? What?
For the greater good, of course.In other words, there was no
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need to change the most important prayer in
Christianity. But he did it anyway.
He did it deliberate, like spraypainting ghetto graffiti on a
great work of art. It's just bizarre.
But wait a minute. Often than distance I, I think I
hear something ringing. It sounds like oh, that's right,
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it's a clue phone. Gee, I wonder what that's all
about. Well, we just read in the last
verse 2 interesting words, didn't we?
Holy Spirit, let's pull up that graphic again, comparing the
original Lord's Prayer with the edited Matthew, Luke, and
Catholic versions. Now what in the world is going
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on here? Why have all three versions
deleted the words Holy Spirit from the first sentence of the
prayer? Oh, everything is like getting
hazy here. Let me make sure I'm not
imagining things. I better read the original one
more time. Quote.
Father, let your Holy Spirit come upon us, hallowed be your
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name, UN quote. No, there it is.
It's still there. Well, for starters, this proves
that Luke is just an edited version of the Gospel of the
Lord, not the other way around. That debate is now officially
over. But I don't want us to get lost
in the weeds here, so let's stayon point.
Let's find, fix, and finish. Why would the Judaizers who
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wrote Luke and Matthew have a problem with the Holy Spirit
now? In answer, I asked a group of
parishioners from the Marcinite Church for their thoughts on the
deletion, and the consensus seems to be that there was a
coordinated effort to, at the very least, minimize the role
played by the Holy Spirit. You see, Father, let your Holy
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Spirit come upon us is a powerful statement.
It opens the prayer. It reveals the name of our God,
which has stated in the prayer is not something called a
Yahweh. And think about this also
reveals the mechanism by which we receive His gifts.
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Now this causes us to reflect onhow the Holy Spirit is around
us, with us, always. We merely need to ask our Father
that it come upon us. Now, this is not inconsequential
material or random words from a speak and spell.
Somebody or something does not want you thinking about it or
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knowing it. It was deliberately removed for
a reason. Now think about this.
So far, we've only dissected theremoval of seven words and the
replacement of another out of a total of just 58 words.
And we've barely scratched the surface on the changes made to
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the most important prayer in Christianity.
Everything from bread to sin to death has also been changed.
Even the difference between saying in earth or on earth has
been tinkered with. Now, we're running a little long
on this, but if you're interested in a Part 2, let me
know in the comments section. I'm going to leave you today
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with a couple of thoughts. Without the first Bible of 144
AD, we would have been totally unaware of the original words in
the Lord's Prayer. Nobody would have been the wiser
that it was edited. And it's not just the prayer.
We're talking about dozens of key verses in the original 10
epistles, not to mention the entire Gospel of the Lord being
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vandalized with four different Judaized verses, versions of it
being created out of whole cloth.
But do you realize how razor thin close it came to being
erased from history? No you don't.
In three O 3 AD, Roman Emperor Diocletian declared war on all
of Christianity and he ordered every copy of the first Bible to
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be found and set to the torch. He ordered all churches toppled
to the ground and bishops forcedto renounce Jesus.
And when the soldiers went door to door were looking for
scriptures to burn, They weren'tinterested in apocryphal
Judaized nonsense. No, they were looking
specifically for the gospel of the Lord.
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Now a brief synopsis of the Canon debate book sheds light.
Quote By the time of the Diocletianic persecution, in
three O 3 Roman authorities in their campaign to confiscate
Christian property, included therequirement that Christian books
be handed in and burned. In the words of Eusebius, we saw
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with our very eyes the inspired and sacred scriptures committed
to the flames in the marketplaces in response to the
imperial letter ordering the destruction by fire of the
Scriptures. The requirements showed that the
authorities knew Christians had an identifiable set of holy
writings, and they knew of theirimportance to the Christian
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community. Heracles, governor of Bithania
and the chief promoter of the persecution.
Well, he knew the Christian Bible and had already attempted
in two books against the Christians to prove the
falsehood of sacred Scripture, by which was meant Christian
sacred writings, as the reference to Paul and Peter
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makes clear. And Christians themselves
thought they had an identifiableset of Scriptures, for they
immediately experienced A moral dilemma over giving up documents
to the authorities, an issue that became the occasion for the
Donatist schism. Now Christians might hide
writings, try to pass off apocryphal and heretical text,
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or in some cases debate what to hand over and what not to.
But for the most part they knew what books the soldiers were
looking for. UN quote.
Now at this point they thought they had finished the job and
erased all traces of the Bible because just 20 years later,
thinking that there was now a clean slate, Emperor Constantine
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would produce fifty of his own Judaized Bibles after the
Council of Nicaea in 325AD. Interestingly, on a side note,
he executed his wife and first born son less than a year after
the council ended, no doubt a display of his newfound love of
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Christianity. And in 382 AD, the Roman
Catholic Church would adopt his personally approved scriptures
as their own when they finally published their own version of a
Bible. Now, does this added context
help you understand the motivations behind editing
prayers and scriptures? And one final note on the
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editing of prayers and editing the Bible.
It's not a new phenomena. In fact, it was so common,
commonplace, that even the Apostle Paul warned us about
fake and perverted gospels in Galatians 1/4 through 6 quote.
I marvel that ye are so quickly changed from him that called you
in the grace unto a different gospel, which is not another.
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But there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the
gospel of Christ. But though we or an Angel should
announce to you a gospel contrary to what ye have
received, let him be accursed. UN quote.
Simply put, without the solid foundation of the first Bible of
144 AD, you're left with a collection of scribbled psycho
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Babble and stapled together religions instead of drift on
the spiritual Dead Sea without apaddle or rudder.
And it was all by design. When Bergoglio changed the
Lord's Prayer, he made us realize it wasn't the first time
that the Bible had been altered in this way.
Our Father used him to bring forth good, and now you know the
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rest of the story. May our Father's Holy Spirit
find and guide you in these confusing times and lift the
veil from your hearts and minds.I'm Darren Kalam and we'll see
you next time on. Prince butter chat.
Time for another edition of Presbyter Chat where your
questions are answered through the prism of pre Nicene
Christianity. Now, your host, Presbyter,
Darren Kalama, thanks for joining us.
Today's question, like most of them, at first glance, appears
to have a direct path leading toa crisp and decisive conclusion.
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And also, like most of them, we find instead a tangled web of
theological double talk, linguistic acrobatics, and
biblical scholars and apologistsdancing on the head of a pin.
But ultimately, and as always, we eventually do find the
answer. Now, this one is from Lois in
Missouri. Hi, Darren.
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Which version of the Lord's Prayer is the correct one?
Well, first let me frame this for what it is.
This question goes to the heart of not only translation errors
and Judaized Bibles, but also later editing and creative
interpretation of those translations.
And how do you know if you have a Judaized Bible?
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Well, it's simple. Is an alien religion called the
Old Testament stapled to the front of it?
Well, then, yes, you have a Judaized Bible.
And by the way, the last time the Lord's Prayer was changed
and edited was by decree of PopeFrancis in 2019, just six years
ago. More on that later.
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And just like most things we're going to discuss here, it's news
you probably never heard of. So where were we?
Ah yes, the Lord's Prayer, easily the most important and
foundational prayer in Scripturethat you're going to find in any
Bible on the planet. Nothing else encapsulates
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Christianity and Toto like this brief prayer about 60 of the
most important words ever strungtogether into a single prayer.
And yet we find it is the most butchered, edited, mistranslated
and perverted scripture in history.
But why? Well, because it's the most
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powerful prayer that has ever existed.
Now, in it Jesus, the Son of God.
It tells you precisely how to pray to our Father and tells you
His name literally how to communicate with God by name.
Our Father, not some alien deitycalled Yahweh.
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Now remember, Yahweh is a name that is found nowhere in the New
Testament. Jesus didn't start waving a
magic chicken over his head while screaming the name Yahweh
in Hebrew with phlegmatic inflections.
No, it was our Father. The name of our Christian God is
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Father. Now, I don't know about you, but
I'd say that's pretty important information, and it's not
something Jesus just blurts out randomly.
And by the way, this discussion with his apostles was spoken in
Greek, specifically Coiny Greek.It was the language used by
everybody in the Roman Empire atthat time, the lingua franca of
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all, in fact, your entire New Testament.
An this prayer was originally written in Greek.
Not Latin, not Hebrew, not Aramaic, Greek.
Everybody spoke and wrote in Greek.
Simply put, it's the language ofGod.
Now, this is an important data point as we move forward and
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have a base of understanding forthe prayer.
And incidentally, you can thank Alexander the Great and his
Hellenization campaign for the common language used throughout
the Roman Empire. Now, back on point.
Jesus has asked specifically by his apostles how to pray to God.
So there's no question about subtext here.
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There is a direct question and adirect answer.
Now, first, I'm going to read the original from the first
Christian Bible of 144 AD. This is the unchanged, unedited
original prayer, just as we findit in the Gospel of the Lord
directly from Greek to English with no Latin pit stops.
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And if you want to follow along,you can go to the very first
bible.org and download a free copy.
Here is the Lord's prayer. And he said unto them, When you
pray, say, Father, let your HolySpirit come upon us, hallowed be
your name, your Kingdom come, your will be done as in heaven,
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so on earth give us day by day our bread for the coming day,
and forgive us our sins, for we also forgive everyone that is
indebted to us, and lead us not into temptation.
Now that sounds pretty good for just 58 words, but I wonder what
it would sound like in person. Imagine you're standing next to
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Jesus and he's telling you how to pray to our Father.
I wonder what that would sound like?
Oh, I know. Let's find out.
A certito PNEV masuto ayue panomas ayastito tonomasu El
ceto Y vasiliasu yenito todelimasu O senorano utos que
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pigis tonardo nimon dosimin imeran procimeran Viet diner
homen in imeran que si horizon NI minta SA martia Simon diotti
que mis si horumen panda tonophilet I Mon que misa Y
simas espiras MO. That was Greek, by the way.
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Now we'll take a look at the later versions, which were
edited, annotated, and Judaized just as we find them in the King
James Bible. We're going to start with the
Matthew version, because it was the first attempt at Judaizing
the Gospel of the Lord from the original Bible.
Next, we'll take a look at the Luke version.
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And both, it should be noted, were written by anonymous
authors. Which is of course, another
discussion all into itself. I mean, how is something
divinely inspired if the author is anonymous?
How can both versions be divinely inspired if the words
are different? Was one more divinely inspired
than the other? Were they divinely inspired by
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our Father or by an alien deity named Yahweh from a different
religion? Was Pope Francis divinely
inspired when he changed the divinely inspired words in the
prayer in 2019? Or perhaps he got a good role
and used the plus three staff ofDivine inspiration to magically
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change the prayer. What's next?
Anonymous material witnesses in court who are exempt from cross
examination because their testimony is considered to be
divinely inspired. I mean, this sounds like the
very definition of apocryphal, does it not?
But I digress, and I have every confidence that Lois from
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Missouri will be weighing in with these and similar questions
for a different episode. Now here is the Matthew version
of the Lord's Prayer, chapter 6.Nine through 13.
Our Father, which art in heaven,hallowed be Thy name, Thy
Kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven.
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Give us this day Our Daily Bread, and forgive us our debts,
as we forgive our debtors, and lead us not into temptation, but
deliver us from evil. For thine is the Kingdom, and
the power and the glory forever.Amen.
Now the later version from equally anonymous Lew, we find
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that in Chapter 11, two through 4.
And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, our Father, which art
in heaven hallowed be thy name, thy Kingdom come, thy will be
done as in heaven, so in earth. Give us day by day Our Daily
Bread, and forgive us our sins. For we also forgive everyone
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that is indebted to us, and leadus not in the temptation, but
deliver us from evil. And now the Catholic version of
the Lord's Prayer. Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name, Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day Our Daily
Bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those
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who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil. However, in 2019, Pope Francis
changed lead us not into temptation to do not let us fall
into temptation. Now officially, this change was
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mandated for the Italian translation of the prayer.
But what's important is the reasoning that Francis used when
editing the Lord's Prayer. This is from him quote.
It is not a good translation because it speaks of a God who
induces temptation. He he told Italian TV
continuing. I am the one who falls.
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It's not him pushing me into temptation to then see how I
have fallen. A father doesn't do that.
A father helps you to get up immediately.
It's Satan who leads us into temptation.
That's his department. UN quote.
Now I think you'll agree this same reasoning could be applied
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to all languages, not just Italian, could it not?
Why just one language? Was it just the camel's nose
under the tent to see what he could get away with?
I mean, Oh well, it's just the Italian version, it's not a big
deal, right? But let's back the truck up a
little. In fact, let's zoom out from
30,000 feet and have a look at this mess.
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First, the pre Nicene Christians, especially the
Marseenites, have always known that Yahweh, the deity
worshipped by Jews, is not the same as our Father.
Specifically, they believe that God our Father was only revealed
through his Son Jesus Christ. Not before.
You see, Yahweh, the Desert war God, or any of the other dozen
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deities like Molech, Chamash or Baal worshiped by monolatrous
Jews over the centuries, are alien to our belief system, just
as the deities of Hindus, Islamists and Buddhas are.
And it was this core belief thatcaused a schism in the Church in
144 AD. That's when St.
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Mercian and Pope Pius the First had their big showdown in Rome.
Mercian laid the first ChristianBible and the Torah side by side
and compared the described actions and behavior of both
gods. The Yahweh deity of the Torah
is, by the words of his own worshippers, A barbaric
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sociopath who not only genocideswomen and children, but even
takes time off to kill his own people when he's in a bad mood.
You see, Yahweh is both good andevil in their belief system.
Read Ezekiel 96 for a taste of the juicy details.
And don't worry, we're going to apply this context to our main
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subject in just a second anyway.Despite these facts, Pope Pius
the First chose to side with theJudaizers and their Yahweh deity
in 382AD. His decision was codified when
the Torah books were stapled to the front of the edited New
Testament. The Torah Yahweh books were then
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renamed and you know them now isthe Old Testament.
And let there be no mistake as we move forward, Yahweh is the
God of the Catholic Church. Yahweh is the God of every
denominator that has Torah booksstapled to the front of their
Bible. And by the way, the name Yahweh
is used 6832 times in that Old Testament and yet we find the
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name Yahweh not even once in theNew Testament.
Well, these are the facts and they are undisputed.
Now with this additional context, we find the changes
made by Pope Francis and the reasoning behind it quite
bizarre. Keeping in mind the dozens of
times that Yahweh tricked, deceived and killed his own
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people, let's read the quote from Pope Francis one more time.
It is not a good translation because it speaks of a God who
induces temptation. UN quote.
And remember, this is He. This is what he said on Italian
TV. Quote, I am the one who falls.
It's not him pushing me into temptation to then see how I
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have fallen. A father doesn't do that.
A father helps you to get up immediately.
It's Satan who leads us into temptation.
That's his department, UN quote.Now, I'm not a papal expert, but
I did do 12 years of Catholic schooling in Chicago taught by
brothers. And I'm going to assume, and
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maybe I'm way off base here, butI'm going to assume that to be
Pope you have to maybe as a minimum requirement, you
probably have to at least read the Bible that your church uses.
So not to put too fine a point on the question, but how do we
square the Pope's statement and reasoning for changing the
Lord's Prayer with what we can all read for ourselves about
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Yahweh in the Old Testament? You know what, I have a better
idea. Let's just skip all the examples
as told by his own people. Let's get a direct quote from
Yahweh himself as we read it in Isaiah 45.
Seven quote. I form the light and create
darkness. I make peace and create evil.
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I, the Lord do all these things,UN quote.
And yet here's Pope Francis distancing Yahweh from ever
causing something like temptation and by extension,
distancing himself from Yahweh. He's like the battered wife of
theology protecting the husband at a cocktail party.
Whoa. I know Yahweh can get a little
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tense from time to time, but somebody to do something?
Wow, he would never do that. I mean, how bizarre.
Now, there was a time when I would just chalk this up to the
usual cognitive dissonance that all Judeo Christians exhibit
when trying to explain two different religions stapled
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together. In fact, they have an entire
apologetics industry that is paid to dance on the head of a
pin and explain away reality. But in this case, I don't think
what Francis said is reflective of simple cognitive dissonance.
Now, despite the cartoonish framing and phrasing that he
uses, there's something much deeper being expressed.
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But what's the word I'm looking for?
Oh yeah, limited hangout with maybe a side order of trial
balloons. Simply put, the Catholic Church
is trying to claim the ground held by the Marcionite Church,
the ground of the good God, the ground of our Father.
Perhaps you've noticed that it seems a veil is slowly being
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removed from the hearts and minds of people and they're
beginning to see things for whatthey truly are.
Why are these judeo-christian denominations suddenly
distancing themselves from the Yahweh deity?
I mean, after 2000 years, it's alittle late to pretend that you
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didn't know what was in your Bible that whole time.
And yet, amazingly, here's the since departed Pope talking like
a Mercianite. How bizarre.
And it didn't just start six years ago with Francis changing
the Lord's Prayer and feigning ignorance of the actions of his
own God. No, the Catholic Church in
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particular felt the ground shifting a long time ago.
I call it the Yahweh problem. You see, everybody signs up for
Jesus. Nobody signs up for Yahweh.
Yahweh is the poison pill they give you on the back end after
signing up for Jesus. And people are starting to wise
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up to the trick, the deception. So how do you solve a 2000 year
old Yahweh problem if you're theCatholic Church?
I mean, sure, you can change a couple of prayers here and
there, but substantially the same problem remains.
At the end of the day you have two options.
Either one, admit you were wrongin 144AD and come home to our
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Father and unify Christians again.
Or two, ignore the Yahweh problem, pop smoke and pretend
it doesn't exist. And as you probably guessed, the
Catholic Church went with door #2.
Now, 17 years ago, June 29th, 2008 to be precise, the
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Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the
Sacraments, otherwise known as CDWDS, published a letter to the
Bishops Conference titled The Name of God, and in it they
ordered the name Yahweh removed from every Catholic liturgical
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guide on the planet. That's right, Every hymn, every
song, every mass, the name Yahweh was then replaced with
the generic descriptors of Lord or God.
Well, what? Yahweh?
Yahweh Who? That's right, meet your new
nameless, anonymous God, just like the anonymous gospel
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authors. How bizarre.
Now, before we circle back to the change itself, I'd like to
just make a quick point about context and the absence of it.
A declarative or story devoid ofcontext is the playground of the
devil and a circus for liars. So whether it's religion,
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politics, or science, make sure that you do your homework.
Now I've given you some context about this Lord's Prayer, but
did you know that context was also provided for the Apostle
Paul's 10 epistles in the first Christian Bible of 144AD?
Prologues accompanied each of the letters describing the
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people and events that surrounded the need for each
epistle. Just an interesting point.
Now back to Pope Francis and hischanging of lead us not into
temptation to do not let us fallinto temptation.
Now I guess we're to assume thatnone of the 5 million full time
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employees of the Catholic Churchactually speaks Greek or that of
its $73 billion treasury, not a single leptin or drachma could
be spared to hire a translator. You see the Greek word for
temptation, pirasmos, can mean test, trial or temptation.
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Thus do not bring us into testing.
Do not put us to the test or lead us not into trial would
have also been good translations.
And by the way, for a clue as towhich test or trial is being
referred to, we turn to Chapter 9 verse one of the gospel of the
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Lord and read the following quote.
And when they bring you up before the synagogues, and unto
the rulers and authorities. Be not anxious or what thing you
shall answer, or what you shall say, for the Holy Spirit shall
teach you in the same hour what you ought to say.
UN quote. Now that sure sounds like a test
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or trial to me. And it serves as a reminder that
each and every word is in that prayer for a reason.
These aren't random words. It's not a rap song where we
grab a speaking spell and find something that rhymes or pick a
word that makes us feel better. And if Bergoglio can change
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words in the Bible because he doesn't like the way something
sounded, who else made changes? You think an English king,
Judaizers in the early church, or a Roman emperor wouldn't also
feel the need to make changes? What?
For the greater good, of course.In other words, there was no
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need to change the most important prayer in
Christianity. But he did it anyway.
He did it deliberate, like spraypainting ghetto graffiti on a
great work of art. It's just bizarre.
But wait a minute. Often than distance I, I think I
hear something ringing. It sounds like oh, that's right,
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it's a clue phone. Gee, I wonder what that's all
about. Well, we just read in the last
verse 2 interesting words, didn't we?
Holy Spirit, let's pull up that graphic again, comparing the
original Lord's Prayer with the edited Matthew, Luke, and
Catholic versions. Now what in the world is going
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on here? Why have all three versions
deleted the words Holy Spirit from the first sentence of the
prayer? Oh, everything is like getting
hazy here. Let me make sure I'm not
imagining things. I better read the original one
more time. Quote.
Father, let your Holy Spirit come upon us, hallowed be your
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name, UN quote. No, there it is.
It's still there. Well, for starters, this proves
that Luke is just an edited version of the Gospel of the
Lord, not the other way around. That debate is now officially
over. But I don't want us to get lost
in the weeds here, so let's stayon point.
Let's find, fix, and finish. Why would the Judaizers who
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wrote Luke and Matthew have a problem with the Holy Spirit
now? In answer, I asked a group of
parishioners from the Marcinite Church for their thoughts on the
deletion, and the consensus seems to be that there was a
coordinated effort to, at the very least, minimize the role
played by the Holy Spirit. You see, Father, let your Holy
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Spirit come upon us is a powerful statement.
It opens the prayer. It reveals the name of our God,
which has stated in the prayer is not something called a
Yahweh. And think about this also
reveals the mechanism by which we receive His gifts.
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Now this causes us to reflect onhow the Holy Spirit is around
us, with us, always. We merely need to ask our Father
that it come upon us. Now, this is not inconsequential
material or random words from a speak and spell.
Somebody or something does not want you thinking about it or
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knowing it. It was deliberately removed for
a reason. Now think about this.
So far, we've only dissected theremoval of seven words and the
replacement of another out of a total of just 58 words.
And we've barely scratched the surface on the changes made to
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the most important prayer in Christianity.
Everything from bread to sin to death has also been changed.
Even the difference between saying in earth or on earth has
been tinkered with. Now, we're running a little long
on this, but if you're interested in a Part 2, let me
know in the comments section. I'm going to leave you today
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with a couple of thoughts. Without the first Bible of 144
AD, we would have been totally unaware of the original words in
the Lord's Prayer. Nobody would have been the wiser
that it was edited. And it's not just the prayer.
We're talking about dozens of key verses in the original 10
epistles, not to mention the entire Gospel of the Lord being
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vandalized with four different Judaized verses, versions of it
being created out of whole cloth.
But do you realize how razor thin close it came to being
erased from history? No you don't.
In three O 3 AD, Roman Emperor Diocletian declared war on all
of Christianity and he ordered every copy of the first Bible to
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be found and set to the torch. He ordered all churches toppled
to the ground and bishops forcedto renounce Jesus.
And when the soldiers went door to door were looking for
scriptures to burn, They weren'tinterested in apocryphal
Judaized nonsense. No, they were looking
specifically for the gospel of the Lord.
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Now a brief synopsis of the Canon debate book sheds light.
Quote By the time of the Diocletianic persecution, in
three O 3 Roman authorities in their campaign to confiscate
Christian property, included therequirement that Christian books
be handed in and burned. In the words of Eusebius, we saw
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with our very eyes the inspired and sacred scriptures committed
to the flames in the marketplaces in response to the
imperial letter ordering the destruction by fire of the
Scriptures. The requirements showed that the
authorities knew Christians had an identifiable set of holy
writings, and they knew of theirimportance to the Christian
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community. Heracles, governor of Bithania
and the chief promoter of the persecution.
Well, he knew the Christian Bible and had already attempted
in two books against the Christians to prove the
falsehood of sacred Scripture, by which was meant Christian
sacred writings, as the reference to Paul and Peter
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makes clear. And Christians themselves
thought they had an identifiableset of Scriptures, for they
immediately experienced A moral dilemma over giving up documents
to the authorities, an issue that became the occasion for the
Donatist schism. Now Christians might hide
writings, try to pass off apocryphal and heretical text,
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or in some cases debate what to hand over and what not to.
But for the most part they knew what books the soldiers were
looking for. UN quote.
Now at this point they thought they had finished the job and
erased all traces of the Bible because just 20 years later,
thinking that there was now a clean slate, Emperor Constantine
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would produce fifty of his own Judaized Bibles after the
Council of Nicaea in 325AD. Interestingly, on a side note,
he executed his wife and first born son less than a year after
the council ended, no doubt a display of his newfound love of
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Christianity. And in 382 AD, the Roman
Catholic Church would adopt his personally approved scriptures
as their own when they finally published their own version of a
Bible. Now, does this added context
help you understand the motivations behind editing
prayers and scriptures? And one final note on the
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editing of prayers and editing the Bible.
It's not a new phenomena. In fact, it was so common,
commonplace, that even the Apostle Paul warned us about
fake and perverted gospels in Galatians 1/4 through 6 quote.
I marvel that ye are so quickly changed from him that called you
in the grace unto a different gospel, which is not another.
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But there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the
gospel of Christ. But though we or an Angel should
announce to you a gospel contrary to what ye have
received, let him be accursed. UN quote.
Simply put, without the solid foundation of the first Bible of
144 AD, you're left with a collection of scribbled psycho
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Babble and stapled together religions instead of drift on
the spiritual Dead Sea without apaddle or rudder.
And it was all by design. When Bergoglio changed the
Lord's Prayer, he made us realize it wasn't the first time
that the Bible had been altered in this way.
Our Father used him to bring forth good, and now you know the
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rest of the story. May our Father's Holy Spirit
find and guide you in these confusing times and lift the
veil from your hearts and minds.I'm Darren Kalam and we'll see
you next time on. Prince butter chat.
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