Episode 21: "KNOCK IT OFF!!!" Millennial Moms & Gentle Parenting: Breaking Cycles Without Losing Your Mind

💡 Episode Description:

What does it really mean to be a gentle parent… when you’re running on no sleep, no patience, and were raised on “because I said so”?

In this episode, Kristina and Christina dig into what gentle parenting actually is (and isn’t), how their ‘90s childhoods shaped their default responses, and why trying to do things differently sometimes feels fake, frustrating — or like you’re about to explode.

Kristina shares a moment where she turned to ChatGPT for help mid-meltdown — and immediately got called out by her 6-year-old for being on her phone. (The irony isn’t lost on us.) They talk through those “I’m doing my best and it’s still not enough” moments, and how to parent from a place of connection… without losing your mind.

This episode is for every mom who’s googled “how to stop yelling at your kids” at 10 PM, the ones who feel guilty after snapping, and the ones doing the messy, beautiful work of breaking cycles — while still saying “knock it off” sometimes.

What Is Gentle Parenting, Really?

We break down the definition we wish we had when we first started:

Gentle parenting is an approach that encourages parents to guide rather than control their children. It prioritizes understanding the child’s feelings and needs, modeling appropriate behavior, and setting consistent, compassionate boundaries. It’s about teaching with the child — not doing things to them.

🧠 Key Principles of Gentle Parenting:

1. Empathy – Trying to understand what your child is feeling, even when their behavior is hard to manage
2. Respect – Treating your child as a whole person whose thoughts and feelings matter, even when they’re little
3. Boundaries – Saying “no” with love, and holding limits without yelling or threats
4. Modeling – Showing them how to regulate emotions and resolve conflict by doing it yourself

🛑 What Gentle Parenting Isn’t:
• It’s not permissive parenting (letting your kid do whatever they want)
• It’s not about being your child’s best friend
• It doesn’t mean never getting angry — it means learning to respond rather than react

💗 This Week’s Pink Spotlights:
• Christina: Roe mineral sunscreen powder with built-in brush — perfect for little faces. Thanks to @aloprofile for the rec!
• Kristina: Splitsapp – Splitwise by Peter (for keeping your life split and sorted). 

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
I'm Christina and I'm t and thisis the Pretty and Pink Again
podcast where motherhood meetsrediscovery.
Hello.
Hey, how are you?
So when this comes out, will itbe your birthday?

(00:21):
It will have been the day aftermy birthday, yes.
Oh, the day after your birthday?
Yes.
So Oh wow.
The big three nine.
So crazy.
Yeah.
So we'll be out celebrating yourbirthday that day.
I know, I know.
We will.
I know, which is so nice.
It'll be great.
We're gonna do a little girllunch, and I'm really excited to
celebrate.
And honestly, I'm going into, soit's the last year of my
thirties.

(00:42):
Mm-hmm.
I have like a couple months onyou, and then you'll be in the
same situation.
But I'm really not scared.
I'm not feeling any negativeenergy around it.
I feel like almost, if I'mwearing it with a badge of honor
like 39, I feel good and likesolid.
Honestly, I feel like I'm readyto go into my forties.

(01:03):
Yeah.
Like instead of being fearful ofit, I really feel like I'm like,
a lot happened this last decade,and I feel like I'm almost like
ready for that, like completefresh start of a new decade.
But I'm excited.
You have a new lease on life.
Yeah.
We went out for lunch for yourbirthday last year.
Yes, we did.
And you and I were not in goodspace.
We were not, no.
We were bad.

(01:23):
No.
It, this is a lot of where thispodcast actually stemmed from.
Yeah.
Where some of those discussionsthat we were having.
But it's insane to think abouthow far mentally I have come.
Yeah.
In that last year.
I always like feel like whetherit's like a new year or a
birthday, I always try toreflect, I get very emotional.
As.
Things as time moves on, andespecially like with the kids'

(01:46):
birthdays, anytime there's likea kind of milestone something
mm-hmm.
like you're hitting a newsomething.
Graduation that we're like,yeah.
End of school year, that type ofthing.
For sure.
I feel like it's time to reflectand that's what I've been doing
the last couple of weeks is wow,I feel like such a different
person.
From that person last year goinginto 38, I was struggling a ton

(02:06):
with my new identity and my newrole and it, I just, I feel so
far removed from that person ina good way.
In a really positive way.
I think that.
Rediscovery is possible at anyphase in your life.
I think that it just goes toshow our listeners that there's
hope and like changing things.

(02:28):
Yes.
Like you can, yeah.
Be uncomfortable.
You can be like emotionallyunstable.
You can be depressed, you can besad, you can be anxious, you can
be overwhelmed, overstimulated.
You can be all of those thingsleading you down this path.
And you can say, all right, weneed to make a change.
Enough is enough.
Enough is enough.
And not to say that you and Idon't on a daily basis call each

(02:48):
other or go for walks and fmeand storm off because you can't
change every everything.
Nope.
And we're gonna talk about thistoday.
Yep.
We're gonna talk about it a lot.
You can't change everything, butsometimes putting things out on
the table.
Create such growth.
That then you feel sturdy Forsure.
And that's why you're going intothis next year feeling like
you're on solid ground.
Yes.

(03:08):
And I think that it gives you,it's a opportunity to pause and
really look back and giveyourself a lot of grace.
So I do think sometimes when youcan look back at something and
really appreciate the journeyit's helpful.
And so that's what I've beendoing as much as I wanna
sometimes say, oh, not that muchhas changed.

(03:29):
I'm still struggling with this,that, and the other thing.
I No, you have changed.
I really have.
I've really grown in a lot ofways and.
I'm really proud of you.
Thank you.
You have grown a lot.
You're a good mommy.
You're a good friend.
Thank you.
You're a good wife.
You're daughter.
I love you very much.
Thank you.
And I love doing this with you.
I too know, love talking too toyou every week.
It's been, I'm mean, I like cry.
It's been so fun.

(03:49):
I know.
It's it's been so impactful inmy life to have you in it and to
have these conversations andjust like hearing people talk to
us and listen to us about justwhat's going on in our personal
lives, but not try to have allthe answers.
This podcast isn't about havingall the answers.
This podcast is about askingmore questions.
I know.
Getting more, I feel likesometimes, which is so ironic.

(04:10):
We're both like teary-eyed andit's I totally agree with that.
I feel like sometimes we thoughtthat we were gonna come on this
podcast and try to find theanswers and all we're doing is
asking more questions.
Yeah.
But it's not in a bad way.
It's not in a, oh, we don't havethe answers.
It's also just like recognizing,we're not reaching, we're not.
There's a difference when you'relike constantly reaching for the

(04:30):
next thing.
I'm not reaching for the nextthing.
No.
I'm sitting in what I have andI'm trying to continue to grow.
And I know you are too.
I know.
So this has been so fun.
I know this has been great and Ican't wait to celebrate yours.
I don't wanna rush through thesummer.
'cause you, not the beginning ofSeptember, but tea is gonna be
right behind me.
Yes.
Turning 39 very soon.

(04:50):
And we are both 86 girls.
We are.
So my dad and I are 30 yearsapart, so are me and my mom.
Exactly.
It's always so easy to rememberthat because, so maybe you'll
like this idea.
So my dad he grew up in like thedisco era.
Mm-hmm.
Like I'm sure so did your mom.
And my dad talks about going tothe disco.
Yeah.
The disco.
Like it's a.
Like it's a verb and out.
It was going to the curb.
Yeah, it was like going out tothe club.

(05:11):
Yeah.
He would go out to the disco.
So I said, dad, we should have aseventies theme, like combined
birthday party and we can createlike a club.
'cause you'll be turning 40 andyou'll be turning 70.
We can create like a club.
Like I love it.
It'll be so fun.
I love that idea.
So I told my par, my mom and mysisters like, dad and I are
gonna have a seventies themeparty next year we're gonna have
a disco.
And they're like, yeah, okay.
I'm That was your idea, not dad.

(05:33):
I know, but I know.
But it'll be fun.
That will be so fun.
And I love that.
I love that.
It's so cute when you are like.
Exactly.
Something apart from each other.
If you're 30, if you're 20 yearsapart and it's like you can go,
you can celebrate going into thenext decade together.
It's so fun.
It makes some more fun andsomething else fun to look
forward to in another.
Yeah.
That's cute year.
All right, but today we'reactually, you chatted about what

(05:54):
we were going to talk abouttoday.
So we were on a walk just theother day.
Yeah.
And I said to you, I was like,sometimes I just wanna scream.
Knock it off.
Yep.
Knock it off.
I do scream.
Knock it off.
Yeah.
Quite a bit.
Rolls off the tongue veryeasily.
Yeah.
That's how I feel.
Sometimes I wanna yell, knock itoff, like with my kids.
Like, Just, that's just whatcomes out.

(06:15):
That was probably what was saidto my me as a kid.
And there's nothing wrong withthat.
There was nothing wrong in myopinion, with my, me having a
fit walking into church.
Because my tights were itchy.
And my mom saying to me, knockit off.
Instead of her being like, onher knees, sweetie, what's
wrong?
Are those tights itchy?
I know tights can be itchy anduncomfortable, but we have to
wear white tights to church.

(06:37):
I wasn't in the mood to hearthat.
No, but what this new wave ofparenting and gentle parenting,
and I'm going to give you achat, GPT recited version of
what gentle parenting is becauseI don't know what it means.
I know.
I feel like we've Yeah.
Been brought into motherhoodwith this new wave.
I, it's not new anymore, but Ifeel like it's just, it's
different in how I think mostpeople our age were brought up.

(07:00):
I agree.
I agree.
And.
I'm curious to know what theofficial definition is, because
I think the word gentle isprobably a little bit misused,
or like misunderstood, I guesswould be the right word, right?
But is gentle parenting.
All right, so I looked it up.
What is gentle parenting?
This is an approach thatencourages parents to guide

(07:23):
rather than control.
It prioritizes understanding thechild's feelings and needs,
modeling appropriate behavior,setting consistent compassionate
boundaries, and it's aboutteaching with the child, not
doing things to the child.
We gotta unpack with that.
'cause it's a mouthful and it'swhat does that mean?
The first thing is that kind ofsets me off is prioritizing your

(07:49):
child's feelings and needs.
Okay.
I think all of us always put ourkids first.
But when I am constantlyprioritizing their feelings,
what is that then gonna resultinto them when they're an adult?
Are they gonna be a completeasshole thinking that they come
first?
I guess that, or am I taking ittoo far?

(08:09):
No, I think that actually bringsup a very good point is this is
a I'm assuming it's not a newway of parenting.
I'm assuming this has probablyalways been some people's way of
parenting.
But I'm curious, since it wasadopted, I would say by like the
millennials.
What.
I'm always looking for thesuccess story, right?
Right.
We even said this with the 90summer.

(08:30):
Yeah.
It's is this an aspiration?
Is there actual data to showthat this is the best way to do
it?
25 year olds that have beengentle parented that it's had a
profound impact on their lives?
Right.
And that they are like pillarsthat this really works.
I think that we just are alwayslooking for,'cause we always,
we're always looking for theanswer.

(08:50):
Yes.
And we are always looking forthe hack and we're always
looking and it's is this helpingor hurting?
And who is it helping orhurting?
And are the children that are.
Parented this way?
Are they coming out superstars?
Is this the optimal way to be?
Is this the optimal way toparent?
Because what, based on the data?

(09:11):
Correct.
Based on the end point.
Are there adults, like you justsaid, are there 25 year olds
that have been parented thisway?
Where now this makes sense?
Like where now you can say, youknow what, these people are a
plus.
They can control their emotions.
They know how to do all of thethings.
The correct way.
They're emotionally mature.
Is this the gold star ofparenting and where are the

(09:34):
parented kids to prove this?
That's I guess where becausewhat you and I are seeing right
now are friends, us friend A andB of Yep.
Who are really having a hardtime doing this.
So that's what we're seeing.
That's what data we havecollected.
Yes.
And research shows like we arethe research, we are the Guinea

(09:55):
pigs.
I am the mother that is reallystruggling to incorporate this
into my day-to-day life.
Yes.
And we're both very goodparents.
You said it, it's like our kidsare our priority.
Mm-hmm.
That is not up for debate.
I think especially when we'relooking at each other, we know
that's a fact.
So Correct.
But fact, I totally agree withwhat you're saying, that a lot

(10:16):
of this comes at the expense ofthe parent.
And I think that.
We're always trying to do thingsdifferent.
We spent our entire podcast lastweek talking about how we're
trying to change how we speak toother women so that we've spent
the past 20 podcasts, trying toadapt ways to enhance what we
already feel at our core.

(10:36):
We're not stuck in our ways.
We are very open to suggestionsI'm open to advice.
I am open to therapy.
I'm open to everything, but youcan only try something so many
times and then tell yourselflike, this doesn't all feel
good.
So from this list, there arethings that I like.
And there are things that Idon't like.
I have to ask you because you'vebeen a mom almost a decade ahead

(11:00):
of me.
Was this something that you didoff the bat, like with your kids
as toddlers?
Was this something that youintegrated or did you go, this
was also, I think, before thesocial media really took off.
This is a newer term to mepersonally.
So when Joseph was born, he's12.
If he wasn't doing something,I'd say no.
I would use the word no.

(11:21):
Okay.
No, don't do that.
No.
Get off the couch.
No, don't do this.
I would use, no.
And Joseph has some of thatfear-based parenting in him.
So something hot?
No okay.
I think that's okay.
And then there were also somethings like, oh, you wanna play
with this and you can't, allright, let me do a switcheroo
and use this.
A little bit of both.

(11:42):
A little bit of both.
But it wasn't to, I wasn'tbeing, I wasn't trying to use
gentle parenting because maybeyou didn't know of it.
I didn't know of it.
Okay.
So you were just going with whatcame natural to you, maybe the
way you were parented or alittle bit a little bit of a
mix.
When do you think that this kindof entered your sphere?
So I think when I had the twins.

(12:05):
My older son was going throughsome like tricky times and I was
trying to help him.
So this was introduced into myrealm to help him through these
tricky times.
Right.
And then now fast forward,present day, this is really when
I've been hearing thisconstantly For sure.
'cause one of my daughters alsois like a deeply feeling kid and

(12:25):
I'm trying to help her and thisdoesn't always help her.
No.
This sometimes thinks, makes herthink like some parts do and
I'll go through like some of thedifferent parts, but some of it
I think just sets her off evenmore.
For sure.
And sometimes when I say to her,you will not like riding in a
car for an hour.
Nobody likes riding in a car foran hour.

(12:46):
Knock it off.
I love the knock it offmagically.
Yes.
Maybe I give her a little bit ofthe being seen, but that's it
enough.
We're done here.
I dunno.
I think that this is a verymixed message and I think that
because, and I know we alwayssay that we're not a parenting
podcast, and so we're not tryingto, I guess we're dissecting the

(13:07):
way we parent in how it thenaffects us as moms or like the
parent.
Because I do think that some ofthis is misunderstood.
I think I heard the term gentleparenting.
I've been a parent for likealmost three and a half years.
I heard the term gentleparenting even before I became a
parent, and I definitelymisunderstood what that meant.

(13:29):
I think at its core.
It probably makes a lot ofsense.
Mm-hmm.
But I think the way we interpretthat, or the way at least I go
about gentle parenting is thatit's adding extra pressure onto
myself.
That I'm not doing things thecorrect way, that I'm gonna end
up, if I parent the way it comesnatural to me, that it's going

(13:52):
to end up with like long-termeffects on my kids.
And I think in some ways itcould be improved for sure.
But I also think in some waysyour knock it off statement.
Is the way it needs to behandled.
I also think sometimes whatrolls off my tongue is no, no.
Like this is not up for debate.

(14:14):
No is a sentence, I'm the adult.
I don't need to get down on yourlevel and explain every single
thing.
No means no.
And so sometimes I think takingon the brunt of that pressure is
exhausting and it's adding moreshit to our plates that we
always talk.
We're trying to like remove andlighten it up a little bit.

(14:34):
And I think that this feels verylike suppressive.
And.
It's exhausting, right?
It's exhausting.
And then I think that then theadded layer of guilt of I'm not
gentle parenting.
I'm not doing what's in rightnow.
Am I causing damage to my kid bynot validating their feelings
all the time?
Like that guilt eats away at me,and then it's another thing that

(14:56):
I get frustrated about, right?
So on this list here, the keyprinciples of gentle parenting.
The first one is empathy.
Trying to understand how yourchild is feeling and when their
behavior is hard to manage.
Okay?
I think that we both do that.
Yeah, all the time, for sure.
Day in and day out.
Respect treating your child as awhole person whose thoughts and

(15:16):
feelings matter.
Then number three, boundariessaying no, but with love and
holding limits, without yellingor threats.
But then number four is veryinteresting, and that's
modeling, showing them how toregulate emotions and resolve
conflict by doing it yourselfwell, when by the time you get
to number four.

(15:36):
Modeling this behavior withcontrolling emotions.
First of all, that's a wholeloaded statement in itself.
It is.
I don't know why you always haveto control your emotions.
I know.
I don't understand why it's notacceptable to have outbursts.
I think I have outbursts all thetime.
I know.
I think that some of theseapproaches make a lot of sense
to me.
Totally.
I connect to them.
Yes.
So I think that obviously,number four, which it says you,

(16:00):
it takes a while to get to thatpoint, but I do think that it's
healthy for kids to see you gothrough the whole range of
emotions.
We've talked about this.
Yes.
We've actually talked to.
Therapists and psychiatristsabout this, on this very podcast
about how that is, okay.
So kids, it's okay for them.
It's angry and upset andfrustrated.
It's healthy for them to see andthen repair after so that you're

(16:20):
not a robot.
So that they don't just see thehappy mom all the time, or the
calm mom like, because then theyare not gonna know how to do
anything.
They're not gonna know how to gothrough the range of emotions.
So we've heard it firsthand fromour experts that have been on
this podcast that it's okay forthem to see you frustrated, for
you to say that out loud.
I'm frustrated.

(16:41):
I don't know what to do rightnow.
And then I.
For them to see you and they'veused the word repair to repair
that and work through all ofthose emotions.
So I really like that aspect ofgentle parenting.
Yes.
And I think that to me, I do tryto model that.
If they do see me have anoutburst, then they are going to
see the repair from that.

(17:01):
So if I am weak and I have theoutburst because I'm a human
being, then they at least get tosee the other range of emotions,
me working through it, me comingback down, I apologize.
I'll say Mom was veryfrustrated.
I'm sorry my voice got loud.
I'm sorry if that scared you.
They do see that, they see thatwhole range of emotions, but
where I struggle a lot is theconstant need to validate every

(17:26):
single thing all of the time.
Like I keep using the word it'sexhausting, it's emotionally
draining, it's physicallydraining it.
It's a huge time suck.
It just really is and honestly,I'm really not finding success
there.
Yeah.
And I think, granted, I havetoddlers, so I feel like it
always goes back to that, butI'm not seeing any sort of

(17:48):
success with that.
Right.
Well, Before we hopped on thispodcast, I talked to my sister
Nicole and we read AnxiousGeneration i've always wanted to
read that.
It's a great read and I'll givelike a little brief summary of
it.
It, or at least my what I'veextrapolated from that book.
But when I was talking to mysister about this topic, she is
a middle school teacher andshe's a special ed teacher and
she deals with a lot of behaviorissues.

(18:10):
Yeah.
And the part of this gentleparenting that she struggles
with is that now she has middleschoolers who are at that 12,
13-year-old age who.
Constantly need to have theirfeelings validated.
And what she is now seeing is ageneration of kids who think
that their feelings come first.
What's missing is thatself-regulation piece for them,

(18:31):
right?
Because of all of the validationthat they've been given.
The anxious generation outlinedthe two major changes that sort
of occurred in like the mid twothousands that there's like
overprotection from the realworld.
And how I think it connects tothis podcast is that we are
completely dysregulatedourselves and we're raising kids

(18:55):
in this like pressure cooker,and you even said it earlier
that your head is spinningsometimes because you feel so
guilty that you're doing it thewrong way.
We have access to all thesedifferent methods and all these
different ways and this way mayhave some success, but we're
really struggling applying it.
Day to day, I really am.

(19:15):
I really am.
And like we've talked aboutother hacks and ways that we're
trying to do this.
I've shared like the good insideapp that I've used, when I'm
dealing with a kid that's havinga meltdown situation, how I'm
supposed to act and it.
The issue that I'm having isthat, yes, we spend most of our
time here talking about ways wewanna better ourselves, and we

(19:38):
want to grow and we wannaimprove and we want the best for
our kids.
But sometimes I feel extremelyfraudulent in the way that I
have to handle things becauseI'm always worried about how
this is going to impact my kids.
And my question is for othergenerations, so I know we have a

(19:58):
range of listener ages on here,but did other generations have
go through life like so worriedall the time?
Like I'm really curious.
I know that at the, at theircore, I'm assuming our parents
probably wanted the best for usand worried about our feelings
and deeply cared about ourfeelings.
But I wonder if they dealt withthe same level of like pressure

(20:21):
and.
Guilt associated with it becauseit literally truly eats me
alive.
Every single day I am like, didI do this right?
Is this messing them up?
And I think that then you'reinundated back with, like you're
saying, because you're just inthis sphere of like reels and
tiktoks and parenting advice andall this.
It's, it is just so much.

(20:41):
And I then see a reel, right?
It's like it knows, right?
Like it knows I've had a badday, and then I'll see a reel
about.
Dealing with toddlers and gentleparenting.
And then I'll see all of thethings I did wrong in that
situation according to gentleparenting it.
And it will say oh, you'resupposed to hold your cool,

(21:01):
you're supposed to get down ontheir level and validate their
feelings and do and it go, yougo through the range.
And I know all of the ways thatI just effed up completely.
And so then I sit with that andit sits on my chest and it's
very heavy.
It's a heavy feeling.
Yeah.
And then you feel like, crap.
How are you supposed to enterthe room?
Light is a feather.
And float around your childrenand model, patience.

(21:23):
When you feel so guilty and soheavy from thinking that you're
failing, it's hard to put, it'sput one foot in front of the
other, it's to the next dayit's, and start fresh.
So I wanna go over, what gentleparenting is not.
Yes.
Because again, I think that, andit might even be, if you think
about it, like all theinformation that.
Is out there.

(21:44):
Like here we are, we're apodcast.
We're not experts.
We bring on experts sometimes.
But if you think about the typeof content that circulates out
there, the content that you'reconsuming might not even be
coming from like a scientificplace.
There's anybody could get on areel and just rattle off
information that, they're takinga specific way.

(22:04):
So sometimes I even get a littlebit wary of like where this
information is coming from, butlike in the moment, you're not
strong enough to think throughthat.
So you just sit with all thethings that you did wrong.
Well, In this moment, afterwe've had time to sit in it, we
don't need scientific data or anInstagram reel to know certain
things work for our children.

(22:25):
Certain things don't, andcertain things feel good inside
and certain things don't.
It's true.
And.
Like sometimes you have to alsoaccount for how things feel and
to how, and like you said, howthings work for your family, you
and how things work for myfamily.
I guess you it goes back to justowning that and being
comfortable with it.
As a new parent though, I couldconfidently raise my hand and

(22:46):
say that I feel like we'redipping our toes into this
world.
You always say like the firstfew years you're a custodian to
your kids.
Like you.
Oh, I love that.
Because it's such a good, likeit's a way to think good mutual
where it's just.
It's just because that's whatyou're dealing with.
And then when the kids startgetting a little bit older, you
really start taking on a moreactive parenting role.
Mm-hmm.
How you would, identify how toparent somebody.

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When they're little, you're justworried.
So much more emotional.
Yeah.
You're worried about likefeeding and cleaning and you're
doing all the things to keepeverybody going, to keep
everything clean and then theyget a little bit older.
But I wanna go back to whatGentle parenting is.
Not, is not because we dug thisout.
It's what we think.
Yes.
Because I think that some of theinformation that we're consuming

(23:31):
is incorrect.
And I also think that adds.
To the weight that we've beentalking about.
So what gentle parenting's topoint out is not, it is not
permissive parenting.
It is not letting your kid dowhatever they want.
And that was a big thing thatyou said on our walk the other
day.
Yes.
That you will not allow forthat.
You will not allow your child towalk into somebody else's home
and just run in No wild.

(23:52):
And if they want somethingthat's, I, what I struggle with
right now is the curiosity.
So it's the, oh, I wanna playwith this little appliance,
right?
What is this little mixer thatlooks fun?
And it tur everything turns intoa power struggle right now with
a three and a half year old.
It's it's constant.
No, you cannot play with that.

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That is not a toy.
And I try to hold that boundary,but it becomes a power struggle.
And it goes back and forth wheresometimes I just wanna give him
whatever he wants to stop thetantrum.
Because the curiosity, unlessit's a completely unsafe thing
to play with.
But it's yes, I know that it'sstemming from curiosity,
wondering how things work.
I'm sure a lot of little boys,and maybe even some little

(24:34):
girls, but my son is very likeinto how things work.
Yes.
So he likes like a fan.
Like it's oh, it's spinning.
How does it work?
I'm interested in something.
He likes seeing how the coffeemachine works.
That's how his mind works.
He wants to see everything.
He's curious and that's great.
Except no, sometimes you are,you're not allowed to touch
something and I struggle withthe having to validate that all

(24:57):
the time because me saying to athree and a half year old all
the time, that is not a toy.
It is not safe to play with,doesn't register.
So sometimes I end up finding,which I said at the beginning of
this podcast, no means no, Idon't have to explain myself any
further.
We're done with thisconversation and that's where I
wanna end it, except a tantrumensues.
From that, right?

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And so what it is not ispermissive parenting.
So I think that I'm doing thatcorrectly if I'm looking at this
list, right?
Which we had to dig for.
What is it not?
Yeah.
Or like the ways that you mightmisunderstood what gentle
parenting is.
It is not about being yourchild's best friend.
I like that too.
Like I like keeping thatboundary clear of I am the adult

(25:39):
and you are the kid.
And so I think that sometimesgoes back to the right.
So you can still, I know betterthan you do.
So this is the end of theconversation, right?
So you can still offer empathysupport, try to understand their
feelings, but still you have thefinal say, yes, this is what I
think is safest, best decisionfor you at this time.
Yes, that is my job, right?
My job is I'm the parent and Iam here to keep you safe and to

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help us go through life, right?
In a safe and happy way.
I am not here to be your bestfriend.
And I totally agree with that,right?
And then it is.
It also doesn't mean nevergetting angry.
It's about learning how torespond to anger constructively.
So when I look at this, I don'tthink I'm doing a shitty job.

(26:23):
That I'm actually, I actuallyagree with all three of those.
Yes, 100%.
So I think that putting that outthere, because I don't know, I
can only speak for what I see interms of content, but that is
not the type of content that I'minundated with.
No, you're inundated with, I'min the first four that we said
it is.
I am inundated with this.
I would call it extreme gentleparenting where it is gentle, it

(26:46):
is not boundaries.
It's, and so maybe I'm consumingthe wrong content, but it's also
that's what I'm seeing.
And so that's what we had.
Flooding had a for the what?
It's not, yes.
We had to didn't just pop up.
No.
So that's a good reminder.
If you guys are just as confusedabout gentle parenting as us, or
if you ever find yourself likebeating yourself up over how you

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acted, I think that likeliterally, we'll put this in the
show notes again so that you canread through this.
If you're having a bad day andyou handled things the way that
you felt was a correct way tohandle it.
I love this.
Read these last straight I wannaread this to myself.
It is not permissive parenting.
It is not about being yourchild's best friend.
And it is not about nevergetting angry.

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And I think that to me, justlike reciting those lines or
hearing them makes me feel it.
Like light immediately lightenedme.
Immediately.
I love that.
That should be your new mantra.
I know.
So why doesn't this feel sonatural?
And why is it hard to overrideour default settings?
Because it's how duh Yes.

(27:49):
It how we were brought up.
It's how we're living our life.
Yep.
And I will say that I feel whenI grew, you know, I do feel like
I got a mix.
Like my mom has always been likea very like emotional, sturdy
leader.
That's how you always, I lovethat.
Say it.
And that's how I think of mymom.
She's always been someone I cango to.
She listens to me vent.

(28:10):
She, would always validate me incertain ways and was never like
my best friend growing up untilI became an adult.
Like she was still Yeah.
You earned that.
She was still to be her equal.
I like that.
You earned that.
Yeah.
As you grow you can become bestfriends later in life.
But she was my mom, like I, Iwouldn't have called her my best

(28:33):
an authority.
She was friend, grown up.
She was an authority and nomeant no.
And I knew that, and especiallyeven with my dad, I feel like he
never had to explain himself.
No was no.
And it was just like, now thatI'm an adult.
I understand the reasons why.
No meant no.
Like I remember a couple oftimes him just saying no and I'm

(28:53):
not explaining myself.
And yeah, it took me a handfulof years to get to the point
where I can understand why hewould be uncomfortable with
certain situations.
But that's it.
So I guess I'm, again, goingback to the we don't have
enough, like I don't know enoughpeople that can come from the
other side of things and say,oh, I was from the generation

(29:14):
where, my feelings were alwaysvalidated and everything got
explained to me.
And how are they viewing thingsnow?
You're saying that we're hearingsome people are coming forward
and saying that they don't knowhow to handle certain things?
So I think sometimes it's not upto a child to understand every
single thing and why decisionsare made and why the answer is

(29:35):
no and why things are the waythey are.
It's not their job now.
It's not their job.
And.
So I have a couple examples ofwhy I don't think this is coming
natural to me and why it's notparticularly working.
Tell me in my life.
One of my kids, is having a veryhard time controlling her
emotions and I don't expect herto be calm at all times.

(29:59):
Just like I can't be calm at alltimes.
No.
But she's having a very hardtime controlling herself and
what it's then doing is likeupsetting the whole family.
And then it's very just hard ingeneral for her because her
siblings get mad at her and thenwe get mad at her and it's just
it's just like a vicious cycle.
So I had her see this therapistand the therapist said to her,

(30:19):
you can be the president of youremotions.
That is a lot to put on a6-year-old.
Like you are the president ofyour emotions.
Doesn't even know what thatmeans.
So the next day, Nick and I areout for the day and she's with
my mom and she's.
She's calling us constantly andcalling us constantly, and she's
telling my mom, Nani, I am thepresident of my emotions.

(30:39):
And she's taking it as no, I'mthe boss.
I'm the boss.
Oh.
So my mom must have said to hersomething along the lines of no,
you are not the boss.
Nani's the boss.
I'm the authority.
I'm in charge.
Like the whole thing.
It's a power struggle now.
Became a power struggle.
The whole conversation gotmisconstrued.
What the therapist was trying toteach her was, you are in

(31:00):
control of yourself.
Don't tell yourself you can'tcalm down.
You do have that opportunity toturn it around, but by saying
you are the president of yourfeelings.
Took it to another level for a6-year-old for sure, because she
didn't understand it.
So she's calling Nick and Nicksays to her, remember, you are
the president of your feelings.
And you know what she said tous?

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I don't wanna be.
Like, she was basically sayingto us, I wanna have it.
I don't wanna have control.
I want you to fix it for me.
I'm only six.
I know I can't control this.
I want you to do this for me.
It's almost so yes, I, okay, soshe said it herself, whether,
and she didn't even mean to sayit because look what she said, I

(31:44):
don't wanna be the queenanymore.
Its too much her, she wants us,us to say, you need to go into
this calm room with your squishyand have your snack.
You need to chill out.
That's what she is looking for.
She's looking for the firmness.
And sometimes I think to thispoint, it's, it is a little
gray.
It's not really there's, it's alittle grays.
I know that it's supposed to beboundaries and it's supposed to

(32:07):
be all these things.
But again, I think that we'rebeing misguided with, because I
don't think that some of thesepractices are, they're not like.
Defined enough, right?
There maybe it's it is it'sopening up a lot of room for
interpretation.
It's, and it's confusingeverybody.
It's very confusing.
So then fast forward to the nextday, we're hearing how the day,

(32:31):
'cause Nick and I left them thegirls for the night with my
parents.
And my mom really has a hardtime with this because this is
now so far removed.
It would make sense, and I'llstart here first.
So my mom, I think like your momwas a very emotionally sturdy
leader in my life.
And I think since I've had kids,I've seen her become anxious and

(32:52):
I think it's hard for her towatch her daughter, who she
thinks is a sturdy leader,become an absolute effing
disaster.
She sees me like, lose it.
She sees me melt down.
She sees how hard it is toparent in this day and age, and
I think it's really hard on herto see her kid.
Constantly messing up or feellike she's messing up, feeling

(33:13):
like she's messing up.
She feels, she's constantly Idon't know how you're doing it.
I don't know how you're managingtheir schedules.
I like, I feel so bad, blah,blah, blah.
Did I fail you?
Did I not do things right?
She's a confident woman and noweven she's second guessing
herself.
She probably felt like sheraised a very confident daughter
who is very sure of herself.
'cause you've said that, you'vesaid that you really didn't
experience a lot of anxietyuntil you became a parent.

(33:34):
And so I do think that it's hardfor generations to then watch
their children have to parent.
Like you said, in this day andage, and maybe try to like
decipher a different way to dothings and like we're just
wrestling with a lot.
We are.
Good point.
And then I do think that it mustbe hard for our parents to see
us struggling, in this role.
Yeah.
And I do think that then youwould take that upon yourself to

(33:58):
be like, did I do somethingwrong?
That's exactly, she's doing whatwe're saying we're doing now.
Where like you're taking on,you're empathetic, you're taking
on the feelings of your kids.
You're feeling like you messedit all up.
Like she's still doing that.
Because she's still a parent.
She's still your mom.
You're always gonna be Yeah.
A parent.
Doesn't matter how old your kidis.
So my daughter was in a mood,and so she's having now another

(34:19):
meltdown.
She never regulated.
She keeps asking me and askingme, and screaming.
And I said, hang on a second.
So we went into the Good Insideapp that you had suggested to me
a few weeks ago, and there'slike an AI bot, chat bot
component of that.
And I typed right into it I'm inthe car with my daughter.
I wrote the whole scenario.
Yeah.
And so then I said, all and Istarted reciting what it told me

(34:40):
to say, and she startedscreaming at me and said, you
can't even talk to me.
You need the phone to talk tome.
You need the phone to tell mewhat to say.
That pissed her off even more.
So I Now you're looking like youdon't have the answers.
And I'm also that's notconfidence to her.
I'm not sturdy.
Yes.
Mother.
Whereas I think if I hadprobably just said to her, I
don't know what to say rightnow, and we're in the car.

(35:02):
And when we're in the car, weneed you to stay quiet.
And once I can process this,then we'll discuss it later at
home we'll have a conversation.
And that's what would've comenatural to me.
What didn't feel natural to mewas pausing and validating her
feelings and saying, okay, Iknow that this is frustrating
you.
I know that you're hot and Iknow that you're tired and I

(35:24):
know this and I know you don'tlike being in the car rides for
30 minutes, but in order, likenone of that was coming natural.
No.
And neither did the response atthat moment.
And I think what's sofrustrating and she didn't like
it either.
Yes.
Is that's what I was gonna say,that it doesn't always work.
And so it's very, it, I thinkthat it would be very different

(35:44):
if we came into this whole thingwhere we're trying to better
ourselves and do things adifferent way for a variety of
reasons.
And if we saw.
The success of that happeningand we saw this was actually
helping our children and it wasactually doing a lot of good for
them.

(36:05):
I think that it's just likeanything else, when you see
success with something, it'seasier to continue on.
Yeah.
It's motivating.
You can buy into it.
I think what's happening, andI'm very curious, I want this to
be a discussion because this issomething that we talk about all
the time.
I want our listeners, we wannahear from you.
Do you feel the same way as us?

(36:25):
If you're finding success inthis, is it easier to keep going
with it?
Because I keep saying, I knowI'm in the toddler phase, but
I'm not having success withthis.
So to me it's just like withanything else, when do you pivot
and start doing something else,right?
Like, how long does this gowhere we're just gonna gentle
parent, I'm gonna continue to dowhat comes.

(36:46):
Unnatural to me.
I'm gonna have to completely goagainst what I want to do at the
core of me.
And if I'm not seeing successwith this, how far does this go?
We just keep doing this toourselves.
It's just a cycle of, I'mfeeling invalidated.
I'm trying to validate you.
How far does this go?
You have to think of life aslike a buffet, which, I don't

(37:08):
really even like buffets, but Ilike when I just get like my
plated meal and I like a littleof everything and you like a
little of everything, but.
Life is like that buffet.
You have to take the little bitsthat you like.
Yeah.
And then put back the thingsthat you don't like and you have
to accept some of the naturalshifts.
And that's maybe what this canbe.
Yes.

(37:28):
Maybe we can leave some of it inon the curb, and then take those
three key parts of what it's notand almost like can like tailor
it to that tailor.
Tailor it to that.
Yeah.
Like when my husband grew up,they had one TV in the family
room and whatever the dad wantedto watch on TV is what the
family watched and nobody saidanything.
Okay.
Things have evolved a little bitand now people don't even watch

(37:50):
TV as a family.
Or the kids have a say in whatto watch.
I'm just saying like some thingscan evolve and change, I guess
my long-winded.
Point of that is that I stilllike the idea that the father or
the parents controlled what wason tv.
I know the little kid should notbe controlling what's on tv.

(38:12):
And I think that what sucks forour generation is that if that
was how you grew up, right?
Yes.
And then now it's the oppositewhere it's like you grew up with
parents that controlledeverything in the household and
now you grow up with kids who Iknow they're not supposed to,
but kids who control everythingin the household you're just
stuck in this place where youfeel, and that's why to me, this

(38:35):
feels so fraudulent.
It's when is it about me?
Yeah.
When is it about us, theparents?
When are we in charge?
Like when do we feel like thiswill come a little bit more
natural?
And I think part of it is.
Letting your kids be in chargeof little things to make them
feel powerful, but ultimatelyknowing that you are Oz, you are

(38:57):
the one Right.
Controlling everything.
I know.
And so that's why I thinksometimes when I think of the
examples of okay, you'resupposed to let them pick the
blue cup or the green cup, orhow do you want the banana
peeled?
Do you wanna peeled all the waydown?
That's what I was thinking.
Yeah.
Was some of those examples oflike how you can involve the kid
to feel like they're right.

(39:18):
You buy the clothes, but theyget to put them on their body
and put them out.
But again, I'm not findingsuccess in this.
This could very well be becausemy kids are too young for this.
But I'm very curious to hearwhat other parents like
truthfully no bs.
Is this working for you?
And then me, and we're notsitting here like completely
shitting on it.
If it's working I would love toknow.

(39:39):
But I do think that you raisedsuch a good point of like, some
things work for families andsome things don't.
Like I think that sometimes andeverybody's kids are different.
I think at different phasesthings can work different.
Like you have to be on your toesand adapt to things.
But like right now, I'm notfinding a lot of success in
this.
And also even if your kids werethriving and they were doing

(40:01):
great, if you are not feelinggreat about it, then that's not
success then that's notsuccessful's not successful.
You're right.
So I think that there's twoparts to it.
Yes.
It's collectively as a family,you have to feel good about
what's going on.
So that's very interestingusually we have some takeaways,
right?
Like we always do listen, whatare the takeaways from the text?
I think my takeaway is that youand I really have a hard time

(40:24):
just in general remaining calm.
Yeah.
And those are two things that weare working on.
But we're not perfect.
We're trying hard to remain calmand it's hard to model calm one.
It just doesn't come natural, tobe calm.
And we're trying to not make ourdaughters like be calm and meek
and quiet.
We're trying to teach them thatthere are boundaries.

(40:44):
No means no.
And again, your daughter'slittle, she's a toddler.
So the outbursts are differentthan like my daughter who's a
little bit older.
But it's really hard to modelthese, don't have outbursts when
I keep having outbursts.
It is, and this just goes backto what we keep talking about
when we said at the beginning ofthe episode, sometimes our.
Podcasts are less about findingthe answers to things and

(41:08):
they're just continuing to openup more questions.
Yeah.
And so I feel like I hate toleave it on this, but I don't
think that we have a ton oftakeaways because we're both
just not really finding a wholelot of success in this gentle
parenting approach and we'retending to want to lean towards
what comes more natural for us.
And I think that we just have todo that.

(41:29):
Yeah.
I think that's just, we try, wedo our best.
We remain calm when we can.
We recite the mantras that feelbest to us.
Mine right now that I've adoptedis, this is temporary and.
It will go back to what it'ssupposed to be or it will go
back to a calmer place.
Usually I can't even get to thatpoint in my, when I'm reciting

(41:50):
it to myself, I just say, thisis temporary.
It will pass.
This is temporary.
It will pass.
When I'm in the middle ofsomething where both kids are
screaming and I just can'tfigure it out, like that's what
I say to myself.
So I don't really think that wehave a ton of takeaways all the,
it's just listen to yourself andI guess you do have to trust
yourself at the end of the day.

(42:11):
Yeah.
You have to trust your gut.
If it doesn't feel good, itdoesn't feel good way.
No and don't yourself in thefraudulent position.
And if you end up reverting backto tactics that were used on
you, then it is what it is.
Like we're all here and we'reall doing our best and our
parents all did their best.
One of the things and no one'sperfect.
One of the things, one of thethings in that book, anxious

(42:31):
Generation, a takeaway that Iloved from that book was that
we.
Try to give our kids everythingthat we didn't have when we were
kids.
But what we forget to do is givethem what we did have.
What worked, and just thingsthat we had in life.
If you grew up middle, lowerclass, and now you grow up like,
upper class.

(42:52):
I'm just using that as like arandom example.
You are not giving your kidsthat strong work ethic to propel
the to get a job when you'reRight.
Like a paper route when you're12 or things like that, you're
forgetting to give them what youdid have.
So there were things that didn'twork for me growing up.
Yep.
But there were things that did.
Yes.
So instead of just trying togive my kids what I didn't have,

(43:14):
yes.
I need to give them what I didhave.
Yes.
Okay.
And what I did have was a motherand a father who said to me,
knock it off.
There you go.
And it worked.
'cause it, and it workssometimes you all, you need.
As an adult.
Even like when I'm spiralingsometimes all I need is someone
to just be like, stop enough.
Like it's because not everythinghas to be a thing.

(43:35):
I love when you say that this,we always say, I love when you
say.
So I do think that sometimesthat's a perfect way to end this
topic is first of all we'regonna say, knock it off.
I'm gonna adopt that.
'cause mine is just stop it.
Stop it.
Actually my daughter Layla goes,now she'll go stop it.
And I'm like, yeah, you'readopting that.
And like also not a bad thingfor you to know, to say, God,

(43:55):
stop it.
Knock it off.
Like it's okay.
Means no, no means no.
These are okay phrases.
And if we've gotten.
Gentle parenting all wrong.
And like we've just tended to,sorry.
You know, Like we did it.
We're go, we're doing our bestand have been inundated with so
much information.
It's confusing, right?
Because I know, I'm sure expertsare gonna come on and say, what
are you talking about?

(44:15):
This could be like socialmedia's form of gentle
parenting.
Maybe.
We'll, maybe we'll call it that.
Yes.
We'll call it social media'sform of gentle parenting.
That's the perfect way.
But I do, I think that's, Ithink that you just wrapped it
up perfectly.
So say it again, just so thatgive your kids and yourself not
only what you didn't have inyour childhood, but things that
you did have too.

(44:36):
The things that worked for you.
The things that worked for you.
Okay, so closing out.
We're gonna chat.
Quickly about our pinkspotlights of the week, which is
a little something that's makingeach of our lives a little bit
better this week.
So t what is yours?
So yesterday, unfortunately youcouldn't make it.
I know.
I'm so bumed.
I had to listen.
I was so busy with work.

(44:57):
I know.
Which I'm happy you're busy.
I know.
So yesterday we went to theHamptons for the day.
And we did, it was actually agreat, it was a great trip.
I was a little leery.
'cause it's not easy to get tothe Hamptons.
No, it's it requires like a hotskip and a jump.
Literally.
Like literally.
But we took the ferry and it wasa great day.
It's it could still be a daytrip.
It's just that there's a lot ofsteps.
It was a day trip.
There were a lot of steps, butactually once the steps are

(45:19):
broken down it's not bad.
It was totally manageable.
The ferry is a great way tobreak it up because you can get
something to eat.
You can you're not driving soyou're can like, yeah.
It feels like you're onvacation.
Tune out.
Yeah, it's pretty, whatever.
So there was five of us thatwent.
So one person like booked theferry, one person put gas in the
car, one person paid for lunch,one person got coffees, one

(45:40):
person did this.
And sometimes you're like, oh,whatever.
I'll absorb this, I'll absorbthat.
And then one of my girlfriendssaid, my husband used the splits
app all the time.
Why don't we download the splitsapp?
I think it's called Splitwise.
Okay.
And I'll create a trip and I'llput all of our names in.
So basically whatever I paidfor.

(46:00):
I just put the amount that Ipaid in there.
So you paid for coffees, right?
Yeah.
Someone paid for gas.
Gas, whatever.
Yeah.
And then who, somebody paid forlunch, somebody paid for dinner,
somebody paid for the ferry,somebody paid da, whatever it
was.
And then at the end, onceeverything has been inputted,
you put settle up.
And what it does is let's say Iowed you$20, right?

(46:21):
And then you owed somebody else$40 and that person owed me$60.
You might only have to end uppaying just.
Me like a dollar or something.
Oh, so that everybody gets back.
What?
So it's fair?
Yes.
It makes it easy.
Oh, okay.
And it makes it easy.
Oh, I love that.
So you can also put your creditcard right into the splits app.
Yeah.
Or you can just settle up andthen Venmo.

(46:42):
So you can hit settle up andthat'll send out payment.
Or you can hit settle up andthen send out payment however
you want.
Oh, that makes so much cash orwhatever.
Oh, I love that.
It was great tip.
It was awesome.
Especially for a big group,because everybody usually ends
up paying for certain things.
Yeah.
But it's not always.
But this, and sometimes you likefeel, sometimes it's okay, yeah,

(47:02):
there's a Venmo request for$20,right?
Not that I feel stupid doingthat.
Oh, I love that.
But this I don't feel bad doingbecause everybody is inputting
what they did and then it'seasy.
And then I love that.
That's so great.
So mine is gonna be a little bitof a repeat from when we had
Lauren on from a low profile acouple weeks ago, because she
actually recommended this and Igrabbed it right away.

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It was powdered sunscreen forthe kids.
And so we obviously used it onour trip and it has been great.
So it was a very goodrecommendation.
It's from the brand.
Row, I believe is the brand.
And it's literally a, has alittle brush.
It almost looks like a makeupbrush and then the powder

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sunscreen is underneath it.
So you just click it and itdisperses into the brush and
then you can brush it on.
And so it is so great for theface for the kids.
My kids like squirm and theydon't like sunscreen.
Nobody does being appliedespecially to their face.
And I feel like some of thewhite mineral sunscreen, it's so
hard to spread and.
And like work in, so it's just,it ends up being like a workout

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for me to put it on both of thekids.
So they actually really likethis.
Because I can get it in theirears on their hairline where
it's it's not making a hugemess.
It's also great for touch-ups.
So I've been loving it.
And we didn't use it on the kidsyesterday, and Layla ended up
like we put regular sunscreen onher face and she ended up like
crying a little bit and it gotinto her eyes.

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And so I was like, we wouldn'thave had this issue if we
remembered the powder sunscreen.
It was just in one of the otherbags.
So I was like, fluffy brush isfun too.
It's fun.
Yeah, they laugh.
Like when we put it on them.
And so it's great.
It I wouldn't necessarily use itover their entire body because
it's not like a huge amount ofit, but it's so great for like
tricky places or the faceespecially.
But and for Touchups, I thinkit's just absolutely great.

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We will make sure to put that inthe show notes if you have like
young kids or even I guess foryourself.
I feel like it's just nice.
I've actually used one too, formyself.
It's like a setting powder, andit's been great.
That's why I was like, oh, Iknow that actually works well.
Yeah.
I have one from Den and it'sactually it's powdered
sunscreen, but it has like awhat is it?
Like a setting powder, I don'tknow if it's a setting powder.

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Oh, okay.
Or if it's just that it's maybedoes it absorb, has a color.
Oh color.
It has a color to it.
Color, almost like a bronzer.
Oh, okay.
Cool.
Yes, exactly.
Thank you.
Cool.
I like that.
It's like a bronzer cool.
That you can just, oh, I lovethat on your face and love it.
Whatever.
So that has been, that was agreat recommendation.
So I'm piggybacking on somebodyelse's pink spotlight, but I
love it.
It was literally wonderful.
She shared influenced, sheinfluenced, yep.

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That's her job.
And it worked and it was it'sreally great.
So I'll put it in the show notesfor you if you guys wanna grab
it.
Yeah, it's wonderful.
Alright, thank you guys.
We will be back soon and we havesome really great guests coming
on.
Yes.
For some parts of the summer.
It's tricky in the summer.
Yeah.
Nailing down schedules andeverybody's with their kids and
so yeah, that's okay.
We have enough to talk about.
Yeah, we clearly do.
We clearly have enough, weclearly do to talk about, but

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