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In part two, I am going to be telling you a little bit more about each of the victims we are also going to go into detail about who exactly the Wagner family was and how they related to the Rhoden family and became involved in the largest massacre in Pike County Ohio to date.
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In part two, I am going to be telling you a little bit more about each of the victims we are also going to go into detail about who exactly the Wagner family was and how they related to the Rhoden family and became involved in the largest massacre in Pike County Ohio to date.
Sources for episode:
https://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/12-jurors-seated-in-pike-county-massacre-trial-6-alternates-to-be-chosen-cincinnati-waverly-wagner-george-billy-jake-angela-rhoden-gilley-custody-murders-shooting-men-women-?photo=2
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Poppy killed Mommy was the first thing my little sister
said to me after her father murdered our mother. My
mom had gotten off the phone at nine fifty three
pm on July eighth, nineteen ninety three, after making plans
to leave him. By one forty am, a nine one
one call was placed asking for help. Three hours and
forty seven minutes. That's how fast a woman can go
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from planning her escape to being gone. Her death was
ruled a homicide. The man who killed her admitted that
he might have shot her. My sister, just three years old,
told police more than a dozen times Poppy killed Mommy,
but the Yavapai County Attorney said there was enough evidence
to prosecute. Seventy five percent of women murdered by an
intimate partner are killed while they're trying to leave. My
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mom became part of that statistic. This is the story
they buried. Listen to Poppy killed Mommy and hear what
they refused to see.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Welcome to Summer Series twenty twenty five. The Rodent Family Murders,
also known as the Pike County Master We're going to
be discussing the murders of Dana Roden Christopher Roden Senior,
Kenneth Roden, Gary Roden, Frankie Rodin, Hannah Hazel Gilly, Hannah Rodin,
and Christopher Roden Junior. Let's go ahead and dive right
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into Summer Series twenty twenty five. Hey guys, welcome to
another episode of Summer Series twenty twenty five with Primetime Crime.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
It's Kylie. We are going to go ahead and get in.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
To part two of the Roden Family massacre Pike County Massacre.
You'll hear me refer to it as both throughout this series.
So now that we've laid out all that happened and
are victims, I do want to dive a little bit
more into each victim and who they were. Like I said,
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I very much want the series to be victim focused,
and I think getting to know the victims in any
case that I'm covering is important. At the end of
the day, this family was just trying to live their
day to day lives and doing what they had to
do to stay afloat. None of them were bad people,
and like I said earlier in episode one, they all
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generally had a really good reputation.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
None of them had enemies.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
They were just kind of people living their day to day,
mining their own business and doing their own thing, and
they did not deserve what happened to them. So we
are going to start with Christopher Roaden Senior. He was
born on September seventeenth of nineteen seventy five. He was
nineteen years old when he would marry sixteen year old
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Dana on October twenty seventh of nineteen ninety four. Their
oldest son, Frankie, was born in August of nineteen ninety five,
followed by Hannah, who was born in April of.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Finally, the youngest son, Christopher Junior, was born in November
of nineteen ninety nine. Dana and Chris would go on
to divorce in two thousand and seven, but remained close
and shared custody of their three children. Dana worked as
a nurse's aide. Chris Senior and his oldest son would
go on to work for a resort called Lake Family Resort.
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Frankie Rodin had graduated from high school in twenty twelve
and had taken some welding classes while he was there.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
He was basically just a good.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Old country boy who loved to hunt and love to fish.
He had a three year old son from a previous relationship,
and he was a great dad. He began dating Hannah
Hazel Gilly in December of twenty fourteen. Hannah was into
some of the same things that Frankie was. She loved
to hunt, she loved to fish, and she was part
of the four h club in her high school. Hannah
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and Frankie became engaged the following year after they started dating,
and they were new parents to a brand new baby
when their lives were senselessly taken. Christopher Junior was a
freshman in high school and like I mentioned last episode,
he was a fierce protector of others, but also spent
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some time working with his dad and brother at the
resort during his summers off from school. Hannah Rodin is
described as being outgoing, always happy and smiling, and nobody
that knew her ever saw her down or upset. She
was super, super bubbly. She dreamed of being a nurse's aide,
just like her mom, Dana. Kenneth Wagner is described as
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the kind of guy who would do anything to help anyone,
a true gentleman, and he worked for US Utilities.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
He was a father to four.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Children and was a very hard worker and he didn't
bother anyone. Gary Rodin is described as a hunter, fisherman,
and a hard worker. He was the baby of his
family and everyone said nothing but good things about him.
Another life senselessly taken too soon. So, as I talked
about in episode one, the Wagner family and their connection
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to the Rodin family, how this all came to be,
I think to understand how we got where we're at
now with the wagon Her family essentially conspiring and annihilating
the Rodent family, we have to understand the dynamic of
the Wagner family and where it all started, because, as
we know, in situations like this, it's a pattern. We
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see a pattern of coercive control, we see a pattern
of abuse, we see a pattern of really poor behavior
and no accountability that ends up snowballing into a situation like.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
What we're in now.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So we're going to talk about all of that. William
Emmanuel Wagner was born June fourth of nineteen seventy one
in Lucasville, Ohio. He had an older brother and an
older sister. His parents, Bob and Fredrika Wagner, ran the
Flying w Ranch, where they bred and sold horses and
exotic animals. He was homeschooled by his mom, and his
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education ended in sixth grade. In nineteen eighty six, at
the age of fifteen, he went to court in order
to take the same name as his father and grandfather.
He would now be known as George Washington Wagner the Third,
and he would go by Billy. I don't know about y'all,
but this whole thing was kind of a little odd
to me, because he went by Billy anyways.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
So why go through all the hassle and trouble.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Of changing your name if you're just gonna go by
Billy anyways. I guess maybe it was something about carrying
on the family name, but honestly, I'm.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Not exactly sure.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Early in nineteen ninety one, he married Angela Joe Carter,
with their eldest son, George Wagner the Fourth, being born
that October and Jacob Wagner coming thirteen months later.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
The family would live.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
On properties owned by Billy's parents, and would eventually buy
their own home in twenty fourteen. Billy Wagner would often
refer to himself as a trust fund brat and brag
about the wealth that he had because of his parents,
and I'm sure with this came a sense of entitlement.
It's giving Murdaw energy vibes to me, for sure. Billy
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did work, though he worked off and on. He drove
a truck and he would haul animals to and from
point A to point B. He and Angela ended up
filing for bankruptcy at one point in time, and they
reported just nine hundred and nineteen dollars a month in
joint income, five hundred and thirty dollars from the Social
Security Administration, and three hundred and eighty nine dollars in
food stamps. In order to raise money to keep up
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with the Joneses, Billy decided that he needed to turn
to a life of crime. He torched houses and cars
for the insurance money. He sold pills, and would try
his hand at growing marijuana plants. But his specialty was
stealing merchandise from semi truck trailers and teaching his two
sons to do the same. Billy would often unload some
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of what he stole in Mexico. He would take the
profit and keep it in jars at the home instead
of in the bank. They essentially said that Billy would
take these jars of cash and bury them randomly around
the county, so if he ever needed it, he would
have multiple options to be able to go and dig
them up. Billy had the mindset that he would do
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whatever he had to do so later on in life
his sons wouldn't have to turn to crime. However, that
obviously did not work out for them. The Wagners would
also homeschool their children, much like Billy was homeschooled, another
way to control their narrative and keep things.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
On the up and up for their family.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
But unfortunately, Jake and George became a product of their environment,
and at this point they're all facing murder charges. So
once investigators discovered all this stuff with the Wagner family
and the custody disputes and everything, it all started to
make sense. They got access to Jake's phone and realized
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that everything Jake had said about him and Hannah co
parenting and getting.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Along was not true.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Before baby Sophia was even born, Jake was dominating and
saying that he wasn't going to budget about custody of
Sophia and that she would be staying with the Wagner
family regardless of what Hannah did.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
So what we're seeing here.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Is a textbook abusive relationship pretty much from the start,
and now with the child involved, it just complicated things
that much more. And also the fact that Hannah was
so much younger than Jake. It's very typical predatory behavior
for a man to go after a young, impressionable girl
that they can easily manipulate, and in my opinion, that's
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exactly what Jake Wagner did to Hannah Rodin. And when
Hannah pushed back, not only did she gain Jake as
an enemy, but she gained the whole Wagner Klana's enemies,
and they had money and they had power. In March
of twenty fifteen, Hannah had decided she had enough.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
She told her dad that Jake had choked.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Her and that he and the whole family had become
way too controlling over her and her life. Jake was
controlling Hannah all the way around, and it wasn't only
Hannah that was affected by this. George, who is Jake's brother,
had a girlfriend named Tabitha who would also live with
the Wagner family while Hannah was living there. Tabitha would
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go on to marry George and they had a baby,
and although Hannah was able to come and go and
even stay with her parents at times, Tabitha wasn't allowed
the same things. Her family was completely cut off from
her because the Wagner family thought that they were bad news. Basically,
what we see here is a pattern, not just a
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pattern by Jake, but a pattern by.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
The Wagner family as a whole.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
The Wagners would also go on to accuse Tabitha of
poisoning their food and also of abusing the son that
her and George share together, all of which were unfounded claims.
There ended up being an altercation one night when Tabitha
was upset after an argument and was trying to leave
with her child and Angela. Jake and george mom ended
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up throwing a two by four at Tabitha and she
basically had to hide on the property until it was dark,
and then she snuck away and called her mom for help.
This was obviously a super abusive situation, so with this,
they ended up getting a dissolution of their marriage and
entered into a custody battle. But Tabitha didn't have any
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legal representation, so she got the short end of the stick.
Of course, because she was up against the almighty Wagners.
And in this custody arrangement, she was allowed to see
her son, but only when the Wagner said so, and
only with their supervision.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
And they said that this of.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Course, was only temporary until Tabitha could get back on
her feet, and they convinced and manipulated her that they
were trying to help her and that things were going
to get better with their relationship, even though that was
not true. They were just stringing her along the best
they could and using her son against her.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
That is really shitty behavior. In my opinion.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Hannah and Tabitha were in very similar situations, it seemed
from the outside looking in. On December ninth of twenty fifteen,
Hannah had a Facebook messenger conversation with Tabitha's mother, Tess.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
In this conversation, they were talking about how Tabitha was
seemingly tricked into signing custody over of her son to
the Wagner's under false pretenses of them helping her get
her back on her feet, and Tess had told Hannah,
make sure you don't sign any papers giving up custody
of your daughter, and Hannah commented back that they would
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have to kill her first, and that she would never
sign the papers. That text message came out in trial,
and I will be talking about that when I go
over the trial happenings.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Little did Hannah know that Angela Wagner, being the crazy
woman she is, had hacked her social media and was
essentially reading the messages that we're going back and forth
between Hannah and Tess as they were being set, which
pretty much set the plan in motion.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
As soon as Hannah said.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
They'll have to kill me first, that is when it
all started. Angela also had Tabitha's social media passwords and
information and was made to give them to Angela when
Tabitha lived with the family.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I'm sure this was very much the same for Hannah
when she moved in.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
She made Hannah hand over her passwords and social media
and everything. This family, the Wagner family, was just one
giant red flag.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Now, looking at this.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
From the outside looking in, before you really know the
full story, I think that you could have really looked
at Angela as an innocent bystander and all of this
basically just saying that she is.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Loyal to her family.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
But from all of the research I've done, and everything
that came out at trial, it seems that she was
just as much of a willing participant as anyone else
was in this whole thing. This also very much reminds
me of Gabby Petito, how she basically left home out
of state, moved in with her boyfriend and his family,
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and later when she wanted to spread her wings and fly,
her boyfriend very much gloved on her, tagged along, made
it their thing, and then he killed her because he
was a controlling, abusive asshole, and his parents covered for
him because they are also bad people. Family loyalty runs
deep in these abusive situations so often, and it's most
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commonly a cycle of behavior.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
It doesn't start with one person.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
It is a cycle, and you see it spread from
one generation to the next generation to the next generation.
So during Jake's confession, he pretty much said that this
wasn't his idea to murder Hannah, but that it.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Was his dad, Billy's idea.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
According to Jake's confession, they started planning the murders in
January twenty sixteen, and the whole premise of the murders
was because Jake wanted.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Full custody of Sophia and he had been.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Told that because he and Hannah were not married, that
it was unlikely that the court was going to award
him custody because, like I said in episode one, typically
in Ohio, they will side with the mother and give
the mother custody of the child. And because the Wagners
were the Wagners, they wanted full control and they did
not want this for a second. And allegedly there was
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talk that they were worried about Sophia's safety.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
At least that's the excuse that they used.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
They thought that Hannah had been sexually abused by a
family friend, and they were worried that Sophia was going
to be sexually abused as well while Sophia was in
Hannah's care. Initially, the Wagner's plan was to murder Hannah
and her new boyfriend Corey and try to set it
up to make it look like a murder suicide, essentially
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trying to frame Corey for Hannah's murder, which is such
a horrible.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Thing to do. But Billy didn't think that this was
a good idea.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
He didn't think it would work, so they kind of
toyed around with some other ideas. Angela then thought that
they could route out Chris Senior for his marijuana growing
operation and that that would break the family.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Down a little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
But Billy didn't want to do this and send one
of his best friends to jail, so rationally, let's go
ahead and just kill him and his whole family instead.
These people are so delusional and deranged. You don't want
to send your best friend to jail, but you're gonna
shoot him and kill him like murderous, multiple gunshots. I
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am so.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Confused by these people.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I cannot So they started planning their murders and their
initial plan was to kill Dana, Chris Hannah, and Chris Junior,
but Jake admitted that he knew that there was probably
going to be other people present when the murders occurred
and that they would also have to die because they
were eyewitnesses, and he said they were okay with that.
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They would go on to make purchases of flashlights, ammo weapons,
all of the things that they needed to carry out
this murder. They also purchased Ville Crow shoes from Walmart,
and they purchased them in different sizes than what they
would normally wear.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
So these are.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
People that are methodically planning out this murder and they
are planning on how they're going to do it and
how they're going to get away with it.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
On April ninth of.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Twenty sixteen, George went and bought two ski masks. There
were also two sets of documents that were presented that
one of them gave Angela Wagner custody of Jake and
George's children if something should happen to them. And there
was another a document that was dated Christmas of twenty fourteen,
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which was the last holiday that Hannah spent with the Wagoners,
and it basically said that she wanted Jake to have
full custody of her child if she were to die,
and that document would go on to be proven to
be forged. Now this is kind of where Angela's mom
comes into the mix, because she is brought in to
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say that she witnessed Hannah Rodin signed this document, and
that was not true. Hannah never signed that document. So
Angela's mom, Rita ended up coming clean and said what
had happened, So that is why her charges ended up
getting decreased. The Wagoners ended up purchasing a truck specifically
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to carry out the murders. George and Jake ended up
dyeing their hair dark before their murders. All of this
shows intent and planning and premeditation and all of the
things that you need for a murder trial to try
to prove intent and planning and motive and all of
the things.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
It is going to be a wild ride.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
The trial of George Wagner lasted for almost three months,
so we have a lot to.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Talk about, a lot to cover.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I never really plan my summer series out as far
as how long it's going to last. I literally just
take everything minute by minute, and in this case, trial
day by day, because there's three months of content to
share with you guys.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
But we're gonna talk about it all.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
There's so much to talk about in George's trial. George
ended up testifying on his own.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Behalf, Jake testified.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
There is a lot that came out in trial, and
we're going to break it all down and ultimately talk
about the results, which if you are all familiar with
any thing Wagner related, they are all going to be
behind bars for a very very long time, as.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
They should be.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
So the trial of George Wagner the fourth started on
September twelfth of twenty twenty two in Waverley, Ohio.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
The jury consisted.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Of nine women and three men, and they picked six alternates, which.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Consisted of five women and one man.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
And typically in a trial, they don't pick six alternates,
but they picked so many because they anticipated the trial
to last from six to eight weeks, but it ended
up lasting almost three months, and that's a long time
for a trial, so they wanted to make sure that
they had enough alternates just in case somebody got sick
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or had a family emergency pop up and they weren't
able to fulfill their jury service. The jury consisted of
a teacher, There were a couple of local business owners,
There was a physical therapist, and they had a good
variety of ages. Some were in their twenties, some were
in their thirties, but the majority were in their forties
and fifties. And I think having a wide variety of
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jur age and gender and roles and jobs is so
important in a trial like this because we have eight victims,
some are young, some are older, and the defendant himself
is a younger individual. So very interesting to see the
dynamics of the jury and all of that. The trial
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itself involved sixty witnesses and close to five thousand pieces.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Of evidence, which is a heck of a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Like I said, this trial lasted forever, and there was
so many expert witnesses. We have ballistic witnesses that talk
about the gunfire, and there's just so much. The things
we learn in this trial, the planning that went in
to all of this, it's going to absolutely blow your mind.
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So we are going to go ahead and get into
all of the trial happenings. So we're going to start
with openings first. And this is a wild ride. So
the prosecution starts with their opening statements. So these are
the opening highlights from the state. So they said that
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Chris Roden sor was the one who was the intended target.
They said that Gary Roden was killed simply because he
was just there and the rest of the family were
murdered because they knew things, They knew secrets and they
could potentially tie it back to the Wagner family being involved.
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All of the victims except for three of them, Dana, Gary,
and Chris Senior, were.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Killed in their sleep.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
The state said that the idea to kill Hannah first
came from Billy Wagner and Jake initially said no to it,
but he was encouraged to do so by his parents,
and they had originally planned to kill Hannah n Corey
to make it look like Corey did a murder suicide.
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They said that the killings have in one night. The
state claimed that Billy had intentionally left his phone at
Angela Wagner's house that night of the murders, and he
went to speak with Chris Senior to talk about a
drug deal because they did grow pot together and they
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sold it, so they were already kind of dealings with
drugs together when Billy arrived to Chris Senior's trailer that night.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
When he got there, he asked Chris to call his cell.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Phone because he had quote unquote lost it and was
trying to find it. So when Chris called Billy's cell phone,
Angela answered it because Billy had left it at home
with Angela. And the whole reason that Billy did this
is so he could have an alibi to say that
he was at home with Angela where his cell phone
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was at the time of the murders. This guy is
so methodical in his planning, although he didn't do a
really good job because he ended up getting caught, and
then they went on to talk about Hannah getting pregnant
by Jake when she was only fifteen years old, and
that pretty much immediately once Hannah became pregnant, Jake and
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his family were plotting to eventually get primary and full
custody of her, and Angela had like this really weird
obsession and wanted Sophia, Jake's daughter, to call Angela mom.
It is all just so bizarre, the obsession that Angela
seemed to have like with her kids, and then the
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control that she wanted to have over her grandkids.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
And there were a lot of fights that.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Went on in the Wagner family home between Hannah and
the Wagoners, and some of them became physical, and Hannah
ended up breaking up with Jake.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
In twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
And then they talked about the message that Hannah had
sent to somebody saying that they're going to have to
kill me first before she would hand over custody of
Sophia willingly. And then the state went on to say
that Angela Wagner happed into Hannah's social media and knew
kind of where Hannah's mind was. The State and Prosecution
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then lays out the crime scenes. They talk about how
there are four murder homicide scenes. At the first one,
we have Chris Senior and Gary Rodin, who was found
by a family member. That family member then goes next
door to Frankie's house to let Frankie know what's going on,
and she is greeted by a child who said that
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his parents are playing zombie. And then they find Frankie
and Hannah Hazel Gilly while her infant son lay next
to her and the three year old is trying to
figure out what is going on with his parents.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Just awful, awful, awful.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Then they talk about the next crime scene, which is
the I'm seen of Dana Rodin, Hannah Rodin, and Chris Junior,
and they found Dana shot. She had a pillow over
her head. The state said that Jake Wagner shot her.
She was awake playing on her cell phone after she
had worked a double shift at her nursing job, and
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then Jake went and shot and killed Hannah and Chris Junior.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Apparently, the state is saying.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
That Hannah had woken up and she was kind of
in a state of fog and saw Jake standing in
the doorway but didn't realize it was him, and then
he opened fire and killed her. And at that point
in time, she was nursing her newborn baby, baby Kylie,
and I believe she was nursing at the time when
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she had woken up and seen Jake standing in.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
The doorway, and then he ended up killing her.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
So he ended up repositioning her body after he killed
her so she could still nurse her baby. This is
not a rational human at all. The baby, of course,
was not harmed. Jake then went into Dana's room and
shot her several more times and.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Put apillo over her head.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Then he went and killed Chris Junior, and then the
whole crew of them traveled to Kenneth Roden's house and
killed him because he would know that it was the
Wagners who carried out the axe. He is the one
who was shot through the eye while he slept. Just
horrific people to even do anything like this. They then
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go on to talk about the shell casings, and they
were able to compare the shell casings that were found
at the various crime scenes with shell casings that were
on the Wagner family property.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Because they always used.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Different guns at their property for target practice and They
said that, just like fingerprints, gun barrels and firing pins
leave one of a kind traces on shells, and they
were able to match those back to the Wagners. The
gun that was in question was used to kill Chris Junior,
Hannah and Dana per the State. Then they talk about
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the murder weapons and they say that the guns that
were used to kill the Rodents were placed in buckets
of concrete and gifted to a member of the Wagner
family on Father's Day as boat anchors. This family member
had no idea that this was the case, and the
anchors later would be cut from a rope on a
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boat and dropped into a pond, and Jake Wagner is
the one that confessed to the state that they were
at the bottom of the pond and they got a
search warrant and they found the blocks of water and
they found the murder weapons inside. These people planned this
stuff out and there's no denying it because the weapons
match the showcasing markings to a t, just like fingerprints.
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They go on to talk about the Walmart shoes. They
said that they planned these murders so much in advance
that they bought quote unquote murders shoes from Walmart for
the purpose of committing these crimes and then disposing of them.
And they talked about the bloody shoe prints. One of
the prints was traced back to a shoe that was
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only sold Walmart. And then they got a search warrant
on a storage trailer that was owned by the Wagners,
and they discovered a Walmart receipt for said shoes. And
who's the one who went and bought the shoes at
Walmart per video surveillance, none other than Angela Wagner. It
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all connects, guys, It every bit of this connects. Then
they talk about listing devices that the state had placed
using warrants inside the vehicles that were driven by the Wagners,
and they picked up some different conversations, but they really
picked up very minimal amounts of things because the family
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was always very paranoid and on high alert that they
were being ease dropped on. Then it gets why, so
they bring up Norman Ritas. If you guys don't know
who Norman Ritas is, he is an actor.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
He was on The Walking Dead.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Well, Jake Wagner was obsessed and idolized Norman Ritas and
Jake would cut and dye his hair to look like
Norman Ritas, and he also carried out the murders like
scenes from a movie that Norman ritis was in called Boondock,
Saints and the Walking Dead, which I just referenced. And
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they said that there was evidence on Jake Wagner's cell
phone that shows that he watched a murder scene from
the Saints movie before he went and committed these crimes.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
In which two brothers kill others.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Basically meaning George Wagner and Jake Wagner are working together
as brothers to kill this family.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
It's just like what was in the movie.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
So bizarre his upsides with Norman Ritas. When you see
pictures of him from like right after the murders, he
does resemble Norman Ritas with his haircut and his hair
collar and everything. And then they talk about how Billy
and Angela Wagner had been talking one night after the
murders and Billy said to Angela that George was having
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some nightmares about the murders, and Angela said, well, I
don't know why he's having nightmares.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
He's not the one that killed anybody.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
And this is basically Angela confessing to these murders.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
And this is very.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Much going to be the angle that the defense is
going to use to try to get George off, because George.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Was just an innocent victim and all of this.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
He was just brought into this by his family. He
was just going along with the plan, and they're going
to try to spin the fact that George didn't kill anybody.
So that is the defense's angle, and we're now going
to get into the defense and they're opening arguments and
we're going to go from there. So the defense's angle
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was very much that George was just.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
A pawn in all of this, and.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
They told the jurors that Jake is going to testify
that his brother George did not shoot or kill anybody,
and that the murders were not George's idea and he
wasn't part of it, he didn't help plan it. They
very much wanted to paint a picture that George was
different from all of his family and that he was
not a part of this, and that Angela Wagner and
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Jake Wagner both have accepted plea deals and that they
are going to do anything they can.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
To save themselves.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
The defense then laid out everyone's motives during the opening statement,
and that was Angela's motive was because she believed Sophia
was being molested by somebody in the road and family.
Jake's motive was jealousy and the custody of his daughter,
and Billy's motive was drugs. And by this George had
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no motive and that is why he was not involved
and he did not kill anybody.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
They then closed out the.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Opening statements basically saying that the evidence is going to
show that Jake Wagner is the one who killed all
eight people, and that George Wagner should not be charged
with murder or face the death penalty or life in
prison because he was not involved. So there very much
the defense is going to be portraying this angle that
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George Wagner simply just was in the wrong place at
the wrong time. He did not plan out or do
any of the eight killings, and that it was all
Jake Wagner's plan and he just kind.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Of was along for the ride, so to say.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
So that is kind of where the opening statements start
and end. The first witness up in the trial was
Bobby Joe Manley, who was Dana Rhaden's sister and also
the ex sister in law of Chris Roden Senior and
the one that happened upon Chris Senior and Gary Roden's
body on that day, and then went next door and
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found Frankie Rodin and Hannah Hazel Gilly. So she testified
to the reason that she was at the house that morning,
how things just seemed a little off because the door
wasn't open, she let herself in, she found the bodies.
She thought that they had been drugged to a back
bedroom because you could see that there was drag marks
on the floor, and then she went next door to
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try to alert Frankie as to what was going on,
and that is when she unfortunately found Frankie and Hannah.
During cross examination, they asked her how long she had
worked for Chris Senior, and she said that she had
gone there for a few years and she would help
him with the chickens, feeding them, caring for them and
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all of that. And they then asked her about the
rumors that had been circulating about Chris being involved in
some illegal cockfighting and different drug deals, and she said
she did not know anything about that, but she said
there was some chickens there and she would feed them.
That was part of what she did to help Chris
Senior out. The defense then went on to ask Bobby
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Joe if she ever saw Jake Wagner visiting Chris's house,
and she said that she had seen him there a
few times. And they asked her if she knew about
any illegal drug deals that Chris Senior was involved in,
and they asked about marijuana growing operations and different trips
to Mexico that allegedly had been taken, and she said
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she did not know about anything that happened out of
the country, but she did say that sometimes Chris would
leave for several days and Chris did have security cameras
at his property. The second witness that was called was
a man and named Billy Morgan. He was with Bobby
Joe Manley the day that she found the bodies.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
They are friends. So his testimony is kind.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Of all over the place because he seemed to be
pretty poorly educated, I guess is the best way for
me to put it. He said that he didn't know
how to read or how to write, and that he
didn't know exactly how old he was, but that he
was born in the nineteen seventies. He said that he
had known Chris Rodin for only about a month and
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had worked for him doing odd jobs. They asked him
about any type of knowledge of drug activity that Christopher
Roden Senior was involved in. He said he didn't know
of any illegal activity, but sometimes he smelled weed on
the property when he walked by, but he never really
thought anything of it, and he told prosecutors that he
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did not know what pot looked like.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Even if he had seen it, he would not have known.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
When they did the cross examination, he said that he
saw Billy Wagner at one point and visit Chris Rodent
a few times, and that Chris and Billy would go
out into.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
The truck and they would talk.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
He testified that after he found out about Frankie and
Hannah and Chris and Gary, that he was called to
go to Dana's house to tell her what had happened,
and when he arrived, he found that the door was open,
and then he found Dana on her bed with a
pillow over her face, and he talked about the other
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people that he found there as well. And during the
cross examination, the defense very much was still going for this.
Do you know anything about any drug activity, illegal drug activity,
cock fighting that the Rodents were involved in, and would
also go on to ask if James knew the Wagners,
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and that was pretty much it for that witness. The
next witness up is Sergeant Jonathan Chandler. He is with
the Pike County Sheriff's Office and he was a deputy
with the Sheriff's office for about a year in twenty sixteen,
and he was the first deputy that was dispatched to
the multiple homicides. He goes on to say that he
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was initially dispatched to the home of Chris Rodin Senior,
but before he could make it there, he was flagged
down by several people at the house next door, which
was the home of Frankie Rodin, and the family had
said there are two kids inside and two people are deceased.
He said that the baby inside of Frankie and Hannah's
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home was covered from head to toe in blood and
that the blood on the toddler did not belong to
either of the children, but it was that of the
baby and the toddler's parents, Hannah and Frankie, that were inside.
He also said that Frankie had bruising end, gunshot wounds
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to his head. He worked a super long day that
day and worked from seven am to two am, and
he said one of the last things he did before
he went home was he went to Dana Rodent's house
and he helped the agents remove the three bodies from
the home. That is, the bodies of Dana, Christopher Junior,
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and Hannah. Now, they did ask him about the shoes
he was wearing, and this was one of the things
that they consistently did anybody that went to the crime
scene that day, They talked about the shoes that they
were wearing because it is going to play a role
later when we talk about the bloody shoe prints that
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are going to be brought up as part of the
evidence against the Wagner family. The last witness of the
day was a paramedic named Justin Wearing, who was called
He testified that he was the first EMM crew on
the scene of the homicides and when they were initially dispatched,
it was a call that was placed as assaults, but
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when he arrived they realize that the people at the
scenes were deceased. The defense asked him if the bodies
had rigamortis, and he said he didn't know because he
didn't touch the bodies, he did not examine the bodies,
and that was not in his field of practice.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
So that was it for.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Day two of testimony, and that is where we are
going to call it for this episode. The next episode
is going to be all trial happenings. If there's anything
that isn't super important in the case, I'm probably not
going to go over it because we're talking about months
of trial stuff that I'm having to go through here.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
So there are.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
A lot of witnesses that I can probably summarize pretty quickly,
so I am going to be doing that. But we
are officially in the trial happenings and we are going
to try to get through it as efficiently and quickly
as we can while still giving all of the important
necessary details in this whole trial. So join me for
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part three of this story. Next week, I am going
to be talking a lot more trial happenings, getting into
some really interesting witnesses, and we are going to take
it from there. So I will see you guys on
Thursday night for a brand new Unsolved Case, and next
week for episode three of summer series twenty twenty five,
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Have a good one bye,
Poppy killed Mommy was the first thing my little sister
said to me after her father murdered our mother. My
mom had gotten off the phone at nine fifty three
pm on July eighth, nineteen ninety three, after making plans
to leave him. By one forty am, a nine one
one call was placed asking for help. Three hours and
forty seven minutes. That's how fast a woman can go
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from planning her escape to being gone. Her death was
ruled a homicide. The man who killed her admitted that
he might have shot her. My sister, just three years old,
told police more than a dozen times Poppy killed Mommy,
but the Yavapai County Attorney said there was enough evidence
to prosecute. Seventy five percent of women murdered by an
intimate partner are killed while they're trying to leave. My
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mom became part of that statistic. This is the story
they buried. Listen to Poppy killed Mommy and hear what
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Speaker 2 (00:53):
Welcome to Summer Series twenty twenty five. The Rodent Family Murders,
also known as the Pike County Master We're going to
be discussing the murders of Dana Roden Christopher Roden Senior,
Kenneth Roden, Gary Roden, Frankie Rodin, Hannah Hazel Gilly, Hannah Rodin,
and Christopher Roden Junior. Let's go ahead and dive right
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into Summer Series twenty twenty five. Hey guys, welcome to
another episode of Summer Series twenty twenty five with Primetime Crime.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
It's Kylie. We are going to go ahead and get in.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
To part two of the Roden Family massacre Pike County Massacre.
You'll hear me refer to it as both throughout this series.
So now that we've laid out all that happened and
are victims, I do want to dive a little bit
more into each victim and who they were. Like I said,
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I very much want the series to be victim focused,
and I think getting to know the victims in any
case that I'm covering is important. At the end of
the day, this family was just trying to live their
day to day lives and doing what they had to
do to stay afloat. None of them were bad people,
and like I said earlier in episode one, they all
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generally had a really good reputation.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
None of them had enemies.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
They were just kind of people living their day to day,
mining their own business and doing their own thing, and
they did not deserve what happened to them. So we
are going to start with Christopher Roaden Senior. He was
born on September seventeenth of nineteen seventy five. He was
nineteen years old when he would marry sixteen year old
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Dana on October twenty seventh of nineteen ninety four. Their
oldest son, Frankie, was born in August of nineteen ninety five,
followed by Hannah, who was born in April of.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Finally, the youngest son, Christopher Junior, was born in November
of nineteen ninety nine. Dana and Chris would go on
to divorce in two thousand and seven, but remained close
and shared custody of their three children. Dana worked as
a nurse's aide. Chris Senior and his oldest son would
go on to work for a resort called Lake Family Resort.
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Frankie Rodin had graduated from high school in twenty twelve
and had taken some welding classes while he was there.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
He was basically just a good.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Old country boy who loved to hunt and love to fish.
He had a three year old son from a previous relationship,
and he was a great dad. He began dating Hannah
Hazel Gilly in December of twenty fourteen. Hannah was into
some of the same things that Frankie was. She loved
to hunt, she loved to fish, and she was part
of the four h club in her high school. Hannah
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and Frankie became engaged the following year after they started dating,
and they were new parents to a brand new baby
when their lives were senselessly taken. Christopher Junior was a
freshman in high school and like I mentioned last episode,
he was a fierce protector of others, but also spent
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some time working with his dad and brother at the
resort during his summers off from school. Hannah Rodin is
described as being outgoing, always happy and smiling, and nobody
that knew her ever saw her down or upset. She
was super, super bubbly. She dreamed of being a nurse's aide,
just like her mom, Dana. Kenneth Wagner is described as
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the kind of guy who would do anything to help anyone,
a true gentleman, and he worked for US Utilities.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
He was a father to four.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Children and was a very hard worker and he didn't
bother anyone. Gary Rodin is described as a hunter, fisherman,
and a hard worker. He was the baby of his
family and everyone said nothing but good things about him.
Another life senselessly taken too soon. So, as I talked
about in episode one, the Wagner family and their connection
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to the Rodin family, how this all came to be,
I think to understand how we got where we're at
now with the wagon Her family essentially conspiring and annihilating
the Rodent family, we have to understand the dynamic of
the Wagner family and where it all started, because, as
we know, in situations like this, it's a pattern. We
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see a pattern of coercive control, we see a pattern
of abuse, we see a pattern of really poor behavior
and no accountability that ends up snowballing into a situation like.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
What we're in now.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So we're going to talk about all of that. William
Emmanuel Wagner was born June fourth of nineteen seventy one
in Lucasville, Ohio. He had an older brother and an
older sister. His parents, Bob and Fredrika Wagner, ran the
Flying w Ranch, where they bred and sold horses and
exotic animals. He was homeschooled by his mom, and his
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education ended in sixth grade. In nineteen eighty six, at
the age of fifteen, he went to court in order
to take the same name as his father and grandfather.
He would now be known as George Washington Wagner the Third,
and he would go by Billy. I don't know about y'all,
but this whole thing was kind of a little odd
to me, because he went by Billy anyways.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
So why go through all the hassle and trouble.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Of changing your name if you're just gonna go by
Billy anyways. I guess maybe it was something about carrying
on the family name, but honestly, I'm.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Not exactly sure.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Early in nineteen ninety one, he married Angela Joe Carter,
with their eldest son, George Wagner the Fourth, being born
that October and Jacob Wagner coming thirteen months later.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
The family would live.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
On properties owned by Billy's parents, and would eventually buy
their own home in twenty fourteen. Billy Wagner would often
refer to himself as a trust fund brat and brag
about the wealth that he had because of his parents,
and I'm sure with this came a sense of entitlement.
It's giving Murdaw energy vibes to me, for sure. Billy
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did work, though he worked off and on. He drove
a truck and he would haul animals to and from
point A to point B. He and Angela ended up
filing for bankruptcy at one point in time, and they
reported just nine hundred and nineteen dollars a month in
joint income, five hundred and thirty dollars from the Social
Security Administration, and three hundred and eighty nine dollars in
food stamps. In order to raise money to keep up
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with the Joneses, Billy decided that he needed to turn
to a life of crime. He torched houses and cars
for the insurance money. He sold pills, and would try
his hand at growing marijuana plants. But his specialty was
stealing merchandise from semi truck trailers and teaching his two
sons to do the same. Billy would often unload some
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of what he stole in Mexico. He would take the
profit and keep it in jars at the home instead
of in the bank. They essentially said that Billy would
take these jars of cash and bury them randomly around
the county, so if he ever needed it, he would
have multiple options to be able to go and dig
them up. Billy had the mindset that he would do
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whatever he had to do so later on in life
his sons wouldn't have to turn to crime. However, that
obviously did not work out for them. The Wagners would
also homeschool their children, much like Billy was homeschooled, another
way to control their narrative and keep things.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
On the up and up for their family.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
But unfortunately, Jake and George became a product of their environment,
and at this point they're all facing murder charges. So
once investigators discovered all this stuff with the Wagner family
and the custody disputes and everything, it all started to
make sense. They got access to Jake's phone and realized
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that everything Jake had said about him and Hannah co
parenting and getting.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Along was not true.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Before baby Sophia was even born, Jake was dominating and
saying that he wasn't going to budget about custody of
Sophia and that she would be staying with the Wagner
family regardless of what Hannah did.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
So what we're seeing here.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Is a textbook abusive relationship pretty much from the start,
and now with the child involved, it just complicated things
that much more. And also the fact that Hannah was
so much younger than Jake. It's very typical predatory behavior
for a man to go after a young, impressionable girl
that they can easily manipulate, and in my opinion, that's
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exactly what Jake Wagner did to Hannah Rodin. And when
Hannah pushed back, not only did she gain Jake as
an enemy, but she gained the whole Wagner Klana's enemies,
and they had money and they had power. In March
of twenty fifteen, Hannah had decided she had enough.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
She told her dad that Jake had choked.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Her and that he and the whole family had become
way too controlling over her and her life. Jake was
controlling Hannah all the way around, and it wasn't only
Hannah that was affected by this. George, who is Jake's brother,
had a girlfriend named Tabitha who would also live with
the Wagner family while Hannah was living there. Tabitha would
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go on to marry George and they had a baby,
and although Hannah was able to come and go and
even stay with her parents at times, Tabitha wasn't allowed
the same things. Her family was completely cut off from
her because the Wagner family thought that they were bad news. Basically,
what we see here is a pattern, not just a
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pattern by Jake, but a pattern by.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
The Wagner family as a whole.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
The Wagners would also go on to accuse Tabitha of
poisoning their food and also of abusing the son that
her and George share together, all of which were unfounded claims.
There ended up being an altercation one night when Tabitha
was upset after an argument and was trying to leave
with her child and Angela. Jake and george mom ended
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up throwing a two by four at Tabitha and she
basically had to hide on the property until it was dark,
and then she snuck away and called her mom for help.
This was obviously a super abusive situation, so with this,
they ended up getting a dissolution of their marriage and
entered into a custody battle. But Tabitha didn't have any
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legal representation, so she got the short end of the stick.
Of course, because she was up against the almighty Wagners.
And in this custody arrangement, she was allowed to see
her son, but only when the Wagner said so, and
only with their supervision.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
And they said that this of.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Course, was only temporary until Tabitha could get back on
her feet, and they convinced and manipulated her that they
were trying to help her and that things were going
to get better with their relationship, even though that was
not true. They were just stringing her along the best
they could and using her son against her.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
That is really shitty behavior. In my opinion.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Hannah and Tabitha were in very similar situations, it seemed
from the outside looking in. On December ninth of twenty fifteen,
Hannah had a Facebook messenger conversation with Tabitha's mother, Tess.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
In this conversation, they were talking about how Tabitha was
seemingly tricked into signing custody over of her son to
the Wagner's under false pretenses of them helping her get
her back on her feet, and Tess had told Hannah,
make sure you don't sign any papers giving up custody
of your daughter, and Hannah commented back that they would
(12:40):
have to kill her first, and that she would never
sign the papers. That text message came out in trial,
and I will be talking about that when I go
over the trial happenings.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Little did Hannah know that Angela Wagner, being the crazy
woman she is, had hacked her social media and was
essentially reading the messages that we're going back and forth
between Hannah and Tess as they were being set, which
pretty much set the plan in motion.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
As soon as Hannah said.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
They'll have to kill me first, that is when it
all started. Angela also had Tabitha's social media passwords and
information and was made to give them to Angela when
Tabitha lived with the family.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I'm sure this was very much the same for Hannah
when she moved in.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
She made Hannah hand over her passwords and social media
and everything. This family, the Wagner family, was just one
giant red flag.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Now, looking at this.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
From the outside looking in, before you really know the
full story, I think that you could have really looked
at Angela as an innocent bystander and all of this
basically just saying that she is.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Loyal to her family.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
But from all of the research I've done, and everything
that came out at trial, it seems that she was
just as much of a willing participant as anyone else
was in this whole thing. This also very much reminds
me of Gabby Petito, how she basically left home out
of state, moved in with her boyfriend and his family,
(14:17):
and later when she wanted to spread her wings and fly,
her boyfriend very much gloved on her, tagged along, made
it their thing, and then he killed her because he
was a controlling, abusive asshole, and his parents covered for
him because they are also bad people. Family loyalty runs
deep in these abusive situations so often, and it's most
(14:41):
commonly a cycle of behavior.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
It doesn't start with one person.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
It is a cycle, and you see it spread from
one generation to the next generation to the next generation.
So during Jake's confession, he pretty much said that this
wasn't his idea to murder Hannah, but that it.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Was his dad, Billy's idea.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
According to Jake's confession, they started planning the murders in
January twenty sixteen, and the whole premise of the murders
was because Jake wanted.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Full custody of Sophia and he had been.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Told that because he and Hannah were not married, that
it was unlikely that the court was going to award
him custody because, like I said in episode one, typically
in Ohio, they will side with the mother and give
the mother custody of the child. And because the Wagners
were the Wagners, they wanted full control and they did
not want this for a second. And allegedly there was
(15:39):
talk that they were worried about Sophia's safety.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
At least that's the excuse that they used.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
They thought that Hannah had been sexually abused by a
family friend, and they were worried that Sophia was going
to be sexually abused as well while Sophia was in
Hannah's care. Initially, the Wagner's plan was to murder Hannah
and her new boyfriend Corey and try to set it
up to make it look like a murder suicide, essentially
(16:07):
trying to frame Corey for Hannah's murder, which is such
a horrible.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Thing to do. But Billy didn't think that this was
a good idea.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
He didn't think it would work, so they kind of
toyed around with some other ideas. Angela then thought that
they could route out Chris Senior for his marijuana growing
operation and that that would break the family.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Down a little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
But Billy didn't want to do this and send one
of his best friends to jail, so rationally, let's go
ahead and just kill him and his whole family instead.
These people are so delusional and deranged. You don't want
to send your best friend to jail, but you're gonna
shoot him and kill him like murderous, multiple gunshots. I
(16:50):
am so.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Confused by these people.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I cannot So they started planning their murders and their
initial plan was to kill Dana, Chris Hannah, and Chris Junior,
but Jake admitted that he knew that there was probably
going to be other people present when the murders occurred
and that they would also have to die because they
were eyewitnesses, and he said they were okay with that.
(17:15):
They would go on to make purchases of flashlights, ammo weapons,
all of the things that they needed to carry out
this murder. They also purchased Ville Crow shoes from Walmart,
and they purchased them in different sizes than what they
would normally wear.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
So these are.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
People that are methodically planning out this murder and they
are planning on how they're going to do it and
how they're going to get away with it.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
On April ninth of.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Twenty sixteen, George went and bought two ski masks. There
were also two sets of documents that were presented that
one of them gave Angela Wagner custody of Jake and
George's children if something should happen to them. And there
was another a document that was dated Christmas of twenty fourteen,
(18:00):
which was the last holiday that Hannah spent with the Wagoners,
and it basically said that she wanted Jake to have
full custody of her child if she were to die,
and that document would go on to be proven to
be forged. Now this is kind of where Angela's mom
comes into the mix, because she is brought in to
(18:20):
say that she witnessed Hannah Rodin signed this document, and
that was not true. Hannah never signed that document. So
Angela's mom, Rita ended up coming clean and said what
had happened, So that is why her charges ended up
getting decreased. The Wagoners ended up purchasing a truck specifically
(18:40):
to carry out the murders. George and Jake ended up
dyeing their hair dark before their murders. All of this
shows intent and planning and premeditation and all of the
things that you need for a murder trial to try
to prove intent and planning and motive and all of
the things.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
It is going to be a wild ride.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
The trial of George Wagner lasted for almost three months,
so we have a lot to.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Talk about, a lot to cover.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I never really plan my summer series out as far
as how long it's going to last. I literally just
take everything minute by minute, and in this case, trial
day by day, because there's three months of content to
share with you guys.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
But we're gonna talk about it all.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
There's so much to talk about in George's trial. George
ended up testifying on his own.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Behalf, Jake testified.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
There is a lot that came out in trial, and
we're going to break it all down and ultimately talk
about the results, which if you are all familiar with
any thing Wagner related, they are all going to be
behind bars for a very very long time, as.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
They should be.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
So the trial of George Wagner the fourth started on
September twelfth of twenty twenty two in Waverley, Ohio.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
The jury consisted.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Of nine women and three men, and they picked six alternates, which.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Consisted of five women and one man.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
And typically in a trial, they don't pick six alternates,
but they picked so many because they anticipated the trial
to last from six to eight weeks, but it ended
up lasting almost three months, and that's a long time
for a trial, so they wanted to make sure that
they had enough alternates just in case somebody got sick
(20:38):
or had a family emergency pop up and they weren't
able to fulfill their jury service. The jury consisted of
a teacher, There were a couple of local business owners,
There was a physical therapist, and they had a good
variety of ages. Some were in their twenties, some were
in their thirties, but the majority were in their forties
and fifties. And I think having a wide variety of
(21:01):
jur age and gender and roles and jobs is so
important in a trial like this because we have eight victims,
some are young, some are older, and the defendant himself
is a younger individual. So very interesting to see the
dynamics of the jury and all of that. The trial
(21:22):
itself involved sixty witnesses and close to five thousand pieces.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Of evidence, which is a heck of a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Like I said, this trial lasted forever, and there was
so many expert witnesses. We have ballistic witnesses that talk
about the gunfire, and there's just so much. The things
we learn in this trial, the planning that went in
to all of this, it's going to absolutely blow your mind.
(21:51):
So we are going to go ahead and get into
all of the trial happenings. So we're going to start
with openings first. And this is a wild ride. So
the prosecution starts with their opening statements. So these are
the opening highlights from the state. So they said that
(22:11):
Chris Roden sor was the one who was the intended target.
They said that Gary Roden was killed simply because he
was just there and the rest of the family were
murdered because they knew things, They knew secrets and they
could potentially tie it back to the Wagner family being involved.
(22:31):
All of the victims except for three of them, Dana, Gary,
and Chris Senior, were.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Killed in their sleep.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
The state said that the idea to kill Hannah first
came from Billy Wagner and Jake initially said no to it,
but he was encouraged to do so by his parents,
and they had originally planned to kill Hannah n Corey
to make it look like Corey did a murder suicide.
(22:58):
They said that the killings have in one night. The
state claimed that Billy had intentionally left his phone at
Angela Wagner's house that night of the murders, and he
went to speak with Chris Senior to talk about a
drug deal because they did grow pot together and they
(23:19):
sold it, so they were already kind of dealings with
drugs together when Billy arrived to Chris Senior's trailer that night.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
When he got there, he asked Chris to call his cell.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Phone because he had quote unquote lost it and was
trying to find it. So when Chris called Billy's cell phone,
Angela answered it because Billy had left it at home
with Angela. And the whole reason that Billy did this
is so he could have an alibi to say that
he was at home with Angela where his cell phone
(23:54):
was at the time of the murders. This guy is
so methodical in his planning, although he didn't do a
really good job because he ended up getting caught, and
then they went on to talk about Hannah getting pregnant
by Jake when she was only fifteen years old, and
that pretty much immediately once Hannah became pregnant, Jake and
(24:15):
his family were plotting to eventually get primary and full
custody of her, and Angela had like this really weird
obsession and wanted Sophia, Jake's daughter, to call Angela mom.
It is all just so bizarre, the obsession that Angela
seemed to have like with her kids, and then the
(24:36):
control that she wanted to have over her grandkids.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
And there were a lot of fights that.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Went on in the Wagner family home between Hannah and
the Wagoners, and some of them became physical, and Hannah
ended up breaking up with Jake.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
In twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
And then they talked about the message that Hannah had
sent to somebody saying that they're going to have to
kill me first before she would hand over custody of
Sophia willingly. And then the state went on to say
that Angela Wagner happed into Hannah's social media and knew
kind of where Hannah's mind was. The State and Prosecution
(25:16):
then lays out the crime scenes. They talk about how
there are four murder homicide scenes. At the first one,
we have Chris Senior and Gary Rodin, who was found
by a family member. That family member then goes next
door to Frankie's house to let Frankie know what's going on,
and she is greeted by a child who said that
(25:39):
his parents are playing zombie. And then they find Frankie
and Hannah Hazel Gilly while her infant son lay next
to her and the three year old is trying to
figure out what is going on with his parents.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Just awful, awful, awful.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Then they talk about the next crime scene, which is
the I'm seen of Dana Rodin, Hannah Rodin, and Chris Junior,
and they found Dana shot. She had a pillow over
her head. The state said that Jake Wagner shot her.
She was awake playing on her cell phone after she
had worked a double shift at her nursing job, and
(26:19):
then Jake went and shot and killed Hannah and Chris Junior.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Apparently, the state is saying.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
That Hannah had woken up and she was kind of
in a state of fog and saw Jake standing in
the doorway but didn't realize it was him, and then
he opened fire and killed her. And at that point
in time, she was nursing her newborn baby, baby Kylie,
and I believe she was nursing at the time when
(26:45):
she had woken up and seen Jake standing in.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
The doorway, and then he ended up killing her.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
So he ended up repositioning her body after he killed
her so she could still nurse her baby. This is
not a rational human at all. The baby, of course,
was not harmed. Jake then went into Dana's room and
shot her several more times and.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Put apillo over her head.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Then he went and killed Chris Junior, and then the
whole crew of them traveled to Kenneth Roden's house and
killed him because he would know that it was the
Wagners who carried out the axe. He is the one
who was shot through the eye while he slept. Just
horrific people to even do anything like this. They then
(27:29):
go on to talk about the shell casings, and they
were able to compare the shell casings that were found
at the various crime scenes with shell casings that were
on the Wagner family property.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Because they always used.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Different guns at their property for target practice and They
said that, just like fingerprints, gun barrels and firing pins
leave one of a kind traces on shells, and they
were able to match those back to the Wagners. The
gun that was in question was used to kill Chris Junior,
Hannah and Dana per the State. Then they talk about
(28:05):
the murder weapons and they say that the guns that
were used to kill the Rodents were placed in buckets
of concrete and gifted to a member of the Wagner
family on Father's Day as boat anchors. This family member
had no idea that this was the case, and the
anchors later would be cut from a rope on a
(28:28):
boat and dropped into a pond, and Jake Wagner is
the one that confessed to the state that they were
at the bottom of the pond and they got a
search warrant and they found the blocks of water and
they found the murder weapons inside. These people planned this
stuff out and there's no denying it because the weapons
match the showcasing markings to a t, just like fingerprints.
(28:52):
They go on to talk about the Walmart shoes. They
said that they planned these murders so much in advance
that they bought quote unquote murders shoes from Walmart for
the purpose of committing these crimes and then disposing of them.
And they talked about the bloody shoe prints. One of
the prints was traced back to a shoe that was
(29:12):
only sold Walmart. And then they got a search warrant
on a storage trailer that was owned by the Wagners,
and they discovered a Walmart receipt for said shoes. And
who's the one who went and bought the shoes at
Walmart per video surveillance, none other than Angela Wagner. It
(29:32):
all connects, guys, It every bit of this connects. Then
they talk about listing devices that the state had placed
using warrants inside the vehicles that were driven by the Wagners,
and they picked up some different conversations, but they really
picked up very minimal amounts of things because the family
(29:52):
was always very paranoid and on high alert that they
were being ease dropped on. Then it gets why, so
they bring up Norman Ritas. If you guys don't know
who Norman Ritas is, he is an actor.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
He was on The Walking Dead.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Well, Jake Wagner was obsessed and idolized Norman Ritas and
Jake would cut and dye his hair to look like
Norman Ritas, and he also carried out the murders like
scenes from a movie that Norman ritis was in called Boondock,
Saints and the Walking Dead, which I just referenced. And
(30:32):
they said that there was evidence on Jake Wagner's cell
phone that shows that he watched a murder scene from
the Saints movie before he went and committed these crimes.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
In which two brothers kill others.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Basically meaning George Wagner and Jake Wagner are working together
as brothers to kill this family.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
It's just like what was in the movie.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
So bizarre his upsides with Norman Ritas. When you see
pictures of him from like right after the murders, he
does resemble Norman Ritas with his haircut and his hair
collar and everything. And then they talk about how Billy
and Angela Wagner had been talking one night after the
murders and Billy said to Angela that George was having
(31:20):
some nightmares about the murders, and Angela said, well, I
don't know why he's having nightmares.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
He's not the one that killed anybody.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
And this is basically Angela confessing to these murders.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
And this is very.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Much going to be the angle that the defense is
going to use to try to get George off, because George.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Was just an innocent victim and all of this.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
He was just brought into this by his family. He
was just going along with the plan, and they're going
to try to spin the fact that George didn't kill anybody.
So that is the defense's angle, and we're now going
to get into the defense and they're opening arguments and
we're going to go from there. So the defense's angle
(32:03):
was very much that George was just.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
A pawn in all of this, and.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
They told the jurors that Jake is going to testify
that his brother George did not shoot or kill anybody,
and that the murders were not George's idea and he
wasn't part of it, he didn't help plan it. They
very much wanted to paint a picture that George was
different from all of his family and that he was
not a part of this, and that Angela Wagner and
(32:31):
Jake Wagner both have accepted plea deals and that they
are going to do anything they can.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
To save themselves.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
The defense then laid out everyone's motives during the opening statement,
and that was Angela's motive was because she believed Sophia
was being molested by somebody in the road and family.
Jake's motive was jealousy and the custody of his daughter,
and Billy's motive was drugs. And by this George had
(33:00):
no motive and that is why he was not involved
and he did not kill anybody.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
They then closed out the.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Opening statements basically saying that the evidence is going to
show that Jake Wagner is the one who killed all
eight people, and that George Wagner should not be charged
with murder or face the death penalty or life in
prison because he was not involved. So there very much
the defense is going to be portraying this angle that
(33:29):
George Wagner simply just was in the wrong place at
the wrong time. He did not plan out or do
any of the eight killings, and that it was all
Jake Wagner's plan and he just kind.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Of was along for the ride, so to say.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
So that is kind of where the opening statements start
and end. The first witness up in the trial was
Bobby Joe Manley, who was Dana Rhaden's sister and also
the ex sister in law of Chris Roden Senior and
the one that happened upon Chris Senior and Gary Roden's
body on that day, and then went next door and
(34:11):
found Frankie Rodin and Hannah Hazel Gilly. So she testified
to the reason that she was at the house that morning,
how things just seemed a little off because the door
wasn't open, she let herself in, she found the bodies.
She thought that they had been drugged to a back
bedroom because you could see that there was drag marks
on the floor, and then she went next door to
(34:35):
try to alert Frankie as to what was going on,
and that is when she unfortunately found Frankie and Hannah.
During cross examination, they asked her how long she had
worked for Chris Senior, and she said that she had
gone there for a few years and she would help
him with the chickens, feeding them, caring for them and
(34:57):
all of that. And they then asked her about the
rumors that had been circulating about Chris being involved in
some illegal cockfighting and different drug deals, and she said
she did not know anything about that, but she said
there was some chickens there and she would feed them.
That was part of what she did to help Chris
Senior out. The defense then went on to ask Bobby
(35:21):
Joe if she ever saw Jake Wagner visiting Chris's house,
and she said that she had seen him there a
few times. And they asked her if she knew about
any illegal drug deals that Chris Senior was involved in,
and they asked about marijuana growing operations and different trips
to Mexico that allegedly had been taken, and she said
(35:43):
she did not know about anything that happened out of
the country, but she did say that sometimes Chris would
leave for several days and Chris did have security cameras
at his property. The second witness that was called was
a man and named Billy Morgan. He was with Bobby
Joe Manley the day that she found the bodies.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
They are friends. So his testimony is kind.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Of all over the place because he seemed to be
pretty poorly educated, I guess is the best way for
me to put it. He said that he didn't know
how to read or how to write, and that he
didn't know exactly how old he was, but that he
was born in the nineteen seventies. He said that he
had known Chris Rodin for only about a month and
(36:32):
had worked for him doing odd jobs. They asked him
about any type of knowledge of drug activity that Christopher
Roden Senior was involved in. He said he didn't know
of any illegal activity, but sometimes he smelled weed on
the property when he walked by, but he never really
thought anything of it, and he told prosecutors that he
(36:55):
did not know what pot looked like.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Even if he had seen it, he would not have known.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
When they did the cross examination, he said that he
saw Billy Wagner at one point and visit Chris Rodent
a few times, and that Chris and Billy would go
out into.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
The truck and they would talk.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
He testified that after he found out about Frankie and
Hannah and Chris and Gary, that he was called to
go to Dana's house to tell her what had happened,
and when he arrived, he found that the door was open,
and then he found Dana on her bed with a
pillow over her face, and he talked about the other
(37:35):
people that he found there as well. And during the
cross examination, the defense very much was still going for this.
Do you know anything about any drug activity, illegal drug activity,
cock fighting that the Rodents were involved in, and would
also go on to ask if James knew the Wagners,
(37:57):
and that was pretty much it for that witness. The
next witness up is Sergeant Jonathan Chandler. He is with
the Pike County Sheriff's Office and he was a deputy
with the Sheriff's office for about a year in twenty sixteen,
and he was the first deputy that was dispatched to
the multiple homicides. He goes on to say that he
(38:19):
was initially dispatched to the home of Chris Rodin Senior,
but before he could make it there, he was flagged
down by several people at the house next door, which
was the home of Frankie Rodin, and the family had
said there are two kids inside and two people are deceased.
He said that the baby inside of Frankie and Hannah's
(38:41):
home was covered from head to toe in blood and
that the blood on the toddler did not belong to
either of the children, but it was that of the
baby and the toddler's parents, Hannah and Frankie, that were inside.
He also said that Frankie had bruising end, gunshot wounds
(39:02):
to his head. He worked a super long day that
day and worked from seven am to two am, and
he said one of the last things he did before
he went home was he went to Dana Rodent's house
and he helped the agents remove the three bodies from
the home. That is, the bodies of Dana, Christopher Junior,
(39:25):
and Hannah. Now, they did ask him about the shoes
he was wearing, and this was one of the things
that they consistently did anybody that went to the crime
scene that day, They talked about the shoes that they
were wearing because it is going to play a role
later when we talk about the bloody shoe prints that
(39:45):
are going to be brought up as part of the
evidence against the Wagner family. The last witness of the
day was a paramedic named Justin Wearing, who was called
He testified that he was the first EMM crew on
the scene of the homicides and when they were initially dispatched,
it was a call that was placed as assaults, but
(40:09):
when he arrived they realize that the people at the
scenes were deceased. The defense asked him if the bodies
had rigamortis, and he said he didn't know because he
didn't touch the bodies, he did not examine the bodies,
and that was not in his field of practice.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
So that was it for.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Day two of testimony, and that is where we are
going to call it for this episode. The next episode
is going to be all trial happenings. If there's anything
that isn't super important in the case, I'm probably not
going to go over it because we're talking about months
of trial stuff that I'm having to go through here.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
So there are.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
A lot of witnesses that I can probably summarize pretty quickly,
so I am going to be doing that. But we
are officially in the trial happenings and we are going
to try to get through it as efficiently and quickly
as we can while still giving all of the important
necessary details in this whole trial. So join me for
(41:13):
part three of this story. Next week, I am going
to be talking a lot more trial happenings, getting into
some really interesting witnesses, and we are going to take
it from there. So I will see you guys on
Thursday night for a brand new Unsolved Case, and next
week for episode three of summer series twenty twenty five,
(41:34):
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
The Breakfast Club
The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, And Charlamagne Tha God!