August 3, 2025 • 44 mins
We continue with the wire taps! We are slowly working our way through the last few days of the states case against George Wagner.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Summer Series twenty twenty five. The Roden Family Murders,
also known as the Pike County Massacre. We're going to
be discussing the murders of Dana Roden, Christopher Roden Senior,
Kenneth Roden, Gary Roden, Frankie Rodin, Hannah Hazel Gilly, Hannah Rodin,
and Christopher Roden Junior. Let's go ahead and dive right
(00:22):
into Summer Series twenty twenty five. Welcome to Summer Series,
Part ten. We are still in the throes of getting
through all of the wire taps, and there's a lot.
There is so much back and forth so far with
these wire taps. We've heard from Jake and beth Ann.
They've had a conversation. We've heard Jake and Angela Wagner
(00:45):
have a conversation. We've heard George and Jake have a conversation,
although it was mostly just them screaming at each other.
And now we're going to hear a conversation that George
had with his mom, Angela Wagner from Jake's phone. So
he was using Jake's phone to make this phone call
and I am going to play that now.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Well, then you get.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Home we're gonna have a fad a meeting about what
about all of that? They're gonna do crap and what's.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Not a Hey, this character everyone knows that.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Okay, do you know what? Listen to me?
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Listen all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
They don't listen to me.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
One Okay, we're gonna do on one it. Hey, what we're.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Gonna do on what?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
In no sense?
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Now when you get home, you get ready.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
If I'm done, nobody wants.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
To listen to you.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Don't come back before the prisons before they.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Can start, Honey, worked up from here and when the
first day everything they have done.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Of what they kids them, what he should boil off
while he sat the freaking directed chair up there, then
an illegal man, don't make it up with me.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
If you do not do this.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well or honey, I'm trying like that, Well, you'll go
it both.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
And you don't at them both when they stringer just
doing this thing? Could I get out of what they're
trying to get times first they couldn't the bad outside
theirself out pickle that took themselves.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, George, Henny, I'm to hold on.
Speaker 7 (02:36):
I'm thinking in there right now and I won't go
down if you're gonna answer this phone the money boarding
I would have knocked down.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Ain't how main he wasn't even there.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
He told me he was out of the family.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
I don't care. I will find my mother figure a
good thousand dollars. I want to fly.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, I very with you on that. Look, I'll let
you know just.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
As thing as I hear something.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Okay, tell this works, don't work, tidy char chicken and
full crack. You still come back and go on the
freaking offensive.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Well, well I got work like that.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
You will not send a chance, Okay, don't look, don't
want drinking and cookery.
Speaker 7 (03:17):
I don't want to do it.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I wanted to pop.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
I don't yard.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I can't deal with no more of you and your
the cafine. Okay, I can't. I don't mom, I'm pass
I'm not doing this more. They're not gonna do that.
Therapaustic sold me. I move with the want of them.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Okay, we do help.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
They want about the soothing. If you don't get a
hold on by Monday, I'll find the different.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Time and I'm going I want to go on the.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Mother clicking offensive and a passive mother.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
But that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
But we don't have the money. I'll like we did
that more?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, well a waiting mass. Hey listen, I said I
did that.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Did you give me many out of afforded score that christ?
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Oh? Yeah, I was how much I always was?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I wonder because you know they were talking again about
her COVID dog. Oh, I know, even tended to involve that.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Am I yeah, come up home?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Well, okay, that's fine.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
I don't get why do I want.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
To care the strap door. I don't say both the
ACA god Chest, the Jackie fell In.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Oh that's you don't like Gray for bovine Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Rather than that, George, you can't think that it's hot,
it's fancy.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
You can't make him see everything goes on your home.
I think all the time. That's good.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I'm just telling you that because they often went happening
yesterday with mom.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
To the door and they bought back. Hello, I know
the only I got down.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Okay, Okay, that one was so interesting. I think it
is so interesting how George is acting in these calls.
He is enraged, he is paranoid, he is flipping out.
Angela is the calm one in this call, which is
so interesting. I do not even understand this dynamic. Now,
(05:51):
you heard when it was the conversation between George and Jake.
It was basically just them screaming at each other, but
very much George b very heated and very passionate about
everything and basically wouldn't let Jake get a word an
edge wise, it's just such a very interesting dynamic between
the different members of this family and how they're all
(06:12):
kind of navigating their quote unquote new norm because they
know that they're being looked at, they know that they're
being watched. Of course, not to the extent that they
were because they actually were recording their phone conversations. But
he is so paranoid about everything, and it's really coming
out in these calls.
Speaker 8 (06:32):
Okay, this next call is.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
From George to Angela and the topic of conversation is
about law enforcement.
Speaker 8 (06:39):
So to me, this one is very interesting. I am
going to start playing it now.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
That's what they're doing. And they think quiver call and
I like, okay, well.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
To death sense you think that that's one of them
another scaractic it could be. I'm telling you they're going
to expect us to do is retaliate and blow up
to the freaking who and all of the world wide
and everything that they get he legaled off and bring
up the backs of.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
The whole world. I will run. The whole world doesn't
know circuit grad being guided and they freaking investigated themselves.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Being perfect and paid off the.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Ball off of the drunk line.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
And yeah, the whole world that I'm not the whole world.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Notice that there's about dirty room here. Yes, they know
that you're blowing up the fox.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Use the reader and the why and.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
Why and all involved in it and their names at
the top of the list or thirty and if you
know everything they give you up the border and what
they threatenate Sophie watching what they get the target.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
The children never did it, and you blow all that up.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
And lets them see the world.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Let the whole world see what they did and how
they really are. They be a devastating blow to them.
They won't recover from it.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I think I think we need to talk of that
hand and then thinking.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
With the people in Washington.
Speaker 7 (08:05):
I don't mean that Joe John to do that. John,
if you get the higher up, you get the main
people Washington. That's THEI everybody on your side, wall of
all the world.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
On your side.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Against their mothers. They will trumple and they will break.
They pay it off. The stakes to Bobby Die have
to take to head off the face.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Yeah, I know that joint.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
I know, I know that is begin game.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I know, okay, I you know one.
Speaker 9 (08:31):
I love.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
The only reason I'm sorry you everything you have that
I've never gotten in trouble for the mother friggers, the
only reason they ever got away of the crafts.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
Because every time somebody cave the may crumple, I ain't
came and I pumfor the.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Good time.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
I'm going on the offensive, and I were e literally
humpled their.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
Mother briggers where they won't recover, they will go. There's
a single five to Officer rept in Center, Ohio.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
What I've done?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
God stop, Jeordie, not the you Okay, you don't work
that way. Well I don't know I'm doing hey way. Look,
I gotta hate me down.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
So the prosecution bringing this call in very much paints
a picture of George Wagner, of somebody that was very involved,
very very involved in all of this, wasn't afraid of
backing down, also didn't know his calls were being recorded.
But them playing this and showing this just really shows
(09:35):
how complicit George Wagner is in the whole thing, how
involved he is in the whole thing in my opinion. Next,
we have four picture messages that come through, and these
are coming through on June third of twenty eighteen from
George to Angela Wagner, and they are photos of Beth
(09:56):
Ann's journal entries, journal entries that she has hand writ
in herself. He is going through her things and taking
pictures and then sending them to Angela Wagner. Again, he
is involving himself in things that simply do not involve him.
And if anything, it shows that he is willing to
(10:16):
put himself in situations and put himself in things that
really don't necessarily involve him, I e. The eight homicides
of the Rodent family and Hannah Hazel Gilly. The next
phone call is on June sixth of twenty eighteen. It
is a call from George Wagner to Angela Wagner. And
(10:37):
in this phone call they talk about Tabitha.
Speaker 8 (10:40):
So let's go.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
And one of those.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Figure the other one I have here.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Okay, okay, well we're putting together.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Take that. Do what if I allowed a couple of days.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
You gotta make sure it's gonna they said, make him.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I'm allowed to say if I'm not allowed to kick
anyone off, that's.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
I don't know, George, Honey, kay if I was allowed
to do that.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
And I told you what he said and I couldn't.
It just says. He didn't really say a whole lot.
He just so he said, was this, Okay, she's.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Not paid anything, no support, no, not gave a die
for him since.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Okay, right, because for the last year she has.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
Not contacted him perstantly, And he wanted to know the
last time that she's seen him in person.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
And I told him, I said, He said, I.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
I think I can't remember that was and I said,
and I said, he said bye. So that said I
was like where we met, And I said, the rest
of the times he's got that hat off.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
The doors just all stitched him, play with him.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
He could keep ring a picture for him to have,
you know, here's a picture of you know, mommy and all.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Of that stuff.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
But when you're gone or anything.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
I fid said, he can I know, And that's what
I thought.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Even he said, Well, he said either or cold or
after they're all right, because.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
They want more from ont to say for the hotel,
corn and everything.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Yeah, do it, man, I.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Told you, I'm going to You know, the renal girl
was either already born or one's ready to be born.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
And here's what he said.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
She can tast anything that.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
She wants to do, anything you do, as far as
I cust my god, she can test the court.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
But when the dux sees what he has not done,
and he's.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Not going to give her and he he's not going
to get any more right than what he had.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
What he can't The only thing that he can say,
do that you can now.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
Look, I wouldn't get to go effort. I would tell her, hey,
look you've not put an effort.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
You've not get this, this and this, You've not done this.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
I offered to pay. You didn't agree because you your husband.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
So from here on out, if I want and you
comes in, I'll think you're out.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
That's fun.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
You want me.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
That you've done that stuff. Ruful guy, guy, you've done
that before, and I do it no more.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Not being a good life.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Feeling's older. If you care, that's.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Yeah, that that's what I would do.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I think it's so entertaining how these two truly think
that they have it all figured out. When it comes
to all of these different women that they have issues with, Well,
they've already killed Hannah, so they don't really have to
worry about her. But they do have to worry about
Tabitha because she is the mother of Bulvine, George's son.
And then they have beth Ann, who is at this
(14:09):
point in time still married to Jake. So those two
right now are their biggest targets. And honestly, this is
just my opinion. I think if they hadn't been arrested,
that something more would have happened to the two of them.
And I hate to even go there with it, but
I truly don't think that these are normal people that
(14:29):
we're working with.
Speaker 8 (14:30):
George made an interesting.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Comment earlier when he said, you have to cut the
head of the snake off, and that is so very
telling when it comes to the Wagner family, and in
my opinion, the head of the snake is Angela Wagner.
She is pulling the strings through all of this. At
least that's how things are very much being laid out
and presented through these wire taps. I have learned so
(14:55):
much about Angela Wagner and her role in things and
how she manipulates those around her. She manipulates her kids,
and she manipulates them against each other, against the women
in their lives.
Speaker 8 (15:07):
It is so so interesting. I don't know how many.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Times I've said that, but the family dynamic here really
really needs to be studied. So the next phone call
is between Jake Wagner and Angela Wagner and George Wagner
is kind of interjecting at points in the background, and
they are basically talking about Beth Anne.
Speaker 8 (15:27):
So we are going to play that one now.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Pet You're right, and we got to figure out something
because I'm left, we're running on borrow time.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I have that feeling that we are absolutely, you know,
running on borrow cood. That man is going anion pact.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I don't know why, but he is notively.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
On ovingiine that I got to make sure everything is okay,
and then we can't have anybody that is trying to
ruin that.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
We can oh one O, they tell me n We'll
make sure that she will make sure that think.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
They're still mined Davy and that Pops they don't. Then
my then dog, I won't up there, you know, walk
at John did you win it. She don't know well paper, yes.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
I know your the guce do that. And she's not
gonna what the weapon y'all women, Well they know that's possibility.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Take But Raydon Burger when he told me about that's
basically a prenupt is what that is. And Raven Burger
when got was getting married, Raven told me they really
don't hold up.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
The measure in California or somewhere.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
And you've got an attorney that you're paying a couple
of hundred thousand dollars too.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Now the other thing you can.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Do, okay, something you can do, and John mentioned it,
we can hire a private investigator. Private investigator can find
out everything in a short period of time and tell
us every single thing of devastation about her.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I have a phone number.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I can make someone call Monday morning and tell you,
I mean, no offense. Take as quick as you jumped
into that and stuff. It probably wouldn't hurt you to
know some background.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I don't want to make humans.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
That's the thing I don't want to do. I mean,
we're already got the world now as I don't want you,
I mean I want you faith, so you can do
whatever for your boat.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
Ok what I do about jobs and whether you need
you have, whether you need in short, I die or
my face dogs, you know what you want?
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Well, I.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Have faith in God.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Okay, I do.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I know God is he can have faith.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I don't have faith in humankind because that their free will,
their free will, you know, get them.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
You said so yourself, Jacob that night, that she come
up with.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Quick answers so fast that after what we've been through,
it's just burst out on line because the answers are
too quick and too perfect.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
No, you said that God now not too perfect?
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Just two quips what I do the same thing, and
he shut out that your mother. I do that all
the time. And now I'm just pure everything.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
So I'm not liar.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
You know, before we die, I wasn't liar, I under
said when I done job, they said it look like
I was lying.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So I think out looks like like, Okay, have you
ever caught her in a lie?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
It kept to the one that one you had, you
caught her into the windy night or whatever that thing was.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
I can haven't call her in anymore so, non single one.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
On No, So when you asked her about that paperwork
that night because she read that one, and she instantly
tell you she did it.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
She said, have you ever written your ring down about
the guy or uhh or what I'm saying this guy
or something like that, and she said nothing, I never
read anything that all about you. You haven't played herself
(20:16):
with guy. And she said, no, I've never read anything
about this guy.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Even though I feel okay, So you're saying that you
did not write a letter write down and so she
was going to her mom and doing something.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
She did do something like that, and she said, I
never wrote.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Guy saying about this guy. Uh, I could have doount something.
I was angry, but it wasn't about these guys.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
It was just changing her with you said that. Getfore
she was turning.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Out about angry and something kind I felt, okay, Say
did you have a letter that will I said, uh,
something like that he was.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Angry with Paul and that you was going to uh
say something and get her put you know, well they
printed putch squat And she said, no, not write nothing
like that. I did write something that it would be
horrible that I could. And I, however, severity, don't question okay, okay,
(21:49):
all right, well anyway, that doesn't yet it doesn't. They
told them that, great Mark, it doesn't say that I
got right, yeah, good bot get the let's be back here.
I have the power to this, this and this it now.
But it would not be true exactly. What's Yeah, yeah,
(22:10):
it does say that.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
It does. It is just it does.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Okay, it's just okay, listen, look but he well, I'll
here with me.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I think I'm time page.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
I think it could be just an honest mistake.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
It could be an honest person who is really had
a roughly and it's honestly trying to sit in that everything.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Is is a monk. Okay, it could be or it's
the time or everything at the time that something in
question or comes up. What could what is he saying?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Hey, wait, what if he what if he's saying he
does very grieve?
Speaker 4 (23:05):
You could be a wi little arrested. But the old
family wish she was him.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
You don't want to say that I got my gosh, No,
we don't want that.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Don't even just don't even talk about that.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Just don't. Okay, that's that's wrong.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Working, I mean, that's that's wrong.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Worrying. Oh my lord, that's he that don't don't talk.
That's thing is this, don't talk.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
You don't remember, you don't know nothing. You miss that
and maybe dearly.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
That's the only thing you need to tell them people
because the okay time, they don't exist. Everything we say anyway.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
But I'm not saying no word.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Work because it won't work. Don't use again. Yes, that's what. No,
I'm just call that old party talk and I'm not
saying nothing. I just don't say word. It have to talk.
I'm talking talk. I'm not gonna talk. Don't stop.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Don't I can't try.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
I would like to get love, but choose best. Though
I though.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I didn't marry a man. I'm very many it.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Okay, but you don't know what you want. I'm not that.
You're very time, you're the nice. You can do whatever
you want that I have a li on that stop.
I know what you want to thank you do your friend.
And there's don't be wrong there I'm wrong. No, no, no, no, no,
(24:44):
no no no. I didn't say that. I'm saying I'm
hoping that I do want to know. That's the thing.
I wasn't married to your dad right now.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
And there I had a boyfriend, okay, and Teki Molne
was in concern and you guys and life settinger than
you know and dying because I'm not taking a life, Tea,
I'm gonna take.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
The electric care. I'm gonna die.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
I'm telling you if they frame us.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
If they frame us, I'm not sitting in prison. You
will not see the kids, they will not let them
come see you. You'll say die if you are done there.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
And you'll have to fight them retards off every single day.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I'm not doing that.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Well, I'm saying, I'm saying, nor what you do that,
I'll take my life. They won't. The gond says, I've
got fixture us to get out. Hey, I'm loving you.
If it's a fighting battle every single day in those places,
I don't want to do that. All my love is
(25:41):
the ball. If they that easy way.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
Out, I'm not got what.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
You're not thinking clearly, Jacob, Oh yeah, okay, I'll.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Take the playing get there. We're gonna ship down. What
you're gonna take death only instead of the ye what
you want have to the whole being, priding the whole lot.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Well you you what the gaol you rather than have
a life than you cha.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Walk. I should they make it out the rest chair.
I'm gonna see you the first off to stay. You
know what the I can't take your park right, I'll
take the way.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Don't get out.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Well wait a number. Thank I love him, blady listen
to me. I'm looking.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I gotta tell you that that he stop.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Talking about the stuff on this sun. Okay, and so
you know gunning, so.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
They probably do they not again't think me can.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Somewhere after that, and I was selling funny there like
the mind.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
I want you, Oh my god, trying to get off
the caffeine. He's gonna he's gonna run the weekend. It's
only gonna he runs the weekends when he come home.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Wait all week.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
You have your he all we ahead, Uh be happy anyway, gay, Look,
I oh, I don't want you to I don't want
you to say anything. Okay, I work. I'm telling him
to do what you want. I don't want to go
far up all. That's that's fine.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
That's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
I'm perfectly fine.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
And anyway, look, I'm gonna work out that.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
But I want to work.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I didn't need to help you when you get home.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
I don't want to help self and because I don't
want the idiot to hear every single thing I say.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Okay, so that was very telling if you ask me.
It seems like at this point they do have some
suspicions that they are being listened to. But it's interesting
when they talk about being framed because these heinous people
very much committed this EPE person homicide and there's no
(28:16):
framing to be had. And Angela says something about how
she'll take the death penalty over sitting in prison every day. Well,
that didn't age well because she is sitting in prison
every day, not on death row, not taking the death penalty,
sitting in prison every single day for her role in this.
(28:37):
So that's an interesting little tidbit hearing that now after
the fact, because this is my first time to listening
to these wiretaps from beginning to end. I'd heard little
bits and pieces of them throughout the trial when it
was all going on, but hearing them all from beginning
to end has really been a very interesting experience.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
For me too.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Okay, So our next call takes place between George and
Angela Wagner, and we are going to play that now.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Okay, Yeah, there's now, Okay, I love you, do you
want some kind so look at that one thing him.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
I don't know because she's home to take me j
the same to use with the same opinion on thing
gat you single, No, not exactly.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
There's also not the same situation either. She can't asking
much other questions.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
He didn't want talk about the type of stuff from Tom, and.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
He talked to her, probably got home and stuff on Tom. Something.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Well, I'm at the morning and she had a horrible
that we need that under the.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Jump yard, saying that that they didn't meet her because
he had me and that she doesn't need me. I
said him a good man, and she said, well he
might not be.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
I know. She said he might not need you for sex.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
He could get a whore because that.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
But he said he needs you for everything else. I said,
only doesn't. I'm really talk old books, I really do
of leaving.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
The other morning, she talked about it. She did, She
literally talked about leaving. She said that because she said
that Sophie tore up the wedding photo and that the
staving for an hour, that she didn't want Beth around
and she did.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
That's nisus nole.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
One of the ladies.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
I asked her.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Missus Ole didn't tell her. Even Pianna didn't tell her
that it was going to be difficulty and a mom
to tell me about Sophie. She told me that missus Nolan,
the other women that she trusted up there, told her
this is like that worked, that it was going to
be easy because of the fact that Sofy was over three,
her mother was already dead, so something would just laughs
(31:03):
on the her forget about her mother.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
And it would be a meat to take. And I
didn't thank him. Somebody could live a healthy little life,
so whenever they want, wherever they want them.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
And I know that's not going to happen.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
That's what she's only.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Because because he's gonna have to work. That has come
because he can't go up there.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
And the data they told her to move this way
to gravel if he had to get a bucket.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
He wanted her out here and meet her and the
kitch to move this.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Gravel right, moms throwing my yard after she.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Wrote grand he's mom's throwing the grass. I'm living the.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Gravel with a thread. And she comes out and wants
to know if I want her.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
To pan oh by the boys up in the house.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I said no, you don't have to.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
She said, what can I go the liver? I said, well,
that's I'm working on the gravel.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
For himself and him and if.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
She's winging out, they come and she's trying to and
she she's trying to bring me for it all.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
But she's trying to know that's a much other words,
I love you, I want the point and I don't
want to during the day. I'm sorry so because the
they are because all witness rowdy.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Yeah, okay, I want to witness.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
Your fighting all the time.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Okay, what mother mo ble?
Speaker 7 (32:25):
Yeah, I want.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Coming Okay, yeah, well that's amazing.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Because the situation we're in. I'm sorry, I don't want Okay,
that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Okay, look, let me say that.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
What else did she what out did she say?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
I always know she took good body say, I.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Know she's gonna she's got a leak in George and
she's gone like that anyway.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
I read that.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I read that letter you she's not left her because
she's got the money she's got so far.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
He gives her a tr that that's what she set
that all. I'm gone, Yeah, I know he shouldn't do that.
I'm telling you he shouldn't, and he was listening to him.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I'm telling him he saidn't. And if something else that
he he doesn't know.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
If something happened and he I come on there and
he gets arrested, yeah, don'thing will hit nothing.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
No, she'll leave with it.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I know that.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Sometimes I love this.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
Let me get.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
The witness that sis at all times, daylight hours, you know,
began to do that real and find.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
Me where your home?
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Mom?
Speaker 5 (33:47):
I'd like to leave you all.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Okay, God can God?
Speaker 7 (33:50):
You got to wag its tried sometimes Okay, suck it.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Yeah, that was like, okay, I don't I got it. Yep.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
That whole conversation is so interesting and if you don't
see all the pieces kind of floating together as Angela
being the puppet master behind the scenes, I don't even
have words. This stuff is truly so insane, and it's
(34:32):
really interesting to me that Jake so quickly moved on
and did marry Beth Anne because he brought another woman
into this tangled web of insanity that is the Wagner
family and involved her in all of this and then
gaslighting her into thinking everything is her fault.
Speaker 8 (34:52):
And it's just such an interesting dynamic.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I don't know how many times I have to say that,
but this whole family dynamic that the Wagners have going
on is so interesting. And listening also to these wire
taps from start to finish, you really start to see
George's roll in things, because he's not just an innocent
bystander by any means. He is deep in the trenches
(35:17):
in all of this and feeding into Angela and her craziness,
and it's just so interesting. And I don't know if
you could also hear George's son Bulvine in the background.
Angela is with him, because Angela is his surrogate mother
apparently and is always with this child and Sophia, and
(35:38):
Bulvine has injured himself and he's like crying, and she's
way too busy on this phone call to even try
and tend to him. So if this doesn't give you
a glimpse into the Wagner family dynamic, I don't even
have words. So the next audio recording was from inside
of the truck, and it is a recording of George
(36:02):
basically just yelling about Beth and god knows what else.
It is really really hard to understand at some parts,
but I am going to play it, and I apologize
in advance that this man has no self control and
just yells conversations instead of talks like a normal adult.
But we are going to get into that now. So
this is George Wagner going off on a tangent as always. Yeah,
(37:13):
that was a little bit much, but I wanted to
play it because I wanted you to hear what a crazy,
lunatic George Wagner can be, allegedly in my opinion. All right,
Next up, we have a call from Jake to Bethan's phone,
but Angela Wagner was using Bethan's phone at the time,
so it's him and Angela talking about Tabitha.
Speaker 8 (37:37):
Again.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
These people have no concept of like moving on with
their lives and they need to stop rehashing the past.
This phone call took place on June eighteenth of twenty eighteen,
so we're going to get into that now.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
Hello, Hey, I want.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Way wait wait, she's get asking something for me. Okay,
all right, okay, I think, like all those climbing nine
percent should that Tabby is using her old Facebook page
under Tabby Breach once she had when him and her
were together. Yeah, and I think she's got to her
(38:19):
old tricks again. I think she's got you know, a
bunch of guys, you know, running and stuff, you know,
how shoes.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
But anyway, I'm.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
Pretty sure she's choosing that page.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
So ask him if he remembers what the thing is
for that page?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Right, Okay, yes, and I don't care what kind of
movie you have him?
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Call me?
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Okay, all right, are you going?
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, okay, Well we don't have how Gravel Move today?
Speaker 9 (38:50):
Okay, okay, le, So she's calling Jay, well, Jake called her.
Speaker 8 (39:02):
I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
I think she called Jake from Beth's phone to ask
him to ask George for the password for Tabitha's old
Facebook account because she is somehow convinced that Tabitha is
quote unquote up to her old tricks whatever that means,
and wants to get access to her Facebook account. It
(39:25):
doesn't matter at this point. These people are gone from
your life. You've already isolated them and ruined them, ruined
their reputation, made life extremely difficult on them.
Speaker 8 (39:38):
What are you doing? What are you doing?
Speaker 9 (39:42):
These people drive me nuts?
Speaker 8 (39:44):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
The last call for this episode, because my head hurts,
is going to be a call from Billy Wagner's phone
to George Wagner. But of course, because Billy Wagner is
the head honcho behind this, he gave his phone to
a Angela Wagner to you. So we're going to hear
another conversation between Angela Wagner and George Wagner. And if
(40:07):
you didn't pick up the sarcasm, that was my sarcasm.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Oh okay, what did you mean? I want to.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
I want to sell.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
I live alone.
Speaker 10 (40:33):
I don't know what Chris bog is uh or anything
like that, but I set up with mom, and Mom
said that it was.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
A black guy, and I think the James of a
doubt that they said they came to us off and
then they said.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
The picture of an ass.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Myself, a picture.
Speaker 10 (40:58):
A picture of felt they're gonna put the bad the
gun or Don said, Don said, Lon said the picture
with Jake Coley the gun jack hand supposedly holding the
gun had.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
The tilings on it.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
So long, said but Lon saught.
Speaker 10 (41:18):
Mom said that it looked like he didn't she hadn't
never even seen us as below. But the same you know,
said they came out there just to park and said
that they were ready to lock things down, but if
my aph on whom they were ready to lock stuff
down on and Mom said, he didn't know that christ
was out there if they wanted to cough And.
Speaker 7 (41:35):
He told him that we hadn't a tony because I
got to the lead and.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
She said yeah, all said, well you're.
Speaker 10 (41:41):
Having attorney Lock said don't with this property in fine
that I seld you could get off all the way
at all.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
Second and I love Christ.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Off and look, I want to thank sure, I want
to know if one of those pictures had a picture
of Jake hands on the gun with the.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Or you want.
Speaker 8 (42:12):
That Yeah, all right, okay.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
So that is the conversation that took place after there
were photos that were sent allegedly of Jake holding a
gun and Jake holding a gun with a silencer on it,
and they were starting to kind of realize that there
was something going on.
Speaker 7 (42:42):
Now.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
The reason that they sent these photos law enforcement sent
these photos to George and I think to Angela's mom
because they wanted.
Speaker 8 (42:53):
Them to talk about this stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
And this is the whole reason that they wanted them
to talk is because they were being courted and they
wanted to know what they were going to say, they're
kind of essentially creating conversations for them to have because
other than all that's gone on with these eight homicides,
they have a lot of other family drama as well.
(43:15):
But them talking about all of that other family drama
it is important to the investigation, of course, because it
shows their characters in my opinion, but them sending pictures
like that and then having them start talking about it
on these calls is so important to this case, and
it really shows that they do have something to hide.
(43:36):
So we are going to call that good. For episode ten,
we are chugging through these wire tabs. I am really
trying to be thorough and let you hear them because
I do think hearing the context of them is so important.
And I swear I'll have Angela Wagner's high pitched let
me tell you something in my ear for the rest
(43:57):
of time, because I've just heard it way too much.
She is eight thousand percent the puppet master behind all
of this, at least that is still to this day
what I think, even more so after hearing these wire
taps from start to finish. But we are going to
finish up wire taps in the next episode and get
on with the testimony because we still have quite a
(44:18):
bit to go, and I'm telling you, the Summer Series
is going to last literally the rest of my life,
I feel like, but we are getting through it one
episode at a time. So thank you guys so much
for listening. I will see you next week for a
brand new Unsolved Case and another episode of Summer Series
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 8 (44:37):
Have a good one bye.
Welcome to Summer Series twenty twenty five. The Roden Family Murders,
also known as the Pike County Massacre. We're going to
be discussing the murders of Dana Roden, Christopher Roden Senior,
Kenneth Roden, Gary Roden, Frankie Rodin, Hannah Hazel Gilly, Hannah Rodin,
and Christopher Roden Junior. Let's go ahead and dive right
(00:22):
into Summer Series twenty twenty five. Welcome to Summer Series,
Part ten. We are still in the throes of getting
through all of the wire taps, and there's a lot.
There is so much back and forth so far with
these wire taps. We've heard from Jake and beth Ann.
They've had a conversation. We've heard Jake and Angela Wagner
(00:45):
have a conversation. We've heard George and Jake have a conversation,
although it was mostly just them screaming at each other.
And now we're going to hear a conversation that George
had with his mom, Angela Wagner from Jake's phone. So
he was using Jake's phone to make this phone call
and I am going to play that now.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Well, then you get.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Home we're gonna have a fad a meeting about what
about all of that? They're gonna do crap and what's.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Not a Hey, this character everyone knows that.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Okay, do you know what? Listen to me?
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Listen all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
They don't listen to me.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
One Okay, we're gonna do on one it. Hey, what we're.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Gonna do on what?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
In no sense?
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Now when you get home, you get ready.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
If I'm done, nobody wants.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
To listen to you.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Don't come back before the prisons before they.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Can start, Honey, worked up from here and when the
first day everything they have done.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Of what they kids them, what he should boil off
while he sat the freaking directed chair up there, then
an illegal man, don't make it up with me.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
If you do not do this.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well or honey, I'm trying like that, Well, you'll go
it both.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
And you don't at them both when they stringer just
doing this thing? Could I get out of what they're
trying to get times first they couldn't the bad outside
theirself out pickle that took themselves.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, George, Henny, I'm to hold on.
Speaker 7 (02:36):
I'm thinking in there right now and I won't go
down if you're gonna answer this phone the money boarding
I would have knocked down.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Ain't how main he wasn't even there.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
He told me he was out of the family.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
I don't care. I will find my mother figure a
good thousand dollars. I want to fly.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, I very with you on that. Look, I'll let
you know just.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
As thing as I hear something.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Okay, tell this works, don't work, tidy char chicken and
full crack. You still come back and go on the
freaking offensive.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Well, well I got work like that.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
You will not send a chance, Okay, don't look, don't
want drinking and cookery.
Speaker 7 (03:17):
I don't want to do it.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I wanted to pop.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
I don't yard.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I can't deal with no more of you and your
the cafine. Okay, I can't. I don't mom, I'm pass
I'm not doing this more. They're not gonna do that.
Therapaustic sold me. I move with the want of them.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Okay, we do help.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
They want about the soothing. If you don't get a
hold on by Monday, I'll find the different.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Time and I'm going I want to go on the.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Mother clicking offensive and a passive mother.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
But that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
But we don't have the money. I'll like we did
that more?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, well a waiting mass. Hey listen, I said I
did that.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Did you give me many out of afforded score that christ?
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Oh? Yeah, I was how much I always was?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I wonder because you know they were talking again about
her COVID dog. Oh, I know, even tended to involve that.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Am I yeah, come up home?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Well, okay, that's fine.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
I don't get why do I want.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
To care the strap door. I don't say both the
ACA god Chest, the Jackie fell In.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Oh that's you don't like Gray for bovine Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Rather than that, George, you can't think that it's hot,
it's fancy.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
You can't make him see everything goes on your home.
I think all the time. That's good.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I'm just telling you that because they often went happening
yesterday with mom.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
To the door and they bought back. Hello, I know
the only I got down.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Okay, Okay, that one was so interesting. I think it
is so interesting how George is acting in these calls.
He is enraged, he is paranoid, he is flipping out.
Angela is the calm one in this call, which is
so interesting. I do not even understand this dynamic. Now,
(05:51):
you heard when it was the conversation between George and Jake.
It was basically just them screaming at each other, but
very much George b very heated and very passionate about
everything and basically wouldn't let Jake get a word an
edge wise, it's just such a very interesting dynamic between
the different members of this family and how they're all
(06:12):
kind of navigating their quote unquote new norm because they
know that they're being looked at, they know that they're
being watched. Of course, not to the extent that they
were because they actually were recording their phone conversations. But
he is so paranoid about everything, and it's really coming
out in these calls.
Speaker 8 (06:32):
Okay, this next call is.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
From George to Angela and the topic of conversation is
about law enforcement.
Speaker 8 (06:39):
So to me, this one is very interesting. I am
going to start playing it now.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
That's what they're doing. And they think quiver call and
I like, okay, well.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
To death sense you think that that's one of them
another scaractic it could be. I'm telling you they're going
to expect us to do is retaliate and blow up
to the freaking who and all of the world wide
and everything that they get he legaled off and bring
up the backs of.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
The whole world. I will run. The whole world doesn't
know circuit grad being guided and they freaking investigated themselves.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Being perfect and paid off the.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Ball off of the drunk line.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
And yeah, the whole world that I'm not the whole world.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Notice that there's about dirty room here. Yes, they know
that you're blowing up the fox.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Use the reader and the why and.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
Why and all involved in it and their names at
the top of the list or thirty and if you
know everything they give you up the border and what
they threatenate Sophie watching what they get the target.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
The children never did it, and you blow all that up.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
And lets them see the world.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Let the whole world see what they did and how
they really are. They be a devastating blow to them.
They won't recover from it.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I think I think we need to talk of that
hand and then thinking.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
With the people in Washington.
Speaker 7 (08:05):
I don't mean that Joe John to do that. John,
if you get the higher up, you get the main
people Washington. That's THEI everybody on your side, wall of
all the world.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
On your side.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Against their mothers. They will trumple and they will break.
They pay it off. The stakes to Bobby Die have
to take to head off the face.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Yeah, I know that joint.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
I know, I know that is begin game.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I know, okay, I you know one.
Speaker 9 (08:31):
I love.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
The only reason I'm sorry you everything you have that
I've never gotten in trouble for the mother friggers, the
only reason they ever got away of the crafts.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
Because every time somebody cave the may crumple, I ain't
came and I pumfor the.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Good time.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
I'm going on the offensive, and I were e literally
humpled their.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
Mother briggers where they won't recover, they will go. There's
a single five to Officer rept in Center, Ohio.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
What I've done?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
God stop, Jeordie, not the you Okay, you don't work
that way. Well I don't know I'm doing hey way. Look,
I gotta hate me down.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
So the prosecution bringing this call in very much paints
a picture of George Wagner, of somebody that was very involved,
very very involved in all of this, wasn't afraid of
backing down, also didn't know his calls were being recorded.
But them playing this and showing this just really shows
(09:35):
how complicit George Wagner is in the whole thing, how
involved he is in the whole thing in my opinion. Next,
we have four picture messages that come through, and these
are coming through on June third of twenty eighteen from
George to Angela Wagner, and they are photos of Beth
(09:56):
Ann's journal entries, journal entries that she has hand writ
in herself. He is going through her things and taking
pictures and then sending them to Angela Wagner. Again, he
is involving himself in things that simply do not involve him.
And if anything, it shows that he is willing to
(10:16):
put himself in situations and put himself in things that
really don't necessarily involve him, I e. The eight homicides
of the Rodent family and Hannah Hazel Gilly. The next
phone call is on June sixth of twenty eighteen. It
is a call from George Wagner to Angela Wagner. And
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in this phone call they talk about Tabitha.
Speaker 8 (10:40):
So let's go.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
And one of those.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Figure the other one I have here.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Okay, okay, well we're putting together.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Take that. Do what if I allowed a couple of days.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
You gotta make sure it's gonna they said, make him.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I'm allowed to say if I'm not allowed to kick
anyone off, that's.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
I don't know, George, Honey, kay if I was allowed
to do that.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
And I told you what he said and I couldn't.
It just says. He didn't really say a whole lot.
He just so he said, was this, Okay, she's.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Not paid anything, no support, no, not gave a die
for him since.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Okay, right, because for the last year she has.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
Not contacted him perstantly, And he wanted to know the
last time that she's seen him in person.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
And I told him, I said, He said, I.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
I think I can't remember that was and I said,
and I said, he said bye. So that said I
was like where we met, And I said, the rest
of the times he's got that hat off.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
The doors just all stitched him, play with him.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
He could keep ring a picture for him to have,
you know, here's a picture of you know, mommy and all.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Of that stuff.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
But when you're gone or anything.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
I fid said, he can I know, And that's what
I thought.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Even he said, Well, he said either or cold or
after they're all right, because.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
They want more from ont to say for the hotel,
corn and everything.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Yeah, do it, man, I.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Told you, I'm going to You know, the renal girl
was either already born or one's ready to be born.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
And here's what he said.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
She can tast anything that.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
She wants to do, anything you do, as far as
I cust my god, she can test the court.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
But when the dux sees what he has not done,
and he's.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Not going to give her and he he's not going
to get any more right than what he had.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
What he can't The only thing that he can say,
do that you can now.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
Look, I wouldn't get to go effort. I would tell her, hey,
look you've not put an effort.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
You've not get this, this and this, You've not done this.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
I offered to pay. You didn't agree because you your husband.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
So from here on out, if I want and you
comes in, I'll think you're out.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
That's fun.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
You want me.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
That you've done that stuff. Ruful guy, guy, you've done
that before, and I do it no more.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Not being a good life.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Feeling's older. If you care, that's.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Yeah, that that's what I would do.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I think it's so entertaining how these two truly think
that they have it all figured out. When it comes
to all of these different women that they have issues with, Well,
they've already killed Hannah, so they don't really have to
worry about her. But they do have to worry about
Tabitha because she is the mother of Bulvine, George's son.
And then they have beth Ann, who is at this
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point in time still married to Jake. So those two
right now are their biggest targets. And honestly, this is
just my opinion. I think if they hadn't been arrested,
that something more would have happened to the two of them.
And I hate to even go there with it, but
I truly don't think that these are normal people that
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we're working with.
Speaker 8 (14:30):
George made an interesting.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Comment earlier when he said, you have to cut the
head of the snake off, and that is so very
telling when it comes to the Wagner family, and in
my opinion, the head of the snake is Angela Wagner.
She is pulling the strings through all of this. At
least that's how things are very much being laid out
and presented through these wire taps. I have learned so
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much about Angela Wagner and her role in things and
how she manipulates those around her. She manipulates her kids,
and she manipulates them against each other, against the women
in their lives.
Speaker 8 (15:07):
It is so so interesting. I don't know how many.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Times I've said that, but the family dynamic here really
really needs to be studied. So the next phone call
is between Jake Wagner and Angela Wagner and George Wagner
is kind of interjecting at points in the background, and
they are basically talking about Beth Anne.
Speaker 8 (15:27):
So we are going to play that one now.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Pet You're right, and we got to figure out something
because I'm left, we're running on borrow time.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I have that feeling that we are absolutely, you know,
running on borrow cood. That man is going anion pact.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I don't know why, but he is notively.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
On ovingiine that I got to make sure everything is okay,
and then we can't have anybody that is trying to
ruin that.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
We can oh one O, they tell me n We'll
make sure that she will make sure that think.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
They're still mined Davy and that Pops they don't. Then
my then dog, I won't up there, you know, walk
at John did you win it. She don't know well paper, yes.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
I know your the guce do that. And she's not
gonna what the weapon y'all women, Well they know that's possibility.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Take But Raydon Burger when he told me about that's
basically a prenupt is what that is. And Raven Burger
when got was getting married, Raven told me they really
don't hold up.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
The measure in California or somewhere.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
And you've got an attorney that you're paying a couple
of hundred thousand dollars too.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Now the other thing you can.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Do, okay, something you can do, and John mentioned it,
we can hire a private investigator. Private investigator can find
out everything in a short period of time and tell
us every single thing of devastation about her.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I have a phone number.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I can make someone call Monday morning and tell you,
I mean, no offense. Take as quick as you jumped
into that and stuff. It probably wouldn't hurt you to
know some background.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I don't want to make humans.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
That's the thing I don't want to do. I mean,
we're already got the world now as I don't want you,
I mean I want you faith, so you can do
whatever for your boat.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
Ok what I do about jobs and whether you need
you have, whether you need in short, I die or
my face dogs, you know what you want?
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Well, I.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Have faith in God.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Okay, I do.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I know God is he can have faith.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I don't have faith in humankind because that their free will,
their free will, you know, get them.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
You said so yourself, Jacob that night, that she come
up with.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Quick answers so fast that after what we've been through,
it's just burst out on line because the answers are
too quick and too perfect.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
No, you said that God now not too perfect?
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Just two quips what I do the same thing, and
he shut out that your mother. I do that all
the time. And now I'm just pure everything.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
So I'm not liar.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
You know, before we die, I wasn't liar, I under
said when I done job, they said it look like
I was lying.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So I think out looks like like, Okay, have you
ever caught her in a lie?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
It kept to the one that one you had, you
caught her into the windy night or whatever that thing was.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
I can haven't call her in anymore so, non single one.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
On No, So when you asked her about that paperwork
that night because she read that one, and she instantly
tell you she did it.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
She said, have you ever written your ring down about
the guy or uhh or what I'm saying this guy
or something like that, and she said nothing, I never
read anything that all about you. You haven't played herself
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with guy. And she said, no, I've never read anything
about this guy.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Even though I feel okay, So you're saying that you
did not write a letter write down and so she
was going to her mom and doing something.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
She did do something like that, and she said, I
never wrote.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Guy saying about this guy. Uh, I could have doount something.
I was angry, but it wasn't about these guys.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
It was just changing her with you said that. Getfore
she was turning.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Out about angry and something kind I felt, okay, Say
did you have a letter that will I said, uh,
something like that he was.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Angry with Paul and that you was going to uh
say something and get her put you know, well they
printed putch squat And she said, no, not write nothing
like that. I did write something that it would be
horrible that I could. And I, however, severity, don't question okay, okay,
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all right, well anyway, that doesn't yet it doesn't. They
told them that, great Mark, it doesn't say that I
got right, yeah, good bot get the let's be back here.
I have the power to this, this and this it now.
But it would not be true exactly. What's Yeah, yeah,
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it does say that.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
It does. It is just it does.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Okay, it's just okay, listen, look but he well, I'll
here with me.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I think I'm time page.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
I think it could be just an honest mistake.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
It could be an honest person who is really had
a roughly and it's honestly trying to sit in that everything.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Is is a monk. Okay, it could be or it's
the time or everything at the time that something in
question or comes up. What could what is he saying?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Hey, wait, what if he what if he's saying he
does very grieve?
Speaker 4 (23:05):
You could be a wi little arrested. But the old
family wish she was him.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
You don't want to say that I got my gosh, No,
we don't want that.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Don't even just don't even talk about that.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Just don't. Okay, that's that's wrong.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Working, I mean, that's that's wrong.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Worrying. Oh my lord, that's he that don't don't talk.
That's thing is this, don't talk.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
You don't remember, you don't know nothing. You miss that
and maybe dearly.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
That's the only thing you need to tell them people
because the okay time, they don't exist. Everything we say anyway.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
But I'm not saying no word.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Work because it won't work. Don't use again. Yes, that's what. No,
I'm just call that old party talk and I'm not
saying nothing. I just don't say word. It have to talk.
I'm talking talk. I'm not gonna talk. Don't stop.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Don't I can't try.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
I would like to get love, but choose best. Though
I though.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I didn't marry a man. I'm very many it.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Okay, but you don't know what you want. I'm not that.
You're very time, you're the nice. You can do whatever
you want that I have a li on that stop.
I know what you want to thank you do your friend.
And there's don't be wrong there I'm wrong. No, no, no, no, no,
(24:44):
no no no. I didn't say that. I'm saying I'm
hoping that I do want to know. That's the thing.
I wasn't married to your dad right now.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
And there I had a boyfriend, okay, and Teki Molne
was in concern and you guys and life settinger than
you know and dying because I'm not taking a life, Tea,
I'm gonna take.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
The electric care. I'm gonna die.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
I'm telling you if they frame us.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
If they frame us, I'm not sitting in prison. You
will not see the kids, they will not let them
come see you. You'll say die if you are done there.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
And you'll have to fight them retards off every single day.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I'm not doing that.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Well, I'm saying, I'm saying, nor what you do that,
I'll take my life. They won't. The gond says, I've
got fixture us to get out. Hey, I'm loving you.
If it's a fighting battle every single day in those places,
I don't want to do that. All my love is
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the ball. If they that easy way.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
Out, I'm not got what.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
You're not thinking clearly, Jacob, Oh yeah, okay, I'll.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Take the playing get there. We're gonna ship down. What
you're gonna take death only instead of the ye what
you want have to the whole being, priding the whole lot.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Well you you what the gaol you rather than have
a life than you cha.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Walk. I should they make it out the rest chair.
I'm gonna see you the first off to stay. You
know what the I can't take your park right, I'll
take the way.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Don't get out.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Well wait a number. Thank I love him, blady listen
to me. I'm looking.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I gotta tell you that that he stop.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Talking about the stuff on this sun. Okay, and so
you know gunning, so.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
They probably do they not again't think me can.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Somewhere after that, and I was selling funny there like
the mind.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
I want you, Oh my god, trying to get off
the caffeine. He's gonna he's gonna run the weekend. It's
only gonna he runs the weekends when he come home.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Wait all week.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
You have your he all we ahead, Uh be happy anyway, gay, Look,
I oh, I don't want you to I don't want
you to say anything. Okay, I work. I'm telling him
to do what you want. I don't want to go
far up all. That's that's fine.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
That's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
I'm perfectly fine.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
And anyway, look, I'm gonna work out that.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
But I want to work.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I didn't need to help you when you get home.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
I don't want to help self and because I don't
want the idiot to hear every single thing I say.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Okay, so that was very telling if you ask me.
It seems like at this point they do have some
suspicions that they are being listened to. But it's interesting
when they talk about being framed because these heinous people
very much committed this EPE person homicide and there's no
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framing to be had. And Angela says something about how
she'll take the death penalty over sitting in prison every day. Well,
that didn't age well because she is sitting in prison
every day, not on death row, not taking the death penalty,
sitting in prison every single day for her role in this.
(28:37):
So that's an interesting little tidbit hearing that now after
the fact, because this is my first time to listening
to these wiretaps from beginning to end. I'd heard little
bits and pieces of them throughout the trial when it
was all going on, but hearing them all from beginning
to end has really been a very interesting experience.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
For me too.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Okay, So our next call takes place between George and
Angela Wagner, and we are going to play that now.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Okay, Yeah, there's now, Okay, I love you, do you
want some kind so look at that one thing him.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
I don't know because she's home to take me j
the same to use with the same opinion on thing
gat you single, No, not exactly.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
There's also not the same situation either. She can't asking
much other questions.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
He didn't want talk about the type of stuff from Tom, and.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
He talked to her, probably got home and stuff on Tom. Something.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Well, I'm at the morning and she had a horrible
that we need that under the.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Jump yard, saying that that they didn't meet her because
he had me and that she doesn't need me. I
said him a good man, and she said, well he
might not be.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
I know. She said he might not need you for sex.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
He could get a whore because that.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
But he said he needs you for everything else. I said,
only doesn't. I'm really talk old books, I really do
of leaving.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
The other morning, she talked about it. She did, She
literally talked about leaving. She said that because she said
that Sophie tore up the wedding photo and that the
staving for an hour, that she didn't want Beth around
and she did.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
That's nisus nole.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
One of the ladies.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
I asked her.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Missus Ole didn't tell her. Even Pianna didn't tell her
that it was going to be difficulty and a mom
to tell me about Sophie. She told me that missus Nolan,
the other women that she trusted up there, told her
this is like that worked, that it was going to
be easy because of the fact that Sofy was over three,
her mother was already dead, so something would just laughs
(31:03):
on the her forget about her mother.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
And it would be a meat to take. And I
didn't thank him. Somebody could live a healthy little life,
so whenever they want, wherever they want them.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
And I know that's not going to happen.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
That's what she's only.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Because because he's gonna have to work. That has come
because he can't go up there.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
And the data they told her to move this way
to gravel if he had to get a bucket.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
He wanted her out here and meet her and the
kitch to move this.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Gravel right, moms throwing my yard after she.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Wrote grand he's mom's throwing the grass. I'm living the.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Gravel with a thread. And she comes out and wants
to know if I want her.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
To pan oh by the boys up in the house.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I said no, you don't have to.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
She said, what can I go the liver? I said, well,
that's I'm working on the gravel.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
For himself and him and if.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
She's winging out, they come and she's trying to and
she she's trying to bring me for it all.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
But she's trying to know that's a much other words,
I love you, I want the point and I don't
want to during the day. I'm sorry so because the
they are because all witness rowdy.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Yeah, okay, I want to witness.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
Your fighting all the time.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Okay, what mother mo ble?
Speaker 7 (32:25):
Yeah, I want.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Coming Okay, yeah, well that's amazing.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Because the situation we're in. I'm sorry, I don't want Okay,
that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Okay, look, let me say that.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
What else did she what out did she say?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
I always know she took good body say, I.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Know she's gonna she's got a leak in George and
she's gone like that anyway.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
I read that.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I read that letter you she's not left her because
she's got the money she's got so far.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
He gives her a tr that that's what she set
that all. I'm gone, Yeah, I know he shouldn't do that.
I'm telling you he shouldn't, and he was listening to him.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I'm telling him he saidn't. And if something else that
he he doesn't know.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
If something happened and he I come on there and
he gets arrested, yeah, don'thing will hit nothing.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
No, she'll leave with it.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I know that.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Sometimes I love this.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
Let me get.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
The witness that sis at all times, daylight hours, you know,
began to do that real and find.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
Me where your home?
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Mom?
Speaker 5 (33:47):
I'd like to leave you all.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Okay, God can God?
Speaker 7 (33:50):
You got to wag its tried sometimes Okay, suck it.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Yeah, that was like, okay, I don't I got it. Yep.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
That whole conversation is so interesting and if you don't
see all the pieces kind of floating together as Angela
being the puppet master behind the scenes, I don't even
have words. This stuff is truly so insane, and it's
(34:32):
really interesting to me that Jake so quickly moved on
and did marry Beth Anne because he brought another woman
into this tangled web of insanity that is the Wagner
family and involved her in all of this and then
gaslighting her into thinking everything is her fault.
Speaker 8 (34:52):
And it's just such an interesting dynamic.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I don't know how many times I have to say that,
but this whole family dynamic that the Wagners have going
on is so interesting. And listening also to these wire
taps from start to finish, you really start to see
George's roll in things, because he's not just an innocent
bystander by any means. He is deep in the trenches
(35:17):
in all of this and feeding into Angela and her craziness,
and it's just so interesting. And I don't know if
you could also hear George's son Bulvine in the background.
Angela is with him, because Angela is his surrogate mother
apparently and is always with this child and Sophia, and
(35:38):
Bulvine has injured himself and he's like crying, and she's
way too busy on this phone call to even try
and tend to him. So if this doesn't give you
a glimpse into the Wagner family dynamic, I don't even
have words. So the next audio recording was from inside
of the truck, and it is a recording of George
(36:02):
basically just yelling about Beth and god knows what else.
It is really really hard to understand at some parts,
but I am going to play it, and I apologize
in advance that this man has no self control and
just yells conversations instead of talks like a normal adult.
But we are going to get into that now. So
this is George Wagner going off on a tangent as always. Yeah,
(37:13):
that was a little bit much, but I wanted to
play it because I wanted you to hear what a crazy,
lunatic George Wagner can be, allegedly in my opinion. All right,
Next up, we have a call from Jake to Bethan's phone,
but Angela Wagner was using Bethan's phone at the time,
so it's him and Angela talking about Tabitha.
Speaker 8 (37:37):
Again.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
These people have no concept of like moving on with
their lives and they need to stop rehashing the past.
This phone call took place on June eighteenth of twenty eighteen,
so we're going to get into that now.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
Hello, Hey, I want.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Way wait wait, she's get asking something for me. Okay,
all right, okay, I think, like all those climbing nine
percent should that Tabby is using her old Facebook page
under Tabby Breach once she had when him and her
were together. Yeah, and I think she's got to her
(38:19):
old tricks again. I think she's got you know, a
bunch of guys, you know, running and stuff, you know,
how shoes.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
But anyway, I'm.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
Pretty sure she's choosing that page.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
So ask him if he remembers what the thing is
for that page?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Right, Okay, yes, and I don't care what kind of
movie you have him?
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Call me?
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Okay, all right, are you going?
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, okay, Well we don't have how Gravel Move today?
Speaker 9 (38:50):
Okay, okay, le, So she's calling Jay, well, Jake called her.
Speaker 8 (39:02):
I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
I think she called Jake from Beth's phone to ask
him to ask George for the password for Tabitha's old
Facebook account because she is somehow convinced that Tabitha is
quote unquote up to her old tricks whatever that means,
and wants to get access to her Facebook account. It
(39:25):
doesn't matter at this point. These people are gone from
your life. You've already isolated them and ruined them, ruined
their reputation, made life extremely difficult on them.
Speaker 8 (39:38):
What are you doing? What are you doing?
Speaker 9 (39:42):
These people drive me nuts?
Speaker 8 (39:44):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
The last call for this episode, because my head hurts,
is going to be a call from Billy Wagner's phone
to George Wagner. But of course, because Billy Wagner is
the head honcho behind this, he gave his phone to
a Angela Wagner to you. So we're going to hear
another conversation between Angela Wagner and George Wagner. And if
(40:07):
you didn't pick up the sarcasm, that was my sarcasm.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Oh okay, what did you mean? I want to.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
I want to sell.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
I live alone.
Speaker 10 (40:33):
I don't know what Chris bog is uh or anything
like that, but I set up with mom, and Mom
said that it was.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
A black guy, and I think the James of a
doubt that they said they came to us off and
then they said.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
The picture of an ass.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Myself, a picture.
Speaker 10 (40:58):
A picture of felt they're gonna put the bad the
gun or Don said, Don said, Lon said the picture
with Jake Coley the gun jack hand supposedly holding the
gun had.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
The tilings on it.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
So long, said but Lon saught.
Speaker 10 (41:18):
Mom said that it looked like he didn't she hadn't
never even seen us as below. But the same you know,
said they came out there just to park and said
that they were ready to lock things down, but if
my aph on whom they were ready to lock stuff
down on and Mom said, he didn't know that christ
was out there if they wanted to cough And.
Speaker 7 (41:35):
He told him that we hadn't a tony because I
got to the lead and.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
She said yeah, all said, well you're.
Speaker 10 (41:41):
Having attorney Lock said don't with this property in fine
that I seld you could get off all the way
at all.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
Second and I love Christ.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Off and look, I want to thank sure, I want
to know if one of those pictures had a picture
of Jake hands on the gun with the.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Or you want.
Speaker 8 (42:12):
That Yeah, all right, okay.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
So that is the conversation that took place after there
were photos that were sent allegedly of Jake holding a
gun and Jake holding a gun with a silencer on it,
and they were starting to kind of realize that there
was something going on.
Speaker 7 (42:42):
Now.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
The reason that they sent these photos law enforcement sent
these photos to George and I think to Angela's mom
because they wanted.
Speaker 8 (42:53):
Them to talk about this stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
And this is the whole reason that they wanted them
to talk is because they were being courted and they
wanted to know what they were going to say, they're
kind of essentially creating conversations for them to have because
other than all that's gone on with these eight homicides,
they have a lot of other family drama as well.
(43:15):
But them talking about all of that other family drama
it is important to the investigation, of course, because it
shows their characters in my opinion, but them sending pictures
like that and then having them start talking about it
on these calls is so important to this case, and
it really shows that they do have something to hide.
(43:36):
So we are going to call that good. For episode ten,
we are chugging through these wire tabs. I am really
trying to be thorough and let you hear them because
I do think hearing the context of them is so important.
And I swear I'll have Angela Wagner's high pitched let
me tell you something in my ear for the rest
(43:57):
of time, because I've just heard it way too much.
She is eight thousand percent the puppet master behind all
of this, at least that is still to this day
what I think, even more so after hearing these wire
taps from start to finish. But we are going to
finish up wire taps in the next episode and get
on with the testimony because we still have quite a
(44:18):
bit to go, and I'm telling you, the Summer Series
is going to last literally the rest of my life,
I feel like, but we are getting through it one
episode at a time. So thank you guys so much
for listening. I will see you next week for a
brand new Unsolved Case and another episode of Summer Series
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 8 (44:37):
Have a good one bye.
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