August 31, 2025 • 51 mins
In the last episode of the Pike County massacre we get into the closings, the verdict, and the status of everything today we also talk about some of the victim impact statements that were given, I’ll go over the sentencing for George Wagner, IV, Jake, Wagner, Angela, Wagner, and where the case stand today against Billy Wagner. We will also take some time to remember the victims of this heinous crime.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Summer Series twenty twenty five The Rodin Family Murders,
also known as the Pike County Masker. We're going to
be discussing the murders of Dana Roden, Christopher Roden Senior,
Kenneth Roden, Gary Roden, Frankie Rodin, Hannah Hazel Gilly, Hannah Rodin,
and Christopher Roden Junior. Let's go ahead and dive right
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into Summer Series twenty twenty five. All right, guys, welcome
to Part fourteen of Summer Series twenty twenty five Pike
County Masker.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We are getting to the end.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
We are going to talk about the closings today and
I'm going to try to fit everything into this episode
that I can. I'm hoping this will be the last episode.
I might have one more after this, though, but we
are very very close. So in Closings, the prosecution starts
off with their closings and it's about five hours long.
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I'm not going to go into all of that. We've
already kind of talked about all of the different evidence.
But one thing I do want to do is take
a little time and go over the part of the
closings that really remembers the victims and who the victims were.
We already know all of the evidence. We know all
the evidence against George, we know all the evidence against
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the Wagoners. But I want to take a minute to
talk about each of the victims and their impact and
how they were spoken about during closings. Now, I will say,
for whatever reason, during closings, initially there was crime scene
photos being shown. And I don't know if this was
intentional or completely accidental, but there was crime scene photos
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and it honestly was not the move in my opinion,
if it was intentional, if it was for like that
shock value, I don't think it was the best thing
to be looking at while you're rehashing everything that has
just transpired in the last forty three days. But they
eventually did take those photos down. But we're going to
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get into some of the closings now and talk a
little bit about each of the victims and honor them
the best way that we can, which is to remember
them in a positive way and not the horrible, heinous
way that their lives were stolen from them. So they
start off the closings basically by saying that these murders
were senseless, and they basically came out of suspicion and
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that is the reason that they transpired. They say that
all of the victims were unarmed and unsuspecting, and then
they talk about Frankie. He was twenty. He loved his children,
he liked derby car racing and his fiance. He had
just started a new job and it was on the
brink of beginning the rest of his life. He loved
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hunting and chicken fighting. He was not a drinker or
involved in the marijuana business. Frankie's crime for which he
got the death penalty was kissing his.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Niece on the lips.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
George said, Frankie was the type of man you'd have
to go through to get to his family, and that's
exactly what happened. Then they move on to Chris Sor
and Chris Senior, as we know, was a family man.
He worked hard and provided for his family. You hear
about his Fourth of July fireworks, and we know that
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he was involved in the marijuana business, but that has
nothing to do with this case. In the beginning, the
investigation turned to that to make sure that there was
nothing connected. He was killed because he was the patriarch
and would figure out who did it and potentially seek vengeance.
He was an original target. Angela initially suggested snitching on
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Chris's senior and marijuana's growing operation so that Hannah May
would not have the support in the custody battle, but
that got voted down. He was targeted because he was
Hannah May's father and the patriarch of the family. None
of the victims had drugs in their system, except for
Gary Roden, who occasionally did cocaine from time to time.
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This does not make him a bad person or make
him somebody who was deserving of being brutally murdered. Gary
was from Kentucky and would sometimes come and stay with
Chris and work at Big Bear Lake. He was described
as goofy, and George said that he had gone and
hunted with Gary in Kentucky. Gary's only crime was simply
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being there that night, at the wrong place, at the
wrong time. He had nothing to do with the suspicions
that the Wagners had. Now we're going to get into Kenneth.
Kenneth was hard working and generous. He would get up
early and drive to his brother's Chris's house, to shower
and go work in Columbus. He would come home from
work often grab dinner and then head home for the evening.
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We heard from his daughter who said that he was
very supportive of them. You heard from Donald Stone who
said how generous Kenneth was and would give his family
and non family alike anything they needed.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
If he could. He was killed because he was a
strong guy.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
George said he considered Kenneth's stronger than him. He may
have seeked revenge in the wake of the murders and
that's why he was killed. Dana was a loving mother
and grandmother. You heard how she was going to watch
Brtley the following day because Chelsea had called Frankie and
asked if he could watch him at the last minute
due to an illness at his daycare. You heard from
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Angela's own mouth how good of a mother and grandmother
Dana was. She was always taking the kids shopping and
having little cookouts for them. She was a caregiver. She
worked long hours at the nursing home. They had not
moved in fully to their new home, but she kept
an orderly home. She unfortunately was just there that night.
They waited for her to get home, and then she
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says the prosecutor says, I don't know if that was
so she wouldn't come home mid homicide, or they had
made the decision that she was going to die. They
then start talking about Hannah May Row. Hannah May was
nineteen years old. She had just her nineteen and gave
birth to five day old Kylie.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And she was the mother to Sophia.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
She was going to school to become a nurse, and
she was in a relationship with Corey Holdron.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
We heard Corey testify how she sat with.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Him and helped him through withdrawals, and he very much
thought that that was a huge act of love. Hannah
May found out that she was pregnant with Charlie Gilly's baby,
and Corey met with Charlie and.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Asked if he could raise his daughter.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
A very upstanding man, in my opinion, Corey was with
Hannah May when Kylie was born. He ended up cutting
the cord and they named Kylie Kylie. Hannah May said
Sophia was her world, and she refused to sign custody
documents because of what had happened with Tabitha. Hanna May
wasn't as easily manipulated as Tabitha, who came from a
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broken home and didn't have a support system. Canna May
came from a home there was support and that was
her crime. Also, she wasn't manipulated by the Wagoners and
refused to sign the paperwork, and that is the reason
that she lost her life. They didn't think she did
anything to Sophia, but when she was with her, Hannah
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May brought people around that the Wagners did not think
she should. Little Chris Chris Junior was sixteen. He had
just gotten his driver's license and was happy and proud
of that. Nobody had anything bad to say about him,
except that he was the annoying little brother who tagged
along when Hannah May would visit Jake, so Hannah May
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wouldn't be alone with Jake. Heer Chris Senior and Dana's wishes.
They then go in to talking about how this whole
case stems from the Wagners losing control of certain women
in their lives and how they felt out of control
and needed to try to reel it back in, and
that is where everything kind of starts with this case,
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with the custody agreement and them worried about Sophia being
around the Rodan family and they felt that they needed
to do something. That is where everything kind of stems from.
They didn't really talk about Hannah Hazel Gilly and I
want to talk about her. She was twenty years old,
she was engaged to Frankie Rodin, she was a young
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mother to Ruger Lee Rodin, and she was just starting
her life out. I have come across so many photos
of Hannah Hazel, and she just has the brightest, cutest smile.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
She has a long blonde hair.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
She was going to do great things with her life,
and she unfortunately never got the chance because she was
attacked as she slept with her child right nearby. She
was a newer mother and getting ready to embark on
the rest of her life when her life was stolen
by four heinous people, the Wagner family. The rest of
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the closings are all really good. You can go watch
every bit of it. Like I said, it's probably about
four and a half five hours, maybe a little over five.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Hours of closings.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
But they ended things by basically saying that George testified
that Frankie Rodin was his best friend, but he had
also testified that they had kind of drifted apart.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
He didn't know Hannah Hazel Gilly's name.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
He didn't know the name of Frankie's youngest son, So
how is that your best friend? And they think that
he very much testified to all of this because if
Frankie is his best friend and Hannah May Rodin is
like his little sister, you technically would feel bad and
you can't convict him on those things. So that is
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the reason that they are saying that he said all
of this is just to get out of this conviction
for this eight person homicide. But yeah, it's fair to
say that you might have had a close relationship with
Frankie and Hannah May at one point, but things have
changed and things have drifted, and at the time of
the murders, you were not close with them.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
They said. George lied at the.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Border when he was questioned to fit the narrative and
to make sure that he went along with the family alibi.
He's basically doing everything he can to put distance in
between him and the Rodent family acted like he was
not involved in any way, shape or form, but the
evidence tells us different. And that is the summary of
the prosecution's closings. I do think they did a really
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good job. I think it started off a little rough
with the crime scene photos being shown, but overall, I
think they wrapped it up nicely. They had a lot
of good points, and at this point in time, if
I was a juror, I don't know what I would think,
because there's been so much back and forth, my own
thoughts and feelings on all of this, throughout all of
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this different testimony, I do feel a little a little
bad for George in a little bit of a way.
It's so hard for me to even explain. I know
he's a cold blooded killer, but I think he's a
product of his environment. Not that that's an excuse, but
I very much think that he thought that if he
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went along with all of this that his family might
finally love and accept him, and they actually turn their
backs on him, which is just not surprising considering who
we're talking about, Jake and Angela Wagner. But we are
now going to get into the defense's closings. So they
start off, of course, by thinking the jury for their
time and service sitting through forty plus days of trial,
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and then they get right into it. It is actually
pretty short and sweet overall from the defense, and I
do think they did a overall, really good job. They
started off by saying, George is the one on trial.
We're not here to defend Billy, Angelo or Jake. And
there were days that went by during testimony that you
did not even hear George's name mentioned, and that is significant.
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George Wagner wasn't even a suspect in this case. They
interviewed Billy, they interviewed Angela, and they interviewed Jake several times,
but they didn't even interview George until the Montana border.
He went on to say, there's so much evidence in
this case and so much to talk about. He suggested
to the jury that they make a list of what's
reliable evidence and what's not reliable. He said, on the
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reliable side, there is phone records, and that is really
important stuff. The phone records of the victims are important,
and he said he's referencing the last activity on the
victim cell phones. He goes through all of the scenes
and the last activity on their phones and says that
this is important because the time reflects the last time
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somebody was alive. We don't know the exact time they died,
but we do know the last time they were alive.
They talk about Jake giving a timeline that doesn't add
up to what these records say, and they kind of
reference back to George saying he went to bed at
twelve thirty and then saying he went to bed at
ten o'clock, and this is a huge discrepancy. He then
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goes on to talk about how the state has presented
that this has nothing to do with anything other than custody,
but he says during the investigation they realize that this
was a very complicated case. It took two and a
half years before they found a Facebook message from Hannah
May that basically said they'll have to kill me first.
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He says that it doesn't make sense for one family
to kill another whole family just for custody, and ask
if this could have been drug related reason and experience
teaches us this isn't about custody. Nobody would kill a
whole family over custody. If you think your child is
being sexually abused, that's a reason to kill. Maybe having
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a jealous boyfriend. It very much happens, drug deals, it happens,
But people don't kill over custody, which I personally have
to disagree with because Dan Marcel, we have so many
other cases where this has been a thing for sure,
but I digress.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
They then talk.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
About how Angela was convinced that she thought Sophie was
being sexually abused, so she had asked Sophie about it,
and Sophie at the time is under the age of two,
and Angela believes what Sophie says. And then Angela then
goes to Billy and tells him something is going on.
We have to do something. There is a lot of
back and forth conversation about it, and Billy is the
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one that basically decides that they have to kill the
whole rowdin Family. He then goes Toke Jake says there's
no way I'm doing this, ends up walking out of
the room, and then he says from there that Jake
went and confronted Hannah May about the abuse allegations. Hannah
brushes it off, says we'll take care of it, and
Jake gets very upset and then goes to Billy and
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says that I am in Jake and Billy planned this
eight person massacre on the road in Family, Angela got involve,
but then he asked, do you hear George's name specifically
being mentioned? Do you hear them talking about having a
family meeting to discuss the killing of the Rodent family,
and then he says, when someone testifies, you have to
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consider their demeanor. Jake was laughing, smiling, and smirking as
he's talking about committing these murders. Angela is also no better.
She says she loved Hannah May like a daughter, and
they would often sit at the top of the stairs
and talk in the middle of the night. Yet she
plans to kill her own daughter. You don't think that
she would throw George under the bus if she's plotting
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to kill her own daughter. She sees them walk out
the door.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
She knows what.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
They're gonna do. Does she call nine one one No?
Does she call Hannah May and say run for your life? No?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Does she call Dana? Does she call Chris Senior?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
No?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
She doesn't call anybody. She testified that she simply went
to sleep. She believed that a two year old is
being abused. If that was the case, you would take
her to the emergency room or a doctor. You would
talk to her mother or her grandmother. She didn't do
any of that. Jake is a mama's boy. There liars
con artists and thieves. Angela is an arsonist, and I
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do think that everything he's saying here is a actual,
one hundred percent true. Angela and Jake are all of
these things. She gets dogs from the pound and dyes
their hair. She's manipulative. You can't believe a word that
comes out of their mouths as reliable evidence. They then
go on and rehash a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Of other things.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
He then says that George isn't perfect, but he's not Jake.
He spent as much time away from home as he could,
but you do have to consider his upbringing. Jake is
the one that went into the crime scenes one, two,
three four. He said that Jake and Angela had motive
to do this. Billy His was maybe drug related or
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maybe he was on board with the abuse idea. But
George didn't get along with his family. He got into
fists and verbal altercations with his dad. He couldn't stand
how Jake was in his personality. He spent a lot
of time away from home as much as he could.
Of course, they did live and work together, but they
didn't like each other.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
So there's no way that he was involved in this.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
They have nothing to prove that George was around at
the time of the murderers, physically there or involved. They
have nothing on George, only the word of Jake and Angela,
and Angela threw her own mother into the case, so
of course she would throw her own son in as well.
They then talk about George and Frankie's relationship and how
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as they got older and had kids, they essentially drifted apart.
And they talked about George's testimony about being homeschooled and
just wanting to be alone to hunt and fish and
do his own thing. They said he broke every rule
that his dad had taught him, and he did it
for himself and his son. Jake and Angela destroyed George
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and Bovine's life. Bovine was all that George had, and
when he and Tabby decided to end their marriage, he
got a lawyer and offered to help Tabitha get an attorney.
Then later when beth Ann came into the picture, George
didn't approve. Why would anyone come into this family with
this cloud of suspicion about eight murders over them. Then
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when they ended up coming back to Ohio, and Angelus
said that Sophie accused beth of abuse. George, of course
freaks out because he had the same experience previously with
Tabitha's family and he didn't want to go through this again.
He just wants her out of the house. He doesn't
want to kill beth Ann, just like he didn't want
to kill Tabby. He doesn't want to kill her. He
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doesn't want to kill her family. He just wants them
out to protect his son. So why would he want
Hannah may rodin the gal that he considered his little
sister dead. Why would he want to kill Frankie? It
makes no sense. Look at the evidence from George's point
of view, Walk a mile in a man's shoes before
you judge him. Then they talk about the GoFundMe, how
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Angela ended up setting it up, and then Jake edited
it and says, can you imagine that they kill these
people and have the audacity to to set up a GoFundMe.
Jake testified that he was the one to shoot them
all one at a time, clear to their heads. He
said he shot at Chris Senior. Angela was asked about
the truck at Peterson Road and she said it was
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a green Dodge, but it was not a Green Dodge.
When Jake said he was at Frankie's house with his
zombie Apocalyse knife. He got in and out of the
back door. Billy was right behind him. But guess what,
he didn't see George there. They thought the murders took
place between three am and seven forty nine am, when
the nine to one one call was placed, and that
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is significant in the timeline. George got nothing for his
testimony during this trial, but Jake and Angela did. They
talk about Angela hacking into different social medias, how she
kept a notebook with passwords.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
She hacked into.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Everyone's Facebook account, and she was looking up topics after
the murder. She couldn't keep her hand out of it.
She told people that the family was being framed. You'll
get dury instructions from the judge that the law required
you to use Jake and Angela's testimony with grave suspicion.
After viewing it with grave suspicion, there's no proof beyond
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a reasonable doubt that George was even there that night.
Look at his testimony compared to Jake and Angela's. His
mother wouldn't even look at him, would not even look
at him. Jake was smiling and smirking and laughing when
talking about the murders. And you're going to believe those
people proof beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't know what
you'll believe if you believe George was there. Don't forget
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Jake said he also had no intent to kill. He
went along at the last second. He was there to
protect Jake from crazy Billy. Jake is jealous, and to
commit these crimes, you have to be deeply disturbed. There's
no testimony he shot anyone, or that George was even there.
Look at the timeline and the phone records. The records
don't show when somebody was killed, but they show when
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someone was last alive. There is a large amount of
time unaccounted for. Compare George's demeanor to Jake's. Take time
to understand the evidence and look at it from George's
point of view. As soon as I sit down, there
will be something I wish I said. But you understand
our position. Return a verdict of not guilty on all charges.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
You took an.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Oath, and follow that oath and hold the state to
their burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Jake is
gone for the rest of his life. Angela, Well, they
made that deal. George is different from Jake, a different
from Angela, and that is it. That is the last
of the defense's closings. I do think that they did
a really good job here. The evidence in this case,
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there is so much. It's really so back and forth.
I personally do think that George was involved, But I
think that the defense did a really good job in
the closings trying to put a little bit of reasonable
doubt out there where you would really have to sit
and go through the evidence. If I was a juror
in this case, I feel like it would take me
forever to sit and delve through all of this evidence.
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But I truly do think that George was involved, and
I think the only reason he was involved is because
he so desperately wanted his family's approval, and I think
that this was his way where he kind of thought
that if he involved himself and sided with them, that
he might get it, and just ended up going along
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with it, and they ended up, of course, turning their
backs on him because they are truly truly horrible people,
and eight people had to lose their lives in all
of this. They have destroyed lives of children and their
grandchildren for years and years and years to come, which
is the biggest tragedy of them all. Last thing we're
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going to get into is the rebuttal, which was done
by the prosecution, and it was done by Prosecutor Wilson,
and he did a really really good job. He did
poke some holes in some of what the defense said.
So there is a lot of back and forth, but
this is how the jury ends their time by hearing
Prosecutor Wilson go through everything. So we're going to summarize
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that right now, and then we're going to get into
the verdict. So he kind of starts off getting right
into it and talks about how in the closings, the
defense says, you cannot believe Jake, my client, George Wagner
the fourth did not do this, and then kind of
reiterated in Jake's testimony that Jake very much talked about
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how George went there, but he didn't go there with
intent to kill.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
He didn't kill anybody.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
But the defense is saying, you can't believe anything that
Jake Wagner says, so essentially, you can't have it both ways.
He then goes on to say there has been no
direct testimony that he pulled the trigger in any of
the murders, but you better believe he's up to his
eyeballs with his family. He then goes into all the
murders and discusses all of the shots fired. He said,
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Jake wants his brother to be found not guilty. Quote
under law, George didn't have to pull the trigger once
to be guilty of these murders. Complacency is when two
or more people have a criminal goal. One does one
part and the other does the other. You can't move
into a crime scene to move a body from one
room to another.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
You're on the hook.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
You can't accompany one on a reconnaissance mission knowing the
reason ultimately is to kill the people inside. You can't
stand there as muscle for someone else to come in
and kill somebody. You can't stand guard for your co
defendant so they can go down the hall and kill
people inside. You can't drive an extra vehicle as an
escape option if things go south. You're going to get
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these jury instructions. In each count of the twenty two indictments,
you'll see that he is charged as a principal offender.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Counts one through eight are overwhelming.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
It's a number of charges we are claiming he is
aiding an a betting in and then he goes through
all of these. He said, it can get confusing. He
didn't pull the trigger. But if you go to the
end of the instructions, one of the last things the
judge will instruct you on is complicity, and that is
part of every count of his indictment. I suggest someone,
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if not all of you, take the complicity out of
the stat read complicity along with each count doesn't apply
to this count. It's important because each count is written
as George being the principal offender. If he aided and abetted,
he's guilty of that count. Anything the principal offender did
is also on George. He then puts up a photo
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of the Wagner family which was taken after the murders.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Of course they are smiling.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
You know, happy, go lucky, and he said, that is
very much our theory on this case. They stole Vine
and they wiped out an entire family to get Sophia.
They justify the killings over protecting Sophie from being abused.
They never called Children's services took her to see a
doctor because it wasn't true. They made terrible allegations against
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this family. But the reason they didn't do it in public,
well it wasn't true. It's the same reason they did
it against Tabi and Beth. It's their playbook as part
of a common plan or scheme. You can use that
to show intent or motive. The common plan or scheme
they use to get sole custody of the kids is
they fabricate claims of abuse to get women out of
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their lives. It worked with Tabby and Beth. It didn't
work with Hannah Ma. She had support, literal mic drop
love it. She was strong, she had a family. It
wasn't happening with Sophie. And they knew this. They were
scared of the Rodents. And then he recalls Billy's first
interview in September of twenty sixteen, when he tells investigators, quote,
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if you're going to fight Chris, you better put him
down because he's coming back at you. End quote. He
then said the Wagners needed to control how the kids
would be raised. That's a group trade they all subscribed to.
And he really went off and he did not miss
a beat. It was amazing. It was fantastic. I wanted
to cheer after I heard it all.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
It was so good, and.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
There was a lot more, but that was the main
stuff that I wanted to really put in this episode,
because this is what the jury hears right before they
go back to deliberations, and in my opinion, hearing this
kind of seeing it all come together, and yeah, they
did a fantastic job on the rebuttal. And if you
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were kind of on the fence before this rebuttal really
could have swayed you over to the other side, the
side of George Wagner, the forest guilt. And with that,
the jury went back and started their deliberation. After more
than two and a half months of testimony, hearing from
everybody connected to this crazy web of crazy Wagnermania, the
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jury took less than eight hours to come to their verdict,
and that verdict was guilty on all charges, all twenty
two counts, including eight of murder. So I'm going to
read all of his charges. So eight counts of aggravated murder,
four counts of aggravated burglary, three counts of tampering with evidence,
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one count of conspiracy, one count of unlawful possession of
a dangerous ordinance, one count of forgery, one count of
unauthorized use of a computer or telecommunications, one count of
interception of wire, oral or electronic communications, one count of
obstructing justice, and one count of engaging in a pattern
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of corrupt activity. The week before the verdict was announced,
though the judge did agree to remove the death penalty
off of the table in George's case. When the verdict
was read, George just kind of remained stoic.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
He didn't react. There was no emotion. Really.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I think he knew that he was toast and honestly,
it's ultimate betrayal from his family because they involved him
in the Shenanigans and then they took technically the easy
way out, the plea deal, and then testified against him.
Like I have no George Wagner apologist, but if I
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was him, I would be so pessed at Angela and
Jake Billy. I don't really have any words about Billy.
He doesn't get along with his dad anyway. But Angela
and Jake were the driving force behind this entire thing.
You cannot convince me otherwise. Of course, after the verdict
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was read, the different members of the Rodent family were
emotional crying, hugging each other. They had a really long
six year journey in all of this to get some
justice for their eight family members who were so viciously taken.
Think about losing one family member in a tragic way
and then multiply that by eight. I just cannot even
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fathom how much pain this poor family has had to
go through, and Hannah Hazel Gilly's family as well. The
Ohio Governor Mike DeWine held a press conference following the
verdict and is quoted as saying, from the day of
the crime, I was convinced we were going to solve
the cases. I believe it's one of the most complicated
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cases in BCI history, and it's a testament to have
investigators stuck with it. And I have to agree they
did everything that they could to.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Figure all of this out.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Planet They did the wiretaps, they did the investigation, they
trailed the Wagners, they followed the Wagners, and in the
end they got the Wagners. Thank you Lord for BCI
and their hard work in this case, because if not,
they easily could have gotten away with this and they
would be living their best life right now in Alaska.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Doing God knows what, terrorizing, God knows who.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I am so glad that they are behind bars and
will not harm anybody else for a really really long time.
Angela Wagner will be out of prison one day, and
it's going to be a while, but she will be
out and about one day, and that is a really,
really scary thought. So I do want to go through
a little bit of sentencing. We're going to talk about
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George Wagner the fourth sentencing. We're going to talk a
little bit about some victim impact statements that were given
at Jake sentencing and Jake sentencing as a whole, Angela
sentencing and the upcoming of it all with Billy Wagner
because he is supposed to go to trial this year
and it is going to be a long probably two
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and a half months for his trial, So buckle up, guys. So,
George Wagner the Fourth was sentenced to eight consecutive life
terms without the possibility of parole. And this is going
to piss you all off. I already know because I
was not pleased. We're going to get into Jake's sentence
in a minute. But the judge said that he wanted
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to distinguish Jake's sentence from his brothers, since Jake cooperated
with authorities while George chose to go to trial. Now,
Jake Wagner in cold blood shot eight people, including a child,
Chris Roden Junior. And when I say his sentence, I'm
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actually going to play it for you.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
When the judge sentenced him. There's a video that goes
along with it.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
You really have to see Jake's face because he's just
astonished at his sentence.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
As am I, as am I.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I am going to play the video now of the
judge sentencing Jake Wagner, and then we're going to talk
about it. And I'm also going to play a victim
impact statement from Hannah Hazel Gilly's mother, because it was
powerful and it really sticks out to me as a
victim impact statement. And the Roden family lost a lot,
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but Hannah Hazel Gilly's family also lost a lot. They
lost a daughter, sister, friend, cousin. Hannah was just starting
her life, she was a mom, she was a fiance,
she was planning her life, and she was attacked while
she slept by the horrific Wagners. And it is so frustrating,
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it's so sad. All of these people were so full
of life and not doing anything wrong. They were literally, unfortunately,
just people that the Wagners felt were in their way. Okay,
I'm going to go ahead and play the Jake Wagner
sentencing now, and then we're going to talk about it,
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and I'm going to complain about it, So just be prepared.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
They're no less serious factors with regard to whether you're
likely to hear A the fender or not. I'm not
going to have a Crystal Paul to project where you
are for a lot of person.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Seven, so I'll just find it there. Recipis and factors
fallace out.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
It's unpredictable, but I did Alssten thought about.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
With regards to.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
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aggravated murder like Chris Got three aggravated burder like in
Christ Out four aggravated burgher like christ five aggrebated murder
like Riven outsa aggravated burger like prism Out seven aggravision
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burger like Prison count eighty.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Aggravated murder like in Christon. Cap nine conspiracy to comment
aggravated burner maximum eleven years out. Part of kredit ten eleven, twelve,
thirteen aggregated burgery max in terms of eleven years of
rhythm out fourteen, possession of dangerous orgins three years the
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prison house, fifteen and seventeen Cambrian evidents three prison that's
sixteen just himpory evidence. Three years of Britton eighteen Burgess
was no sets on eighteen count nineteen Murdos was no
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sets on nineteen down twenty level interception eighteen months to
prison now twenty one. I've struggling justice, five months to
prison now twenty two. Engaging are federate proactivity to back
eleven years of prison then count twenty three on a
sexual conduct with a minor four degree blue the supporting
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four years.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Of age difference in that case eighteen months in prison.
The backsimum sess.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
With regard to fire ours specifications towards duty balance, every
radio case composed mandatory six years went to first by
our respect they from count one six years, but by
our specification about about two you're a two and forty
four days of jail. By credit you required to regisure
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as a violent offender. You also have sex offender reration
requirement Leader free er fire apply on any release from
prison with the period of twenty five years rest during
at least January six months with the share in the
county where you reside. If you change your address, take
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it to apply it and you have to mean for
registration at time you gained a variable the violentfender database
is you grew earlier ten year registration can't be extended.
And then reply with the likes of vendor registration for
the file offender registration file in terms of release or
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over separate felony.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
The Chief of Justice appoints retired to sign judges to
work on cases for there's aduct clicks or problems. I
think that very seriously.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
It's a privilege after retirement would be granted the opportunity
to come back and continue to help my column.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
That's why I want to get out the.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Better he is the problem maybe a skill of why
to resolve the the the problem.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
That's how I got here. I was talking about this
with your dad once ago.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
I got two problems is when I walked into this
case but explained the two problems. First problem was a
recommendation on your case that was the same as it
was on your product Life about Parle, which is what
you've got right.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
How did he get to it? He went to trial,
he had ten weeks of trial, and yet thousands of.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Dollars and dozens of witnesses and emotional energy and staff,
energy people, energy resources, energy to get them to his conviction.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Yet the recommendation here is the same as it should be.
No credit for all.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
The cooperation game.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
As mister Vision said, you don't.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Have the corroboration of the coper witness, you may not
have any case. So I have resolved at first problem
is how is it that alsots to treat.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
You this because he killed a people? Yeah, he killed
a people in cold blood hollow.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
I resolved a good deal. The new mom got thirty years.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Is a really long time, No longer enough.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
It's a really good deal, is it for the level
of the conduct, especially that she could have stopped the
whole thing getting its tracks before it ever happened. I
don't let her off to the hook because you didn't
go to the scene. I quit are equally responsible because
the eyes of the law, quint are equally responsible.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
So my second problem is how do I.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Resolve what looks to me like some sort of gender vibance.
Here's how I resolve. I give you the opportunity of
parole after twenty years on your created Senate. You do
six on the gun inspect, you do sticks on the
gun inspect, you do life on all the other counts,
everything concurring with the opportunity of parole in twenty years.
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So thirty two years out, you give your chance because
you go out, because you get something to acknowledge the
responsibility for the crime.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
That's not a feel. That's as close as I didn't come.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
The solving the problem is handed to be by these
ancient play periods.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
If everybody wants to the last judge is sensitive deal.
It should have said my little last jest.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Everybody knew jud Gearys was gone right after the last try.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Okay, we don't need to hear any more of that shenanigans.
But life in prison with the possibility of parole in
thirty two years. Angela is out in thirty years. Rita
newcom pled guilty and is out on probation. George Wagner,
a person who, even though he was complicit, even though
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he was there, did not physically kill anybody, is in
prison for life without the possibility of parole. I like
to say, I think our justice system works. I think
every one of them, besides Rita Newcom should be behind
bars for the rest of their lives. My personal opinion,
they do not need to see the light of day ever, ever,
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ever again. And I don't know how you can sit
through the victim impact statements, especially the one that Hannah
Hazel Gilly's mom gave, and turn around and say I'm
going to sentence you to life in prison with the
eligibility of parole after thirty two years. Jake's face, Jake
was just shocked as I was. I mean, holy moly,
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you killed eight people in cold blood while they slept,
and you have the possibility to get out of prison.
Jake is not going to be that old when he
could potentially get out of prison.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Holy moly.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
All right, we are now going to hear from Andrea Shoemaker,
who is the mother of Hannah Hazel Gilly. She does
not care, and she spoke her truth, and she's a
true warrier. She's a badass, and I hope that she
is doing okay present day because I can't even imagine
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her pain. She's wearing a shirt with Hannah and Frankie's
picture on it. It makes me just want to sob
She's emotional and she is impact full, and she is
speaking to the wagoner, she's speaking to Jake. She lets
it all go. And I'm gonna play that for you now.
It's about four minutes the clip I'm gonna play, So
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get ready.
Speaker 6 (42:14):
You playing carry out and burd my grand son who
is six muscles between his mom and dad ran Keith
and has Billy let alone, your green daughter's mother. How
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greedy help of the grandmother are you? How agree you
killed your.
Speaker 7 (42:43):
Grandmother's, your green daughters and mother.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
You're evil? You're evil. You are the spawn the savings,
and your saving.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Is Billy Wacker.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
You knew? Are me evil? As mother's health?
Speaker 7 (43:02):
I man carry out to take your life of thoe
of them months?
Speaker 8 (43:07):
My daughter was with twenty and you want thirties years
your life behind all career.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
It was moy You know.
Speaker 7 (43:19):
She didn't be the next fine alcohol six terms of
her life?
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Was her kidded five months and Hanna, I know them.
The love of your lives will.
Speaker 6 (43:28):
A quager, the love of for life, your daughter's mother
the sheep four days, Clay further go four days?
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Do you know what kind of answers?
Speaker 8 (43:44):
I don't queen's I have to answer further.
Speaker 7 (43:47):
Even bad people one yes, fathing your face is on
the news, so guess what I had to explain.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
More because they're not kids, the kids that they're not
six months old, they're not four, ten, ten years.
Speaker 9 (44:04):
He's been one out the die, the teacher you have fished,
oh man things he has to depends on uncles thousands
because a huge Jake greedy.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Jake wager you.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
I want you to self. I want you not hold
off BC.
Speaker 7 (44:26):
I want your father to live. He always to die
as well as your dad. I want you to die
so your mom builds a heartache. What's like to carry
the child that never goes to play.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
I don't hate you.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
You hrunt my life.
Speaker 8 (44:44):
You purlent innocent childrens loves.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
I hope your job. I'm praying day y'all. I'll hurry
your grandchildren and your children.
Speaker 7 (44:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
I don't want anything to do with you, and I.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Hope they never too. I hope your daughter hates you
with a costume and as much heart as I hate
chick quarter.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
You stood my hate my.
Speaker 9 (45:15):
Mother five times, been ahead long times. Man water suddenly
between them and here.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
May she's holding her little pearl, and you've shot birth.
How cold you did yours? I'll say, I'll say it again.
Songs us take you and your brother you equlness created
them and miss Frida on.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
The field shut a sorry from give.
Speaker 8 (45:47):
I know you're shamed to have suns of dollars and
grandsons that be wolf because you was the first to
fill the guilt and said you was sorry and it
was your Christian duty to tell the truth.
Speaker 7 (46:01):
So I have not braying any works.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
It works for my heartbreaks freaking.
Speaker 8 (46:05):
Had such an eight evil you sponse.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yes, girl, go off?
Speaker 1 (46:20):
She really, I mean it's emotional even watching that because
she is so passionate. She is shaking, like physically shaking
with her just trauma and rage and sadness and heartbreak,
it all just it's so powerful and so wild that
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this whole thing happened, and it happened for no other
reason other than selfishness. They stole eight lives all because
they were selfish and greedy. And Angela is a whack
job and she had total control over both of her
sons and Billy he is no better.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
He is, as Hannah's mom.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Said, Satan And then the children are spawn of Satan's
and she didn't have any bad words to say for
Rita other than she felt sorry for her, which I
think is very telling.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Rita.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Honestly, I can't imagine the pain that she feels with
all of this, and her daughter involved her in all
of it, which is really shitty.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
This one really bothers me. It'll probably bother me for
the rest of time. I am definitely going to keep
you guys updated on Billy's trial. Any upcoming news that
happens with Billy Wagner, I will be sure to bring
it in a little right now in True Crime Update.
But that is Summer series twenty twenty five. The Rodin
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family murders most important. Let's remember our victims. Christopher Roden Senior,
Christopher Roden Junior, Dana Roden, Frankie Rodin, Hannah May Roden,
Hannah Hazel, Gilly, Gary Roden, Kenneth Roden. Those are the
names that matter, the children that are left, the surviving
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victims in this case, the families, everybody that has been
affected by this. On the Rodin family side, they wait
for justice as they wait for Billy Wagner to go
to trial. I will continue to keep you guys updated.
Like I said, and I thank you so very much
for tuning into Summer Series twenty twenty five. It took
fourteen episodes to get through this convoluted, crazy story and
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a two and a half month trial, but we did it.
I will see you guys next summer for a brand
new summer series. Taking suggestions if you want to recommend anything.
But thank you guys so much for listening to this
story the Pie County Massacre. Learning a little bit more
about the Rodin family because they are way more than
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how their lives were taken. Hannah Hazel Gilly was more
than what happened in the last few seconds of her life.
She was a mom, She was a daughter. She was
only twenty years old. Chris Rodin Junior was a sweet
teenage boy, very loving, very kind, always helping people out
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at school.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
He was a gem.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
Hannah May Rodin a fantastic mother, holding her four day
old baby, baby Kylie when she was killed. Frankie Rodin
a dad, a fiance getting ready to start his life,
and also somebody that George Wagner claimed was one of
his best friends. Dana Rodin, she worked as a nurse's aide.
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She was a loving mom and grandmother and did everything
she could to protect her family. Chris Rodin Senior, the
main guy of the family, also a great guy, a grandfather,
a hard worker, a good friend. According to Billy that
was his best friend. Kenneth Roden, also a very hard worker,
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a loving dad, caring and a all around nice person.
And Gary Rodin, who was the cousin of Chris Rodin Senior.
Again good guy, wrong place, wrong time. Unfortunately he stayed
a lot of the time with Chris Senior, and unfortunately
that night his life ended because he was there. Essentially,
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all people that need to be remembered for all the
good that they did. Every human makes mistakes, every human
has faults in life, but they did nothing to deserve
what happened to them. I hope their families have a
little bit of peace, and I hope the rest of
the peace will come when Billy is locked up, hopefully
for the rest of time, as he should be.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
And I hope that Jake Wagner.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Never ever ever gets paroled, and I hope that every
family member is up there during the parole hearing to
speak their piece and speak their truth, because that evil
human never deserves to see the light of day again,
especially after thirty two years. All Right, thank you guys
so much again for listening. I will see you next
summer for Summer Series twenty twenty six. Have a great
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week and I will see you Thursday for a brand
new Unsolved case.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Bye.
Welcome to Summer Series twenty twenty five The Rodin Family Murders,
also known as the Pike County Masker. We're going to
be discussing the murders of Dana Roden, Christopher Roden Senior,
Kenneth Roden, Gary Roden, Frankie Rodin, Hannah Hazel Gilly, Hannah Rodin,
and Christopher Roden Junior. Let's go ahead and dive right
(00:22):
into Summer Series twenty twenty five. All right, guys, welcome
to Part fourteen of Summer Series twenty twenty five Pike
County Masker.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We are getting to the end.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
We are going to talk about the closings today and
I'm going to try to fit everything into this episode
that I can. I'm hoping this will be the last episode.
I might have one more after this, though, but we
are very very close. So in Closings, the prosecution starts
off with their closings and it's about five hours long.
(00:55):
I'm not going to go into all of that. We've
already kind of talked about all of the different evidence.
But one thing I do want to do is take
a little time and go over the part of the
closings that really remembers the victims and who the victims were.
We already know all of the evidence. We know all
the evidence against George, we know all the evidence against
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the Wagoners. But I want to take a minute to
talk about each of the victims and their impact and
how they were spoken about during closings. Now, I will say,
for whatever reason, during closings, initially there was crime scene
photos being shown. And I don't know if this was
intentional or completely accidental, but there was crime scene photos
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and it honestly was not the move in my opinion,
if it was intentional, if it was for like that
shock value, I don't think it was the best thing
to be looking at while you're rehashing everything that has
just transpired in the last forty three days. But they
eventually did take those photos down. But we're going to
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get into some of the closings now and talk a
little bit about each of the victims and honor them
the best way that we can, which is to remember
them in a positive way and not the horrible, heinous
way that their lives were stolen from them. So they
start off the closings basically by saying that these murders
were senseless, and they basically came out of suspicion and
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that is the reason that they transpired. They say that
all of the victims were unarmed and unsuspecting, and then
they talk about Frankie. He was twenty. He loved his children,
he liked derby car racing and his fiance. He had
just started a new job and it was on the
brink of beginning the rest of his life. He loved
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hunting and chicken fighting. He was not a drinker or
involved in the marijuana business. Frankie's crime for which he
got the death penalty was kissing his.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Niece on the lips.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
George said, Frankie was the type of man you'd have
to go through to get to his family, and that's
exactly what happened. Then they move on to Chris Sor
and Chris Senior, as we know, was a family man.
He worked hard and provided for his family. You hear
about his Fourth of July fireworks, and we know that
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he was involved in the marijuana business, but that has
nothing to do with this case. In the beginning, the
investigation turned to that to make sure that there was
nothing connected. He was killed because he was the patriarch
and would figure out who did it and potentially seek vengeance.
He was an original target. Angela initially suggested snitching on
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Chris's senior and marijuana's growing operation so that Hannah May
would not have the support in the custody battle, but
that got voted down. He was targeted because he was
Hannah May's father and the patriarch of the family. None
of the victims had drugs in their system, except for
Gary Roden, who occasionally did cocaine from time to time.
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This does not make him a bad person or make
him somebody who was deserving of being brutally murdered. Gary
was from Kentucky and would sometimes come and stay with
Chris and work at Big Bear Lake. He was described
as goofy, and George said that he had gone and
hunted with Gary in Kentucky. Gary's only crime was simply
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being there that night, at the wrong place, at the
wrong time. He had nothing to do with the suspicions
that the Wagners had. Now we're going to get into Kenneth.
Kenneth was hard working and generous. He would get up
early and drive to his brother's Chris's house, to shower
and go work in Columbus. He would come home from
work often grab dinner and then head home for the evening.
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We heard from his daughter who said that he was
very supportive of them. You heard from Donald Stone who
said how generous Kenneth was and would give his family
and non family alike anything they needed.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
If he could. He was killed because he was a
strong guy.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
George said he considered Kenneth's stronger than him. He may
have seeked revenge in the wake of the murders and
that's why he was killed. Dana was a loving mother
and grandmother. You heard how she was going to watch
Brtley the following day because Chelsea had called Frankie and
asked if he could watch him at the last minute
due to an illness at his daycare. You heard from
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Angela's own mouth how good of a mother and grandmother
Dana was. She was always taking the kids shopping and
having little cookouts for them. She was a caregiver. She
worked long hours at the nursing home. They had not
moved in fully to their new home, but she kept
an orderly home. She unfortunately was just there that night.
They waited for her to get home, and then she
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says the prosecutor says, I don't know if that was
so she wouldn't come home mid homicide, or they had
made the decision that she was going to die. They
then start talking about Hannah May Row. Hannah May was
nineteen years old. She had just her nineteen and gave
birth to five day old Kylie.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And she was the mother to Sophia.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
She was going to school to become a nurse, and
she was in a relationship with Corey Holdron.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
We heard Corey testify how she sat with.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Him and helped him through withdrawals, and he very much
thought that that was a huge act of love. Hannah
May found out that she was pregnant with Charlie Gilly's baby,
and Corey met with Charlie and.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Asked if he could raise his daughter.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
A very upstanding man, in my opinion, Corey was with
Hannah May when Kylie was born. He ended up cutting
the cord and they named Kylie Kylie. Hannah May said
Sophia was her world, and she refused to sign custody
documents because of what had happened with Tabitha. Hanna May
wasn't as easily manipulated as Tabitha, who came from a
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broken home and didn't have a support system. Canna May
came from a home there was support and that was
her crime. Also, she wasn't manipulated by the Wagoners and
refused to sign the paperwork, and that is the reason
that she lost her life. They didn't think she did
anything to Sophia, but when she was with her, Hannah
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May brought people around that the Wagners did not think
she should. Little Chris Chris Junior was sixteen. He had
just gotten his driver's license and was happy and proud
of that. Nobody had anything bad to say about him,
except that he was the annoying little brother who tagged
along when Hannah May would visit Jake, so Hannah May
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wouldn't be alone with Jake. Heer Chris Senior and Dana's wishes.
They then go in to talking about how this whole
case stems from the Wagners losing control of certain women
in their lives and how they felt out of control
and needed to try to reel it back in, and
that is where everything kind of starts with this case,
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with the custody agreement and them worried about Sophia being
around the Rodan family and they felt that they needed
to do something. That is where everything kind of stems from.
They didn't really talk about Hannah Hazel Gilly and I
want to talk about her. She was twenty years old,
she was engaged to Frankie Rodin, she was a young
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mother to Ruger Lee Rodin, and she was just starting
her life out. I have come across so many photos
of Hannah Hazel, and she just has the brightest, cutest smile.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
She has a long blonde hair.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
She was going to do great things with her life,
and she unfortunately never got the chance because she was
attacked as she slept with her child right nearby. She
was a newer mother and getting ready to embark on
the rest of her life when her life was stolen
by four heinous people, the Wagner family. The rest of
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the closings are all really good. You can go watch
every bit of it. Like I said, it's probably about
four and a half five hours, maybe a little over five.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Hours of closings.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
But they ended things by basically saying that George testified
that Frankie Rodin was his best friend, but he had
also testified that they had kind of drifted apart.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
He didn't know Hannah Hazel Gilly's name.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
He didn't know the name of Frankie's youngest son, So
how is that your best friend? And they think that
he very much testified to all of this because if
Frankie is his best friend and Hannah May Rodin is
like his little sister, you technically would feel bad and
you can't convict him on those things. So that is
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the reason that they are saying that he said all
of this is just to get out of this conviction
for this eight person homicide. But yeah, it's fair to
say that you might have had a close relationship with
Frankie and Hannah May at one point, but things have
changed and things have drifted, and at the time of
the murders, you were not close with them.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
They said. George lied at the.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Border when he was questioned to fit the narrative and
to make sure that he went along with the family alibi.
He's basically doing everything he can to put distance in
between him and the Rodent family acted like he was
not involved in any way, shape or form, but the
evidence tells us different. And that is the summary of
the prosecution's closings. I do think they did a really
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good job. I think it started off a little rough
with the crime scene photos being shown, but overall, I
think they wrapped it up nicely. They had a lot
of good points, and at this point in time, if
I was a juror, I don't know what I would think,
because there's been so much back and forth, my own
thoughts and feelings on all of this, throughout all of
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this different testimony, I do feel a little a little
bad for George in a little bit of a way.
It's so hard for me to even explain. I know
he's a cold blooded killer, but I think he's a
product of his environment. Not that that's an excuse, but
I very much think that he thought that if he
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went along with all of this that his family might
finally love and accept him, and they actually turn their
backs on him, which is just not surprising considering who
we're talking about, Jake and Angela Wagner. But we are
now going to get into the defense's closings. So they
start off, of course, by thinking the jury for their
time and service sitting through forty plus days of trial,
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and then they get right into it. It is actually
pretty short and sweet overall from the defense, and I
do think they did a overall, really good job. They
started off by saying, George is the one on trial.
We're not here to defend Billy, Angelo or Jake. And
there were days that went by during testimony that you
did not even hear George's name mentioned, and that is significant.
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George Wagner wasn't even a suspect in this case. They
interviewed Billy, they interviewed Angela, and they interviewed Jake several times,
but they didn't even interview George until the Montana border.
He went on to say, there's so much evidence in
this case and so much to talk about. He suggested
to the jury that they make a list of what's
reliable evidence and what's not reliable. He said, on the
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reliable side, there is phone records, and that is really
important stuff. The phone records of the victims are important,
and he said he's referencing the last activity on the
victim cell phones. He goes through all of the scenes
and the last activity on their phones and says that
this is important because the time reflects the last time
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somebody was alive. We don't know the exact time they died,
but we do know the last time they were alive.
They talk about Jake giving a timeline that doesn't add
up to what these records say, and they kind of
reference back to George saying he went to bed at
twelve thirty and then saying he went to bed at
ten o'clock, and this is a huge discrepancy. He then
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goes on to talk about how the state has presented
that this has nothing to do with anything other than custody,
but he says during the investigation they realize that this
was a very complicated case. It took two and a
half years before they found a Facebook message from Hannah
May that basically said they'll have to kill me first.
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He says that it doesn't make sense for one family
to kill another whole family just for custody, and ask
if this could have been drug related reason and experience
teaches us this isn't about custody. Nobody would kill a
whole family over custody. If you think your child is
being sexually abused, that's a reason to kill. Maybe having
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a jealous boyfriend. It very much happens, drug deals, it happens,
But people don't kill over custody, which I personally have
to disagree with because Dan Marcel, we have so many
other cases where this has been a thing for sure,
but I digress.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
They then talk.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
About how Angela was convinced that she thought Sophie was
being sexually abused, so she had asked Sophie about it,
and Sophie at the time is under the age of two,
and Angela believes what Sophie says. And then Angela then
goes to Billy and tells him something is going on.
We have to do something. There is a lot of
back and forth conversation about it, and Billy is the
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one that basically decides that they have to kill the
whole rowdin Family. He then goes Toke Jake says there's
no way I'm doing this, ends up walking out of
the room, and then he says from there that Jake
went and confronted Hannah May about the abuse allegations. Hannah
brushes it off, says we'll take care of it, and
Jake gets very upset and then goes to Billy and
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says that I am in Jake and Billy planned this
eight person massacre on the road in Family, Angela got involve,
but then he asked, do you hear George's name specifically
being mentioned? Do you hear them talking about having a
family meeting to discuss the killing of the Rodent family,
and then he says, when someone testifies, you have to
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consider their demeanor. Jake was laughing, smiling, and smirking as
he's talking about committing these murders. Angela is also no better.
She says she loved Hannah May like a daughter, and
they would often sit at the top of the stairs
and talk in the middle of the night. Yet she
plans to kill her own daughter. You don't think that
she would throw George under the bus if she's plotting
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to kill her own daughter. She sees them walk out
the door.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
She knows what.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
They're gonna do. Does she call nine one one No?
Does she call Hannah May and say run for your life? No?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Does she call Dana? Does she call Chris Senior?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
No?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
She doesn't call anybody. She testified that she simply went
to sleep. She believed that a two year old is
being abused. If that was the case, you would take
her to the emergency room or a doctor. You would
talk to her mother or her grandmother. She didn't do
any of that. Jake is a mama's boy. There liars
con artists and thieves. Angela is an arsonist, and I
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do think that everything he's saying here is a actual,
one hundred percent true. Angela and Jake are all of
these things. She gets dogs from the pound and dyes
their hair. She's manipulative. You can't believe a word that
comes out of their mouths as reliable evidence. They then
go on and rehash a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Of other things.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
He then says that George isn't perfect, but he's not Jake.
He spent as much time away from home as he could,
but you do have to consider his upbringing. Jake is
the one that went into the crime scenes one, two,
three four. He said that Jake and Angela had motive
to do this. Billy His was maybe drug related or
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maybe he was on board with the abuse idea. But
George didn't get along with his family. He got into
fists and verbal altercations with his dad. He couldn't stand
how Jake was in his personality. He spent a lot
of time away from home as much as he could.
Of course, they did live and work together, but they
didn't like each other.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
So there's no way that he was involved in this.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
They have nothing to prove that George was around at
the time of the murderers, physically there or involved. They
have nothing on George, only the word of Jake and Angela,
and Angela threw her own mother into the case, so
of course she would throw her own son in as well.
They then talk about George and Frankie's relationship and how
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as they got older and had kids, they essentially drifted apart.
And they talked about George's testimony about being homeschooled and
just wanting to be alone to hunt and fish and
do his own thing. They said he broke every rule
that his dad had taught him, and he did it
for himself and his son. Jake and Angela destroyed George
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and Bovine's life. Bovine was all that George had, and
when he and Tabby decided to end their marriage, he
got a lawyer and offered to help Tabitha get an attorney.
Then later when beth Ann came into the picture, George
didn't approve. Why would anyone come into this family with
this cloud of suspicion about eight murders over them. Then
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when they ended up coming back to Ohio, and Angelus
said that Sophie accused beth of abuse. George, of course
freaks out because he had the same experience previously with
Tabitha's family and he didn't want to go through this again.
He just wants her out of the house. He doesn't
want to kill beth Ann, just like he didn't want
to kill Tabby. He doesn't want to kill her. He
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doesn't want to kill her family. He just wants them
out to protect his son. So why would he want
Hannah may rodin the gal that he considered his little
sister dead. Why would he want to kill Frankie? It
makes no sense. Look at the evidence from George's point
of view, Walk a mile in a man's shoes before
you judge him. Then they talk about the GoFundMe, how
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Angela ended up setting it up, and then Jake edited
it and says, can you imagine that they kill these
people and have the audacity to to set up a GoFundMe.
Jake testified that he was the one to shoot them
all one at a time, clear to their heads. He
said he shot at Chris Senior. Angela was asked about
the truck at Peterson Road and she said it was
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a green Dodge, but it was not a Green Dodge.
When Jake said he was at Frankie's house with his
zombie Apocalyse knife. He got in and out of the
back door. Billy was right behind him. But guess what,
he didn't see George there. They thought the murders took
place between three am and seven forty nine am, when
the nine to one one call was placed, and that
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is significant in the timeline. George got nothing for his
testimony during this trial, but Jake and Angela did. They
talk about Angela hacking into different social medias, how she
kept a notebook with passwords.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
She hacked into.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Everyone's Facebook account, and she was looking up topics after
the murder. She couldn't keep her hand out of it.
She told people that the family was being framed. You'll
get dury instructions from the judge that the law required
you to use Jake and Angela's testimony with grave suspicion.
After viewing it with grave suspicion, there's no proof beyond
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a reasonable doubt that George was even there that night.
Look at his testimony compared to Jake and Angela's. His
mother wouldn't even look at him, would not even look
at him. Jake was smiling and smirking and laughing when
talking about the murders. And you're going to believe those
people proof beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't know what
you'll believe if you believe George was there. Don't forget
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Jake said he also had no intent to kill. He
went along at the last second. He was there to
protect Jake from crazy Billy. Jake is jealous, and to
commit these crimes, you have to be deeply disturbed. There's
no testimony he shot anyone, or that George was even there.
Look at the timeline and the phone records. The records
don't show when somebody was killed, but they show when
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someone was last alive. There is a large amount of
time unaccounted for. Compare George's demeanor to Jake's. Take time
to understand the evidence and look at it from George's
point of view. As soon as I sit down, there
will be something I wish I said. But you understand
our position. Return a verdict of not guilty on all charges.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
You took an.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Oath, and follow that oath and hold the state to
their burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Jake is
gone for the rest of his life. Angela, Well, they
made that deal. George is different from Jake, a different
from Angela, and that is it. That is the last
of the defense's closings. I do think that they did
a really good job here. The evidence in this case,
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there is so much. It's really so back and forth.
I personally do think that George was involved, But I
think that the defense did a really good job in
the closings trying to put a little bit of reasonable
doubt out there where you would really have to sit
and go through the evidence. If I was a juror
in this case, I feel like it would take me
forever to sit and delve through all of this evidence.
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But I truly do think that George was involved, and
I think the only reason he was involved is because
he so desperately wanted his family's approval, and I think
that this was his way where he kind of thought
that if he involved himself and sided with them, that
he might get it, and just ended up going along
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with it, and they ended up, of course, turning their
backs on him because they are truly truly horrible people,
and eight people had to lose their lives in all
of this. They have destroyed lives of children and their
grandchildren for years and years and years to come, which
is the biggest tragedy of them all. Last thing we're
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going to get into is the rebuttal, which was done
by the prosecution, and it was done by Prosecutor Wilson,
and he did a really really good job. He did
poke some holes in some of what the defense said.
So there is a lot of back and forth, but
this is how the jury ends their time by hearing
Prosecutor Wilson go through everything. So we're going to summarize
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that right now, and then we're going to get into
the verdict. So he kind of starts off getting right
into it and talks about how in the closings, the
defense says, you cannot believe Jake, my client, George Wagner
the fourth did not do this, and then kind of
reiterated in Jake's testimony that Jake very much talked about
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how George went there, but he didn't go there with
intent to kill.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
He didn't kill anybody.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
But the defense is saying, you can't believe anything that
Jake Wagner says, so essentially, you can't have it both ways.
He then goes on to say there has been no
direct testimony that he pulled the trigger in any of
the murders, but you better believe he's up to his
eyeballs with his family. He then goes into all the
murders and discusses all of the shots fired. He said,
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Jake wants his brother to be found not guilty. Quote
under law, George didn't have to pull the trigger once
to be guilty of these murders. Complacency is when two
or more people have a criminal goal. One does one
part and the other does the other. You can't move
into a crime scene to move a body from one
room to another.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
You're on the hook.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
You can't accompany one on a reconnaissance mission knowing the
reason ultimately is to kill the people inside. You can't
stand there as muscle for someone else to come in
and kill somebody. You can't stand guard for your co
defendant so they can go down the hall and kill
people inside. You can't drive an extra vehicle as an
escape option if things go south. You're going to get
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these jury instructions. In each count of the twenty two indictments,
you'll see that he is charged as a principal offender.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Counts one through eight are overwhelming.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
It's a number of charges we are claiming he is
aiding an a betting in and then he goes through
all of these. He said, it can get confusing. He
didn't pull the trigger. But if you go to the
end of the instructions, one of the last things the
judge will instruct you on is complicity, and that is
part of every count of his indictment. I suggest someone,
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if not all of you, take the complicity out of
the stat read complicity along with each count doesn't apply
to this count. It's important because each count is written
as George being the principal offender. If he aided and abetted,
he's guilty of that count. Anything the principal offender did
is also on George. He then puts up a photo
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of the Wagner family which was taken after the murders.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Of course they are smiling.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
You know, happy, go lucky, and he said, that is
very much our theory on this case. They stole Vine
and they wiped out an entire family to get Sophia.
They justify the killings over protecting Sophie from being abused.
They never called Children's services took her to see a
doctor because it wasn't true. They made terrible allegations against
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this family. But the reason they didn't do it in public,
well it wasn't true. It's the same reason they did
it against Tabi and Beth. It's their playbook as part
of a common plan or scheme. You can use that
to show intent or motive. The common plan or scheme
they use to get sole custody of the kids is
they fabricate claims of abuse to get women out of
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their lives. It worked with Tabby and Beth. It didn't
work with Hannah Ma. She had support, literal mic drop
love it. She was strong, she had a family. It
wasn't happening with Sophie. And they knew this. They were
scared of the Rodents. And then he recalls Billy's first
interview in September of twenty sixteen, when he tells investigators, quote,
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if you're going to fight Chris, you better put him
down because he's coming back at you. End quote. He
then said the Wagners needed to control how the kids
would be raised. That's a group trade they all subscribed to.
And he really went off and he did not miss
a beat. It was amazing. It was fantastic. I wanted
to cheer after I heard it all.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
It was so good, and.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
There was a lot more, but that was the main
stuff that I wanted to really put in this episode,
because this is what the jury hears right before they
go back to deliberations, and in my opinion, hearing this
kind of seeing it all come together, and yeah, they
did a fantastic job on the rebuttal. And if you
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were kind of on the fence before this rebuttal really
could have swayed you over to the other side, the
side of George Wagner, the forest guilt. And with that,
the jury went back and started their deliberation. After more
than two and a half months of testimony, hearing from
everybody connected to this crazy web of crazy Wagnermania, the
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jury took less than eight hours to come to their verdict,
and that verdict was guilty on all charges, all twenty
two counts, including eight of murder. So I'm going to
read all of his charges. So eight counts of aggravated murder,
four counts of aggravated burglary, three counts of tampering with evidence,
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one count of conspiracy, one count of unlawful possession of
a dangerous ordinance, one count of forgery, one count of
unauthorized use of a computer or telecommunications, one count of
interception of wire, oral or electronic communications, one count of
obstructing justice, and one count of engaging in a pattern
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of corrupt activity. The week before the verdict was announced,
though the judge did agree to remove the death penalty
off of the table in George's case. When the verdict
was read, George just kind of remained stoic.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
He didn't react. There was no emotion. Really.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I think he knew that he was toast and honestly,
it's ultimate betrayal from his family because they involved him
in the Shenanigans and then they took technically the easy
way out, the plea deal, and then testified against him.
Like I have no George Wagner apologist, but if I
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was him, I would be so pessed at Angela and
Jake Billy. I don't really have any words about Billy.
He doesn't get along with his dad anyway. But Angela
and Jake were the driving force behind this entire thing.
You cannot convince me otherwise. Of course, after the verdict
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was read, the different members of the Rodent family were
emotional crying, hugging each other. They had a really long
six year journey in all of this to get some
justice for their eight family members who were so viciously taken.
Think about losing one family member in a tragic way
and then multiply that by eight. I just cannot even
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fathom how much pain this poor family has had to
go through, and Hannah Hazel Gilly's family as well. The
Ohio Governor Mike DeWine held a press conference following the
verdict and is quoted as saying, from the day of
the crime, I was convinced we were going to solve
the cases. I believe it's one of the most complicated
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cases in BCI history, and it's a testament to have
investigators stuck with it. And I have to agree they
did everything that they could to.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Figure all of this out.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Planet They did the wiretaps, they did the investigation, they
trailed the Wagners, they followed the Wagners, and in the
end they got the Wagners. Thank you Lord for BCI
and their hard work in this case, because if not,
they easily could have gotten away with this and they
would be living their best life right now in Alaska.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Doing God knows what, terrorizing, God knows who.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I am so glad that they are behind bars and
will not harm anybody else for a really really long time.
Angela Wagner will be out of prison one day, and
it's going to be a while, but she will be
out and about one day, and that is a really,
really scary thought. So I do want to go through
a little bit of sentencing. We're going to talk about
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George Wagner the fourth sentencing. We're going to talk a
little bit about some victim impact statements that were given
at Jake sentencing and Jake sentencing as a whole, Angela
sentencing and the upcoming of it all with Billy Wagner
because he is supposed to go to trial this year
and it is going to be a long probably two
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and a half months for his trial, So buckle up, guys. So,
George Wagner the Fourth was sentenced to eight consecutive life
terms without the possibility of parole. And this is going
to piss you all off. I already know because I
was not pleased. We're going to get into Jake's sentence
in a minute. But the judge said that he wanted
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to distinguish Jake's sentence from his brothers, since Jake cooperated
with authorities while George chose to go to trial. Now,
Jake Wagner in cold blood shot eight people, including a child,
Chris Roden Junior. And when I say his sentence, I'm
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actually going to play it for you.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
When the judge sentenced him. There's a video that goes
along with it.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
You really have to see Jake's face because he's just
astonished at his sentence.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
As am I, as am I.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I am going to play the video now of the
judge sentencing Jake Wagner, and then we're going to talk
about it. And I'm also going to play a victim
impact statement from Hannah Hazel Gilly's mother, because it was
powerful and it really sticks out to me as a
victim impact statement. And the Roden family lost a lot,
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but Hannah Hazel Gilly's family also lost a lot. They
lost a daughter, sister, friend, cousin. Hannah was just starting
her life, she was a mom, she was a fiance,
she was planning her life, and she was attacked while
she slept by the horrific Wagners. And it is so frustrating,
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it's so sad. All of these people were so full
of life and not doing anything wrong. They were literally, unfortunately,
just people that the Wagners felt were in their way. Okay,
I'm going to go ahead and play the Jake Wagner
sentencing now, and then we're going to talk about it,
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and I'm going to complain about it, So just be prepared.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
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likely to hear A the fender or not. I'm not
going to have a Crystal Paul to project where you
are for a lot of person.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
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fallace out.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
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Speaker 4 (34:08):
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Speaker 3 (34:33):
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prison house, fifteen and seventeen Cambrian evidents three prison that's
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sets on nineteen down twenty level interception eighteen months to
prison now twenty one. I've struggling justice, five months to
prison now twenty two. Engaging are federate proactivity to back
eleven years of prison then count twenty three on a
sexual conduct with a minor four degree blue the supporting
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four years.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Of age difference in that case eighteen months in prison.
The backsimum sess.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
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radio case composed mandatory six years went to first by
our respect they from count one six years, but by
our specification about about two you're a two and forty
four days of jail. By credit you required to regisure
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as a violent offender. You also have sex offender reration
requirement Leader free er fire apply on any release from
prison with the period of twenty five years rest during
at least January six months with the share in the
county where you reside. If you change your address, take
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it to apply it and you have to mean for
registration at time you gained a variable the violentfender database
is you grew earlier ten year registration can't be extended.
And then reply with the likes of vendor registration for
the file offender registration file in terms of release or
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over separate felony.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
The Chief of Justice appoints retired to sign judges to
work on cases for there's aduct clicks or problems. I
think that very seriously.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
It's a privilege after retirement would be granted the opportunity
to come back and continue to help my column.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
That's why I want to get out the.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Better he is the problem maybe a skill of why
to resolve the the the problem.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
That's how I got here. I was talking about this
with your dad once ago.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
I got two problems is when I walked into this
case but explained the two problems. First problem was a
recommendation on your case that was the same as it
was on your product Life about Parle, which is what
you've got right.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
How did he get to it? He went to trial,
he had ten weeks of trial, and yet thousands of.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Dollars and dozens of witnesses and emotional energy and staff,
energy people, energy resources, energy to get them to his conviction.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Yet the recommendation here is the same as it should be.
No credit for all.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
The cooperation game.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
As mister Vision said, you don't.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Have the corroboration of the coper witness, you may not
have any case. So I have resolved at first problem
is how is it that alsots to treat.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
You this because he killed a people? Yeah, he killed
a people in cold blood hollow.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
I resolved a good deal. The new mom got thirty years.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Is a really long time, No longer enough.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
It's a really good deal, is it for the level
of the conduct, especially that she could have stopped the
whole thing getting its tracks before it ever happened. I
don't let her off to the hook because you didn't
go to the scene. I quit are equally responsible because
the eyes of the law, quint are equally responsible.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
So my second problem is how do I.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Resolve what looks to me like some sort of gender vibance.
Here's how I resolve. I give you the opportunity of
parole after twenty years on your created Senate. You do
six on the gun inspect, you do sticks on the
gun inspect, you do life on all the other counts,
everything concurring with the opportunity of parole in twenty years.
(39:33):
So thirty two years out, you give your chance because
you go out, because you get something to acknowledge the
responsibility for the crime.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
That's not a feel. That's as close as I didn't come.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
The solving the problem is handed to be by these
ancient play periods.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
If everybody wants to the last judge is sensitive deal.
It should have said my little last jest.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Everybody knew jud Gearys was gone right after the last try.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Okay, we don't need to hear any more of that shenanigans.
But life in prison with the possibility of parole in
thirty two years. Angela is out in thirty years. Rita
newcom pled guilty and is out on probation. George Wagner,
a person who, even though he was complicit, even though
(40:28):
he was there, did not physically kill anybody, is in
prison for life without the possibility of parole. I like
to say, I think our justice system works. I think
every one of them, besides Rita Newcom should be behind
bars for the rest of their lives. My personal opinion,
they do not need to see the light of day ever, ever,
(40:51):
ever again. And I don't know how you can sit
through the victim impact statements, especially the one that Hannah
Hazel Gilly's mom gave, and turn around and say I'm
going to sentence you to life in prison with the
eligibility of parole after thirty two years. Jake's face, Jake
was just shocked as I was. I mean, holy moly,
(41:12):
you killed eight people in cold blood while they slept,
and you have the possibility to get out of prison.
Jake is not going to be that old when he
could potentially get out of prison.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Holy moly.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
All right, we are now going to hear from Andrea Shoemaker,
who is the mother of Hannah Hazel Gilly. She does
not care, and she spoke her truth, and she's a
true warrier. She's a badass, and I hope that she
is doing okay present day because I can't even imagine
(41:47):
her pain. She's wearing a shirt with Hannah and Frankie's
picture on it. It makes me just want to sob
She's emotional and she is impact full, and she is
speaking to the wagoner, she's speaking to Jake. She lets
it all go. And I'm gonna play that for you now.
It's about four minutes the clip I'm gonna play, So
(42:09):
get ready.
Speaker 6 (42:14):
You playing carry out and burd my grand son who
is six muscles between his mom and dad ran Keith
and has Billy let alone, your green daughter's mother. How
(42:37):
greedy help of the grandmother are you? How agree you
killed your.
Speaker 7 (42:43):
Grandmother's, your green daughters and mother.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
You're evil? You're evil. You are the spawn the savings,
and your saving.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Is Billy Wacker.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
You knew? Are me evil? As mother's health?
Speaker 7 (43:02):
I man carry out to take your life of thoe
of them months?
Speaker 8 (43:07):
My daughter was with twenty and you want thirties years
your life behind all career.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
It was moy You know.
Speaker 7 (43:19):
She didn't be the next fine alcohol six terms of
her life?
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Was her kidded five months and Hanna, I know them.
The love of your lives will.
Speaker 6 (43:28):
A quager, the love of for life, your daughter's mother
the sheep four days, Clay further go four days?
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Do you know what kind of answers?
Speaker 8 (43:44):
I don't queen's I have to answer further.
Speaker 7 (43:47):
Even bad people one yes, fathing your face is on
the news, so guess what I had to explain.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
More because they're not kids, the kids that they're not
six months old, they're not four, ten, ten years.
Speaker 9 (44:04):
He's been one out the die, the teacher you have fished,
oh man things he has to depends on uncles thousands
because a huge Jake greedy.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Jake wager you.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
I want you to self. I want you not hold
off BC.
Speaker 7 (44:26):
I want your father to live. He always to die
as well as your dad. I want you to die
so your mom builds a heartache. What's like to carry
the child that never goes to play.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
I don't hate you.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
You hrunt my life.
Speaker 8 (44:44):
You purlent innocent childrens loves.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
I hope your job. I'm praying day y'all. I'll hurry
your grandchildren and your children.
Speaker 7 (44:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
I don't want anything to do with you, and I.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Hope they never too. I hope your daughter hates you
with a costume and as much heart as I hate
chick quarter.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
You stood my hate my.
Speaker 9 (45:15):
Mother five times, been ahead long times. Man water suddenly
between them and here.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
May she's holding her little pearl, and you've shot birth.
How cold you did yours? I'll say, I'll say it again.
Songs us take you and your brother you equlness created
them and miss Frida on.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
The field shut a sorry from give.
Speaker 8 (45:47):
I know you're shamed to have suns of dollars and
grandsons that be wolf because you was the first to
fill the guilt and said you was sorry and it
was your Christian duty to tell the truth.
Speaker 7 (46:01):
So I have not braying any works.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
It works for my heartbreaks freaking.
Speaker 8 (46:05):
Had such an eight evil you sponse.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yes, girl, go off?
Speaker 1 (46:20):
She really, I mean it's emotional even watching that because
she is so passionate. She is shaking, like physically shaking
with her just trauma and rage and sadness and heartbreak,
it all just it's so powerful and so wild that
(46:40):
this whole thing happened, and it happened for no other
reason other than selfishness. They stole eight lives all because
they were selfish and greedy. And Angela is a whack
job and she had total control over both of her
sons and Billy he is no better.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
He is, as Hannah's mom.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Said, Satan And then the children are spawn of Satan's
and she didn't have any bad words to say for
Rita other than she felt sorry for her, which I
think is very telling.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Rita.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Honestly, I can't imagine the pain that she feels with
all of this, and her daughter involved her in all
of it, which is really shitty.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
This one really bothers me. It'll probably bother me for
the rest of time. I am definitely going to keep
you guys updated on Billy's trial. Any upcoming news that
happens with Billy Wagner, I will be sure to bring
it in a little right now in True Crime Update.
But that is Summer series twenty twenty five. The Rodin
(47:48):
family murders most important. Let's remember our victims. Christopher Roden Senior,
Christopher Roden Junior, Dana Roden, Frankie Rodin, Hannah May Roden,
Hannah Hazel, Gilly, Gary Roden, Kenneth Roden. Those are the
names that matter, the children that are left, the surviving
(48:10):
victims in this case, the families, everybody that has been
affected by this. On the Rodin family side, they wait
for justice as they wait for Billy Wagner to go
to trial. I will continue to keep you guys updated.
Like I said, and I thank you so very much
for tuning into Summer Series twenty twenty five. It took
fourteen episodes to get through this convoluted, crazy story and
(48:35):
a two and a half month trial, but we did it.
I will see you guys next summer for a brand
new summer series. Taking suggestions if you want to recommend anything.
But thank you guys so much for listening to this
story the Pie County Massacre. Learning a little bit more
about the Rodin family because they are way more than
(48:56):
how their lives were taken. Hannah Hazel Gilly was more
than what happened in the last few seconds of her life.
She was a mom, She was a daughter. She was
only twenty years old. Chris Rodin Junior was a sweet
teenage boy, very loving, very kind, always helping people out
(49:17):
at school.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
He was a gem.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
Hannah May Rodin a fantastic mother, holding her four day
old baby, baby Kylie when she was killed. Frankie Rodin
a dad, a fiance getting ready to start his life,
and also somebody that George Wagner claimed was one of
his best friends. Dana Rodin, she worked as a nurse's aide.
(49:44):
She was a loving mom and grandmother and did everything
she could to protect her family. Chris Rodin Senior, the
main guy of the family, also a great guy, a grandfather,
a hard worker, a good friend. According to Billy that
was his best friend. Kenneth Roden, also a very hard worker,
(50:04):
a loving dad, caring and a all around nice person.
And Gary Rodin, who was the cousin of Chris Rodin Senior.
Again good guy, wrong place, wrong time. Unfortunately he stayed
a lot of the time with Chris Senior, and unfortunately
that night his life ended because he was there. Essentially,
(50:28):
all people that need to be remembered for all the
good that they did. Every human makes mistakes, every human
has faults in life, but they did nothing to deserve
what happened to them. I hope their families have a
little bit of peace, and I hope the rest of
the peace will come when Billy is locked up, hopefully
for the rest of time, as he should be.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
And I hope that Jake Wagner.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Never ever ever gets paroled, and I hope that every
family member is up there during the parole hearing to
speak their piece and speak their truth, because that evil
human never deserves to see the light of day again,
especially after thirty two years. All Right, thank you guys
so much again for listening. I will see you next
summer for Summer Series twenty twenty six. Have a great
(51:14):
week and I will see you Thursday for a brand
new Unsolved case.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Bye.
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