December 26, 2025 • 50 mins
At WWE SummerSlam 1992, Bret “The Hitman” Hart and the British Bulldog delivered one of the most iconic matches in wrestling history inside Wembley Stadium. But what fans saw on screen was only part of the story. In this episode, Sean Mooney pulls back the curtain on the untold truths behind the Intercontinental Championship classic — from backstage tension and last-minute changes to Bret Hart’s mindset, Bulldog’s condition, and how WWE navigated one of its biggest international moments ever.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
What is going on? Wrestling fans? It's Oh is he dancing? Oh,
he's stretching.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
He's getting ready, I'm stretching.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Then Era podcast with Sean Mooney.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This one, we're gonna have to be in shape. I
don't know if we can get it all in. We
may have to come back because there is so much
involved in this episode, So let's get to it.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
That's a good point. That's a good point. It's Summer
Slim nineteen nine.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh, by the way, good to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Hi, good to see you as well. It's not like
you text me, you know, at midnight when I'm sleeping. Now,
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
No, I do. It's true he does.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Behind the curtain, he does. But Summer Slim nineteen ninety
two is one of those like, oh my god, look
at this moment, the monumental matches, the spectacle, you know,
when people talk about wrestling at nine being like this
was the beginning of everything. I'm sorry, Summer Slim ninety two,
don't sleep on this one, baby, because I watched a
full show the other day Peacock, and I've watched just
(01:01):
in like fifteen twenty years. Dude stands up to the
test of time. The audience is into what. But question
to you before we even start, is Brett the Hitman,
Harvest the British Bulldog the greatest Summer Slam match ever?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Oh, Summer Slim. I think it's one of the greatest
matches ever. I go that far and you can go
back in history, and when anybody has ever asked me
what my favorite event was, I always say Summer Slam
ninety two. For so many reasons. There is just layer
after layer after layer in this We really we could
(01:36):
go on, probably do about six hours on this thing
if we really wanted to dive deep. But let's get
to what we can. But it is, it remains, really
it is to me one of the greatest events ever,
just for not just the matches, but just everything that
was going on and the aftermath. Yes, yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
It it's very interesting to think about this event because
look at the past, in the Golden era, how many
times did they really go out far beyond the United States.
You can count Canada for a sky dome Wrestmania six.
But I'm no disparaging my Canadian fans out there, but
that's not that far. We can drive there. We in
the United States, we can't drive to London, England, and
(02:21):
so when you think of an event happening like that, Wow,
there must have been a lot of on the line here.
You go back to WrestleMania one being such a great event.
There's so much money and this could go wrong. In
my opinion, if this doesn't go the way it does go,
that could have really hurt the business. It's already suffering
at this point.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, and that's what I was going to say. You know,
you talk about the fact that we're going to cross
the pond, but it needed to succeed for a number
of reasons because business was not going well in the States.
Also that included you know, Canada, and so they needed
a spark, They needed something to reignite, you know, that interest.
(03:01):
And they had been over to the UK testing the
waters and to see how it was going to go.
And initially it took off that it didn't do tremendously well.
So the fact that it had started really to start
to build again, and I've talked about it before, where
we started doing a lot of promotional stuff, me directly
(03:22):
doing a local feel to it and reaching out to
that UK audience. Because it had started to build, they
sensed it and they were going to have this event
here in the States and realized it's not going to
be great. It's not we're not getting any kind of
a reaction that we would expect. So we've got to
(03:42):
do something that's going to shake it up. And what
better way than let's go to the UK. And remember, now,
this is a point in WWE history where you know,
they really haven't expanded across the globe. They've certainly gone
to different places and done shows, but not on a
level where started developing something when they would do it
on a regular basis. So this really was a big
(04:05):
test for the company and so many things involved, so
much at stake Steve here, because as you said, they
really needed something to happen because things weren't going well,
and they did need to start having this global attraction,
and this they were hoping was going to be the
real real start of it.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
And when you think about it, the Golden Era really
surrounds hul Cogan. So it's the first pay per review
in the WWF's history that does not have hul Cogan
on the poster. In a match, in any situation at all,
you're depending on a lot of local like British Bulldog.
You're in Colin Champion and Brett Hart coming up, you
have Savage, you have Warrior, but no Hogan. When you
(04:48):
were in the company, was there a consensus like well,
I know the pay per view coming up, but like
can we get Jhole Cogan to be here too?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah? Well, there was a sense really that things were
not going well. They try to, you know, put on
a good front that we've got things in the works,
We've got talent being developed here, you know, all this
is going on, but there really was an underlying sense
of panic of like what in the world, what's going on?
(05:15):
And uh, you know, within a year's or the door
is going to be open. I mean it was kind
of that that feeling, and you know, it didn't get
down to that point, but there was certainly that feeling
of Okay, what's going to go on here? And especially
you know, had Hulk Mania really just run its course
and if that were the case, Okay, where do we
go from here. We've got you know, Warrior who's just
(05:40):
you know, volatile and an unstable talent that you don't
know what he's going to do. Macho man is you
know somebody that's a solid performer. But then you know
that there's this whole thing of you know, these aging stars,
which is really funny to think about today when you
see still in the ring in their fifties. But at
the time, there was feeling that we've got this youth movement,
(06:02):
We've really got to do something, and so there was
a lot at stake, there really was, and it was
one of those things we could do. We need Hulkster
again to pull them out of this, and it was
just at that point had you know, it was tired.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, the rumor of being in Maryland is one of
those things some of us on ninety two in Maryland
really like, that's what we're gonna do here. Okay, I
guess you know it tried and true Maryland, but yeah,
it is finalized that are gonna go to London, England.
Wembley's Stadium of all places, that's and it's great to
see this because a lot of stadiums from this time
the golden erarow they've been change, you know, destroyed, rebuilt
(06:42):
that it's great to see that. Actually Wembley Stadium, you know,
innovations here and there, but still a standing facility and
ticket sales for this were bonkers because online there's two
ways to look at this. Online they're like, well six
hours went by, eighty thousand fans bought tickets. Realistically, I
don't know how it's possible, but hey, maybe it was,
but it but that amount being put together in five
(07:06):
days what some people also say, that's still an amazing thing.
Nothing is written, there's no matches, it's just the WWF
is coming to town. Do you want to see us?
And they're there, and that really shows you the opening
of this SummerSlam where they show you, you know, the
locals all getting ready to go into the arena, and
I love this one kid. He says the British bool
(07:28):
does don't to win, whether he wants to or not.
And I'm still someone found that person, mooney, somebody finds.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
That is that an English accent? You sounded more like
Greta Tunberg there, But get I get what you're trying
to do there.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Shut up, mooney.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
But but you know, talking about these ticket sales, they
didn't They could have taken a safe route, I guess,
you know, and they could have done it at Royal
Albert Hall and made it this big, you know, but
that was a big leap of faith to think that
you're gonna fill Wembley Stadium. And whether or not it
was sixty five thousand seats sold right immediately, you know,
(08:05):
within once that was announced, or if it was sold out, whatever,
but that's still incredible end you can't deny. I mean,
whatever the numbers go up, it was eighty thousand plus
that they got into Wembley Stadium. I happened to think
that it was the event center that was personally responsible
for all that, but that's that's another discussion. Agreed I did.
(08:28):
But but really just the fact, I mean, that's that's
unbelievable that, as I said, you know there it was
iffy earlier on there that they when they first got
over there and they got a great reaction, but not tremendous,
and then you have this this bill it started, and
(08:48):
so the fact that they were able to you know,
literally cash in on that when that was was happening
and generate that excitement was phenomenal. And I think a
lot of it had to do with that the match
up that they had designed, and Brett Hart was certainly
behind it, had pitched it to Vince and sold them
(09:09):
on it. But what better way than to bring you know,
the country's own Davy boy Smith there and and have
this great, big match against Brett Hart. That was a
big part of it.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Oh and because it's so interesting that earlier in the summer,
Brett Hart pitched to Vincic Man, Hey, I want to
have a ladder match with Sean Michaels. You want to
drop the title to Sean Michaels. Let's have a ladder match, Vince, like,
what the hell's aren't So they have to do a
performance And it's actually on a coliseum video. You could
buy that later on. And it's funny because people thought
a lot of matches were invented a Rustmennye at ten
with Sew Michaels and Raisin A Moan, but no one
(09:47):
really knew at that time about that match. And then
this was gonna happen. It's gonna be Brett ver Shushan
drop the title here. But instead we get the idea
of local boy does great bulldog Brett Hart SummerSlam Intercontinental
title the main event. Now, we have not actually seen
the Icy Championship being the main event of SummerSlam or
wrestle Mania or any event by itself. A pay per
(10:09):
review by itself. We saw it Russman the six Warrior
was Icy Champion versus Hogan, but this is by itself.
Now we're gonna play some clips though from an interview
you did with Diana Hart, British Bulldog's wife and Brett
Hart's sister, and this event. We're gonna jump in deep
here because when you think of Summer Slam ninety two,
(10:30):
you always hear rumors that Bulldog was on drugs and
he couldn't compete and Brett carried them on fucked. We
always hear that line. That's a better impression, all right,
So let's get to what Diana Hart thinks about Bulldog
being on drugs before this event and not being able
to carry his own here, because this is where we're
(10:50):
gonna have to start also reading quotes Brett Hart's book,
because now we're gonna find out the truth was Bulldog
on drugs? Let's find out from Diana first.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
When you look at that that match and regardless of
how it really went down, I mean, Brett, uh, you
know Davy had not been in the ring for a while.
That besides the fact you know that he was professional
for so long. But when you're not in the ring.
It's it's tough to just step back in there. And
you know, Brett says that he kind of called the
match or and that Davy you know, said I'm fooked
(11:23):
when he went in there and said, but how do
you think because I've watched that match a couple of
times and he didn't miss a spot it. I mean,
you and I was, you know, you're looking and I don't.
You could see there might have been a few times.
Worry Brett, you know, talks to or whatever. But how
do you think he pulled that match off? Because it
(11:44):
really I know it was match of the year for many,
but that to me was one of the greatest performances
I've ever seen on both their parts. But it was
just how do you think he pulled it off?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Well, you know that's twofold. I go down to my
go to my grave.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Testifying or whatever, swearing that Davy was not on drugs
in that match. And if he was on drugs the
way Bratt says, how does I mean, how great does
that make Davy?
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I mean, I don't even if it wasn't even just
the physical condition that he had, mean this coming off
whatever that period of time of being that sick as
you described he was.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I just think, you know, brat get Davey had a
lot of great matches, So don't act like, you know,
the only great match you ever had was because you
apparently called every spot in the ring. And you know,
shame on you for getting caught on camera talking because
if you're the you know, great pro, you don't you
don't get seen talking, you know, you just but he
(13:00):
I don't recall Davy saying I'm fulked. I don't recall that,
and there's no way for me to ever know that
that was said. But Brett makes out like Davy was
a complete zombie and he carried him through that. It's like,
well if he was look at the what a job like,
look at like, oh, you know that guy was on
(13:21):
drugs and he did that match. He was suffering from
a staff infection for six weeks and and completely out
of it and he had that match. Like I would say,
hats off to Davy boy Smith more than hats off
to Brett.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
But it takes two to.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Have That's exactly right. Yeah, that was a great conversation
with Diana and uh I had the great fortune to
get to know, not only Diana but also Harry, Davy's
son pretty well. And uh, you know, it's it's interesting
that family is Uh, it's the dynamic of that even
(14:00):
to this day there's bitterness and everything, and the disagreement
and the debate rages on. As you said, you know
we'll get answers. Well, no, we still don't have the
real answers on it. But what I really would say
about it though, is and Diana had a great point
here regardless of how Davy boy Smith got into that ring,
(14:21):
whether it was you know, because he had ring rusted me,
my god, he had really hadn't been in the ring,
and of course I say, you know, you're a professional.
It's like a dance and you get back, but you
know it. You can't just step in there and have
a match like that. So whether it was some kind
of you know, medically you're talking that the conditioning and
(14:42):
he if he had suffered this staff infection and was
still feeling the effects, or as like in Brett's book
that he's smoking crack with Jim Knightheart the day before
they leave. I'm just telling when you look at that match,
and Steve, I know you'll back me up on this.
Whatever happened once they stepped inside those ropes, it was magic.
(15:05):
It was just it is a I don't certainly, I
was never in the ring. I can't sit there and
pick everything out there and maybe a misstep here, a
misstep there.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
But.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
It's very difficult really to find it. It wasn't a mess.
There wasn't him falling down to them missing and Brett
having you you know, folks they do their words are
exchanged during those matches. It's everybody does it. It wasn't
like something unusual that Brett wouldn't be. You know, they
say things to each other, but if you watch that,
you rarely see a lot of that going on at all.
(15:38):
So somehow whether it was and we've seen and talked
about other superstars and guys in the ring when they
could be barely crawling to the ring and once they
get in those ropes, they're a different human being. And
that's the way I feel about that match. It was
just incredible. It was a great, great match up. It
(15:59):
wasn't just greatest SummerSlam match to me, and and the
fact that that was all involved there and Brett uh
deserves an awful lot of credit on this about the
fact of him envisioning what they were going to do
in this match. He he talks about in his book
how he you know, thought about it every single night.
And Brett was one of those guys as a tactician
(16:21):
that you know, he would you know, plot out his matches.
He saw all of them happen in here before he
even got in the ring with somebody, especially when it
was something as important as this. So he lived, ate
and breathed that match that whole time before they went
to England. And uh, I don't think he gets enough
(16:42):
credit for how what a brilliant, you know, wrestling mind
he has that he would pull things and remember matches
from decades before and put it somewhere, saying, one day
that's going to work somewhere. Yeah, and and so you know,
we'd love to have those answers. We're never going to
get them because you see right there, those are two
(17:03):
family members who have completely opposing views as to what happened.
And if you really want to get into it from
Brett's side, But man, read that book hit Man. I
think is one of the greatest wrestling books ever written.
And really it's a long read. It's a long read,
but man, it's you talk about this, you know, genuine
(17:23):
lays it out there, and you can agree with him
or disagree with him, but it is a fascinating look
into his life and how he sees professional wrestling. But
this matchup was was just phenomenal. And Brett mentions how
when that thing was over twenty something minutes later, twenty
six minutes I think it was. He's laying on his
(17:46):
back in the ring there and he says, you know,
I am elated because he knew, he knew what they did,
and then it was going to be that culmination with
the handshake, and uh, I honestly, I even me talking
about it now, I get I get the I get
chills because I just remember it so vividly. And I've
(18:10):
talked about this before because you know, you've seen the
interview I did ringside with Diana, but I had kind
of lived through that too, of all what was going
on behind the scenes. Everybody knew. Everybody's like, what's gonna happen.
He's going to go in there and just made humiliate himself,
and you know, I mean, it could have gone so wrong.
And when that was over, and I remember seeing Diana
(18:33):
at ringside. I mean, you could just see it was
just like oh, like oh, because she she wanted both
of them to succeed. Whether there was this animosity and
there was trust beyond the fact that it at that
moment in time and they did it and it was phenomenal,
and that that what happened in that ring after was
(18:55):
so genuine because they both realized they did it, and
it is It's just a chapter and professional wrestling that
is just storied and really one of the greatest, uh
from start to finish, greatest stories in wrestling.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, Bert Hart and his book said that he woke
his wife up at three in the morning once he
he woke up from a he was dreaming of the
finish of the match and he's he he woke up,
he made his wife get up and woke her up
and said, we need to try this out to see
if it will work. And so he's so he tried
the ending of this match, flipping over and holding down
the legs and getting on top, and that's how he
(19:35):
had his fifth child. But that's exactly how.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
No, that the.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Rest of the rest is but SI, you know, that's
what we do here on the Golden Air podcast. But
this is one of the quotes from Brett Hart's book,
and that's why like the idea of Davy going into
this and if his wife, even his wife was like, well,
I'm not sure if he was messed up or not,
but if he did, look at that great match. And
that's true because after, like I'll be honest, after like
say I have like four beers, don't ask me to
go ride a bike somewhere. You're like, oh, this guy's
(20:06):
out there not in the best shape, or or we
d time on a bike, but tour two sometimes it depends.
But yet with him, if he was messed up, he
pulled off a magical masterpiece. But this is one of
these quotes. I want to read that this is really
going and be like, oh, okay, this is Tart's book
(20:28):
saying this. I constantly phoned Davy down in Florida, but
all Diana could tell me was that he was out
with Jim the Anvil Nightheart somewhere. I finally tracked Jim
down just hours before I was leaving for England and
was shocked when he told me that he'd just taken
Davy and Diana to the airport. Davy was high as
a kite when he caught the flight, Jim said, because
he's been up all night smoking crack with him. Jim
told me that Davy had a grill on his back
(20:49):
and he was worried about him. I wish Jim would
take a good look at himself. Davy was high as
a kite. So we're about to get to Wembley Stadium
and we're smoking crack and we're getting an airplane and
we're coming over and Jim, the Abel Knighthart, who's had
a passed as well, is tell him Brett like, yeah,
(21:12):
I know I messed up, but this guy who's coming
to fight you, he is he's worse off than I thought.
And that, to me is one of those moments of
going like, oh, this isn't this is uh, this could
go seriously wrong quick, but it doesn't. It luckily it doesn't.
But I do want to play another video from Diana
talking to you, and it's about the match because Brett Hard,
(21:35):
if you looked at any of the past pay per
view matches he's had, usually his parents are ringside for
big moments. This is one of Burt Hart's biggest matches,
but his parents aren't there. Why are they not there?
Let's figure that out after this clip. Nope, that clip
didn't want to play folks, that's unfortunate. Pretty much what
(21:57):
she said was Brett was like, yeah, you know, want
your parents there, Diana, Our parents, they shouldn't come. They
shouldn't watch this because you know, I'm you know, British
pull was gonna beat me in. It's not really that important,
so you shouldn't be there. And I'm like, when I
heard that clip, I was like, uh, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Well see now that gives you a little bit of
a clue that maybe there was some doubt in Brett's
mind that he wasn't sure if Brett was going to
I mean, if that Davy boy was going to be
able to pull this off, and uh, you know, and
I'm sure that Vince is asking him, you know, is
(22:38):
he going to be able to do this? And Brett's oh, yeah,
of course, you know sure, because he didn't not want
this match to happen. So he was all in saying,
no matter what, we're going to be in there. I'm
going to get him in there, and uh, we're going
to see what happens. He was laying it all on
the line because it would not necessarily have just gone
bad for Davy. Boy Brett goes down with that ship too.
(23:01):
He's on it, and if it's burning and there's nothing
and he can't put that fire out, then he goes
down with it. So that was really what I drew
from that.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
That.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Maybe there was that and he did not want his
parents there to see it happen, because you're right, you know,
Stu and Helen were at a lot of those I mean,
they were a fixture. I remember seeing them all the
time at Ringside, and it was, you know, they could
make the trip. It wasn't that far really, right. So
(23:34):
that's that's really what I took from that, is that
maybe there was just that slight doubt in Brett's mind
that he and he didn't want them there to see
it happen.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, I imagine that's one of the reasoning. I was
just thought it was funny because Diana and that was like, yeah,
I could tell like Brett didn't really want the parents
there for reasons, you know, certain reasons. But either way.
He's another quote though, from Brehardt's book, when I asked
Davy why he hadn't returned my calls all summer he
wasn't able to look me in the eye. He fessed up.
He's been smoking crack with Jim for weeks and now
(24:09):
was terrified. He's gone back to being that same helpless
kid I rescued from Dynamites ten years earlier. Trust me, Davy,
I'll do whatever I can to get you through tomorrow.
He nodded, and I sat him down for a crash course,
going over and over and over on match, making him
recite the moves back to me. It was now completely
up to me to save our match. So there you go.
(24:29):
There's some indication of why Davy's able to pull off
this amazing match because even if he was messed up,
Brett forced him to sit there and recite back to
him the match, even that rumor of thing.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Fuked well, like.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
He in Bernhardt's he saying like, hey, I sat you
down and we did went through this shit.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
But also, I mean remember Brett also says that once
they got in the ring, Davy boy, when he said
I'm folked, he was basically saying, I forgot everything you
told me yesterday. That you know. That's it's so you
can imagine the the the realization that Brett saying you know.
I mean, we're in front of eighty thousand bo I
(25:07):
don't know how many millions are out there watching, and
he's just gonna blank on me, you know. So I
think that once they started it was somehow it must
have kicked in with Davy Boy, because, like I said,
you can lead a match, but you're still gonna it's
gonna be there's gonna be lags, there's gonna be there's
(25:27):
gonna be mistakes no matter what you do. So whatever happened, somehow,
Davy Boy put it together because I said, I, you know,
watch that match, folks, check it out, and I'd love
to hear the comments about what people think when they
watch that through and and watch it with that you know,
that trained eye of how many times you've watched matches
(25:49):
over the years and you've picked up on things that
these professional wrestlers do and see if you can catch
these And I honestly, I didn't not see anything that
would be of major like, oh my god, I can't
believe that happened, because it was it was just it
was an entertaining day, up and down. They took the
(26:10):
audience with them. It was it was phenomenal. So whatever
took place in those opening minutes of that match. Davy
Boy went into another place and rose to the occasion
and had one of the matches of his life. And
I'm sure he knew it when it was over. That's
(26:31):
what you when they're standing in that ring. That's all there.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
It's true. But you know what's really it's really messed up,
is that I had some time recently, so I watched
on Peacock Superstars the three weeks after Summer Slams. I
watched the one after, week before and the week after,
so I watched them all in a row. And what
really is daunting when you watch those they show you
a clip in the beginning of the first Superstars after
Summer Slim ninety two of Bulldog winning like whoop, a
(26:56):
little little dinky clip. Three weeks go by. Bulldog never
has a promo, he's never showcased on television, he doesn't
have a goddamn match Brett Hart. He shows up two
weeks later, and what they're suggesting on commentary is that
fucking Papa Shango put a curse on him and that's
the reason he lost theater Continental title. They're harping on
(27:19):
what happens with Warrior in Savage and Flay, which we'll
talk about a little bit. But is that shocking that
when we think about Brett Harper's Bulldog being the greatest
Summer slim of all match of all time, even best
match of all time in the WWE in f but
the aftermath doesn't connect those pieces. The aftermath is Papa
Shanko put a curse on Brett and Bulldog's missing from TV.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, that's a bit of a stretch. Yeah, no, what
he's talking about it?
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Of course it happened, because.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Okay, so why do you think that was going on?
Could it have possibly been that they're thinking that maybe
Davy boy is not as dependable and he's not in
a great place. And when that's all over, because you know,
they talked about it that you know that would have
(28:05):
you would have thought that really would have boosted his
competence and then saying okay, I'm back, I can do
this if I can do it that in that shape.
But I think we know if and I don't know
if this lends any credence to drug use or whatever,
but if you know how that works, it's not like
(28:26):
you're done and it's over, you know, you're back on
track and I own I'm never going to do that again.
So I think that that's I think that's why we
saw that. Yeah, and it wasn't you know, we saw
the same thing with the with the carry about Eric
that you know, they could be brilliant in the ring
and then you don't know what's going on behind the scenes,
(28:49):
and it gets harder and harder for them because they
are dependent on so many chemicals and every and other
devices that advices. I should say that you know that
are not good for a human being staying healthy. And
so it's unfortunately, because you're right, it should have man,
that should have you talked about a build right there.
(29:11):
I mean that coming off that should have been gigantic
and as we talked, look where we look where we
were at the time, and now you got something. It
wasn't just a UK thing. It wasn't just okay, made
those folks happy in the United Kingdom. It's not going
to sell over there. Hell yeah it is. So yeah,
that's that's what's uh. I mean, come on, come up
(29:35):
with something better than Papa Shango. I love Papa Shango
by a curse that made them lose After saying that match,
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
No, it doesn't even I loved it during Superstar because
they do a double box. So it's like Brett harr
is wrestling some you know, development talent local and then
in the corner in the corner as Papashang, he's the course.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Whoa.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Then he has a book and it catches on a
fire in his hand.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I thought to myself, I don't remember this at all all.
I pushed this out of my brain so far that
Papa Shango is the reason Brett Hart lost, not Davy
Boy pinning him. It was the curse. And you know
we mentioned earlier as Brett Hart want to fight Sean
Michaels at SummerSlam, but that didn't happen. But in reality,
Brett kind of pitched Vince, Hey, I'll lose to Davy.
(30:18):
Then Davy can just lose to Sew Michaels, right and.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
In a brilliant way and make that a really great run.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, and when it was decent, and then Bulldog lost
on Saturday Night's main event and he was fired before
Survivor Series. So it is a Summer Slam. He's fired
before we get to Survivor Series. What's happening to Brett
hart sarvib series. He's currently the world champion and he's
posing with Santa Claus at the end of Savivor series.
So what a tale of two different tales of retail
(30:48):
one person one, one person lost, but in reality, the
loser of this match is the winner.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, it's a tragedy. It really is in many ways,
and as as the way it ended up, and it's
it's it's incredibly sad because I remember thinking too after
that match, Okay, all right, now now he gets now,
you know, he gets back on track here. And it
may not, you know, it's not gonna happen overnight, but
(31:17):
you know, I felt in some ways it saved him.
And I'm sure that Diana felt the same way. Nobody
really understands, and you can listen to that episode I
go back in primetime and listen to that of what
she went through, and you know, she loved him so dearly.
She loved him from the second she laid eyes on
his picture. She didn't even have to see him in person,
(31:39):
and the way it all happened, it was it really
just really tragic. And having conversations with Harry, which I
think Harry is now as old as Davy Boy was
when he passed away. And you know, he didn't have
a dad around when he was here on this planet
because of we we know all the schedule and what
(32:01):
these guys did. And he used to just and he
talked about when dad came home, he would basically like
wrap himself around his gear, you know, just to feel
a piece of that guy, you know, and he just
wanted a dad around. U not understanding, I mean, when
you're that age, how are you gonna understand why dad
has gone for three weeks and comes home for a
(32:22):
couple of days and then I got to say goodbye
to him again. And uh, you know uh in Georgia too,
you know his daughter And that is a that's a
whole other subject that and that we need to do
an episode on that. Sometimes Steve to talk about the
(32:43):
the price of of and just specifically just focus on
families and what what it did to people in that.
But getting back to Diana, like all all she wanted
was for him to be good, for him to be healthy,
to be a dad for their children, and this business
(33:04):
was not gonna let her happen. No.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
And and interesting because even before the match starts on
Summer some ninety two. You are ringside. You've been you've
been backstage all night long doing interviews, but now you're
front and senate. You have Diana, And with wrestlers, we
have seen them cut promos where they use their puns
because of their names or such. The interview you do
with Diana, it's not smooth, it's not crisp. It's from
(33:29):
the heart. It feels like it seems like even at
one point they tell you in your earpiece you gotta
wrap her up because she's really sharing her thoughts and feelings.
And if you watch this interview, she's talking, she's talking,
he's talking, and you you actually was pulled the microphone
away from her and you're like, well, thanks, Diana, we
have to go to the ring side because she is
really spilling your guts to you in front of eighty
(33:49):
thousand people. Do you have any memories of what was
their prep? Did you just sit down and you're like,
all right, we're gonna ask you this and then we're
gonna go through that.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Well, not necessarily, I mean, I you know, I certainly
told her this is what I'm going to ask you,
and so she could be prepared. But I will tell
you though that I think what what why she was
so willing to do this. I had had the opportunity
to be around them a lot before that and had
conversations with with Diana, so she was very comfortable with me.
(34:21):
And as I said, you know, this was all this
was real. I mean, we know how professionals wrestling stories,
you know, scrape reality very often, but this one, man,
this was as raw as it gets because of what
had happened over that summer. And so when she got
(34:44):
the opportunity and I think all of that emotion that
was going on, I'm just kind of like, I just
got to tell somebody, you know, it was could imagine
the being ring side there, Stu and Helen aren't there
and it's Diana and you know, and not really not
knowing what is going to happen here. It could be awful.
(35:07):
And that's my husband and that's my brother. So uh I,
I totally agree with you as far as you know,
when it was just so real and it was that
was all what she was experiencing. And it was another
one of those where I didn't want to pull that
mic away, but they're barking in my ear. And I
(35:27):
understand we've got time constraints here, but I just felt
it was, you know, so compelling that I was thinking,
you know, this is not this. People aren't at home
going yeah, yeah, this is something that they worked up
or whatever. They're like, Man, Jesus, she's this is what
she's feeling. And I can't. And I think a lot
of people felt for her. I can't. I would imagine
there were people that were welling up when they're listening
(35:49):
to her because you know that this is what was
going on, and we're all waiting to see, Okay, what's
going to happen because it was going down.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
And twos even before this they even announced this, you know,
a few weeks before, Hey, we'll be at Wembley, but
Bulldogs out when this is all kind of being put together.
Bulldog's out for six weeks being suspended for steroid use,
and then we have him smoking crack with Jim Knidheart.
Then we have the fallout after where he gets fired
in the end of ninety two because of getting steroids
(36:21):
through Warrior that's being sent to his house. It's like
there's a lot of man like Brett was a lot
of people are trying to help you, at least bulldog.
Now I'm not bulldog. So again we talked about the
price of fame and the things you have to do
sometimes to stay there, and unfortunately, I imagine it's unraveling
quickly for him in ninety two, where you're getting all
these chances, but yet you're still blowing them because you're
(36:41):
stuck in the way you were functioning. Everyone wants you
to function a different way, but you can't. You don't
know how to. And so I'm not putting blame on him,
but it's really like, how many chances do you get, sir,
because you've been given multiple ones and people keep trying
to help you and it's not turning out the right way.
And I don't know, it's very interesting like that. But
(37:02):
let's see if the last Diana heart clip will play
before we move.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
On, because but before you get to it, though, I
do I want to say though, and I know I'll
say this directly people out there listening to that. You know,
if you've ever dealt with an addict, and uh, you know,
I've heard people say before they'll they'll break your heart
a thousand times and it's true. Uh, you know, my
family where you you can't understand it. Were so many
(37:32):
of us are trying to help you. They get you
into places that are going to help you, and you're
just praying to God that that it's going to work
this time, and and so many opportunities, like how could
you blew it? And now you're you want to go
do that and that's where you are, and you did
this and and you you know you can't understand it. Well,
that's the demon of it. That is, you have no
(37:54):
idea what you're up against. And until a person, as
you've heard it over and over again, until they decide
that that's it and they change their life, and you're
not going to do it. And so that is the
situation there because you look at you like you just said,
Davey boy had all these these chances. So many people
wanted him to succeed, uh, you know, Vince, and not
(38:16):
just necessarily because it was good business. He was going
to be good business and everybody else around him. And
yet you think like, how could he do that? Well,
in many ways he wasn't in control of it, right.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
And I think that's again it's we talked about it.
Fourth so many wrestlers have passway at young ages, clearly
for reasons that are beyond their control. And people will
be like, well, why couldn't they control it? As you
brought up, Well, you don't know the situation. You don't
know them, You have no idea what's going through their
brains or their body. So sometimes we have to go,
well that's suck, but I'm not them. But let's see
if this lost people play and.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
He and Davey did this, you know, did this and
first main event however, that wasn't a world title and
their first you pay per view, not main event, but
first pay per view that wasn't world's title. And there
was some uh you know, nitpicking in the background leading
(39:12):
up to that about that Brent Davey shouldn't be main
event and the world felt always always his main event,
and uh so I knew that they had a lot
to prove. And I was also so worried about Davy's leg,
and I just I was a nervous wreck.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
I always I remember, I remember, but they.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Stole the show.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Stole the show, and that's that's where I want. And
that's interesting too. Is another aspect to all of this
is this is definitely gonna have to be a two
parter or some of some money too, because because this
match it needs the love and it needs the actual
dedication to it. Because Diana saying that there was clearly
some issues backstage, because imagine, I asked you, I think
(40:00):
last week SummerSlam nineteen ninety, I said, hey, you know,
the main event is Warrior versus Reck cru world title.
Should have that been the main event? And you said
the world title should be the main event. But yet
here we are. It's London, England, though, perfect crowd, perfect opponent,
perfect everything. So I think that's okay. Was their issues
backstage with Machamen and Warrior and Flayir and these characters
(40:21):
being put in the middle versus not at the end.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
No, I think everybody understood the enormity of that matchup
and playing off, you know, the whole British the UK
angle of it with Davy Boy, and everybody understood all that.
So I don't think that was the case. You know that,
As we said, when it all comes down to it,
(40:48):
these guys are are businessman. They're go, Okay, what's going
to make us the most money? And where am I
going to How am I going to capitalize on this
one wor or the other. So I don't think that
was the case. One more thing I want to say
about that with with the with Davy Boy is, you know,
it reminds me and it was just something as we
got into that about addiction, and it kind of reminded me.
(41:09):
It reminded me of you know that that people have
had somebody in the family and it's there's a big
event and and dad cleans up for a couple of days,
what puts a suit on, and he comes and he's charming,
and he does everything you need him to do, and
you're like, that's him, that's him. And then you know,
Monday morning he's back on the couch with a bottle
(41:31):
and you don't understand why. And uh and I I'm
not I don't need to take it like that low,
but I'm just saying that that there was like that
feeling I think afterwards because everybody wanted to see Davy
Boy back in that suit. And uh. So it's it's
(41:52):
one of those things. I still think about that and
every now and then and and uh and and wish
that it could have been different. I wish that Harry
still had his dad on this planet, which Georgia still
had her dad on this planet, but he lost he
lost that to that, to that demon, and it's it's
it's really sad. Getting back to your point there that
(42:15):
I just think that, as you said, you know, you
need like that championship or whatever, but this was an
exception to have that double main event, and I think
and when you look at it, everybody, I mean, come on,
let's be honest. What was the main event? It was
bretton Davy Boy. Yeah for that events, no question about it.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah, it certainly wasn't going to be Who's in the
corner of Ma Joe manor Warrior. Yeah, that's that'll take
another hour and forty five minutes and me pitching about
the storyline. Hope you have the time, Moony, But no.
In Brett's book, though, he did say after thirty seven
grueling minutes, I lay in the mat feigning being heartbroken,
(42:58):
but in fact I was elated. I was also exhausted,
in considerable pain. But I knew that handshake at the
end would top it all off, the last detail in
this drama. And it does. Because the heart family in
the WWF up into the Montreal screw Job, they were
center for so many dramatic storylines involving intertwining brother brother
(43:22):
in law situations, sister in law situations, sisters in situations,
other brothers who weren't active, like Brett Hart in the
Heart Family. You know, when Cody Woods comes out and says,
you know, more than one royal family Bert the Heart Foundation,
I'm sorry, I like the kings of the families in
professional wrestling. You have Greno's, you have McMahon's, you have
the Roads, you have so many. But it's hard to
(43:45):
argue that Stu Hart, the architect of it all, didn't
contribute to professional wrestling over decades. We have Natalia Harry Smith,
you know, Tyson Kidd being married in to nat being
part of the family. It's endless. You know when people
talk about sam Owen dynasties, the Heart Dynasty is still
going strong.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Yeah, and look how many of those guys came through
Stampede uh into the WWF without being necessarily being blood relatives.
But they were as much of that part of that
family and that legacy as every everyone else. And you're right,
I don't there's I don't think there is a family
that had more of an impact. And I appreciate you,
(44:25):
uh clearing up that it was thirty seven minutes, I
said twenty six or something before, so I know, but
I'll say that that just saves that just saves somebody
from having to do a comment. Okay, we're all good guys.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Know they shut they shut it off there, they shut
it off there. When I'm looking.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Line, he doesn't know anything, but uh yeah it uh
you know, the impact is forever lasting, and in many ways,
it's it's fortunate that that it all played out that
way because look what we have benefited in the world
professional wrestling because of it. But there was a lot
(45:03):
of tragedy that came with it too.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yes, and you know I becrosse being cursed by Papa
Shanga would be one of them. No, well, that's probably
the worst thing that came out of this. I was shocked,
honestly after I just was sitting there last last night.
I had time, so I was sitting there doing work
on my computer while also watching Superstars, and I kept
waiting for them to show Brett Hart or show Bulldog
(45:25):
and they just didn't. They wouldn't stop talking about Warrior
and Savage and Rick Flair and Mister Perfect and Barby
heated like that was the center point, and I get
why because I because I have a feeling though, because
we're gonna have probably to wrap us up soon because
the real world life timing.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
But we didn't even get to l O D I
mean Alloy.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
You mean rock O. But yes, I will say this
is gonna have to be for one, I was ninety
two because I wanted what I did, nots and I
got all together. I'm like, this needs to be dedicated.
Bulldog and Davy need the time because of how good
it is that even WWE WHO over years, even when
(46:07):
Brett Hart would leave to go to WCW or being
screwed out in the Montreal screw Job, even after Bulldog
leaving his web. Anytime there's a top ten or top
twenty five, thirty SummerSlam matches top three always are involving
Bulldog and Brett Hart. In last year when they did
the poll, Brett Hart and Bulldog one, that's nineteen ninety
(46:28):
two newer fans to date probably and maybe hasn't even
seen that match, but still the ww' is voting this
is always going to be the best match, and I agree.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Yeah, and I really appreciate you pulling those bites of
Diana because it's great. You know, this match has been
talked about, you know, for years, but I don't know
if people really have ever heard that side and really
what was behind the scenes and hearing it straight from
Diana that there was it was there was just so
(47:03):
much emotion involved in this. It was it was real
life and it wasn't just about wrestling. It wasn't about
a wrestling match in at Wembley Stadium in England. There
was just so much more at stake and so much
more happening behind the scenes, and so it was great.
It was great to hear from I totally had forgotten
(47:25):
about those those bites and just to hear him again,
it just brought it all back. And really I encourage
you folks to go and listen to that episode and
of course others on Prime Time with Sean Mooney and
and check him out. But that that conversation was great
and really I got to know that family pretty well.
(47:45):
And it's been a while. I saw I saw Harry
a few years ago, but really just a great, great
family and it's it's just unfortunate, as I said that
that Davy boy didn't make it through because you know,
deep down he was a great guy. I always really
loved being around Davy, and it's just unfortunately that all
(48:06):
those vices and demons were able to overtake him, because
you know, they deserve to have him.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
That's true, and you know, we don't really talk about it.
The entrance ramp of how long it is? Like Bredhouse
music plays twice because so long and uh and Bulldog
comes out I think with Lennox Lewis and he's holding
the flag and so he comes out and everyone is
just going crazy. And I think we'll dive into that
on part two. Really, but the audience when you watch
(48:36):
this event and you hear stories about this main event
and you're like, yeah, it's really good. It's really good.
But there's a lot of like the fans are kind
of hush during this matchup. They're very they're interested, they're
very in tune to what's going on the other matches.
With the l D they're just going like, ah, like
Doug fans going but zerker crazy, which is fine, but
when you get to this match, it's they are tuned in.
(48:57):
They're like, oh, okay, I will clap, I will make
noise too. But I'm going to watch everything because it
is a wrestling clinic and we've said it a thousand
times probably here, but it's magic in the ring. The
matt is the canvas, they are the artists, and they
painted a goddamn picture and still to this day we
are talking about how great this match was. So this
is part one of SummerSlam nineteen ninety two, because next
(49:20):
time we get together, I Am going to talk for
fifty minutes about my anger about but Macho Man an
Ultimate Warrior and that storyline involving Rick Flair, will talk
about rock O the Puppet with L. D. Nails more
backstage interviews with you all night long. But yeah, we
have so much We have so much more to talk
(49:41):
about next time. But Sean Mooney, thank you for those
bites from Diana Hart because that interview is magical as
well if you want to check it out Primetime with
Sean Mooney. But thanks for enjoying this episode Part one
Summer Said ninety two. I'm ce fall He Shaan Mooney,
have a wonderful day and we'll see you next time.
Bub Bye.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Hey,
What is going on? Wrestling fans? It's Oh is he dancing? Oh,
he's stretching.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
He's getting ready, I'm stretching.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Then Era podcast with Sean Mooney.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This one, we're gonna have to be in shape. I
don't know if we can get it all in. We
may have to come back because there is so much
involved in this episode, So let's get to it.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
That's a good point. That's a good point. It's Summer
Slim nineteen nine.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh, by the way, good to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Hi, good to see you as well. It's not like
you text me, you know, at midnight when I'm sleeping. Now,
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
No, I do. It's true he does.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Behind the curtain, he does. But Summer Slim nineteen ninety
two is one of those like, oh my god, look
at this moment, the monumental matches, the spectacle, you know,
when people talk about wrestling at nine being like this
was the beginning of everything. I'm sorry, Summer Slim ninety two,
don't sleep on this one, baby, because I watched a
full show the other day Peacock, and I've watched just
(01:01):
in like fifteen twenty years. Dude stands up to the
test of time. The audience is into what. But question
to you before we even start, is Brett the Hitman,
Harvest the British Bulldog the greatest Summer Slam match ever?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Oh, Summer Slim. I think it's one of the greatest
matches ever. I go that far and you can go
back in history, and when anybody has ever asked me
what my favorite event was, I always say Summer Slam
ninety two. For so many reasons. There is just layer
after layer after layer in this We really we could
(01:36):
go on, probably do about six hours on this thing
if we really wanted to dive deep. But let's get
to what we can. But it is, it remains, really
it is to me one of the greatest events ever,
just for not just the matches, but just everything that
was going on and the aftermath. Yes, yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
It it's very interesting to think about this event because
look at the past, in the Golden era, how many
times did they really go out far beyond the United States.
You can count Canada for a sky dome Wrestmania six.
But I'm no disparaging my Canadian fans out there, but
that's not that far. We can drive there. We in
the United States, we can't drive to London, England, and
(02:21):
so when you think of an event happening like that, Wow,
there must have been a lot of on the line here.
You go back to WrestleMania one being such a great event.
There's so much money and this could go wrong. In
my opinion, if this doesn't go the way it does go,
that could have really hurt the business. It's already suffering
at this point.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, and that's what I was going to say. You know,
you talk about the fact that we're going to cross
the pond, but it needed to succeed for a number
of reasons because business was not going well in the States.
Also that included you know, Canada, and so they needed
a spark, They needed something to reignite, you know, that interest.
(03:01):
And they had been over to the UK testing the
waters and to see how it was going to go.
And initially it took off that it didn't do tremendously well.
So the fact that it had started really to start
to build again, and I've talked about it before, where
we started doing a lot of promotional stuff, me directly
(03:22):
doing a local feel to it and reaching out to
that UK audience. Because it had started to build, they
sensed it and they were going to have this event
here in the States and realized it's not going to
be great. It's not we're not getting any kind of
a reaction that we would expect. So we've got to
(03:42):
do something that's going to shake it up. And what
better way than let's go to the UK. And remember, now,
this is a point in WWE history where you know,
they really haven't expanded across the globe. They've certainly gone
to different places and done shows, but not on a
level where started developing something when they would do it
on a regular basis. So this really was a big
(04:05):
test for the company and so many things involved, so
much at stake Steve here, because as you said, they
really needed something to happen because things weren't going well,
and they did need to start having this global attraction,
and this they were hoping was going to be the
real real start of it.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
And when you think about it, the Golden Era really
surrounds hul Cogan. So it's the first pay per review
in the WWF's history that does not have hul Cogan
on the poster. In a match, in any situation at all,
you're depending on a lot of local like British Bulldog.
You're in Colin Champion and Brett Hart coming up, you
have Savage, you have Warrior, but no Hogan. When you
(04:48):
were in the company, was there a consensus like well,
I know the pay per view coming up, but like
can we get Jhole Cogan to be here too?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah? Well, there was a sense really that things were
not going well. They try to, you know, put on
a good front that we've got things in the works,
We've got talent being developed here, you know, all this
is going on, but there really was an underlying sense
of panic of like what in the world, what's going on?
(05:15):
And uh, you know, within a year's or the door
is going to be open. I mean it was kind
of that that feeling, and you know, it didn't get
down to that point, but there was certainly that feeling
of Okay, what's going to go on here? And especially
you know, had Hulk Mania really just run its course
and if that were the case, Okay, where do we
go from here. We've got you know, Warrior who's just
(05:40):
you know, volatile and an unstable talent that you don't
know what he's going to do. Macho man is you
know somebody that's a solid performer. But then you know
that there's this whole thing of you know, these aging stars,
which is really funny to think about today when you
see still in the ring in their fifties. But at
the time, there was feeling that we've got this youth movement,
(06:02):
We've really got to do something, and so there was
a lot at stake, there really was, and it was
one of those things we could do. We need Hulkster
again to pull them out of this, and it was
just at that point had you know, it was tired.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, the rumor of being in Maryland is one of
those things some of us on ninety two in Maryland
really like, that's what we're gonna do here. Okay, I
guess you know it tried and true Maryland, but yeah,
it is finalized that are gonna go to London, England.
Wembley's Stadium of all places, that's and it's great to
see this because a lot of stadiums from this time
the golden erarow they've been change, you know, destroyed, rebuilt
(06:42):
that it's great to see that. Actually Wembley Stadium, you know,
innovations here and there, but still a standing facility and
ticket sales for this were bonkers because online there's two
ways to look at this. Online they're like, well six
hours went by, eighty thousand fans bought tickets. Realistically, I
don't know how it's possible, but hey, maybe it was,
but it but that amount being put together in five
(07:06):
days what some people also say, that's still an amazing thing.
Nothing is written, there's no matches, it's just the WWF
is coming to town. Do you want to see us?
And they're there, and that really shows you the opening
of this SummerSlam where they show you, you know, the
locals all getting ready to go into the arena, and
I love this one kid. He says the British bool
(07:28):
does don't to win, whether he wants to or not.
And I'm still someone found that person, mooney, somebody finds.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
That is that an English accent? You sounded more like
Greta Tunberg there, But get I get what you're trying
to do there.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Shut up, mooney.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
But but you know, talking about these ticket sales, they
didn't They could have taken a safe route, I guess,
you know, and they could have done it at Royal
Albert Hall and made it this big, you know, but
that was a big leap of faith to think that
you're gonna fill Wembley Stadium. And whether or not it
was sixty five thousand seats sold right immediately, you know,
(08:05):
within once that was announced, or if it was sold out, whatever,
but that's still incredible end you can't deny. I mean,
whatever the numbers go up, it was eighty thousand plus
that they got into Wembley Stadium. I happened to think
that it was the event center that was personally responsible
for all that, but that's that's another discussion. Agreed I did.
(08:28):
But but really just the fact, I mean, that's that's
unbelievable that, as I said, you know there it was
iffy earlier on there that they when they first got
over there and they got a great reaction, but not tremendous,
and then you have this this bill it started, and
(08:48):
so the fact that they were able to you know,
literally cash in on that when that was was happening
and generate that excitement was phenomenal. And I think a
lot of it had to do with that the match
up that they had designed, and Brett Hart was certainly
behind it, had pitched it to Vince and sold them
(09:09):
on it. But what better way than to bring you know,
the country's own Davy boy Smith there and and have
this great, big match against Brett Hart. That was a
big part of it.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Oh and because it's so interesting that earlier in the summer,
Brett Hart pitched to Vincic Man, Hey, I want to
have a ladder match with Sean Michaels. You want to
drop the title to Sean Michaels. Let's have a ladder match, Vince, like,
what the hell's aren't So they have to do a
performance And it's actually on a coliseum video. You could
buy that later on. And it's funny because people thought
a lot of matches were invented a Rustmennye at ten
with Sew Michaels and Raisin A Moan, but no one
(09:47):
really knew at that time about that match. And then
this was gonna happen. It's gonna be Brett ver Shushan
drop the title here. But instead we get the idea
of local boy does great bulldog Brett Hart SummerSlam Intercontinental
title the main event. Now, we have not actually seen
the Icy Championship being the main event of SummerSlam or
wrestle Mania or any event by itself. A pay per
(10:09):
review by itself. We saw it Russman the six Warrior
was Icy Champion versus Hogan, but this is by itself.
Now we're gonna play some clips though from an interview
you did with Diana Hart, British Bulldog's wife and Brett
Hart's sister, and this event. We're gonna jump in deep
here because when you think of Summer Slam ninety two,
(10:30):
you always hear rumors that Bulldog was on drugs and
he couldn't compete and Brett carried them on fucked. We
always hear that line. That's a better impression, all right,
So let's get to what Diana Hart thinks about Bulldog
being on drugs before this event and not being able
to carry his own here, because this is where we're
(10:50):
gonna have to start also reading quotes Brett Hart's book,
because now we're gonna find out the truth was Bulldog
on drugs? Let's find out from Diana first.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
When you look at that that match and regardless of
how it really went down, I mean, Brett, uh, you
know Davy had not been in the ring for a while.
That besides the fact you know that he was professional
for so long. But when you're not in the ring.
It's it's tough to just step back in there. And
you know, Brett says that he kind of called the
match or and that Davy you know, said I'm fooked
(11:23):
when he went in there and said, but how do
you think because I've watched that match a couple of
times and he didn't miss a spot it. I mean,
you and I was, you know, you're looking and I don't.
You could see there might have been a few times.
Worry Brett, you know, talks to or whatever. But how
do you think he pulled that match off? Because it
(11:44):
really I know it was match of the year for many,
but that to me was one of the greatest performances
I've ever seen on both their parts. But it was
just how do you think he pulled it off?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Well, you know that's twofold. I go down to my
go to my grave.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Testifying or whatever, swearing that Davy was not on drugs
in that match. And if he was on drugs the
way Bratt says, how does I mean, how great does
that make Davy?
Speaker 4 (12:24):
I mean, I don't even if it wasn't even just
the physical condition that he had, mean this coming off
whatever that period of time of being that sick as
you described he was.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I just think, you know, brat get Davey had a
lot of great matches, So don't act like, you know,
the only great match you ever had was because you
apparently called every spot in the ring. And you know,
shame on you for getting caught on camera talking because
if you're the you know, great pro, you don't you
don't get seen talking, you know, you just but he
(13:00):
I don't recall Davy saying I'm fulked. I don't recall that,
and there's no way for me to ever know that
that was said. But Brett makes out like Davy was
a complete zombie and he carried him through that. It's like,
well if he was look at the what a job like,
look at like, oh, you know that guy was on
(13:21):
drugs and he did that match. He was suffering from
a staff infection for six weeks and and completely out
of it and he had that match. Like I would say,
hats off to Davy boy Smith more than hats off
to Brett.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
But it takes two to.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Have That's exactly right. Yeah, that was a great conversation
with Diana and uh I had the great fortune to
get to know, not only Diana but also Harry, Davy's
son pretty well. And uh, you know, it's it's interesting
that family is Uh, it's the dynamic of that even
(14:00):
to this day there's bitterness and everything, and the disagreement
and the debate rages on. As you said, you know
we'll get answers. Well, no, we still don't have the
real answers on it. But what I really would say
about it though, is and Diana had a great point
here regardless of how Davy boy Smith got into that ring,
(14:21):
whether it was you know, because he had ring rusted me,
my god, he had really hadn't been in the ring,
and of course I say, you know, you're a professional.
It's like a dance and you get back, but you
know it. You can't just step in there and have
a match like that. So whether it was some kind
of you know, medically you're talking that the conditioning and
(14:42):
he if he had suffered this staff infection and was
still feeling the effects, or as like in Brett's book
that he's smoking crack with Jim Knightheart the day before
they leave. I'm just telling when you look at that match,
and Steve, I know you'll back me up on this.
Whatever happened once they stepped inside those ropes, it was magic.
(15:05):
It was just it is a I don't certainly, I
was never in the ring. I can't sit there and
pick everything out there and maybe a misstep here, a
misstep there.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
But.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
It's very difficult really to find it. It wasn't a mess.
There wasn't him falling down to them missing and Brett
having you you know, folks they do their words are
exchanged during those matches. It's everybody does it. It wasn't
like something unusual that Brett wouldn't be. You know, they
say things to each other, but if you watch that,
you rarely see a lot of that going on at all.
(15:38):
So somehow whether it was and we've seen and talked
about other superstars and guys in the ring when they
could be barely crawling to the ring and once they
get in those ropes, they're a different human being. And
that's the way I feel about that match. It was
just incredible. It was a great, great match up. It
(15:59):
wasn't just greatest SummerSlam match to me, and and the
fact that that was all involved there and Brett uh
deserves an awful lot of credit on this about the
fact of him envisioning what they were going to do
in this match. He he talks about in his book
how he you know, thought about it every single night.
And Brett was one of those guys as a tactician
(16:21):
that you know, he would you know, plot out his matches.
He saw all of them happen in here before he
even got in the ring with somebody, especially when it
was something as important as this. So he lived, ate
and breathed that match that whole time before they went
to England. And uh, I don't think he gets enough
(16:42):
credit for how what a brilliant, you know, wrestling mind
he has that he would pull things and remember matches
from decades before and put it somewhere, saying, one day
that's going to work somewhere. Yeah, and and so you know,
we'd love to have those answers. We're never going to
get them because you see right there, those are two
(17:03):
family members who have completely opposing views as to what happened.
And if you really want to get into it from
Brett's side, But man, read that book hit Man. I
think is one of the greatest wrestling books ever written.
And really it's a long read. It's a long read,
but man, it's you talk about this, you know, genuine
(17:23):
lays it out there, and you can agree with him
or disagree with him, but it is a fascinating look
into his life and how he sees professional wrestling. But
this matchup was was just phenomenal. And Brett mentions how
when that thing was over twenty something minutes later, twenty
six minutes I think it was. He's laying on his
(17:46):
back in the ring there and he says, you know,
I am elated because he knew, he knew what they did,
and then it was going to be that culmination with
the handshake, and uh, I honestly, I even me talking
about it now, I get I get the I get
chills because I just remember it so vividly. And I've
(18:10):
talked about this before because you know, you've seen the
interview I did ringside with Diana, but I had kind
of lived through that too, of all what was going
on behind the scenes. Everybody knew. Everybody's like, what's gonna happen.
He's going to go in there and just made humiliate himself,
and you know, I mean, it could have gone so wrong.
And when that was over, and I remember seeing Diana
(18:33):
at ringside. I mean, you could just see it was
just like oh, like oh, because she she wanted both
of them to succeed. Whether there was this animosity and
there was trust beyond the fact that it at that
moment in time and they did it and it was phenomenal,
and that that what happened in that ring after was
(18:55):
so genuine because they both realized they did it, and
it is It's just a chapter and professional wrestling that
is just storied and really one of the greatest, uh
from start to finish, greatest stories in wrestling.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, Bert Hart and his book said that he woke
his wife up at three in the morning once he
he woke up from a he was dreaming of the
finish of the match and he's he he woke up,
he made his wife get up and woke her up
and said, we need to try this out to see
if it will work. And so he's so he tried
the ending of this match, flipping over and holding down
the legs and getting on top, and that's how he
(19:35):
had his fifth child. But that's exactly how.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
No, that the.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Rest of the rest is but SI, you know, that's
what we do here on the Golden Air podcast. But
this is one of the quotes from Brett Hart's book,
and that's why like the idea of Davy going into
this and if his wife, even his wife was like, well,
I'm not sure if he was messed up or not,
but if he did, look at that great match. And
that's true because after, like I'll be honest, after like
say I have like four beers, don't ask me to
go ride a bike somewhere. You're like, oh, this guy's
(20:06):
out there not in the best shape, or or we
d time on a bike, but tour two sometimes it depends.
But yet with him, if he was messed up, he
pulled off a magical masterpiece. But this is one of
these quotes. I want to read that this is really
going and be like, oh, okay, this is Tart's book
(20:28):
saying this. I constantly phoned Davy down in Florida, but
all Diana could tell me was that he was out
with Jim the Anvil Nightheart somewhere. I finally tracked Jim
down just hours before I was leaving for England and
was shocked when he told me that he'd just taken
Davy and Diana to the airport. Davy was high as
a kite when he caught the flight, Jim said, because
he's been up all night smoking crack with him. Jim
told me that Davy had a grill on his back
(20:49):
and he was worried about him. I wish Jim would
take a good look at himself. Davy was high as
a kite. So we're about to get to Wembley Stadium
and we're smoking crack and we're getting an airplane and
we're coming over and Jim, the Abel Knighthart, who's had
a passed as well, is tell him Brett like, yeah,
(21:12):
I know I messed up, but this guy who's coming
to fight you, he is he's worse off than I thought.
And that, to me is one of those moments of
going like, oh, this isn't this is uh, this could
go seriously wrong quick, but it doesn't. It luckily it doesn't.
But I do want to play another video from Diana
talking to you, and it's about the match because Brett Hard,
(21:35):
if you looked at any of the past pay per
view matches he's had, usually his parents are ringside for
big moments. This is one of Burt Hart's biggest matches,
but his parents aren't there. Why are they not there?
Let's figure that out after this clip. Nope, that clip
didn't want to play folks, that's unfortunate. Pretty much what
(21:57):
she said was Brett was like, yeah, you know, want
your parents there, Diana, Our parents, they shouldn't come. They
shouldn't watch this because you know, I'm you know, British
pull was gonna beat me in. It's not really that important,
so you shouldn't be there. And I'm like, when I
heard that clip, I was like, uh, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Well see now that gives you a little bit of
a clue that maybe there was some doubt in Brett's
mind that he wasn't sure if Brett was going to
I mean, if that Davy boy was going to be
able to pull this off, and uh, you know, and
I'm sure that Vince is asking him, you know, is
(22:38):
he going to be able to do this? And Brett's oh, yeah,
of course, you know sure, because he didn't not want
this match to happen. So he was all in saying,
no matter what, we're going to be in there. I'm
going to get him in there, and uh, we're going
to see what happens. He was laying it all on
the line because it would not necessarily have just gone
bad for Davy. Boy Brett goes down with that ship too.
(23:01):
He's on it, and if it's burning and there's nothing
and he can't put that fire out, then he goes
down with it. So that was really what I drew
from that.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
That.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Maybe there was that and he did not want his
parents there to see it happen, because you're right, you know,
Stu and Helen were at a lot of those I mean,
they were a fixture. I remember seeing them all the
time at Ringside, and it was, you know, they could
make the trip. It wasn't that far really, right. So
(23:34):
that's that's really what I took from that, is that
maybe there was just that slight doubt in Brett's mind
that he and he didn't want them there to see
it happen.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, I imagine that's one of the reasoning. I was
just thought it was funny because Diana and that was like, yeah,
I could tell like Brett didn't really want the parents
there for reasons, you know, certain reasons. But either way.
He's another quote though, from Brehardt's book, when I asked
Davy why he hadn't returned my calls all summer he
wasn't able to look me in the eye. He fessed up.
He's been smoking crack with Jim for weeks and now
(24:09):
was terrified. He's gone back to being that same helpless
kid I rescued from Dynamites ten years earlier. Trust me, Davy,
I'll do whatever I can to get you through tomorrow.
He nodded, and I sat him down for a crash course,
going over and over and over on match, making him
recite the moves back to me. It was now completely
up to me to save our match. So there you go.
(24:29):
There's some indication of why Davy's able to pull off
this amazing match because even if he was messed up,
Brett forced him to sit there and recite back to
him the match, even that rumor of thing.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Fuked well, like.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
He in Bernhardt's he saying like, hey, I sat you
down and we did went through this shit.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
But also, I mean remember Brett also says that once
they got in the ring, Davy boy, when he said
I'm folked, he was basically saying, I forgot everything you
told me yesterday. That you know. That's it's so you
can imagine the the the realization that Brett saying you know.
I mean, we're in front of eighty thousand bo I
(25:07):
don't know how many millions are out there watching, and
he's just gonna blank on me, you know. So I
think that once they started it was somehow it must
have kicked in with Davy Boy, because, like I said,
you can lead a match, but you're still gonna it's
gonna be there's gonna be lags, there's gonna be there's
(25:27):
gonna be mistakes no matter what you do. So whatever happened, somehow,
Davy Boy put it together because I said, I, you know,
watch that match, folks, check it out, and I'd love
to hear the comments about what people think when they
watch that through and and watch it with that you know,
that trained eye of how many times you've watched matches
(25:49):
over the years and you've picked up on things that
these professional wrestlers do and see if you can catch
these And I honestly, I didn't not see anything that
would be of major like, oh my god, I can't
believe that happened, because it was it was just it
was an entertaining day, up and down. They took the
(26:10):
audience with them. It was it was phenomenal. So whatever
took place in those opening minutes of that match. Davy
Boy went into another place and rose to the occasion
and had one of the matches of his life. And
I'm sure he knew it when it was over. That's
(26:31):
what you when they're standing in that ring. That's all there.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
It's true. But you know what's really it's really messed up,
is that I had some time recently, so I watched
on Peacock Superstars the three weeks after Summer Slams. I
watched the one after, week before and the week after,
so I watched them all in a row. And what
really is daunting when you watch those they show you
a clip in the beginning of the first Superstars after
Summer Slim ninety two of Bulldog winning like whoop, a
(26:56):
little little dinky clip. Three weeks go by. Bulldog never
has a promo, he's never showcased on television, he doesn't
have a goddamn match Brett Hart. He shows up two
weeks later, and what they're suggesting on commentary is that
fucking Papa Shango put a curse on him and that's
the reason he lost theater Continental title. They're harping on
(27:19):
what happens with Warrior in Savage and Flay, which we'll
talk about a little bit. But is that shocking that
when we think about Brett Harper's Bulldog being the greatest
Summer slim of all match of all time, even best
match of all time in the WWE in f but
the aftermath doesn't connect those pieces. The aftermath is Papa
Shanko put a curse on Brett and Bulldog's missing from TV.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, that's a bit of a stretch. Yeah, no, what
he's talking about it?
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Of course it happened, because.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Okay, so why do you think that was going on?
Could it have possibly been that they're thinking that maybe
Davy boy is not as dependable and he's not in
a great place. And when that's all over, because you know,
they talked about it that you know that would have
(28:05):
you would have thought that really would have boosted his
competence and then saying okay, I'm back, I can do
this if I can do it that in that shape.
But I think we know if and I don't know
if this lends any credence to drug use or whatever,
but if you know how that works, it's not like
(28:26):
you're done and it's over, you know, you're back on
track and I own I'm never going to do that again.
So I think that that's I think that's why we
saw that. Yeah, and it wasn't you know, we saw
the same thing with the with the carry about Eric
that you know, they could be brilliant in the ring
and then you don't know what's going on behind the scenes,
(28:49):
and it gets harder and harder for them because they
are dependent on so many chemicals and every and other
devices that advices. I should say that you know that
are not good for a human being staying healthy. And
so it's unfortunately, because you're right, it should have man,
that should have you talked about a build right there.
(29:11):
I mean that coming off that should have been gigantic
and as we talked, look where we look where we
were at the time, and now you got something. It
wasn't just a UK thing. It wasn't just okay, made
those folks happy in the United Kingdom. It's not going
to sell over there. Hell yeah it is. So yeah,
that's that's what's uh. I mean, come on, come up
(29:35):
with something better than Papa Shango. I love Papa Shango
by a curse that made them lose After saying that match,
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
No, it doesn't even I loved it during Superstar because
they do a double box. So it's like Brett harr
is wrestling some you know, development talent local and then
in the corner in the corner as Papashang, he's the course.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Whoa.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Then he has a book and it catches on a
fire in his hand.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I thought to myself, I don't remember this at all all.
I pushed this out of my brain so far that
Papa Shango is the reason Brett Hart lost, not Davy
Boy pinning him. It was the curse. And you know
we mentioned earlier as Brett Hart want to fight Sean
Michaels at SummerSlam, but that didn't happen. But in reality,
Brett kind of pitched Vince, Hey, I'll lose to Davy.
(30:18):
Then Davy can just lose to Sew Michaels, right and.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
In a brilliant way and make that a really great run.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, and when it was decent, and then Bulldog lost
on Saturday Night's main event and he was fired before
Survivor Series. So it is a Summer Slam. He's fired
before we get to Survivor Series. What's happening to Brett
hart sarvib series. He's currently the world champion and he's
posing with Santa Claus at the end of Savivor series.
So what a tale of two different tales of retail
(30:48):
one person one, one person lost, but in reality, the
loser of this match is the winner.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, it's a tragedy. It really is in many ways,
and as as the way it ended up, and it's
it's it's incredibly sad because I remember thinking too after
that match, Okay, all right, now now he gets now,
you know, he gets back on track here. And it
may not, you know, it's not gonna happen overnight, but
(31:17):
you know, I felt in some ways it saved him.
And I'm sure that Diana felt the same way. Nobody
really understands, and you can listen to that episode I
go back in primetime and listen to that of what
she went through, and you know, she loved him so dearly.
She loved him from the second she laid eyes on
his picture. She didn't even have to see him in person,
(31:39):
and the way it all happened, it was it really
just really tragic. And having conversations with Harry, which I
think Harry is now as old as Davy Boy was
when he passed away. And you know, he didn't have
a dad around when he was here on this planet
because of we we know all the schedule and what
(32:01):
these guys did. And he used to just and he
talked about when dad came home, he would basically like
wrap himself around his gear, you know, just to feel
a piece of that guy, you know, and he just
wanted a dad around. U not understanding, I mean, when
you're that age, how are you gonna understand why dad
has gone for three weeks and comes home for a
(32:22):
couple of days and then I got to say goodbye
to him again. And uh, you know uh in Georgia too,
you know his daughter And that is a that's a
whole other subject that and that we need to do
an episode on that. Sometimes Steve to talk about the
(32:43):
the price of of and just specifically just focus on
families and what what it did to people in that.
But getting back to Diana, like all all she wanted
was for him to be good, for him to be healthy,
to be a dad for their children, and this business
(33:04):
was not gonna let her happen. No.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
And and interesting because even before the match starts on
Summer some ninety two. You are ringside. You've been you've
been backstage all night long doing interviews, but now you're
front and senate. You have Diana, And with wrestlers, we
have seen them cut promos where they use their puns
because of their names or such. The interview you do
with Diana, it's not smooth, it's not crisp. It's from
(33:29):
the heart. It feels like it seems like even at
one point they tell you in your earpiece you gotta
wrap her up because she's really sharing her thoughts and feelings.
And if you watch this interview, she's talking, she's talking,
he's talking, and you you actually was pulled the microphone
away from her and you're like, well, thanks, Diana, we
have to go to the ring side because she is
really spilling your guts to you in front of eighty
(33:49):
thousand people. Do you have any memories of what was
their prep? Did you just sit down and you're like,
all right, we're gonna ask you this and then we're
gonna go through that.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Well, not necessarily, I mean, I you know, I certainly
told her this is what I'm going to ask you,
and so she could be prepared. But I will tell
you though that I think what what why she was
so willing to do this. I had had the opportunity
to be around them a lot before that and had
conversations with with Diana, so she was very comfortable with me.
(34:21):
And as I said, you know, this was all this
was real. I mean, we know how professionals wrestling stories,
you know, scrape reality very often, but this one, man,
this was as raw as it gets because of what
had happened over that summer. And so when she got
(34:44):
the opportunity and I think all of that emotion that
was going on, I'm just kind of like, I just
got to tell somebody, you know, it was could imagine
the being ring side there, Stu and Helen aren't there
and it's Diana and you know, and not really not
knowing what is going to happen here. It could be awful.
(35:07):
And that's my husband and that's my brother. So uh I,
I totally agree with you as far as you know,
when it was just so real and it was that
was all what she was experiencing. And it was another
one of those where I didn't want to pull that
mic away, but they're barking in my ear. And I
(35:27):
understand we've got time constraints here, but I just felt
it was, you know, so compelling that I was thinking,
you know, this is not this. People aren't at home
going yeah, yeah, this is something that they worked up
or whatever. They're like, Man, Jesus, she's this is what
she's feeling. And I can't. And I think a lot
of people felt for her. I can't. I would imagine
there were people that were welling up when they're listening
(35:49):
to her because you know that this is what was
going on, and we're all waiting to see, Okay, what's
going to happen because it was going down.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
And twos even before this they even announced this, you know,
a few weeks before, Hey, we'll be at Wembley, but
Bulldogs out when this is all kind of being put together.
Bulldog's out for six weeks being suspended for steroid use,
and then we have him smoking crack with Jim Knidheart.
Then we have the fallout after where he gets fired
in the end of ninety two because of getting steroids
(36:21):
through Warrior that's being sent to his house. It's like
there's a lot of man like Brett was a lot
of people are trying to help you, at least bulldog.
Now I'm not bulldog. So again we talked about the
price of fame and the things you have to do
sometimes to stay there, and unfortunately, I imagine it's unraveling
quickly for him in ninety two, where you're getting all
these chances, but yet you're still blowing them because you're
(36:41):
stuck in the way you were functioning. Everyone wants you
to function a different way, but you can't. You don't
know how to. And so I'm not putting blame on him,
but it's really like, how many chances do you get, sir,
because you've been given multiple ones and people keep trying
to help you and it's not turning out the right way.
And I don't know, it's very interesting like that. But
(37:02):
let's see if the last Diana heart clip will play
before we move.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
On, because but before you get to it, though, I
do I want to say though, and I know I'll
say this directly people out there listening to that. You know,
if you've ever dealt with an addict, and uh, you know,
I've heard people say before they'll they'll break your heart
a thousand times and it's true. Uh, you know, my
family where you you can't understand it. Were so many
(37:32):
of us are trying to help you. They get you
into places that are going to help you, and you're
just praying to God that that it's going to work
this time, and and so many opportunities, like how could
you blew it? And now you're you want to go
do that and that's where you are, and you did
this and and you you know you can't understand it. Well,
that's the demon of it. That is, you have no
(37:54):
idea what you're up against. And until a person, as
you've heard it over and over again, until they decide
that that's it and they change their life, and you're
not going to do it. And so that is the
situation there because you look at you like you just said,
Davey boy had all these these chances. So many people
wanted him to succeed, uh, you know, Vince, and not
(38:16):
just necessarily because it was good business. He was going
to be good business and everybody else around him. And
yet you think like, how could he do that? Well,
in many ways he wasn't in control of it, right.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
And I think that's again it's we talked about it.
Fourth so many wrestlers have passway at young ages, clearly
for reasons that are beyond their control. And people will
be like, well, why couldn't they control it? As you
brought up, Well, you don't know the situation. You don't
know them, You have no idea what's going through their
brains or their body. So sometimes we have to go,
well that's suck, but I'm not them. But let's see
if this lost people play and.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
He and Davey did this, you know, did this and
first main event however, that wasn't a world title and
their first you pay per view, not main event, but
first pay per view that wasn't world's title. And there
was some uh you know, nitpicking in the background leading
(39:12):
up to that about that Brent Davey shouldn't be main
event and the world felt always always his main event,
and uh so I knew that they had a lot
to prove. And I was also so worried about Davy's leg,
and I just I was a nervous wreck.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
I always I remember, I remember, but they.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Stole the show.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Stole the show, and that's that's where I want. And
that's interesting too. Is another aspect to all of this
is this is definitely gonna have to be a two
parter or some of some money too, because because this
match it needs the love and it needs the actual
dedication to it. Because Diana saying that there was clearly
some issues backstage, because imagine, I asked you, I think
(40:00):
last week SummerSlam nineteen ninety, I said, hey, you know,
the main event is Warrior versus Reck cru world title.
Should have that been the main event? And you said
the world title should be the main event. But yet
here we are. It's London, England, though, perfect crowd, perfect opponent,
perfect everything. So I think that's okay. Was their issues
backstage with Machamen and Warrior and Flayir and these characters
(40:21):
being put in the middle versus not at the end.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
No, I think everybody understood the enormity of that matchup
and playing off, you know, the whole British the UK
angle of it with Davy Boy, and everybody understood all that.
So I don't think that was the case. You know that,
As we said, when it all comes down to it,
(40:48):
these guys are are businessman. They're go, Okay, what's going
to make us the most money? And where am I
going to How am I going to capitalize on this
one wor or the other. So I don't think that
was the case. One more thing I want to say
about that with with the with Davy Boy is, you know,
it reminds me and it was just something as we
got into that about addiction, and it kind of reminded me.
(41:09):
It reminded me of you know that that people have
had somebody in the family and it's there's a big
event and and dad cleans up for a couple of days,
what puts a suit on, and he comes and he's charming,
and he does everything you need him to do, and
you're like, that's him, that's him. And then you know,
Monday morning he's back on the couch with a bottle
(41:31):
and you don't understand why. And uh and I I'm
not I don't need to take it like that low,
but I'm just saying that that there was like that
feeling I think afterwards because everybody wanted to see Davy
Boy back in that suit. And uh. So it's it's
(41:52):
one of those things. I still think about that and
every now and then and and uh and and wish
that it could have been different. I wish that Harry
still had his dad on this planet, which Georgia still
had her dad on this planet, but he lost he
lost that to that, to that demon, and it's it's
it's really sad. Getting back to your point there that
(42:15):
I just think that, as you said, you know, you
need like that championship or whatever, but this was an
exception to have that double main event, and I think
and when you look at it, everybody, I mean, come on,
let's be honest. What was the main event? It was
bretton Davy Boy. Yeah for that events, no question about it.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah, it certainly wasn't going to be Who's in the
corner of Ma Joe manor Warrior. Yeah, that's that'll take
another hour and forty five minutes and me pitching about
the storyline. Hope you have the time, Moony, But no.
In Brett's book, though, he did say after thirty seven
grueling minutes, I lay in the mat feigning being heartbroken,
(42:58):
but in fact I was elated. I was also exhausted,
in considerable pain. But I knew that handshake at the
end would top it all off, the last detail in
this drama. And it does. Because the heart family in
the WWF up into the Montreal screw Job, they were
center for so many dramatic storylines involving intertwining brother brother
(43:22):
in law situations, sister in law situations, sisters in situations,
other brothers who weren't active, like Brett Hart in the
Heart Family. You know, when Cody Woods comes out and says,
you know, more than one royal family Bert the Heart Foundation,
I'm sorry, I like the kings of the families in
professional wrestling. You have Greno's, you have McMahon's, you have
the Roads, you have so many. But it's hard to
(43:45):
argue that Stu Hart, the architect of it all, didn't
contribute to professional wrestling over decades. We have Natalia Harry Smith,
you know, Tyson Kidd being married in to nat being
part of the family. It's endless. You know when people
talk about sam Owen dynasties, the Heart Dynasty is still
going strong.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Yeah, and look how many of those guys came through
Stampede uh into the WWF without being necessarily being blood relatives.
But they were as much of that part of that
family and that legacy as every everyone else. And you're right,
I don't there's I don't think there is a family
that had more of an impact. And I appreciate you,
(44:25):
uh clearing up that it was thirty seven minutes, I
said twenty six or something before, so I know, but
I'll say that that just saves that just saves somebody
from having to do a comment. Okay, we're all good guys.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Know they shut they shut it off there, they shut
it off there. When I'm looking.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Line, he doesn't know anything, but uh yeah it uh
you know, the impact is forever lasting, and in many ways,
it's it's fortunate that that it all played out that
way because look what we have benefited in the world
professional wrestling because of it. But there was a lot
(45:03):
of tragedy that came with it too.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yes, and you know I becrosse being cursed by Papa
Shanga would be one of them. No, well, that's probably
the worst thing that came out of this. I was shocked,
honestly after I just was sitting there last last night.
I had time, so I was sitting there doing work
on my computer while also watching Superstars, and I kept
waiting for them to show Brett Hart or show Bulldog
(45:25):
and they just didn't. They wouldn't stop talking about Warrior
and Savage and Rick Flair and Mister Perfect and Barby
heated like that was the center point, and I get
why because I because I have a feeling though, because
we're gonna have probably to wrap us up soon because
the real world life timing.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
But we didn't even get to l O D I
mean Alloy.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
You mean rock O. But yes, I will say this
is gonna have to be for one, I was ninety
two because I wanted what I did, nots and I
got all together. I'm like, this needs to be dedicated.
Bulldog and Davy need the time because of how good
it is that even WWE WHO over years, even when
(46:07):
Brett Hart would leave to go to WCW or being
screwed out in the Montreal screw Job, even after Bulldog
leaving his web. Anytime there's a top ten or top
twenty five, thirty SummerSlam matches top three always are involving
Bulldog and Brett Hart. In last year when they did
the poll, Brett Hart and Bulldog one, that's nineteen ninety
(46:28):
two newer fans to date probably and maybe hasn't even
seen that match, but still the ww' is voting this
is always going to be the best match, and I agree.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Yeah, and I really appreciate you pulling those bites of
Diana because it's great. You know, this match has been
talked about, you know, for years, but I don't know
if people really have ever heard that side and really
what was behind the scenes and hearing it straight from
Diana that there was it was there was just so
(47:03):
much emotion involved in this. It was it was real
life and it wasn't just about wrestling. It wasn't about
a wrestling match in at Wembley Stadium in England. There
was just so much more at stake and so much
more happening behind the scenes, and so it was great.
It was great to hear from I totally had forgotten
(47:25):
about those those bites and just to hear him again,
it just brought it all back. And really I encourage
you folks to go and listen to that episode and
of course others on Prime Time with Sean Mooney and
and check him out. But that that conversation was great
and really I got to know that family pretty well.
(47:45):
And it's been a while. I saw I saw Harry
a few years ago, but really just a great, great
family and it's it's just unfortunate, as I said that
that Davy boy didn't make it through because you know,
deep down he was a great guy. I always really
loved being around Davy, and it's just unfortunately that all
(48:06):
those vices and demons were able to overtake him, because
you know, they deserve to have him.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
That's true, and you know, we don't really talk about it.
The entrance ramp of how long it is? Like Bredhouse
music plays twice because so long and uh and Bulldog
comes out I think with Lennox Lewis and he's holding
the flag and so he comes out and everyone is
just going crazy. And I think we'll dive into that
on part two. Really, but the audience when you watch
(48:36):
this event and you hear stories about this main event
and you're like, yeah, it's really good. It's really good.
But there's a lot of like the fans are kind
of hush during this matchup. They're very they're interested, they're
very in tune to what's going on the other matches.
With the l D they're just going like, ah, like
Doug fans going but zerker crazy, which is fine, but
when you get to this match, it's they are tuned in.
(48:57):
They're like, oh, okay, I will clap, I will make
noise too. But I'm going to watch everything because it
is a wrestling clinic and we've said it a thousand
times probably here, but it's magic in the ring. The
matt is the canvas, they are the artists, and they
painted a goddamn picture and still to this day we
are talking about how great this match was. So this
is part one of SummerSlam nineteen ninety two, because next
(49:20):
time we get together, I Am going to talk for
fifty minutes about my anger about but Macho Man an
Ultimate Warrior and that storyline involving Rick Flair, will talk
about rock O the Puppet with L. D. Nails more
backstage interviews with you all night long. But yeah, we
have so much We have so much more to talk
(49:41):
about next time. But Sean Mooney, thank you for those
bites from Diana Hart because that interview is magical as
well if you want to check it out Primetime with
Sean Mooney. But thanks for enjoying this episode Part one
Summer Said ninety two. I'm ce fall He Shaan Mooney,
have a wonderful day and we'll see you next time.
Bub Bye.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
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