History of Roman Reigns: The WWE Shield Era

From his shocking debut with The Shield to his journey toward becoming the Face of WWE. In this Part 1, we uncover the origins, behind-the-scenes stories, and unforgettable moments that defined The Shield Era — featuring Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose (Jon Moxley), and Roman Reigns himself.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
History Channel, time and thing.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
From Hounds of Justice to Blue Context to dog Food
to the Bloodline. We are here talking about the history
of Roman reigns right here on the History of Wrestling Channel.
Put your ones up, folks. I'm here with Ease of
the Demon Diva talking about Roman reigns. How you doing today.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
I'm so excited to be here with you. Thank you
for having me, thank you for having me talk about
Roman reigns, and I'm super happy to be reunited with you.
People might not know this, but we are og podcast buddies.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
This is true.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
I think we've known each other for at least fifteen
years now, and the fact that I have picked you
to talk about the history of Roman reigns really shows
that your love for him, especially because you named your
dog Roman.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yes, and he's about to be eight. So I want
to make sure everybody knows that this was prior to
the tribal chief. You know my well. I always tell
people when they questioned if I being at day one,
that they can ask you because I know that you know.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
What was your famous sign that you carried around at
live events for a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
If that angry Roman gives me Lady Wood.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
That's where we are, folks.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
But today We'll get to that later on, But today
this episode is all about Roman Reigns and the shield
and start ats of Over Series twenty twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
They show up in not their tactical.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Gear, but in nice, beautiful black turtlenecks, and the story,
the story though that they actually had physical shields, and
Dean Ambros was like, I'm not caitring this shit around,
and they all agreed to just throw it on the
ground and walk out. Can you imagine that Roman and
Dean and Rolin showed up with actual shields? Would that

(01:57):
be as successful as it once was?

Speaker 4 (02:00):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:00):
I think that would have looked a little lame. I mean,
it depends on the design and all that. But I
absolutely love the way that they shut up. I don't
think they needed to have shields, Like, we don't have
to be so literal about it.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
That's like, all right, you're the shields, so what should
we have obviously shields?

Speaker 3 (02:20):
No, no, no, we don't. We don't. We don't need that.
We do not we do not need that.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
And when they showed up, they beat up John Cena,
they beat up Rye Back. This was a triple threat match.
For the World Championship as Seampunk was on historic run
as a heel with Paul Hayman.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
The big thing coming out of the Survivors series though,
was the storyline and then the Internet completely different feelings
because everyone believed, oh, these three guys the Shield are
coming in to be Ciampunk's henchmen for his faction, for
his stable. But then it didn't work out that way.
Out of nowhere, they separated the Shield from Seampunk, saying no, no, no,

(02:56):
Paul Hayman hired the Shield to protect sium Punk. They
don't actually work for him, they're hired guns. It was
very weird because the Internet already figured out, like the
you know, the Dirt Sheets, got the news out that
they were brought in to be CM Punk's faction. And
then I think Vince Man does not like the Internet
knowing what's going to happen next, So we's like, oh,
they're they're not gonna be together anymore. They're just there's

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they're hounds, they're henchmen, they're justice. Like, do you think
Sam Punk having a faction while he was a top
heeld would have benefited him or he was fine on
his own?

Speaker 4 (03:28):
I think Sampunk will forever be fine on his own,
you know what I mean? Like I mean, I do.
I do agree with you that it was probably more.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Of a oh, they figured us out, so let's change
the plan on them, because they tend to do that
a lot. But seam Punk is to me somebody that
doesn't really need the addition. I mean, I I think
with Paul Hyman, don't get me wrong, but Punk on
the mic and with the backup of the fence that
he's always had, et cetera. I just don't think Sampunk
needs anybody's He's.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
On that level and the Shield with their name too.
I will forever die on this sword. I know this
is a history channel, but this is my conspiracy theory
that somebody who worked at the WWE was in a
room with Vince, and Vince's like, all, we need a
name for this faction, and someone like, well, I just
saw Avengers.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
I just saw Marvel movies. The Shield, sir, what the Shield?

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Because we know vinceic Man ain't going to the movies,
He's not going to see the current flicks. So I
believe this is my I will die on this that
somebody saw Avengers, saw Marvel movies and said, we're gonna
just name this faction the Shield, and Vince will never
figure it out. That's how I feel about that. What
do you feel about my conspiracy theories?

Speaker 1 (04:38):
I actually love it. I wasn't really keeping up with
the movies, you know, the Marvel movies at the time,
and then later on I started watching them and my
nephews like, yeah, that's probably when they got the Shield name.
And I was like, wait, wait, and now you just
said that. I will be texting him immediately after.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
Dolet him. No, he's not alone with that conspiracy.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
No, because even in thought they named it the Shield
just for the entrance music, because I love this Sierra Hotel.
In the Echo, the Shield it was.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
It was beautiful, Yes, but I will forever die on
that sword. Because even Edge in two thousand and eight
fighting Undertaker at Hell in the Cell at SummerSlam, he
was very joker like and that's when the Dark Knight
came out, and they wouldn't ever say like.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Oh, he's he's like the Joker.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
They just were like pretending that the world doesn't exist,
but we are supposed to pretend that Edge is now
acting like the Joker. But yeah, the Joker doesn't exist
in the WWE universe.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
That's how I felt about that.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
It was really bizarre that you would do this, And
because do you feel like that happens a lot.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
We're like, all right, the shield's gonna show up.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Like, don't you realize that wrestling fans cross over to
other genres music, movies, television, where they might put two
and two together and realize you copied them.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Oh, one thousand percent. It's still happening to this day, Like,
and it's funny because they recently just did a thing together.
But I know when Rhea would do the wave, I
always would think of terrifier and are the I'm like,
I'm a horror junkie, right, and I see a lot
of the similarities with horror movies and some of the
characters that we see today. And when people saw them
like Collaborate and found out that she was a big fan,
I was like, I knew it because she does a

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lot of the same gestures that he does in the movie.
So that happens all the time, and they should probably
be aware that we watch other things.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
I know people don't think we don't, but.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
We watch other things other than wrestling sometimes, you.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Know, yes, I have watched many shows that doesn't involve wrestling,
so when I see a crossover, immediately go mm Vince
McMahon's not watching television, He is not watching anything. Besides,
he's in that wrestling bubble and the Shield name will
always trigger me with that moment. But their first match
is at TLC twenty twelve. Now, originally's supposed to be

(06:45):
see Himpunk defending his championship against Rye Back, but see
him Punk needs surgery, So he gets surgery, but he's
still the world champion. They just have him cut promos
on crutches in the crowd or backstage. But the Shield
is forced into their first match imediately, and that was
not supposed to be the plan. The plan is, let's
build this out the secret of are the Shield working

(07:07):
with seeing them Punk? We had to fast forward that
immediately into a match where it's Team.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Hell No and Rye Back versus the Shield at TLC.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Now, when you have a debut match and if you suck,
that is forever how we're going to remember you.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
But this was not a moment of oh, this match
was okay.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Rawlins, Dan Ambros and Roman Reigns kill each other to
the point of when you tackle someone in wrestling, it's
very clean.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
I fall back.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
When Roman Reigns tackles Rye back in the aisle, they
fly into the ladder. And this is not a Oh
the lot is gonna be set up and it's gonna break.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
It's gonna be a beautiful moment. This is no.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
We are hitting people with weapons the wrong angles, We're
falling on things in the wrong angles.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
It was a beautiful match.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
But is it strange to you that they immediately just
jumped forward on this shield having their first match at
TLC because Punk is injured, Like, do you think they
should have waited a little bit longer? But this also
was a perfect moment and a perfect night.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, I don't think they should have waited longer because
the shield did make an impact when they debuted and
people were talking about them, So I don't I personally
would have not waited any longer to have them debut,
especially they were ready because you watch the match, they
were clearly ready to go, so put.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
Them out there.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
I mean, these three names are still the biggest names
in wrestling today. They probably knew what they had, you know,
once they saw what they could do together.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Well, the Hounds of Justice. And you know they had
that promo backstage with Michael Cole interviewing them, asking about
who they are, what they're here for. They're here for
the injustice in WWE. And I'll be honest. You know,
when people say wrestling is bad, say today or last
year or twenty years ago, I'm sorry. Twenty twelve, we

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were drugging through a big pile of duty because it
was a rough, rough patch of Johnsena dominating forever and
the Shield coming in was like this fresh, Oh oh, what.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Is this wonderful moment? I'm so happy about this.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
But this TLC match begins an undefeated streak for the Shield.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
And this is also the debut of their music.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
This is the debut of them coming through the aisle
up top, not through so good, it's everything about it,
like the package. Now we've ce j LUs and Today's
while coming through crowd. We've seen other wrestlers come through
the crowd edge as well. But for the Shield, why
do you think it works so well for them? Because
also I have been in the crowd where I have
seen women and men grab Romay Raynes's ass, grab, Seth

(09:32):
Rownds's ass grabbed Dean Ambros in the ass Like, why
did it work so well for them?

Speaker 1 (09:36):
You think, Well, the presentation of the Shield and you
just mentioned that when you put it all together, their
their tactical gear, the promos, backstage with the cell phones,
and the presentation, the music, the entrance, I think it
was just a whole package coming together so well. And
they were all so different. All of them brought like

(09:57):
a different aspect into the faction. I think I personally
think that they're one of the most perfectly presented factions
that we have done. I think a lot of them
got to that point, but it took a little bit.
Were with the Shield, You saw them and you were like,
oh my god. As a matter of fact, I got
into wrestling after taking my nephew to an event, not
watching for years, seeing the Shield come down right next

(10:19):
to me and I was like, I think I love them,
and I started watching the rest is history, Like it
was amazing for me.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Were you an ass grabber?

Speaker 4 (10:28):
I wasn't that close, but I would have been.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Only one time did they walk I was in the
aisle and one time they walked right by me and
it was crazy, but I have I was at an event.
The shield walks by me and obviously I have a
cell phone, but it was an old iPhone. I don't
know where this video is, but this lady just goes
in full on, double hands on Roman, and Roman stops
and he turns kind of gives her a head bob.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
You know what's funny, Like I told you, I was
taking my nephew. My nephew was a he was a
kid at the times, a grown man now because it's
been that long, but he uh, he was a big
John Cena fan. He was on that aspect right. This
was in twenty thirteen when that happened for me, and
I remember seeing Roman Rings and going who is that?

Speaker 4 (11:15):
And my nephew did the typicult man. I roll like,
oh it's Roman Rings. Of course you like him?

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Was he was a Lowa first sight for me. Still
there still we're still going strong obviously as you can tell.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Well it's like, you know, I have the last magazine
ever produced by WWE.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (11:36):
October twenty fourteen is the last ever ww magazine in
the Shields on the cover. And that's what really shows
you is you know, these three men changed the wrestling forever,
and everyone always like, oh, what faction.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Would you join? DX or nWo or four Horsemen.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
This is a generation of fans who do not give
a crap about the Four Horsemen DX and nWo.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
You know what, they didn't grow up on him. They
did not grow up on them.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
This is the Shield is a group that people you know,
started off and they say five years old getting into
WWE and ten years later still watching, or fifteen years
little watching that grown.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
People like me who got into it later on.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
That is that is the faction that influenced them as fans.
And I think that's always strange when I'm someone's like, oh,
which two's you favorite?

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Rest of all time?

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well, you can tell how old someone is by immediately
saying who's your favorite?

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Well, mine's foot Shawn Michaels.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
You know I just turned forty shocker, So like that
to me is one of those like oh, well, when
people downgrade the Shield's influence on not just wrestling but
as wrestling fans, it's it's disparaging to me when you
think about it, because you can have any opinion you
want a Roman or Rollins or Deani or whatever. They
affected fans to the point of being committed to the brand,

(12:51):
being committed to WB all.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
These years because of these three people.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
It's love that you brought that up, because well, you know,
you know most of my history as a fan, but
I remember prior to Tribal chief era, which will get
to eventually, but I remember I would tell people my
favorite of all time was Roman and people would just
be like, of all time, and I'm like, yeah, like
the thing with wrestling, it's the same with all sports, right, Like,
I'll give you an example.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
I know you're from Boston, but for me, the.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Nineteen ninety eight Yankees are goaded. Another thing will.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
Come close to that.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Why because that's the thing that I grew up watching
and love baseball at the time. Right where somebody will
tell you, I'll tell you Jeter's the goat. You tell
me Arend Judge is the goat because you're younger, right Like,
every generation is gonna have their own thing. And I
feel like us as wrestling fans and people like you
who know a little bit more at least you have
always been very flexible because when we met, you know

(13:42):
that I didn't know a lot about the past. I
can talk to you, talk to me about twenty fourteen
on and I can have a conversation, but prior to that,
I'm not I don't know, and I feel like a
lot of times wrestling fans are not aware of that
because they're so attached to the era that they felt
was the best.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Well, that is actually one of the reasons why I
transformed my original ten count Media channel into the Wrestling
History Channel, because for as long as I can remember
as a child, what if I got.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
A new DVD or V just tape, that's right, they
just folks, and I would write down a wrestler's name.
I didn't know, who's this, Dino Bravo, Okay, Rick the Mode, Martelle, Okay,
I'd write them down so I'd learn them. As years
would go on, Wrestle crap dot Com would teach me
about the bizarre wrestlings of the shock Master, things of
that nature. So this channel is really about introducing fans

(14:30):
to either the past or the present that you're not
aware of, because I want to make sure that just
like me, there's an outlet somewhere where you're learning, versus
having to force someone to watch twenty five years of
wrestling raws and SmackDown some pay per views.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Nobody has the time for that, and it's.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
Not the same.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
First of all, I love that you did this because
I always have called you my wrestling library, like I
know your knowledge, and I think this is.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
So fitting for you. But it's not the same.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
If you're not emotionally attached to the stories, you could
go back and watch all of these things thrust me.
Take it from me. I get a lot more enjoyment
out of documentary, So people talking about the things that
happened in the past, like for example, WCW, I can
talk to you about it now because the documentary is
I sink. I'd never seen an episode of Nitro in
my life, you know, but I sit down and watch
channels such as this, Like I think this kind of

(15:17):
content help people a lot more than to sit there
and watch a story that you have no emotional connection to.
The thing that makes us attached to wrestling is that
you become so emotionally invested in these storylines. If you're
watching something that you weren't there for, it doesn't hit
the same right.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
And I think on this journey of talking about Roman rains,
we're going to discover and you know, why did the
Shield keep breaking up and reforming, breaking up and reforming
because it's a trigger of nostalgia in your brain where
you're seeing your childhood reform right in front of you
as your three favorites come back together to defeat bad guys.
And that's what the Shield is. You know, the Shields
reformed a lot, but it was nice to see happen.

(15:55):
But after this TLC match room and rains set around teenambros,
they just dominate, you know, they win every single match
they have.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
They go to wrestle Mania at twenty nine, which I
went to.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Live, they beat Big Show, ran neyork In, Seamus, all
former world champions up to this point. They attacked the Undertaker,
who's untouchable at this point in time as well. It's
just the heap going on and on and on. But
in twenty thirteen in May, they joined the Authority, and
I'll be honest with you, I hated the Authority and

(16:28):
they were.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
You know, everyone said, oh, well, Daniel Brian was.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
It was such a great moment beat plus Player and no, no,
folks like, none of that was planned. It was kind
of just fell on their lap and they had to
keep going forward with it. If no one knows historically,
Luke up any single article from twenty fourteen, you will
not find anyone praising WWE's authority storyline or Daniel Brian

(16:53):
being pushed down for wrestlers that we were sick and
tired of seeing it was. It was a different time.
But having the authority and having them the Shield join them,
like was it needed to keep stacking and stacking and
stacking this heel group. You had Big Show Caine, Triple H,
Stephen McMahon, Rainedyordan as your champion, and now you have

(17:16):
the Shield, Like how many members do we need?

Speaker 1 (17:19):
I don't know, but it did raise the heat, like
people just really really hated the authority. You weren't the
only one hating on them. And it also felt unfair
for Shield fans because you wanted to like them, but
you hated the authority, So I put you in this
weird spot where you're like, I don't know how to feel.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
That's what's strange about it, too, was like did they think, like, oh, well,
the Shield's getting popular, you know, we should do make
them unpopular.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Why would you want to ever do that to your
don't money.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
If I think they thought the Shield is popular, if
we have them uniteds, people will start liking the authority.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
You know.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
That's how probably how they saw it.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
And I did not. It was one of those moments
for a long time.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
I haven't done it in a long time where I
would get angry and people still you see it online
now people are getting angry at wrestling, and I have
not been angry in a long time. But I remember,
around this time, what are you doing? Why would you
have this shield group that everyone loves. It's the bad
guys that we want to cheer for, secretly cheering on,
but yet you slim them up with the most boring

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group of people together, and you're thinking, oh, this will
this will work because.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
This was a time on like Today's stay where it
wasn't cool to hear for the bad guys. So you're
gonna figure out a way that you will pull these
bad guys because that's what they were.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
That's a good point too, That is a good point.
And around this time, though, Dean Ambrols also wins the
United States Championship seth rawlins in Roman reigns, windows penny
shaped championship belts were also red.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
They were all they were so ugly.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
They look like penny if you've said it.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
And extreme rules if you want to see the night
the Shield really becomes this dominant force where they all
win Championship gold that night, Denambros beats Kobe Kingston and
Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins beat Team hell No, which
was Daniel, Bryan and Kane, another very popular tag team
in twenty thirteen. So giving championship gold to this group
immediately shows you, uh, we believe in this group, like

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we believe in the Shield. And if you don't know,
if you don't know, folks, there was a lot of
catchphrases with the Shield and one of them was hashtag
Believe in the Shield. Hounds of Justice. There was a
few of them, and it was funny because all got
the shirts. Yes I had, you had, you had all
the ugly like weird pit bull dog shirts.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yes they were not good looking shirts.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
No, not at all.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
They were not They were not good looking at all.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Well, we're still were still there.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
We won't even get into the verge. But yeah, oh
we're not cute.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
It's it was. It was rough, It was rough, but yeah,
Rollins and Rains.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
It's funny because in today's world where they're still connected
at the hip and here we are in twenty thirteen
tag team Champions, yet we still are here talking about
them and newer fans. I'm gonna guarantee you don't know
enough of the Shield history because the WW loves to
rewrite history, and any video package that involves Roman reigns

(20:17):
and Seth reins does not show you Dan Ambros and
I get it, he doesn't, nor do they.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Show you what touch champions together think about it. They
went into WrestleMania this year, there was a triple trek
because they had to watchee him punkin there. But even
when they had that Royal Rumbo match a couple of
years back, they talk about their history.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
But you never see them even not even the Numbros.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
You never see them with the tag titles together on
those video packages. I wish they would go in on
how deep the story really goes.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, it's forever long again.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
It feels like the set with the set in Roman Rivalry.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
It feels like they started with said hitting the share
on the back of Romance back without showing you how
close why that moment was so historic because people loved
the Shield and the things that they had accomplished together.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yes, because even when they bring up the chair spot
at WrestleMania forty two, you know have to have it
all come back as a moment for fans who knew
what that moment meant, well, for newer fans, they're like,
why is Roman Raine so obsessed with hitting seth rollins
with a chair?

Speaker 3 (21:21):
I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
But yet, if you were involved, if you were around
during this time, you would actually.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Know, oh, like this is a callback moment. Yeah, but
they did not. They did not acknowledge that.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
But I was not a fan of this, the authority
joining up with the shield. It was not fun for
me though, in one of the greatest matches in twenty thirteen. Now,
twenty thirteen is a tough year for ww fans. It
is not a fun time. Do not go back and
watch Ross and Smackdowns and pay per views, But you
can go back and watch Cody Rhodes in gold Dust

(21:58):
with their father, Dusty Rowe. It's in their corner taking
on Roman reigns and seth rawlins with the Tag Team
Championships with Dan Ambros in their corner. It is one
of the greatest matches in twenty thirteen. It is one
of the greatest matches in the past twenty years if
you go check it out, because there's a story there,
you know, Ken the family, Cody, Dustin, and Dusty come

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together to defeat this Shield group because the authority is
also involved as well.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
There's a lot of big moments there.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
And it's funny because there's Cody Rhodes, the American Nightmare,
just a dude in tights with his brother who's gold dust.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Everyone's like, it's gold dust and his brother.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Is it shocking to see that years later Cody and
Roman still involved in big time storylines heading into WrestleMania's.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
I'm not surprised for Roman. I always know he will
become what he is.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
This is not I hate Cody Roads podcast.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
You know what, Like people my chat on my channel
say that up, I gotta throw a Cody stray every
five minutes, so I have to. It's been through since I,
you know, said something negative about Cody, but yeah, Cody
was in the uh mid carr seeing where he belongs. Anyways,

(23:14):
I actually for to say something positive when you when
you brought it up. I do remember like seeing the
family together and how meaningful that was for them as
a family.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
There's a great camera shot where Cody and gold Dust
and Dusty Roads come out and they do like the
fists shield yeah, and get Dusty's in the middle and
he has his fist and this Cody, this Dust and
it's a great moment.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
You know, even if you don't like Cody.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Rhodes, like you don't, apparently you have to appreciate, you know,
there's the father who's no longer with us in today's world.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
He's he's passed on.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
And yet there's gold Dust who's no longer in the
w W. There's Cody who's trying to figure out himself,
and there's a father and son moment of just coming together.
And I imagine it felt pretty awesome that evening. Of course,
when cod to become Stardust, it doesn't feel awesome and
all that shit.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
But this was a nice best thing he's done.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
This was a great moment for because like, I'm a father,
you know, and a lot of people out there you
know have dads but don't have dads, and you want
a moment with your parents, and you want this to
be remembered forever. And in wrestling, wrestling fans love to
go back sometimes and watch history, and that's what this
channel is all about. And I hope someone who say
their father has passed on or the father is still here,

(24:27):
that this moment you remember being like, oh, man, like
me and my dad have gone fishing. We had a
moment like this, you know, this moment for Cody and
Dustin with their dad winning the tag team titles against
Roman Reigns and Seth Roones, who eventually become megastars in
the company. It's gotta be a great moment for the
sons to have with their dad.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
Yeah, it is, it is. I agree with that. I
thought you can tell it special.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
And then but towards the end of twenty thirteen, they
start developing like the Shield's gonna break up. They're doing
these weird, weird moments where like Dena and Ross lose
the championship, his US title and he gets it back.
Long ring, Oh, I believe it was. Let's I have
it written down. He had three hundred and fifty one days.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
As you know, I remember having a very long ring
as not the greatest ring, don't get me wrong, but
he had a long rainy He held that title for
a while, which I feel like it was part of
the tension because Roman instead love the tag titles were
while Dean managed to retain.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
And then it does come too is Roman Rings is
not cutting promos.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Like in today's world we know him as a man
who likes to cut promos and we all love him,
acknowledge him and things of that nature. But at this point,
Dean Ambros seems to becoming the breakout star of the
group because he's the one doing most of the talking
with that cell phone. He goes to Dean Ambros, rolind
says something one liner that goes to Roman and you
know he'll probably say.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Like believe in the shoe, believe believe.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
That was it.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
That's all he said. You're like, oh, this dark mysterious.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
At that time, was really positioned as just the powerhouse
of the group, like he will speak with his hatchets,
I guess you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
Like Roman position as.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
The throne one in the group, you know, the one
that would come in there and handle business. And that's
the way that they were presenting him at the time. Yeah,
and back then people thought that Dean was whish he was.
Dean ended up having a great career in w W.
Don't get me wrong. But to me, he was the
late bloomer of the The Shield because they really pushed
the other two way before. They kind of like really

(26:21):
gave singles Dina and Brose to push.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, you're right, because when the Shield did break up,
you know, Dean Ambros goes off and does his own thing.
But at this time, like Denambros is given the microphone
and wrestling, we know, if you can talk, you most
likely to become champion, because you could be the greatest
wrestler of all time.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
But if you.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Can't talk me into the building and talk me into
a story line, well I don't really care. And and
you're right. Like Seth Rowns, he was a high flyer.
He would jump through the rope on one side, the
hit that, then he'd run to the other side to
a front flip over the top rope onto another guy
and there's the weird faces.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Like really high things, and then Roven would be man.
The show was fun.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, it's true though, like each one had a perfect
spot in the powerhouse. We have a high flyer, we
have the talker who is also the brawler, So.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
The talker and the lunatic, Like I don't want to
bring that back off, but for Ambrose really did seem crazy,
like the one that they had to like, calm down,
let's keep him under control.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
You don't want to lesh him.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Well his facial I think the two.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Now, in this world like we live in, everyone is
obsessed with facial expressions.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
In twenty thirteen, they no one.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
It was like, all right, I'm buff and I can
say a cool catchphrase and that's it. Like Dean Ambrose
was out there making these weird facial expressions, and I
remember that is where people started falling in love with him,
because he was sticking out from not just the Shield members,
from everybody, because he looked and acted different. He didn't
come from the same cloth of the rainy Yortans and

(27:51):
the Dolph Zigglers and the same people who all kind
of like acted the same. We had a brawler for
a long time. Different wrestlers had different styles. We have
a high flyer, we have a brawler, we have a powerhouse,
we have a hardcore wrestler. The Shield gave I think
us back. They gave us. These wrestlers have individual talents,

(28:11):
but yet they come together perfectly. And I think that's
why the Shield, at least at this time they're working together. Well,
and you know, did you go to Survivor series twenty
thirteen by the way in Boston? I did not, okay,
because I remember bumping into one of these events in Boston, but.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
We bumped into each other held in a fil when
Sasha and Charlotte, when we had the first women.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Oh okay, okay, okay, yeah twenty sixteen, because I remember
going to the Savivor series in twenty thirteen, by the way,
one of the worst Survivor series of all time, rainey
Or versus The Big Show is the main event. Oh
but that guys, Big Show is main eventing pay per
views twenty thirteen Super h It was awful, but the

(28:56):
Shield did dominate in their first matchup, and Roman Reigns
is just all over the place, dominating, killing people left
and right. It was one of those like, oh, oh, okay,
have we got a breakout moment here for Roman Marines
in the next month.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
It was really bizarre because the Shields.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
And the Wyatt family haven't been touching each other yet,
but it's designed for the Authority to.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Now have the Wyatt family also.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Working for the Authority and the Shield and Kane all.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
These weren't they paying How much were they paying that
everybody was going over there. They must have been getting paid.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
On good money.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
You know, I feel like options, yeah, long term.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Benefits, yeah, stock options yeah, yeah, it's it was again,
It's very bizarre.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
They kept adding all these people into the authority.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
But at TLC in twenty thirteen, now this is one
year separated from their debut, they fight seeing Punk.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
It's the Shield, all three members versus just seeing Punk.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Also on that night, Staniel Brian versus just the Wyatt family,
all three members, dumb as fuck, but see them Punk
somehow beats all three members of the Shield. Now, before
we move on, can you believe that that that that
seaum Punk? I know it's by accident, like Ruman accidentally
spears someone and that's how they win, But holy shit,
how did you look at him?

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Now I'm fifty, he still joes his one GPS and
wears his matchups magically, so does just seeing Punk.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
I just think it's crazy, Like, how in the world
can you book the Shield? I know you're trying to
tease they're gonna break up, but Tea's breaking up against
three other people, not one person.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
This is this is this time.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
At this dice sum Punk thought he was being treated
unfairly and they had him out here beating the shield.
I'm like, please make him make sense the week? How
is that hunfair?

Speaker 3 (30:52):
He wants to be world champion? Damn it? Why not?
Why do I not on the cups? Why am I
not on the posters?

Speaker 4 (30:58):
The ice cream?

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Yeah, the ice crea bars.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah. I think if cmpunk today could talk to c
mpunk in twenty thirteen, would be like, listen, calm the
fuck down, Like.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
You realize, but but I could.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
I can internally feel why cmpunk was so upset, because, yeah,
you beat the shield, that's great, but yet you're still
dealing with big show, main eventing Survivor series.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Right, right right, I'm just being sarcastic, but you absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
You don't have to be sarcastic. Match factual. It's one
hundred percent bullshit.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Sampunk is out of the w W in one month
from now, and we're rumble at twenty fourteen, and he
won't come back for a long time. He didn't work
at AEW according to WWE's history, so he's been missing
for all these years?

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Was it nine years? Was he missing from ten?

Speaker 4 (31:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (31:43):
And I'm almost ten almost because he came back in November.
If it would have came back in January, it would have
been it would have hit the tenure.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
But January twenty six, twenty fourteen, Roman Reigns breaks the
record and he throws out twelve wrestlers.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Now look at this date.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
When he should have won the rumble, when he sh
but I actually won the rumble.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Thank you, Thank you for saying that, because we are
it this where rumble.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
People are cheering Roman Reigns like we want.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Them to win, because we've had a year of domination
of the Shield. We want Roman to win. We're all
cheering him. He doesn't win. Watch forty year from now. Boy,
that place is boone him out of the building, not
even the rocket. See we'll get to that, don't you worry.
I'll have to be smoking the whole time during that drinking,

(32:29):
I might.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Have been the only person cheering.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
And I have video, I have receipts I was cheering
for Romans.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
We'll have to post it somewhere to prove that this.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Is Oh, I will, I will, I have receipts, me
my new watching it together, and I'm all hyped. And
then I'm like, oh, they don't like.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
This, Nobody, nobody.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
I know, when you're blinded by your by your friend.
I'm like, I am, I'm very blinded when it comes
to Roman. Everybody else I can talk normal about with Roman.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
You know, if I don't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
That twenty it's because in twenty fourteen Roy rumbole you
could type Ruman reins on. You know, we didn't have
TikTok yet, so we didn't have that, but we had
Twitter and you could go on and types rum and
rains and people are like, yeah, he's the next big thing.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
We love face, Oh how dare they not push him?
We hate that's what's going on. And yeah, I hated
it too.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
But what I did love was the Wyatt family resus
the Shield because the Shield and the Wyatt Family start
having a rivalry. And if you remember this moment, and
I hope some people do, is we have a moment
where over the years we've been told how the Rock
and whul Cogan rin the ring together and they're not
talking and they're just looking around and the crowd's cheering. Well,

(33:41):
guess what the WWE historically keeps forgetting that the same
exact thing happened with the Shield and the Wyatt family.
It took him like twenty minutes to just tiptoe into
the ring to get face to face. The crowd was electric. Now,
in the history of professional wrestling, it's very hard to
find factions of three but at the same time being

(34:03):
both dominant and being liked, and yet here we are
Shield ye family. Now, do you remember the feelings that
you had seeing this moment break out in front of you?

Speaker 1 (34:13):
I do, because I always being a huge why specifically
Bray Wyatt fan and at that time obviously yeah, Roman
in the Shield were my number ones, but the Wires
were probably my number two at this particular time, and
it was like, who do I root for?

Speaker 4 (34:29):
Why this is happening?

Speaker 1 (34:30):
This is crazy? You just know that you're getting one
of those this is freaking awesome. Let me sit back
and enjoy it, you know kind of moment because for
me and I'm pretty sure people that were really into
it at the time, that was the ultimate and they delivered.
The best part is that they've freaking deliver.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
You're right about that, You're right, And I think that's
throughout this I think we're gonna realize a lot of
moments where they were so great, but the WW was like, yeah,
that's great, but we don't want to promote that.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
We're trying to promote this over here, right, but when
you have.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Magic, you should probably show off your magic, not go yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's great. But uh uh look at this, I can
balance uh you know this on my nose. WHOA, Like, no,
we don't want that. We want to see these and
these teams did go at it in multiple matches, but
I think it's very hard to find in the history.
As I mentioned earlier dx NWOL, we couldn't get that robbery,

(35:23):
we couldn't get full horsemen versus you know, like the
Hanging family, couldn't get all these big factions for each
other for historical reasons.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
We got a chance here.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
But over the years, you know, we're told about Austin
three sixteen, and we're told about this moment, in this moment.
I don't know why this moment is ignored through time why.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
I have no idea. I think I wish people would
go back and watch this more.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
I put I talk about it a lot as much
as I can, you know, and and I even talk
about later on to bring Wyatt and Roman Rings rivalry doesn't.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
Get talked about. It off and it was so good.
I loved their entire.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Rivalry anyone but you rot, like their whole history was
so good. But this moment for me, somebody that was
just getting into it, you know, I was like a
year in, you know, just about I was like this,
this is the reason why I got into wrestling. I
remember how the energy in the building switched when the
shield came out that first time that I was, you know, there,

(36:23):
and the way that I felt, and I was watching
this from home, the way that I felt. I was like,
I cannot even imagine what it would have felt like
been there, especially now that I experienced so many life moments,
Like I was like, that's one of those moments that
I was like, man, if I wish I could have.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Been there for that same you know.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
I always when I do interviews with wrestler sometimes I
ask a question of like, if you had the time machine,
you know, what moment would you travel back to to
see live or to be there for that moment? And
for me, I think, honestly, like there's so many moments,
but the crowd, and that's what was going on because
the crowd was not interested in some of the storylines
we were getting produced. There was a lot of segments
on shows that we just like, Okay, well, I'm am

(37:02):
I here because of habit? Am I watching this because
of Habit? Or am I watching this because I like it?
And when you get a White family versus Shield moment,
you're not.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Here out of habit. You're here because you love it.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
And I think that's why this moment, for some strange reason,
is not uh doesn't fit the lore of Roman reigns
and the bloodline that we'll get to eventually. But I
don't know why this particular moment is just erased because again,
like I bring it up the Rock and Holt Coogan,
My god, how many times have I heard about that moment?

Speaker 3 (37:31):
How many times have they talked about that moment?

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Or Austin three sixteen or you know, all these moments
that they will stop jamming down your throat Tritian lead
a man then a raw.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Yeah, that's great, Okay, we'll pee. What about this?

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Why can't we talk about the Shield and the White
family more? Why can't this be in the you know,
then forever together?

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Why?

Speaker 2 (37:52):
I very confused sometimes why moments are erased and why
some moments are pushed down my damn throat.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
But this one actually from way back when, like this attitude,
attitude era and even the ruthless and gracial era moments
they get pushed so hard, and it's like hard for
people like me where I'm like, listen, I've been watching
for about twelve thirteen years, and there's been moments just
that's awesome that nobody freaking talks about. Yeah, this is
one of them. This is for sure one of them.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yeah, you're right about that, because you know, I grew up.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
You know, I started watching in nineteen ninety two, so
in reality, like I came in after the Golden Era.
So I have new generation. I've attitude, I have ruthless,
I have all these combos. But it threw out my
life as I grew up. Different eras mean different things
to me. And this is the era of am I
watching over habit? Or am I watching because I love it? Well,
then you get to a moment like this where you go, God,

(38:45):
damn it. I know there are moments like this. I
love this shit Like this is why I sit.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
And watch, you know.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Evan Bourne matches in Fandango matches and nothing against any
of those people, but this is why I.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
Oh, wrestling is an addiction.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
And when you once you experience a moment like that,
the feel that that gets, that that gives you, you
continue to wash almost in a toxic way because you
just want to live something like that anymore, because oh
my god, you never know what they're gonna do. They
could give you one of those moments and you're like, man,
I love this. I said, it's a very toxic relationship
I have with wrestling because you live for they don't

(39:23):
come very often, but when those highs come, nothing beats it.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
You're right, it is an abusive relationship.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Yeah, you brought me flowers today, it's amazing, thank you
so much.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
And the next day like, so you didn't make me
any breakfast, Like.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Oh, lately I've been saying that wrestling just abandoned me
because they have my favorite on top for so long
and now they have him losing to pros and read
I'm like, what are we doing? Like you you have
me up here for five years where I was just
nobody could stand me, and now you just drop me
like that.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Yeah, what happens to get done. Sometimes you get dumped
and you got you got dumped. Accept it, except except
that you got dumped.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Okay, just accept it.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
No, we'll get back to the top.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
But you should go back to you should see the
Why Family versus the Shield Elimination Chamber twenty fourteen. It's
a it's an epic match because again it Guy's brought
up historically, there aren't a lot of three man factions
fighting other three men factions or.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Women or whatever.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
And they're both over.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Right, and they're both popular. It's not like you're trying
to jam.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
It's like three singles wrastlers have to come together to
trying to take down you know this this faction. No,
it's faction versus faction here, and it's pretty nice. But
they do tease in the storyline that seth Rollins is
frustrated with the Shield. He wants to be able to
get back together. Then in twenty fourteen in March Cain,
who is not Demon Caine.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
It's Corporate corpre King. Yeah, Corporate Caine. He was funny
sometimes and at the times it was.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
A terrible and I believe this is the year we
met in twenty fourteen, and Corporate Caine tells the.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Shield to beat up Jerry Lawler because he's.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
On commentary and Jerry Lawler has been saying bad things
about the authority lately. Well, the Shields are all about
injustice in the WWE. Well technically, if Kin isn't he
the justice going around abusing his authority?

Speaker 3 (41:18):
So now the Shield turn babyface.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
And they are now officially the good guys in this situation. Finally,
it was like and they started wearing these skull masks
to the ring. They used to wear them before coming folks,
They wore masks over their face and they would come down,
and I thought, holy shit, when you couldn't think they
could get more badass. Now they're wearing skulls on their

(41:44):
face while coming to the ring and their swat gear.
Why do you think it was finally time for the
Shield to turn baby face?

Speaker 3 (41:50):
You couldn't stop it any longer.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
The fans, you couldn't stop it any longer. People love them?
Why not? Like it was? It only made sense in
my opinion, there was You hear the reactions if you
go back and watch during this era, you can tell
the crowd loves them like and like I said, at
this time, it wasn't cool to share on the bad guy.
Now it is and it's awesome, right, But at this time,

(42:12):
it's like, Okay, they're gonna share them, we might as
well turn them. A lot of the turns, I know,
you know this, A lot of the turns during this
era happened because of that. Well, they're starting to share them,
so we might as well turn them instead of just
like really thinking it through.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
No.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
One problem with that too is sometimes where it's like, Okay,
if I'm the Shield, I've been beating up Seamus and
Rainy Orton and all these guys without your baby face.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Now you're like, hey, I'm gonna help you. Wait a minute,
a minute, didn't you do them all up for a
whole year? Now that you're good?

Speaker 2 (42:43):
I can't stand when suddenly you're coming down smiling or
at least the Shield didn't do that.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
At least the Shield.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
They stay, they stay bad ass. The presentation didn't change.
The skull mask was a great addition, but there were
still just.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Badass and WrestleMania thirty is a moment that I was
very because I was a giant Shield fan heading into
this event, and we had Daniel Bryan versus Triple Late
to start the show. We had Daniel Brian versus Batista Marine,
or we had the streak being broken, but yet we
had the Shield calm down and their skull mask through
the ring in different spots. What a badass entrance. The

(43:19):
entrance lasted longer than the match because the Shield beat
up Kane and then New Age Outlaws, who are now
also part of the authority. Yeah, keep Adam, it gives
us keep Adam more. We're not XPOC, We're not a
hologram of China. Let's just get them all in there.
But yet they had a short match. Why do you think,
why was it necessary to have such a short match

(43:39):
for such a popular team.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
I don't know, I don't know. I always started wondering that.
But the WrestleMania thirty card is so stacked. I mean,
I blamed Daniel Brian for a lot of things that
happened to including this. They have to change the entire
direction that they were going. We will never know what
really was supposed to be booked with with all this
movement that went down, and having to book two matches

(44:03):
for Daniel Bryan et cetera, et cetera, So we'll never know.
But I hate that that's the match that they got
at wrestle thirty when they were like really popular, and
I feel like they should have They should have done.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Better because a year before that, I was fighting.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
John Cena on his own. He still had the Ya Family.
But they have Bray White in a singles match. But
that car was also very good, you know. So it's like, man,
they got the crap and of the stick for WrestleMania thirty.
They really did.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
You're right about that, because yeah, there was so many pieces,
like all right, you had the Shield versus the Ya
Family a month ago at Elemation Chamber.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
Should have been a WrestleMania match.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Now, yeah, bray why versus John Cena? Who has Restman
at thirty though, if you don't know, have the greatest
video packages of all time heading into these.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
You have Daniel Bryan's with the Authority, they were a monster.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
You have Bray White with eminem supplying the track for
Bray Whye in John Cena's match.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Legacy and Taker one was very good too.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yes, Legacy Legacy, I'll ever Uh, those are the songs
that I stick in my brain because you couldn't escape
those promos because they played him every single day on Raw.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
I'm gonna miss issue later because I was I was
talking about video video packages the other day. I might
have you on my channel talking about video packages that
live in your Hit and Free because I think a
lot about some video packages, oh lot, they do such
a good job with them.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
But one that I keep seeing, which is hilarious because
some people probably ever experienced it, as you said, you
stopped watching for a while. Austin versus the rocklymp Biscuit
Wrestumani A seventeen.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
I've seen it like that.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
One pops up every day somewhere and one was like,
I don't remember it being that important though.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
It's hilarious because they kind of dropped that.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Deborah McMichael, who was also married to Stone col Steve
Auston at the time, was supposed to be the Rocks
manager heading into WrestleMania and it wasn't working and Steve
Austin used his political power and was like eh, and
they just could just cover that. They're like, oh, she's
not the manager anymore. That's stupid.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
You're gonna turn heels.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
Yeah, I've seen that package.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, there's some good package that I would like to
talk about that, but it's just shocking that Wrestling a
thirty a year ago, they took on Big Show, Ran
Neworton and Shamus and wrest me at twenty nine in Jersey.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
I went to that one. But yet Wrestmania at thirty
a year ago.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
A year later, when they're like the most popular they've
ever been, and then you have a thirty second match,
it's just shocking to think that we'll have no fear.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
They're gonna be okay. I wrestle Many at thirty one,
just not together anymore, but they will be just fine.
Wrestle Many at thirty one.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
They would all have big moments.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yes, it's true, but I want the Shield to have
the big moment, and they never got their big mess.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
No. No, even the freaking chill match that ended off
happen the tripol thread happen on some crappy pay per view.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Was that payback this fastling?

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Oh well it will again? Well, well, but there's so
many chield moments where we'll sit here.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
And be like, why did you do this?

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Or like.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Coming back from injury.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Everyone loves him, you have a documentary about him, Everyone
loves him, and he turns heel on Rome and we're.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Like, what are we doing here. I was there. I
was there for that. Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Yeah, we'll have to We'll get to that eventually.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
But after WrestleMania thirty we headed into a rivalry with
the Reformation of Evolution. It's Batista, It's Rainy Yorton and
Triple Ah all coming together one more time.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
To take on the Shield.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Back to back pay per views, extreme rules and payback.
A little side story for you. This is the this
is the time I got blocked by Batista on Twitter.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Yeah, because at one of these events. I believe it's payback.
He wears all blue gear, blue tights, blue everything, pads, boots,
Blue Tista starts training on Twitter.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Not me.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
I didn't say that the Internet decided blue Tista would
trend well.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
I also use hashtag blue Tista. I might have tagged
him well. He blocked me instantly, but yet.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
The WWE puts on an action figure a few years later,
a Blue Tista action figure.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
Day.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
He was I was feeling sensitive because he wore stupid gear.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
That's why it was ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
He looked like a smurf.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
The back to back wins, though, the Shield beat Evolution
back to back extremes aim payback, and these are not
normal matches. These are extreme rules matches. Seth Ron's climbs
the top of the Extreme Rules sign and jumps off
of it onto everybody, Like these are not just actually
it's payback, no holds barred. But these matches, again, it's
so hard to find three men combos at work, and

(48:31):
yet you're having the Shield fight the White Family at
Limits and Chamber fight Canaan Outlaws at WrestleMania. Now evolution
back to back. This was the peak that the crowd
is deep into the Shield. Now it's gonna get a
little sad here in a minute. But what did you
think of those matches of the evolution in Shield matches?

(48:52):
Because to me, that really showed you like, these aren't
just the Shield is not just wrestlers who are here to,
you know, be a faction for a little while and
one's gonna head off and do something great the.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Other two arms.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
This is showing you like, holy shit, we don't have
one star, we have three stars in this faction.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Yeah, you gotta have allusion to reunite just to fight
the Shield. I will die on that heel. Like they
were like, we need to come up with more three
Manu factions because this is working, especially after they saw
what they did with the Wyots. Up until this point,
I liked it a lot. But unfortunately, and I'm not
lying because I know what's coming up, I was wondering

(49:28):
when it was going to be time. You ever watch
a combination that works so well that you automatically start
thinking men as singles dis guys, which is like, there's
so much more for them to do as singles, you know,
because at that point we're used to them breaking everybody up,
you know, like at some point everybody breaks.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
Up to you know, back then.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
So yeah, I really enjoyed it, but I was so
so curious about what they could do to, like individually, because.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
You're right about that, because at what point do you go,
what could they do next?

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Like what after beating Triple h Raind, Yorton and Battista
twice back to back, there's a clean sweep, There's a
no holds bar elimination match where the shield clean sweeps.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
No one gets eliminated in that match.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
The ring started at Wrestlemany at thirty. What I was like,
if this is what we have for them to do,
then maybe it's better off to either split them up
or start highlighting who we want to push like they
did with Brey.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
Wyatt and the Wyatts.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
You know where they were, like you could tell bray
Wyatt was the leader and he was getting more singles opportunities.
When I saw the match out, they got a reves
so many at thirty That's when I started wondering, like,
if they're gonna like put them in a crappy position,
then maybe we should split them up.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
And again around this time, Roman Rains pinned Batista ethic
stream rules match. But yet for you personally, I know
you're a big Rum and Rains person and fan, but
at what point did you realize, like, Okay, who was
gonna come out of this the star? Like did you
ever think to yourself like, oh, well, because we've seen

(50:57):
before where tag teams break up, edgend Christian Boys, Telli Boys,
or whoever, someone goes off and becomes a star, someone
else becomes a cental champion. Nothing wrong with that, but
you always want to be main eventing. You want to
be world champion. We saw that becoming Roman Reigns. Seth
Rounds did that quicker than Dean Ambros did. But for you,
when you were watching this all play out or farm view.

(51:17):
Who did you think was going to end up being
the guy? Was it going to be Roman because this
man loves big jack dudes.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
I always thought it was Roman based on that Royal
Rombo twenty fourteen performance. I know they didn't book him
to win, but to give him that elimination records and
the way that they made him look, I always thought
it was going to be Roman. I remember. I will
get into arguments with people online because a lot of
people thought it was going to be Dean Ambrose at
the time, which is funny. If you look at my background,
I have a picture with Roman. You can't really see it,
but I have one with set like those are my

(51:45):
number one and my number two rides? Was your picture
with Dean Ambros? I, you know what, don't let me
tell you that story, because I actually have one. I
actually do have one. But I took a picture with
Dean at MSG and I don't know if you remember,
but at this time I used to talk so much
crap about Hi because everybody wanted him to be the guy,
and I'm like, he's not gonna be the guy. So
I remember taking a picture with him at MSG and

(52:06):
he never saved on my phone and I was like,
it's Karma, It's Karba for all the crap I talked
about him. But I did meet him later on, and
I do have a picture with him, pictures for all
three members of the Gio goals.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
That's so funny that you're like, it took a picture. Well,
it's a great photo.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Oh shit, it did so everybody you know back then,
like the I see it was a very small niche
you know this now it's not like that, But back then,
I feel like we all knew each other because there
weren't so many of us online and a lot of
people were at the MSG. It was a house show,
but they showed it on the big screen, and people
on Twitter started tweeting me like this girl is over
here talking all this crap about Dembro's like here, geez

(52:42):
taking a picture. So everybody was like post the picture,
and I was like, I go to look for it,
and I'm like, it's not there. It was like it
was like the Ambrose picture gate. It was a whole
thing on my YouTube channel. It was funny, but that
picture never existed, but I did take one with him
later on. However, I always thought Roman was.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
The that's when you were blogger diva.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
Yeah, that's when I started. You turned me into diva.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Fun fact.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
That's a fun fact. I will always bring it up
because you owe me a lot of money for that.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
A matter of fact, I was deeven Diva because I
was renting on your podcast about Ambrose catching you on set,
and I was so happy that the Shield got that moment.
We'll get to that later, but I was angry that
Roman finally have won the title and lost it so
fast and then said one and lost it so fast.
It was I was so happy and annoyed that night
that I was renting, and that's when you said I

(53:31):
turned into a demon.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yes, I think I an the time too. Caine was
in charge of the key to the steel case. She
was like the gatekeeper, so bad, so bad. We will
definitely get to that, but the we have to put
our veils on now and get the black flowers out
because it's the death.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
It's the end of the original run of the Shield.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Their last match was at Payback June first, twenty fourteen,
but June's second twenty fourteen.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Plan B.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Always a plan B.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
Never forget those boards.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Always a plan B.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Now, the night after Payback, Triple H reveals he had
a plan B. And that's when Seth Rollins is in
the ring with the Shield members and he has a
chair and he hits Roman and he is shocked and Dean.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Dean doesn't know what to do. Dean also get hits.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
That's that's my den and brush. That's what I'm going
for Halloween as Dan Ambros this year, not as John Moxley.
I'm going as the the d Nambros from I'm gonna
walk around like this asking for candy. But yes, South
Rollins turns on Roman and Dean Ambros and joins up
with Triple H and the Authority, and that is the
end of the Shields run. Yet we still get callbacks

(54:41):
from that moment of Seth Rawlins hitting chairs.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
The whole arena went quiet. Oh you can hear it's
one person screaming no. And I think we all felt
that way. And I also feel like we all knew
it would happen, but maybe we didn't want it to happen.
I don't know, maybe we didn't think it will be said.
I don't know what made it so shocking. I still
can figure if it was because we all love the

(55:04):
Shield because it was said because he joined the authority,
Like I don't know how like why he felt that way,
but I feel like there was I there was no reaction.
You were just like your heart dropped, you were heartbroken,
you were angry, you were Yeah, it was it was insane.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
That was one of my favorite turns ever.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Same and I feel like this one doesn't get talked
about in the light, like everyone talks about it because
the Shield broke up. But for over the years, when
someone makes like a top ten you know heel moments,
and Hogan during the nWo obviously is probably number one
because it actually affected the business of WCW.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Johnson.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
A turning heel didn't affect the business at all. It
was just a shocking moment seth rawlins turning heel on
the Shield created a decade, a decade of moments in
storyline interactions.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
This day, we're going on to twenty twenty six and
still to this day, this heel turn is affecting the storyline,
Like it's actually insane.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
If you think about it, I think, honestly, like I
don't understand. I guess I get it. The Shield there
is huge important and I feel like some fans don't
like the fact that somethings can be.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Like everyone. If everyone likes something.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Other people are like, well, if you like that, that
I have to not like it just because you like it.
And I feel like this Shield moment being brought up
as number two Heal moment of all time, Hogan number
one and wo number two Rollins because again you said,
we're still talking about it, It's still in storylines, it's
still ingrained in the DNA of how the WW has

(56:33):
been created in today's world, and if.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
You were there the way that it still misses with
your emotions. When Set came out to the Shield music
at that Royal robo match against Roman, just to play
with he played with all of our emotions when that music.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
Hit, everything like it.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
I just feel like everything draping. He didn't. I get
so many of me like it. It's crazy. And that's
what I was telling earlier.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
When you're emotionally.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Invested, like it just takes these little things for.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
You to take you back to those moments.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Like I thought it was executed well, and I love
that that you go back and you watch that moment
and you see the face Liss and like there's not
even a screen. There's no when when seeing that turn
heel people shared. It was no sharing here, because that's
what an effective heelter is supposed to do.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
You're supposed to hate the moment.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
I did.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
I did hate that moment and.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Romans back. He tweeted a picture of his back and
it was oh god, and he said Trader, oh my
poor baby.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
That's when he was tweeting often.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Yeah, yeah, I don't do that anymore.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
No, that's when the Shield also had a Twitter account.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
And yes, I retweeted it this morning that we're doing this.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
That's hilarious because with the Shield, I remember I made
a really terrible me mom and I'm my phone maybe
I don't even it was my phone and it was
like Ralph from The Simpsons and it's someone asking are
you a fan of the authority or the Shield? And
someone says the Shield and Ralph does your face? And
so I made that and I posted and tagged the Shield,

(58:04):
and the Shield retweeted it. And if you look at
their tweets, it's like the I think the third last
tweet retweet they've never made because they haven't, you know,
they don't update their Twitter anytime, So it felt you
see that I'm there.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
I literally just went to it this morning and retweeted
one of the release the release the Hounds Believe in
the Shield tweet. You know, it was just a little,
a little o much to what we're doing here before
we're gonna be like, why should we retweeting this up
seven am.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Or a ten year old tweet? Yeah, well this is why,
this is why, this is why.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Yeah, what Twitter was cool too. I remember the Universe account.
Anytime they interacted with you, you will get so many
followers because they were so interactive, Like I remember getting
retweeted by them and interacting with them all the time.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Yeah, that's why I'm suspicious that my Twitter is filled
with bots because of WW Universe retweeting me so many times.
And that was also the time when the ww had
an online app where you could go on and what
would happen is it happened to me all the time.
Which was great was if they took your tweet and
put it on their homepage of their app, you'd blow

(59:14):
up instantly that night. So I would sit there somebody
would ask me, like even watching wrestling, I'd be like,
I'll should be tweeting out every like two minutes, hoping
that the w W app would retweet because.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
We all we all used to life wash through Twitter.
And then I again, the IWC was so small. I
just remember, I feel like I knew everybody that watched
wrestling back then, you know what I mean, because like
it was and it was Twitter. You know, we're talking
about nostalgia.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
Twitter was fun.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
It's not fun anymore, but back then it was fun,
I promised.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Well, so we didn't know about algorithms, and we didn't
know about metadata, we didn't know about all that stuff,
and we.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Weren't hate watching.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
We weren't watching to I never hate watching.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
That's one of the things that I always like, stand
by and I tell them my watch al was like
I watched to have fun.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
This is my escape, right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
But I feel like a lot of people hate watching
Twin's like, well, I even watch it. There's no way
that I will watch something just to find something I
don't like about it, Like that's weird.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
You know, it's like it's a drug. As we brought
up earlier. You know, they're not they're hate watching because
they don't know any better. They're addicted to the the lights,
the camera angles, the characters, the music, the moves, but
I was addicted.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
I did run to Twitter immediately after that turn to
see how everybody was feeling.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
And I feel we everybody, like universally was heartbroken at this.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
This is when I had a podcast called The Fans Podcast,
and I remember I remember doing a whole video, but
not video because I didn't wasn't on YouTube yet.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
I don't even know what I was on Apple Apple.
Maybe I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
It was an Apple back then. Like Spotify wasn't even
a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
No, no Speaker was but not no Spotify, no Spotify,
none of that stuff. So it's no TikTok, none of
that shit. So we didn't have anywhere to go but
make an audio podcast. Record it, record it through I
don't even know how, and uh, and that's what happened.
And there was sad moments, there was tears. But yet again,
as he'll turns or brought up seth rollins, turning on

(01:01:03):
here set us off into a generation of memories for.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
A lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
In the set up for new characters, Remarraines kept his
shield gear and shield music, and we'll talk about how
people resented him for that. We'll talk about Seth Rollins
joining the authority and Dean Ambrose deciding to wear jeans
and a tank top to the ring.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Yep, that was his gear. They had no music.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Then later on, I like, listen, I was, I was
all in on dname you were a big I was
not a seth Rollins and remarrains guy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
I was all in on tank top, dirty tank top,
Dn Ambrose.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Folks, you know what the funny thing is about this
is that you and I have been good friends for
a long time, and I don't feel I know, we
agreed on Bray. I feel like we both love brain equally,
but I feel like you and I have such different
favorites and different things, and yet we managed to get along.
Imagine that Internet, It actually can happen. You can be
friends with people that don't like the same wrestlers that
you like. It's possible, I promise.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
I was told it's not possible.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
So we did it. We did it, Steve, we did it.
Should we stop talking to each other.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
Let's finish the podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Well, there's a podcast that we can We'll do more
Roman Range podcasts on the history of the history of
Roman reigns here on the Wrestling History Channel, and it
was a sad moment, but again we will talk about
it next time on another episode. What is up for
Roman Rains? What is next for him? It's Summer Slam
Baby twenty fourteen. We'll get to that and how everyone
felt heading into that event and the trials and tribulations

(01:02:33):
that Rumarrains will suffer for the next decade until the
bloodline and all that. But you were a Day one
supporter and we will talk about that as well here
on the History of Roman Regins. Before we wrap this up,
what do you think really is the legacy of the Shield,
not the one that WWE tells us. What is the
true legacy in your opinion for you personally of the

(01:02:53):
Shield in Roman Raines's interactions with them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
I think the legacy of the Shield is just giving
us the future. I know there's a lot of people
talking about the future. This person is the future. No, no, no,
they gave us the future when you when you saw
these three guys come out and the debut that you
never imagine how much the landscape of wrestling would change,
to the point that even when Tin Ambrose shows up
as John Moxley in a different company. You're like, Oh,
this is a game changer, because these are three main

(01:03:19):
eventors that still to this day are making a huge
impact on.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
Professional wrestling landscape.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
So it's crazy, what I mean, It gave us the
best storyline in the next ten years as far as
Roman Rains goes.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
I just think this was the beginning of the evolution.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Like, we're going to get into it, but the Roman
Rains has to have so much character changes and growth
from who he was at the Shield to where he's
at now is fascinating to watch in retrospect.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
That's why I'm so excited for this project.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
I'm Sae and I knew the first person I needed
to contact to get this project off the ground was
someone who used to walk around Angry Wood and all
that good sit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
He loved it. He loved it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
For the the first time I had a meet and
greet with Roman, the first thing he.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Said to me is, how's that hews that lady would
And I'm like, oh, he knows, he knows all these
I think the hushtag and the rest is history.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Well, as you said, the IWC was about like this
small then, yeah, now it has expanded to celebrities, to musicians,
to you know, the term influencers wasn't even a thing
in twenty fourteen when this whole shit came, a lot
of them interacted.

Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
Now they don't interact anymore, of.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Course, not because if you don't have a million subscribers,
they won't talk to you. I'll only talk to someone
who also has a million subscribers. Dir, don't you know
the rules?

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Well, you know the way.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
I know the rules here and I get to put
your ones up to the tribal chief here on the history.

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
Of where is they acknowledge me tattooed? There we go.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Okay, she got a Rumraine tattoo. Folks, her dog's name Ranges.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Got two wrestling buddies she cuddles with every night, clearly
in her bedroom.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Uh maybe I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
That's my studio. Okay, they don't get cuddled with.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Okay, I believe you. I believe it. Don't you worry. Sorry,
something in my eye.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
But thanks for tuning in to the first episode here
of the history of Rouman Reigns right here on the
Wrestling History Channel.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
I'm c fall. She's a demon diva. Have a wonderful
day and we'll see you next time. Bye bye,