The Homicidal, Suicidal, Genocidal, Death–Defying Maniac – Sabu: Prime Time Vault

We open Mooney's Vault to relive another legendary conversation. Things get EXTREME this week on "Prime Time with Sean Mooney", as we welcome hardcore legend, Sabu! The former ECW star talks about his wrestling influences growing up, and being trained by The Original Sheik. He recalls the story of getting shot...and how that incident led to his entry into pro wrestling. Sabu talks about his arrival in ECW and all about his hardcore wrestling style - the artistry, fan reaction, and the toll it has taken on his body over the years. Plus, Sabu talks about the ultimate demise of ECW, his arrival in WWE, how he felt misused with the company, and much more!

Episode Transcript

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Sean the money Moody. Everybody's gota price for the million dollar man.
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He gets in the ring and hegoes see if he's breathing. Right
before I called nine one one,I thought she'd fall asleep. Kind of
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Monday, six am Easter time.Okay. Known around the world is the
homicidal, suicidal, genocidal, deathdefying maniacs. Sabo Sabu. Welcome to
Primetime. How are you? Thankyou very much. I'm pretty good.
Hey where did that nickname come from? Where the homicidal suicidal? Where did
that all come from? Well,Paul Hannon came up with that. That's

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uh, yeah. I don't likeusing it so much because it sounds like
I'm bragging or something. I don'tmind if if someone else says that,
would I don't say it myself,but but yeah, Paul Hannon came up
with that. Well, I'll tellyou you know, when you would look
at your performances though, they werejust uh so much different than anything else
anybody was doing at the time tothat extreme. And you know, you

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think about that time Sabu that theyhad. You know, there are brawlers
out there. There was hardcore,but nothing like what you would do with
it. But what was the differenceback then? And I know that the
original chic was one of the youknow, the forefathers of that, But
what was the difference to you betweenyou know, these brawlers that would go
out there and uh, you knowwork pretty stiff and hardcore. Well,

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you know, but brawlers were guyswho weren't technical wrestlers. They were guys
who were kickers and punchers and stiff. So I just made it, made
the brawler athletic, you know,with kicking and punching to another level,
you know, yeah, anything Ididn't kind of you know, like my
moons out of crooked and all that'skind of rough. So it looks a

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little more good. I think itlooks better than than a smooth moon's out,
you know, yeah, or smooth. But when you were growing up
and seeing this, um, Idon't know if you thought maybe you know
you could do it better, oryou had other ideas on where you could
take it from there. But itwas well, I'm sorry, go ahead,

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I'm sorry. No, But I'dsay, was it you know to
some people who really don't understand theart of it? I mean, there
really is something to that. Anddid you recognize it back then when you
were a young a young kid?Uh? No, like h of course
I wanted to be a wrestler.But and I was scared of uncle.

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But but I was scared to belike a muscle, you know, when
I was a kid. When whenI when I bought wrestling, you can't
be like me. So my firstfive years I didn't even jump out of
the top rope and I didn't biteanybody. I didn't leave, I didn't
go out of the ring. Itwas all in the ring stuff or in
stuff to first matches to do.And then um, I used to have

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these crazy moves in my mind whatI used to do in the back character
he had a ring in the backyard, and when I thought nobody was watching.
And then when we were in Japan, I go, SHEK, what
should I do? Because I neverdid did any moons after that? In
a match, and he was,Uh, do what you do when you
think I'm not watching you know,what do you mean? Because when you
in the back, you think I'mnot watching, I'm watching you. I'll

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do those things, I said,And so I did, and I got
over the first night, and Idid a new thing every night, and
then, uh, everybody thought Iwas a flying magician. Okay. So
and now that you mentioned your uncle, and uh, I'm sure a lot
of people don't really don't know thehistory that your uncle, the original chic

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d far Hat Uh was your uncle, as you mentioned, And what was
it like for you as a kidgrowing up and uh, you know,
being around him, and how didthat relationship develop where you eventually got into
wrestling. Well, it did inthe book what I could tell you anyways,

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but I have a book with thiscame out too awesome. But growing
up, you know, I staredat him and this kind of want to
be like him, right know.I never talked to him. It's we
always talked, told me what todo, but I never say anything back.
And then when I got uh,I got shot in the face when
I was nineteen. But I wantedto be a wrestled in my whole life.
So when I went to when Iwas amate wrestling in school, it

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wasn't even to be a better amateurwrestler. It was apparent need to be
a progresser. When I turned eighteen, it doesn't even to be a better
amateur wrestler to be a pro wrestler. Yeah, it's just a warm up
for it. So when I turnedI got nineteen, I got shot,
So I figured, if I'm gonnado this, i'd better do it before
I get shot again or you know. You know. So two weeks after
I got shot, I went outand seeing him, and uh, it

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took off from there. He becamemy mentor and I never went up a
side for twenty years. Yeah,and you mentioned that book Sabo Scars,
Silence and super Glue. Um,it is an incredible book. That's close
enough. Huh, that's close enough. It's it's super blue. Yeah,

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well it is. It's a it'sa great book. And uh, we'll
mixtion this again. But how canfolks get it? Is still out there
through you can get it on Kindle, or you can get it on what
was that with my hold on?This is old? This is super Duni.
Okay, Hey, Sean Howard.Yeah, I am great. I

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hope you're doing well too. Um. Yeah. The best way to get
it where you're like personally getting itright from Sabuu and me. It's ordered
off ECW sabu dot com. Soecwsabu dot com and then you got to
sign personalized coffy from him. AndI do a lot of his mail.

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We just moved that. We don'treally have a good assistant yet where we
are, so so we do Ihandle his mail for him. But ECW
sabu dot com. That thirty fivedollars personalized copy is the best one to
pick up. Fantastic, Yeah,kindle, you just want to get it
over the internet or whatever? Yeah, okay, So so getting back to

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there's from Kendall. That way,I don't had to mess with it.
Okay. Well we and and wellwe'll talk about that again before we wrap
up our conversation. But I wantedto go through you mentioned getting shot.
I mean, there's there's a lotto that story right there. But uh
growing up and were you an athlete? Uh yeah, oh yeah, me

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and my brother I had three brothersand three sisters. And my three brothers
are just one year and two yearsolder than me, or two years and
three years older than me. Yeah, So we played baseball, football,
whatever season it was. We haduniforms and we played it, you know,
every year until like sixth grade orsomething, and then we started playing
real football, you know. Yeah, So was that your sport? I

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mean, were you? Uh?You like football? Every everything was our
sports based off football and uh butnot rustling. Only wrestling was my sport.
My brothers did in mike wrestling,but we were all well football players
forever forever and in high school,doing high in high school, you know.
But I was a wrestler. Theywere never a wrestler. They were

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beating me up my whole life,but they didn't wrestle me. So were
you that? Were you points inyour life thinking, you know that I
might be able to play some kindof professional sports? Was that? I
don't know. Everything was to giveme to be a wrestler, football,
baseball. I took all that,and I'm not kidding. When I was
doing it, I was saying,this is gonna make you a better wrestler.

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This gonna make a better wrestling.So I looked like to eat the
better, to be a better wrestlerand eat still to be a better wrestler.
I played baseball to be a betterwrestler. Whatever it click. What
I did was the home to bea wrestler. So you said you had
a ring in the backyard, though, is that? Um, you know
something that you're no The black guywas my uncle's back guys. You always

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had it, but I never gotinto it until I was nineteen. I
was never allowed in it. Icould look at it and all that it
took canvas, but I could never, you know, hit the apron with
my hands. When I was little. They had never let us in the
ring. But I couldn't get intoit till I was nineteen. But when
I went off to go train gettrained by him, I moved out into
his house and there was seven monthsuntil I got in that ring. I

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had a chap with and be hisslave for seven months and not say and
when can I get in the ring? He'd notice and never asked anything.
Just do what I say. Andfor seven months I didn't see her.
I couldn't even get him the I'veseen the ring. I never got into
the ring. Didn't want to seehow bad you wanted it was? That?
Yeah, this process I had thatI wanted it, and how disciplined

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I was wo So before whatever Idid wrong, he'd correct me, and
I never did it wrong again.Never whatever he correct me on, he
did it wrong again. Was healways this mysterious figure growing up? Like
you said, he didn't didn't talkto you much. You were afraid to
talk to him. Yeah, I'dwatched him talk to other people when he

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rocked and joked and all that.But I was so young that, uh,
you know, he wasn't a buddyof mine. That he was my
uncle and and a giant man,you know, a star, you know,
I seen my TV was giant,unbelievable, and so I was afraid
to talk to him. But Iwould always stare at him. He had
said, I knew you would comeout and even how would you know that?
How would you know that? Becausecontrol you stared at in your whole

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life? Yea wow? And whowere some of the other uh? I
mean, I don't know how muchyou were exposed to as far as other
professional territories in Lancing, Michigan.But who were some of the There was
nine in Michigan. I did wrestlein Michigan to play nine years into my
career yeah, I just wrestled himtoo. Yeah, I mean my Michigan

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Detrol that Lonting. I didn't wrestleLanting to play nine or ten years into
my career. I also in detroyla out. But my mother, my
mother has never seen me wressell.Yeah. But I mean what about growing
up though? What did you followwhen you were when you were growing up?
What wrestling did I follow? Yeah? Yeah, what were you able
to see there? Well? BigTime that was the old wrestling that I

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knew him. I didn't even knowthere was any other us and growing up,
Uh, I only thought Big TimeWrestling was the wrestling was the company's
company. So when your uncle started, what's up? I said? So
when you when you your uncle startedtraining you, was it pretty much this
basic wrestling? It wasn't he wasn'ttraining. Was he training you to be

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a you know, hardcore or wasit? No? You got to learn
the basics? No, no,no. I didn't have a cage match
for five or six years. Ididn't have a hardcore match until I went
to Japan seven years and they hada barbarer until seven years. All this
stuff gradually evolved. You never hadthat stuff. You never say, I'm

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a practice for a Barb Warner match. When you're agreed, you're gonna practice
for the first match if you're lucky, Yeah, you know, and hardcore
stuff when when anybody trained the men, we don't bash each other with chairs.
I hand the hand, wrestle them. Then when they're good at that,
then a bast them with the chair. Yeah you know. I used
to guy I was going to myhouse thinking we're gonna do ex flips all

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day. We didn't do one backfootball week. I taught him how to
lock up out of the headlock andhow to iron barn. I'm dragging all
the stuff that everybody thinks boring,but you gotta be good at. Yeah.
So before we really get into it, and it obviously had a big
impact in your life, how didyou get shot? I was at a

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party for a friend of mine andhe guys them across the street came over
cast some trouble. So at thecorner of my eye, I see this
dude pull out two guns. Itlooked like out of the socks, but
he wasn't out of the socks.He was just he pulled them out.
He was low with him and pulledhim out pulled him out. He had
two guns in his hand, andthis is why to com he's shooting my

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friend in the stomach. Bad bad, bad bad. Then he took off
right and so I ran out tohim. And while he's running and shooting
behind him, but I caught himand threw him down, and during the
tumble, he pushed the gun againstomy face and shot me, you know
point there was no closer to pointmaking to get it was right against my
face and shot me, you know, uh in my cheek kind of uh

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and uh that was out. Soit was just like a clean in out
wound. You didn't suffer anything thatwas a clean goodity in wound. I
had powder burns all down my throat, parrots down in the back of my
foot. When the bullet hit mykeys, it shattered and went to my
naval cavity in the back of mythroat. So I actually got sat in

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my throat and uh uh so uhand the powder one's killed me one.
I couldn't breathe or like I wascoughing for weeks to burn my lungs of
powder burns, the powder burns,the powder flash with down my throat.
But anyways, I vibed it anduh, lovin alsos hurt as much.
No, but but obviously it Uh. I know you were blast that you

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have something like that happened. Andhow did that change your life to you
know, you getting into what youhad? Well at the time, you
know, I was really wild.I just got out of high school,
you know, a year before that, and so I was still party of
jamming and stuff. And when Igot shot, that's when I stopped partying
and jam and and said I'd liftingweights and eating right and training. And

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then, uh, like I said, two weeks out of the hospital,
I went and see my uncle andI didn't look back. Wow. So,
uh, tell me about the earlyyears though, of training. I
mean, it sounded like it tooka while. He wasn't gonna let you
go out there. And uh,you know I trained two years. I
trained two years out of the firstmatch till I was twenty one. I

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trained two years and then uh,and then I wrestled five years, you
know, just hand to hand wrestling. No high spots. The only high
spot I would do would be adrop pick. You know. It was
a boring stuff. But anyway,the stuff that you have to learn to
be a good to be a greatwrestler, you have to know this stuff.
You could be a good wrestler withoutthem, but if you know that

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stuff, you could be a greatwrestler. Yeah, and away I will
was the what was the territory thatyou know, because a lot of people
don't know about the territories back then, that you would you would work in
an area. And then when Istarted, it wasn't really a territory.
There was a spot shows. Iwas my uncle ran a little bit,

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but it was ont of the spotshows in you know, Ohio, Indiana
and in Michigan, and uh thatwas in Windsor and Ontario. It was
the spot shows. And my firstterritory sort of would be uh, you
know, Dave the Bearman in Ontario. Every time I'd go up there and
wrestle for two three months and anduh, you know, there was no

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really territories anymore. This is whenBITS was taken over. The territories were
dead then really even then huh itwas there wasn't the independent world was really
you know it was yeah, that'sother. I didn't know the difference between
independent and anything else. I thoughteverybody was independent, you know. That's
killed everything, you know, sowhat also the tad place, But he

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made more money than ever for thewrestlers, you know, the wrestlers now
or the highest state ever. Youknow, ever, you diy didn't make
money like that. Uncle didn't makemoney like that. Yeah. Well,
and I you know, I guesseverybody has a lot to thank him for
it. But at the time,it was, you know, because I
came in and I started working forthe WWF and eighty eight and that was

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when, you know the world hadreally changed because they you know, WrestleMania
one in eighty five, but thoseearly you know, early eighties is when
it really completely changed completely. Anduh but uh, as we look back,
look what it did for the business. I mean there's a believe realized
that what was the good? Butwhat was the uh? I don't know

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if you call it your first bigbreak? But was it when was it
going to Japan that really changed youryear? Yeah? Professionally Yeah, Yeah.
The first five years I made lessthan one hundred dollars in match.
I made, you know, forlucky twenty five or fifty a match.
After five years, I started makesone hundred dollars a match, So I
meane hundred dollars and until till sevenyears. So I went to Japan.

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After I went to Japan, Imade a living. I didn't sold my
break with the Pan. I didn'tmake a living until seven You know,
I went to Japan seven years intomy career, nine years into my training
and feen years into my right Andwhat was wrestling like at that time in
Japan? Because other people have beenguessed, it was just starting to get

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like the Oneida's companies was just startinghim out to be hardcore. Was different
and I wasn't called hardcore. It'scalled frontier. Marshall I wrestling where he
called it. Marshall I was wrestlingbecause we would fight, you know,
craddy guys in the barboy to matchyourself. It was funny. But some
of the guys they couldn't work,you know. Anyways, anyways, lessing

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in Japan, you know that therewas Baba and in Oki your companies,
and that was like that. Thatwas a pop dier ones and then the
lost of companies was FMW I WAand a few other ones and Wing but
and so I went out from wwhere they say no one made money,
but I made money. They paidmy uncle very good and they paid me
pretty good. And uh, youknow, uh that changed when I came

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over. I changed the pail skate. Hey, the pay scale scale I'm
sorry, yes, pay scale independentguys. So they had everybody else's money.
And why was that? I meanbecause you were, uh well,
because they were well no, notin the beginning. Yes, I mean

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I got a decent payoff before Igot to Japan because because of my uncle.
Then I got more because I wasthat good. I'm not I'm not
trying to say that I was good, but I'm just saying what you said.
They paid me more of it becausethey liked me. Yeah. Yeah,
well, and and was it ascrazy over there as far as um?
I mean, those matches were basicallyshoot matches, a lot of them

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right that they really had to.Yeah, they were half shoots. You
know, of course the finishes thework, but they were half shoots where
there was very stuff with chair shouts, and no thing was because they weren't.
They weren't good at the guys whowould use, the Green guys and
the American guys you would use,they weren't very good, but they could
bash the shit out of each other, like Mike Austom in the beginning they

(22:29):
were very good in horse motor Theyweren't very good, but you could bash
the shit out of together. Butthat is not a bitch about it.
Yeah, but that's what they expectedtoo, right when you went in.
Yeah, yeah, and uh,you know we did you ever really get
hurt doing those matches because of notonly what they expected, but like you

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said, some of these guys weren'tas talented and as skilled at doing you
know these matches. Yeah, youknow, you getting a concussion almost every
night, every other couple of nightsyou get you get knocked out or stitches
in the back of you and stitchingin the back of your head because we

(23:10):
cut our heads every night. Butthe chair must step back in the back
of my heads opened on you know. And this about every other chair shout
there. So stuff, even ifyou blocked them, they swing the chair
and drapanese chairs were so heavy andthey swing them so hard that even if
you block them, they had knockedthe shit out of here. So is
this at this point where you startedto embrace hardcore more learn more techniques?

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Yeah, I was. I wasthinking what they're doing to an athletic level,
like every like I could hit youwith a chail, but I'll throw
up to make it look better.You know, I could could sit in
the chair, but I'll jump offwith to make them look better. So
whatever they did, I wasn't tryingto degrade what they did. I was
just trying to do make my ownstyle. I wouldn't trying to say in
my head my own side. I'mjust gonna do it. I was saying,

(23:56):
thinking it was my way. I'mgonna do it my way. Uh
he said hit him with there,I'm a throw it. He said,
do that, I'll jump off.Or he does that, I'll swipt or
you know something like that. Ifthey go, can you do a running
yet? So I would do Ididn't kind of run it. I'd run
jep out the chair and aporn gettingring something like that. You know.
Now now I can't do it.There's camera people in the way in sands,
I can't do it. But anyways, anything they wanted me to do,

(24:18):
anything they did, I just changedit into an athletic movement. We
all we always with hard core.RD core wasn't just punching the kick in
each other. It was uh poetic. Yeah, you know, like I
said, there was it's an art. I mean to be able to do
those moves. And I don't know, were you always that athletic? Did

(24:42):
you have that uh you know thatthat type of skill as when you were
younger? Yeah, you know,I'm not not wrestling athletic, but yeah,
you know, you know everything Idid, you know, play football,
and that I pretty much stood out. I didn't accelided because, like
I said, there was all passesto be a wrestler, and I didn't

(25:03):
think anything that serious when they say, hey, you know you're an All
Star game, like, well youhave, but I'm busy. That was
a day off. But uh andI wasn't that good. But but I
but it didn't matter to me howgood I was. It was all the
whone need to be better later.Yeah, But I mean, but boo,
you look at it and you know, and I've watched a bunch of
these old matches with you, anduh, if you if you really look

(25:26):
at it for what you're doing,and it's it's for somebody look at it's
just like this mass chaos, butit's not. And there's like you know,
like gymnastic moves and there's almost likeyou're like a diver in something that
everything has to be exact, andI just couldn't help. But wonder,
how did you work that out?Because you have to have somebody else who's

(25:48):
able to do that with you topull it off. So, uh,
well, well it was it wasa little. It was first that in
Japan. You know, of coursea gap he's would would do anything.
I wandered, and after I figuredout what I was doing, because I
was making up as I was goingalong, after I figured I was next
time, Uh, the guys areeasy to do now in the States,

(26:08):
they were stubborn. So I'd bedoing moon south to the to the floor
and they'd moved. The only onethat would stand there would be Terry Funk.
Anything I said, I said,catch me, he goes what I
do for a flip on him,and he'd catch me and he goes catch
me. Then he'd he didn't doa flip, but he'd do a dive,
his type of dive on me andnot catch him. And then when
people started paying him doing that,they started saying, hey, well I

(26:29):
could take that. But remember whenI when I used to put the guy
to the table in the very beginningin the States, I take an extra
hundred dollars if you could sell itto the hotel and tell people that it
was Steff, because after I puthim to a table, Hey, that
wasn't nothing. I go, yeah, but don't tell anybody other ways everybody
will do it, because then everybodystarted doing and it sure looked like it.

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And how did you bring that in? What where did the because nobody
mastered that better than you, LikeI said, in Japan, they were
doing how guys to the table?So I took it to another novel by
doing a moon talk to the table. One day Michael when did a match
And one day Michael said, getback in the ring and get your heat.
I go, what do you wantme doing? He goes, I
don't think it's something. I go, how about I moon solid table?

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And he goes, look that.I go, I'll show you. I
see a table in the ring,and I moved a table a moon talked
to the table and boomed if peoplewent nuts. So the next day I
put a guy on the table andthey went up to it and then uh
and went off from there. Wow, I'm telling you you look, you
look back at that stuff and nowit's just it's commonplace. You know,
they do it, uh all thattime, but back yeah, but back

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then. Uh, you must havebrought the house down when you started when
that was something that you you did, was it? Uh you know,
was that the reaction when you whenyou brought it to the States. Yeah?
Yeah, when I brought it tothe States, Like you know,
the first time I did the stuffwith the Philadelphia and those sands knew why
I was already, you know,because they had the seat. So those

(28:02):
those fans hard court fan isn't thefan that knows everything. Hard Court fan
the fan that will go watch anywrestling. And at the time, Philadelphia
was the ships or big names,but the matches were really bad and the
TV was really bad. That thehard core to me was the bad TV
and the bad matches. You know, these guys were very good, but
the people still wanted to see thembecause they'll they'll watch anybody. So when

(28:25):
I came in and good my both, they go, wow, we're not
watching just anybody, We're watching somebodyspecial. Yeah, and uh marked after
that, probably bring in somebody special. You know. Did you feel you
had to keep raising the bar?Uh? YESA No, I didn't raise

(28:45):
the bar because I was the boy, so I just kept tender impressed myself,
right, you know, but thenyou have but the boy I'm sorry,
I said, but I'm sorry,get goad. No, it's going
to say that. What comes withthat is that you know, people want
to do it as well, sothey're kind of chasing you. I mean,

(29:08):
is that the way you felt,because and then you would have to
Okay, everybody's doing everybody's breaking atable out. Yeah, I was very
mad in the beginning of other peopleboth tables because they would do it.
Probably would have other guys publicly ndme break a table when I wasn't called
and I go, hey, didanybody make a table? He goes no,
And I go, well, i'dseen the TV from last week.
Okay, someone able goes, well, we didn't emphasize it. I said,

(29:30):
just look, nobody broke a tablebecause they'd seen it. But anyways,
and then so I didn't mind somuch because they did it badly.
They didn't do it like I didit. No, I did a cup
of THESS, I did a thingh and then boom, you know,
and they would just go boom,you know, and they got a great

(29:51):
reaction because the people just wanted tosee anything like I said, our course,
fads are happy to see anything,but some of these things you came
up with, and and I don'tknow the truth to the legend of this,
but of course that story is outthere about that the match with the
Chic in ninety two with the ropesthat were with barbed wire and they had

(30:12):
gas soaked rags on them or somethingwas that. Yeah, what is the
truth to that? Uh legend,Well, it happened, but it wasn't
very good. Uh. They goup the inmentory and a fire match.
I said, oh, what's that? They go, you'll see, and
then showed me the diagram of it. And it was eight foot two light

(30:33):
forwards wrapped in vet cheeks soaked andcaressing for like a week, and they
had two on the top, onein the middle, and two on the
bottoms, so there's five lighting side. That was the diagram. At the
loss, I'm gonna I go,don't put the bottom ones on because all
we're gonna get out They could jumpover and then no, margol gonna jump
over, so don't put the bottomon. Drive they go, okay,
we won't put the bottom ones onon one side, So they didn't put

(30:53):
the bottom ones on one on oneside, so uh, the fire.
So they then they go after tenor fifteen minutes, wait for the fire
to go down, and then doa high spot. I said, okay,
we get into the match. Twominutes in the match, were all
crowd in the middle, so itwas too hot, and about six minutes
the thing and then so I wenton and jumped out of the ring first

(31:15):
and grab the buck and threw itbehind the craft to the mode was behind
me. But he went out theother side where he did get through it,
and it burned the shit out ofhis back really like he was in
the hospital. He was in thehospital a couple of weeks and he told
it for about six months. Yeah. Well not all of them work right,
and they couldn't put it. Theycouldn't put it out, and then

(31:36):
at the ring burned to like morningto the next day. Jeez. That's
amazing. Um, most remember youfrom ec W, uh, and that
is where much of the legend aboutyou drives. Um. What was it?
What was the ECW at the timewhen you arrived there? And I

(31:57):
think it was a ninety three.I hope I'm correct there, but it
was an indeed ninety three, Yes, I think so. Yes, it
was just a bunch of guys thatweren't good, you know, like not
and against sam Man but he knowshe's not that good a technical wrestler,
but he tried to be one.He was. He was a surfer with
with white stuff on his nose.Sam Man was supposed to be san Man

(32:21):
the Surfer, not sam Man theNightmare. When I got there, I
go, man, he's a terribleI go, I'm just gonna do my
regular match. I did a youknow, my regular match with tadz and
and uh but which was extreme toanybody else. And they went not like
Tad was the right opponent for me, and because he wrestled No Hard and
Steff, he like he wanted toprove something to me because he thought I

(32:44):
was stuff. But I just lookedstiff. I'm not stuffed. If anybody
when they wrestled me, they gowow, like, uh, you're last
movie than I thought, I go, yeah, you're supposed to look rough.
Yeah that's good. The game wasa look rough. Yeah. I
mean you had to people, youhad to pay people to tell them that
you were just with the technical stuff. Um was it? Was? It?

(33:04):
This h a collection of I don'tknow. I mean, I guess
they'd like to think of themselves asrebel, but it was kind of rebels.
They were kind of the anti uhWWF. I guess at the time,
Uh, did you guys kind oflook at it that way that you
were just doing what you wanted todo and didn't want anybody telling you how
to do it. Yeah? Um, like after I came in and got

(33:27):
over, like, it changed slowlyinto extremes. That wasn't the vision the
v and Paul took over to savethe king, and so he let the
guys do pretty much what they wantedto do, and and that's you know,
that's great, except for sometimes youcan't let guys do what they want
to do if they're not good atit. But the people appreciate it.
So they would do what they didand they weren't good at it, but

(33:49):
they were killing each other. Soit got over and then then eventually we'll
call hardcore RD core was at thetime they start, it was brawling it
But to you was it always Um, I guess in a sense, art
I mean, you always were,you know, prepared to make sure that
no one got hurt and whatever youdid do whatever your high spot was going

(34:10):
to be, you prepared for it, and one of that person who's gonna
do it with you. Yeah,all of yourself would be a stay a
move and so the guys would move, you know. So but that still
the move in or the flip inand whatever it is. But uh yeah,
you know, uh I forgot whatthe question is. Well, I'm

(34:30):
saying that, you know the wayif you were watching it back then and
it was just people thought it wasjust chaos. I think you know nobody
really you know, they just didthese crazy things. But I know I've
heard you talk before that it wasn'tthat way with you. You made sure
that you were prepared, knew whatyou were doing, knew what that other
person who was going to be inthat ring was, You was going to
be protected. I mean, wasthat all every did a crazy move that

(34:55):
I haven't already? Did it justprobably twenty times or more? You know,
everything I did, I didn't.I had a ring to practice and
uh march you glad did that.At somewhere I go, okay, what
why I does It's too stiff?I thought you're right, so I'd make
whatever I did on stiff only steppedto myself, so I took most of
the pounding. I took all thepounding I could, pounding more than my

(35:16):
opponent. Yeah, and how muchof a toll did it take on your
body? What's that? I said? How much of a toll did it
take on your body? Even earlyon or wound? It didn't bother me,
you know, really not now aboutbut it didn't bother me. That's

(35:36):
why I'm told fuck that now isbecause I didn't get surgeries when I should
have, because I could overcome itwith pain, tails or just stubbornness.
Because I didn't want to take anytime off. I never took any time
off. The only time I tooktime off when I caught him infection and
I had to take a whole yearoff. I couldn't. I couldn't walk
for a few months. But anyways, Uh, that's the only time I
took any time off. I neverattentionally said I'm gonna take some time off.

(35:59):
It's just these spells where I didn'twork for a couple of weeks,
but I never took time off.Even now I work almost every week.
Yeah, it's amazing. I don'tknow how you keep doing it. It's
if the polls is right, andthe people who are there, I'll bust
my ass. I'd bust myth anyways, but really bust my ask if people
are there. Yeah, so tellme more about about the ECW and what

(36:22):
that atmosphere was like. Uh,and some of the people that were there
with you, that you saw comingup and who became big stars too.
Well, ec W was elected tome. Whenever I come out, you
could steel the cheering before I'd goout, you could like they checked my
name all through the show. Youcould feel them. They vibrated ability.

(36:43):
That was awesome. And then youknow, uh, what else was the
question? Let's spoke? Yeah,but but what was it about the ECW
that was so different than these,you know, the other groups because it
oh, because because no one censoredus, we didn't harm no center.
Pobably was our age. He wasin this same hip crowd as the MTV,

(37:07):
you know, and it was MTVage, and uh, we got
to do what we wanted in there'sno center. I got to do what
I wanted. That's all I gotto be. So uh not what it
got to tell my story? Myway is probably let me do it though.
How did Japan he let me dowhatever I wanted, also within reason,
probably what you're gonna want to withoutreason. I could you hear anything

(37:29):
I wanted? Yeah, well,and I think that that's why people appreciated
it. Uh yeah, that's whyI get Paul credit for that. You
know, that's how you find outout who If you want an artist to
be an artist, let him bean artist. You don't tell him what
to do. Let him be anartist. Yeah. Well, and it
seems that that element is missing Ithink somewhat from from today's product. I

(37:52):
don't know what your you're feeling ison it, but I think that anytime
you're trying to tell people how toperform, it's not a good idea.
But now they have a blueprint.There was a blue print, the blueprint
you make up you go along.You make the blueprint as you go along.
Now there's a blueprint where here's apromo station, here's the company station.
Here, here's the top rope station. Like they all go to these

(38:15):
these steps that weren't there before.You know, you mean, everybody's taught
different and they're taught to be likeactors. You know, got to get
your character down on this before theyhave a match no, you don't.
You gotta learn that a headlocks whoyou get your character down? Yeah?
Well, and I know I don't. I don't think it was too far

(38:35):
from this. Uh, like likea year later, I mean I think
the ww F came calling. Umbut was there a loyalty to ECW or
did you like the freedom? Whatwas it that I think you basically turned
them down, didn't you. Ohyeah, that was a ninety four.
Yeah, it was loyalty. Uh, Paul, Paul looking a lot.

(39:00):
He was loyal to the part becausePaul he got me. Well he goes,
uh, he goes, I gottatell you something before your match.
I go, well, he goes, he sounds an amazing Okay, that's
only right to give me. Sofor him to saying that that was the
most that was great. You know, he said he knows, he knows
I was gonna do something amazing.You know. So did you fear that

(39:22):
being with the WWF they would stifle, that they would try and control you?
Um? Uh yeah. When Italked to his aunt, he said,
you know, it wanted the tongue, my style down and modify my
look and have the iron cheek asmy uncle and might go no way,
I can do that, you know. She thing wasn't a deal breaker.

(39:44):
That that changed my look was adeal modified my look as a deal breaker.
But when he carried on, hesaid the iron checause my uncle,
I said no, but I giggedwhen he said no way, and like
he was dead scurious, I thoughthe was joking. Anyways, later on
as a character came out, it'scalled the Sultan, and my iron Steep
was his mental uncle. But theyoffered me good money, and uh,

(40:08):
and I go now and and Thencegoes, how can you turn me down?
Turn us down for a company itmight not even be there tomorrow.
I said, I don't know,because maybe it will be here tomorrow.
And then you go, well,when you're ready, come back, and
then uh, when I come back, it wasn't as quite friendly. But
yeah, so what what was itabout the ECW though that? What was

(40:30):
its demise? Was it just mismanagedbecause it's it always had a popular product.
Also, I'd also added that itwould have broke my uncle's heart if
I would have would have took onthe ironsheet because my uncle even if it
was to work the bok as heart. But anyway, Thence what was that?
What was the question? I'd saythat you you did have this loyalty
to Haymond or the ec W andit and it did have a very a

(40:52):
popular product. It was it wasa great alternative to what they were putting
out. But what was its demise? Was it just badly managed? Uh
we were getting too too small forour bitches. Like we had all these
big shows all around the country andwe couldn't fill the fucking omas. You

(41:12):
know, they're tell we do goodas they're a pay per view and and
and that was only in the omas? Would big good with that buy rich
were terrible, you know, becauseit would have been good by now maybe
you know. The demise was wewere trying to were we got We got
too small forwall bitches. Our namewas bigger than we were, you know.
Yeah, well, and but wehad the money with the chat you

(41:35):
know. Yeah, Now when whenyou would eventually uh show up in the
WWF UM but you never you neverspoke really before that time? Why not
because you could obviously you kind ofpromo? So what what was it just
called I can't cut of promo unlessuh they just say, uh, sat

(41:58):
me in the mouth and I gotmother, you know, said I like
that because I thought I read alot. They gave me lines like a
script, and there were words Iwould never say in a million years.
And I go, I would neversay these words. I go, but
you're gonna no, I wouldn't know. I can't so like I d when
I was a kid, me,my mom was watching wrestling, and we've

(42:20):
seen somebody come on the TV andgo and if i'ments a week, somebody
would do the same almost same thing, different words, different guy, but
almost the same thing. Groa.And she goes, promise me when you
when you were up, you'll neverdo that. Mama, will never say
a word. And then this waslike when I was ten or twelve years
old. And then when I gotto be a wreside. Now I don't
talk because I don't talk because I'mshy. But and also I told my

(42:45):
mother I never would. Yeah,so tell me you'd never embarrassed me like
that. Oh, I'll never saya word. But if somebody didn't hand
you lines like say say this,could you do it? I mean,
just top of mind, you know, because that character mcmada saw who I
don't think I could. Uh,but uh, like if I was acting

(43:07):
in another role sort of or something. I don't know. Yeah, I
probably could, you know, ifthe price is right. But you know
they don't want to put the extrafor us. Why why would I want
to do now? I even saidthe Vince, I haven't said the Vince
that you're not paying me enough todo this stuff, and he just raised
an eyebrow. He didn't say nothing, he's gonna. I don't even say,

(43:30):
well, how much do you want? Then? Then I then were
talking, But they want me todo extra work and destroy my character by
go against my best, my bestjudgment and make me talk. My best
judgment was saying I'm gonna hurt myselfif I talk. And now I was
right. You know, man,I want to talk that now I know
you're human. You know before thatI didn't want to people who didn't only

(43:53):
know that I wasn't a monster.Yeah, so do you feel I mean,
it seems to me you always saidyou were always pretty straight shooter as
far as talking to tell. Doyou think that that held you back with
a company like the w WF becausehe couldn't be any other way? Yeah,

(44:15):
I'm sure did. But I thoughtI could get them to see my
way. When I go I can'ttalk, get me some one to talk
to me, They go, Umagaalready has that gimmick I said I was
doing before Umaga was born. Butthat's okay, you know, I said,
what the fuck? You know?But when I yes, it held
me back. Sure did part ofthe gimmicks of wresting. Now kegory all

(44:39):
the things they looked at his promos. There's that there thing before when I
was coming up, they go,he can't talk because they hadn't talking.
We're gonna GIVENI who he didn't talk? You know, well, we're gonna
a guy was one talk to him. They didn't make him talk if he
couldn't talk. So now they makethe talk. They go against my best
judgment. So uh, I wasreally uh it didn't say it against my

(45:01):
best judgment and they weren't pay himenough. Yeah, if they would have
shocked me with money, I wouldhave got over that best judgment. Ship.
Yeah, that that that always works, right. Um What was it
though, that that you finally said, I that you'd had enough with ECW
after all that loyalty and uh,you know, commitment to that to that

(45:23):
group. What was it that finallydid it did it in ninety five.
I went six or eight months inthe paper, the checks Mountain. I
went two months with no pay witha money talk. I didn't realize it
until about six weeks. I go, now, none of these checks are
going through. I have no moneyto think. So so eight weeks into

(45:46):
it, I got a secret meetingwith Kevin Sliver and JJ Dillon and he
offered me money, no money thatI could count. And before I got
home, before I signed the contract, I called my mother to tell her
about it, and she had aheart attack on the phone before I could
tell her, because something will goout at home, and she panicked and

(46:07):
had a heart attack. Didn't tellher, So I didn't tell the autograph
and I would tell him the contractand I flew home and she was an
attentive there. So I called KevinSullivan, said, hey, I'm gonna
fox over the contract now I wassigned, Uh okay, And he goes
now too late, lady being suedby by by Paul Haven. And I
wasn't a threat of the sue wasat the drop drop it and I would

(46:29):
have been I would have been stillrich right mouth they would have came through
with it. Man so what inthe meantime, so you instead of going
to WCW, you went to NewJapan. Yeah, well no, I
went everywhere else, everywhere, youknow, everywhere else, but I went
to Japan. Actually I went everywhereelse, and I still made money.

(46:49):
I didn't make the money I wasgonna make in wc W. They were
our business. A year later theylost sixty million dollars that year. It
could have been sixty one million.What's wrong with that? You know?
You could one of them? Yep, And maybe they want and needed the
top spot to run with it.They were gonna give me the big choice
because he was, and we wouldhave someone talking to me, somebody in
my choice talk for me. Yeah, that suck my big, big time.

(47:14):
I just was. I was,I was doing my load of my
parents. So I said, Ihave to go side this. I have
to go read this in my room, and Chemic goes, read it,
just sign it. I just giveme a few minutes. And so I
went to my room and dispirited.What the fuck but Paul, and he
said, I just he was something. Did you ever remind Paul of that
that he cost you a lot ofmoney? No, who knows? He

(47:37):
did he knows. And the thingwas, I was just gonna go to
bc W for a year or twoand then come come back to ECW a
bigger name. But hopefully that thatwas my plan. I had not I
had no real ill attention to gainstec I just had mind to get paid.
I was too old to take promises. Yeah, well yeah, so

(48:02):
when you did, when you didappear with the WCW, was that just
uh, I don't know what kindof a contract did you have with them?
Oh my god, that was waybefore God, that was years before
that. I did a little rudwhere, um, let me thank you.
Uh, we are ten folding goalsfor the first Monday, Nitro.

(48:28):
He goes, how much would itcosts they get you in our first Monday?
Nitro? He goes, it's againstthe fence. It's a big deal.
Is a guy? I get tobe number one? Very I go,
I can't do it. I gotto be in Japan. He goes,
how much for the second one?I said, you don't have to
pay anything, having just put meover. He goes, we'll pay yourselfing.
I said, okay, five hundredbucks, which was I should never
said that. It was okay,you got it. So I wrestled.

(48:50):
They liked you, and then theyoffered a contract. It was for five
hundred bucks half able tonight and theygo for one paper. You were on
Monday a month. You don't worktwice a month. You can't work from
the else. No, no Indians, no, no, no TV,
no nuts. I go for athousand dollars a month ago. Yeah,
that's what you wanted filling in thematch and got what you wanted. I
don't know, that's what I saidto look at me. They would negotiate

(49:12):
on the house that man, theydidn't offer me no more. I said,
we'll take it a leave it thatlater we've been made it on they
called me again and then uh that'swhen I talked to Kevin, and then
that was different, you know,and uh uh Mishop wasn't to charge the
more, and then Kevin and JJwas you know. And anyway, that
was that they offered me a fivinga match and they thought that's that was

(49:35):
okay, that that that was gonnabeen offering no more. That was taken
a leav it. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of things that people
don't realize. It's I mean,the timing, Uh it just seemed like,
uh it was. It was offseveral times for you where you should
have I mean, you talked toother other wrestlers. I mean you were
as big as as uh the biggeststars around then. And to think that

(49:58):
that's how things laid out, whetheryou know, uh, you're gonna get
a big contract and then something elsehappens and then somebody else is threatening to
sue and they back off. Didit seem kind of like that's just the
way it seemed to go for you. Yeah, yeah, it's I'm not
meant they hit the big one,you know, I'm just obviously I meant

(50:23):
the struggle. I guess when almostgo ahead, I said, I almost
hit the big one, but Ididn't play. Get there are you talking
with WCW? That one locking everywhere? You know, if I want to
couldn't, maybe it would have oneout of business and that would have been

(50:45):
the big one. If I wouldsign that contract into they're trying to come
my mom, maybe that would havebeen the big one. Or if I
would have the events with the ECWand shit, maybe that could have been
a big But none of them was. But they almost was. Yeah.
Well, and and when you knowB WF acquired or w W I should
say acquired ECW. And you werepart of that in what ninety seven?

(51:07):
Uh? What did you think that, Okay, maybe this is this is
it, this is I'm gonna bepart of this and you know, come
in and yeah, and it wasit. It was it. Paul Paul
signed had a secret deal of justfor him and Vince and didn't do a
funk about us. I mean hehad a deal and getting paid and we're

(51:28):
starving. He goes. I cameup buy a pair of socks. I
I guess you turned your mom anddadda rich. He goes. I kept
buy a pastix of my own money. I said, we're left by your
choice because your mom and dad wouldyou you don't have to buy a pair
of soxt buy it. So yeah, you don't about a parasocks. I
believe it. Your mom buys themas my mom. You know, he's

(51:49):
still buy of the media verb.So what was that experience like with with
when you were there, when theywere doing when they were using you know,
the ec W the second time around, because I just knew me from
before and he shook my hand likea about shook my arm off my off
my shoulder and I had a badneck, like when I sold it and

(52:12):
he lost that. I was kiddingin like I was saying like this,
like an idiot, not not aidiot. Don't say that all this guy,
he's got to retard. He's gotno idiot hes goofy a little bit.
He was It was cool. Hehe acted like he liked us and
all that stuff. But we hadabsolutely no no positive readings or no more
readings than that they didn't already have. They didn't go up. They weren't

(52:37):
impressed with that. Yeah, butthat's not my choice. It's because I
don't know why. It's not mychoice anyway, I don't know why.
Yeah, well that was another question. Should I just say what's next?
Yeah? Well when six Yeah,when you when you uh, you know,

(52:58):
it never seemed like they really knewwhat to do with it. And
it was I mean, they had, you know, some really talented uh
individuals that were a part of that. It just didn't seem like they ever
really knew what to do with itwhen they had it. Yeah, like
uh in Detroit, they had mewrestle there and and then we'll go and

(53:19):
well somebody will do a job Igo, no, like, why would
I want to do a job?I thought you might be because well,
you know, this is see howvulnerable you are and how I workable?
You are no cooperative that you areAnd even said that to me directly said
at the park and and uh andPaula, no, he can't be.
You don't know. He's the biggestname. So he wanted me to do
a job just to see how cooperative I would be. I mean,
we're invading there, and I'm likethe top guy sort of goes to him,

(53:44):
and he wanted to beat this,you know, And that was still
in the time time where you can'tcome in and beat the w WR.
You know that you don't have togo around all the matches, so we
had to bring our own guys inand wrestle them. I look a scorpio,
but he was considered one of ourguys, and and TAA's wrestle Mighty
reflect wrest of our own calls.We could wrestle the guys because we have
to lose to them, which wouldbe why would we We're not going to

(54:05):
invade it, and then kicked out, Yeah, well, I mean,
Sabu, it's you know, Iwish you would have become those contracts would
have come your way because you youcertainly paid your dues. And man,
did you entertain people? Um sabu? You you really? Uh? I
tell you. I watched several matchesI went back leading up to our conversation,

(54:30):
and I have to tell you,man, it's it's just incredible what
you have done in the ring.You know. It's you were so far
ahead of your time on a lotof these and now you see a lot
of these kids today emulating it.But uh, I don't know if you
you you think of it that waythat you did, you know, blaze

(54:52):
a trail and professional wrestling, that'sbeing a huntered today. Yeah. You
know when I when I see stilland breaking table and I like it,
I go, yeah, red eyeAnd I wasn't for me it would be
making chair. But now but usuallyI watch people break tables that I go,
man, that's terrible. I likeit because I'm glad they did it
terribly because mine is better. ButDorn does one as good as mine are

(55:15):
better. I appreciate that too,you know, but do you see a
lot But do you when you lookat what they're doing today, does it
some of it frighten you because theway they're pushing it. You got guys
coming off balconies, and does anyof that The thing is, see I
always said, jumping off a balconyis too far from wrestling. It's too

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far from the ring. Jumping offthe back of a truck or the building.
You can't do that and wrestling becauseit's not by the ring. So
I will an table because it wasring size furniture. I threw a chair
because it chair is all around thearena. I did him with a doll
because I was next to the tableon the table. I didn't. I
didn't originally pull a table out underthe ring. I hated that. I

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only use the table because it wasthe ringside handkeeper and an own table.
I used it because it was there. I didn't use it because I know,
Hey, I won't use the tableif I was in figures. One
didn't with a goddamn hammer. Won'tuse a table that there's a table that
was there, you know, right, But does what some of them are
doing, the dangerous part of it? Does it does it concern you at
all? Yeah? No, Idon't concern me. Uh So totally get

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killed. That won't be my faultbecause I didn't jump up like even like
um uh Shay McMahon's doing. He'skilling it, killing the business. The
sky's you know, coming out ofthe sky and could may crush that or
whatever he's doing. You know,Uh, that's too far from the realm
of wrestling. If a guy isgonna come up that thing and get I

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mean for sure I had time tomove and I was knocked out, woke
up an hour later that time tomove. Yeah, yeah, you know
that far from the realm of wrestling. So no, that don't impress me.
Uh So if he kills himself,I said, ha ha, But
if he I think God killed himselfin the ring, I go, man,
poor dude with a hero all thatMike's sky screen or a building whatever,

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I need, break the bake theirassets too bad? Like uh,
combat Zone, they do a thingoff at the back of the building with
a truck for a right box.After they start to match in the ring,
the wrestle in the ring end upon the roof of the building jumping
in the trucks for a right bob. How convenient, crazy and how far
how sold from the rum of wrestling? Can you get? Yeah? And

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um, and what do you thinkabout what's going on now with you know,
A, E, W and nXT and is this is this all
good for the business? What doyou think of all this now n XT?
What's n x T with the WWEand now you've got A with Cody?
Yeah, you're right, you're right. Uh, I think that it's

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great that A and E is,but I think it's good at w Hell
no, but you know what peoplethink, so they'll find out. I
guess awesome, but uh they're oftenknow a lot of top dollars and uh,
so that's great that we have someoneelse offering top dollar beside them.
Yeah, and it's getting it's it'sit's creating more opportunities for a lot of

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these guys too. So you knowthat sense I couldn't. Mostly I'm glad
you're taking they're doing what they're doingit. But that's ably Like I watched
the show and they say the betressorsin the world, But that's okay that
if they can prove the people good, but they don't have to bet chesters
in the world, they've probably beena good wrestler and over you know,
not just good. Uh technically anyways, I'm glad what they're doing. What

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they're doing, you know, sweet, Yeah, it's just helping professional wrestling,
all right, folks, So don'tmiss your chance to get Sabu's book,
Scars, Silence and Super Glue.And you can go to the website
ECW Sabu dot com and you canget a signed copy through that, or

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as Uh Sabu mentioned, you canget it on Kindle, you know,
even you can do it right online, so that that that works as well.
Right, Yes, I prefer itbecause I have to send it to
you, but if you want anautographed you'd have to get it for me
on the website. All right.Well, I know you're still out there
performing. I hope I run intoyou down the road sometime. But Sabu,

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I'm so glad that we finally caughtup with each other. And thanks
for coming on primetime. All right, then, I appreciate thank you,