Untold Truth Behind Jake the Snake Going Blind - Sean Mooney Tells All

In this explosive episode, former WWF announcer Sean Mooney reveals never-before-heard backstage stories and insider details about one of the most unforgettable storylines in wrestling history — when Jake “The Snake” Roberts was blinded by "The Model" Rick Martel’s infamous "Arrogance" cologne!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
I'm filing that music and I'm filming the show. Oh
count right here.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Of course it's a Golden Air podcast. It's me. It's
Sean Mooney, mister Mooney.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
How you doing today, good brother, how are you?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
I'm doing great?

Speaker 1 (00:20):
And I can see out of both my eyes though
I can see And that's the topic of today. At
the time that Jake the Steak Roberts went blind in
the WWE, and I'll tell you what, that freaked me
out as a kid.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Freaked me that f.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
But for you personally, you know, sometimes you can you
know how the sausage is made.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
But when you see Jake.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Walking on the hallway, like, hey, Sean, there he is
is one eyeball missing.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
What does that look like to you personally?

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Well, it's not like it was the first time that
people had done things to gimmick their eyes. And of
course the undertake, he didn't even need that, he just
you know, did the I still can't do that with
my eyes just completely looked quite But but yeah, I mean,
you've seen that before. And if you look and if people,

(01:14):
maybe for the first time who were wrestling fans, had
never heard of a storyline like this. A gimmick storyline,
but you had to look down in the book aways
to find the blindfold match. But it was just a
different a different version of it. But there was a
lot more going on as far as behind the scenes
with this and where Rick Martel was in his career

(01:37):
and the direction he was trying to go and even
considering that he'd had enough of the business already. So
he had basically had walked away before because he wanted
you know that he was always looked at as a
babyface and he felt that it was not really going
to take him anywhere. He was a mid carter at best,

(02:00):
and so, and he'd always wanted to be a heel
and had initially gone to Vincent said you know, I
want to do this. I want to I want to
turn and they were like, you're kidding me, you know
you you you're not You're just not heel material basically,
and we don't think he can pull it off. Him
and Pat Patterson say, and and so uh Rick basically

(02:23):
said okay, well I'm out and just and walked away.
And I think they were kind of wait a minute.
I think he furious, and they brought him back in saying, oh, well,
we can work with this, but you know, we're turning
Randy and it might muddy the waters and we don't
know if it's but what what, we'll do it, but
just you know, give us some time. We'll work it

(02:44):
up and we'll get into it. And he came back
and realized, no, they're just having me do the same
stuff again, and I mean it and I'm out. And uh,
I think he tells a story. And there's not many
interviews with with Rick because when he left, he basically
left for good and just kind of put it all
behind him and went into the real estate business. And
we can talk about that later his his reasons for that,

(03:07):
but you know, he he really said that either I'm
going to do this because I think this is the
only thing that's going to help me progress in this business.
Because he'd been at it a very long time and
and was really serious about it when he came back,
like that time they just mentioned and then he said
that he went to do these promos and it was

(03:29):
you know, all out, full faced babyface and he said,
I'll be right back, guys, and just walked out of
the building. So he was serious about becoming a heel.
And and they valued him as as a wrestler, as
a hand and so they eventually did it. Then they

(03:51):
had to come up with a gimmick and that's another story.
But this leading up to this, and we will need
to talk about where Jake was at his point at
this point in the ww F WWE. So there's there
was a lot going on in this leading up to
WrestleMania seven where these two stepped in the ring and
couldn't really see what was going on.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Are you are you over there? Clap anyone, clap like Tinkerbell?

Speaker 3 (04:16):
You know the crowd. He's over there, He's over there.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Don't you see him? Oh, I'm sorry, you're wearing a blindfolds.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
But honestly, like I said, it freaked me the f
out seeing that. I because for so long you'd see
someone wearing a neck break. Oh no, they're gonna pile drive.
They have to wear a neck brace. It's a visual
you see it. Oh, you have a cast on your arm,
a sling things of that nature. Now they wear tape,
like just put a bunch of tape around your bellies.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Got broken ribs.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
But this is the first time, at least for me
and maybe mainstream television in the WWF being the you know,
the NFL of all the leagues, showing this on television
on a again Saturday morning, folks where I live Saturday morning,
This is airing at ten o'clock in the morning, and
there's Jake. Hey, I can't see man, He's got like
glasses on. They show his eyes. It's missing, and I'm

(05:05):
thinking to myself, how did this happen? I My eyes
are blue out the world? Did the whole damn thing
this disappear? I didn't know about movie Magic Moody. I
didn't know about it and a little kid. This really
threw me for a tail spin. Like Jake, the Snake,
Roberts and the w WF history has crazy storylines and
this is one of them. And I'm very excited to

(05:25):
talk about this. He said, where was Jake when this
whole thing started? Where was Rick Marte? Well, will, let's
flush back, because Rick Martell was a pretty prominent tag
team with Tito Santana the Strike being tags for a
long time and then eventually Heal Turn takes place at
WrestleMania Demolition, become champions and they have a hell of
a run.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
But yeah, they did, they did. There's no question about that.
But I think that you know, Rick had always wanted
to succeed at the very top as a as a
single and did have a great run with with Tito.
He'd not he'd had other tag team partners before. You

(06:07):
know that, Uh, that did pretty well, but that was
kind of the peak as far as his tag team
performances went. And uh so you know, as they they
went along, but that was always in his mind that
he felt like, if I'm going to do this, I
want to be at the top, I want to be
among the top carters that are the top of you know,

(06:27):
of the lineup and so to speak. And uh, you see,
at some point, you know, it's just not happening, and uh,
we've you know, I got to do something or I'm
going to walk away from this. His final reasons will
we'll get into a bit of why he did walk away,
but at this point he was serious that even you know,
either this happens and I'm going to be able to

(06:50):
start climbing up higher as a singles performer, or really
I'll walk away from it. At the time, you could
still do pretty well. Uh, independently going over to Japan
and some of these other outfits. So it wasn't like,
you know, he was going to just quit the business,
but he was tired of the road. There was really

(07:11):
no other, uh you know, outfit that had such demands
on its talent, like you could certainly make a lot
more money, but as far as the physical aspect of
it and the mental aspect of it of doing it
day to day really started to wear on a lot
of people at that point, and he was certainly among
them as far as Jake, as far as Jake to
stake Roberts goes and we've had several discussions Steve about

(07:34):
how his career went, and it just never seemed like
he he had some of the as you said, some
of the greatest storylines ever. I mean, you could you
could put Jake into any situation. He was really good
about coming up with, you know how of angles that
he could go up against anybody, so to speak, and

(07:55):
make it work and could improvise, and he had it
all as far as and being a master in front
of the camera and the microphone, and it just all
it was seemed like there was always something that that
set him back or shut it down, or it just
never seemed to just happen for whatever reason. And I

(08:18):
don't know he was in a sense snake bit. I
think we could say because you know, you just go,
you go on and on, and he had some very
very successful runs. I'm not saying that it's just that
always when he would you know, The Warrior is certainly
one of those examples, uh where you know, the big
paydays in a great run and then through no fault
of his own, uh, it collapses. So you know, this

(08:41):
is this is where there was still more for Jake
to do in the the WWE at that point, but
this was this was a pretty good run for both
of them for sure.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
And the Jake before this storyline had was in the
Robberty with Andre the Giant. Before that, there was a
million till the Man, Bad News Brown, those stinky rats like.
He had a lot of great prominent storylines. And then
after even after this I thing, you know, we have
earthquake killing Damien, we have this darkness of Warrior, Turney

(09:13):
Heel Hag king Kobo try to eat the Macho Man.
There is an endless amount of storyline for Jake. But
you are right, as I talked to you before interviews,
is he's always said, well, it always felt like there
was something just about I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna
get it, let me get it. Then push, Yeah, it
would just disappeared. It wasn't his fault, it was more
just something else happened, domino effect and then boom. He's

(09:36):
in that spot where everything was supposed to line up
perfectly and unfortunately it didn't. I'm just surprised you said
too about Rick de Marl Martel, because Strikeforce was champions
for like a year. When you think about champions at
this time around, they did not jump around with hot potato.
If you were champion, you were champion for quite a
long time until another team would beat you, and then

(09:57):
they would hold it for a long time. Having Rick
Martel saying that, you know, thanks for the run, thanks
for the titles, but really like I would rather do
this by myself. And that's a gamble because he's not tall,
and that's nothing against him. That's the land of the
giants at this point in time. He's not huge, he's
not jacked. He's just he's a good hand and I

(10:19):
always thought it was weird watching watching him like run down,
smiling like kissing babies. Then a year later, he's spraying
arrogance in people's faces. Like what a what a transition
When you think one person can't do something, he actually can.
So for you, you know, did you prefer the model
versus the strike Force?

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Oh? Absolutely? I think it was uh And and when
you ask people how do they how do you remember
Rick Martel? You remember him as the model, the the arrogant.
You know, look at me, the tennis sweater over his shoulders,
you know, the and the spray and you know, you
talk about, you know, strike force, and they did. They
held the belt for a good distance, a good time.

(11:03):
And at the same time though, you know, and me
looking at it, I was like they had it that long.
And I think that most people think about that. You
can think about Strike Force, it doesn't they're not at
the top. You're maybe are they in the top ten?
I you know, I'm not to take anything away from
both of those performers. I love Tito and I thought
he was a great performer in the ring, and same

(11:24):
with Rick. But when you when you look at them
as a tag team, and the fact that they did
hold those belts for quite some time, and you know,
when people may remember they were tag team champions, but
they got not of any major significance. You know, It's
just it's just the way it is. And I think

(11:45):
that probably even at that time, Rick probably realized it too,
Not that he wasn't incredibly grateful that he, you know,
was able to wear a strap for the WWE uh
And that's certainly great on the resume and looking back,
but if anybody remembers Rick Martel, they remember him as
a heel run and I bet he would take great
pride in that because it's something that he always wanted.

(12:07):
And he you know, he talks about the you know,
these guys that are they're good looking. You know, you
weren't really thought of back then. If you're a good
looking had a good physique, you just had to be
a baby face. You know. The people really they couldn't
accept the fact that you could just be a nasty,
evil person. And he talks about the whole thing is

(12:28):
that you know with the baby face. You aw, he's
got you know, everything's great and say what you want
about me, and I just got I can't really say
it back. And he says, when you're a heel, all
the heat gets to come out. I get to say
whatever the hell I want to you, because it's part
of my character, is what I do. So you know,
he enjoyed that for a number of reasons. But and

(12:49):
you talk to you know, I don't know if I've
ever really ever talked to a professional wrestler that told
me they didn't love a period of time when they
got to be a heel, that that wasn't their favorite part,
because you know, you get to just go, you get
to let loops. Being a baby face can be difficult,
you know, especially in the world of professional wrestling, in

(13:11):
the in the crowds and the you know, all you
deal with every day, and it's it's it's fun in
the ring too. You get to be this asshole, you know,
and it's just who doesn't want who? Who doesn't? That's what?
Why would we like heal so much? They get to
do what we can't do, uh, you know in public
or you know at the at the at the home

(13:31):
depot and some jerk you know, cuts in front of
you or whatever, you know, Uh, and they get to
do that for you. So, uh, it's a it's a blast.
They they everybody loves being a heel, and and Rick
wanted that opportunity. I think it was something inside of
him to you know, to prove you know, how many
he'd been told by the bookers and everything all the
way along, you know, you're just not your your baby face,

(13:54):
come on, and to prove them all wrong. And and
he did, you know he was who liked a model?
What I you know, I can't believe that guy. He's
so freaking narcissistic. He's a followed himself and you know,
and uh, he definitely pulled it off.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Oh yeah, I loved him so much.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
And when he when he did first turn heel too,
is he had Slick as a manager for a bit
because this is the time of oh you're a heel,
well you need a manager, and uh it's only a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
And then his time goes on.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Slick.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah, yeah, Bobby Jimmy, Uh you know, we're locked up.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
We're locked up right now. Uh you get Humper Dank?
Is he around somewhere? And do we still love Humper Dink?

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah? Yeah, he worked a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Probably did.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
But now that I get nothing against him though, don't
hurt me, but I do love the model. But eventually, yeah,
he starts becoming this model character and he starts carrying
around this thing called Arrogance, which looks like a giant
like get rid of the pests and the.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Old cartoons bug spray. Yeah, yeah right.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
And it's just a yeah but what all right, here's
a question for you, if you want to, you know,
peel back the curtain. Let's get unreal here for a moment.
What is inside the Arrogance spray?

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Can? Oh it's uh uh the the uh cologne only
made for him. I believe it was made in France. Uh,
of course. Yeah. I always thought that you know that
it was basically water, but I don't know. There was
no scent to it, so you know, you wanted to

(15:28):
have some kind of smell or something to it. But uh,
I guess if you put anything in there, it could
have been dangerous when you're spraying it in people's faces.
But yeah, I and always thought I had it. I
always because I know that they experimented. They had they
had the big giant perfume bottle that had the little
hand thing and it just didn't spray very well and

(15:50):
it just it. But the bug sprayer thing, you know,
you had you got said thing, the big mist would
come out. Uh. So that's what they settled with, and
you know, the arrogance on the side, but you couldn't
get it. You know, it was only it was it
just tint. It was just his own which I'm kind
of surprised. I think today they would have arrogance, they

(16:11):
would have a cologne, right, and that would have been
part of the merchandising deal. But that was just you know,
it was a private stock just for him because he
was that special and no one else could wear it.
I always loved seeing, you know, the the when I
would do it, you know, I would kind of play
it up, but Jeane was just so funny what he'd

(16:34):
be like, you know, like, yeah, and Rick would be
spraying him and ju would be just going crazy. But yeah,
that that was effective. But it that was like a
bug sprayer. So I guess that was part of the
heel aspect of it, because you know, if you think

(16:55):
you think back Steve, of all the people that wore
too much cologne, in most cases they were assholes. They
put you know, yes, the guys that did just put
too much on for you know, they just yeah, because
I'm just that special. Everybody he loves, you know, and
I want you to smell me coming. I want to
be in another room, and it's just.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
I want to know you're here by smelling you from
the other room.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
That's yeah, But but you do people like that. I
certainly do still do. Yeah, we're not mentioning names.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
No, I will not mention my friend Bend's name.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
It was the gimmick. The gimmick worked, and I was
really happy for Rick because it showed a whole new
side of him and kind of jump started him again
and gave him another you know, nice run with the
with the w W E.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
I think I gave him an identity because Strikeforce was
just like you are. Yeah, you were just a baby face.
Everybody I'm here, have a good time. I'm gonna do
give him auto percent. That's what I'm gonna do. If I, oh, gosh,
I lost, well, I guess I'll try it next time
like that was him this time.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
It's fun.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
You bring up the giant bug sprayer too, because as
a child you see Bruster Barbara Beefcake not walking around
with scissors but hedge clippers.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
And you're like, are you kind of be able to
say with that?

Speaker 1 (18:11):
But in reality, it's hey, man, you're in a twenty
thousand person arena.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
I need to see. It's like watching out play. I need.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Everything's got to be bigger. So it's giant ass bug Sprayer.
And I did love Vince even on commentary.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Like oh oh I could smell from hair like.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Sir Howell bab.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, you're right about selling the cologne though, because in
the attitude era, I remember the commercials, it was like stone.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Cooled, Steve Austin DX be Undertaker.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
They only wear one thing WWF cologne and and you're
like what they do. And so in today's world, people
would have bought up arrogance in the big Sprayer.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Oh shit, that'd be back here right now.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
That'd be a replica Sprayer boom be hanging out right there.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
That is, And that would have been brilliant, right, not
the normal cologne bottle, but have it as a little
time you know, like a little bugs yes in the morning. Yeah,
but it's funny you mentioned those the gimmicks. You know,
everything had to be huge, and I know, like with Brutus,
they initially thought, you know, maybe we could have a
big pair of scissors, you know, and then you know,
like the ones they have for the ribbon cuttings at

(19:18):
buildings you know that that never work, and they realized
that that they were just too weird to try and
wheeld you know, to do. So that's what with the
hedge climmers. You got two hedge clippers, you got the
two handles there and you just you can do the
chopper thing. Uh So there was you know, experimentation there.
And it was same with the models we mentioned. They had,

(19:38):
you know, they had the big perfume bottle with the
little uh you know, the squeezy thing that you would
and that didn't work. So bugspray it was. And as
we get to that Brother Love performance, I was a
little I was a little disappointed on how it all
went down.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Oh, I was, well, you were upset that on the
Brother Love sh that Jake was there and the model
showed up. And he model is afraid of snakes, probably
just like a common man, not Dusty Rose, of course,
a regular common man. And he's not spraying the snake
with the arrogance while Jake's not paying attention.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
When Jake goes to stop him, it seems to.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Be an accident that suddenly the spray is popped up
right into Jake's eyes. He goes down, he sells like
someone shot him in the face. And that's where we
lead into the back safe segments with the blindfold.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
He's got gauze all over his eyes.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
He's screaming. The doctors don't know what they're doing. But
what are you upset about?

Speaker 3 (20:34):
That?

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Up for not standing in and helping?

Speaker 3 (20:36):
No? Oh no, we Brother Loves step in and help anybody. Yes, sure,
I don't believe. I don't think he loved anybody by himself. Yeah.
And the red paint his face.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
What do you You're so mean? That is his natural
skin color.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Sure, that's why it showed up all over his collar
when he was that was That was another thing I
had an issue. I don't understand why at least could
have found better makeup. But anyway, I digress. But getting
back to the incident and the whole thing I think
worked really well. It was great. You know that Jake

(21:17):
finally comes out after the model drones on with Brother
Love and uh, you know, Brother Loves garating Jake about
the snake, the stinky, smelly snake, and Martell all the
models behind him spraying all over the places he said,
spraying the snake, And then we build up to the climax,

(21:38):
and I had to look at it a couple of
times that you barely see him spraying in him in
the eyes. It was so quick. I you know, I
wanted to see like a full fourth right in the face,
and they have the camera angle right so you see
it and the glisson on his forehead and cheeks and
none of that eyes and then I'm like, oh my god,

(21:59):
it was just no. I mean, and then they had
to and I think they realized that too, is you
during the commentary You're like, oh, oh.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
He got got them directly in the Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
And I just thought that all the blocking of that
guys and all the stuff that we do, and you know,
and we that that was that was it. You know,
we had that guys that would go out with a
handheld cameras. We's had him at ring, so why wasn't
there one around there? So when that happened, you see it,
and then we're right and then white and I thought,

(22:29):
you know, and then Rich would have gone, you know,
get a couple more, just a couple more shots right
there in the face. It didn't happen, but they sold
it well, I mean, Jake sold it. Did he sell it?
And the commentators, the comment Terry on it was just
over the top, shall we say, And off to the

(22:51):
races we went that we had Jake blinded by.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Now here's the question for you.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Now I have a question is about the thing because
it's Rick Martell doesn't like the stinky snake. Jake gets
too close to the sprayer, he gets it in the eyes.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Did the model accidentally spray Jake in the face or
did he do it on purpose?

Speaker 3 (23:16):
This thing working? You? Okay?

Speaker 2 (23:18):
In there? Hey, it was an action I.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Have to Oh, okay, let's play it that way. Fall Okay,
we'll do it. Hey, I think let me just say this.
Let's say he took it. Let's say he took advantage
of an opportunity. Maybe he hadn't, It wasn't I when
I go, this is what's gonna Happen'm gonna make sure
I get him right in the eyes. I think the

(23:41):
model took advantage of an opportunity, shall we say?

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Right? And uh and and knew that it was gonna
set off a firestorm, which it did leading up to
WrestleMania seven and what we saw happen there.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, but there's a lot that happens between that and
the big thing though, is now Jake. Anytime you see him,
they do these promos backstage or in the hospital. He's
wearing gauze like he's gone blind completely, and he's trying
to walk around. He's knocking things over, he's learning because
he can't see. Eventually, he does a promo and he's
talking sideways like this, and then he turns to the

(24:22):
camera and you and it's revealing that his eye is missing, like,
oh my god, it's all white, it's all clattered over
and that to me, the reveal is one of those
holy shit moments. But when I interviewed Jake a few
years ago and I asked him about this this contact,
well spoiler alerts is a contact.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
He told me he wear that shit around. He went
to the grocery store with that contact in.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
He walked everywhere to make sure that people saw him
and they thought he actually was blind. To me, that
is pure dedication, because it's very easy to be like, Ooh,
I broke my arm on TV, I have a cast.
Oh take my cast off. I'm gonna go to my
son's soccer game this weekend. No, Jake's like I can't
say how Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Well, and uh, you know, if you know Jake's background,
he's old school. He came from that in a family
that was all about professional wrestling. And back then, you
sold in and out of the ring. The heels and
the baby faces did not mix when they went into public.
If you ran into him in a bar, you'd stay

(25:22):
on one end, they'd stay on the other. They didn't
travel together, they didn't stay together. And uh, and we
can you imagine today with social media, how how much
you could really put that stuff over with it as
we've seen. But uh, you know, the curtains back now
so they don't have to do this. It's they we

(25:43):
all know what it is. But back then, the you know,
they they extended reality. Uh, suspended beyond the arena, not
just the ring, beyond the arena. And when they went
out and Jake was committed and even if it was
a chance, it's run because he still wanted to go
out in the public. He wanted to be able to

(26:04):
do live his life. But he was world famous at
that time. Everybody knew who Jake Roberts was. That it
was anybody who was following the WWE at the time
knew what was happening, and suddenly he's having no problem.
It's like the the insurance investigator following you around, like
wait a minute, wait a minute, you couldn't see yesterday.

(26:26):
Now what you're here and you can. Everything's fine. I
think that he probably could have gotten away with maybe
a dark pair of sunglasses wearing everywhere. But he took it.
He took it all the way. And the question is here,
h was he really blind in a sense that Okay,
one eye is out out, he's partially blind or what?

(26:51):
And it's just a crazy question. But I guess he
couldn't go with both. That would have been really tough
at the grocery store.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
I mean tough to contact, like, okay, Jake, you're blind.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
But I take about that. Then I love that idea
only when eye got hit. Uh okay.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
I do like that though, because they do try to
suggest he's blind, like not out of whine, because they do.
They do segments with like Rick Martell has a cane
and brother Love and pretending he's blind walking around and
then Jake comes out and he's in his Cosby sweater
and he can't see and he falls over like he
can't see like he's blind completely and then the glasses
fall off and you do see one eye.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
So I'm thinking to myself, well, why is one? Why
is one? Eat?

Speaker 3 (27:41):
And it doesn't sell us quite as well if you say,
and he's looking him looking at me, he's partially blind,
Well he's got another one. But yeah, we're just making
light of that storyline. But yes, uh, it was back
then we people accepted a lot like just state we

(28:05):
could tell you could tell them this is the way
it is, this is what we're going to, this is
our suspended animation, and just keep just go, just go
with us, just just go with what we're saying here.
And and he's blind, okay, can't he can't see? No.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Wow, it's interesting though, but it's still disturbing that chick's like, yeah,
weren't around everywhere, didn't care, gonna steal that shit? Like
yes you do, sir, And like the first time they
have a big matchup though it's not one on one
Jake and Rick Martel is not one on one yet.
Survivor series nineteen ninety my favorite Survivor series.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
And this is why you know that.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Rick Martel really believed in himself that even if Vince
McMahon believed in the Model character because this is the
first time everyan Survivor's series history that we have a
clean sweep and a match the Visionaries, which is all
Rick Charlos's team clean sweep over Jake's team. So the Visionaries,
Rick Martel, the Warlord, Hercules, and Paul Roma defeat Jake

(29:04):
the Snake, Jimmy Snooka and the Rockers. They Rick Martel's
team wins, beats everybody, and then they go into the
main event of.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
The Saviva Series called the Grand Finale.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
All the winners of all the matches all night long
eventually hit the end in a big match, all the
good guys versus all the bad guys. So technically, Rick
Martell main invented his first ever in last ever pay
per view at Savivor Series nineteen ninety The Model character
doing pretty well if he's getting a clean sweep, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Oh and those were you know, well known, very accomplished,
top of the card kind of guys. So yeah, that
was victory. That victory counted big time. You know, you're
taking people out like the Rockers and these guys, It
really did. And you know, I think that you have

(29:53):
to realize at that point, if that's what's happening there,
they're they're pushing you, they are behind you, and so
you know, that was a really good sign that that's
what was happening for Rick, because they didn't just do that,
and especially when you're setting, you know history of the event,
so you know there was no small effort behind that,

(30:17):
and the fact that they did that really did was
kudos to Rick Martel and the other people in the
ring the day.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
And I don't think you have a clean sweep on
a team until I think two thousand and six when
it's Dx the Hardy Boys and Sam Punk all together
on one team defeating you know, Edge and Rinny Orton
and their team.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
So it takes a.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Long time for another team out of Fibers Series history
to have a clean sweep and a match. And again,
the Model wasn't the main event, so we did get
to take on Hultkogen Ultimate Warrior in his former Tax
team partner Tito Santana that was on one side. The
other side was the Visionaries and the Million Dollar Man.
So I would say, you know, it's pretty awesome if

(30:58):
you're the Model, realizing that you believed in yourself, and
it's turning out to be true because you're clean sweeping,
you're the main event, and you're fighting Hogan and Warrior
all in the same exact night. You know, it's it's
pretty awesome that this one storyline really helped him get
his career.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
On the path.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
He wanted it, because it's not like he had have
bad career ever. But now it's all working out. Not
for Jake though, because in that match he can't see.
He still has that one eye contact, so when he
gets in the ring, it's one on four and the
visual of Jake in the corner, he's like holding up
to the corner. He's getting trying to get like all pumped.
He realized, I got one eye and I got four guys.
I gotta fight here. But then they closed on him

(31:39):
on this blind side and it's pretty much over from there.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Never saw it coming. Yeah, that's Jake though, sold it
sold it, always looking ahead, knowing where that was going
to create that heat and more and more so, uh,
you know it was it was culminating. As you mentioned,
they did a nice lead up to WrestleMania seven to

(32:03):
really get you know, the ultimate heat for this this
encounter and and it was different was something different too.
I think a lot of people, as you said, you'd
never really heard about seeing a match like this. So
when everybody's thinking, you know, how in the world are
they going to do this? How how can they uh
you know, people may have thought, now, there's got to

(32:23):
be able to see through that thing. But as Rick
would recount years later that it wasn't easy even with
that trying to uh, you know, work that that match out.
And they had they did a rehearsal match at one
of the TV tapings which exists. You can actually find
that one and how they kind of work that dance

(32:47):
out because they didn't really know, you know, how how
we're going to make this work. You know, you can
sit there and talk about it, but then you know,
everything is all your your spatial awareness is all kind
of screwed up. When even when you're looking through netting
like that, I mean, try it sometime with something you

(33:09):
know that it's dark like that, and you may be
we'll see, but you know, your peripheral vision is gone,
and that's really important when you're in there working as well.
So they did have a chance to do a kind
of rehearsal on it and said, you know, yeah, we
can make this work, Rick saying that, you know, after
we got out and they said yeah and that' and

(33:29):
then what we saw at WrestleMania seven was the end product.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, I imagine rehearsal is necessary for a type of
match like that before.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Well, yeah, in a lot of cases do that. And
remember I told you how we used to have the
warehouse where we had a ring there and the guys
would come in and for a certain you know, matchup
that required some things to work out, and you really
just couldn't do it by discussing it. You had to,
you know, actually go in there and see, okay, this

(33:58):
is how we're going to do this, and that that
certainly helped in a match like this. Yeah, it was
much needed.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
What's even crazier though, on the road to that wrestling
a seven blind full match is the Royal Rumble, because
you get you have those promos backstage before the Rumble,
people are picking their numbers.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Jake's still blind technically out of one.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Eye, and Rick Marl Martel, he does this amazing pose
and he's jacked out, he has he has thickened out.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
He looks great.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
And I remember telling my mom watched this as a kid.
I was like, I want to grow up and be
a wrestler. I want to look just like him. And
she's like, well you have to work out, and I
was like, probably not going to be a wrestler.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
So didn't do that. You know, TV worked out for
a little while. But Royal Rumble this.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Rore Rumble nineteen ninety one, the model breaks a record.
He goes fifty three minutes in this world Rumble. So
you're telling me you have a clean sweep. It's a
favor series, all right. You made invented against Hogan a warrior.
Now you're gonna be like the Iron Man in this match. Well,
Jake gets eliminated by him, and Jake runs in the ring.

(34:58):
He's trying to find the model and models scrimming around.
It's a really nice moment, but the model goes fifty
three minutes again. How many wrestlers do you know, of
the years that you worked with Rummy have told you
an idea or things that they thought they should do,
and they never get it done because of being afraid
of standing up for themselves.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
The model clearly standing up for himself. All panned out
very well. For this run.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yeah, and it's not that there weren't others that stood
up for themselves and did everything they had to do.
It takes it takes a lot, all those as the
planets have to line up. But it does show you
the commitment and the belief that that Vince and Pat
and Bruce you know at the time, had had in Rick.

(35:46):
They had gone with him and said, Okay, we're going
to go with this heel run. And they obviously realized
that it was working. It's all about how the fans
react to it. So they they're not going to keep
going at with something if it's not working. They had
been added way long, way too long not to know
if it was working or not. But that aside, it

(36:11):
really does show that this was a big push. That
whole period of time was a big push for the model.
And all you had to do is look, as you
just mentioned all of the accomplishments along the way, then
that they were pushing the model Rick Martel big time
and so and it was working. So that you know,
when you see that happening, you know that you've got

(36:33):
the company behind you.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
And then WrestleMania, one of the most famous matches of
all time either love it or you hate it, or
you have thought about it. But there's no doubt that
there was a custom match made for the storyline. A
lot of people did not get that. Usually, Oh, we're
gonna find a steel cage. Well it's not like you're
you are the wrestler who's associated with the steel cage.
You know, undertakers, associated with casket matches, this blindfold match.

(36:59):
It No one at this time in the w WF
fan lore has seen something like this.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
This might in other companies, It probably has. The storyline
probably did.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
But everything about it and this is fresh in my
eyes and it's fresh in everyone else's eyes. But medical
science is also in the eyes of Jake the Snake
because out of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
His eye has been healed. That was a possible. How
does this I grow back? It just appeers one day.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Do you have any real, you know, an explanation if
you were writing the storyline, Well, what would you tell the fans?

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Why is your eye just better? Just healed?

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Yes? I think that, Uh, you know, he he followed
all his doctor's advice and uh did what he had
to do, and it was it was healing along the way.
And fortunately by the time it got to that point,
it had pretty much a miracle at.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
A current mayor reccle.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Uh yeah, yeah, that that happened a lot where things
would happen suddenly you know, they've been in a neck
brace for however long, and then oh my god, good,
let's go. So uh uh. The interesting part of this
match too is that looking back at it, and I
think it was what almost nine minutes long, I think

(38:20):
is the the length of it. But but like you
watch it, you watch it, and I don't know if
they could have pulled it off as well today with
how we are so we've gotten so used to these matches.
It's just that, you know, one thing after another after another,

(38:41):
it's just boom boom, boom, boom boom. And then and
you had moments here where you know, they're just looking
around for you know, for that person whoever, and the
you know, Rick's ringside's got the chair and he's just
jabbing it air. And you know there's moments where there's
just a lot happening and they're trying and it's there's
not a whole lot of uh, great moves going on

(39:02):
or you know in between, and uh, I don't know
if they would have had the patience to let this
thing play out and get the payoff today and even
in that, even in that, not it wasn't really a
long matchup. But that was my thinking, you know, watching
it that I don't know if people would have you know,

(39:23):
when they I don't know if they'd start chanting, boring
or what. But I just think, you know, back then,
you know, people were much more used to seeing how
things would would play out. You could do an arm
bar for how many minutes, you know, but there would
be more and then to this building and then people
would start chanting boom, you know, clapping or uh. So

(39:48):
at the time, it really did work, and that I'm
sure that the fact that they had a chance to
work this through before that, you know, all of it
I thought was. I thought it was a very entertaining
match overall, and especially the timing of it, the when
he gets the DDT and uh you know, finishes it up. Uh.

(40:09):
I thought, I just saw all that worked really well,
and that just shows what you know, great performers. Those
two guys are true.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Now, I have different perspectives, of different ages about how
I felt about this. For as long as I remember,
I hated this match. I thought it was boring. I
thought it was even then.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
See yeah, I did not like it. Then I was like,
this is just what are we doing.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
We're pointing and we're clapping and now, okay, now that's
my thought for a long, long, long time. Even wrestling
website called wrestle crap dot com, this is like one
of their big pieces talking about what a dumb idea,
this is what a bad.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Match, this is what about you know all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
But if you think about it, well, okay, Rick blinded Jake. Okay,
so now Jake wants the model to feel like he did,
and we're both gonna be blind but this time it's
fair game. You've been picking on me since you blinded
me back in October of nineteen ninety. Here we are
in much of ninety one. We're gonna get revenge on you.

(41:10):
But I'll be blindfholtoed to You'll be blindfolded, and you're
gonna feel my pain. Okay I understand that now in
a storyline sense, but visually, without diving deep and using
my adult brain to.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Think that through.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
I thought it was dumb because if you didn't watch
all of those matches and all that storyline building to
all this like we just did right now.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
It doesn't have the same feeling if you.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Blindly ha ha ha pun intended, if you just put
this match on and watch it.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Okay, But I do love the idea. It's crowd participation.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
We are going to point and it's like hot cold,
you know, Marco Polo. We're getting closer. I'm getting closer.
I'm getting closer. A louder cheers, louder cheers. All right,
I run across the ring, all the bad.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Guy moves, I've just missed them. Just you can do
it again too. We're gonna do it again. We're gonna
do it again.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
And so I think you get you get, yeah, and
you get my point that it was it was different.
That's what I liked about it. We hadn't I guess,
it wasn't this new concept, but they made it their own.
And as I said that, I don't know, I don't
think you could pull it off today because even then,
like you were even a little antsy when you're watching, like, come.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
On do something, Anthony, I was really but but I had.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
But my appreciation of it was that I was really curious.
As I said before, how are they going to do
this and make it work? And I think that when
they were doing that rehearsal the match and their idea,
I don't think they were initially thinking, okay, and we
got to get the crowd into it and tell me
where to go. The crowd started doing that, and that's

(42:46):
what they and then I think, you know, Jake said this,
this could this could work. This is a different you
know there we're bringing them into the they're helping me,
they're helping you know. And so that's I said. I
found it entertaining in that sense in it, but it
was everything like you said, And and that was back then,

(43:06):
so I don't I don't think it could work today.
And and the crowds were you know that that crowd
was well, I think it was because they're at the
LA Coliseum instead of another cause of the arena instead
of the coliseum. And so what are you talking about
twenty thousand people? But the way they had it, you know,

(43:28):
with with the ringside and stuff like that, you could
you could I'm not saying you couldn't hear the crowd,
but sometimes when it's that big, you can't decipher. It's
just one big giant crowd noise. But they got that
idea initially during the light the rehearsal stuff, seeing the
crowd get into it, and so that added a whole
different new aspect to it. And I always thought after that, now,

(43:49):
you know, how could they capitalize on that and do
it more somehow to where you've got the crowd feels
like we were kind of part of that, you know,
And but I just really couldn't couldn't really think of
other ways you could. But we've seen it happen since,
you know, But I would remember thinking back then, this

(44:09):
is kind of brilliant that they that they've brought, you know,
got the crowd into it, that are actually directing and
helping him. So overall that, like I said, I just
thought it was it was an entertaining match. It was
very different, and it was kind of a nice way
to pay that off. It made it made a lot
of sense. As you said, Jake said, I you know,
look what I had, the suffering I went through, and

(44:30):
now you're going to experience a taste of what I've
had to endure.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah, so it was cool and now it's cool. I
love it now, Like I love the idea of it.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Now I'm like, oh man, the crowd involved, and we're
both going to go to a nice slow pace and
the crowd's going to dictate the pace of this match. Okay, cool,
And they get so exciting when they almost get close
when they touched the referee and it's the you know
they I love that aspect of it, But at the time,
for like twenty years of my life, I would agree
with wrestle craft dot Com and think, you know this

(45:04):
is this is not a good idea because you're expecting
to pay to see wrestling, but you see something else.
But what you're seeing is a payoff of a storyline.
So it really depends all what you're looking for. Because
I bet a million dollars to one someone absolutely loves
this match or loves WrestleMania seven. It's their favorite WrestleMania
like because they started watching then, or they're they're a
Jake guy, or they're a model guy or girl. So

(45:26):
in reality, this could be someone's favorite or this could
be someone's worst. And so really up to you, I think,
do you love the blind fold match? Do you hate
the blind fold match? It's up to you. What I
love is that contact for this whole time. Man, that
thing still haunts me to my still.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Well, the thing is, Steve, you know, when you when
it when it's art. Sometimes it's a Monet and sometimes
it's a Picasso where you're just the part. It's just
weird look, but still art. And that to me. And
also I think about you remember the what WrestleMania seven
was all about? With yes and and you know, and

(46:07):
so it was. It was it was a that there
was a lot going on that whole wrestle Mania seven,
as we have discussed at length. But I thought this
was uh you know, a nice uh different angle to
that whole giant event and it and it was very different.
And like I said, I enjoyed it. I I but

(46:27):
I you know, I was looking at it from maybe
a different point of view of you know, how you're
going to pull it off? And I thought they did
and in it and when they the DDT and him
taking care of him, and it was okay, dude, you know,
I finished this and so it worked. It worked for me.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Yeah, And you know, Jake eventually quits the w W
an nine tinety two, Rick the Marta Martell eventually leaves
in nineteen ninety two, returning later on at ninety three
for a little while, have a small run, and that's
pretty much the end of the model. But at this time, though,
the Model was on fire because his outfits, Yeah is

(47:08):
his again, the arrogance, his pink clothes, everything about him
was a perfect thing to boo and hate Jake the
stink Roberts.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
After this, though, we talked.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
About in our ninety one podcast about when Vince fires
the Warrior, how after this it's supposed to be Jake
and Warrior and a Tyler run and things of that
nature does not pan out. What an amazing storyline that
this goes nowhere because Jake has to eventually turn heel
to fill in that spot and then takes all Macho Man,

(47:41):
which creates another amazing storyline. But I think Jake would
have rather have been fighting Warrior and they may become
world champion versus sticking at King and Cobra and the
Macho Man and never getting a championship opportunity.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Yeah. Absolutely, And as we said, it just always seemed
to somehow work out that way for Jake, because yeah,
I mean, I honestly I could have seen him with
I think he could have pulled off being a world champion.
I could have seen him with the with the belt.
He was he was that good, and he was at

(48:18):
the top of the line up there for a long
time and could go toe to toe with everybody and
and make everybody better and make those storylines great because
he had his own ideas that were you know, from
the pointlet with earthquake and his the initial when when
earthquake squashes Damien and the idea was it that Jake

(48:39):
was going to be knocked out, And Jake's like, no, no,
you know, I need to be tied up in the
ropes because I have to see it. You know that
that was you know, his the way he thought about
He could look at situations and help them make it better.
And it's it's just amazing to me that it just
always seemed to something would happen and uh and many

(48:59):
times note through no fault of his own, not he's
you know, he still had a incredible career, but I
think we all realized it could have even been much
much more than than the way it played out. Getting
back to to Rick, you know, you think about that point,
he was kind of peaking at that but what do

(49:20):
you do with them after that did. I don't. I
don't know if I would have ever seen him as
a w w F champion.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
I just the incinal champion, you know.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Yeah, certainly like a mountain.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
He runs me of the mounty like he has a
mount He has a shock stick.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Mardel has the arrogans like you're giving someone a weapon,
you're giving someone a loud mouth. And they're just one
French and actink a model one is Canadian acting like
a mounting, like there's no difference except you decided one
was gonna be better than the other.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Right, But you also think of their star power and
when it when it comes to it, can they can
they be there? And I think at that point, you know,
I'm certain that Rick felt he could have, but I
don't think that, uh, upper management did. I don't think
that that the triumvirate of trememrate of the guys that
were calling the shots back then thought that. And I'm

(50:15):
I think at some point Rick realized too, this was
this was probably it, uh and and something he should
to this day be incredibly proud of, because, as you said,
he had a vision of what he was going to do,
how far he would want to take it, and he
got there. He was in that ring with hul Kogan,
he was in that ring with Warrior, He was in

(50:36):
the ring with all these heavyweights. Uh so to speak,
it's not just weights, but who were the top guys
and and was right there and belonged there. So but
you get you know, it's so you hit that ceiling
and uh. I think he saw that. And also as

(50:56):
he talks about uh later that he just grew tired
of it too. He mentioned he lost his sister, who
was I think in her forties, and it kind of
hit it hit him. He was very close to her,
and he realized how much he had missed with not
just her, but you know, everybody else around him who

(51:19):
meant something. And we talked about many times to the
price that these guys pay. And I think at that
point it was starting he was starting to realize and
he would go on, you know, he was still wrestling
into the nineties, well into the nineties, but really started
thinking about, Okay, what am I going to do from here?
And fortunately he was a really smart and shrewd guy

(51:44):
and saved his money and invested in commercial real estate.
And I think that's something he'd always loved and decided
at some point that that's what he was going to
do and be able to have his own life where
he wasn't on the road, you know, two hundred and
something days a year.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Yeah, there's a lot to combo and there with Martel
exit in ninety one for a while and then coming
back because you know, he again his sister passes away.
He's been on the road forever. You know, he got
a rest. He needs to rest. And again that run
was great. He left in ninety three, went to WCW
for a little bit and then it was done. And

(52:23):
then the last time that I recall seeing him ever
do anything was he was in a dark start of
the Ring episode about Dino Bravo.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
And that was he even sat down.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
He's like, this is the last time I'm doing an interview,
is the last time I'm talking about this subject, And
here we go and he gave his thoughts and his
feelings and all about that.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
So that's the last time I think we'll ever see him.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Jake the Snake Roberts, though we've been talking about we've
done maybe like twenty five episodes here in the Golden
Hour podcast with you, and it's awesome we've done that.
But what I've come to realize is some heels have
these peaks. They go all the way up and then
once they hit it, nowhere else to go. So you
go down Million Dollar Man, double referees. Where to go

(53:04):
from there? You have to go down, Rick Martel blinds Jake.
We're up here, we have to go down there. It
happens to all of them, But with Jake, I would
have to say he has the greatest storylines in the
Golden Era. We have Hogan versus Savage and that's a
year long and things of that nature.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Him and Andre.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
But Jake, he's got Andre afraid of snakes, He's got
getting blinded. He's having a King Koba tit the Machia man.
He's torturing Warry with like his dark magic ways of
turning him evil. Dude, I don't think. Oh, and also
Damien being killed by earthquake. You cannot. I don't think

(53:44):
top Jake the snake in the Golden Era in storylines.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Yeah, and I think, and a lot of those were
of his making, And if they weren't of his making,
he made them better where he just and that that
certainly is gonna help help you out tremendously if you
And as I said, he'd come up you know, his
whole life. He'd been around wrestling and had seen every storyline.

(54:08):
And when you talk to some of the greats and
they they mentioned about, you know, certain runs that they had,
and they'll talk about you know, well, I remember, you
know Brett. Brett used to do this all the time.
He was very much a student of the game. And
he would see something in a match to somebody's doing.
He think like, man, that's good, I'm gonna save that,

(54:28):
you know, put that, and then he'd find a way
to work it in later on in some other situation
that he was in, and you know, just just being
and knowing that psychology. That's another thing with with the
way people, you know, the best of the best and
the guys that were so good at doing their promos,

(54:48):
is that they were really incredible at being able to
read people that you know, not just crowds, but they
knew what would make people react. And that was a
gift that that Jake had when he would do those
promos and he would just that slow burn and stuff,
say things you know about you know Jack Tunney, I

(55:10):
you know, I when I came into this world. I
don't know how to I don't know how to lie.
I don't know how to steal. I don't you know.
And he said, but you know after I met you
or after being I have you taught. Yeah, just brilliant
stuff and it and and that's the the gift of
of the of the best of the best is not
only what they do in the ring, but it's their

(55:31):
ability to read people, to know what it is that's
going to make them react, what it is. It's going
to you know, get the angry, what it is, it's
going to make them, uh, you know, joyous what it is.
You know. The timing and the timing of when to
do it, you know, it's you know, I've heard it

(55:51):
described by some of them say, you know, it's like
directing an orchestra in a sense of knowing when I
do this that I'm going to get that over there,
when I do this, I got the strings over here,
here's the brass. Uh. It really that there's I don't
know anyone who's really done a deep dive into that
the psychology, but they all know, they all know about it.

(56:15):
They've all talked about it, and you know, Tedy Biassi
is a classic example of that as saying that, you know,
at one point they wanted him to become, uh, you know,
a booker and do some and you know, uh do
some stuff with the boys. And he said, you know
I can't, I can't do that, but I know how
to do it.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Does that make sense? You know it's but he you know,
he would be in and he just it was just
this natural ability of whether or not it came through experience, whatever,
but they just knew right when to do what, when,
do this whatever. He couldn't, but he couldn't pass it on. Uh.
There there are those that had that ability to do it.
I think Dusty Rose is one of those people. He
was very instrumental at f c W when when he

(56:59):
was down there in school the the beginnings of an
XT that you know, he was very instrumental in helping
a lot of those young guys. So, but that that
really is I think that that was what was Jake's
gift to the business, is that he had that ability.
He wasn't the greatest, didn't have the greatest physique, you know,

(57:23):
kind of had these skinny little legs, you know, had
a little pot the little paunch going all the time.
But my god, was he tremendous in the ring. But
outside of the ring, man not few could touch him.
A few, you know up there of the mount Rushmore
of promos, promo guys that he's he's He's on my mountain.

(57:45):
He is definitely one of those, because man did it differently,
something was all his own and it was great, and
I think that that's what helped him stay up on
top among that group for so very long.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
So right about that too, Like he he I think
gets a lot of credit on the online from wrestling fans,
but like when you have to go back and people
are like, oh, his best promo. Everyone's like the rock
John Cena Stone Coold, But Jake the Snake didn't have
to yell and have catchphrases. He would whisper to you
and make you get closer and closer and closer where

(58:22):
you could feel like maybe he's gonna grab me from
a TV somehow, Like he is one of those guys,
And you're right, he has prot of that about Rushmore
in that blind full match of Rstmania seven. You know,
we talked about it before, but RUSSEMANNYA seven is not
a prized WrestleMania. It's a WrestleMania that was covered in controversy,
which we talked about in an hour long episode about
startin slaughter beating, and I racky sympathized it. But on

(58:43):
that card you really only have Hogan and Slaughter Warrior
in Savage and this blind ful match. It was especially
made for this storyline, and it goes from October, it
goes to WrestleMania, and after that it's done. But as
I said earlier, the Top Man ten o'clock in the morning,
trying to eat my cereal, my pj's and there's Jake
screaming about he's blind and his contact which I did

(59:04):
not understand movie magic, So I thought his eye was
really gone, and I thought that was possible for.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
A level never to be seen again, Steve. But but
I agree, miraculously it got better.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Yeah, it was uh who was a doctor, doctor doctor thukonomics.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
It was John Cena. He was there, he was helping
him out and maybe but no time traveling.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
But no, I'm really happy we talked about Jake because
he is such a character we haven't really dived into.
Besides that time he allt he punched Liz in the
face and then had a snake bite. Macho man. But
this is another storyline. Lets it grabs you and brings
you in and goes man. I love this Golden era,
and I'm loving everyone's comments about our episodes because they.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Call you the moon Man.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
They're so happy to see Sean Mooney back out there
sharing his stories. And you know, this episode is airing
probably four weeks after we did our home Cogan episode
about passing away, and everybody is feeling a warm hug
from Sean Mooney's voice who grew up with Hulk Coogan.
And that's a lot of comments we've gotten about that,
saying that you have helped them Sean through their tough

(01:00:13):
times right now in this world. So thank you for
allowing us and me to hear your stories every week here,
and especially sharing the ones about our fallen brothers.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Yeah, and it's it's it's sad, bad, but there's not
many of us left from that era that were a
part of it. It is breaks my heart every time
we lose another one. And Holkster was tough man, it was,
and I got a lot a lot of comments Steve,
as you mentioned, I was. It made me feel really

(01:00:44):
good that people liked hearing my perspective and remembering those days.
But it really it was a really really special time.
And you know, it's it's amazing that you talk about
the comments. People only my closest friends call me the

(01:01:05):
moon Man, and you're all welcome to do that. I
love that. That's awesome, but it is and it took
me a while to understand it, but now I totally
get it. And I know I was blessed to be
a part of that that period of time. But it was,
you know, it was really great to see how many people,

(01:01:26):
uh commented on what how Hulk Hogan impacted professional wrestling
and outside of everything else. People can't deny that. And
it it also represents, I think, something much bigger than
even Terry Blea. It represents all of that together, you know,

(01:01:48):
with hulk Mania and the and really the beginning of
what we saw happen and have and and it's all
a part of everybody who has come since, uh you know,
the Warrior, the macho man, uh, you know, on and
on the Rock Stone Cold, uh, the great people we've
seen since, and that was the beginning of it. I
think that's why it really did and and continues to

(01:02:12):
hit people really hard because it was was even beyond
terry uh and and and it to me, that's why,
like I said, it was a real gut punch, because
I just kind of felt like, yeah, yeah, it's it's over.
It's it's that's that's gone forever. And so anyway, uh,
thank you for those comments. But yeah, and really thank

(01:02:34):
you for everybody who's uh, you know, been been following us.
And I'm really enjoying it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Hey me too, so stop texting me one of the
more when I'm sleeping.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
But no, seriously, folks though, as you brought up a
little while ago, that like Jake the Snake is part
of that group of people who's always on top, Hogan Warriors, Savage,
Jake Hacksaw, you know, these other people who have created
core memories. And I'm glad we are supplying the memories
again with your voice and my questioning all day long
here and he thought we couldn't do an hour boat

(01:03:04):
dig going blind liar. Well, thanks so much for being
here on the Golden Era Podcast. I'm Stefa al He
Shan Mooney. Have a wonderful day and we'll see you
next time. Ha did you get it? Pun seea bye