WWE Royal Rumble 1992: Stabbings, Drug Busts & Ric Flair’s World Title Win

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's me Wie, not than the fantasy sat in the
real history the gold then tell me Wie.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
From stabbings to rewriting history to tears in my eyes.
It's the Royal Rumbull nineteen ninety two, right here on
the Golden Hour. Sean Mooney, how are you doing today?

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Whoo Oh? I wonder why you would say that. Woo.
It's a lot of wooing going on in this Royal Rumble,
and for good reason it happened to be I think
the best royal rumble ever. And as we'll get into it,
but I think we already gave away the hero of

(00:48):
the day, Rick Flair, in this and then what he
ended up doing this day in Albany.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
It is one of the greatest roy rumbles of all time.
And that was my first question to you, and you
kind of answered it. Where the argument has been going on,
census event is the nineteen ninety two the Royal Rumble
the greatest royal rumble of all time? Now why do
you think it's the greatest one?

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Though?

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Personally for you, well, there's so much going on in
this one, and of course you've got Rick Flair who
comes in number three, which there was. You know, the
whole psychology behind this is great too, because I'm sure
you know people's initial thought, well, if you're going to
do something like this, make him number one, And no,

(01:33):
it's not that easy. And I know that, you know, Bobby,
who pitched this apparently wanted said, you know, make Rick
number one, but Vince like to add a few layers
to the young inher and says, now we'll make them three.
It can't be you know, completely, you know, start to finish,
that would be like two. Yeah, we just you know,

(01:56):
it's a two storybook in a sense. But at the
fact that you know, Rick ends up being in there
for eternity, and you know, getting it done is pretty amazing.
So coming in at three was great. And then you've
got Bobby the brain heenan. And if you go on
all of these sites or you know, Reddit or whatever

(02:19):
it is and people ask about the Royal Rumble nineteen
ninety two, one thing that keeps coming up is just
how tremendous Bobby was Gorilla on the microphone. Yes, but
you know, Bobby had a vested interest in this for
it to turn out the way it did, and it's

(02:39):
it's just it's so weasel throughout because he goes up
and down with his emotions of you know, of course
he's rooting for Flair the whole way, and you know,
and and Gorilla keeps reminding him, you're supposed to be
this the objective commentary person here, you know, and he

(03:00):
just shut up just because he was like, just shut up,
shut up, really, but keeps going on and rooting. And
then you know, he goes up where he's just oh,
it's terrible, it's all over, it's for going. And then
Claire does something and I knew he was gonna. I
knew I told him, you know, And any time anything happens,
he's going, uh, you know, get in the corner, rest,

(03:21):
don't get in there? What are you doing? So uh,
those are the two biggest elements of this, and it
was just but there was also so much more with
look at the people that were involved in this, the superstars.
I mean, I don't know what the count is, but
I'm sure, uh, the number of Hall of Famers.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
So I did the count. So it's nineteen wrestlers. I
thought it was like twenty, but yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:46):
It's about yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
So it's it's incredible the number as you have here
because let's just go through the list too, Bridge, Bulldog,
mileaned Alla Man, Rick Flair, Jerry SAgs, Haku, Sean Mys,
Tito Santana, The Barbarian Texas Tornado Repo Man, Greg Valentine, Volkoff,
Big Boss Man Hercules, Roddy Piper, Jake the Snake, Jim Duggan, Irs,

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Jimmy Snook, The Undertaker, Randy Savage, Berserker, Virgil, Colonel Mustafa,
Iron Cheek, the Model, Rick Martell, Hulk, Cogan Skinner, Sergeant Slaughter, Sid.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Justice in the Warlord.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
That's a Hall of Fame list up and down, but
according to the Glands, nineteen are actually in the Hall
of Fame in this match.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah, and as we've talked about before that, you know,
Vince had worked very hard to build a roster like that,
and I think we're seeing the peak when you've got
so many and so many recognizable names. And I really
felt that overall it shows you what the ww F

(04:58):
at the time wwe have course had become that you had,
you know, never before I think about of all of
the the other organizations out there that you would have
twenty basically and of course even the others that were
involved that were you know, in a sense if you
were any kind of a wrestling fan, they were household names.

(05:21):
They didn't and and the fact that you know, their
gimmicks that they had, you know, were that recognizable. And
so I think at the time when you look back
at this and you see a collection, and I've always said,
you know, how much I loved these events in the
sense that it gives all these guys that worked their
ass off and you know, putting in those days of
making these house shows, that it gave them the opportunity

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to really get a decent payday to be involved in
these matches, but also that the fans around the world
got the chance to see these guys. And so ninety
two man, this was this to me was kind of
the peak of it all of a collection of superstars
and really what Vince McMahon had created.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
And what's interesting about this the why I think there's
a couple of reasons why I believe a lot of
people think this is.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
The number one we're rumble of all time.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
One.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
There's a storyline thread from the beginning to the end.
No pay per view pastor president has given you this.
This thread of the beginning of Bobby is on commentary
from the beginning, rooting for Rick Flair, talking about Roy Rumble,
talking about Ric Flair hyping it up to the end
when Rick Flair does win spoiler alert, and even back

(06:36):
stage she leaves the commentary booth. He goes backstage in
the back of the promo, the most famous promo of
this evening. I think that's what makes it great because
there's a storyline. It's not match that had a storyline,
all right, next match. This has a storyline. No, there's
a storyline throughout the evening, and of course the commentary
the soundtrack to this event. It doesn't matter for watching
the Beverly Brothers versus the Borschhwhackers or Led versus the

(06:58):
Natural Disasters. Bob and Gorilla on commentary are the best part. Now, yeah,
you got a chance to work with both of these
Hall of famers. Actually thought, you know what I think
about it, You know, talking about the wrestlers, Bobby and
Gorilla are also in the Hall of Fame, and so
there's a lot of people on this list in this
evening that are on the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
So I went to my hat to them.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
But what was it like working with Bobby and Gorilla
around this time because they are the best, yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
And they are, they're at their peak as well working
together that they were an oiled machine, you know, the
way played off one another, you know, and in this
royal rumble of do you think that Bobby had a
conflict of interest? Okay, maybe, but seriously, they were really

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just such a great team. And you know, you know,
we've discussed many many times when we talk about commentary,
they were the two for me. And because of the
dynamic of the way it worked, and it was kind
of a simple formula of you know, Gorilla sharp on

(08:06):
his description of the play by play, and he's got
to interject and it's going to be something outrageous, and
Gorilla lets him get away with it for a while
and then finally smacks him down, and then you know,
the blusters out of Bobby and he kind of recovers.
And then as they get back into that groove and
that rhythm again, and then Bobby does it again. But

(08:28):
at this point, you know, and you listen to this
start to finish, it's the entertainment value of just listening
to that commentary was phenomenal. Besides what was happening in
the ring and that and as you mentioned this, this
was you know, it just unfolded as you listened of

(08:48):
how the motions that Bobby's going through, and he's up
and down and he's just blatantly rooting for Flair the
whole way because his selfish interests. He says that, you know,
I've got to you talk about a windfall if this happens.
I'm you know, easy street.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, he asked for drinks on commentary too, Bobby, I need.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
Something to check.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
I need something kicking.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Never in my life.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
What do you think on commentary that someone's screaming out,
I need booze. I need booze because I'm stressing. I'm stressing.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
And yeah, and and the lines in there you could
pull out, you know, thirty of some of Bobby's best
lines in there, even at the beginning when Tunny comes
out and he goes, he's the best president since Noriega.
What did that come from?

Speaker 4 (09:33):
He hates Tonny?

Speaker 6 (09:36):
Oh yeah, and it just no and on it and
as he's you know, I made some notes about it,
but you know, just one after another.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
And folks, you have to realize, you know, Bobby was
never a guy. He didn't keep a notebook. You know,
there's some people that do that, whether they'll think of
something I got to remember to work this in. That
wasn't how Bobby worked. Bobby was. It was all top
of mind and and that's how his brain worked. That

(10:08):
you know, it was all situational because of course you
didn't know what was going to happen, but that just
came naturally to him. And that and I think that
if he would have tried to do it another way,
it wouldn't have worked, because that's how how he was.
He was just all reactionary to everything, and just his
mind was so quick. And this was a classic example

(10:31):
throughout you know that you got to listen to him
for that full hour of this. Of course he did
the other stuff, but I mean that just this uh
put together and from start to finish he was just
so freaking funny and entertaining throughout. And there wasn't any
dull moments when if there was any lull in the action,

(10:52):
the banter between Gorilla and Bobby, you know, would pick up.
They knew they you know, they could feel it too.
You know. There was more to it than what was
I should do in the ring. But you also when
you've got people calling it, you know they've got to
carry it too, And the whole combination worked. It absolutely
worked for me.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
I think that's true too, because Bobby and Grilla obviously
had a chemistry, but now Bobby has this underlining I'm
rooting for Rick Flair the whole time.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
Yep, that's the storyline he's bringing to the table.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Grilla is there to shut him down for the whole
hour of just shut up, be quiet. You're supposed to
be hearing a job, but yet Bobby keeps jumping in
on Rick Flair. I think that's what makes it the
best part, because most of the time it's commentary doing commentary.
Bad guy rich a bad guy, good guy go virtual,
good guy Rick Bobby. He's not there to cheer on
Jake the Snake who's a bad guy, or Corona Mustafa.

Speaker 5 (11:41):
He is there for.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
One reason and one reason only, and that's to make
sure the Rick Flair wins the rumble and of course
have a drink with a kick. One of my favorite
lines though from this evening is when Roddy Piper comes
down and starts beating down Flair. Eventually, Jake pulls Piper
off of Rick Flair and.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Bobby it's like, oh, thank you, Pipe, thank you. I'll
say it. I'll say it's not a skirt, it's a kilt.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
It's a killed And then about two seconds later, Piper.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
Punches Rick Flag. He's like, you son of a gun,
you know what, you know what to get back? It
is a skirt. It is a skirt, and he's just screaming, no,
Piper can't here.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
Bobby, Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
It's just classic Bobby. And and you know, and he
works like a comedian, he really did. I always said that,
you know, if he wasn't involved in wrestling, he would
have been a you know, stand up comedian. We would
have been like Rickles Uh, you know the way he
could tear people the shreds. But he also knew how
to do that, you know, like because the comedians, you'll

(12:40):
have a great line or something and then further bit
down they bring it back. And Bobby had that kind
of timing. Whether he realized it or not, but but
that's how he worked. He was a you know, legit
comedian and he would have been wherever somewhere that man

(13:01):
had to be on a stage, whether he was would
have ended up being a great character actor in the
movies or a stand up stand up comic. He could
have done that, because that's how good he was. Fortunately
for all of us who were professional wrestling fans, we
got him and he's he's he's a treasure. I mean,

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Bobby was a treasure, there's no question about it, and
a unique talent that you know, the WWE was blessed
to have. And it's it's it's tragic how it all
ended up, but I think you know, in the end,
and he deserved to be in the Hall of Fame.
And but we've discussed before about the breakup of Gorilla

(13:44):
and and Bobby, and it still hurts to this day.
But they go down in history for me and I
think for many many many others as as the greatest
commentary team ever in professional wrestling.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Correct And again, I think, I hope ever everyone like
you say when you're looking it up anywhere about rod
Umbo ninety two. The commentary gets a lot of credit
for why this event is so good across Rick Flair,
going over sixteen minutes, and the biggest part about this
Royal Rumble is the World Championship is on the line.
This is the first time who've ever seen something like
this where it has been it's vacated because of the

(14:21):
the bullshit that happened with Jack Tyan is terrible presidency
during the Savvier series nineteen ninety one and this Tuesday
in Texas, just Rick Flair always getting involved and that
led to the championship being vacated, which led to the
winner of this World Rumble becomes the World Wrestling Federation Champion.
And that just added a cherry on top because now
you're thinking, wait a minute, we could have Hack Side,

(14:43):
Jim Duncan, could have Jake the Snake, but have Piper.
We could have so many people become world champion. I
think that's what also adds the element of ooh, this
is a little different because we have the world title
on the line. Now, let's flash back, because we did
do a podcast about Survivor Series ninety one and this
Tuesday in Texas. Now, do you know if the plans
were always for this Royal Rumble to be for the

(15:03):
world Championship in Survirovisaries ninety one, in this Tuesday in Texas,
the ship that happened with the world title, we're all
setting us up for Royal rumble, which was setting us
up for Rick Flavors's whole cogan at wrestliny eight.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Well, I think that if we try and think that way,
I think we're giving them too much credit, because you know,
the thing is, we talk about this tremendous roster, and
when you have all the stuff going on, things go wrong.
They're always there's always things happening. These are human beings.

(15:38):
They're not perfect. They have to live lives out of arenas,
and crap happens, and and so I don't you know,
I don't think so. So, but they were always innovative
and pivoting, and you know this this worked out great

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even you know, Rick Flair claims that he had no
idea that he was going to be getting the strap
until he arrived at the arena that day. I don't know,
but and he you know, talked about uh, the night before,
being out with Debias the whole night. You know, I think,

(16:26):
if you're gonna win the the w w F Heavyweight Championship,
are you going to party till five in the morning. Well,
if you're.

Speaker 7 (16:33):
Rick, probably, But his performance that day and I'm sure
our our audiences is smart enough.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Uh, And I mean I used that word in respect
to this business. To know that to go an hour
h is unbelievable. And and Rick didn't take an easy ride.
You could, you know, he could have done a lot
of the things that Bobby would have liked him to do.
Stand in the corner, get out of the way. But
he was working. And here he is, he's over forty

(17:12):
at this point, I think forty two or forty three,
and he's working that whole time and taking some nasty
bumps and going around the ring and lifting guys. And
so you have to give him a lot of credit
for just that performance that day, because it's not easy

(17:33):
to have that kind of you know, ability to work
that hard for that long. And as I said, and
now back then, you were an old man at least
that's the way he looked at it. But still you know,
you're not twenty five anymore either at that age. So

(17:53):
just a tremendous performance all the way around for Rick
Flair and what a feather in his cap, you know,
awful cliche, but really for him to win this championship
UH and have been you know champion UH and other
with other organizations. We know it's one we're talking about

(18:17):
was just this, This was the peak. I think you know,
absolutely was the peak. And to do it that way
where you you know, you beat all of these guys,
uh to get the straps. So I'm sure it had
to have been for for Rick and I and I
know he has said it many times that it was
really the the uh you know, reaching that that summit

(18:39):
to to get to that point his everest uh being
able to look down at what he had accomplished.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
On his promo after winning, he does say, this is
the greatest moment of my life. So he gave too
much credit to the world because but it really so
harves series anyone this Tuesday in Texas have weird you know,
implications in both those events. Then you get this rumble
it's perfect, it's amazing, Flair wins yaaa, But then you
get arrest meing eight weird ending Summer Slam ninety two

(19:08):
has some weird shandagains with perfect like this is a
lot of weird ninety two rollover from ninety one. But Flair,
this is a great moment for him, But also how
do you he comes to number three, He goes sixty minutes,
he beats up bad guys, he beats up good guys
then he wins it. That to me is not a wow,
what a bad guy, It's like, wow.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
Did you see that guy?

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Like he went out there for sixty minutes and kicked
everyone's ass, not just Randos, he beat up everybody.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
How do you think, Hulk Kogan? Do you know internally
how Cogan was feeling?

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Because around this time in ninety one, he was on
the Arsenial Hall Show where he said I never took steroids.
That might have taken some Hogan dust off of him.
We head into ninety two, Flair wins the championship sixty minutes,
beats up everybody.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
How do you think or if you know how Hulk.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Cogin would have been feeling about this, because it doesn't
make Cogan look great what happens to him in this rumble.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
No, and especially because we know the stories that when
he went out you know people, he was booed, uh
and uh, you know people, and they as it goes,
they changed the story.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
Uh want to get to that.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
You got to get to that. But I think that, yeah,
you know, it's he couldn't have it both ways in
a sense, you know, he wanted to do all these
other things. There was a lot going on, and he
still wanted to be the guy, uh at the same time,
but you can't go and do all that. And then also,

(20:42):
you know it at some point it begins to wane
no matter what it is. And and the reign of
Hulco Mania was phenomenal. I mean, look how long it lasted,
and that he would be able to still come back
and people were glad to see him and he would
kind of save the place in a sense. But at

(21:04):
some point it starts to turn. And you said things
like that appearance on the air setting a hall show.
Who didn't help him? When you know that it was
he ends up having to meet in court basically that
he did and and still is, you know, for medical purposes,

(21:24):
stuff like who's buying this? You know there? You know,
so that that didn't help. And so I said, what
really comes down to, you know you he wanted it.
He wanted always to be that hero, but uh, you know,
it's at some point it was it would started to fade.
And I don't think that was easy for him to
swallow to to, you know, do that, And and said justice, Uh,

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you know, Sid talks about how backstage after that he
was screaming and yelling and he was really upset, which, yeah,
which would you know. I don't necessarily believe that because
that's not what Hulk Hogan. I never saw him, we
would have these emotional outbursts. But I do believe that
when like that reaction that he got that we haven't

(22:11):
you know, we'll talk about, Yeah, was a big blow,
you know, kind of like what like that was the
first real time that that It was just you couldn't
ignore it. You couldn't just think was that for something
else or what you know, it was just whoa. I
remember everybody's like, what was that? What's going on? And
I think that that was kind of, uh, you know,

(22:34):
a big wake up call for him, when to see
something like that happen.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Because Holk Cogan leaves after WrestleMania at eight, which is
only a few months after this, We're rumbled one he
two because of just there's a lot of heavy things happen,
and all the local news, all the press is using
Hulk Cogan's face as the look steroid trial look steroids
in the w w S. They're not picturing vinsc Mann,
who no one knows who that guy is. Except who

(22:59):
does commentary. Pictures of hul Cogan are everywhere, and I'm
imagining if I'm Hogan, like, well, how do you protect
your image? How do you get to go keep doing
these movies and Thunder and Paradise and you got to
get out of the business.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
So do you know this outburst that said brings up?

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Do you know after this, it's kind of like, well,
Hogan has to have a conversation where I want to
leave because this is not working out for me anymore.
Let's go away, come back in a little while and
we'll go back to what we were doing.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Yeah, and I'm sure he didn't enjoy the fact that
he became the poster boy for this, and because as
you said at the time, you know, Vince wasn't you know,
out there like that. I mean, everybody knew Vince McMahon
ran the company and the whole thing, but he wasn't
you know, you didn't see him on screen, you didn't
see him on these shows like that where he became

(23:48):
part of it. So yeah, I'm sure that you know,
I was not happy about that, you know, when it
came down to but that came with the territory. He
was the guy on top. He was implicated, and I
don't know if it was it was necessarily that him
thinking that, you know, I got to get out of here.
I got to get you know, get out of the

(24:09):
limelight in a sense because he had other stuff going
on as well and other commitments that he had made.
But it probably helped the situation though, to remove to
get out of that, you know, out in front of that.
So I'm sure though he was not pleased with what
was going on, and he probably was one of Okay,

(24:30):
now how bad will this get? You know, you're hoping
that it just kind of goes away, that people pay attention,
then it dies down. Well as we know that that
didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
No, and maybe Rick Flair becoming champion is he's never
been known for a man who's been jacked or huge
or twenty four inch pythons like Hogan or even size
of warrior. Rick Flair might be a guy like Brett
Hard I think is kind of not the escape goat,
but a man's like, Look, he can be our world
champion because we can put him on post instance, and
people aren't going to go, hey he's on steroids. They'll think, oh,
he's a superstar, he's a professional wrestler.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
Am I reading too much into that?

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Uh? Well, I was going to say that, you know,
even though they're saying, you know, the steroids were illegal
and and all this. You know, I don't think people
looked at it like they were drug addicts or something,
you know. I mean, I think that if everybody looked
at it and said, well, how do you think they
get that way? That's how do bodybuilders get that way?

(25:27):
And now just because the government has stepped in and
now they've made them illegal, what now they're criminals? So
I don't think that that, you know, in a sense,
sure you don't want to be implicated uh as this
this uh you know, drug user or something. I think
that like with with with Terry, it was you know,

(25:47):
people as far as losing uh you know there there
you know how much they liked him, or was the
fact that he is denying it, you know what I mean?
And just a phony I think is what started to
surround him in a sense that that you know, the

(26:09):
Hulkster that we knew is you know, each take your
vitamins and say your prayers and all this is is
a phony that he's he's lying you know. And I
remember watching that Arsenio Hall thing, and okay, I was
kind of on the inside, but I remember thinking, at
the time, if I'm watching this, I'm thinking, dude, really,

(26:29):
how stupid do you think we are? You know, to
sit there and like no, you know, come on, and
I and so, to me, it wasn't more of he's
a criminal, or he's going to face these charges or
he's you know, it was what a phony? You know, like,
be be real, You're always the real American, will be

(26:51):
the real American, you know. I think that he would
have done much better if he said, yeah, I did.
I I used but at the time they weren't a
lead goal and I've learned a lot about them, and
now I realized they're probably not good for my body,
and you know, I'm not going to use them. We'll
find other ways. There's other supplements or something. You know.
Then and people, right, people would have said, oh wow, yeah,

(27:14):
he's being honest with them, and I made some mistakes.
You know, it's you know, probably should have checked into
this more. You know, whatever you would have said, at
least it would have been real authentic. But to sit
there and just make it seem you know that, No,
this is the way it is. And you think people
at hom are going, yeah, okay, I believe No, I

(27:37):
don't ever remember anybody. And I and I also know, uh,
you know, guys that I work with are saying, you know,
we're saying I won't name specific names, but people who
were like, man, that wasn't good. That's not the way
he should have handled it. And I know you know
that that you know, Vince and other people talking to
Terry go into saying, you know, this is what you

(27:59):
should do who And yet he went out there and
denied it like you could have like that he should
have just been straight and with him said I didn't
know at the time. Yes, I'd used them, but I
didn't know at the time that they were what they were.
You know, they're bad for you, and that they're legal substances,
you know whatever. People would have accepted that, So that

(28:21):
it's so bottom line of it, that's what I think
hurt His image was more of being a phony to
people like people think, and then that's kind of where
that started.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
No, I agree with you, because like when you started
saying that like, oh, your childhood hero.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
Is this lie on phony?

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Well, why believe in him anymore, because in my brain's
like seeing like Barney the dinosaur taking its head off
and smoking a cigarette and being like.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
Hey, you know, are you surprised?

Speaker 4 (28:46):
I surprised?

Speaker 5 (28:47):
I'm not a good dinosaur.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Like That's how I That's how I imagine ho Cogan.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Away from me. You smell like cheese.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
Hey, Johnny, I told you don't have them touch me.
I told you to have him touch me.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
That's how I imagine Hope Cogan probably was going to Seny
a thought Hall thing and like, well, I'm this good guy.
So if I say I did bad things, people think
I'm a bad guy. So if I don't say I
did bad things, I'll be a good guy. Total opposite happened.
People who grew up with you are now getting older,
They're wiser, they're not stupid anymore, and maybe perhaps don't
believe in the things you're saying, and it might have

(29:21):
ruined Hote Cogan here, and that would show you why
he is booed very loudly here at th Roy Rumble
for also being an asshole.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Well, I mean, and it's funny because a person who
makes a living out of understanding how to influence a
crowd and and and get an impact from fans. Didn't
understand that, And what is you know, what are the
greatest stories in wrestling? Uh? You know you have a

(29:49):
hero and he's up here and he's great and everything's
going wonderful, and then there's some kind of a downfall
and you're but I still love him, and I I
want to be there for him when he's struggling and
then he comes back. How many times you know the
Hulk with the arm and he didn't understand that if
I'm if I got to that's what I need to
be vulnerable here, I need to tell them that, yeah,

(30:09):
I don't I made a mistake. The Hulk of Maniacs
would have engulfed him with the giant hug of We're
there for you, Bolster, We'll get we'll all get through
this together. Instead align to me and I'm I thought
we were friends. I thought you would tell me that.

(30:31):
But I know you're not being honest with me, you know,
So it's it's it's interesting to think that he didn't
understand that. And one of the greatest ever who knew
how to work a crowd didn't understand that his the
fans that he had weren't going to buy it.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
So how do you think, well, this just a story
about Hogan being upset after this event this night. Are
you seeing the fallout of this sort of rumble backstage
with hult Cogan and his feelings about the company, about
Ric Flair, about Sadjustice, Because clearly the wheels are falling off,
like ho Cogan is supposed to main event restum and
he ate against Ric Flair. Then it doesn't happen, and

(31:09):
then they had that weird press conference where you know,
Hogan's announce but then Sid's upset. They're setting up sitting
Hogan clearly at Rumble two, Like when do you think
they said, okay, no Rick Flair versus HOHK Cogan. Hogan's
going to also leave and Hogan's pretty pissed. Like where
do you think Hogan's emotions were, Like do you know
that for sure what's going on backstage with him?

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Well? Absolutely not. You never knew for sure what was
going on, but you could you could observe, and I
talked to a lot of people, and you know that
he certainly wasn't happy as we saw the way that
that played out. But I think that as I said
that that was one of the first real times. I

(31:50):
think that the reaction wasn't what he expected and it
was a slap in the face. You know, It's just
like wow, and that hadn't happened in a long time, so, uh,
you know, you kind of get lulled into that this
is my world, that I can do no wrong ever,
and then suddenly it's you're wrong. You have to blatantly

(32:14):
admit you have to go. Man, I didn't see that coming,
and uh, you know, a lot and a lot was happening.
I think that they were hoping, as we also talked
before about that Rick Flair Hulk Cogan always seemed to
be the ultimate ultimate match up there and it's time
had passed, and then you had all this other stuff

(32:36):
going on, and then of course Brett gets involved in this,
uh you know, thinking that he's going to be the future,
and we know how that ended up. So yeah, it's
it becomes a really tumultuous time here.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yes, let's talk about that Hogan though things. So Sid
eliminates Hulk Hogan in the Royal Rumble. The crowd cheers
for Hulk Cogan being tossed out by Sid Justice and
up At this point, Sid Justice is he's coming in hot,
like people are really enjoying his work. He's huge, he's muscular,
he's a good looking dude. He's a powerhouse. Everything about

(33:12):
him is working. So when that happens, though, Hok Cogan
does something which really confuses me as a hulk a maniac.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Is.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Hogan's like, well, listen, that sucks man. You you threw
me out. That's wrong. No, those are the rules of
the Royal Rumbles, sir. First off, you'd be tossed out.
Then he wants to shake Sid Justice's hand.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Well you got. Sid's like all right, I'll be a
good guy, shake your hand.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Hogan grabs him, and then Rick Flair sneaks up behind
tosses out Sid. That's how Rick Flair wins the match
and becomes world champion. How is Ho Cogan the good
guy in this scenario at all? As Sid is following
the rules of the Royal Rumble and Hogan's like, all right, brother,
I'm so sorry, give me a handshake. Cock got your
son of a bitch and pulls him out.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yeah. Well, and then that just showed you that they
that he didn't really text that's not the way that
scenario is supposed to go and as you said, Hulk
goes out, they cheer, he grabs a Sugg Justice, which
allows Rick Flair and they boom. They booed the Halkster
for and uh yeah, and it is wait a minute,

(34:18):
that wasn't I mean, obviously they ended up redoing it
in a sense with the commentary and sweetening it back,
you know, reversing it the other way. They had to
create that which wasn't real, you know, in a sense
of how things are you know, supposed to go with it,
and so uh yeah, they it's like everybody had it wrong.

(34:42):
I mean, that's you know, the way it was going
to play out. It wasn't you know, it wasn't like
Hulk let his motions get the best of him and
he pulled that move or something, you know, like they
had to get set out right and uh and and
and set up that little bit between Sid and the Hulkster.

(35:03):
But it just wasn't received the way they thought it
was going to be.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
But how they did think he was going to be
received A Jen's on this in the past with big
boss men like other people where he gets eliminated and
he comes in he's upset and he throws someone out.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
Everyone cheers. This is the first time. You're right, it
didn't turn out that way.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
But well, because Sid was supposed to be this man.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
Guy, yeah in this scenario, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Uh and and you know, Sid talks about it, saying
that he was upset the way it all kind of
went ended up going down, and he was he said,
he went and he went to talk to Vince after
said I'm out of here, you know. And Sid was
always like that. Sid was you know, in a second,
he didn't He never had that passion for aby. To him,
it was a paycheck and uh, you know, as long

(35:49):
as everything's going well and he's enjoying himself and there's
not a softball game, of course somewhere, he'll stick around.
But he talks about how after that, because you know,
they're freaking out over and trying to make Hulkster happy
and then he's kind of thinking, well, I'm gonna be
the odd man out again. They're gonna screw me again

(36:10):
here and went to Vince and said, look, handshake, dude,
I'm out. I'll go. And he said Vince wouldn't do it,
you know, wouldn't go for it, and tried to talk
him down on it, and we saw you know that
they play caated him somehow. But at that event, he
was like, screw this man. I you know, I'm I
know how this is going to play out. Hulk's going
to get everything he wants he always does, and I'm

(36:32):
gonna end up getting screwed here.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
So he did.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Yeah, but it wasn't that as we saw. It didn't
play out the way they thought it was going to,
and which is really amazing to think about it.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
And they have to save the situation too.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Where Yeah, when anytime there's clips have been shown on
Superstars or Primetime, a wrestling challenge or the paper view rebroadcasts,
usually it's a couple of days later after that you could.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Order it again.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
They had Bobby and Gorilla go back into the audio
booth and cover up with new commentary the situation that's
breaking out with Hogan insidg Justice. They even edit out
the booze and the cheers cheers for Sids are gone
booths are Hogan missing Sweet and swap them out and
suddenly it's booing when Hoge's tossed out and cheering when
Sid's out.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
To me, you're really this.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Is we're turning into like Hulk cogin propaganda where we
need to protect our assets.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
But in reality when Hogan's all over the news.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Lying on on sending all hall stereo trial's coming out,
but it seems like you're protecting the wrong people in
this scenario because Hogan.

Speaker 5 (37:37):
Who did that help?

Speaker 4 (37:38):
Who did fixing this help? Nobody?

Speaker 3 (37:41):
No, But but you know they had they had to,
you know, continue to build him up. They had to
keep him in that position. It wasn't like they said, oh, hey,
maybe we'll turn him here.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
And have Sid become that that was you.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Know, And as for the entire time that Hulk Hogan
was with the w W e uh that that thought
of him ever being a bad guy was like, how
you're pretty funny, that's a great that's a no no
way it could ever happened. Well, Terry proved everybody wrong

(38:16):
with that when he went down south. But the thought
then was, you know, you're not going to take advantage
of say this organic things that are happening with fans
kind of turning on the Hulkster and and Vince go, hey,
maybe maybe we got something else that we could turn him.
And we got a whole other ride ahead of us,

(38:37):
and that that was never a thought in his mind.
And I just remember everybody finding it really amusing. You
know that that that that they had to create that
whole thing, have Bobby and Gino come in and do
redo the commentary, and and then as you said, you know,
they had to literally change the crowd noise, which you

(38:59):
could do, you know, you take out this dragon, you
we could sweeten it and pop more sound into it.
If you didn't get people didn't react when they were
supposed to be popping. But the fact that they really
just had to recreate that ending was you know, amazing,
and we had great We had guys that are great,
and of course Bobby and Gina were fantastic what they did,

(39:22):
so it worked. But you know, anybody who saw it
live was going, wait a minute, that I don't remember
it ending that way. I just remember when you know,
when Hulk went out, everybody cheered. You know that that
was it wasn't missed by anybody. And then we hear
we already creating it, and it's just like, what what's

(39:44):
going on here? Why would you do that? We already
saw it too late.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
I'm imagining if you watched the original broadcast and then like,
all right, cool, it's now it's Saturday morning're goenn watch Superstars.
And you're watching it, and out of nowhere, they're showing
you the clips of it, and you're hearing the cheers
and the booze and the wrong places, and you think it, Wait,
I just watched this and put it. Let me put
in my VC on my VHS tape and check.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
I guess if you watched the rebroadcast, you would have
no idea, or watch it on Peacock or bought the
DVDs the VHS tapes, you wouldn't have known. But if
you watch the original broadcast, you know something is a
miss here in the whole code.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
Aura is disappearing a little bit.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
And I tell you, I remember at the time, I
just say, I shake them my head. I can't believe
that you think people are going to buy it. And
I thought that it was really that people were going
to be pissed by it, because, uh, you know, whatever
the audience was. But you have all that, you know,
the dirt sheet was out and all these other things

(40:43):
and people talk about and so I don't know what
they thought by recreating history here, what's going to do? Uh,
you know, we we do. Of course, everything that we
did is created. But once it was out there, leave it.
There could have been a thousand other ways to handle
it or you know, talk about the situation and and uh,

(41:07):
you know they always found ways. As I said, they
knew how to pivot. So why blatantly doctor it? And
when you know everybody's gonna hear it and see it
again and a different creating, a different way it actually happened.
Didn't make any sense to me. That boy, this is ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Again.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
It's also hard to understand even if you fix the
cheering and the booing, the fact that Hogan's like, all right, brother,
you tossed me out, dude, man, you got me?

Speaker 5 (41:33):
How about a handshake?

Speaker 4 (41:35):
And You're like, all right, I got your son of
a bitch.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
And thenis Hey yanks him out and Rick So Rick
Flair and ho Cogan worked together to toss out who
are good guys?

Speaker 4 (41:46):
And then Rick Flair is champion.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
He has to leave the ring so we can have
Hogan instid of a face to face in the ringling
butting head so Rick Flake can run back and do
his with a tear.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Of my Eye program.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
The last thing you see in the audience is sid
In Hoko and as we know, probably Holkogan must pose
here and most likely if you were there live you
saw got to see him rip off your shirt again.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Well yeah, but I think that pissed people off even
more after what we had seen take place. And as
you said, we did need Rick to get backstakes because
they wanted that promo at the end, and which was fantastic.
But I think for people at the arena or watching
live there felt that here we go again, Halk's got

(42:27):
to be the left. He's got to take up and
soak up all of the instead of letting Rick Flair
enjoy this moment you know, has stayed in the ring
and he's got the belt and be able to go
off the air like that, you know, And so that
to me, that didn't work either. I was saying, well, okay,
I understand were it's creating this, but why couldn't that

(42:48):
have been you know backstage, you know, maybe have cameras
there and then they have this little confrontation or everybody,
give Rick his moment, give him the r give him
the you know, let him win the day really and
then finished with that of uh, you know, let him
have it, let him soak it in. And and as
I said, they they that we needed him back there

(43:10):
for that promo. It was fantastic. It stands in history
as one of his best. You've got you know, Kurt
there and Bobby and uh you know and in the
in the famous put that cigarette out.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Oh yeah, me and Geen, I know, mean, Gene steals
the show after everything that's happened. Here here's me and
Gene making sure all of our lungs are taken care of.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Yeah, and I you know, and talking to and I
asked him that in the podcast when he was on
with me, and he said, and he goes, I just
lost my train, and which never happened with Gene. He's
always and he he just needed that aside because he
didn't know where he was going for whatever. And then
he got it back. But you never saw that happen

(43:54):
with Gene. But the fact that and then he then
he you know, even as they start talking and he
was like like you still talk, you know, you know, Reprimands, whoever,
there's no cigarette? Are you kidding? You couldn't have a
cigarette within a mile of Vince McMahon, My god, you know.
And Pat Patterson was a you know, a chain smoker basically,

(44:17):
and he would have to always go outside or whatever.
And I'm sure it drove Vince out of his mind
because you know, when you smoke, it's always on you. Yep.
But uh yeah, so that that moment there, But as
I was saying, I think the perception of it again
was here we go, hulks, gotta hoax, gotta soak it up.
At the end, it's always got to be about him.

(44:38):
And that's so I didn't think that that helped either.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
No, And here's a question for you, is some arenas
in today's world, all of them have them. They usually
have tronds above wherever you are hockey rink, a basketball court, whatever.
A lot of these backstage interviews like Rick Flair saying
tear in my eye becoming world champion, those are not
being played with the sound of the audience and the backdrop.

(45:02):
It's just no sound, just the camera or the boom,
like whatever, did anyone in the arena, This might be
a dumb question anyone arena ever see some of these
airing during broadcasts or this was always for TV audiences only?

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Yeah, yeah, back then that changed, which you know, it's
very common today every time they do something, and they
did that with raw a lot, you know where they
during the attitude there like the rock Yeah, be backstage
and you'd hear everything that's going on, and that certainly
is carried on from that time. And whether or not

(45:36):
we really had the technology to do it back then
to where you could broadcast it live out to the
arena at the same time, I don't know, but it
just wasn't part of the programming then and that's what
I as I said, you know, people didn't have the
opportunity to see that, you know that Rick had scoots
from the ring and goes back and does that promo

(45:56):
for the live pay per view audience that so they
never got to see it. Now, maybe if that would
have been the casion that they would have put it back,
you know, had it up and people it would have seen.
But like I said, they didn't have that opportunity, and
they just thought that he got you know, all right,
you got the bellery and not get out. Now we
gotta help and sid you know, do their little bit
here at the end. It has to be in the ring.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
Yeah, God damn it.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Yeah, people play I think, you know differently, you know,
I done it a different way of where you know,
how it would have played out. But I I just
felt like, let let Rick have it. Let's let him
have the day here, let's let's finish with him in
the ring. And it was a culmination as Yeah, he

(46:41):
admits that when he went to the w W uh
uh that there may have been a lot of people
who didn't know who he was, and uh so it
really was the pinnacle of his career, was the peak
and uh you know, uh ed he bud any that
was a fan of professional wrestling and knew of Rick Flair,

(47:04):
knew what this moment meant. And there were a lot
of them and a lot of people that tuning in
on pay per view appreciated not just that that it
was a great event, but what this meant for someone
like Ric Flair, and it was it was a credit
to the whole business of you know, you become you
stay on top, and you're relevant and professional wrestling for decades,

(47:25):
which is not an easy thing to do. And you know,
you deserve this, you deserve this recognition, and he got it,
but not how he really should have gotten it. In
the end there he should have to me, he should
have been able to be the one in the ring
and here's your moment.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
Agreed. I agree, he's this is his ninth World Championship.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
According to history records, he is the second wrestler ever
in history up to this point to hold the NWA
in the WWF Championship. The other person, which is insane,
is also the nature boy Buddy Rogers, which is the
first ever ww WF World Champion when that's actually how
the entire company gets started. I did a video about it.

(48:08):
It's very interesting on how the WWWF was created with
Buddy Rogers and what happens to him after and having
a heart attack, and it's controversial.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
I made a little video about it as well.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
But also everything we talked about Savibu series ninety one
this Tuesday in Texas, we talked about Hogan Russman now return.
A lot of those subjects were kind of brought up
in our conversation here so far. I'll put those all
in the description because we one hundred percent covered those
in long form already before, so I don't want to
harp on this Tuesday in Texas and Virus series ninety
one for another two hours here because we have so

(48:40):
much more to talk about here at the Royal Rumble
in ninety two, and there's there's a lot. I'm so
excited though, because in this Royal Rumble, Jack Tunney, my
favorite president of all time.

Speaker 5 (48:52):
He kicks off this for a rumble.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
And he's like rest and everybody hear the rules, the
world title, and the crowd it's booing him, boo you
suck Jack Dunny.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Don't they know he's the greatest president.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
It's noriega According to Bobby Headen, those are facts.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
Those are facts.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Why do you think the audience doesn't like Jack Tunny?
Even Hulk Cogan who does his his backstage promo, because
each wrestler is like today for roll rumble, I'm gonna
win it.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
For this reason, they all go through it. Hogan, he's
looking off camera and the first thing he says, he's like, no,
that no good Jack Tunny?

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Brother?

Speaker 2 (49:26):
What you know hate Jack Tunny? Why do you think
the crowd booed Jack Tunny? Like it wasn't like he
was a bad guy or a good guy.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
He was just an old man being like bare hair
is the rules?

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yeah, but he's the one that would deliver the bad
news basically, and and and everybody hates authority, uh in
a sense, and he's representing all of that. And and
in a sense he was. His character was a buffoon.
Uh really that Yeah, that he was. That's what he
was supposed to be. Uh. And I pulled it off

(49:59):
a tremendous well. But you know, everybody hates authority like that,
and and uh you know, and most of the time
he's dropping the hammer on somebody uh and and and
making up these rules that they have to adhere to.
So it was easy to just like the president of
the w w F. I can't believe he was, And

(50:21):
he was, and he was the perfect character for it.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
He banned reptiles from ringside, Sir, his man, this man
is a god send.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
He much of it was been by King Kobra. Is
that what you can don't hear?

Speaker 3 (50:34):
And this president absolutely bring them, bring the dragon, bring bring.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
Thee bring the possums.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Yeah, but they're not possums, they're sewer rats. Come on.
Uh yeah, uh and birds. Uh that that with Frankie,
you know, Uh no, that was an awful decision. Uh.
That added to the competition there those something else you
had to keep an eye, never knew what was gonna happen,

(51:03):
or you had dogs humping at ringside or something. You know,
you never to pay for that stuff, all right, that's right.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
People want to see that stuff us.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
It was easy. It was easy to just like President
Jack Tunny.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
This is all his fault, it really most of it was.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Yes, of course, well he was he was supposed to
help to take her Hogan shit happen.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
It's farversas Howney one.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
He's like, I'm gonna shut ringstart and make sure noigan's happened.
Rick Flair still showed up, and more Shenanigans happened.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
And that's how we got the world title here and
the Royal Rumble.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
So if we're gonna condone everything he did terrible, well,
he did give us the world title inside of a
Royal Rumble. So thank you President Jack Tunny for your service.
God blessed Jack Tunny. All right, I just want to
say that got us the soul though in this matchup,
rules of the Royal Rumble seemed to be made up
because during this the match, a man comes down in

(51:55):
the match, he's beating up Jake to snake, they have
a huge rivalry.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
I don't know if you noticed.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
We talked about it, King Cobra eating the Macho Man
live on Saturday Morning television.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
Well Machament jumps over.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Don't you don't talk about my bet my bet wedding situation?

Speaker 3 (52:10):
All right? My bed wedding says, whenever that comes up. Yeah,
you're gonna have a rough one tonight, Steve.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
I know I'm gonna have to delete this as soon
as we're done, so I don't remember it later on drink.
I'll just drink a lot of pumpkin spice. But Macha
Man eliminates himself. Well, Gorilla and Bobby on commentary are like,
well he's out of here.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Yeah, but yet tak her by the rules.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Taker rolls underneath the ring, throws Macha Man back in,
and Bobby Cala just like, well, I guess he. I
guess he's back in, And the rules of their rumble
obviously changed because it's based in you know, it's a storyline.
Nineteen ninety, Arne a giant, also eliminated himself when Jake
came down with the snake. That counted. Macha Man doing

(52:50):
it here doesn't count?

Speaker 6 (52:53):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Should I care? Should I not care how am I
supposed to feel about now.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
I think that if if you would have drilled down
into the rules that day, you had to have been
touched by someone else that whatever motion set into motion
you going over the top rope, how does that sound?
Does that work?

Speaker 5 (53:13):
I'll accept it.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
The fact that he voluntarily went over, which Randy was
used to doing and probably didn't think through. Whoops. Maybe
I should have gone under the top rope and then
I could have gone out. But I think that day, yes,
we drilled, you had to have an opponent set in
motion you going over the top rope. That's what I'm

(53:36):
standing by.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
I'll accept it.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
In the end, and somebody telling Undertaker telling Undertaker get
his ass back.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Speaking of Undertaker, there's another cool rule in this rumble.
As Undertaker in hoult Coot, you can get to choose
their numbers, but not one through thirty. They picked twenty
through thirty because technically they are the past former world
champions involved with all the shenanigans.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
With the world title.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
So they drill that into a storyline where a Taker
and Hogan will get like kind of a benefit of
being former world champions involved with all this crap, So
I also like that, Like, there's a lot of storytelling
in this rumble match, but there's also some other things
that happened here where Brett Hart around this time, he
was the Interncontinental Champion, And originally it's supposed to be
here versus the Mounty here at roll Rumble. Well, according

(54:23):
to stories, Brett Hart has one hundred and four degree temperature.
So we loses the Intercontinental Championship to the Mounty at
a house show in Springfield, Massachusetts. I was not there,
how sad, but here at the Rumble it's gonna be
Piper versus the Mounty. Roddy Piper wins his first ever
WWF championship after being here for so long. A lot

(54:43):
of talking points here, but one is storyline is Brett's
out one hundred and four degree temperature? Rumor is Brett
Hard in early ninety one was negotiating with WCW to
come over to the company. Well, Brett didn't realize his
contract rolled over automatically, which things he can't leave. So

(55:04):
Brett Hart loses the its titled Mounty, Piper gets.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
It, so on and so forth.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Yeah, because I mean maybe that sounded good, but I
tell you I think it'd take a lot more than
one hundred and forty degree temperature to keep Brett Hart
out of the ring. Yes, I mean that guy. I
don't know how many times him he went in there,
went out there when he had no business going out there.
Should have been in the hospital.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Dude. Remember we talked about his His brother died the
day before. Sarbavasari is nineteen ninety. He wrestled a week
two weeks before eighty nine. He got ruptured ribs in
a kidney wrestled.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Yeah, and now he.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
Or he is hundred and four temperature, he's out.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Yeah, and then you have him and you know how
this scenario works, when when you don't know what's going
on with the guy, have him, like you said, drop
the belt at a house show, and you make sure
you get it taped so you've got that so that
you can because you don't know what's gonna happen with
this guy, but you're covered. Now he lost the belt,

(56:07):
so he can't take it down south. So yeah, I
think that that that was more to what was what
was happening at the time. Yeah, and Brett's wondered, Okay,
what the hell, what's going on? What's going on here?

Speaker 2 (56:23):
And so me, it's weird because Rick Flair came to
ww F with the World Championship from w CW and
he called himself the real world champion in Vincement. Man
love that ship they had to you know, eventually blotted
out so you couldn't tell what it was. Bretton ninety
one negotiating with w CW as the Intercontinental Champion.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
Would you do you think Brett Hart would have done that?

Speaker 2 (56:47):
He would have shown up with the world title of
the Intercontinental title in WSW and put it on air,
just like that Rick Flair did to no.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
No, I know, you know when it came all came
down to it, you know, heart, we know the family
he came from and uh old school. It had nothing
to do necessarily with the you know, the business as
far as money or or you know, having the championship

(57:15):
and I'll take it down there. He wouldn't have done
He wouldn't have done that. But what he wanted to
do is he wanted to do it right. Do me,
do me right. You know the way to do this,
I'll drop the belt. But he didn't want to do it.
There were scenarios that he said I'm not going to
do it this way and they want you know, I'm
not going to lose it in Canada.

Speaker 6 (57:36):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
You know, he had certain and that's that's what it
came down to for him, like just be do do
the right thing. And uh. And I think that even
he was insulted by in a sense that you think
I would do something like that, But the threat of it,
at least being out there certainly didn't hurt his situation

(57:58):
as far because this was workorried about it. So but
I don't think and I certainly wasn't in Brett Hart's head,
but just knowing who he is and the way he
conducted himself in business and coming from the family that
he does with Stu and how you did things, I

(58:19):
don't think he ever would have done that. But the
threat to help you get some leverage, Yeah, okay, I'll
go with that.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
He wanted a singles push and I'm understanding that, you.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Know, he wanted to be there forever he did and
you know, he got that big deal and then it's
just like I can't do that. Well, is what is this?
What does this paper mean? Anything? Means nothing?

Speaker 2 (58:46):
You know, Well, because you're talking about ninety seven to
the Montreal screw Job. It's like it's like connecting both
pieces together, which is crazy, Like they both had the
same exact implications and scenarios, except one is in ninety
two when business is down. One happens in ninety seven
where if Vince loses his battle against w it's over.
The WWE is probably gonna close. So in reality, both

(59:09):
scenarios happened. One Brett just loses the title out of
household the Mounty. One leads to Montreal's crew job controversy
for the next thirty years.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Yeap, and think about that that here we are, look
where we are, and it's ninety two whatever, and he's
already dealing with this. It's already So it never wasn't like,
you know, it got closer to say ninety seven or whatever,
that things changed. You know, like, look, it seemed like

(59:38):
always that way with Brett, that he never felt like
he was ultimately appreciated. Here he is, you know, think
he's got I've got it all. I've got everything that
I believe represents the champion and can and represents this company.
And fans loved him. He was certainly, absolutely one of

(01:00:02):
the best ever in the ring. And yet there was
always that vincek You could just always had that feeling
like say, yeah, but something's missing. And I think that
Brett always felt that and look see and it went
through And how much more loyal could you have been
to that company? Yeah, and then Brett.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
Heeart, I don't yet all that time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
It's true, like I think Brett Hart even said later Ronning,
I've only missed the WWF any events maybe four times
ever in his life, he said, And up until the
Montreal screw job. It's just crazy that ninety two ninety
seven just mirror each other. But the scenarios are so different,
yet they are exactly the same. And Brett Hart lose
the icy title to the Mountie Piper wins his first championship.

(01:00:45):
Brett Heart though, beats Piper Brett Russman. He eight gets
his belt back, and according to the stories are, Brett
Hart talked to Vince and Vince convinced them please day,
you know, please day, I promise you a singles run.
Well that worked out because by October of nineteen ninety two,
Brett Hart is your world champion. There is no more
Hulk Kogan Warriors out by November ninety two flares out
In ninety three, Early Savage steps back in his commentary,

(01:01:09):
you left with Brett Hart, You left with Shawn Michaels
to carry the ball, which they do on on they do,
but they carry it's just crazy you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
But you also have to think in mind that, uh,
you know, did Brett feel it was through the acts
of elimination?

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
I think so, I think so.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
And so you don't really feel like you you were
the guy. You you're you were the guy because the
other ones in front of you aren't there, endable or
whatever it is. Yeah, So I just I think, you know,
he always felt that way, and that's too bad, because
I mean, if you're gonna do it, you're gonna put

(01:01:48):
the strap on him, then be behind him one thousand percent.
Don't always be as you just were doing, you know,
like looking Vince looking over his shoulder, going is there
something somebody else here that's going to be able to
to really change this? And so I don't think he
ever really had that feeling of, uh, you know, they're
really they're they're behind me all the way, they're gonna

(01:02:10):
I'm the guy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Yeah, I don't think they ever did, because even when
Bret main event in summer Slim ninety two against the
British Bulldog in London, England, Wembley Stadium, your favorite event,
one of the best Golden Ora pay per views. But
even after that, on commentary they suggest that Papa Shango
put a curse on Brett Hart which made him lose
being in a continental title. So so there you go.
There's not a lot of hey, buddy, you're a guy.

(01:02:31):
It's more of hey, you're here and we need you. Yeah,
Brett Harper though it's it's interesting what happened to him.
But Piper, he wins here on conand title for the
first time ever, his first WWF championship.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
Why do you think this is the first time Piper
won a belt?

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Well, we need him, that's yeah. And and and uh,
Piper was Piper. I mean he was just this loose
cannon and uh, you know, and I don't think that
he was always one of those guys near the top,
but not where you're going to see, you know, an

(01:03:08):
extended period of time where he was going to be
able to keep that you knew it. I was really
I was very happy for him. I thought that was
awesome because it's It's kind of one of those another
nod to say, you know, we appreciate what you what
you do. But as far as long term plans, I
you know, I once said he got that belt. I

(01:03:31):
think everybody knew it was gonna he was gonna hold
onto it for very long.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
He had a great match with Bret Hartt wrestling. You know,
it's one of the best matches from that car besides
Savage Rsses mc flair, where I was disappointed there still
were no naked pictures of Miss Elizabeth as I was
promised by Bobby Heenan Rick Flair as the personal problem.
But yeah, Bert hart was one of the greatest of
all times, and especially around this time. Piper Interconnland champion.
There is a funny moment though after this on it's

(01:03:56):
called It's not Saturday Nights Man Event anymore because you
see canceled their contract. It's on Fox called the Main Event,
and Piper fights Mounty again. Mounty throws water on Roddy Piper,
so he's gonna use his giant shock stick on him.

Speaker 5 (01:04:13):
He goes to shock them Piper's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Mounty turns around, Piper gets up, beats Mounty again, and
we're like.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
Wait, how did the shock proof What happened?

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
How he takes off his shirt he's wearing just like
a rubber vest that says shockproof on it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
They had to make sure everybody knew that, wondering.

Speaker 5 (01:04:33):
Giant words, Yeah, shock proof. Oh that's why.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
That's how that happened.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
Oh okay, mags.

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
Now more things that happen here in the Royal Rumble.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
We've seen tag team wrestlers and to the Royal Rubbel
match I never usually win.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Jerry Saggs is in this match. Brian Knobbs is not.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Apparently two weeks before the Royal Rumble, he was stabbed
four times by a twenty year old Jerry Saggs was there,
so is Irs. But four men are there attacking the wrestlers.
They followed them, knocked them off the road with their
car got out. Brian is trying to check the damage
on the car while these other men jump him and
stab him four times in the chest. You know, first off,

(01:05:19):
how often was it for wrestlers to be challenged in
the real world to see how tough they were? And
how insane is it to hear that someone's being stabbed
four times?

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Well, unfortunately that did happen a lot where you know,
these guys they go out there in different towns and
they want to blow off some steam after the matches,
and you're always going to have some Yahoo who's the
local tough guy who says, these gadget a bunch of

(01:05:51):
faki's and you know, I could kick his ass, and
they're gonna go over and start some crap, start some
shit with some buddy. And you know, most of the
time these guys regretted that decision because not only were

(01:06:12):
a lot of these guys legitimately freaking badasses, people like
Hacksaw Jim Duggan and you know, you think, you know
with the two point four. You know, Jim was one
of the toughest guys out there, Hercules, Haku, you've heard.
So that was usually a really bad decision. And then
also you were probably there with eight or nine of

(01:06:33):
your friends that you work with and they knew you
you shut that down quick. But like in a situation
like this, and it was like a road rage incident
and these guys see who they are, and you know,
the car full of heels or whatever, and you know
it ends up on the side of the road. And

(01:06:54):
I've heard different things. I don't you know, I don't
think that Brian was stabbed four in the chest. I heard.
I think it was like he you know, I got
a bunch on his arm and then one one to
his chest. But whatever it played out, he lost a
bunch of blood. He lost a lot of bloody. I'd
have a transfusion and could have easily died, could have

(01:07:16):
bled out. And so even though he would recover, and
I even heard things like he was out of the
hospital that night, which wouldn't surprise me because those guys
were insane, but uh, he wasn't in any shape to wrestle.
It wasn't in shape to go in the ring. And uh,
but this this was this was uh you know, this
is the back in the wild, wild West, and and

(01:07:38):
things like this would happen, and guys weren't going to
change their lifestyle. They were still going to go out
and stuff like this was going to happen. And you
saw people getting guys getting arrested all the time, and
you know, because people wanted would want to challenge these
guys so they could brag to their buddies. Even if
they got their ass kicked, they could still say, you know,
I got I got into it with him, you know,

(01:07:59):
I you know, got them to throw a punch something.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Do you remember hearing about this, Like are you at
work and someone's like, hey, do you hear what happened?

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Yeah? Yeah, And I said that's even then, like there
wasn't really reports out and and uh, I remember that
he had like bandages when he did come back to work.
But you know, those two guys were just insane. There's
a lot of stories with them. They would as you
can imagine, and they liked to fight. That that's just

(01:08:30):
where they where they came from, you know, and their world.
But you know, they got into all kinds of trouble
with other wrestlers, and they that's just the way we
did work for those guys. But tough son of the bitches.
I mean, those guys would you know, go at it

(01:08:50):
all the time, and sometimes that that happened in the ring.
These guys would be stiff and they're throwing punches. So yeah,
I remember hearing about it, and but they said he
was okay, remarkably, and I r s Mike somehow didn't
end up anything really bad happened to him, because I

(01:09:11):
think that you know, Jerry like these idiots came out
and somebody had like had some jumper cables and were
swinging them around and smacked Jerry SAgs in the head
and to the hospital too, in a concussion. But then
he worked.

Speaker 5 (01:09:27):
He's like third, I think it's.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Just it was just my head. I'm fine.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
You know, my buddy just got stabbed. He's fine, he's
in the hospital.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Don't worry about And that's their life, man. You imagine
something like that happens in their life. They're going to
be you know, eight weeks, they're going to be nursing
it or whatever. The next day they're back at work.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
Yeah, well, a contract situation.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
Unfortunately, did I remember the story about the Barbarian? I
think I tell you got into a fight at the diner,
trying to oppress some waitress or something, and they she
was not keen to his advances and called the cops.
And you know, the story goes at eight or nine

(01:10:11):
cops show up and barb takes them all on and
they have to uh. You know, the story went the well,
the guy came up with pepper sprays sprayed it in
his face and Barbarian grabs it out of his hand
and sprays it in his mouth like like mouthwash, you know,
mouth spray, and then tossed guys, I mean like ruined

(01:10:34):
this diarner and they beat the living crap out of
him with night sticks to subdue him, and they bailed
him out and he worked the next day. I remember
seeing he had bruises from from head to toe. And
you imagine going in there and you're bumping after being
beaten down. And you know, from his part of the world,

(01:10:55):
those people are human. They don't have any pain receptors.
They don't it doesn't register. But still the fact that
you know, this this stuff happened, it happened all the time.
You know, it was just it was just part part
of the business, you know. But you know, smart guys
got to their rooms, made sure they stayed out of
trouble because first of all, you know, people weren't necessarily

(01:11:20):
walking around with guns, but they did. And uh but today, jeez,
I mean, probably have a lot more incidents with with
people pulling out handguns now, but back then, you know,
it's mostly somebody would have some cap and well or
a knife.

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
Uh, and and that's all you know that in your
career is over, even if it isn't you know, doesn't
kill you, but could have been life threatening and then
you're you can't work. So but it was part of
the business. And I know Jim Doug and telling me
a ton of stories about them going out and taking on,
you know, ten guys and you know, Hercules was a

(01:12:03):
he said, like he called them the windmill. He would
just blow through these guys, swinging and taking them now,
one at a time. Uh And and that's just the
way it was back then. And I know that in
some of these organizations that you know, if you lost,
you we were fired. If they heard you you lost
in a bar fight, then you would get fired because

(01:12:25):
it made them made them look bad. You're out, you know.
So that was the old school. But thank god that
that Brian was. Okay, it's tough now. I know he's
going through really difficult health issues right now, you know,

(01:12:45):
comes with the mileage on that car is about up,
and we just pray for him that he gets through
it all.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Well, you know, good for him for surviving a stabbing
in nineteen eighty two, a few weeks before the Rod Rumble.
And you know, there's so many these conflicting stories about
this too. Is because one of them is the guy
who gets arrested. He had, you know, obviously the guy
who stabbed someone is arrested. Eventually he's like, oh, I
was punching the face ten times, but then according to
the photos, there's no marks on your face at all.

(01:13:15):
So who you were punched by, Jerry Saggs or I
R S or Brian. No, I'm a wild guess. If
you were punching the face by them ten times, your
face would have markings all over it or your face
would be crushed in.

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
So that started didn't add up to me. When I
first read that, I was like, no, this is.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
Yeah, and it sounds like it was. It was, Yeah,
these guys were bad news. And I think that when
they jumped Brian, he was like looking to see because
they bumped the car. Yeah, and so he's like, he's
not even looking and they attacked him. So I think.
But you know, I think the guy served two years
or something. Should have been in there for twenty, you know,

(01:13:51):
for for doing that could have killed them, that was
attempt at murder.

Speaker 4 (01:13:55):
Well yep, they didn't. They didn't seem to care.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
But good times, good times, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:14:00):
Good times.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
All let's talk about something even better. The rocker is
breaking up. Now in this rare rumble backstage, you're in
the classic blue locker rooms and I love those blue
locker rooms. You're just sitting there and Barbarian walks by,
he bumps into you. And then Sean Michaels in his
new you know sexy boy gimmick walks by you and
you're like Sean Michaels, and they play this whole package

(01:14:23):
about what just happened in the barbershop with Sean Michaels. Well,
actually it was Marginety being afraid of Sean Michaels jumping
through the barbershop windows body. But that tag team breaks up,
so they right off Margineny. He's not gonna be in
the Royal Rumble. You know, we're gonna have full coffee
placement in the Royal Rumble. Also, Hawko, we plays Brian
Knobs if you're curious. So this ends, they're supposed to

(01:14:44):
have Marjenni stay home, you know, hey, you're hurt, but
also in arrest happens because Marjenni gets in a fight
at a bar as well, and the cops show up, Well,
he's in possession of drugs.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
They arrest him.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
So now the storyline is no longer Hey, you've been
thrown through a barbershop window, you're hurt. It's oh, you've
been arrested for drugs and you're fired. He doesn't come
back until late in ninety two. Okay, Marty Janie, what
are you? Are you hearing that Marty Janny has suffered
once again a terrible situation because also with these two,

(01:15:19):
according to other rumors, as Sean Michaels and Mary Journey
had a real bar fight themselves after Roddy Piper suggested
that Sean Michaels was the future of professional wrestling, when
Marty took this to heart and Sean Michaels and Mary
Journey actually have a real fistfight. But then this leads
to more stories of Marty suggesting that they leave and
they go to WCW.

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
They'll have this money.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
But Marty is talking for Sean Michaels and all these negotiations.
Sean Michaels is not involved with any of this. Marty's
doing this all behind Sean's back, which against against very
obvious that Shawn doesn't like this. The Rockers break up
on real television, probably in real life, Marty's out Sean
is the future of professional wrestling in the WWF. What

(01:16:00):
were your thoughts on all of this, because for a
long time I thought Marty would be the guy it
turns out with Sean Michaels.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
Yeah. I think I've mentioned that before too. I remember
when I first saw those two come in and I
thought Marty was the one who you know, had his
head on straight. How wrong I was, and it just
shows you that. Yeah, well, in a lot of ways,
like Marty couldn't get out of his own way as

(01:16:26):
far as doing the right thing. He just seemed to
always do the opposite. And I think he started to
see as they progressed and you know, they kept getting
better and better and they were about, you know, the
top tier of the tag teams, and he thinks everything's awesome,

(01:16:47):
It's all great. I mean, he's he's happy, this is
this is good. Let's just keep this going. And in
the meantime, Sean started to think of, you know, I
don't want to be a tag team forever. I think
I could do really well as a solo. And I
think Vince McMahon is seeing it. So I think in
a lot of ways, it became a little like desperation

(01:17:10):
on Marty's part that he's you know, if I can
you know, things are going south here. I can see
where it's going. And Seawn is you know, wants to
split this up, and he splits us up. This is over.
So he starts thinking, well, if I can get us
a deal and it's big money and it's more than
we're making here, well maybe Sean will go for it

(01:17:31):
and then we can keep this rolling. And I don't,
you know, no matter like you said, first of all,
I'm sure Sean didn't appreciate him trying to work a
deal without him knowing anything. That certainly didn't you know,
help matters. And then he had already made up his mind.

(01:17:52):
You know, Sean knew what he wanted his future to be,
and he was willing to take that risk and become
a solo performer. And uh so that that didn't help.
And when and when it came down to and I
and they did have that confrontation, uh because and justly

(01:18:13):
so in a sense, because that was just brewing, and
uh it was gonna happen. And I know that, you know,
like Sean wasn't happy with that, So uh it was
just a matter of time, and you could see it.
Uh they were you know, when coming in and when
they first got rolling, and everything you could do as

(01:18:34):
the best of friends. Man, you did the stories about
the parties the night before and the girls and all this,
you know, wild everything, and then you started to see
it start. You could just see it started to wear.
And it wasn't the you know. I I don't know
if that was Sean maturing or him just seeing that

(01:18:56):
this isn't good. Uh, And and he's not gonna He's
gonna help me get to that next place. And uh,
I think a lot of the stuff and Sean was
guilty of it too. It was reckless with what what
their behavior was that you know, eventually you get away
with it and get away with it and get away
with it until you don't, and then when you don't,

(01:19:17):
it's a bad thing. And like that situation with Marty,
what the hell are you doing? First of all, Art,
what the hell are you doing getting into a fight,
And what the hell are you doing carrying something that's
going to get you arrested? And and when you're associated
with that, you're going to go down with them.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
So yeah, yeah, there's a lot to Mary Jenny, I
think he actually might hold the world record in the
WWF for being the person who got fired and rehired
the most.

Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
And that's not.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
Because he was so good. Yeah, but see if he
was so.

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
Good that every time they kept bring him back.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
They wouldn't have then would take chance on problems unless
they they you know, like you and and and you
bring something to the table. And Martin he was a
great performer. I mean he really was. And I always
wondered if you know, if he really would have been
able to focus and work that way, that maybe he

(01:20:11):
would have been a very successful solo performer too. But
he just couldn't, as I said, couldn't get out of
his own way to just always what, you know, the four.
When the four came, he always chose the wrong one,
like yeah, that's a good idea there, or I'll go
out and do this instead of you know, no, I
gotta if I want to be success the one, this

(01:20:33):
is the way I gotta go.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
And it's like and I'd rather have some fun seaw Michaels.
Though he also reinvents himself. He's no longer dressing up
like the Rockers. He's dressed up as you know, the
sexy boy character. They even start dropping on the the
Elvis scenarios where like Shawn Michaels has left the building
as they would do for Elvis back in the day Marginetti.
Every time he came back, he was just Marginety who's

(01:20:55):
in the Rockers.

Speaker 4 (01:20:56):
He never reinvented himself.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
He was always dressed the same, music was the same
the Tassels. Again, nothing against an act that works, but
Shawn Michaels got to evolved. Savivor Series nine tenny one,
Shawn Michaels is in a Survivor Series match it's the
Rockers are together, and one year later, Savivor Series nineteen
ninety two, Seaw Michaels is in the main event for

(01:21:19):
the World Wrestling Federation Championship against Brett the hit Man Heart.
I think Shawn Michaels made the right decision on betting
on himself being a single star versus staying in the
tag team that.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
Was doing well.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
You know, it's like staying a job and I were
doing a great job here, everything's going great, but I
want more and he definitely got more.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Yeah, yeah me. You know, for the long term success.
He saw it. You know because he said they were
they were great, they were at the top, but he
wanted more and was willing to take that chance. Was
well because he believed in himself that that much and
knew that that was the only thing that was what
was going to keep him there.

Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
He didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
He didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
It's I love though, that your backstage in the blue
locker room, because like everyone just walking by you and
you're like, oh, I'm back here, and there's so many
people and all these stars and oh se like seaw
Michael just appears that Barbarian gave you a good old
r he shoved you good, and you're like, oh, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
Let's not do this to me.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
Please.

Speaker 4 (01:22:16):
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Please God, don't go to a bar with Marginti and
Sean Michaels either.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
What happened?

Speaker 6 (01:22:25):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Just stay in your hotel, moony, Okay, just go from
point B. We're a hoodie, cover yourself, don't get in trouble.
Those are like the main talking points of this whole event.
But the other matches that happen. You have the New
Foundation versus the Orient Express to kick off this. This
is the second time the Orient Express is kicked off
a Royal Rumble that did it in ninety one as well,

(01:22:45):
But this is probably the match, like if we're talking
like matches, you know, tag team, one on ones, whatever,
this is the match of the night. But I do
want to say, what in the hell is up with
Owen Heart and Jim Knight arts close like the the
MC hammer pan. I guess Owen loved this look, but
I can't imagine anyone liking this look.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
No, no, I didn't either, And he just summed it
up like mc hammer pants across a checkered cab, Like
I don't. I don't really know what the hell was
going on. Uh yeah, and we've you know, we talked
about Owen before and he look at the costumes that
he was wearing all the time. It just you know,

(01:23:26):
the blue blazer gimmick and all that. It just never
found his his his way as far as the what
what was the right gimmick for him? Because and Owen
as was what was tremendous. But he's another one that
just never found his way and just found that that

(01:23:48):
what was what was his what was gonna work? And uh,
that's that's too bad because he really was so great.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Yeah, in the in the Golden Era, He's definitely all
over the place.

Speaker 4 (01:23:59):
I would say new generation.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Who becomes the King of Hearts and he hates Brett
and he hates his brother, and he's double Slammy's and
he he wins the King of the Ring.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
I think that's when he found his footing.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
But then Montreal happens and then we unraveled once again.
Don't love that match. Roy Piper, of course, defeats the
Mounti for the intercron Championship. The Beverly Brothers defeated the Bushwhackers.
When the Genius after the match attacks Jamison. What's the
point of Jamison?

Speaker 5 (01:24:25):
What is he?

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
Just like the Revenge of the Nerds type of character?
Is the real reason?

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
Well, I don't know. You know the story behind Jamison,
But Jamison was an actor, a struggling actor, and was
part of a acting troop that would go to different
communities around New York and they would do these mystery
theaters and n and the story goes like Vince and

(01:24:53):
Linda went to this one of these uh, and Jamison
was one of the characters. It was kind of the clue. Uh,
you know, he was one of the you know who
did who did what who was? Yeah, and and uh,
Vince was just amused, so amused by Jamison that he
wanted to figure out, you know, how I could work

(01:25:14):
him in. And uh that's how that all started with Jamison.
And uh he was going to be Remember when Bobby
Heenan't had his short lived show, he was Bobby Yeah,
his sidekick. I mean it was just yeah, and I
Jamison was great, I mean backstage and really a talented guy.

(01:25:37):
But as far as they when they you know, wanted
to do other stuff with him, to be the manager
and stuff like that, and he wasn't. He didn't come
from professional wrestling at all. I mean he he was
wanted to be an actor. It was a gig. It
was a gig. So that whole thing, you know, missed
the genius attacking Jamison. I mean, what was going to
be one of those gimmick matches down the road, you know,

(01:25:57):
like Howard getting in there and uh, you know having
a match I payment value and I think it was
just stuff that you know, just made the amused Vince.

Speaker 4 (01:26:10):
He's hating us tie you see that. Yeah, No, it
wasn't great.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
And even in this Jamison is about to punch the
genius and he does one of these like.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
And then he just kicks him in the ankle instead.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
Yeah, it was and I did. I actually tracked down
when I was doing Primetime or doing the early episodes
of Primetime with Sean Mooney. Uh, and I did it.
I found Jameson and did an hour and a half
with him. You should listen to it because he is
He's a fascinating guy. And he tells the story of

(01:26:47):
how he ended up there and his relationship with Bobby
and everybody else. And he has a son who became
he was on a sitcom for a long time who's
been become a very successful actor. So yeah, check got
that episode. That's a little side note there, but yeah,
check out Jamison. And when you go to prime Time
with Sean Mooney, Yeah, the great content there as well. Steve,

(01:27:09):
of course a bunch.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Yeah, you introduced you interviewed so many different individuals about
the past, the president of the future, of the Golden
Era of professional wrestling, But yeah, Jamison was one of those.

Speaker 4 (01:27:18):
I'm like, hmmm uh.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
Before we move on to the next match, though, there's
one note about the new Foundation. Owen Hart and Jim
Nineheart come down in their parachute pants, and Bobby on
commentary says the Gorilla did they just wake up?

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
And Gorilla goes, what do you mean? He's like, well,
they're in their pajamas.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
I really, I guess it just I would look at
those outfits and that's funny, you know all I thought
it was great, you know, and the way. And then
also when he was with Coco and I had the same.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Yeah, but why like we had the we had the
Heart Foundation, the Heart Foundation, Jim Nineheart Brett Hart.

Speaker 5 (01:27:58):
That worked.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
Okay, what just be the new foundation? But or not
even that, just be a her foundation. But we're the
same gear. We're the same pink and black attack gear.
Not Hey, we should reinvent ourselves and be very timely
for the what we're going through in life. And that's
parachute pants are in, so we should have them too. Well, absolutely,
thirty years later, when you're wearing black trunks, thirty years later,

(01:28:21):
it looks okay because you're wearing black trunks. When you're
wearing parachute pants and cab driver hats, well, not the
same thing. And then the tag team titles were also
on the line. It was the natural disasters taking on
l D double count out boring match. And I remember
watching this as a child, going I'm gonna fast forward
this every time. I never stopped and said I'm gonna

(01:28:42):
watch this because when I see LOD, I want to
see them toss people around.

Speaker 4 (01:28:46):
Yeah, how can they toss around typhoon and earthquake?

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
It was like the the.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
He couldn't pick him up in his shoulders, he couldn't
throw him around, he couldn't scoop something, he couldn't get
advantage of him and beat them up.

Speaker 4 (01:29:00):
I didn't. It was very strange.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
It's like watching two high flyer tag teams fight each other,
but here we have two powerhouse tag.

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
Teams fight each other. I wasn't feeling it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
But and around this time, we know that eventually the
tag team titles LD will lose them at a again
at a house show, and that will be the end
of their run after SummerSlam nineteen ninety two. But at
Roller Rumble nineteen ninety two, it was not fair to Flare,
as Bobby Heenan would yell all night long, not fair

(01:29:29):
to Flare.

Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
I gotta say, you know, I'm so happy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
We talked about everything about this event because this is
one of my favorite events and having you put the
stamp on it saying yes, this is the greatest roller
Rumble of all time, because it's hard to argue with well,
you could say, well, well, I grew up in the nineties,
so it should be you know, late two thousands, or
oh no, I liked last year or I liked to

(01:29:52):
eat before, because that's what I love. It's hard for
newer wrestling fans to appreciate I think older wrestling because
they don't relate to the star. They don't care about
your Jake the Snakes and your herculeses. They care about
your Damian Priest and Urie Ripley's And that's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:30:07):
Where do you think new.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
Fans would stand if they sat down and watched this,
would they think this is the greatest event ever?

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
Well, that's watching movie tall order. That that is a
tall order to say that, especially from what has come
out transpired since. But the but for that time, and
I think you look at you like you watch it today,
You're going to be entertained from start to finish, you know,
especially the rumble there you you that whole Uh they

(01:30:37):
kept it moving and and I look, uh, you know
this this the way this worked was the scenario is
really great because you know the rumbles before is where
you'd start with thirty guys and then you eliminate a
single you know, one amount of time or whatever they did.
But this thing, uh, you know where you've got somebody
coming in at it and there's this excitement that's going on.

(01:31:01):
You know who's next, who's going to come in, and
then you've got a little time. You got room to
work in there. It was brilliant, So it was great.

Speaker 4 (01:31:09):
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
Rick Flair wins the WF Championship in the Royal Rumble.
They don't do this for another fifteen years when Rumen
rains have to put up his world title inside of
a Royal Rumble. But he actually defended the world title
in the Rumble, coming at number one.

Speaker 4 (01:31:23):
This is a different, different scenario.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
But when that happened, it reminded everyone of this nineteen
ninety two events. So I will say this is still
the greatest Royal Rumble of all time. Some people argue
two thousand and one because you had the Rock, you
had Austin, you know, you had Taker, you had kne
you had a big show, you had Angle, you had
everyone in your mother, but this one holds near and
dear to the Golden Era podcast of course.

Speaker 4 (01:31:44):
So all in all, Winn, your final thoughts is Rumble.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
Well, as I said it was. You know, it's a
great collection of some of the greatest professional wrestlers of
all time. And it stands a test of time. You
see how many of these guys as it ended up
in the Hall of Fame, and it was classic, classic WWE.
And as I said, it stands the test of time.

(01:32:09):
You can watch this again and you will be entertained
start to finish, especially listening to the great Bobby Heenen.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
I was just gonna say that the commentary. I think
it's like when someone introduced me, say to the Beatles. Well,
I didn't grow up in the sixties, obviously, but when
you listen to them or Elvis or other stars, you're like, wow,
I can appreciate this. This is a good song. This
might be my favorite song. Royal Rumble ninety two I
think holds up as It's not like watching an old
movie where like I can see the boom mic or

(01:32:38):
I can see the zipper and the monsters costume.

Speaker 4 (01:32:41):
No, this holds up from start to finish.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
The commentary alone is the soundtrack of a lot of
children's a lot of grown ups lives actually core memories.
So all in all, Shan Mooney, thank you so much
for sitting here talking about the Roy Rumble nineteen ninety two.
Whoo right here on the Golden Era Podcast. Obvious he
Shan Mooney, have a wonderful day and we'll see you
next time.

Speaker 4 (01:33:04):
Bye bye,

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