WWE SummerSlam 1992: The Untold Truth Behind the Iconic Event: Sean Mooney Tells All

Former WWF broadcaster Sean Mooney opens the vault with never-before-heard stories, raw truths, and wild personalities that shaped WWE SummerSlam 1992.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
What is going on? Wrestling fans? It's Oh is he dancing? Oh,
he's stretching. He's getting ridy. I'm stretching an error podcast
with Sean Mooney.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
This one. We're gonna have to be in shape. I
don't know if we can get it all in. We
may have to come back because there is so much
involved in this episode, So let's get to it.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
That's a good point. That's a good point. It's Summer
Slim nineteen nine. Oh, by the way, good to see you, Hi,
good to see you as well. It's not like he
texts me, you know, at midnight when I'm sleeping. Now,
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
No, I do. It's true he does.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Behind the curtain, he does. But Summer Slim nineteen ninety
two is one of those like, oh my god, look
at this moment, the monumental matches, the spectacle, you know
when people talk about wrestling at nine, being like this
was the beginning of everything. I'm sorry, Summer Slim ninety two,
don't sleep on this one, baby, because I watched a
full show the other day Peacock, and I've watched just

(01:01):
in like fifteen twenty years. Dude stands up to the
test of time. The audience is into what. But question
to you before we even start, is Brett the Hitman,
harperst the British Bulldog the greatest Summer Slam match ever?

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Oh, Summer Slim. I think it's one of the greatest
matches ever. I go that far and you can go
back in history, and when anybody has ever asked me
what my favorite event was, I always say Summer Slam
ninety two for so many reasons. There is just layer
after layer after layer in this We really we could

(01:36):
go on, probably do about six hours on this thing
if we really wanted to dive deep. But let's get
to what we can. But it is, it remains really
it is to me one of the greatest events ever,
just for not just the matches, but just everything that
was going on and the aftermath. Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, And it's very interesting to think about this event
because look at the past, in the Golden era, how
many times did they really go out far beyond the
United States. You can count Canada for a sky Dome
Wrestmania six. But I'm no disparaging my Canadian fans out there,
but that's not that far. We can drive there. We
in the United States, we can't drive to London, England,

(02:21):
and so when you think of an event happening like that, Wow,
there must have been a lot of on the line here.
You go back to WrestleMania one being such a great
event with there's so much money, and this could go
wrong in my opinion, if this doesn't go the way
it does go, that could really hurt the business. It's
already suffering at this point.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, and that's what I was going to say. You know,
you talk about the fact that we're going across the pond,
but it needed to succeed for a number of reasons
because business was not going well in the States. Also
that included you know, Canada, and so they needed a spark,
They needed something to reignite, you know, that interest. And

(03:01):
they had been over to the UK testing the waters
and to see how it was going to go. And
initially it took off that it didn't do tremendously well.
So the fact that it had started really to start
to build again, and I've talked about it before, where
we started doing a lot of promotional stuff, me directly

(03:22):
doing a local feel to it and reaching out to
that UK audience because it had started to build. They
sensed it and they were going to have this event
here in the States and realized it's not going to
be great. It's not we're not getting any kind of
a reaction that we would expect. So we've got to

(03:42):
do something that's going to shake it up. And what
better way than let's go to the UK. And remember, now,
this is a point in WWE history where you know,
they really haven't expanded across the globe. They've certainly gone
to different places and done shows, but not on a
level where they started developing something when they would do
it on a regular basis. So this really was a

(04:05):
big test for the company and so many things involved,
so much at stake Steve here, because as you said,
they really needed something to happen because things weren't going well,
and they did need to start having this global attraction,
and this they were hoping was going to be the real,

(04:25):
real start of it.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
And when you think about it, the Golden Era really
surrounds hul Cogan. So it's the first paper review in
the WWF's history that does not have hull Cogan on
the poster. In a match, in any situation at all,
you're depending on a lot of local British bulldog. You're
you coline champion Brett Hart coming up, you have Savage,
you have Warrior, but no Hogan. When you were in

(04:49):
the company, was there a consensus like well, I know
the pay per view coming up, but like can we
get hul Cogan to be here too?

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah? Well, there was a sense really that things were
not going well. They tried to, you know, put on
a good front that we've got things in the works,
We've got talent being developed here, you know, all this
is going on, but there really was an underlying sense
of panic of like what in the world, what's going on?

(05:15):
And uh, you know, within a year's or the door
is going to be open. I mean it was kind
of that that feeling, and you know, it didn't get
down to that point, but there was certainly that feeling
of Okay, what's going to go on here? And especially
you know, had Hulk Mania really just run its course
and if that were the case, Okay, where do we
go from here? We've got you know, a Warrior who's

(05:39):
just you know, volatile and unstable talent that you don't
know what he's going to do. Macho man, is you
know somebody that's a solid performer. But then you know
that there's this whole thing of you know, these aging stars,
which is really funny to think about today when you
see that's still in the ring in their fifties. But
at the time, and there was that feeling that we've

(06:01):
got this youth movement, We've really got to do something,
and so there was a lot at stake, there really was,
and it was one of those things we could do.
We need Hulkster again to pull them out of this
and and it was just at that point had you know,
it was tired.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, the rumor of being in Maryland is one of
those things some of us on ninety two in Maryland
really like, that's what we're gonna do here. Okay, I
guess you know it tried and true Maryland, but yeah,
it is finalized that are gonna go to London, England
Wembley Stadium of all places. That's and it's great to
see this because a lot of stadiums from this time
the Golden Arrow, they've been change, you know, destroyed, rebuilt

(06:43):
that it's great to see that actually Wembley Stadium, you know,
innovations here and there, but still a standing facility. And
ticket sales for this were bonkers because on lot there's
two ways to look at this online They're like, well,
six hours went by, eighty thousand fans bought tickets. I
don't know how it's possible, but hey, maybe it was,
but it but that amount being put together in five

(07:07):
days what some people also say, that's still an amazing thing.
Nothing is written, there's no matches, it's just the WWF
is coming to town. Do you want to see us?
And they're there, and that really shows you the opening
of this SummerSlam where they show you, you know, the
locals all getting ready to go into the arena, and
I love this one kid. He says, the British boo

(07:29):
both don't to win, whether he wants to or not.
And I'm still someone found that person, mooney, somebody finds.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
That or is that an English accent? You sounded more
like Greta Tunberg there, But get I get what you're
trying to do there. Shut up, mooney. But but you know,
talking about these ticket sales, they didn't They could have
taken a safe route, I get, you know, and they
could have done it at Royal Albert Hall and made
it this big, you know, but that was a big

(07:57):
leap of faith to think that you're gonna fill Wembley's state.
And whether or not it was sixty five thousand seats
sold right immediately, you know, within once that was announced,
or if it was sold out, whatever, but that's still
incredible end you can't deny. I mean, whatever the numbers up,
it was eighty thousand plus that they got into Wembley Stadium.

(08:19):
I happened to think that it was the event center
that was personally responsible for all that, but that's that's
another discussion. Agreed I did. But but really just the fact,
I mean, that's that's unbelievable that, as I said, you
know there it was iffy earlier on there that they
when they first got over there and they got a

(08:40):
great reaction, but not tremendous, and then you have this
this bill it started, and so the fact that they
were able to you know, literally cash in on that
when that was was happening and generate that excitement was phenomenal.
And I think a lot of it had to do

(09:02):
with that the match up that they had designed, and
Brett Hart was certainly behind it, had pitched it to
Vince and sold them on it. But what better way
than to bring you know, the country's own Davy boy
Smith there and and have this great, big match against

(09:23):
Brett Hart. That was a big part of it.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Oh and because it's so interesting that earlier in the summer,
Brett Hart pitched to Vincic Man, Hey, I want to
have a ladder match with Sean Michaels. You want to
drop the title to Sean Michaels. Let's have a ladder match, Vincent, like,
what the hell's aren't So they have to do a performance,
And it's actually on a coliseum video. You could buy
that later on. And it's funny because people thought a
lot of matches were invented Rustliny at ten with Sew

(09:46):
Michaels and Raisin A. Moan, But no one really knew
at that time about that match. And then this was
going to happen. It's going to be Brett for Shushan
drop the title here, But instead we get the idea
of local boy does great bulldog Brett Hart Sarmerslam Intercontinental
title the main event. Now, we have not actually seen
the Icy Championship being the main event of SummerSlam or

(10:07):
wrestle Mania or any event by itself a pay per
review by itself. We saw it Rustman the six Warrior
was Icy Champion versus Hogan, but this is by itself.
Now we're gonna play some clips though from an interview
you did with Diana Hart, British Bulldog's wife and Brett
Hart's sister, and this event. We're gonna jump in deep
here because when you think of Summer Slam niney two,

(10:30):
you always hear rumors that Bulldog was on drugs and
he couldn't compete and Brett carried them fucked. We always
hear that line. That's a better impression, all right, So
let's get to what Diana Hart thinks about Bulldog being
on drugs before this event and not being able to
carry his own here, because this is where we're gonna

(10:51):
have to start also reading quotes Brett Hart's book, because
now we're gonna find out the truth was Bulldog on drugs?
Let's find out from Diana first.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Dana, when you look at that that match and regardless
of how it really went down, I mean, Brett, uh,
you know Davey had not been in the ring for
a while. That besides the fact you know that he
was professional for so long, but when you're not in
the ring, it's it's tough to just step back in there.
And you know, Brett says that he kind of called
the match or and that Davey you know, said I'm

(11:23):
fooked when he went in there and said, but how
do you think because I've watched that match a couple
of times and.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
He didn't miss a spot. It was I mean you
and I was, you know, you're looking and I don't.
You could see there might have been a few times.
Worry Brett, you know, talks to or whatever. But how
do you think he pulled that match off?

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Because it really I know it was match of the
year for many, but that to me was one of
the greatest performances I've ever seen on both their parts.
But it was just how do you think he pulled
it off?

Speaker 5 (11:56):
Well, you know that's twofold. I'll go down to my
go to my grave testifying or whatever, swearing that Davy
was not on drugs in that match. And if he

(12:17):
was on drugs the way Bratt says, how does I mean,
how great does that make Davy?

Speaker 6 (12:24):
I mean, I don't even if it wasn't even just
the physical condition that he I mean this coming off
whatever that period of time of being that sick as
you described he was.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
I just think, you know, brat get Davey had a
lot of great matches, So don't act like, you know,
the only great match you ever had was because you
apparently called every spot in the ring. And you know,
shame on you for getting caught on camera talking because
if you're the you know, great pro, you don't you
don't get seen talking, you know, you just but he

(13:01):
I don't recall Davy saying I'm folked. I don't recall that,
and there's no way for me to ever know that
that was said. But Brett makes out like Davey was
a complete zombie and he carried him through that. It's like,
well if he was look at the what a job like,
look at like, oh you know that guy was on

(13:22):
drugs and he did that match. He was suffering from
a staff infection for six weeks and and completely out
of it and he had that match. Like I would say,
hats off to Davy boy Smith more than hats off
to Brett.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
But it takes two.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
To have That's exactly right. Yeah, that was a great
conversation with Diana and uh I had the great fortune
to get to know not only Diana but also Harry,
Davy's son pretty well. And uh, you know, it's it's
interesting that family is Uh, it's the dynamic of that.

(14:01):
Even to this day, there's bitterness and everything, and the
disagreement and the debate rages on. As you said, you
know we'll get answers. Well, no, we still don't have
the real answers on it. But what I really would
say about it though, is and Diana had a great
point here. Regardless of how Davy boy Smith got into

(14:21):
that ring, whether it was you know, because he had
ring rusted me, my god, he really hadn't been in
the ring, And of course I say, you know, you're
a professional. It's like a dance and you get back,
but you know it, you can't just step in there
and have a match like that. So whether it was
some kind of you know, medically you're talking that the

(14:41):
conditioning and he if he had suffered this staff infection
and was still feeling effects, or as like in Brett's
book that he's smoking crack with Jim Knightheart the day
before they leave. I'm just telling when you look at
that match and Steve I know, you'll back me up
on this. Whatever happened once they stepped inside those ropes,

(15:04):
it was magic. It was just it is a I
don't certainly, I was never in the ring. I can't
sit there and pick everything out there and maybe a
misstep here, a misstep there, but it's very difficult really
to find it. It wasn't a mess. There wasn't him
falling down to them missing and Brett having you you know,

(15:25):
folks they do their words are exchanged during those matches.
It's everybody does it. It wasn't like something unusual that
Brett wouldn't be. You know, they say things to each other,
but if you watch that, you rarely see a lot
of that going on at all. So somehow whether it
was and we've seen and talked about other superstars and
guys in the ring when they could be barely crawling

(15:49):
to the ring and once they get in those ropes,
they're a different human being. And that's the way I
feel about that match. It was just incredible. It was
a great, great match. It wasn't just the greatest SummerSlam
match to me, And and the fact that that was
all involved there and Brett uh deserves an awful lot
of credit on this about the fact of him envisioning

(16:13):
what they were going to do in this match. He
he talks about in his book how he you know,
thought about it every single night. And Brett was one
of those guys as a tactician that you know, he
would you know, plot out his matches. He saw all
of them happen in here before he even got in
the ring with somebody, especially when it was something as
important as this. So he lived, ate and breathed that

(16:36):
match that whole time before they went to England. And
I don't think he gets enough credit for how what
a brilliant, you know, wrestling mind he has that he
would pull things and remember matches from decades before and
put it somewhere, saying, one day, that's going to work somewhere.

(16:57):
And and so you know, we'd love to have those answers.
We're never going to get them because you see, right there,
those are two family members who have completely opposing views
as to what happened. And if you really want to
get into it from Brett's side, But man, read that book,
hit Man. I think is one of the greatest wrestling
books ever written. And really it's a long read. It's

(17:20):
a long read, but man, it's you talk about this,
you know, genuine lays it out there and you can
agree with them or disagree with him, but it is
a fascinating look into his life and how he sees
professional wrestling. But this matchup was was just phenomenal. And
Brett mentions how when that thing was over twenty something

(17:42):
minutes later, twenty six minutes I think it was. He's
laying on his back in the ring there and he says,
you know, I am elated because he knew, he knew
what they did, and then it was going to be
that culmination with the hands, and uh, honestly, I even

(18:03):
me talking about it now, I get I get the
I get chills because I just remember it so vividly.
And I've talked about this before because you know, you've
seen the interview I did ringside with Diana, but I
had kind of lived through that too, of all what
was going on behind the scenes. Everybody knew it. Everybody's like,
what's gonna happen. He's going to go in there and

(18:25):
just made humiliate himself, and you know, I mean, it
could have gone so wrong. And when that was over,
and I remember seeing Diana at ringside, I mean, you
could just see it was just like oh, like oh,
because she she wanted both of them to succeed. Whether
there was this animosity and there was trust beyond the

(18:47):
fact that it at that moment in time and they
did it and it was phenomenal, and that that what
happened in that ring after was so genuine because they
both realized they did it, and it is It's just
a chapter and professional wrestling that is just storied and

(19:10):
really one of the greatest, uh from start to finish,
greatest stories in wrestling.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, Bret Hart and his book said that he woke
his wife up at three in the morning once he
he woke up from a he was dreaming of the
finish of the match and he's and he woke up.
He made his wife get up and woke her up
and said, we need to try this out to seafi
will work. And so he's so he tried the ending
of this match, flipping over and holding down the legs
and getting on top, and that's how he had his

(19:37):
fifth child. But that's exactly how.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
No, no, no, you're not going to find that.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
The rest of the rest is. But you know, that's
what we do here on the Golden Air podcast. But
this is one of the quotes from Brett Hart's book,
and that's why like the idea of Davy going into
this and if his wife's even his wife was like, well,
I'm not sure if he was messed up or not,
but if he did, look at that great match. And
that's true because after, like I'll be honest, after like
say I have like four beers, don't ask me to
go ride a bike somewhere. You're like, oh, this guy's

(20:07):
out there, not in the best or or we got
time on a bike, but tour two. Sometimes it depends.
But yet with him, if he was messed up, he
pulled off a magical masterpiece. But this is one of
these quotes I want to read that this is really
going be like, oh, okay, this is Tart's books saying this.

(20:29):
I constantly phoned Davy down in Florida, but all Diana
could tell me was that he was out with Jim
the Anvil Nightheart somewhere. I finally tracked Jim down just
hours before I was leaving for England and was shocked
when he told me that he'd just taken Davy and
Diana to the airport. Davy was high as a kite
when he caught the flight, Jim said, because he's been
up all night smoking crack with him. Jim told me
that Davy had a grill on his back and he

(20:51):
was worried about him. I wish Jim would take a
good look at himself. Davy was high as a kite.
So we're about to get to Wembley Stadium and we're
smoking crack and we're getting on an airplane and we're
coming over and Jim, the Abel Knighthart, who's had to
pass as well, is tell him Brett like, yeah, I

(21:13):
know I messed up, but this guy who's coming to
fight you, he is he's worse off than I thought.
And that, to me is one of those moments of
going like, oh, this isn't this is uh, this could
go seriously wrong quick, but it doesn't. It luckily it doesn't.
But I do want to play another video from Diana
talking to you, and it's about the match because Brett Hard,

(21:36):
if you looked at any of the past pay per
view matches he's had, usually his parents are ringside for
big moments. This is one of Burt Hart's biggest matches.
But his parents aren't there. Why are they not there?
Let's figure that out after this clip. No, that clip
didn't want to play, folks, that's unfortunate. Pretty much what

(21:58):
she said was Brett was like, yeah, you don't want
your parents there, Diana. Our parents they shouldn't come. They
shouldn't watch this because you know, I'm you know, British
pull was gonna beat me in. It's not really that important,
so you shouldn't be there. And I'm like, when I
heard that clip, I was like, uh, that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Well see now that gives you a little bit of
a clue that maybe there was some doubt in Brett's
mind that he wasn't sure if Brett was going to
I mean, if that Davy boy was going to be
able to pull this off, and uh, you know, and
I'm sure that Vince is asking him, you know, is

(22:39):
he going to be able to do this? And Brett's oh, yeah,
of course, you know sure, because he didn't not want
this match to happen. So he was all in saying,
no matter what, we're going to be in there. I'm
going to get him in there, and uh, we're going
to see what happens. He was laying it all on
the line because it would not necessarily have just gone
bad for Davy. Boy Brett goes down with that ship too.

(23:03):
He's on it, and if it's burning and there's nothing
and he can't put that fire out, then he goes
down with it. So that was really what I drew
from that, that maybe there was that and he did
not want his parents there to see it happen, because
you're right, you know, Stu and Helen were at a
lot of those I mean, they were a fixture. I

(23:25):
remember seeing them all the time at Ringside, and it
was you know, they could make the trip. It wasn't
that far really, right. So that's that's really what I
took from that, is that maybe there was just that
slight doubt in Brett's mind that he and he didn't

(23:45):
want them there to see it happen.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, I imagine that's one of the reasoning. I was
just thought it was funny because Diana and that was like, yeah,
I could tell like Brett didn't really want the parents
there for reasons, you know, certain reasons, but either way,
he was Another quote though, from Bernhardt's book, when I
asked Davy why he hadn't returned my calls all summer.
He wasn't able to look me in the eye. He
fessed up, He's been smoking crack with Jim for weeks

(24:10):
and now was terrified he's gone back to being that
same helpless kid I rescued from Dynamites ten years earlier.
Trust me, Davy, I'll do whatever I can to get
you through tomorrow. He nodded, and I sat him down
for a crash course, going over and over and over
on match, making him recite the moves back to me.
It was now completely up to me to save our match.
So there you go. There's some indication of why Davy's

(24:32):
able to pull off this amazing match, because even if
he was messed up, Brett forced him to sit there
and recite back to him the match. Even that rumor
of saying fuked, well like he in Bernhart's book saying like, hey,
I sat you down and we did went through the shit.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
But also, I mean remember Brett also says that once
they got in the ring, Davy boy, when he said
I'm folked, he was basically saying, I forgot everything you
told me yesterday. That you know. That's so you can
imagine the the the realization that Brett saying, we you know,
I mean, we're in front of eighty thousand bo, we

(25:08):
don't know how many millions are out there are watching,
and he's just gonna blank on me, you know. So
I think that once they started it was somehow it
must have kicked in with Davy Boy, because, like I said,
you can lead a match, but you're still gonna it's
gonna be there's gonna be lags, there's gonna be there's

(25:29):
gonna be mistakes no matter what you do. So whatever happened, somehow,
Davy Boy put it together because I said, I, you know,
watch that match, folks, check it out, and I'd love
to hear the comments about what people think when they
watch that through and and watch it with that you know,
that trained eye of how many times you've watched matches

(25:51):
over the years and you've picked up on things that
these professional wrestlers do and see if you can catch
these And I honestly, I did not see anything that
would be of major like, oh my god, I can't
believe that happened, because it was it was just it
was an entertaining day, up and down. They took the

(26:12):
audience with them, it was it was phenomenal. So whatever
took place in those opening minutes of that match, Davy
Boy went into another place and rose to the occasion
and had one of the matches of his life. And
I'm sure he knew it when it was over. That's

(26:32):
what you when they're standing in that ring, that's all there.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
It's true. But you know what's really it's really messed up,
is that I had some time recently, so I watched
on Peacock Superstars the three weeks after Summer Slams. I
watched the one after, week before and the week after,
so I watched them all in a row. And what
really is daunting when you watch those they show you
a clip in the beginning of the first Superstars after
Summer Slim ninety two of Bulldog winning like whoop, a

(26:58):
little little dinky clip. Three weeks go by. Bulldog never
has a promo, he's never showcased on television. He didn't
have a goddamn match Brett Hart. He shows up two
weeks later, and what they're suggesting on commentary is that
fucking Papa Shango put a curse on him and that's
the reason he lost the Intercontinental title. They're harping on

(27:20):
what happens with Warrior in Savage and Flay, which we'll
talk about a little bit. But is that shocking that
when we think about Brett Harper's Bulldog being the greatest
Summer slim of all match of all time, even best
match of all time in the WWE in f but
the aftermath doesn't connect those pieces. The aftermath is Papa
Shanko put a curse on Brett and Bulldog's missing from TV.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, that's a bit of a stretch. Yeah, know what
he's talking about it. Of course it happened, because okay,
so why do you think that was going on? Could
it have possibly been that they're thinking that maybe Davy
boy is not as dependable and he's not in a
great place even when that's all over, because you know,

(28:04):
they talked about it that you know that would have
you would have thought that really would have boosted his
competence and then saying okay, I'm back, I can do
this if I can do it that in that shape.
But I think we know if and I don't know
if this lends any credence to drug use or whatever,

(28:25):
but if you know how that works, it's not like
you're done and it's over. You know, you're back on
track and I own ever, I'm never going to do
that again. So I think that that's I think that's
why we saw that. Yeah, and it wasn't you know,
we saw the same thing with the with the carry
about Eric that you know, they could be brilliant in

(28:47):
the ring and then you don't know what's going on
behind the scenes, and it gets harder and harder for
them because they are dependent on so many chemicals and
every and other devices that advices. I should say that
you know that are not good for a human being
staying healthy. And so it's unfortunately, because you're right, it

(29:09):
should have man, that should have you talked about a
build right there. I mean that coming off that should
have been gigantic and as we talked, look where we look,
where we were at the time, and now you got something.
It wasn't just a UK thing. It wasn't just okay,
made those folks happy in the United Kingdom. It's not
going to sell over there, Hell yeah it is. So yeah,

(29:32):
that's that's what's uh. I mean, come on, come up
with something better than Papa Shango. I love Papa Shango
by the curse that made them lose after saying that match,
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
No, it doesn't even I loved it during Superstar because
they do a double box. So it's like Brett harr
is wrestling some you know, development talent local and then
in the corner, in the corner at Tapashang the curse.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Whoa.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Then he has a book and it catches on a
fire in his hand. I thought to myself, I don't
remember this at all. I pushed this out of my
brain so far. That Papa Shango is the reason Brett
Hart lost, not Davy boy pinning him. It was the curse.
And you know, we mentioned earlier as Brett Hart want
to fight Sean Michaels at SummerSlam, but that didn't happen.
But in reality, Brett kind of pitched Vince, Hey, I'll

(30:19):
lose to Davy. Then Davy can just lose to Sean Michaels, right.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
And in a brilliant way and make that a really
great run.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, and when it was decent, and then Bulldog lost
on Saturday Night's main event and he was fired before
Survivor Series. So it's a SummerSlam he's fired before we
get to Survivor series, what's happening to Brett hart Sarvia series.
He's currently the world champion and he's posing with Santa
Claus at the end of Savibor series. So what a

(30:46):
tale of two different tales of retail one person one
one person lost, but in reality, the loser of this
match is the winner.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah, it's a tragedy. It really is in many ways,
and as as the way it ended up, and it's
it's it's incredibly sad because I remember thinking too after
that match, Okay, all right, now now he gets now,
you know, he gets back on track here. And it
may not you know, it's not gonna happen overnight, but

(31:19):
you know, I felt in some ways it saved him.
And I'm sure that Diana felt the same way. Nobody
really understands, and you can listen to that episode I
go back in primetime and listen to that of what
she went through, and you know, she loved him so dearly.
She loved him from the second she laid eyes on
his picture. She didn't even have to see him in person,

(31:41):
and the way it all happened, it was it really
just really tragic and having conversations with Harry, which I
think Harry is now as old as Davy Boy was
when he passed away. And you know, he didn't have
a dad around when he was here on this planet
because of we we know all the schedule and what

(32:03):
these guys did. And he used to just and he
talked about when dad came home, he would basically like
wrap himself around his gear, you know, just to feel
a piece of that guy, you know, and he just
wanted his a dad around. Uh not understanding, I mean,
when you're that age, how are you gonna understand why
dad has gone for three weeks and comes home for

(32:24):
a couple of days and then I got to say
goodbye to him again, and uh you know uh in
Georgia too, you know his daughter And that is a
that's a whole other subject that and that we need
to do an episode on that. Sometimes Steve to talk
about the the price of of and just specifically just

(32:49):
focus on families and and what what it did to
people in that. But getting back to Diana, like all
all she wanted was for him to be good, for
him to be healthy, to be a dad for their children.
And this business was not gonna let it happen.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
No, and and interesting because even before the match starts
on Summer some ninety two, you are ringside. You've been
you've been backstage all night long doing interviews, but now
you're front and senate. You have Diana. And with wrestlers,
we have seen them cut promos where they use their
puns because of their names or such. The interview you
do with Diana, it's not smooth, it's not crisp. It's

(33:30):
from the heart. It feels like it seems like even
at one point they tell you in your earpiece you
gotta wrap her up because she's really sharing her thoughts
and feelings. And if you watch this interview, she's talking,
she's talking, he's talking, and you you actually was pulled
the microphone away from her and you're like, well, thanks, Diana,
I know we have to go to the ring side
because she is really spilling your guts to you in
front of eighty thousand people. Do you have any memories

(33:52):
of what was there prep? Did you just sit down
and you're like, all right, we're gonna ask you this
and then we're gonna go through that.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Well, not necessarily, I mean, I you know, I certainly
told her this is what I'm going to ask you,
and so she could be prepared. But I will tell
you though that I think, what what why she was
so willing to do this. I had had the opportunity
to be around them a lot before that and had
conversations with Diana, so she was very comfortable with me.

(34:23):
And as I said, you know, this was all this
was real. I mean, we know how professionals wrestling stories,
you know, scrape reality very often. With this one man,
this was as raw as it gets because of what
had happened over that summer. And so when she got

(34:47):
the opportunity and I think all of that emotion that
was going on, I'm just kind of like, I just
got to tell somebody, you know, it was could imagine
the being ringside there, Stu and Helen aren't there and
it's Diana and uh, you know, and not really not
knowing what is going to happen here. It could be awful.

(35:09):
And that's my husband and that's my brother. So I
I totally agree with you as far as you know,
when it was just so real and it was that
was all what she was experiencing. And it was another
one of those where I didn't want to pull that
mic away, but they're barking in my ear, and I

(35:29):
understand we've got time constraints here, but I just felt
it was, you know, so compelling that I was thinking,
you know, this is not this. People aren't at home going, yeah, yeah,
this is something that they worked up or whatever. They're like, Man, Jesus,
she's this is what she's feeling. And I can't, and
I think a lot of people felt for her. I can't.
I would imagine there were people that were welling up

(35:51):
when they're listening to her, because you know, this is
what was going on, and we're all waiting to see, Okay,
what's going to happen because it was going down.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
And what's interesting too is even before this they even
announced this, you know, a few weeks before, hey, we'll
be at Wembley, but Bulldogs out when this is all
kind of being put together. Bulldog's out for six weeks
being suspended for steroid use, and then we have him
smoking crack with Jim Knightheart, then we have the fallout
after where he gets fired in to the end of
ninety two because I'm getting steroids through Warrior that's being

(36:24):
sent to his house. It's like, there's a lot of
man like Brett was, a lot of people are trying
to help you, at least Bulldog. Now I'm not bulldog.
So again we talked about the price of fame and
the things you have to do sometimes to stay there,
and unfortunately, I imagine it's unraveling quickly for him in ninety two,
where you're getting all these chances, but yet you're still
blowing them because you're stuck in the way you were functioning.

(36:46):
Everyone wants you to function a different way, but you can't.
You don't know how to. And so I'm not putting
blame on him, but it's really like, how many chances
do you get, sir, because you've been given multiple ones
and people keep trying to help you and it's not
turning out the right way. And I don't know. It's
very interesting like that. But let's see if the last
Diana heart clip will play before we move on, because.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Before you get to it, though, I do I want
to say though, and I know I'll say this directly
people out there listening to that. You know, if you've
ever dealt with an addict, and uh, you know, I've
heard people say before they'll they'll break your heart a
thousand times. And it's true. Uh you know my family
where you you can't understand it. Were so many of

(37:34):
us are trying to help you. They get you into
places that are going to help you, and you're just
praying to God that that it's going to work this time,
and and so many opportunities like how could you blew it?
And now you want to go do that? And that's
where you are, and you did this and and you
you know you can't understand it. Well, that's the demon

(37:55):
of it. That is you have no idea what you're
up against. And until a person, as you've heard over
and over again, until they decide that that's it and
they change their life, and you're not going to do it.
And so that is the situation there because you look
at you like you just said, Davey boy had all
these these chances. So many people wanted him to succeed,

(38:16):
uh you know, Vince, and not just necessarily because it
was good business. It was going to be good business
and everybody else around him, and yet you think like
how could he do that? Well, in many ways he
wasn't in control of it, right.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
And I think that's again that's we talked about it. Fourth.
So many wrestlers have passway at young ages, clearly for
reasons that are beyond their control, and people will be like, well,
why couldn't they control it? As you brought up, Well,
you don't know the situation. You don't know them, You
have no idea what's going through their brains or their body.
So sometimes we have to go, well that suck, but
I'm not them. But let's see if this lost people

(38:53):
play and.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
He and Davy did this, you know, did this and
first main event, however, that wasn't a world title, and
their first pay per view not main event, but first
pay per view that wasn't world's title.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
And there was some u.

Speaker 5 (39:11):
You know, nitpicking in the background leading up to that
about that Brenton Davey shouldn't be main event and the
world felt always always his main event, and uh so
I knew that they had a lot to prove. And
I was also so worried about Davy's leg, and I

(39:32):
just I was a nervous wreck.

Speaker 6 (39:34):
I always, I remember, I remember, but they stole the show.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Sta the show, and that's that's where I want. And
that's interesting too. Is another aspect to all of this is.
This is definitely don have to be a two parter
or some of some money too, because because this match
it needs the love and it needs the actual dedication
to it. Because Diana saying that there was clearly some
issues back stage, because imagine, I asked you, I think

(40:02):
last week SummerSlam nineteen ninety, I said, hey, you know,
the main event is Warrior versus Red Crew World title.
Should have that been the main event? And you said
the world title should be the main event, But yet
here we are. It's London, England, though, perfect crowd, perfect opponent,
perfect everything, So I think that's okay. Was their issues
backstage with Machamen and Warrior and Flayer and these characters

(40:24):
being put in the middle versus not at the end?

Speaker 2 (40:29):
No, I think everybody understood the enormity of that matchup
and playing off, you know, the whole British the UK
angle of it with with Davy Boy, and everybody understood
all that. So I don't think that was the case.
You know that, As we said, when it all comes

(40:50):
down to it, these guys are are businessman. They're go, okay,
what's going to make us the most money? And where
am I going to how am I going to capitalize
on this one word or the other. So I don't
think that was the case. One more thing I want
to say about that with with the with Davy Boy is,
you know, it reminds me and it was just something
as we got into that about addiction, and it kind

(41:11):
of reminded me. It reminded me of you know that
that people have had somebody in the family and it's
there's a big event and and dad cleans up for
a couple of days, what puts a suit on, and
he comes and he's charming, and he does everything you
need him to do, and you're like, that's him, that's him.
And then you know, Monday morning he's back in the

(41:32):
couch with a bottle and you don't understand why. And
uh and I I'm not I don't need to take
it like that low, but I'm just saying that that
there was like that feeling I think afterwards because everybody
wanted to see Davy Boy back in that suit. And uh.
So it's it's one of those things. I still think

(41:56):
about that and every now and then and and uh
and and wish that it could have been different. I
wish that Harry still had his dad on this planet,
which Georgia still had her dad on this planet, but
he lost he lost that to that, to that demon,
and it's it's it's really sad. Getting back to your
point there that I just think that, as you said,

(42:21):
you know, you need like that championship or whatever, but
this was an exception to have that double main event,
and I think and when you look at it, everybody,
I mean, come on, let's be honest. What was the
main event? It was bretton Davy Boy. Yeah for that events,
no question about it.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Yeah, it certainly wasn't going to be who's in the
corner of Machoe manor Warrior? Yeah, that's that'll take another
hour and forty five minutes and me pitching about the storyline.
Hope you have the time, Mooney, But no. In Brett's book, though,
he did say after thirty seven grueling minutes, I lay

(42:58):
in the mat feinting being are broken, but in fact
I was elated. I was also exhausted, in considerable pain,
but I knew that handshake at the end would top
it all off, the last detail in this drama, and
it does because the Heart family in the WWF up
into the Montreal screw job. They were center for so

(43:20):
many dramatic storylines involving intertwining brother brother in law situations,
sister in law situations, sisters and situations other brothers who
weren't active, like Brett Hart and the Heart family. You know,
when Cody Woods comes out and says, you know, more
than one royal family Bert the Heart Foundation, I'm sorry.
I like the kings of the families in professional wrestling.

(43:42):
You have Greno's, you have McMahon's, you have the Roads,
you have so many. But it's hard to argue that
Stu Hart, the architect of it all, didn't contribute to
professional wrestling over decades. We have Natalia Harry Smith, you know,
Tyson Kidd being married in to nat being part of
the family. It's endless. You know, people talk about Samoan dynasties.

(44:04):
The Heart Dynasty is still going strong.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Yeah, and look how many of those guys came through
Stampede into the WWF without being necessarily being blood relatives.
But they were as much of that part of that
family and that legacy as every everyone else. And you're right,
I don't there's I don't think there is a family
that had more of an impact, and I appreciate you

(44:29):
clearing up that it was thirty seven minutes. I said
twenty six or something before, so I know, but I'll
say that that just saves that just saves somebody from
having to do a comment. Okay, we're all good guys.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Know, they shut they shut it off there, they shut
it off there when I'm shock line.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
He doesn't know anything, but yeah, it uh, you know,
the impact is forever lasting, and in many ways, it's
it's fortunate that that it all played out that way
because look what we have benefited in the world of
professional wrestling because of it. But there was a lot

(45:05):
of tragedy that came with it too.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yes, and you know I becrosse being cursed by Papa
Shanga would.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Be one of them.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
No, well, that's probably the worst thing that came out
of this. I was shocked, honestly after I just was
sitting there last last night. I had time, so I
was sitting there doing work on my computer while also
watching Superstars, and I kept waiting for them to show
Brett Hart or show Bulldog and they just didn't. They
wouldn't stop talking about Warrior and Savage and Rick Flair
and mister Perfect and Barby heated like that was the

(45:35):
center point. And I get why because because I have
a feeling though, because we're gonna have probably wrap us
up soon because the real world life timing.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
But we didn't even get to l O D I
mean aloud.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
You mean rock O. But yes, I will say, this
is gonna have to be one. I was ninety two
because I wanted when I did NOS and I got
all together, I'm like, this needs to be dedicated. Bulldog
and Davy need the time because of how good it
is that even WWE WHO over years, even when Brett

(46:10):
Hart would leave to go to WCW or being screwed
out in the Montreal screw Job, even after Bulldog leaving
his well, anytime there's a top ten or top twenty five,
thirty SummerSlam matches top three always are involving Bulldog and
Brett Hart. In last year when they did the poll,
Brett Hart and Bulldog one. That's nineteen ninety two newer

(46:32):
fans to date probably and maybe hasn't even seen that match,
but still the ww' is voting this is always going
to be the best match, and I can agree.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Yeah, And I really appreciate you pulling those bites of
Diana because it's great. You know this this match has
been talked about, you know, for years, but I don't
know if people really have ever heard that side and
really what was behind the scenes and hearing it straight
from Diana that there was it was there was just

(47:06):
so much emotion involved in this. It was it was
real life and it wasn't just about wrestling. It wasn't
about a wrestling match in at Wembley Stadium in England.
There was just so much more at stake and so
much more happening behind the scenes, and so it was great.
It was great to hear from I totally had forgotten

(47:28):
about those those bites and just to hear them again
it just brought it all back. And really I encourage
you folks to go and listen to that episode and
of course others on Prime Time with Sean Mooney and
and check him out. But that that conversation was great
and really I got to know that family pretty well.

(47:48):
And it's been a while. I saw I saw Harry
a few years ago, but really just a great, great
family and it's it's just unfortunate, as I said that
that Davy boy didn't make it through because you know,
deep down he was a great guy. I always really
loved being around Davy, and it's just unfortunately that all

(48:09):
those vices and demons were able to overtake him, because
you know, they deserve to have him.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
That's true, and you know, we don't really talk about
it that the entrance ramp of how long it is?
Like bred Horse music plays twice because so long and
uh and Bulldog comes out I think with Lennox Lewis
and he's holding the flag and so he comes out
and everyone is just going crazy. And I think we'll
dive into that on part two. Really, but the audience

(48:38):
when you watch this of them and you hear stories
about this main event and you're like, yeah, it's really good.
It's really good. But there's a lot of like the
fans are kind of hush during this matchup. They're very
they're interested, they're very in tune to what's going on
the other matches. With the l D they're just going like, ah,
like the fans going but zerker crazy, which is fine,
but when you get to this match, it's they are

(48:59):
too and Dan they are like, oh okay, I will clap,
I will make noise. Too, but I'm going to watch
everything because it is a wrestling clinic and we've said
it a thousand times probably here, but it's magic in
the ring. The matt is the canvas, they are the artists,
and they painted a goddamn picture and still to this
day we are talking about how great this match was.
So this is part one of Summer Slam nineteen ninety two,

(49:22):
because next time we get together, I am going to
talk for fifty minutes about my anger about but Macho
Man an Ultimate Warrior and that storyline involving Rick Flair,
will talk about rock O the Puppet with L. D.
Nails more backstage interviews with you all night long.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
But yeah, we have so much.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
We have so much more to talk about next time.
But Sean Mooney, thank you for those bites from Diana
Hart because that interview is magical as well if you
want to check it out Primetime with Sean Mooney. But
thanks for enjoying this episode Part one Simmon sem ninety two.
I'm ce fall he Sham Mooney a wonderful day and
we'll see you next time. Bye bye. What is going on?

(50:12):
Wrestling fans? Welcome back to ten Calm Media in Primetime
with Sean Mooney's channel. It's another edition of our Golden
Era podcast with me and mister Mooney. Today we're talking
about part two of SummerSlam two from London, England. Mister Mooney,
how are you doing today?

Speaker 2 (50:28):
I am doing just fine, Steve, going back and thinking
about and reliving the glory of SummerSlam nineteen ninety two.
Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
It's gonna close my eyes. I feel like I was
there for a minute with that little boy or girl
in the front. He's gonna win. Where won't to or not.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Come one? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (50:48):
I love it the again. The opening of this Summer
Slam ninety two is so classic to me because they
keep showing the police and the people. They even show
three girls. You can clearly tell someone's behind the camera
yell into these three girls like okay. At one point,
you're all gonna yell you love Sean Michael's okay. When
I count to three, one, two, one girl is like wait.
The other two yell at at different times like all right,

(51:10):
we failed, but we're gonna air that. We're not gonna
do it again. We're gonna move on to the next person.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
You gotta go.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
I love this event for that exact reason.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Oh, there's so much more to love though, Stude. You know,
this was as I've said this for events of all time,
so I love talking about it now.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
But there's been so many historical events in WWF while
you were there. Why is SummerSlam ninety two personally for
you your favorite or you believe this is the greater
event the ww have ever produced as well.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Well, just for the simple fact that originally, I mean
I hadn't seen a whole lot of the world at
the time, and just going to England for an event
was pretty exciting. And also you have to think about
what was happening with the w UWE at the time. Uh,
you know, business wasn't great, and so they were struggling

(52:07):
to find something that was going to get a you know,
a jump start, get things really going and rolling. And
the UK ended up being the you know, the perfect
event to do it, because, you know, the while it
had ebbed a bit in the United States, we had
really started to build up again and and get a
lot of attention in England as we uh as the

(52:31):
you know, the they Vince had always had the idea
of going worldwide, you know, literally going and doing events
all over the world, and uh, that was a you know,
the business plan from the and this really was the
foray into doing it. And to be able to go
to England and then pretty much sell out Wembley Stadium

(52:55):
was an awesome feat at the time to you know,
go and see a Proffes wrestling event. And they've talked
here and there about oh the numbers would have but
come on, I mean, I was there. There was a lot,
a lot of people and uh, uh, you know, eighty
thousand plus, but even you know, you're putting even that aside.

(53:17):
There was just so much happening. Now as in part one,
we went uh through that whole main event, dual main event,
especially focusing on Brett and and Davy boy Smith and
that matchup, but there was some it was a it
was an incredibly loaded card. They just threw everything out.
There are a lot of matches that people never didn't

(53:39):
see at that event and uh, but there were some
great matchups, but also the drama that was going on
behind the scenes. Of course, you know with Brett and Davy,
we've we've talked that at length, but you had the
Legion of Doom there and Mike Hegseth and what was
happening with him, and uh, you know, there was a

(54:00):
lot happening behind the scenes as well with the Macho
Man and the Ultimate Warrior and just all these other
events going on to pull this all together. So for
a number of reasons, and I'm just scratching the surface there,
that is why this to me was one of the
greatest events. And you can, you know, take it as

(54:24):
a fan and as you watch it at the pay
for view and judge it that way, but I had
there's just so many more layers to it for me,
and that's why it really stood out to me over
all the years and all the different events that I
was a part of.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Yeah, you are right though, Like if anyone wants to say, like, oh,
well wasn't sold out, dude, watch the event. It is filled.
Like if you can find one seat empty, then you're
really good at finding where's Waldo books, Like, you're really
good at that. Because it is huge.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
And it was electrified start to finish and the wwe
really that day as far as giving people what they want,
and so I said, there were so many matches that
and we talked about this before when we in Part
one of this discussion that there are a lot of
matches that would have certainly been great to be a

(55:14):
part of the pay per view that didn't even get
didn't even make it, so it was it was it
definitely delivered for the fans that had the opportunity to
be there that day.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Oh yeah, there's eleven matches for the actual card. What
airs on the US is one version, what airs in
the UK is another version. What you saw live in
the audience a different version. So there's three versions out
there of Summerslim nineteen ninety two. And as you mentioned,
we did do part one when we took a deep
ass dive into Brett Hart versus Bulldog from Diana Hart,
clips from your old interviews from Primetime with Shan Mooney

(55:48):
to Brett Hart's quotations from his book, which I advise
watch it's amazing, I mean read it's amazing. And from
there we will put down in the description part one
of this. I feel nice and fancy I will add
them both together into a one mega episode. But today
we're really going to dive into everything besides Brett Hart
and Bulldog, because we already discussed that for over an

(56:09):
hour last week, and you mentioned matches missing. It's interesting
when you look up and down the card. What is
missing from this We don't get Papa Shaga versus Tito
Santana and America that does not air. We did not
get to Taka versus The Bersarker, but yet you can
find to talk of verus Berserker online, the six man

(56:30):
tag Match, Hacksaw, Jim Duggan and the Bushwhackers and take
on the Mounty and the Nasty Boys. And in the
UK television version of this program, the UK got crushed
versus Repo Man. In the United States we did not
get crushed versus Repo Man. So I'm just wondering personally
for you, why do you think some matches for time

(56:51):
restraints are airing in UK, some are not airing in
the USA. But yet this was recorded in Saturday in London,
England and it airs on Monday in the US. You
have time to maybe cut some things out or move
some things around it. Why do you feel like all
these matches are missing and not Summer just put in
their random way?

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Well, you know that is that is a great question
considering you know, when you're doing a pay per view
and they did have windows with the satellite and that
kind of thing where you could you know, you had
to be off at a certain time make those members
that yeah, and so it was you know, plotting it
out to make sure you could fit all this in.

(57:31):
I think part of it is is the decision on
the booking end of it. Why some of these matches
did make the cut and other ones didn't. And you know,
maybe you have to go back to a point where
they're thinking, Okay, we're going to try and push this guy.
Let's see this is a great stage to get them
out there and see, you know, get with the reaction

(57:53):
to the crowd. People in the United States will be
seeing it as well. We get to deliver something that
we think that they want. But I think that that
was you know, I think there was some good decisions made.
I think there was some bad decisions made. There were
some of those matches that you know, surprised, Like you
mentioned the Hacksaw match and him teaming up with the Bushworkers.

(58:14):
That was not a bad match. It was you know,
you'd think, just thinking off, somebody would describe it to
you and you think, well, okay, and it really it
was a it was a very entertaining match. So there were, Yeah,
and it was it was so but maybe you know
they're thinking that like it was kind of a throwaway

(58:35):
match wherever these turned out better than you would have thought.
Other ones though that you would that you just had
to hear the names that were involved, and you would say, well,
why the hell didn't that make it? I mean, you know,
that would have been a great matchup that we didn't
get to see. You know, I I have had discussions
with Bruce Pritchard many times about you know, how did

(58:58):
you guys come about decideighting how this was going to happen?
And you know, at the time they that he would say, well,
you know, it's basically like say, like you try it.
You know, like you got all this, you got to
put it out there, and it's and and it's like
everything else, it's you know, people you put on the
field for a game and then afterwards people like why

(59:18):
wasn't that guy? You know, it's armchair quarterbacks. But uh,
I mean I think overall that it was it was
a very good pay per view overall, and and and
the matches, the majority of the matches were very good
that day. Everybody was on their a game and for

(59:39):
a number of reasons because we all understood this. Now
this really is the world of stage. It's not like
we didn't deliver when we were in the States, but
everybody had that feeling that, you know, we had this
youth movement going and this was the chance to show
the world because it was in England, it was at
Wembley Stadium in front of a gigantic crowd, so every

(01:00:00):
everybody brought their A game, except as we will get into,
there were a few individuals that, with other circumstances of
impacting them, may not have been on their A game
that day.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Yeah, but it's also interesting that I think it's a
big enough teas. We will get to that person in
a minute. But the one thing that someone is missing
from this card originally booked, it's supposed to be the
Texas Tornado carry v Act versus Papa Shango at this
Summer Slam. It's advertised, there's a photo of it. It's
out there. But yet in our hour long episode about

(01:00:36):
when Test Tornado Kerry von Eric came into the WWF,
we discussed in detail about his struggles with drugs and
substance abuse, and here he pretty much is vanished from
the WWF cars in general around this time, like ninety two,
it's very hard to find Texas titanho matches on television
as well. But he's missing from the card. Less than

(01:00:56):
six months later, he is, you know, rested for cocaine possession.
He's involved with the law. Obviously we talked about his
suicide and how unfortunate that was. But he's released in
August of ninety two. This is August of ninety two.
He doesn't make the card, then he's laid off later on.
We've talked about it before, but why do you think

(01:01:17):
that they even advertised him to be here when they
probably knew that he wasn't going to show up or
not make it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Well, I think that many in many cases, and they
wanted carry to succeed. They really did. There was a
great push behind him for him because he you know,
somebody you know it's a performer, and what he could
do in the ring when his brain was cleared, you know,

(01:01:44):
he was tremendous. He was a great performer and really
popular with the crowd. He had a charisma about him,
were attracted to and they wanted him to succeed. But Steve,
as we have seen and time again, we w W
a history that it is really incredible where you see

(01:02:06):
guys that reached incredible heights very quickly and they ride
away for a bit, and then when those outside forces
start to impact them, the fall from grace can be
quick and brutal. And you see that. We've talked about

(01:02:27):
Davy boy and his and his struggles. He was at
a point in his career. This was this was certainly it.
If it maybe you know other instances you can name,
but that was certainly a point in his career where
everybody thought, Okay, now now he gets back on track
and he has this momentum, and look what happened with

(01:02:50):
him and Carrie was the same way. You look back
at the trajectory of his career when he came to
the WWE, and they just they gave him a tremendous
push right away. He's the intercottinentle champion, right and you
see it, and you could you could put you could
graph it, you know, you could just see it, and
it goes all the way up up up up, and

(01:03:11):
then it just went all of a sudden. It was
just what happened. Hm, we know what happened. And I
think that they didn't put him on the card thinking well,
he might, he might not. I think they truly believed that,
you know, he was going to be able to be there,
because you know, people had talked about, regardless of a

(01:03:31):
lot a lot of his problems that you know, he
he did make his his his for his dates, you know,
and and that somehow he could pull it together. At
some point, you run out of road and then suddenly
there's no pavement anymore. It's just rocket you know, it's
the dirt road with all the bumps and everything, and

(01:03:53):
then soon you've got a dead end. Crazy kind of
analogy there, but that's kind of the way it is.
You know, you got that smoothing and you get on
that groove and then these forces come in, and that's
that's what happened. And it's you know, we've talked about
it before. It's one of the one of the more
tragic in the w WE and and in all of

(01:04:14):
professional wrestling to see what happened to Carry because it
could have been, as we've said before, a unbelievable career there.
He could have had a great wife ride and it's
just unfortunate that didn't last that long.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
True, I think I honestly, like from a fan perspective,
I didn't know. You know, you don't really see the
drug issues on television because they're not there. But yet
when you watch him, like in your Carlon Champion right away,
always teaming up and leading the Doom and Warrior, and
he's having a great run and then like you get
to like ninety one, and it's going off up and down,
up and down, up and down, and it gets twenty

(01:04:50):
two and it's just like he just disappears from television.
And so without the Internet, really you wouldn't have known.
You're just like, oh, he's gone, He's I don't know
where he is. And so I would have liked to
see Himbras's Papa Shango here. But you know, we didn't
get that. But what we did get is a championship
match between Macho Man an Ultimate Warrior. That's amazing. What

(01:05:10):
a great thing to write down on a pieces of paper.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Why though, do you personally feel like Rick Flair was
left off the card? He was champion wrestmany Eate a
double Maine event. He was won the world title at
Roy Rumble ninety two and a thirty man Roy Rumble
match he's had a great run. We were supposed to
get Hmbre's Hogan and WrestleMania, we didn't get that. But
why do you think Rick Flair is not on this card?

(01:05:35):
Makes no sense?

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Or does it? I'll think about where well, because as uh,
you know, the fanfare of him coming in and then
wanting it to happen. But you can wish all you want.
And as we see, it wasn't too much longer after
that that he wasn't there anymore. So I think that

(01:06:03):
it had started to wane. They were still giving him
an opportunity there. But you know, getting back to this
matchup and the fact that they did involve him and
mister Perfect, you know, you're you're kind of trying to
make it all happen by the more you put into
the bag, I guess in a sense where okay, we'll

(01:06:24):
just load it up. And that match in itself was
a you know, I think it was one of the
best matches the Warrior ever had, and of course that
was because of Randy Savage, and it was in the
fact that you know, he had to go that long
in the ring and make it entertaining and not just
beating his chest and shaking the ropes and uh, you know,

(01:06:46):
and clotheslining Randy a thousand times, and uh you think
about what what it all came down to, and then
you're thinking, like, why are they trying to They're beaten up,
both of them. You know what, what do they try
trying to accomplish here? Because it's always it's one or
the other. They've formed alliance somehow, an ugly alliance with

(01:07:07):
one of the opponents in there, and they help him
win and all. And but they're in there. They go
in and uh you know, uh smack Randy with a chair.
They they get warried. Then they he's just the hebner
gets knocked out, he's out outside. Randy goes outside. Uh
Flair comes in with the brass knuckles and then takes

(01:07:29):
out the Warrior. After all these I'm still wondering, it's
the angle here too to to beat up both of them.
They because we you know, behind the scenes, there was
there was talk they wanted to turn Warrior heel and
he was going for it. So uh I I just

(01:07:51):
thought it was a great distraction that let's let's make
this a great match and and let it stand on
its own. And I think that the crowd would have
appreciated that, but then we had all these other distractions
from ringside coming in, and I mean, I don't know
that it was it was something that was necessary, and
of course they're thinking down the road, you know, what

(01:08:13):
we're going to do from here, but I think for
that stage, it should have just been what it was
and make it a great match, and uh, you know,
everybody would have been happy. But I agree to me,
there was just too much. It was too much, and
I thought it was a distraction and it took away
from what that match was and what it could have
been remembered as.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
It's just funny to think of Rick Flair and ninety
two because Rollumbule, he wins the championship, that's great. Then
rustling to ate historyline with Savages, I'm gonna post nude
pictures of Miss Elizabeth on the big screen. Okay, now,
CyberSlam ninety two. It's hey, mister Perfect is in someone's corner,
but we don't know who it is. So the mistrust

(01:08:55):
leading up to this event is all about Savage and
Warrior can't trust in each other because they believe each
one is working with mister Perfect in Rick Flair whose
corner is mister Perfect, and that is what this match
is all about. They even have a great match. It's
the Nasty Boys versus the Machamen an Ultimate Warrior, and
there's always like this, my back's turned. You bump into

(01:09:16):
me by accident because someone pushed me into you, and
they kick the shit out of Machamen and a Warrior.
Nasty Boys do, Rick Flair does, Mister Perfect does, but
yet we're still underneath the impression of one of them
is working with mister Perfect. Why would you beat me
up on television for weeks and then lead me to

(01:09:36):
this event? Because even Lord Alfred Hayes, who I love dearly,
he's backstage and he's knocking on doors and he's trying
to get answers. He even says at one point the fan,
he says, I'm going to go into the Ultimate Warriors room.
I usually would you judgment, but today he opens. He
goes to open the door and the slams back in
his face. Oh oh, oh damn. Lord Alfred Hayes stole

(01:10:02):
the show for me while watching this again after twenty years,
because he's I'm gonna I never use I always use judgments,
but today I need un and he tries to get
him and he does not get him, and we find
we find out that nobody's working with mister Perfect. It
was all a ruse for both men to get beat
up at SummerSlam. And by the way, spoiler alert, two

(01:10:22):
weeks later, Rick Flair beats Macho Man for the world
title at a not taped event that they keep telling
you about on Superstars that will air this week on
Primetime with Wrestling, So they gave away the actual championship match.
So the question is why don't have a triple threat
or you don't want Warrior to look weak, you don't
look savage to look weak because they both technically like

(01:10:45):
one won the match, but one still a champion, and
that's what sucks, Like, Oh for Warrior, you won the match,
but ste world champions Macho Man? Did you need both
men to get something? Over the mic with Howard Finkle like,
I really wanted your thoughts, why not a triple threat
because we also didn't see triple threat matches ever in
the wwf ever until like ninetety seven, I think is

(01:11:07):
the first one.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Well, as I said, I think that they wanted this
to be that stage. You know that Warrior and Randy
had worked together a lot. Yeah, and they and and
I don't know if they ever liked each other, but
I think at some point they did have a mutual
respect and at uh you know, and I think that

(01:11:33):
that was showcased at Wembley. But there's no question about
it that the only reason that match, at least for me,
was a great match and brought Jim to a new
level was because of Randy Savage. There's there's no question
about it. And I, as I said, I you know,

(01:11:55):
I think like a triple threat match would have also
taken away from I think that it was a great
one to really to me, that was the epitome of
that angle of them two working together, so to I
think to have involved someone else in it or and
I even said about all that stuff happened at the

(01:12:17):
at ringside was just took away from it. And I
really wish it would have stood on its own, because
I think it would have been one that was certainly
remembered as a great match and one of the best
for each of them, and especially on that stage. And
I just think that all the rest of it was
just took away from it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
No, I said a Greek because I rewatched it and
like the crowd. As a kid, I remember watching this
going I don't have to rewatch this, like I've never
rewatched it is even a kid, I was disappointed in
this matchup. So as an adult watching it again, I'm
watching it through different eyes and I'm like, Okay, this
is no El is pretty good. I don't remember it
being this bad. And then out of no way would
Flair and perfect come down that lasts like ten to

(01:12:58):
fifteen minutes of them just grab your leg and then
punching you, and then Savage jumps off the top rope
to attack them instead of getting Warrior to beat him.
It just it just felt like the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
End down, an end, another ending, right then you know,
the raft goes down. It's just like, why are you
throwing all this stuff in there? Let's let's have a
great match. You know that that people will be talking
about forever and and uh, you know something that that
would be on their you know, the resume of one

(01:13:28):
of the best, and that you imagine that if that
would have happened, at least for me, that you know,
it would have been tough to choose between the two.
You know, because we talk about how great that that
mat and and Davy boy. You imagine if that uh
to me, if the Warrior and Randy's match would have
been along on those same lilnes, I would have said, man,

(01:13:50):
that's one talk about a great duel main event. My god,
how could it?

Speaker 5 (01:13:53):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
But me, it wasn't you know? After that it was
there was no question to me what I thought was
the better match and what was the yieldin event?

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Oh yeah, and Warrior during this so when he returned,
don't return after being fired by vincc Mann at Summer
Slim ninety one, which I'm going to keep putting every
episode I have mentioned in the description if you guys
want to check those out, because we have discussed a
lot so far in the Golden Era. But Warrior came
back at Wrestlany eight. The school Yard rumor was that
wasn't the real Warrior because he was in jacket anymore.

(01:14:23):
It was well, and so then when you get to
Summer Slim ninety two, he is more muscular than he
was at rest when he eight, But he's also wearing
a body suit like a onesie that has muscles all
over it, like the giant Gunzales eventually would have except
with fur yeh, I get it. You know, Warrior is

(01:14:44):
fired in Survivor series ninety two around that time because
of steroids. So is he really worried about his physique
so he's gonna wear a fake muscle suit.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Well, also remember Steve that what was happening there too.
This is all when the steroid trial and everything is
going on with you know, the stirrings and the government
going after the w w E and there the edict
was you know that's uh that this is not I
mean they were serious. Nobody can do juice. This is

(01:15:15):
and they were doing the testing because they were there
was enough going on. And that's and remember the w BF,
that that disaster of a pay per view because none
of those guys could do what they usually did. It
was like the you know, it wasn't the w BF
was the w flabby f I mean, it was terrible

(01:15:37):
and the same thing. Well you then else you went
among the six hundred people I think who got the
pay review. But it was pretty bad. But getting back
to this that I that was one of the things
that I know it is good because you know people
talked about it too with with Randy, with his wardrobe
and uh, you know, Randy, are sure all the time

(01:16:01):
he was he was pretty jacked, and he during that
period of time is wearing the spandex shirts and then
even to the point where you and then the warriors
got the onesie on. I mean, his whole gimmick thing
is just that massive cut body and here he's got
any let's be really, it's not as flabby or looks,
but he's not the warrior you're used to seeing, where

(01:16:23):
he's just shredded. And so he's got this onesie thing
on that actually has the you know, giant Gonzalez kind
of absence. Like really, So, yeah, I don't think. I
don't know if that was so much a wardrobe choice
or that he realized too, I'm not. It's I don't

(01:16:43):
look the same as what people are used to seeing,
so we'll just get a little help here. So that
was you know, that definitely stood out to me too.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
Yeah. No, this is when Savy is wearing those bright
bright pants and shirts, still has the jacket, but still
like again and around this time of at least of
that main event, the sun has now gone down, So
now you're getting a whole different feeling because when we
start this show, the real start is l D Versus Money, inc.
The sun is out, you know, people are the crowd's

(01:17:16):
going crazy. By the time we get to the middle
of the show, the sun has gone down and everybody
that's a feeling's different. The crowd is feeling a little
different now. It is the crowd. I want to really
bring up too, is because you were there the crowd
when you watch this event. I looked up, I remember
this car and I was like, oh, lodvers Money Ink. Well,
we can talk about rock O, we can talk about
you know, Hawk and Hell's Angels about it. But the

(01:17:38):
LD comes out, that crowd goes bizark or crazy. They're
into everything for you saying this is one of the
greatest events. Is this one of the greatest crowds of
all time as well?

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Yeah, And they didn't stop, you know it just it
was from start to finish they were totally into it.
And if anybody think anybody knows about you know, English crowds,
like soccer crowds and everything, they even when there isn't
something going on, they're chanting, they're singing. And yeah, and
it was like that's was the feel of it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
And I I had.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Experienced that before because when I was in college playing rugby,
we actually toured over there. And you know, I'm not
saying I went to a match that I was playing
with eighty thousand people, but I did go to Wembley
State and to watch a rugby match there, and you know,
they it's it was that same electricity, that same excitement
and the you know and then singing songs and uh,

(01:18:34):
you know, it was just it was that as big
as that that kind of event, and you know, I'd
seen big crowds back here in the States right along
those lines of some of the biggest I mean where
you can just feel it and the and everybody there
was in, you know, all in from start to finish
for that event. So that was another reason that it

(01:18:54):
made it made it so special too, is that you know,
to be in another country and see them appreciate what
they were doing in that ring really made me feel
good that you know, it's just to show that, Okay,
I think we're you know, the company, We're gonna be
going gonna be okay because you know, you've got people

(01:19:15):
and other countries excited about it, and it is a
big world. There's a lot of places to go, and
that was a really great test and I think everybody,
you know, Vince certainly had to feel good when that
one was over.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Mm hm oh yeah. And then with Warrior and Savagery
before we move on though, I've been watching Superstars airing
after the Summer Slam. I've just been putting them on,
watching them, and they really give credit, like there's no
mention of Brett. I think we talked about last week
Bret Hart got cursed by Papa Shango and that's why
he lost it. And Bulldog shows up like four weeks
later and cuts a promo. But yet with this with

(01:19:49):
Warrior and Savage and Flair imperfect. It even introduces Razor
Ramon into this, this storyline, but they bring this up,
but they will not stop talking about this storyline. This
angle well, where now Savage and Warrior are becoming friends,
are forming the mega maniacs, like instead of the Megapowers,
they're creating another version of that. Savage gives sunglasses to

(01:20:10):
a Warrior, Savage getting beat up, Warrior saves them in
street clothes, like all these little little pieces. So whatever
came after this, Brett Hart and Bulldog were not part
of the plan Warrior Savage and when Rick Flair beats
Savage two weeks later after this event for the world title,
they stopped bringing up how Warrior is gonna be the
next challenger for Rick Flair. That doesn't happen on television,

(01:20:30):
that doesn't happen on pay per view. But the idea
of Warrior turning heel before this, do you remember ever
hearing that this we are really going to do this
a Warrior. Fu was just like, I can't do this,
this will ruin my money.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Yeah, as I said that, that was and it seemed
like a natural progression to you know, see how that
would work, because while he was over, he was never
to the point of what would Hulk Hogan had done
for the w W E he just it just didn't happen.
So you're thinking, okay, well maybe yeah, you're just thinking

(01:21:05):
old school and maybe if he's he was a bad
guy that that might get I think that's what they
were thinking. But you know, Jim had his own idea
about what that character was. He was incredibly protective of
it and felt he knew what it was all about
and that him becoming a heel would damage the brand irreparably.

(01:21:32):
That it wouldn't that he wouldn't recover, He wouldn't like
suddenly be able to come back like other characters they say,
Sergeant Slaughter or something like that. I think he felt
that that character was just a natural babyface and and
had to remain that way, and he was. He was adamant,
and so despite all of the talk behind this and
the plans that they had and the storylines that they

(01:21:55):
felt they could have gone with, he wasn't having it.
And you know, he was in a position at least
at the time where he could get away with that,
and so it didn't happen. So but you know, you
can wonder forever what what might have happened there. I
don't think it would have worked.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
No, I think Savage being a bad guy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Yeah, and I think in a sense that you know,
Jim was right about that, I don't see. I don't
think the Ultimate Warrior could have been pulled off of
being a heel agreed.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
And you know, moving on from this though, is to
a situation that more controversy surrounds this event because Nails
fights Virgil in a match, and Nails recently came back
and he's supposed to be a convict who's abused by
the big boss Man while the Bossman was working in
cop County, Georgia. Apparently Nails has now got out of jail,

(01:22:50):
but he likes to still wear his his jumpsuit with
the numbers on the back. That's his gimmick, that's his thing.
And he beats Virgil here. You know, that's great, but
we want to December of this year, Well, Nails chokes
out Vince McMahon backstage over the payday because of this match.
He was upset. He only got eight thousand to nine

(01:23:12):
thousand dollars for this one match, and he was mad,
and he chokes out Vince.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
Ma mad.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
According to Brett Hart, Nails knocked Vince out of his
chair and put him in a choke. According to Earl Hebner,
who was there as well, again everyone seems to be
in this room at this time. Earl Hebner says he
was in the hallway. He heard the whole thing. What
do you know of Nails being upset of a payday
from this summer slam choking out Vince?

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
Well, you say that people everybody says they were in
the room. I don't know if anybody was in that
room because yeah, what's the comted But yeah, and nails.
I mean there's you talk about buying a gimmick. I mean, man,
there was nobody who could have played that role better

(01:24:00):
than him. I mean he was he was scary just
to even see it around. But yeah, that's that that
I I remember that day. And I've mentioned you know,
I'm good. I'm very close friends with Chris Chambers. Was
with the company for over thirty years, one of the
creative forces, creative forces, and and I had known him
working at Major League Baseball Productions and had brought him in,

(01:24:23):
hooking him up with Kevin Dunnan and as a coming
in as a producer, and that was what his first
event he was at the Arena choke event. Yeah, that
when when the choke happened, not on mind. And I
just remember him saying to me, he got me into
because it was you know, this mad chaos and uh yeah,

(01:24:47):
it was the way it goes that, you know, it
all went down just the way you said it. That
He was really upset and he's he says, like, Events,
are you going to make this right? And Ben's like, no,
it is what it is. And then and he reaches
across with the desk or wherever they are and just
starts to choke him out and people hear the commotion

(01:25:08):
and they run in there, you know, and it's it was.
It was like one of those scenes of you know,
Mayhem in the Ring where you've got you know, the
pat Patterson and the reps and they're like trying to
and he's pulling them off and going back and getting that,
you know, and still trying to get his like and
uh yeah, and they finally get him off, and then
the story goes that he went and got on the

(01:25:30):
phone and called the cops and said that that Vince
had attempted to sexually assault him. So yeah, it uh
that was that was wild that, you know that. And
I think that while everybody, some of the boys who
had had probably issues with Vince, were like, I can't

(01:25:51):
believe he did that, They're like, no, that's really cool.
He actually had the balls to do that, you know.
But it wasn't a great moved professionally, I would say
that was it's but I don't think he gave an
f you know. I really he was guy that just
lived his life that way in the old school and

(01:26:11):
if you crossed him. You you had to answer for it.
So yeah, that that that was not that has lived
an infamy, yeah, for for many many years now. But
it happened like.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
I don't know what the payday should be for a
normal pay per view match, But if I was nailed,
what I would have said it was like, thank you
so much for giving me eight thousand dollars because I
did nothing like he came in. He came in and
beat up Virgil. It wasn't like you were a bulldog
in Brett, like you didn't have a bad match, nails.
But also tooking someone over nine grand or eight grand

(01:26:50):
for somewhat of a squash match, really I don't think
you should have done.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
That's awesome. Yeah, but also what paydays was he getting?
I mean, he wasn't a mid card, so it's not
like he was used to get picking up twenty thousand
thousand dollars checks. Right, So and your feature, you know,
your featured matchup you get, you get the opportunity to

(01:27:17):
be in this match, and like you said, it wasn't
there wasn't a lot of a labor in this one.
So I think that it was also just frustration overall.
It wasn't you know, you could say it was over
that payday, but I also think that it was, you know,
lack of getting more push, you know, highering the card,

(01:27:41):
that kind of thing. So I'm sure it was a
combination of what was going on with him, and that
was kind of the the straw, you know. And then yeah,
and we don't really know what that conversation was. Vince
could have said something that just teed him off about
you know, you're not that good so you know, or
you want to go who knows?

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
Yeah, yeah, I'm saying one boss Man.

Speaker 5 (01:28:07):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
See, he's a spit everywhere and he his little storyline again.
He beat the ship out of the Big Boss beIN
on television in front of all these children crying in
the audience. Boss Beon's been out, and the whole storyline
is Nails keeps beating up people with this billy club
he stole from Boss Man. So Harves series ninety two,
we do get a night stick on a pull match,
and that's really the end. Like Nails, this whole storyline

(01:28:28):
is he's a former correction. He was in jail because
of the Big boss Man and Bobby. Heened on commentary
for the remainder of time that Nails is there. It's
constantly being like he was just buying flowers for his
mother on Mother's Day and somebody mister said he stole
the flowers. This is ridiculous, Like I just I thought
it was so funny. But yeah, man, Nails is out.

(01:28:49):
Nails is out, you know, and again more fun surrounding
this event involving the Hell's Angels because the first matchup
is Legion of Doom taking on Money Incorporated.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
And we know the story too. Yeah, but Steve that
a lot of people we don't talk about it is
that you know that that match moved up, that that's
not where they really initially wanted that. Now, Ted Debiosi
tells the story of this, of the fact that Mike

(01:29:21):
had taken some chemicals and uh and and Joe Animal
was aware of this and get him in the ring
soon he's not going to be able to function because
these take effect, and that they had to move up

(01:29:42):
the match, as he tells it, to get this to happen.
Now you know you could you can you watch that
on YouTube of them all coming out in the motorcycles,
and I'm sure everybody's looking to see Mike wobbling in there,
and you know it was a straight shot, and he
doesn't look out of it. And you see, you know,

(01:30:03):
watch the entrance to the ring. He gets up on
the second rope and kind of looks out or whatever,
and he doesn't look like he's just totally out of it.
Now maybe it hadn't kicked in and uh uh you know, uh,
and you don't see it really during the match. You
see a couple of things that you know where he

(01:30:24):
looks a little sargic, you know, but it isn't the
disaster that you know that I think Lore has built
it up to be. But did that have something to
do with the fact that you know, Vince is like,
all right, well your number you're going you know, you're
number two here or whatever your ear in And they

(01:30:45):
had to move everything up, move them down to get
to uh, you know, get them out there, so that
by the time this happened, he wasn't just all, you know,
just all over the place. Thank god. Maybe they have
to ride those motorcycles out of there, like.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
I hope.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
Yeah. But and the whole thing with Roco, we can
go with that just too, is just.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
That was.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
His puppet. The puppet that raised them as a child,
and they're crumbling home. They finished Chicago Rubble that now
is sitting in the front of Paul Ellering's motorcycle and
he cheers them on. So if those those drugs didn't
kick in during the match, they certainly probably felt like
they did, because you've got a goddamn puppet on the side,
chit chatting away with you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
God, did Joe hate that thing? I mean, you know,
and he said that it was on the burn pit
after what after this was over, they put it in
a trash can as far as they were concerned. But
you know, the whole thing with with the drugs is
uh they The story also behind this is that Mike
had already known that he had been tested before he

(01:31:56):
went over there, and he knew it was coming, uh,
that he failed the drug test, that he was going
to be they were going to find whatever it was,
and that he was going to be out anyway, he
was going to be suspended anyway, and that kind of
drove him to the point was like, kind of effet,
I'm just going to go and get this done and
then he disappears. So yeah, I mean that probably had

(01:32:19):
something to do with it as well. But it's unfortunate because,
as we've discussed before, you know, the one that really
suffered for it all was Joe lord Ias the Animal,
Because as you know, tag teams depend on one another,
and if one half of it isn't functioning, the other

(01:32:39):
half suffers, and that's exactly what happened in this case,
which is really really unfortunate because not only just because
the how talented they were in their place even at
the time and professional wrestling was at the top, and
then these demons take over one of the half of

(01:33:00):
this great tag team and it's never the same again.
They have their moments, but that that whole event and
the fact that you know, Mike disappears and Joe comes
back to the States shows up at TV thinking Okay,
you know he's got to show up now. I mean,

(01:33:23):
it happens whatever as long as he gets there and
he doesn't show and uh, I think that was kind
of the beginning of the end. He was they were
brothers for life. But I think that that was really
a giant wake up call for Joe that regardless you know,
of what who he was and and their history and

(01:33:45):
everything else, that what had taken over his life was
stronger than that, and that Joe couldn't count on him
and would never really be able to again. They would,
they would come together. But I think Joe always had
in his mind, you know, we'll see how long it lasts.
It's it's gonna be what it is. We'll do what

(01:34:05):
we can. And he realized that he had to do
things on his own as a single or he did
other things with other partners, whatever, but it was it
was never the same again.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
It's true they don't reunite until WCW in nineteen tenety six.
And of course the we did a whole hour long
episode about Legs Doune coming into the WWF as well,
especially about this event. But the I guess the lore
of this is always after the show, Hawk knows he's
gonna fail his test, so he just bails after this,
and according to rumors, he goes off and he stays

(01:34:37):
in London and hangs out with the Hell's Angels and
and uh, you know, he effectively quit the WWF that week.
And so that's the lore of that event, where he's
popping pills before the event, he's failing drug tests before
he gets to London. He's hanging on with the Hell's
Angels after and that damn puppet Rocko again. The crowd
is into it. They've been show a guy who made

(01:34:59):
his own legion of doom chest like it hit the
football pads, the spikes. These spikes are bigger. I can't
imagine in today's world just letting dude walk into the
arena but come on in. So you have giant spiky
pads on but in nights and they're like, come on,
you look great, and he does look great, but you
turn around, what was that? Miss boom boom?

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
I love and I love these people that because you know,
those guys are so massive, but it would, it would.
It was awesome to see the other that the headband
or the face paint and you know, and then the
spikes and they and they have the body of Pee
Wee Herman. Yeah, yeah, I love you and I'm glad,
but it's just it's just not working. No, But you're

(01:35:46):
right that the crowd was, you know, as I've said,
electric there, but I mean deep down people had fun
with it. But as as Joe said, you know what
what business did we like? What in anybody's worst drug
induced mind would think that a dummy was going to

(01:36:08):
help enhance one of the baddest, the meanest tag teams
ever to exist, that, yeah, we need this to help
fell us. And I don't know what Paul Ellering was thinking,
and maybe he was just thinking of his next career.
As you know, something that doesn't doesn't compute, and it

(01:36:32):
never did for Joe either. He you know, he talks
about that, you know, when they first had the discussion,
and then we're selling it to Vince and he thought
it was a joke. Now you know, this is a
rib you know, this is and then he's thinking also
he was thinking that Vince is this is you know,
well we'll humor Paul or wherever, you know, but Vince

(01:36:54):
is gonna and then we don't have to do it.
And then it's just like what, yeah, now we gotta
really work with the dummy.

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
All right? All right, so you're questioning that, I have
a question for you.

Speaker 6 (01:37:11):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
There's a match between Sean Michaels and Rick the Model
Martell with sensational Sherry on the outside. She's Mishean Michaels
at the time. The rules of their match though, is
you can't punch each other in the face because Sherry
is attracted to both men. She thinks they're both so handsome,
so a punch will ruin their beautiful, gorgeous faces. But

(01:37:33):
most wrestling, when you watch it, a lot of punches
and kicks, a lot of punch and kicks. So what
were your thoughts on this stipulation, But also what were
your thoughts on Sherry Martell's wardrobe this night, Because it's
a full moon and it's nine tenety two, and they
don't really show bare asses like that in ninety two
on television, and you saw the whole thing, and Bobby

(01:37:53):
Heenen made sure that he mentioned it over and over
and over again, Lord King heen and I believe is
what he called himself.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
Yeah, that that was an interesting wardrobe show choice, and
and and kind of surprisingly and shockingly that with it,
and well, you know, it's it's funny because you know,
you think that the English audience was modest and you know,
very proper. But of course, if you've seen the Sun

(01:38:23):
where they used to have you know, women's breasts and
in a regular newspaper all the time, it wasn't that surprising.
But it was a yeah, interesting choice. And I always
give credit to Sherry because I think that uh, women
in professional wrestling owe her a great debt that she

(01:38:45):
was crossed so many lines and pushed the envelope so
far and just was ready for more. And this was
another example that she could get herself involved in these storylines.
And my feeling at the time was like, who can
you know, I mean, who cares about you wanting to
make their make sure their faces are okay? But uh,

(01:39:06):
you know, it was part of the work and and
they they went with it, and it was it was
kind of it was fun because you did have two
pretty boys, you know, Heartbreak Kid and and the model
Rick Martel, who was a very good looking guy. So yeah,
I mean you know that they would both agree to
it and say, yeah, we both don't want to mess
this up, do we You know it's there, it's too nice.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
But I heard they both agree on that. They're like, listen,
I don't like you and you don't like me.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
We all know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
It's like when you say don't touch the hair anything else,
don't touch the hair, like don't touch my face.

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
So it was it was it was an interesting stipulation
and for them to try and pull it off, you know,
they didn't do the you know kind Yeah, I can't
do that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
You can't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
I think it. I think it uh took away from
the man a little bit. I mean, if you were
like a purest and you were looking for because these
two guys were very very good performers in the ring,
and so I think it it made it a bit comical,
or maybe even a lot comical. So sure it was
fun and uh and the whole deal, but you know,

(01:40:17):
to me, it was it was a gimmick and made
the match a little more comical that that I think
it could have been, you know, a much more like
pure great professional wrestling. But you know, that's that's that's
all part of the the pay per view event and
the spectacle that you know, you you add to these matchups.

Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
So and Cherry's ass was.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
It was out and she and Cherry was in pretty
good shape back then, and so I'm sure there were
a lot of people who appreciated that. And look and
and as I said that, that also uh started to
help pave the road for others that would follow her
where you would you know, how provocative some of these

(01:41:06):
outfits and stuff would have become. And so she deserves
credit for that too. She pushed the envelope all the time,
and she really deserves credit.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
I agree, because they in twenty twenty five, as we're talking,
you know, they had an Evolution pay per view all women,
and there's a lot of credit to Tris Stratus and
Leda China recently is getting a lot of credit.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
As well, deservedly so.

Speaker 1 (01:41:29):
But you never I feel like, unfortunately you don't really
do hear much about Sherry because it's just I don't know,
it's because she wasn't in a lot of matches because
she was more of a valet manager, but she was
physically involved all the time versus the other women who
were managers but also had million more matches.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
Yeah, you talk about you know, the Mulah's and the
you know, all these from the old school and back
way back in the day. They were wrestling in the
sixties and seventies and eighties as well, But Sherry is
the one who was the crossover because Sherry Uh not
only could go as a professional wrestler and very successfully,

(01:42:14):
but she could step into the ring and go toe
to toe with the men. Ledgit I've said it before
where she would say, you know, let's say she was
involved in something and the guy was supposed to close
line her or punch her or whatever it was. And
if that some bitch didn't lay it in they paid
the price. She would she would receipt, would would be nasty.

(01:42:37):
And she could, she could, she could bring And I
remember several times of her getting on guys saying I'm
telling you or or after they had kind of taken
it easy on her and her ripping them in the
backstage and getting in their face and say we when
we're working, you better because you make me look bad,

(01:42:58):
you make me look soft. If you don't lay it
in there, I can take it and I can deliver
it too. So it's a it's a real shame. And
to take nothing away from the women that you mentioned there,
China and all these others and the divas and where
they've come to this day, but they deserve to. They

(01:43:18):
should give real credit to sensational Share because she really
was the first one, in my eyes, who crossed over
that line and showed that she could compete on that
level professionally with the men, and and you know they should.

(01:43:39):
It's something that it's a shame that she doesn't get
more and I know some people have, but I really
think she really deserves a lot more credit.

Speaker 1 (01:43:49):
Of course, in the past five years, China has been
like reintroduced into fans and people are really behind her
and they're upset that for years she was kind of
buried because of personal things that happened in the company.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
Hurt there.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
I get it, it's dirty, it's a dirty, dirty situation there.
But with Sherry, I think at this event though, she
does steal the show because eventually these two men do
stop punching each other in the face. She's on the
apron and she passes out and she's on the apron
and both men are trying to oh, my god, my impression.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
Damsel. Yeah, like you believe that Sherry was no a damsel.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
But she's she's passed out, and so both men are
trying to go check. But then both men keep pulling
the other one away to make sure she's okay. As
they're fighting through the back to the back, Sherry keeps like,
now she's looking she's suddenly waking up, and it's just like,
oh God, she's okay, And Bobby's like, I don't know,
I think she still passed out. As she's looking and
she's she sees both men fighting. They turn around and

(01:44:50):
she just back down again and it keeps happening and
happening and happening. Eventually, Sean does pick her up, though,
but picks her up over the over his shoulder, and
that's when her ass is right next to his face
and they have a close up shot angled right there,
and that's when Bobby's yelling at the food boot here
and London Englan.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
McMahon, Oh that wasn't planned at all. No, no, no,
no no.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
Rick Martell grabs a bucket of water and I love
it because he's a bad guy. But he's like, should
I dump the water on Sean Michaels and sharing the
crowd's like do it make her wet? And she throws
the water. It hits her in the face. She wakes
up and they run to the back and she's screaming
yeah mc and McMahon loves it. Bobby's lotting, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
You know what, I take it all back. It was
worth every moment.

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
Yeah, Like I don't know about this match. It shouldn't
have happened, but.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
Now you break back and I remember, that's that what
it wasn't like he picked her up, you know, like
snow white.

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
Sock of potatoes, walk him back. He held her for
like a minute like this, and when he dropped when
he dropped her though, when he dropped her like he
didn't drop her like, oh mean put you on nicely
all the cements right in the aisle, she gets up screaming.
It was a it was a wonderful moment. And that
that's when we actually went backstage to you and the

(01:46:09):
Nasty Boys. And that's when the Nasty Boys are like
you know the witches dad, like they go there, they're
they're in it, they're dropping Wizard of Pause jokes.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
It was classic. And You're you're there and all your
glory as well.

Speaker 2 (01:46:25):
And and that just showed how funny those two guys were.
I mean they were those guys are legit knobs and
and those guys just cracked me up, the Nasty Boys,
and you know that's all they're all at living there.
They're just.

Speaker 1 (01:46:41):
Go right back to them.

Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
I do enjoy this one. There's a theme though, even
during this and after this event, where it's like all
the tag teams are managed by Jimmy Hart, who were
heels and they all want title shots. And that's what
this segments about with you is the Nasty Boys are
asking Jimmy like, well, shouldn't we get the title shot?
But he also manages money Inc. And then he also
manages these people and these people it's like, oh, well,
that's a theme if you've been watching all the superstars

(01:47:07):
like I have, where we're trying to figure out who's
the babyfaces and who's the heels, and Nasty Boys eventually
do turn baby face because they're pissed off at Jimmy
Hart for not getting them the title shot. The Natural
Disasters are the tag team champions. They wrestle the Beverly
Brothers with the Genius, so I always, I think doesn't
get a lot of love either. I always love the Genius.

(01:47:27):
How his poetry was either who's right if he was
writing that poetry or whoever was doing that, He's doing
it original. Every time I saw him, Lanny the No,
that was Lanny.

Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
He loved doing that. That was one of his hobbies
that he would compose poems and he would do that.
You know, he did personal ones for people. I remember
he wrote wrote one and gave it to me one
time about my announcing I can't remember what, but you
know he did that because he loved doing it and

(01:47:57):
asked if it could be kind of part of his gimmick.
And remember he used to do some poetry before a
match for somebody or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:48:04):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
Yeah, and the graduate but I don't know because he's
a yeah yeah, but yeah. But but Lanny, you know,
the Pafos were a talented bunch. I mean, Lanny was
you know, he could work, but he just didn't have
what his brother had. Uh as far as that charisma

(01:48:27):
goes and and the and the dialed in gimmick. But
you know, Lanny, Lanny could go and if you ever
look back at some of his it was and very flexible.
That's another I believe before Yeah, yeah, I just think
that he missed a chance to really find a gimmick

(01:48:49):
that that worked for him. We'll leave it at that.
But it's poetry, you know, that was That was all
le jit. He didn't have he didn't have writers.

Speaker 1 (01:48:58):
But that weren't writing the poetry for him.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
That was that was pure Landy.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
So all right, all right, and then the last match
we'll talk about here before wrap this up. Undertaker versus
Kamala Untacker comes out in ahears which is very nice.
This is kind of like the beginning of again grand
entrances at events like this, because Taker will get what
a raven or a vulture arrest many and nine, and

(01:49:24):
then from there Undertaker seems to get more and more
and more mystique at it to him. Kamala though recently
came into this company, and so now we're having more
monsters take on Taker, and this starts the trend Undertaker
slang monsters personally for you during around this time, when
you're having conversations with Undertaker stages, backstage or anything like,

(01:49:45):
does he ever share the sentiment of like, well, I'd
like to go back to fighting, you know, for the
world title, not fighting monsters over and over again.

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
No, I don't think that was Mark's attitude ever. If
you ever, you know, listened to his podcast, and his
whole attitude to the business was always you know, uh
and and why he I think he lasted so long
as that he understood it and do that and and
had a you know once once uh, I think that

(01:50:15):
he found his place that he never looked back. He
always had that confidence that this this uh, this character
is is locked in and no matter. You know, he
lived it. I think that that's kind of the best
way to do it. He was so locked into that
character that when he was there, you know, it was

(01:50:39):
just what he did. And uh, I think you know
we've talked about before. You know, it's a matter he
he was one of those people that didn't worry about, Okay,
what are they gonna. Am I gonna get the strap?
Am I gonna do this? Am I gonna It's just
that his idea was just stay on top, just stay relevant,
stay popular, and uh, you know, when you're out there

(01:51:01):
every night, you feel it. You can you can see
if there's an evidence. I don't know if there was
ever a point. I think that when he kind of
stepped away and did a couple of other things with
it from the Undertaker, it was because he was just
kind of burnt out, you know, like I just want
to do something different. But as far as he is

(01:51:24):
is his attitude towards the business, I don't think that
ever really changed it at that time. When you're talking
specifically of slaying monsters, well, you know, he was one
of those characters that didn't need a title, you know,
it just to give me somebody who can stay and
who can stand in this ring with me and be worthy.
And I don't wade where he was, you know, overconfident

(01:51:47):
or thinking he who this is? Who, I'm this big?
But he understood that in order to be on that
level and and and be able to stand toe to
toe with that character, you had to be that big
of a character. You had to be able to stand
up there. You couldn't put him in there with somebody,
otherwise you'd have to squash him. But you didn't want
to see that every time. You want to see him challenged.

(01:52:09):
And so you know, I think slaying monsters is a
good way to describe it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:13):
Yeah, he again, he goes on to fight so many
different people even out of the storyline. It introduces a
giant Gonzales that roll Rumble in nineteen ninety three because
he keeps beating down Kamal and that's Harvey Woolman's you
know ticket that time around. But yeah, I think SummerSlam
ninety two again, we did a whole hour on the
main event last week, and now here we are talking

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about the rest of it a whole hour as well.
And then I'll be nice enough and I'll put a
description in the bottom of part one of this episode,
and then later in the week, if I am feeling
generous to you folks, I will put it all together
in one mega episode because we have talked for two
hours about SummerSlam nineteen ninety two, and that really shows

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you that this needed the time that we gave it.
Because other events, like some of some nineteen ninety or
eighty nine, we also talked about. They're good, they're great,
but ninety two has this feel, this vibe, and needed
this longevity for us to discuss it. So as we
wrap this up, though, for some fans who are newer
to wrestling, and they're like, well, I don't want to

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go back and watch something that happened thirty years ago,
what would you say to them? What would get what's
what's your you know, elevator pitch on some of them
ninety two To a fan who's brand new, who should
watch this?

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
Well, I think that you know what you should do.
You watch watch this the two hours of all the discussion,
and you know, and you've got all this behind the scenes.
As I've said, it's a great event on its own.
You just watched it. I think you would go, ah,
that was really good. After you hear of all that

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we have discussed in the last couple of hours, and
then watch it, because then you're going to be looking
at when you, you know, the LED comes out, You're
kind of gonna be looking at Mike and saying okay,
and you're gonna see Max going okay, did he slip there?
Or is he you know, did it was Joe saying
something to him. It's gonna give you a completely different perspective.
And I hope we do more of these, because as

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I watch them, it comes back to me. As you've
you've noticed we've talked before. I've told you I don't know,
I don't know if I can talk about that for
ten minutes. Well, you know, after I go through it,
and then I go back and listen to some of
the interviews of the guys talking about it, and it
it it comes out of me. And so I think that,
you know, listen to the first listen to the two

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hours of our discussion, and then I watched the pay
per view, Watch that event, and it's gonna give you
a completely different perspective the whole thing with Brett and
Davy boy. And then when you see that interview of
me talking to Diana and then you see them in
the ring when it's all over, you're gonna it's gonna
bring an entirely of it, and you'll have a greater

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appreciation of really what went on with putting that event
together and where the company was and where it went
from there and some of these superstars that unfortunately, uh
you know, paid a price after it. So yeah, that's
my my, that's the way I feel you should look
at it. So layout the time you got to take

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in all two hours and then and then watch.

Speaker 1 (01:55:19):
The whole event another two hours and two hours and
and a half. Maybe, Yeah, No, I thought some of
the say was so much fun to watch again, I'd
watch it in like twenty something years. So when I
watched it, the fans really made me enjoy everything, no
matter what matches on, from Nails to Virgil to Led
Money Inc. Warrior Savage. The crowd made me appreciate anything.
Plus the commentary was outstanding. When sometimes I watch all

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the wrestling and I'm watching it, I'm like taking notes
or reading about it while watching this was I sat
down with my kids and I'm watching it. My kids
like is this happening? Right now. No, it's not happening
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
But that's an interesting dynamic too that thure God, Bobby
and Vince together.

Speaker 1 (01:55:55):
Which Lord Bobby, he was wearing a crown. Pay respect
you're King Mooney.

Speaker 2 (01:56:02):
Of course, because he was. He was the King of
the King, and that was an interesting You didn't see
that combination very often, and like you said, you enjoyed it,
so it worked.

Speaker 1 (01:56:14):
It was a great event. But all in all, again,
thank you everyone for enjoying another episode of the Golden
Era Podcast with Shawn Mooney, because we are having a
great time here and uh there's more coming, don't you worry.
More side projects, more adventures, more exciting things. But again,
I'm Steve fall he Sewn Mooney. Have a wonderful day
and we'll see you next time.

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
Bye bye,