WWE Survivor Series 1989: Failed Drug Tests & Fake Money Scandal

Step back into the chaos of WWE Survivor Series 1989 where the spotlight wasn’t just on the ring but on shocking scandals behind the scenes! From Tully Blanchard’s failed drug tests that derailed his wrestling career to the explosive Windham family drama involving a fake money scandal, this video dives deep into one of the wildest and most controversial chapters in wrestling history.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
From failed drug tests to counterfeit money to baby Shane McMahon,
we're talking about Survivor Series nineteen eighty nine, mister Moody.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
How you doing today?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I am doing great, and it's amazing every time we
move on to another one of these events. There's just
so much behind the curtain, I should say, with these events.
And this is what we're going to talk about is
no exception.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
No, And it's Some Oversaries nineteen eighty nine. And this
is the.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
First of Ivor series to establish the four on four method.
Before it was Strive to Survive five on five. And
I'll tell you what nothing No. If you like some
Iversaries eighty seven eighty eight, you know that's great. Those
to me are so long. It's like watching an old
black and white movie. This is too long. This one

(00:57):
established the four and four.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
What do you prefer though? Five on five? Four and four?
Do you like Survivor series?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah? Uh? And and you know how we've talked about
it before. I just always think that there's just so
much happening in the ring. It kind of takes away
from it. You know. I certainly love tag teams and that,
but I always felt that a lot of times these
it was just too much, and so I preferred having
four on these teams. And uh, it just made so

(01:26):
you could really have kind of a vested interest because
I think they really did take care, you know, here
to try and pair people up that uh, that people
could get behind. And I thought they were really clever
putting these teens together with the names. So yeah, I
was a fan, and and I think if it was
we did it too many times a year would get

(01:47):
really old. But the fact that it was basically our
Thanksgiving tradition, uh, and it was something different and a
lot of people look forward to it. Oh. Like I said,
it also gives you the chance to see some of
these guys that didn't necessarily get to be on the
big stage very often too.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
True true, And I think Survivor Series at the time
is when you have main event wrestlers all come together
teaming up to fight each other. When could you ever
see that, you know, the Royal Rumble, I guess was
the only established one, but in reality, this is the
only time you're gonna see holy shit, eight wrestlers are
all in the ring together, and they're all my favorites
fighting the bad guys like that. Concept is outstanding, but

(02:28):
when you watch these things thirty years later.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
You don't have that.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I don't have that same connection that I did when
I was a little child, So watching them, oh, it's
completely different. But I love the names. I will always
always love Survivors series names. That's what makes it so special.
The Dream Team versus the Enforcers, the King's Court versus
the four by fours, the hulk Amaniacs taking on the

(02:52):
million Dollar Team, the Rude Brood Rude, those Rowdies, Roddy's
try saying that three times fast it won't be able
to and the Ultimate Warriors, the Heenan family.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
So you have all those names right there. I love
them so much.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
And this intro of this service series is extra special
because all the wrestlers tell you what they're thankful for
before the show starts. Then you get the classic Vince
mcmanisms that.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
He gets he does supply that.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
But when are these re recorded, I you know, I
know you're not involved face to face with these, but
when they're doing all these recordings, all in a row
of Rodney Piper saying he's thankful that he's not Ricky
Rude and he kisses the camera, you know, hul Kilgan's
thankful for Hulka maniacs. When is this done day before,
week before, the day of, no.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
The day of it's you know. And they used to
have these these interview rooms that they would uh you know,
take around the country for these TV tapings and they
would assemble them. There were soundproof box this is really
really good size boxing weren't little, and they would assemble
and then you have a couple going so you could

(04:10):
get people in and out and yeah, most of that
stuff unless they did something were at the TV studio
prior to that had to be done then. And the
way these events were set up then, they weren't two
three day events. It was in and out, you know,
or or for a couple within a regional area there

(04:31):
or something, and we do a TV taping with it.
But you know, everything moved. You were at one place
for one day and so that's you know, it was
just in and out. Boom boom, boom boom. Guys would
line up and you know, they did those like that,
but you know it was they wanted it to be
good production quality and that's only the only way you

(04:52):
could do it because those those giant boom booths were soundproof,
so and that's where we did all the events center
interviews too, so they were very used to doing it.
It was you know, that's that's just what you did
when you showed up to TV. You were gonna end
up one of the boxes at some point.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Wow, the box.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
It's okay, now we're gonna do uh yeah, here it is.
You got to do your your thanksgiving. Howard b you
know it would would sit there on the floor with
his legs crossed, you know, Indian style, the you know,
and he'd have the big book there and he would
just go through the pages and tell the guy, Okay,
you've got this one to do, you know. And so
what you're thankful for was on that list.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Wow, I'm Dusty Rose. I'm thankful for Poka dot.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
I'm sure you were. Oh yeah, I mean it did.
You know. It did do a lot for him, those
Poka dots. So, you know, Jody could any sell anything,
any gimmick.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, I do like the combo because they have the
team Captain's going, you know, a million dollar man. He's
thankful for being rich and you're not. But when he
gets to Rick Rude, you know, he's by ravishing body.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
He does his little hips warp.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
But then it flips right to Roddy Piper and when
he's like, I'm thankful that I'm not Ricky Ruge and
he kisses the camera.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
It's so funny. Whoever put those together?

Speaker 1 (06:10):
A brilliant warrior does this typical, which I love his warriorism.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
He's just screaming about.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Mortal modals.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, it's just it's just so classic, because that's what
the Golden Era, I think is all about, is these
little moments because you have this, never happens again, they
don't do what we're thankful for.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Then you go to the classic Vince voiceovers.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
And these teams I want to I kind of want
to break them down for a minute because some of
these combos I completely understand, but some of them are like,
I'm sorry, why are these two split up? The big
thing I want to talk about is why they're split
up is the Heart Foundation. The Heart Foundation seemed to
go through random moments of we are together in some
of every series matches because we're a tag team. Sometimes
we're taken back. Where was this going? What was thet

(07:00):
of this? You have Warrior, Jim Knightheart and the Rockers.
That's that team. Brett Hart is on the four by
fourth with Jim Duggan Ronnie Garvin in Hercules. Why split
up the Hart Foundation so often then put them back together?

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Well, I think the point of where Brett was in
his career we're talking this is eighty nine, that they
realized that he was a very good singles talent too,
that he was somebody that they knew that they could
put in a situation as a solo out there as singles,

(07:36):
and uh, this was kind of also ways to test
that in a sense. But you know, everybody's so used
to seeing these guys together and and not just you
know in a match like we've seen some of these
where you'd even pit you know, to the tag team
against each other. We saw that with the you know, demolition.
But I think that along these lines, though, is that

(07:57):
you know that Brett was an emergency, an emerging star
as a single. They saw that, and I think that
this was just another opportunity to kind of lay the
groundwork here that this was what the future was going
to hold. And also I don't know if they really
knew what the stability of Jim Knightheart was going to

(08:19):
be as they moved ahead there, So there was a
lot happening, but it was you know, I don't think
there was a tremendous amount of thought put into it,
just that you know that that he would decide, no,
this would be a good, good pairing. Let's let's split
these guys up and put them in different teams. I
don't think that you know that you that it was

(08:39):
all this uh, you know, there was never that deep
of psychology of as far as that went. But I
think that that at the time we saw Brett Hart
really becoming who he would become as a singles competitor.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Because it's just so weird because eventually the Hat Foundation
win Attack Team titles again, and then you get the
year from now, we've already just covered this, so Harveysaries
nineteen ninety they're on the same team again as tag
team champions. To me, it's just I have no idea
why they do it. And Jim not Hot randomly is
on commentary around this time and in ninety one trying
some different things out for him. It's just to me,

(09:16):
it's always so bizarre. Why are we putting these people together?
Because if you flop these people around Brett Hart could
have been on the team of Ultimate Warrior and Shawn
Michaels Brett Hart and Shaw Michaels teaming together. Oh, that
would have been so beautiful though. The Dream Team Dusty Rhodes,

(09:36):
Bruce Beefcake, the Red Rooster in Tito Santana defeat the Enforcers,
The Big boss Man, Bad News Brown, Rick Martel, and
the Honky Tonk Man. Now Here this team Bad News
Brown is replacement. He's taking over for a Keem And
why a Key Missus nineteen ninety fivest series he leaves here?

Speaker 3 (09:59):
He's probably heard little bit.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Why do you think Bad News Brown wasn't booked in
general for this car?

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Like, why would be him be a replacement?

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Well, you got two things going on there, you know,
we a Keeam was not happy with the kind of
money he was making him. He's actually come out and
said that he was actually losing money to work for
the WWE uh And And you know the thing with
with b and me is that he I think that

(10:28):
it was just he was kind of erratic as far
as and his attitude, you know, was I think he
was always questioning things, and you know, when you're always
that causing that those you know issues, you know, like
you don't need it. You've got a big lineup of
other people that are just happy to be there or

(10:49):
who keep their mouths shut and just do what they've
got to do. So I think he hurt himself in
a lot of ways as far as other opportunities. And
you know, this was another situation where they're kind of like, Okay,
let's let's help him here, let's you know, give him
a little push here. But it just seemed like then

(11:12):
there was always something and I hate that kind of
what what happened with him?

Speaker 1 (11:17):
How do you think the Red Rooster was feeling about
this time about his decisions?

Speaker 3 (11:22):
You know, like the bad News Brown. I love Badne's Brown,
but red Rooster.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
So you're going to be a rooster like like oh,
like I have a cocky No, no, you're actually going
to be a human rooster, not the goblet googa version
with the red streak. How do you think Terry Taylor
around this time is feeling about being the red Rooster
because you're mentioning before it gives some some light to
people who really don't get that shine that often Red

(11:48):
Rooster is on the shows.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
But he is not. He's not the reason people are
buying tickets unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
I love you, Red Rooster, But where do you think
he mentally is feeling like how do I get out
of this gimmick?

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah? Or thinking like how did this happen to me?
It's kind of like it's well, it's like one of
those things where you know, be careful what you wish for. Oh,
I really want to get to the wwe I'll do
whatever I've got to do, and then you get handed
a gimmick like that, and which I don't think anybody
would argue that it was one of the worst ever.

(12:22):
The way it was handled to and he was made
it was, you know, like a joke. And if everybody,
if people know about Terry Taylor, I mean he was
really a great hand as they say he was. He
was a great performer and had done really well in
other places and territories and so uh yeah, I mean

(12:44):
that was one of those things that you know, you
had Dusty Rhodes who was able to take polka dots
and get him over. But I don't know how when
you've got to go around, you know, doing this gimmick mobot,
how do you ever get past that. It's you know,
people are laughing at you from yeah, that's your finishing move,
like you're gonna strut, you know like I I man,

(13:07):
I felt for him and I did and uh, you know,
all the encounters and every time time I worked with him,
he was a great guy. You could tell he had
a real good wrestling sense about him as he you know,
was did a lot uh before and beyond that, uh
you know, uh working for other organizations backstage. So it

(13:28):
is it's it's too bad because he was he was
a really good great He was great in the ring.
But I don't know how anybody would have overcome that.
And it makes you realize why Mark Callaway was, you know,
frightened to death that when he saw the you know,
the goblet Booker and he was coming in. Yeah that
that you know, people think that he was making a joke,

(13:50):
but I that was real anxiety because he's thinking, what
the I'm gonna get there and then it's gonna kill
me and I never recover. What do people this day
that you know that gimmick when you hear the name
Terry Taylor, what do you think of? And it's it's

(14:10):
too bad because there was so much more. There's so
much more to that guy and what he did in
the ring, and that forever stained him. You know, that
was definitely a rotten egg. I mean, there's no question
about it. But yeah, yeah, and he did his best.
But I don't know, there's not I don't think there

(14:32):
was a professional wrestler alive that could have done something
with that, especially the way it was presented.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Maybe as a kid, you could be interested in this.
Oh daddy, it's so funny. You were five, maybe four,
still still.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
In the womb.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Maybe I think you would like it, maybe because it's funny.
Because recently I was reading some comments people wrote to
us about our Survivors Serious nineteen ninety podcasts, and they
were like, me and.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
My friends hated to that's what they were staying in
the comments.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
They were young enough to just hate tugboat and thinking
to myself, Red Rooster, I think lands in the moment
of you're too much of the thing you're supposed to
be pretending to be.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
You're a human tugboat.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
You look like a person who their mother was a rooster,
their father was a human.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
They got together, they made you. That's what.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, the Red Rooster looks like to me and uh,
maybe too much, but honestly, I didn't really mind him
that much. Had a good run with the Bobby Heenon.
He was probably the Heating family for a little while
as a heel. So you know, well maybe.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
I know, but I don't know how you ever even
put that over as a baby face or a heel.
It just didn't. It was just the whole thing about
it just was so absurd and cartoonish. And you mentioned
you mentioned tugboat, you know, Fred doing tugboat, and that
was kind of cartoonish too. I think that was you know,
we were very family friendly then, and you know, the

(15:57):
whole thing with the horn and ktch love. Now that
was different then because he was could be kind of
this lovable character, but he was able to overcome that
be with the you know, when he became typhoon. I mean,
he became kind of this first this fierce uh you know,
wrestler again. And I think a lot of people kind

(16:20):
of were able to get past Hugbode, which I was
kind of astounding to be able to go from that
to you know beyond uh the same thing. No, never
did and I don't know forever anyone that have ever
ever really spoken fondly of that. But the point is,

(16:43):
like you see the the you know guys, I guess
you'd say recovering from gimmicks. I think in a sense
that you know, like with Barry Darco that you know,
I was watching watching some of the match with him,
and I just remember like how what a great, you know,
period that was for him in his career, because he
was he was really good at that. They they became

(17:03):
they they came really came off as this destruction machine
and then to go from there to you know, repo man.
And uh, you know, I remember that I know that
he had other gimmis where he was a golfer. They
had him like and uh knickers and and but I
think that if anybody remembers, you know, thinks of very Darsol,

(17:25):
you think of demolition, they got the demo pod, now
you know what I mean, that just shows you that,
you know, you get the you you thank God in
your career that that you are remembered for one for
a gimmick, and it's and it's for a good reason,
so true, you know, And that and that's the nature
of the business. You know. You just look at somebody

(17:46):
one of your Yes, that's another.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
How did how did the impersonator Elvis and get over?
But a man who's a rooster doesn't get over? Is
sometimes to me.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Well, I don't know between the two of those, because
how you know, Wayne, Dwayne pulled that one off tremendous. Yeah,
and and how you know there was a lot to
love about that character too, because uh, you know, everybody
loved Elvis and he was he was a bad Elvis
couldn't play the guitar.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Dare you Yeah?

Speaker 2 (18:22):
But uh, and he was a he was a tremendous heel.
Uh so as you know, like a chicken shit heel
as they say, and uh had a tremendous career with it.
So uh, you know it. They don't all have to
be uh you know, kind of self explainedanatory in a

(18:43):
sense that because a lot that you would think work
don't and then others that you know, it has to
be the right person and right gimmick and the two
of them have to work together. And a lot of
times you have no idea, you know, not very often
when you like we say with the Undertaker, that was
when you heard about it, you're like, oh, yeah, that's
gonna go, you know, but other ones, you never know,

(19:06):
guys have had tremendous gimmicks and blown it because they
just couldn't pull it off.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Well, this is this whole match too, if you look
at it, A Dusty Rhodes, the common Man, Bruce Beefcake,
he's a barber. He pulled that off. I thought Red Rooster,
he's a rooster. Tito Santana, I wouldn't really call.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
He doesn't have a gimmick yet. He's just he's not
the matador yet. He's currently still wearing Strike Force gear.
But then you have Big boss Man obviously police officer,
Bad News Brown, he raises possums in Harlem, Rick Martel,
he's a model in hockey talk man, he's an Elvant,
he's Elvis.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
So, you know, not a bad gimmick match. I think
everyone's bringing it to the table.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, but you look back down and you just named it.
Rattle these off. Can you imagine trying and have stuff
like that today and that you know that that the
way they the way we did it back then was
really it was pretty much it was over the top,
but it was a different focus. As I said that
you know, we were very much family oriented and and

(20:12):
a lot of that was for kids. You know, Hulkamania
was certainly built around these young Hulka maniacs, and so
it was a different time for sure. But you imagine
trying to pull some of those gimmicks off today, what
people would how they would be received.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, I don't think, you know what, I'll be honest,
out of this whole bunch, I think the honky talk
Man gimmick as Elvis would get over.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
People would just think it's funny to make TikTok stress
as Elvis lived.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
And I think the red rooster, honestly would be fine
because everyone would do again, I'll bring up doing the
strut just to make just to make videos of you
doing the strut. I think that would get over the rest.
I don't think so though.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
You couldn't make a career out of it.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
There's no way, no, no, no, no, no no. Dusty
Rhodess and Beefcake win the match. After the match, Big
Boss Man handcuffs Dusty roads beats a crap out of them,
and then Bruce comes in with his hedge clippers scissors
to save the day. Though after this, this is where
Sean Money pops up. I watched this event last night,
and you show up right there. You're not in your

(21:20):
usual position backstage blue lockers. You are at the curtain
where they just came out. They open the curtain.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
There you are.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Big Bossman shows up with Slick and you start asking
a questions.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
He yells at you. It's so funny. You're like, fuck,
Big Bossman, what do you think?

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Shut up?

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Oh my god, I'm so sorry. What was Ray Traylor
like working with? Like you have any great stories that
no one's heard? Because you told me a story about
like you and Texas Tornado in the warehouse talking to fans.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Do you have a Big boss Man store that no
one's heard?

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Because Big boss Man, honestly, I'll be one percent honest,
He's what got me into wrestling.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
I saw him on television as a kid. I saw
what is this?

Speaker 1 (21:58):
He's a police officer, He's beat people up, and that
who got me into wrestling.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
So for you, do you got any good Big boss
Man stories?

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Well? I don't have any like particular you know, incidents,
but I can just tell you about him as as
a person. You know, the he really you know, he
came off as this really really intense guy who you know,
totally sold that gimmick because he had experience. Uh and
and uh could be a total badass, but he was

(22:30):
one of the sweetest people, uh, one nicest guys in
the world. I loved working with, uh with Bubba as
we call them then, because he was just he was
just so good. I remember one time though that he
was he was uh swinging like we're doing you know,
he had that night stick and he was really good

(22:51):
with it, you know, the doing like that king ming
bing bing. And I remember one time that it just
got it was like a little bit off and he
smacked us himself in the elbow and you could tell
it like, uh, you know, you hit that funny bone
part of your arm and it kind of goes and
he had to do this promo and uh and he
you could like when he was doing it, and you
could kind of hear it was like uh you know,

(23:13):
like like hitting that bone, you could hear it. And uh,
he just keep kept going, but you could tell man
like almost like tears welling up in his eyes. Uh
that it was just yeah, I don't think he missed much,
but that was a real stick. Uh. He it wasn't
you know this rubber rubber stick that you know, sometimes

(23:33):
they bring these things out and they look very realistic,
but then they bend when they're not supposed to, really
when you hit somebody. And so he wouldn't go with that,
and that was that was the real deal. But he could,
you know, like he could swing that thing like numb chucks,
you know, put it back, you know, back and forth.
You'd see it many times and doing the interviews, but
that time he took a little shot. Man, I'm thinking

(23:59):
and uh, he was like after he was like but
I loved working with him though he was he was
really one of the nicest people ever. And uh, you know,
I was so happy for him that he was really

(24:19):
over uh and and and wherever they put him, you
know that he that he was baby faced. I think
he was a better heel and I'm and I'm sure
he would would agree with that. And loved doing loved
being the heel more than anything else. But uh, you know,
as far as you know, working with him and doing

(24:39):
interviews with him, and he was so good. He was
definitely he was one of my favorites. He really was.
I loved working with him.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
You're right about that though, that you could put that
guy anywhere, like there's a there's a list of people.
I think he's one of them, Hackstar, Jim Duncan's another,
Jake the Snake. It's probably another list, But those are
the guys. It didn't matter what storylines where you put them.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
They were over.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
It didn't matter if they were fighting the lowest guy
in the car or the top guy. When they came out,
people reacted and reacted and not like, oh, I guess
he's still popularly know that they were all in on
Cobb County, Georgia, Big boss Man, baby like that.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
And a couple and a couple other things about him
too is that when he got there, he struggled as
far as doing it cuting promos. He did and uh,
he really worked at it and got really good. But
initially there I remember, and it weren't too many times.

(25:38):
I've always said I can't I don't remember all these times.
I know there were a few, and especially when new
guys would come in where they would struggle and have
to do retake, retake, retake, and boss Man had trouble
initially because he wasn't used to doing a ton of them.
Especially with the intensity that we did them. And a
lot of times with these guys would get there and

(25:59):
they were used to having a stick man there with
them doing the interviews. Well all of these for the
events center, you were it was just you and so.
And if you have done that, then you would you
know what I'm talking about, when you've got somebody kind
of feeding you questions and then they kind of tell
when you're running out or you're losing your train of
thought and they can come in. But when you're doing

(26:20):
those promos and they would be you know, try it
sometime top of mind for a minute doing this, and
there's a lot of people can but it's not easy
and so a lot of these guys had to adjust
to that coming in. The Other thing about boss Man
is that I mean he was a really big guy
and and would go I'm close to three hundred maybe more,

(26:48):
and he could move. He was another one of those guys,
those big, big guys and really flexible. I think he
could do the splits. I mean, he was really could
do He could do a lot in the ring. I
mean just look at some of the things that he did.
And uh, I was always just amazed that you could
carry that much around and then still be able to

(27:11):
move in the ring, and you know, the three four
minutes and they're going all out, even blows you up.
So these guys had to be in decent shape to
do it. They knew how to pace themselves. But at
the same time, man, it was it was not easy,
and especially when they're when you're that big of a person,
that big of a human. Uh. And so I had

(27:34):
all kinds of respect for him because you know, always
where he was supposed to be, everything he needed to
do in the ring, and worked his ass off to
do good promos and a nice guy all the way around.
So he was definitely one of my favorites.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, he's one percent again one of my favorites too,
because again I said, he is the guy that got
me into professional wrestling.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
When you flick the when you.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Kids when used to just have a clicker and you
have to go through the TV like this, and you
would stumbled upon things and you're curious, what's this image
I see? And oh, it's a police officer beating people
up with.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
A billy club. Will count me in.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
I don't know if that says about me, but I
don't know if that says about me as a person,
But either way, it got me into the into the business,
and I still love it. And here we are talking
with Sean Mooney about Sarvice Arius nineteen eighty nine.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Who would think this would happen?

Speaker 2 (28:29):
But next up, though, well, Steve, before we move on, though,
and because you mentioned this that you know he was
one of your favorites. And I like to think that
when when people listen to this and they have favorites,
and at least I give my perspective on it, you know.
It's it's that it's that kind of thing when you know,
you meet a professional athlete and you know, you worship

(28:51):
them and just think that they've got to be the
greatest person in the world, you know. And I worked
with Major League Baseball for a number of years in
all kinds of Hall of famers working on shows there,
and I can't tell you how many times you'd meet
one of these guys who you grew up and uh,
you know, just admiring and everything, and they were just jerks,

(29:12):
you know, like I wish I wouldn't have met him,
you know. And so and and it's certainly true with
with wrestlers too, and so I hope that when when
I tell, at least from my perspective, the people that,
like you said, love the Big Boss Man, well you
should have because he was a good person too. And

(29:33):
uh and and and there weren't many, as we've discussed
over many of these shows we've done, there weren't. There
weren't a lot of people that were you know, you
didn't like working with or just weren't uh, you know,
but there were some that were. But for the majority,
like we're great people, but there were also that those
that just kind of stood above the rest.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
To me, so, well, I'm glad to hear that he
was actually a good person and not a piece of shit.
Like I'm guessing half the people are on this card. A.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
All right, that's too much.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
That's what you said. I'm just repeating what you said.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
We said a majority of them were good people. There
were people, There were those.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
And fifty of them fifty one.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
We'll make a shoot something, we'll.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Do it, excel and get it out. Who's a piece
of shit? Who's not a piece of sh I like it?
I like it. Next up, it's the King's I can see.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Your Sean Mooney tells who's a piece of ship? Who
is it?

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Hold on, well, I see a lot. Let me tell
you something.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I stop when I see you do interviews, and then
I see the titles of in those interviews.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
He does he know what they wrote the.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Headline Ultimate is a piece of ship. That's what Sean
Mooney said. And then it's like, oh did he And
then you look at it. I don't think he said that,
but oh, okay, whatever. That's the Internet. Moving on King's Court.
It's Randy Savage, Macho King, the Canadian Earthquake. He's not
earthquake yet, he's still from Canada. Dino Bravo and Greg

(31:09):
de Hammery Valentine with Jimmy Hart and Queen Sherry.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
They defeat the four by Fours.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
It's Jim Duggan, It's Brett Hart, it's Ronnie Garvin, it's Hercules.
My favorite thing about this match, before we get into
the controversy around it, is before this they get interviewed
the four by four as that is, and all they
all have two by fours each one of the members.
Brett Hart has one, Ronnie Garvin. I think that's just fun,
like we're a team, and they even lead after the
interview goes holding the two by fours. It's just a

(31:37):
nice touch of a teamwork. I don't know, I like
that little spice on top for them. But the Canadian
earthquake not originally on the card. It's supposed to be
the widow Maker Barry Windham. Now we have talked about
Wrestless coming over from other companies, Rick Flair, a Tornado
legion of Doom, Dusty Rhodes, Barry Wyndham. When you're in

(31:59):
the company, you hear Barry Wyndam's coming. What are your
thoughts and what's the thought I guess of the locker
room in the backstage feeling. Because Barry Wyndham at this
time very established in NW, a big time talent.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
So what was it like him for him coming in?

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Oh man, very excited people were you know, he had
a reputation of being being great, I mean, and all
you had to do was see him in action. But
also one of those guys that had a lot of
you know, charisma, I mean, I mean, he had an
air about him. So I think that you know, they

(32:35):
that was a good get, as they say, and especially
you know, anytime they could pilfer from an organization like that,
it was a It was a big win for Vince.
So yeah, people were very excited about her having Arry Windham,
especially the legacy you know that that went with him.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
And then the widow maker gimmick. Obviously, you know, he's
killing men, so does Steve Rhodes came in. He was
already the common man, but he's wearing Polka dots. Road
warriors can't come in like that because Vince wants to
own the IP legion of Doom Texas Tornado carry Von Eric,
you know, so on and so forth.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Why do you think, like, what's the widow maker?

Speaker 1 (33:15):
We're talking about Red Rooster earlier, we're talking about police
officers gimmicks, the widow maker. Do you think that was
the right choice or maybe we could have done something else?

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Possibly?

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Well, I felt and they didn't really do this because
you had to have a gimmick, But he was one
of those guys that didn't need one, at least the
way I felt. And so and and it's kind and
it's kind of a weird thing, Like you said, a
widow maker, But you think of a widow maker, it's
like a woman.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
You know, are you a spider maybe?

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, yes, so like a black widow or something, you know,
I don't know it was, But then you think about
it bigger, a little deeper. There, you know, this guy's
ending men's lives and making women widows. I guess rights, yes,
that's what I'm getting, Okay, So then where do you
go with it? Like? What do you do? You have

(34:10):
kind of an undertaker theme to it. I don't know.
I think it sounded good, but I just always felt like,
where do you go with this?

Speaker 3 (34:19):
True?

Speaker 1 (34:19):
If you like, you're you're pussy, you're not killing anybody,
you know, you're yelling at someone for not even killing somebody.
But yeah, he was only there for a little bit too,
which is strange because he comes in in eighty nine,
you know.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Late eighty nine.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
He's out in October of eighty nine. Now this is
the story, let's talk about it. He quietly quits the WWF.
He was undefeated for months again, originally supposed to be
on the Macho Kings team here, but apparently serious legal
issues involved his father, Blackjack Mulligan, his brother Kendall, and
they have they've been counterfeiting money five hundred thousand dollars

(34:55):
in bogus twenties, and they both go to jail for
two years. Now, I do have a quote from Jaco
Snicker Roberts here. He said, this is about Barry Wyndham's father.
His dad and his brother were deeply in it. I'm
sure he was having a hard time on the road
dealing with that. It's a damn shame because Barry was
such a great talent. Now, Noah, do you know this.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Is gonna be like kind of like what's going to
side Barry's brain?

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Do you think Barry left because of what was happening
with his family, because everyone in his family has baggage sometimes,
or do you feel like he left because he realized
this is not going the way I wanted to And
if I keep going as this widow maker character barely
making big television matches, I might have my value go down.
So when I leave here to go say to the
NWA again, am I gonna be worth the money?

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Well? I think there was a lot going on then,
and I certainly wasn't in Barry Wyndham's mind. But you
just have to look at the circumstances that were happening
with this whole situation with his father and his brother.
May I imagine that and I think, you know, I've
seen I saw an interview with him. I think he
was saying that, you know that his his I think

(36:05):
his parents were living with him at the time when
all this went down, and then of course his brother
was working. So uh he he says, you know, thank
god that I wasn't home at the time that this
bust happened, that this all happened. He was on the
road with the WWF, and but that didn't, as he says,

(36:31):
didn't really take the suspicion away from him. And he
says that, you know, like for the next decade, he
was hounded by the I R S and the FBI
and and was audited every every single year because they
didn't want to want to know if there was some
kind of connection with his money. So I can imagine

(36:52):
living with that. You've got to you know, your father
is and your brother are going to go to prison.
You're implicated just through association, and that would make it
awfully difficult. But at the same time, you know, you've
got to earn a living, So I don't you know,
I don't know if it came down to Vince saying,

(37:15):
you know, there's just too much heat on you and
it's not you know, it's not good as far as
the way this connect. You know, it's it's out there,
it was very public or whether the you know, the
anxiety of it it just got to him. I don't know,
but I can't imagine that that that situation was was

(37:36):
was easy to live with and then you know, try
and work and perform at the same time when you've
got people to take care of. So I just I
really felt for him because that was you know, I
think he could have done really, really well. As Jake said,
he was such a great talent, and then to have
something like that happen, you know, forever scarred him. I'm sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
As a fan though, watching it on television, it was
so bizarre because you're seeing this guy, he's being established
on Superstars and Wrestling Challenge and they even you know,
if you have the old magazines, he's in them in
the pictures with because they would previews Savivor series months
in advance because they know obviously they right the card
away in advance. And you have pictures of Barry wyndhaman
all the King Court photos. It just sucks that like

(38:24):
he didn't keep I don't know, maybe his family screwed up.
Maybe he didn't feel like he was going in the
right direction. Either way, you know, good for him not
getting involved with that shit, because that's a lot of money.
Five hundred thousand dollars in bogus twenties. I wouln't even
know where to begin to think of how do I
how do I make fake money or how do I
get bogus money? I wouldn't even know where to begin there. So,

(38:47):
but he's not on the card. So when you watch
the opening of this Cybus series and Vince Man says earthquake,
it's out of nowhere because he had to record the
intro for a Survivors series by just yelling earthquakes weird stuff.
I love this match though, but at the same time,
Rinney Savage, the Candian Earthquake, Anddino Bravo.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
All win in here.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
I do want to talk about it because we'll probably
never do a whole episode about him. Rugged Ronnie Garvin
going from a retirement match with Greg Valentine to being
a referee to being a timekeeper to being a ring
announcer always for Greg the Hammer Valentine matches. I'll be honest,
I think it's hilarious that Jack Tunney allowed this shit
to happen. What were your thoughts on Rugged Ronnie and

(39:33):
Greg Valentine star line.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah, no, I think it. I think it was you know,
it was a good matchup, but it was kind of
it was it was a mid card matchup all the time.
It was never it never was to a level where
you would write and it's a shame because Ronnie Garvin was,
you know, huge. I mean, he was a headliner prior

(39:58):
to his his stint in the in the w w
E and just never happened for him. He was from
the time he got there, you know, the thing with
a towel that he would come. That's like all I
really remember. And it's a shame because I know, you know,
and I've looked on back and looked at different matches

(40:19):
that that he hadn't had been involved in before, and
that that was another situation. I think that not necessarily
booking him correctly for something, you know, maybe that he
could have had better runs. Really, like you said, all
you really remember are those runs with Valentine. Well, yeah,
he had other matches too, but then it got to

(40:41):
the point where he was just doing jobs, and you
know it was you knew that it wasn't going to happen,
and that's that's a real shame. The other part of
it is that just some guys that just didn't work
for the WWF. It just didn't for whatever reason. We
can go on and on, but they just weren't right
for that audience. And uh not that he was bad

(41:05):
or had bad matches or I mean, he was still
as as good as he ever was in the ring,
but you never felt that that that pop. You never
felt that it was it was surging or or you know,
but like you said the Valentine with they worked well together,
it was it was a it was a good run,

(41:25):
but just never really happened for him, and it's unfortunate
because he was great.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Years later, when Rainey Orton started doing the Orton stomp,
I guess they call it now, but when he started
doing it, I immediately jumped out of my seat and pointed.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Oh, it's a rugget. He's doing the stop rugg R.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
So I remember him doing that stomp because it's so funny,
just not funny, but it's so intense to watch someone
go around you stomp on your arm stomp on your elbow,
stomp on your stomache, stomp on your knee, go around
you and you have to you're selling oh oh.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Oh oh, And I love it.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yeah, I honestly love Rugged Rugged Ronnie Garvin for that.
But you're right, he's only remembered for that storyline. But
I think they should have fired Jack Tunny for constantly
putting rugged Ronnie Garvin in situations that he's involved with
Greg Valentine, timekeeper, special guest referee announcer Jack Tunney, Dude,
come on, man, like, can you look at the books
and go who's wrestling and who's not. I'm disappointed in Jack.

(42:23):
I'm just I'm sorry about that. I'm just disappointed in
Jack about that.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
But I don't really think Jack had anything to do
with it.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Yeah, he's the one putting the matches together.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Mooney, Okay, the.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Hell is my wrestling buddy? It ain't to hug something?

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Yeah, dare you?

Speaker 3 (42:39):
How dare you even suggest that is not the case?
You're so mean?

Speaker 2 (42:44):
He was just a mere figurehead, how dare me? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (42:48):
He's that, He had real he had real power. How
dare you? One thing?

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Though?

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Heading to this matchup Bret Hart is injured.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Now, if you watch Berthardt's documentary, he talks about this
less than a month before, so ibviously he's fighting Dino Bravo.
He gets and he's walking the apron on the outside,
you know, hits him so hard he flies.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
He's done this a million times, he.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Said, and he usually does the neck on the guard
rail and falls over, pretends he's choking instead, he lands,
he fractures his ribs. Sternham, he's got a bruised heart
and he wristles. We've talked about before, Bret hart Man,
this guy was dedicated. You're talking about someone who you hired.
He would do anything for you. And what do you

(43:31):
think about Berhart's dedication to Vincent Mann and the WWF
around this time?

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Dude, the dude is hurt. And I get it.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
If you don't get paid, you'd wrestle it you don't
get paid. But Jesus man, you don't have one injury,
you have like seven.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Well, it was also Steve a code amongst them that
you're an iron man. I think that a lot of
that had to do with that. People would you know, no,
because these guys knew what getting hurt? What's all about
and when they would see a warrior in a sense
not talking the ultimate about a guy that would just
no matter what, always delivered and always answered the call.

(44:07):
And and Brett was one of those guys. And he
and he wore that as a badge of honor. But
he was he was he was seriously hurt. And you
know we've said it before, but you know, people, if
you think what these guys do is uh, of course
it's was scripted or whatever you want to say, but

(44:28):
they were taking more punishment than NFL players and they
only had to do The NFL players only had to
do it for once a week for uh, you know,
a very short period of time. These guys did it
every freaking night, and so you know, you play hurt,
they did, but that was a serious injury and the

(44:48):
fact that Brett even worked was was pretty amazing. So
a real testament to him. But but need to give
credit to all the other guys that played hurt and
got back in that ring the next night, which you know,
there are a lot of times you'd see these guys
they literally basically like crawl into the arena or to

(45:10):
work that night, and by the time they got in
the ring, you couldn't tell. I mean, they just put
it together for whatever they had to do and then
would crawl back to the locker room. So you know,
ultimate respect for anybody who has the guts to step
on the other side of those ropes. True.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Good point. Good point.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
It's just so crazy that over the time here we've
been talking about Brett Hart always. The last time we
talked Sarvicerias nineteen ninety his brother died the day before,
and then he still wrestles like this is Jesus Man.
Servers series is not kind to Brett Hart. Flash forward
to Montreal and this sarv Saris though, has a moment

(45:52):
where my mind jumped out for a second because we
have a debut. It's Shane Stevens. It's Shane McMahon, a
young Knight, nineteen year old. Jane McMahon is a referee
on the outside a scoring wrestlers after they've been eliminated.
When did you first meet Shane McMahon?

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Oh? When uh, Shane, when I first got there? I uh,
he was still in high school, excuse me? And uh
used to come to the studio all the time, so
did Stephanie. They were just two kids and Uh, you
know you could tell then that they had some special

(46:32):
gifts and we saw them later. Shane, My god, Uh,
I still look at some of the stuff that he
did and I'm just blown away. And that's a whole
other show to talk about his motivations for being willing
to you know, be three stories up and toss his
body onto a table. So but to Vince's credit, and uh,

(47:00):
at that time when Shane had I don't see what
it would have been. So he was pretty young then,
but his his you know, his dad wanted him to
learn the business. And by learning the business, he had
him learn it from the ground up. And that meant that,

(47:23):
you know, he would spend his summers with the ring
crew where he would go and do everything that those
guys did, you know, sleeping on buses and doing setting
up the ring every day, because he wanted him to
understand every aspect of what went into running that company.
Whether or not Vince at the time had the idea

(47:45):
that it was Shane who was going to take over,
I don't know, but I think he just and he
wanted to, you know, really appreciate the business for all
the things, the great fortune that he had in his life,
and so to his credit, and you know, Shane did it,
and you could just tell that the way the guys

(48:09):
treated him, it wasn't you know, the necessarily I mean,
of course he was the boss's son. But I think
that you know that Shane was pretty humble. He didn't
act like I'm privileged, He didn't pull the daddy card,
and so they you could see, like had genuine friendships

(48:29):
with these guys. So I had a lot of respect
for him doing that. That he would go and it
wasn't an easy easy time. Those guys didn't have great accommodations,
and he that's the way he learned it. And then
of course then he went in and he worked at
the Tower and and they did the same. Same with Stephanie.

(48:51):
Stephan didn't do rin crew. I've never heard about that,
but she learned the business as well. At some point
I think that Vince probably looked at Stephaniel like she's me.
I mean, it's a lot of there's a lot. I
think there's a lot more Stephanie, a lot more vincent
Stephanie than than in than in Shamee and uh and

(49:14):
and they also inherited a great from a great deal
from their mom who had You know, I loved of
Linda McMahon. She was she was the one that I
would sit across from the desk from when it came
down time to talk about, you know, about a contract.
But she was really a driving force. She was not

(49:34):
She was Vince McMahon's wife. She was helping to run
that company. And uh so, uh, you know, they were
quite a team. And and as far as the kids go,
they wanted them to. I'm sure they knew that, they
envisioned that at some point they were going to be
working for this company, and they wanted them not only
to appreciate it, but to see it from the ground

(49:55):
up on how it all works. And that was a
situation like where they had Shange. Shane was the escort
referee or whatever the heck. He was Shane Stevens that day.
But it was all part of it was all part
of the process of him learning the business.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Now here's the bigger question for you.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Are you surprised that Shane McMahon is no longer So
this is twenty twenty five as we record this, Are
you surprised that Shane McMahon is not involved with the
wrestling business Stephanie, I guess sort of is still not
as much as she once was. You know, her husband
Triple Age obviously as we talk, is running creative, running
the company. Are you surprised that Shane McMahon is just

(50:37):
not involved at all anymore?

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Yeah? Absolutely that I mean I think that you know,
Shane wanted to make his own path. He wanted to
blaze his own trail, and early on he wanted to
get into other businesses, you know, tried to have his dad.
I mean, I think at one point, you know, he

(51:00):
was trying to talk Vincent to buying the UFC. There
was a there was a point where where you know,
it was you talk about a bargain basement prices. Then
if they would have that, that probably would have changed
his legacy. Ben blows that you do it outside the business.
It was successful, but who knows what they would have
done with it, you know, not what Dana White has

(51:23):
done with it, but who knows. That's just out there.
But I think that you know, Shane really wanted to
uh be his own and there are a lot a
lot of issues that I am no psychologists, but there
is a lot going on between father and son, uh
and I think that it's not surprising that you want

(51:48):
to you want the approval of your dad. And I
think forever that's what Shane has pursued. He and and
you know, uh I saw it firsthand back then wherever
that you know, like Vince wasn't that guy who would
necessarily be passing out the compliments. That's kind of an easy,

(52:13):
crazy way to put it, you know, where you just
want that, you want that reinforcement that I'm doing okay
or whatever. And I don't think that, you know, it
was always just this I want to be a part
of the you know, I want him to approve of me.
I want him to you know, not just be elevated
in the company. He wanted to prove it to him
that and I think that that a lot of the

(52:34):
stuff that he did early on in the Ring of
Stuff was to show him, you know, I can do
this stuff you and you know, Vince always wanted to
be in the ring. His father wouldn't let him, and uh,
you know we've seen it. I mean he certainly got
did it later. But this crazy stuff that Shane did,

(52:56):
I remember watching like somebody stop him. I mean, he
could have been that stable with the angle with with
Kurt angle and and throwing him through the window. And
you've heard that story where they they were supposed to
gimmick the window that he's going to throw him through,
and they did it where it was a wrong panel
or something. And he throws him through that thing like

(53:16):
three times and he lands on his head in his
neck before it finally crashes. And I've heard, you know,
heard that the you know backstage people like you know,
make make him stop, tell him no, but or the
other stuff of him climbing up and you've seen it
where he just you know, falls like I don't know

(53:36):
how many v y but that's death defying. And he
did it again and again, and certainly not only you know,
proved himself to the boys, which I think is another
part of it, to show him I'm not just I
wasn't I'm not just daddy's boy. Uh you know, I'm
I'm I can do everything you guys can do and beyond.

(53:58):
So a lot happening happening there with Shane. I always
really liked Shane, I thought, and I haven't seen him
in a very long time. I did get a chance
to see Stephanie one at WrestleMania but I haven't seen Shane,
but always just thought he was a great Uh, loved him,
got along with him really well, and everybody that I

(54:19):
know that worked with him loved him. And I think
that it was just a it's a it was a
search for him and I think probably it continues to
this day that he wanted he wanted to get his
find his own thing. He wanted to find his own
success and uh, you know, at some point maybe he
will there maybe there will be something that he finds

(54:41):
and uh and it and it will be uh you know,
I've heard you hear so many different things that he
was maybe involved that he doesn't w he's going to
do this. He's going to do that he gets but uh,
you know, and he certainly didn't have to. He could
have just been a rich kid and that's just not
his part of his DNA. Of course.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Yeah, I always see mc mahon.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
The character was always entertaining, especially during the Attitude era
and later on.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
And it was always surprising to me that Stephanie Great
Pete Guests and Joey Ebbs and Rodney mc come on.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Those were true the true buds from from Greenwich. That
that was that which just was a natural. It just
uh you talk about organic, Yeah, it was those those
guys were for reals.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Shane Stevens though, Shane Stevens, God, damn it, give him
my name.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Don't give him McMahon, give him Stevens. Yeah, you know,
no that I I do.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
I was very surprised as we talked Shane McMahon and Stephanie.
I'm not like the the figure has because before that,
you know, you had Vic Vince Sr.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
And it just you thought it would be a family business.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
But obviously in today's world it's corporations buy up other companies.
Let's move on, though, because as a match I really
want to talk about it's the whole Comaniacs was the
million dollar team.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
You got Hule Cogan.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
If this is like the perfect thing for a child,
you have Hull Cogan, you have Jake to Snake Roberts,
and you have Demolition on one team. Dude, that's it's
a dream versus million dollar man zeusy because we are
involved with the No Holds Barred movie at this time
and Powers of Pain.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Now, there's so many questions about this match.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
The first one I want to ask you, though, is
I've interviewed Jake the snake before, and he mentioned this.
So Jake has a snake obviously, he usually comes out
with it and he holds it in the sky and
he puts it on someone and everyone goes crazy. What
a pop the snake pop? That's Jake's in this scenario, though,
there's a discussion about bringing in a bigger snake, like

(56:42):
a like some huge monstrosity that demolition, Hogan and Jake
can all hold together come down to the ring holding
this giant snake holding the sky, and things got out
of hand. The snake wrangler realizes that you can't just
give a snake this large to all these strong men,
but a twenty thousand person arena.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
What if it gets loose?

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Let's talk about that scenereo. Did you hear about this
giant snake idea? And if what was a good idea
or not?

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Yeah? I think on paper it probably sounded pretty good.
We'll just get a little bigger snake that four guys
can handle. How tough can it be? There are these strong,
you know, beasts And as Jake tells that story that
what really set him off was that it was going
to be the Hulkster who was going to be in

(57:32):
front holding this python's head and then he was going
to be part of this train that would bring this
thing out. And as Jake tells the story that you know,
if that happens, then I'm I'm the snake guy. It's
that's my gimmick. And if we come out and the
haulkster can handle this thing and we're just kind of

(57:54):
behind find him, then what do I do? Like anybody
can do this in the w w F. And so
Jake's you know, thinking there's this can't happen. It'll it'll
hurt me. So he like, what can we do? Well,
Vince had said, I want the biggest, nastiest pythone you

(58:16):
can get your hands on, you know, and h and
so he he speaks with the handler and h if
people have heard before, you know, there was a guy
that was the the critter handler. But what he did
with the snakes he handled, He had the snakes and
he would bring these to the arena for for Jake

(58:36):
and check up on whatever the snake that he had
taken on the road was doing and switch them out.
And a different Damien and he'd gotten on the phone,
had gotten on the phone with him and said, Hey,
this is what they want to do. And the guys
like they can't do that, and Jake's like, I know,
what are we going to do? And he says, you know,
Vince wants this giant snake. And the guy goes, oh,

(58:57):
he goes, that's what we'll do. He's like what he goes, Oh,
I've got I got the snake, and so Jake's like,
all right. So the story goes, they they bring this
crate to the arena and Jake said, you know it's
it's five by five feet the crate, and you could

(59:18):
so they they got they want to do a rehearsal
where these guys, you know, to see how they're going
to be able to carry this snake out. And so
you know, they literally have to, you know, like take
the bolts out of this thing to to take the
lid off. And as Jake tells the story, the thing
that when they get the thing loose, it doesn't just
they don't just open it. Let the the lid blows off.

(59:42):
The snake comes out and it's twenty seven feet long
and the head is bigger than Jake's head. He says,
and they and and you know, and all the guys
are standing there, you know, demolition, the Hulkster and and
Jake and and uh, the the the handler gets you know,

(01:00:06):
usually they you know you're gonna hold the steak. Is
like this. He says that the trainer guy has got
the snake in the headlock and the thing picks him
up and slams him on the ground, and the guys
ran for their lives. He said, this thing was gigant.
I mean it was a giant serpent. And uh. Then
then they you know, try and get it to get
it back in the into the box, and the thing

(01:00:29):
takes a dump. Now I can tell you personally that
because the other other snakes had defecated before at an arena.
It is the ugh like throw up in your mouth.
I mean like just disgusting. It's not it's not like horsepoop.
It's not like it's like nothing you've ever experienced. And

(01:00:51):
and as Jake would say, you know that stuff would
if you got on you. It stayed on you for days.
And he said it took like and it was a
giant snake. So you can imagine how much python poop
there was. Uh, and just and so you know, the
guys have scattered there. The thing ship all over the
place and then they get the thing back in the
box and they put it was like, no more snake,

(01:01:16):
that's not and so yeah, uh they Jake goes and
gets the other Damien as you saw that that's out
in the ring and he's you know, hitting that thing
trying to get it to uh get a little nasty.
But you know, Jake solved the problem and he was

(01:01:40):
forever the only one that would handle the python. But
that's a great story. Uh you know, Lord and I
remember the commotion, my gun. It was it was Steve.
I mean it was right out of the you know
sci fi movie. That snake was gigantic, gigantic. You've seen
you know videos where they you know, pythons in.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
The wild and they anacondas you know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
This was really, Yes, absolutely, that's why this thing was.
I mean really the the body on that thing was. Yeah,
everybody was very happy when they got thing that thing
back in there and bolted in and get that thing
to f out of here. Those things they always gave
me the creeps. Anyway, I didn't want to go I
never wanted to go there. I don't like snakes. That

(01:02:25):
was so but that was that was wild.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Wow, that's a great story and six millet see the
version like when Jake talks about it, when at least
with me, he was just like, yeap, Hogan.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Wan to hold a snake.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
So I got this giant snake and we gave him,
kind of gave Holgan the head like all here you go,
you hold it, and I was like, this thing is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Pythons.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
I think it's gonna eat me, saying my presence of
my vitamins is not going to save me from this snake.
But yeah, that Jaco seems to always have. As we've
known before in the past, you know, Jake and Hogan
didn't want one hundred percent get along because just you know,
when someone's a top dog, don't you also want to
be the top dog.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
And it's hard to do that when you have the
guy is you know, oh Cogan especially.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
You gotta protect your gimmick. Yeah, okay, you know Hulk's
got enough. He's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Helmet with the fist on that again, you know, yeah,
oh boy, that was a fun That was a fun
little gimmick.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
And we've talked about it nauseum before though, but you always.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Think though, like with the helmet, you would have felt
like he would have said to somebody, does this looks stupid? Toilet?

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
You look right, you look right. Kids are gonna go
to school wearing these helmets?

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Firsts put an on it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Oh god, so how many do we selvansh not. I
bought them up lear at my house. I'm wearing them.
That's so freaking funny. We are in the heart of
No Holds Bard though.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
In this time and after this match, they do a
backstage moment where it's Hogan and Beefcake getting interviewed. But
you get to interview the Macho King and Zeus because
you're promoting you know, match movie and you can buy
it on pay per review.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
We get to watch the match and the movie No
Holds bar.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
It's gonna be a steel case match between Macho King
Zeus versus Hogan in Beefcake.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Now you're interviewing Macho King in Zeus.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Now I have probably ask these questions all the time.
The sounds stupid. Is this live when you're asking them questions?
Or is this pre taped after the matches Becausezoos looks
a little sweaty.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
No, it was after. Yeah, it was live. I said.
Anytime you see one of those where it's postmatch. Uh,
it's it's pretty much you know, it's live because uh,
there's no other way to do it. You got to
capture them where they you know, look in the same
You can't have them completely, you know, like I said,
you'd have issues with any kind of wardrobe they were

(01:05:05):
wearing or or you know, it's got to be sweaty.
It's got to be if they have paint, forget it.
So yeah, right right right. You know, tiny was was
a little bit limited as far as conversation. Uh, though
it was very it was in a sense mostly scripted
for sure, especially when we're doing it that way. And

(01:05:25):
then of course you've got Randy that you know, no
matter what happens, it's going to be fine. He was.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
He was incredible the way he He's just in full
macho king gimmick at this time, and he's made evading
a lot of big matches, a lot of paper reviews.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Against Hogan with Hogan when the Powers were together.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
But another big thing in this matchup is this combo
we keep seeing all the time, and the story is
always brought up. Was Legion to Doom a ripoff of Demolition.
Well I talked to Warlord once and he pretty much
admitted no, I think Powers of Pain was a ripoff,
not a ripoff, a version of Legion of Doom that
Vince wanted. Where do you land on that? Who is

(01:06:06):
the version that Vince wanted to be Legion of Doom?
Is it Demolition or is it Powers of Pain?

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Well, I think you've got you know, a combination there
and and we you know, you need to be clear
that uh, you know, Lesion of Doom. But it was
really all about the warriors because he wanted that's you know,
and and and it took him a while to get
them there, and Demolition was definitely, uh a version of

(01:06:37):
that that I think they made it their own. Demolition
I think was uh was separate, uh from who they are,
but that was that was in response to not being
able to have the Legion of Doom or road Warriors
in the in the w W E. And and also

(01:07:00):
Powers of Pain were also you know, I mean there
were all these similarities that so they they were part
of that too. I mean, you know it was uh
you look at them like the Warlord, come on, you know,
that's definitely very hawkish, uh you know, so uh, yeah,
it was a combination. But you and answer to your

(01:07:22):
question of the real the real version was the original
version that they came up with was demolition.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Okay, yeah, because I've always I always I always wondered
because it seems like each person has a different perspective
on who was supposed to the World Warriors version in.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
The WUT to be a win win Yeah, yeah, yeah,
But that turned out to be a win win because
it wasn't like when when H L O D, when
they those guys arrived, Joe and Mike arrived, that we like,
oh gee, we have two of the same tag team
a demolition and and uh you know l O l

(01:07:58):
O D. We're still you know, stand alone. They could
on their own. So it turned out to be a
win win that demolition was still very popular and it
was a great you know, rivalry to have. So it
all worked out. So it's it's good the way that
started because then ww he had their very own version

(01:08:20):
and and they love that as far as merchandising goes
and and licensing, so there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Yeah, the foam pads with the spikes, you know you
buy those at the arenas whatever. Those are pretty cool
for at least you new Doom fans, Yeah, ilways wanted
to wanted to know your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
On the arenas. Yeah, oh oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
They were They were everywhere. You could not escape those.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
But Hull Cogan is a soul survivor here, but he's
not the main event of Survivor series. This is kind
of the beginning of getting Warrior ready to be the
guy in nineteen ninety. So what do you know if
Hogan was upset about this or he just just gets
to go home early. I guess I'm trying to say.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Well, I think that, you know, hul ket a lot
going on anyway. I don't know if he thought that,
you know, this was going to continue for as far
as his career, a main part of his career. I
don't know if you ever thought I'll ever really leave it.
But I think that that he was, you know, hoping

(01:09:25):
that he would turn this into what The Rock did
in a sense where that's his main you know, he
was main income was going to be in Hollywood. So
the fact that he was still you know, part of
that whole mix and basically could come in and out
whenever he wanted to because they needed him. I don't

(01:09:48):
think at the time he had like a major problem
with it, especially since the kind of event it was
and when all was said and done, who was standing
in the ring when it was all over.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Yeah, there's just so much happening in this matter.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
It just seems like so even because usually when you
see some of these matches, you look at me like, Eh,
these guys could probably beat those guys. But when you
think of Zeus Million Dollar Man, How's the Paint versus
Acts Smashed Jake and Hogan, You're finally seeing an even
match of evil guys taking of an evil even match
of these good guys, which I think is pretty interesting
to see. But next up, though, it's Rowdy's Roddy's say

(01:10:23):
That three times Fast versus versus Rick Rud's Team. Yeah,
Rick Rud mister Perfect in the Fabulous Rougeos versus Rodney Piper,
Jimmy Snook in the Bushwhackers.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
I like the way they put these teams together. Like
I said, we've got a roster of what do we have,
like sixty plus? Then it's difficult to give everybody a
little shine, and so I always love these events that
they would be able to do that because everybody got
in there and you said, everybody had their favorites. You know,
That's what that was really cool about that period of

(01:10:59):
time is that they really you know, they really did everybody.
Uh they that we would have these events where the
Superstar roster you got to see everybody and uh and
it also gave him a chance to you know, to
see if somebody, if they weren't noticing something about these guys,

(01:11:20):
that they would get a chance to be out there.
So uh yeah, And as we mentioned at the top
of this that it was a lot of fun because
you know, it was clever. A lot of those names,
as you mentioned, were really clever. So uh yeah, I
loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
I like the backstage promo before this matchup took's Ronny
Piper with the Bushwackers with Jamie Snooker and they're all
eating turkey carcasses because we are celebrating Thanksgiving. So it's
just fun to see everyone getting into the full spirits
of Thanksgiving here, full spirits.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
I was.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
I was enjoyed that there's really nothing to talk about
this match.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
Mister Perfect is the sole survivor here and that's uh,
you know, no big stories coming out of that matchup
at all, So you know, good for mister perfect. He
was perfect that day. He did say before the show
started what he was thankful for was for being perfect.
So he did it here all right? Main event time,
it's supposed to be the Ultimate Warriors versus the Heaton Family.

(01:12:17):
It's Ultimate Warrior Jim Knightheart and the Rocker is taking
on Arne, a giant haku.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Aren't Anderson and Tully Blanchard. Tully Blanchard's not here.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Bobby Headen takes his place, And the big story out
of this is why is Tully Blanchard not here?

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
We never discussed this before on the show. We talked
about other people coming into the company, the Brainbusters. What
were your thoughts on arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard, a
half of the Four Horsemen coming into the Wwe was
this sort of thing to like take down the Four
Horsemen's momentum?

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Maybe? Well, I think, yeah, that's certainly. You know, anytime
Vince loved being a disruptor, so and anytime you could
score somebody that was, you know, a very influential uh
in a in another organization, Vince was going to jump
at that chance. And of course they were both known
to be really, really good performers. So yeah, it was.

(01:13:10):
It was a coup. You know. The one thing though, is,
and we talked about this before you mentioned you think
Hulk was you know, a little put out there, and
this match to me didn't have a main event feel
to me other than you know, the Warrior or something.
But it justin and I don't want to you know,
I'm not taking away from the other guys that were

(01:13:30):
involved in this, but if you look at that match
with with Hulk and ted Uh, to me at that
there was you know a lot of stupid things happened
in it, you know, with the you know, the roughing
up the ref and he and Zeus gets eliminated and
all the But I'm just saying as far as the
marquee goes, all right, that said, and we're talking about

(01:13:55):
the Brainbusters, and they weren't at that point and I
and really never got the chance to but really to
get over as far as you know, they didn't meet
anywhere near the success that they had had and where

(01:14:17):
they came from. So, like I said, it just didn't
feel to me like a main event. And then the
fact that that Tully gets booted kind of watered it
down even more and Bobby is slated as the fourth
member of the team. Now before we get into that,

(01:14:38):
and you know, just like what the heck folks, And
I'm sure there's a lot of you out there that
know this, but Bobby Heenan could work. That guy with
what you know, took thousands of bumps during his career
and he was really good at it. He had that

(01:14:59):
one move where you go up over and slide up
into the top rope and you know and flip over. Uh.
At his age and not in great shape, you know,
he had the belly and and but my you know,
he would go in there and man, he would take
He always he always took some serious bumps. So uh,

(01:15:19):
we need to say that because I just had a
lot of respect for Bobby and the fact that, you know,
when he had the the weasel suit and the stuff
that he did with that, uh and and took stuff
from the Warrior and uh, I mean wow. So that said,
but the fact that that Tully wasn't there and that

(01:15:42):
Bobby had to step in took something away from it too.
So yeah, you know, he pins Marty Jeannetti after the
you know, with an easy pin because the guy softened
the up, but it just just didn't have that feel
to me, and it it was made worse by the
fact that, you know, suddenly Tully's gone.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Yeah, yeah, Tully Blanchard failed a drug test, testing positive
for cocaine, so vincec Man suspended him and then fired
him before the pay per view.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
But you're right, Bobby, he didn't took his spot that night.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
And I do agree with you this does not have
a main event feel because in the past few matches
you've had very established mid card wrestlers Jim the Avil
Nightheart and nothing against him. He's one half of a
tag team and now he's kind of out here by himself.
To me, that was not the version of like Jake's
with Hogan, you know, Beefcakes with with Dusty. Yeah you

(01:16:41):
have you know, you have Hacksaw carrying the load by
himself on that team, Like there's a few people carrying
the load, but a lot of these guys are established.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
But he does fail. Telly Blanchevett is his test. He's out.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
He wants to go back to WCW now, which is
NWA him and Anderson, We're to go back there. Anyways,
Apparently they refused to hire him once the drug test
was known, and they Telly Blanchett's out of the main
wrestling business with WWF in WCWNWA, apparently Blanchard said he
was going to get seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars

(01:17:17):
to go back to WCW.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
He does not get that. He does not get hired.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
He is done pretty much as the main eventstar. And
to me, that's sad because what a run with the
Four Horsemen, A decent run here with Brainbusters. So I guess,
is it strange that he failed a drug test when
we have clearly known for years all the wrestlers are
on other drugs during this timeframe.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
Is it shocking?

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Uh? No, not shocking, because there was a lot of
that going on. You know. Tully claims that at the
only time that that's all they were really testing for
was cocaine, which I'm sorry, but you would have thought, Okay,
if you had that knowledge, what are you doing. Uh,

(01:18:04):
they knew that they had these random drug tests out there. Uh,
it's your livelihood and then you're gambling with that for
one night out. So I and you know, he he
professes to it, and uh, you know, talks about the
damage that he did, but it is it's a it's

(01:18:25):
a real shame because uh, he was great in the Ring,
him and Iron, and they did a lot to help
a lot of the guys in uh in the w
w E at that time. I know the Rockers talk
about that working with them, and you know that they
learned so much and other guys other tag teams too,

(01:18:50):
and you know, and it wasn't just him getting fired
from the w w E. And then he had worked
this deal. It was supposedly three year, seven hundred and
fifty thousand dollars. They're gonna get two fifty a year,
both him and Arn. And then once this happens, they're
gonna go back. Like he thought, well at least I

(01:19:11):
got this. Well they go, well, we don't want you either,
and he said, you know, initially was very arrogant about it.
Well you know they you know, they need me or
they're gonna well no, and not. I don't know if
he ever went to them and said, look, I'll take
a drug test every day if you want. But it

(01:19:33):
fell apart, and not only did it kill him, but
the story goes that Arn lost the deal too, because
if they weren't a tag team. If they weren't a pair,
then they weren't going to be as profitable to them,
and he ended up getting, you know, a little more
than one hundred and fifty a year and lost a
ton of money because of what happened to Tully and

(01:19:55):
in effect not only just ruined his career, but his
life in many ways that you know, I mean, thank
god he found the ministry, and he you know, claims
that that was uh, you know, the turning point in
his life, but it is it's a shame that one.
And it wasn't. I'm sure it wasn't the first night.
It wasn't like he tried cocaine for the first time

(01:20:18):
in his life or something. But the circumstances surrounding it
were catastrophic, and it's it's it's too damn bad because
it's not not it wasn't even just that individual. And
it's the same thing that we've talked about with the
Road Warriors when Mike had his issues. It didn't just
hurt Mike, it hurt Joe Joel Laurnidis too. I mean,

(01:20:41):
it just killed the tag team. And then when you
can't work together and you've got that magic in a bottle,
together is why it works. Then uh, you know, you
screw everybody, and it's it's too bad, it really is.
It's a it's a cautionary tale that has not been
learned by many over the years because we've seen it

(01:21:02):
happen again in different circumstances. But uh, you know Tully
was great, he was a great, great worker. And uh
and together with the ar and they did, you know,
tremendously well. And the four horsemen, who knows what. You know,
if they would have gotten back together, that whole thing
would kind of run. They would have had and you know,
like you said, I had Mercedes to pay for and

(01:21:25):
that one night cost him everything.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
I now, there's so much there because I think at
one point you I've noticed a lot of times where
a wrestlers say, are it's revealed they're not staying in
the company, or it's revealed they are trying to figure
how to get out of contract, or revealed their they
want to leave. And then in nowhere drug tests start
popping up. And I think Rays Ramoniman told a story

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where he failed the drug test. Scott Hall filled the
drug test before he was leaving for WCW. Well, they
had him miss WrestleMania, so you get a WrestleMania pay day.
They and then they had him come back lose and
they were he was out in my brain. Yeah, if
I'm Vince and I find out that Tully's thinking about
leaving and he's getting this great deal, I don't know
if I'm Vincent man, the diabolical person I think he

(01:22:10):
is is. Oh, I don't know where drug tests. You're
telling me all the wrestlers weren't on cocaine or other
things at this point in time.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Maybe, but that's never you know, been proven or brought
you know where, brought to light. But well, you know,
it's kind of like one of those things that you know,
you yeah, you can say, well he ambushed him with
a drug test. Well, if you aren't doing it, then

(01:22:39):
you've got nothing to worry about. Yes, but you're right
though in a sense, you know, but you have a
point there that you know. But at the same time, business,
you know, it's a dirty business, and you know you're
not helping. You didn't help yourself. You made it easy.
So I don't know, you can't I don't think you

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can lay any blame at the feet of Vince McMahon
In this one.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
No, all right, that's a good point too. It's like saying, well, how.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Much does it matter to you? Like, how much does
it matter what you do? How much does it matter?
How many people wanted that spot and would have done
anything for it and you and whether it was an
addiction or something that that's another you know, discussion. But man,
there's a lot of stories like that that you know,

(01:23:29):
we wonder, like, what what happened? Man? You just you
had it, it was in your hand. You work so hard,
look where you came from, and then poof, it's gone. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
I think the road sometimes takes away things we've talked
about before, with your dreams and aspirations of being a
star sometimes or a sacrifices along the way. How do
you get up in the morning, how do you go
to sleep at night? Well, maybe the drugs will get
me up in the morning and the pills will put
me to sleep at night. But when it becomes part
of your everyday routine, it might ruin your life because
you don't realize that there are these things are illegal

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and someone can drug test you. And you're right, it's
not Vince Man's fault that Tully Blanche did cocaine. It's
Tully Blanchet's fault that he did cocaine. It's just shocking
to me that other people who clearly were on drugs
didn't get also pinched at this time.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
But I don't know. You said it's a dirty business.
Maybe that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
I don't know, but it's just shocking that the brain
Busters are over here and four Horsemen never get back together.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
This version to get back together a thousand different times
of different people.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
But all in all, though, it's it's the businessman, it's
the business Oh in all though, Sparbsaris eighty nine. I'll
be honest, the backstage atmosphere is a lot more exciting
that what's happening in the ring. I didn't want to
stop the show off with I thought the show was boring,
but I as we got to the end, I would
have liked everyone to know that the greatest of every

(01:24:54):
series is still nineteen ninety from the golden era. Eighty
nine a little slow missed spot. It doesn't have the
same like to it, it doesn't have the same feeling.
It's just, hey, a bunch of guys teaming up.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
And I have no problem with that. But it wasn't
exciting to me. What were your thoughts on this before
we wrap it up?

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Yeah, exactly. I told you. I didn't didn't feel till
the main event had that main event feel to it.
I thought that the the Alkamaniacs match was was the
one that really everybody wanted to see. And and you know,
and Ted DIBIASI was great, it was a great heal.
Then he was really at the top of his game.

(01:25:35):
So that's that's my own personal opinion on it. But
you know, and like I said, I've always I always
had issues with these kind of events. I I looked
at them more that you know, everybody got to see
all all your people, You got to see all the superstars,
and everybody got everybody had a little chance to get
on that stage. And uh, in some cases you got

(01:25:56):
to see some good stuff happening in the ring. A
lot of it wasn't to you know, got to figure
out all these different ways to eliminate people, and some
of them are really stupid, but that's that's what it
was all about. And it was uh, you know, I
love the fact that it became a Thanksgiving tradition for

(01:26:17):
people no matter what the show was. But you got
this great meal, and then you would get to know
that for the next two plus hours you're going to
be able to watch the WWF. And and it was,
and all the uncles and your cousins were there and

(01:26:37):
thrown each other off the couch, and you know, I
just thought that that was it was. It was a
great event for that reason, not always for the matches
that that went along with it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
I agree again, it might be someone's favorite Sarvis series,
it's not mine. But thank you so much for watching
me and Mooney talk about it today right here on
the Golden Arrow podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
I've see fall he Shaw, have a wonderful day, and
we'll see you next time. Bye bye,