WWE This Tuesday in Texas 1991: The Failed Experiment - Sean Mooney Shares All

The Untold Truth Behind Jake "The Snake" Roberts Slapping Miss Elizabeth at WWE This Tuesday in Texas 1991 – Sean Mooney Breaks His Silence In one of the most shocking and controversial moments in WWE history, Jake "The Snake" Roberts menacingly confronted "Macho Man" Randy Savage and slapped Miss Elizabeth during This Tuesday in Texas in 1991. But what really happened behind the scenes? Was it planned? Was it pushed too far?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
What is going on wrestling fans, It's ic Fall. Welcome
back to ten count Media. On today's edition, we're continuing
their journey here on the Golden Era Podcast with Sean Mooney.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
We're talking about this Tuesday in Texas. Sean, how you
doing today?

Speaker 3 (00:19):
I'm doing great. I'm glad we're doing this episode almost
to the day of the distance between Survivors Series ninety
one and then this Tuesday in Texas because they wanted
it to be this timely event that you could not miss.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Man, I have done a ridiculous a model research on
this Tuesday in Texas trying to figure out was this
show ever promoted on Superstars or Wrestling Challenge. Between Survivor
Series in this Tuesday and Texas, it's six days and
I went down the rabbit hole and it's very hard
to find any result actually accurate of Superstars or Wrestling Challenge.

(00:56):
So currently for me, I don't know if only Survivor
Series ninety one was the only time they had an
opportunity to promote this event.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah. Well, and you have to remember how we did
it or not, as we would do all of these
promotions during the week. Remember, I'm sitting at the table
and we're recording these promotions, but we had them planned
out for weeks, so I would do, you know, promotional
things weeks ahead so that it would be this Friday

(01:24):
two weeks from this, you know, coming on whatever it was.
And when you had a six day span like this,
a lot of this stuff would have to go out.
So I would think maybe there was some delay on
it or the hesitancy to try and do that, because
you know, you never know what's going to happen. These
are live events. You don't know if the day before
somebody is out, as we saw with the Survivors series,

(01:46):
whether or not those were works or whatever. But you
had things that you obviously couldn't plan for, so that
made it very difficult. And the fact that it was
just six days. We were in a cycle where you know,
Superstars and Challenge were weekend shows, so this file this
fell on a Tuesday. It was very tough to try

(02:07):
and promote. But they wanted to have this urgency to it,
and as we saw during the Survivor series ninety one
that they plugged the crap out of it during the
pay per view, basically setting it up so that you know,
you couldn't miss what was going to happen.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
You're right, because the first thing on surviver series ninety
one is Jack Tunny promoting this event.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Because I did find one clip on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
It's Bobby and Gorilla and they tossed back to a
clip of Jack Tunny at Survivor series talking about how
this Tuesday in Texas we're gonna have a rematch routine
taker in Holt Coogan. But yet it's like, I'm not
sure if someone has figured out how to like take
an old clip and put a new clip, because I
couldn't find that physically. As a result, like I went
on Deep Dives a result website figure out is this real?

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Is this not real?

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Because it looked like Gorilla and Bobby are tossing to
a clip.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
But that's it. There's nothing else.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Maybe they brought Bobby and into the studio over to
green screen to record something just to give you a
glimpse of the rest of the show. If I'm if
I found what it was correct, there's nothing. There's nothing
about show except Sarves Series ninety one being the infomercial
for this Tuesday in Texas.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, well, another trick we used to do as well,
Steve is that and you know they still do it
today where you might record three different versions of a scenario.
You know, let's say in a sporting event and how
it's going to go out, and you say, well, it's
a good thing these guys won because and then you
take the other team and then you have a reaction

(03:36):
to it so that it can play. So that was
kind of a trick you could do as well, but
you had to be careful with what and how far
you could go with it. But you know, that's that
was just one of the things. I remember what we
would do. I would do a couple of versions of
something and then we had that option whatever however it
played out or whatever they had decided that was how

(03:58):
it was going to play out. But that was one
thing you could do as well.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
That sounds about right. That sounds about right here.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
And you know, the name This Tuesday in Texas because
up to this point we've had Roy Rumble, we've had WrestleMania,
SUMMERSAM Survivor Series, these traditional names, we love them so much.
In nineteen ninety one, This Tuesday in Texas Now, according
to Bruce Pritchett, the name is because the urgency of
it's it's this Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I can't miss it this Tuesday? And where is it?
It's in Texas?

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Else? What do you need to know? Like?

Speaker 2 (04:32):
What do you think of the name?

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Because they this Tuesday in Texas, Hulk gets his belt.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Back, you know, I mean we didn't say that.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
What do you think was gonna happen like this.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Monday in Minnesota?

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Like, I don't know, it's just weird to think that
you would just be okay, Well, the urgency of the
name to tell you when it is and where it's
going to be. I don't give a shit. I'm sorry
where wrestling is going to be? Yes, I need to
know when it airs, but I can't.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
I don't. I don't care that it's to be in Texas.
It just sounds.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
It sounds, I guess a nice tagline to put this
Tuesday in Texas, Oh those teas. But I don't know
about this name. I don't think anyone's ever accepted this name.
What did you think of the name?

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Well, as uh, you know we've been talking about with this,
this was kind of an experiment all the way around. Uh,
you know, could you would it would something with that
kind of urgency work, you know, would people be willing
to pay money within a few days to follow and
being able to follow up and take a storyline a
little bit further with this urgency and will leave you

(05:34):
kind of hanging, so we will you will you come
back right away? And so using a title like that
was also just let's see how people react to it,
you know, overall, and we'll get into the weeds on
it later. But it it didn't necessarily work very well
because as we know, the buy rate was lower, people

(05:56):
had paid less. But at the same time, you know
that that measurement is not necessarily what how much money
you made on is how many people a percentage of
the people that have the ability to bring a pay
per view into their home are actually paying to see it.
And that's what it came down to. And as we
saw other Fibers, series ninety one was two point one

(06:17):
something like that, and this Tuesday in Texas was half
of that. So it was disappointing in that sense, but
the whole thing was really just to see, let's see
what happens, can we can we pull this off? And
is it something we want to start doing in the future.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
But why do to have this in December? Like, why
do you have to do this six days later? I
think people would have paid more if this was, Hey,
in December, we're going to have because in December I
think eighty nine, the WWF did the match the movie
they had No Holds Barred and then a marquee match
with Bruce beef Cake and Hogan versus Zus and maach

(06:54):
him and in a steel cage. They did that before
in December. Why not now? Why try to push six days?
Why only use Survivors stations? You could have used Primetime
Superstars Wrestling Challenge. I'm very curious to know why you
would think it needs to be in six days? Like
why the urgency?

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Do you think?

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Well? I think that they felt they could. I don't
want to say waste one, but it was a chance
for them to see does it will this work? Imagine
you know, imagine what goes into promoting an event, and
it's and especially when we would do you know, for
the four Big Ones then and we would spend months
and months promoting it at a pretty good cost of

(07:32):
doing this, you know, necessarily, and they wanted to see, Okay,
do we need all of that promotion? Can we just
build the momentum and then act on it quickly instead
of having to do it for say, any like you said,
they could have waited a month. That would have been
kind of unprecedented too. Here where they're doing a pay
per view a month later, you know, the same thing

(07:52):
as you mentioned to see, and it was overall a
failed experiment in sense because then they didn't end up
doing another one for you know, over a decade later,
so obviously it wasn't the results that they wanted to see.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, I'm just surprised, Like I know, the Tuesday concept
was always brought up as, oh, it was a Tuesday,
like we usually have pay per views on Mondays. I'm sorry,
I don't think the date had anything to do with it,
and I think it's the fact that it was so quick.
But again, you still made money, you still put on
a show, because the thing with this is you paid
to see this event this Tuesday, inseexast.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
You get nine dark matches on this show.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, nine and not bad ones, not all, I mean
all they were pretty good matches. Some of them. I
would have liked to have seen the same part of
the pay per view event, which we'll we'll talk about.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
It's just funny to think where I guess everyone who
only watched a pay per view. Like I said, I'm
doing the same thing. I'm taking the name and going
why the name? Why these matches?

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Why?

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Six days? But if you bought a ticket, you got
a show because.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
You got no kidding, Legion of Doom versus the Rockers
and one of the last appearances of the Rockers as
a tag team because they're next up airing on Superstars
in a few weeks after that would be the Barbershop Window.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
You know, you have Rick Flavors as Rowdy Roddy Piper.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know how that one was a
part of it. And then you know we ended up
getting you know, the rebun and and you know and
and and really I love those guys saying you give
me a choice so I get to see Rick Flair
take on Roddy Piper. But that yes, I'm in I
know it. But but also you met you know, these

(09:37):
matches were uh, I'm not bad at all. I mean,
because you had other guys that would uh were rising up.
I mean, you know, Charles Wright was in there, Sir
Charles was one of these matches. One of his early
matches with the the w W E Chris Chavis, who
you know is Tatanka. So yeah, if you showed up

(09:58):
that night, and I think about what thousand people showed up,
you got a hell of a show really and overall
as a show itself, as a house show, it wasn't
a bad deal. And uh, you know, and as far
as the pay per view went, when with the you know,
the Jake and Randy maybe not the greatest match in itself,

(10:20):
but the storyline of that was just tremendous, which I
really want to get into. And Brett Hart and Skinner
was not a bad match up. So overall as an
event itself, it wasn't bad at all. It gets a lot.
I think it gets trashed a lot because of well,
as we mentioned, the way they turn this thing around

(10:42):
and basically made it a commercial venture all the way around.
But that's why they're in businesses business to make money,
and they're going to find different ways to make that happen.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
And I'm want to read down the card really quick.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
It's the Harris brothers having a tryout and the w
W roun in Don Harris. They were very of the DOA.
They were Jacob and Eli Blue obviously the Harris brothers
as well, Sir Charles, you said the Godfather, Papa Shango
and Brian Lee who had actually become the fake Undertaker
in the Undertaker VERSU Undertaker in nine ten NY four storyline.
So tan because Greg Valentine defeats Brooklyn Brawler, the Nasty

(11:18):
Boys take on the Bushwhackers. Legion to Doom then fights
the Rockers, and then Legion of Doom fights the Natural
Disasters back to back matches.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Why right, Legion of.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Doom verus Rockers.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
First I saw Piper versus Flann I was like, all right,
that's pretty impressive. Then I was like, wait, Legion of
Doovers for Rockers, When did we ever see that on television?

Speaker 2 (11:40):
And why isn't it on television?

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Exactly? I think, you know, you really you look at
this like, holy crap, it would have been if they
put these matches on, maybe it would have been you know,
people and what they paid for they got to pay
for pay per view wise half the what they paid
for Survivors series, and so if you know, if they
would have put three or four more of these matches
on there, people would have stuck around the whole thing

(12:03):
was only on for an hour and a half as
a pay per view event. Give people the.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Option by the whole thing or buy a half.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah, and then and then you think about it, because
of course I was involved doing the Colisseum home videos
and I was thinking back, you know, looking at that
card that I'm like, this is gonna make a hell
of a tape. And then they never even did. They
became part of I think Super Tape two or something
like that where it was there was not a Colisseum

(12:32):
home video called this Tuesday in Texas, which I meant,
I said, at least, at the very least, we're going
to have this great coliseum video. Didn't happen. That's a
big question. Why not?

Speaker 1 (12:44):
That is a weird question, because you are right, there's
a VHS release of everything wrestumating at eight over a series.
You guys had so many Super Tape Superstar tapes, like
you had a million different things. But yes, this does
not get a Colisseum video release.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
It's called WW super Tape ninety two.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Well, and on the cover on the bottom, if you
have the tape on the bottom, is it just a
little print, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
The full cord of this touth in Texas. I'm thinking,
didn't the.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
World title change hands at this event? If anything, let's
put that out front. That should be the cover of
this VHS tape.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
It's not. I think it's Brett Hart, and which is great.
I love Brett Hart, But why no release?

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Do you think it's a great It is a great
mystery because maybe at the at the time they viewed
it as a failure, or because they didn't get the
numbers that they were expecting and just kind of buried it.
I don't know, but I remember, I do. I just
thinkly remember thinking this is at the very least, this
is it's going to make a great Colisseum home video.

(13:51):
I mean, could be one of the best. When you
look at those dark matches, and then, as you mentioned,
the title changes hands, you have this believable story gun
going on between Macho Man Randy Savage and Jake the
Snake Roberts. It was everything you could ask for. I
mean it was if you, as you said, if you

(14:13):
were lucky enough to be there that night, you've got
a hell of a show. You really did.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, all right, I pulled up the super tape card.
This is what's on the tape. You have leading to Doom,
Big boss Man, the Anvil versus Earthquake, the Mounty and
the Nasty Boys. You have an IC Championship match is
Brett Harpers's Irs. Greg the Hammer, Valentine versus The Undertaker
in just a one on one match, super Fly Jimmy

(14:38):
Snooka versus Undertaker. Then the actual this Tuesday and Texas
card starts.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
You have all the matches in a row and the
last match is the world title.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
So yeah, they just threw in three extra matches when
you could have given us Piper and Flair, l O D.
Versus The Rockers, and Nasty Boys versus the Bushwhackers. And
I think that would have been the same exact tape,
except you didn't have to re air those old matches
because you already had a whole pay per view for
a VH just type release.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yeah. Well, I think overall, when you think about capitalizing
on everything that they captured that day that Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Uh, where was whereere was the event? I'm sorry?

Speaker 3 (15:21):
I Antonio?

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Oh okay, if it's Texas right this Tuesday in Texas?

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah, I sort to make sure you didn't forget, did you. Nope?

Speaker 1 (15:29):
The urgency was there, and I knew exactly where it
was going to be, and I knew what day it
was going.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
I don't know why when I would stick in your mind,
but okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
It's it's it's all there on this pay per view.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
You know, we could break down a match by a match,
but really, I think one of the biggest things, and
I really want to dive, like headfirst into it right now,
is the Randy Savage ate the Snake Robert storyline. Because
when you think of w w F storylines, you know,
put the F back in, there's only a few that
you go, how did this happen? We have a King

(16:04):
Kobra moment, we have women being slapped, we have Warrior
leaving which sets up this match and the storyline and reinstating.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Before we get into all that, like where do.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
You land on the rainy Savage jaysa Snake Roberts as
a rivalry in the WWF lore Because to me, it's
gotta be one or two.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah, it is one of the one of the greatest storylines.
The only reason it wouldn't be for me, you know,
top three or whatever, is because it was stunted. It
kind of got shut down because of all the I
guess you could say controversy surrounding it. There was. It
was a lot to it. But you hear Jake talk

(16:47):
about it, and you know, you've heard all these different
stories about the slap that of course is the one
basically heard around the world of professional wrestling forever. And
you talk about the timing of it when it happened.
You certainly couldn't get away with even thinking about doing
something like that today, But you know it was people

(17:12):
talk about how you know that Randy agreed to this.
Jake even says he came up with the idea. And
you know, Jake was very hesitant about it, not just
for how it would be perceived, and you know, people
thinking crossing the line and that whole thing. And he
you know, said that guy strikes a woman asn't much

(17:35):
of a man. He's said that many times. But he said,
you know, this is how we work back then. And
he said, and if I'm going to do it, I
got to I gotta lay it in a bit to
make sure it's believable. And you've heard stories, you know
how Randy thought he made it look too real and
he was out of his mind. Well, Jake says, no,
you know, Randy had no problem with it. The problem

(17:55):
that he says is that Elizabeth's family went crazy, her
parents and and her grandparents, UH just thought it was
way way over the line. And uh to the point
where you know, Jake says that that Randy for a
time wasn't welcome in their homes and it was like
a major family and and so he he said that,

(18:17):
you know, he believed that thing should have gone, that
should have gone all the way to WrestleMania. This storyline
could was just tremendous and uh, but that it was
kind of shut down because of all that. That was
the heat that was surrounding it. And and on the
personal side for Randy with with family matters, now we'll
never know. From the other side of Randy, I I

(18:39):
don't remember it being uh that those issues. I never
heard about him having problems with the family. But I
knew that that he was okay with it. Nothing really
would ever happen in that ring involving Elizabeth unless he
signed off on it. And so I don't I don't
think that was the issue. I think it made it
sounds for a story to say that he went out

(19:01):
of his mind because you know, Jake made it look
too real. I mean, come on, these guys know how
to work. We saw the bump that Elizabeth took it
with the whole Cogan episode, and so she knew that
and and and in many ways, you know, Elizabeth welcomed
getting in there. You know, she didn't want to just

(19:21):
be the pretty little thing standing at ringside all the time.
And she knew that at some point that's gonna wear out.
How you know, you know, you got to get get
get your hands dirty a little bit. And she was
all for it. And uh, you know, uh, Sherry talks
about it, the incident where Sherry slaps her and and
uh you know where Elizabeth delivers you know, her receipt whoever.

(19:45):
But uh she you know, Sherry was very hesitanting about it,
and Elizabeth not like, no, you know, laid in there,
you know where she uh was totally into it. So
I don't think that that was an issue either. So
it was I think it was a great storyline, is
your original question here. I just think it was stunted
a bit. It could have gone a lot further. And

(20:07):
then we should also talk about some of the greatest
promos ever cut for this this event and also just
the storyline because two of the best Jake Roberts and
Brandy Savage, and they were on the top of their
game for this, for this storyline. It was just fantastic,
some of their best work ever ever.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Oh yeah, no, I think that's why I said it
to the top, you know, one or two.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
And I think before we move on about anything involved
the storyline, the parents and his family, the family of
miss Elizabeth.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
I could see one reason of it looks so real,
not the slap.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
At one point, Jake is holding her up here by
I guess her hair, and he is screaming and pointing,
and he is looking very you know, very heelish, and
that's what he's doing here. He's a bad guy, and
it looks so real so that when he eventually does
strike her in the ring. I'll be honest, you see
the strike. You've watched enough wrestling, you've seen enough hits.

(21:03):
You look at that and go, wow, you really held
back on that.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Good for him.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
But yet the family seeing this, and I think they're
so emotionally caught up in all the he's belittling her,
he's screaming at her.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
There's a King Kobra a few weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Like, there's a lot of layers to this, and if
you're not, I guess, clued into what the hell's happening
backstage and in front of the camera, maybe maybe you
could start freaking out. But as you said, we talked
about the mega powers exploding on an episode maybe like
seven episodes ago, and Macho Mann's giant butt lands on
her face and she gets crushed on the outside, and

(21:37):
I'd never heard a story about the family being upset
about that.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
This is no I also think and as you said,
the slap, I mean, Jake is a professional, it's the
same as how they do it with punches and everything.
But I think it was more more the perception of
her mistreatment as a woman. I think that that had
a lot to do with it. And as I said,

(22:02):
it was a different time. It was a different time
when you could could follow these storylines. I mean, Randy's
whole thing was being this overpowering, domineering character over Elizabeth
and control freak, and that was the character so and
wasn't the nicest. Was mistreated Elizabeth on many occasions right

(22:26):
in front of the television camera. So it was that
that whole atmosphere was something that was professional wrestling, but
as you know, Jake was sensitive to it. It was
a time where he didn't want to be known as
somebody who would strike a woman, but it was part
of the storyline and it certainly heated things up. But

(22:48):
I mentioned those promos and I people go back. You
can find him on YouTube. And one thing I want
to mention too is, you know, try and find that
slap now on YouTube. Steve. You could see how the
ww you is very sensitive to it because you can
see that the end of that match has got clips
of it too, but no slap, so very very even
very very sensitive to it today. But getting back to

(23:10):
the promo, oh my god, you know Jake. Let's start
with Jake and the promos that he had for this
and I just just such awesome when he talks about,
you know, I came into this world and I was
basically innocent, and thank you Jack Tunney for educating me,
because when I came into this will, I couldn't lie,

(23:31):
I couldn't cheat, I couldn't steal, and you taught me
all of that, you know. And then he gets into
the and then when we get into the whole thing
about with him manhandling Elizabeth, and he's like, oh yeah,
and then when I felt then I felt down down
my back, you know, the you know, basically saying the
power I had over this woman. And you're like, holy,

(23:52):
this guy, I mean, oh, the best of the best.
In his burn, that slow burn, the way he delivered
stuff and so good you believed every word that's coming
out of his mouth. So, you know, Jake one of
the best. And it's he he had a great career.
I just don't know why he wasn't at the peak

(24:13):
of everything for as long as that ride was because
he was. It was just so good and uh and
and great a great ring performer. So it's uh to me,
he's he's right up there, one of the best ever.
And especially when it came to cutting promos, My god.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Oh he was. He was a genius.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
It's funny you said that the Bulls prom because after
he hits her in the promo and airs, it really
seems like he got off on slapping her, and you're like, oh,
my god, dude, what is this guy's really feeling this?

Speaker 2 (24:43):
More so than just he's happy to be.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Here, He's just that kind of like, yeah, good stuff
in my back.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, oh.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
You sick. But you believed him. Oh my god, you
believed him right.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Oh, I was all in on this.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Jake to Snake, Robert's especially that you know that don't
trust me version of him, this.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
One He's like, trust me, trust me, brother.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
And it's quite interesting that how we even got here
in the first place, because we did a whole episode
about it. Ultimate Warrior gets fired from the WWF in
nineteen eighty one Summer Slam. While that is going on
backstage on television, we're seeing Jake and Warrior setting up
a storyline for them where Jake's helping Warrior become darker

(25:30):
to fight the Undertaker. Well, Warrior is out, Well we're
gonna have to go to Macha Man's wedding, where we
have to go to reception.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
We're out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Jake now doesn't like Macho Man and he has Undertaker
by his side, which sets us all up. And it's
very interesting to think that because of Warrior leaving, we
got this amazing storyline in promos and because it's not
just a normal thing man like you, We're talking about
a woman being slapped. And then before that we had
a king Kobra bite, a man's arm that wouldn't let go.

(26:01):
We don't just have one amazing moment, we have two.
Just thinking off the top of my head of those
types of things, what do you How did Jake do feel?
How does Jake feel about all this? Because I've interviewed
before about this and he feels like Warrior leaving really
effed up him becoming world champion.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Jake says, he was supposed to become world champion.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
I don't know where though, maybe he's supposed to be
an intiger spot I don't know. But yet he was
supposed to become world champion and have a storyline with Warrior.
It doesn't happen, doesn't materialize, and then after this storyline,
the finish of Jake and Macho is at Saturday's main
event before Roy Rumble, and then that's it. Jake's out
after Usmania eight like boom boom, boom boom, We're out.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yeah, and an unfortunate series of circumstances, I think is
the way we can basically lay it all out here,
because Jake has mentioned that many times that that run
with Warrior would have been a huge payday for him
and he think that that cost him hundreds of thousands
of dollars, if not more. And then of course you

(27:07):
get this great storyline going which he plays to the
te and does, you know, does everything you could possibly
want to do to sell it and making it hot
as ever that heat was just off the charts. And
then as I said, then there other things come in. Well,
we really don't want to keep going forward with this
for whatever reason, whether it's family or heat from the

(27:29):
outside of people saying of using a woman or whatever
it is, and that gets shut down. So you know,
Jake loses them both counts of these runs, and it's
it's just unfortunate because you know, the two of them
working together were so good. We talked about Jake's promos,
Randy's were just as good when it came to emotions

(27:53):
and what were what was running in this storyline where
was just tremendous of me. Here he is, uh, you know,
he's supposed to be the protector of his woman and
he couldn't even do that. He's incapacitated in the ring
and Jake basically has him where he can do whatever
he wants to him and does all you know three

(28:14):
ddts that just knock him completely. He's just out and
this woman has to come over and cover and try
and save him, and then she gets slapped by this guy.
And his promo before that match was great. But I'll
tell you I had the privilege of being the one
who interviewed him backstage for that one, and Steve, I've

(28:34):
I've mentioned this one before, and to me, it is
that that interview is one of the greatest UH interviews,
one of the greatest promos that that Brandy ever did.
And he did a lot of tremendous ones, but this
one man he with he's he's smacking himself, he's slapping himself.
He can't forgive himself. He's just so distraught. He's lays

(28:57):
out of the ground. If you see me with a
microphone trying to follow him as he's going around to
make sure people can hear him. And I remember, as
this is going on, I'm going, Oh this Jesus, this
is the unbelievable. I'm feeling I'm getting chills as he's
going and he's just going on and on, and I've
mentioned you know where, and then as he finally finally

(29:19):
gets up and he's just like sh and he just
like shoves me out of the way. And I remember
everybody in that room, nobody moved. There wasn't a sound
because we're all just like, holy shit, that was unbelievable.
That was. And I remember after that, everybody's like, oh, Randy,
by god, that was. And this is the this is

(29:39):
the interview I've told you about before where Vince was
there off to the side and I ever tell you,
I tell you he's doing this with that Wrap him up,
wrap him up. And Uh, I think back now because
I watched it again, and I'm saying, can you if
I would have cut that thing short somehow it would
have been, would have missed half of it? How good

(30:02):
it was that you just that was my my whole
way thing is this thing is over. When Randy said
it's over, I'm not jumping in there. And if you
look at that's why it was so good and and
I'm not it's not just me saying this. You go
and you talk to people that are in the knower
or historians and ask them what what was one of
if not the best, but one of the best promos

(30:25):
that Randy Savage ever cut. It's that one in Texas. Uh,
it really was just phenomenal, and I think you know,
Vince would say, oh, man, that was probably a good
thing that we didn't wrap that one up early, because man,
that whole thing when he finally gets up and then
he goes and just you know, and just pushes me
out of the way and goes out, and I'm like,

(30:45):
what an exit? Because you've just felt it? Where's he going?
Is he gonna go get him now? I mean he's right,
he wan, he's gonna kill somebody. What he's gotta he
can't let this Simmary, He's got to go do it now.
So uh, all the way around that was the whole
match itself. How many people really remember what the happened
with the match ran going off with the elbow or whatever,

(31:07):
But it was all that that the post happened in
the ring afterwards, and in that interview, Man Jake was right, Man,
that thing should have been written right all the way
to WRESTLEMANI because that heat was as hot as it gets.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Now, let me throw something at you then, because do
you believe that the Poor House shows of Rick Flair
and Hoe Cogan in ninety one around this time they go, oh, okay,
we can't get to Wrestlemani with Hogan and Flair. All Right,
we gotta get we gotta get the Sid Hogan thing
going now. We gotta get this Macha Man Ric Flair
thing going now.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
But we gotta somehow put an end to this.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
And I say, I said it mentioned Macho Man fights
Jake the Snake at Saturday Night's main event, the last
one that aired on It was on Fox because NBC
canceled the contract with the WWF at this time, so
they weren't getting NBC Primetime specialists, they were getting Fox.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
And this is where this airs.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Also on that night, Rodny Piper beats Macha the Mounti
to become Intericonald Champion.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Hogan teams up.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Was Sugg Justice to take on Rick Flair an undertaker,
and that's the night where we get even a further
suggest as Holko and storyline. So do you think and
I threw all it out at you, do you think
that maybe the poor reception of Flair and Hogan led
to we had to break out Macho Man and Jake
because we can make more money with Flair and Hogan
doing separate things than having Macho Men and Jake together.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
Well, maybe not so much thinking we could make more
of them being separate because they didn't really know. But
one thing they did know is it wasn't working. It
wasn't happening of what they originally thought was going to happen,
that we were going to have this, you know, the
greatest of the greats in the ring together at the
same time and the great the world champions head to head,

(32:57):
and they could tell that's that was a lot of
the what they were able to do with the house
shows is get a feel of how people would receive this.
It was their own little labs that they could go
in different cities because you know city, all the cities
are different. You get different crowds in different places, and
it was a great way for them to get an idea, Okay,

(33:19):
is this going to work on a grand scale? Could
be put it in a pay per view where people
are going to line up and say, yes, I want it.
So it was more I think on the side of
knowing we wish it would happen, but it's just not.
So now we got to pivot. They're always thinking with others.
They always had something else to do. Wou'd it work?
And then you've got you know, sid bring an undertaker

(33:40):
in and then see where that's going to go, and
that's where we ended up.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, it's just weird that they would give Flair in
Hogan in a tag match on the main event on
Saturday's main event on Fox, but not be like, oh okay,
this can also mainavent WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
But either way, it's very strange to think that happens.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
And you know, you you mentioned for a second, but
I really want to dive into it. Vinsic Man is
telling you off camera during this amazing macho man promo
to wrap He's doing this now universal symbols I think
in society.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
One is this What do you think I'm doing right now?

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Yeah, well I'm rolling, but I'm also if somebody this.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
This is wrap up.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
This is roll the window down, even though no one
rolls the window down anymore, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Okay, nobody rolls the window.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
There's universal symbols like that, you know, peace, you know,
thumbs up?

Speaker 2 (34:32):
This one is wrap up, Yes, wrap up. Well, if
you were.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
A man then you suddenly saw someone doing this to you,
and you know you just happened to you.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
What what does this even mean?

Speaker 3 (34:45):
I'm thinking, like you want me to It's okay, it's
gonna be okay. But I'm like, what what what the world? Uh?
You know, I mean anything like this, uh this, you know.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Or like hey, stopping, you know anything.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
But and I remember it was when he was doing
it was when Randy was on the ground and just
you know, kind of you know, just grumbling. But but
but I knew he was going to I had done
enough interviews with Randy. I you know, I knew where where.
I didn't necessarily know what he was going to say
what it was, but I knew how he wasn't done

(35:25):
that that he there was more and I was like,
there's no way, there's no way I'm doing that. And
uh uh And thank god because the way that, as
I said, the way that all wraps up and that
explosive that I gotta go. I don't know what I'm
gonna do, but I'm going I gotta go. As as

(35:45):
that wrapped up, and I just you know, after that,
after he walked away and then I knew we were out,
I was just like that was so good. And then
and then I got and then come over, was like
and I think he's gonna say it wasn't that like, well,
I was. I was unbelievable. He was, like I told you,
I was. I told you a rap, like really yeah,

(36:10):
and you can see everybody in the crew. It's just
like what so yeah, I tell you. Even after that,
I was just because I knew. I'm like, I've done
it long enough. I knew when you got when it's gold.
And Vince certainly should have known that too. I don't
I maybe after he saw anyone, ye oh yeah, because
you know, he wasn't like he didn't have moments like

(36:31):
that where he realized, Okay, it's better that way. But
I told you, like afterwards, and I'd see I saw
him in the runway and I just like looked at
him and looked at me like what the you know,
like I said, I mean, I was so fired up,
stupidly because I probably could have been, you know, on
a plane back to Tucson at that point, you know,
because but I was so mad about it. It was

(36:55):
kind of like they want a piece of me, you know.
But really, I mean, I tell you though that and
of all I've done, you know how many hundreds of
interviews that I did, that to me was all the
way around, just to a be a part of that.
I was really proud of that and then and it
remains one of my my favorite moments that it's spent

(37:19):
not only just in the with with Randy, but in
the w w B. I mean, it was just a textbook,
just a great, great promo and uh and an I
mentioned the other one that where you know Jake's talking
about Jack Tunney, uh, teaching him about election. I mean
just and that's that was all him, you know, just

(37:41):
like you think of where did that stuff come from?
It's so good, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
I like how Jack Tunny is.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
He's supposed to be this authority figure, but everyone's like
even Cogan doesn't like Jack Tunny, even hold Cogan and
most of his promos like Jack Tunny, what is he?

Speaker 2 (37:56):
He's just trying to keep all the authority.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
He's the Yeah, yeah, he's That's That's what he did.
He was he was He took the heat. He was
the guy who was an.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Evil though he didn't like have a group of fashion
the man.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
He's the man, right right.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
He banned reptiles from Ringside and Macho and Jake's happy
about this that he taught him out to cheat and
lie and steal and Jack Tunny is not done here
on this Survivor series. I mean on this this Tuesday
in Texas. Pardon me, it's very easy to get this
Tuesday and Texas and Survivors Aeria is confused with each other. Yeah,
it's just really bizarre that. Yeah, you're even before this matchup.

(38:34):
The whole storyline really too with the King Cobra though,
is reinstating Macho Man, and that's another thing that happened
with Warrior leaving his spot is open, Well, we got
to fill it in with an.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Equal superstar, and Macho Man is there.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
He's currently doing commentary for Superstars and Wrestling Challenge randomly
and they have to reinstate him to bring him back.
Did Reandy ever want to step away from the ring.
What was the reasoning? Do you know for Randy saying,
you know what, I'm gon take a break or I'm
gonna just step away for a little bit.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
He was going to come back eventually no matter what.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Well, no, I think if you knew Randy, Randy knew
how the business worked, you didn't step away because you
could lose your your standing. There were certainly points where
he needed a break. You know, when you go that far,
and he did that a few times, where you know,
they go down to Florida and you know, basically chill

(39:29):
for a little bit. But he understood you can't just
step away and expect to come back, you know, a
year later or something like that and have that momentum.
I don't think that that he wanted to step away.
You have to remember at this point, where Vince McMahon's
head is is he's thinking about this youth movement. He's

(39:49):
under feeling that, you know, the superstars I've been counting
on are getting a little old and the tooth as
they say, and I've got to start thinking about the
future and bringing in new people. And I think that now,
I think that that that's not something Randy wanted to do.
They had even talked about, you know. I think Vince

(40:12):
wanted to try and make it somewhat palatable for him
and make him by saying that he wanted was going
to have him part of the booking team. That was
a part of the discussion, but that that never really
worked out, and so that was in commentary. But I
think that, you know, uh, for Randy, it kind of
came back around because they needed him, you know, there'd

(40:35):
be there'd be points where, you know, somebody would go
down on the and he would go and fill in
in some of these house shows and just time and
time again proving that they needed him. And come on,
I mean, he he could still go with the best
of all of them. There wasn't a point. It wasn't
where they were looking at him going, boy, he was
a little slow on that up the turnbuckle, the were
the elbow, you know what there was. It wasn't that.

(40:56):
And uh, you know, I heard a discussion the other day.
They're talking about, uh, you know where forty used to
be old and professional wrestling.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah, seriously, they think he used.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
To talk about people that are washed up at forty
and they're, boy, he's been around. Oh come look at
look at today everyone he can go and at peak
that are way beyond that. And so that wasn't a
point of at all. And I don't think Randy was ever,

(41:28):
you know, accepting of him take taking a back seat
because he was somehow older that he would he couldn't
keep up with these guys. I don't think that he
was thinking, oh, yeah, I need I want a nice
cushy job. We're gonna make money and I can just
do commentary. That wasn't part of his DNA. As we saw,
he ended up going down South and uh got bigger

(41:49):
than ever and had another had a run down there.
So no, I don't think that that was that was
his idea.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Okay, I always wondered that because he became world champion
at wrestling he eight, so this is you know, about
three months later, he beats rink Flair in another weird
Miss Elizabeth storyline which we kind of covered about the
naked pictures of Miss Elizabeth. She's going through a lot
of tough times in the end of ninety one and
early ninety two. But yeah, he wins the world title
and he even made He goes on to fight Warrior

(42:19):
Summer solon ninety two. You know he Maachamen has a
very good second run, and then they put him back
on commentary ninety four. Then he leaves for w CDW,
becoming a multi time world champion. So you know, again,
the last time Jake in Macho Touch, at least on
television is ar Rumble ninety two. If they're in this
roll Rumble together, Machumen even eliminates himself because he's going

(42:42):
after Jake and they change the rules of the rumble
when they just take her just throws Macho man back
in and girdls like, oh, apparently you can't eliminate yourself.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
But years before that, Andre did eliminate himself.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
So it's just funny where if you watch enough of these,
you're like, wait, are the rules changing or But it's
also a storyline, so either way, one of the best
you know, out of the Survivor series ninety one and
the King Kobra and Warrior leaving and getting fired like
this gave us this amazing moment of a king Cobra
and a woman being slapped in one storyline, and to me,

(43:14):
that is amazing to see.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
And well stands up today and I'm.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Gonna forever tell someone this if they ever tell me
wrap up.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
You to wrap it up? And you don't know that
international sign.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
You don't know it, you don't know it. Come on, man, no, no,
yeah it was. It was crazy though. It's just so
funny I think that. But yes, that's great storyline. But
also what's interesting about this pay per view is some
of the matches, So Million Dollar Man and the Repo
Man take on El Mattador Tito Santana in Virgil. Now
a lot of this is a continuation of what happened

(43:49):
at Survivor series, So Tiddy Biassi in Virgil or on
opposite teams. Repo Man was not a Survivor Series, but
El Mattador was. He was a replacement for someone on
Team Hack Sawe Jim Duggan. So what do you think
this match is put on there just filling the card
with anybody? Or are we need a tag team match
to feature two wrestlers to get you excited?

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Well, it doesn't make sense though, because and please, there's
no knock against these guys. You know, I love them all,
I love too love but but Ripo Man, which was
kind of the Hamburglar, and you know what I mean,
I just don't that. I'm glad that it kept very working.

(44:31):
But yeah, and it wasn't like saying it's a bad
tag team matchup. But as we saw with the dark matches,
there were some others that probably would have as far
as marquee goes and drawing attention, would have played better.
And also the placement of it, you know, right before
the big one to do something like that. And so

(44:52):
I never I've still and I was looking at that,
you know, the card earlier and thinking that it's just
the weirdest placement. And boy, there's a few there are
a couple other on here in the dark that were
would have been real good here. I mean when you
love to see Flair and Piper before. Yes, so I'm
kind of still astounded by you know, you know, we

(45:15):
had the Ted Deboshi, you had the Million Dollar Man
of course Virgil that was going to explode eventually. Uh
and they and they gave them the chance to to
finish that storyline, and so there was something within that match.
But it just as far as like putting that in there,
it does it does kind of come off like, okay,
we need something to put in there. I no, you know,

(45:37):
uh so, I really I don't. I don't. I don't
understand it. But that's it was it time to It
was that kind of like intermission, like time to get
up and get like get more popcorn and soda. I
I don't know. It's kind of a still a mystery
to me how that how that was in the lineup

(45:57):
the way it was.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Yeah, and again like million Dollar Man in Virgil their storyline,
this is the last time they touched too, because for
the past year they have fought over the million Dollar Championship,
they fought at they that's not at all so in reality,
like there's nothing left for Virgil and Million Dollar Man
to do except have a match with Repo Man and
Tito Santana.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
But you're right, like, why couldn't we have.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Gotten l O D versus Natural Disasters or the Rocker
is honestly Nasty Boys makes sense because they were in
the they were involved with each other at service series.
So this again, it's just the choice of some of
these as in like the Icy Championship is on the line,
Brett the Hitman Heart versus Skinner, they weren't involved in
the same match either. Brett Hart has an issue with

(46:40):
the Mounte. We saw this, they talked about it and
not here.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Why not here.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Though, Yeah it doesn't And not that that was even
a bad match either, because you know, she's pretty good.
Actually he was good.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Yeah, he was a good pretty.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Good hand as they say, and you know it was.
It was a decent matchup too. But you know, I
think as we when you look at it though, what
this really this pay per view was was the Jake
uh uh Randy match, and then uh, and then the
main event really so everything else was just kind of

(47:18):
the filler on it. But as far as you know,
some of those other matchups, they were, they were great.
But I think they I think the focus and the
attention they really wanted was on those matches, and of
course that's that's basically what happened, you know, the the
the Jake and Macho Man match was really certainly delivered.
My god, it was uh, it was great entertainment to watch,

(47:41):
it was. And then of course we had people waiting.
They wanted to see the Hulkster get that goal back
from the Man.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Whts nine matches already, so now they got to wait, uh,
you know, four more.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Though.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
It's interesting though, is British Bulldog and World also fight
on here and they hold a record for being in
every single pay per view match together in nineteen ninety
one Royal Rumble. They're in the same match one on
one Restman A seven one on one three on three
match Summer Slam ninety one SARBA series opposite teams four

(48:15):
and four. And here we are this too, the in
Texas Bulldog versus Warlord Great. I hate the only two
people ever to pull this off in one year, So congratulations.
If you didn't like it, well too bad. It's on
every single one. I just think that's a very interesting,
weird fact to have between Bulldog and Warlord. But it's

(48:35):
not these matches. Weren't people going, I can't wait to
see this. But again, I do love powerhouses. I do
love when we lock hands and we pretend we're fighting
each other.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
I like that for me. It's fun.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
But are you shocked that they fought in every single
pay per view in ninety one or.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Yeah, you almost think that it was a plan. Let's
do this and see if anybody really notices. You know,
you don't really have a reason for those two to
be in the ring together going at it against each other.
Didn't have any real serious storyline going on. But but
you know, I was Warlord was surprised me that he

(49:12):
could work as well as he did, because I don't
know how he wiped his heinie actually that he was
just so you know, I mean, he couldn't be at
that time. I just deduced to marble because you know,
you look at somebody like the Warrior and just how
you know, the cut that he had, it was just
like a bodybuilder's But Warlord was just like this. I mean,

(49:34):
he was as gigantic as you. You didn't know where
there was There's nothing else that could have been killed
in those arms and stuff like that. But he could move.
He you know, he could move. And those matches weren't
terrible with those guys. I mean it was you know,
and of course Davy Boy was was great anyway, but

(49:57):
they weren't. Those weren't terrible matches.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
No, I like this braided hair.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
This is the braided hair version of Bulldog. Didn't mind
him that this is a hurt like hell when he
landed on his head every time. But that was interesting.
But yes, let's move on. Though it's the main event.
It's Undertaker versus Hulk Cogan, the world titles on the line.
And for as long as I can remember, and I
would think, okay, Undertaker wins this fibus series, he loses

(50:23):
at this Tuesday in Texas.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
But when you do.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Research, it turns out Taker on the House Show circuit
did defend the world title against the British Bulldog three
different times. And if you go on YouTube, the WWE
loaded one of the matches so you can actually watch
the time taker defended the title against Bulldog at one
of these house shows, and it's very weird to think that.
It just felt like, you house shows didn't exist with

(50:47):
television programming for a while. Results didn't add up. So
were you aware of this, Like is this a common
thing where we're hiding what's really happening on house shows?

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Yeah, and they could do that. I think all those
shows were in Canada too, so they weren't even in
the US, And you know, they didn't have camp, they
didn't have you know, they didn't shoot these like some
of these places would have, you know, television cameras because
they had you know, kind of local operations. They did,
but you know, some of those were never captured on video,

(51:18):
which it wasn't like everybody even had a cell phone,
so you could do, you know, and these households you
needed to deliver once in a while. You had to
be able to go out there and like have the
belt actually on the line, you know, against a quality opponent,
and so yeah, that's where you could do that. You know,

(51:39):
the only way you ever really heard about these house
shows is through the dirt sheets. You know, they'd have
the guys there then Meltzer would get the information and
this is you know, guy went over and did this whatever.
But you know, only the die hard wrestling fans had that,
and it wasn't something you could put up. We didn't
certainly have the networks we have now, the platforms of
social media where you could put this stuff up. Basically

(52:03):
you could if you want it, you could do it live.
I mean, you could put that thing up right after
it happened for the world to see and do that. So,
as I mentioned before, it was it was a great
way for them to put stuff out there and see
how it worked, you know, to be basically rehearsals or
whatever and say, okay, how are they gonna how do
they react to this one? And so it was the

(52:24):
the uh, you know, the guys on the road, the
agents as we call them that they were also that
was part of their job was to report back to
headquarters and say, yeah, that that match really got over. Man.
They just loved it. It was a great way also
to you know, send people out there were experimenting with
a gimmick and see how the house reacts to it.

(52:45):
I mean that's the real test is when you see
people right there in person and they and they those
guys had heard how crowds react their entire lives. They
were very t and tuned to it. So the fact
that it's surprising though that you know, within six days
or whatever, you've got you know, you've got the Warrior,

(53:07):
I mean, the the Undertaker. It's three different shows, three
you know, you know he barely got a chance between
traveling and getting the Arenas. That's probably that's it. And
you know he talks about why why he really didn't
get a chance to see that Survivorsers when he did
the pile driver into the chair of how it went

(53:27):
down and see it on video where because he said,
I when I was shown that show was over, I
had to get I had to get out and had
to be in Canada. I had shows that I had
to do before I was going to go to Texas.
So he didn't get a chance to really see it.
And I'm sure you did the same thing I did.
You kind of like looking when they go out there
because at that point if having seen it, and then

(53:50):
also I'm sure every all the guys are saying, you know,
this is the way it is, this is what happened
in you know, didn't even get close and as Mark
says that his relationship with Hope was never the same
after that, and you you can you you say over
and over again, you know, like why why why do that?

(54:11):
There's a lot of things that I'm referring to the
Survivor series, you know, that how Hope sold that, and people,
you know, talk about the man. You know, some of
the reviews after that that Hope really put that over,
you know, showing how fierce that pile driver or that
under that undertakers you know, moved there the finishing move that,

(54:34):
you know, how devastating it could be, well when into
a chair, however it was. But you're also you know,
Mark's concerned was I don't want to get the reputation
out there that I hurt people. That was his fear,
you know. And besides the fact that here I did,
I you know, killed the golden goose here that Vince
is gonna send me packing. So uh, you know, I

(54:57):
was watching closely and you know, you like kind of
look at that and say, how how did that go?
Out there? He's certainly a pro, but uh, you know,
he's s left the wonder of these days what what
was behind all that?

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Probably a lot of things. But we think we talked
about on some of Ovisse.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Here's anyone where Hogan's not saying it's the headshot to
the chair, it's the he had him so clenched up
upside down that when he dropped him, his body you know, yeah,
well spasm, but in reality it doesn't if you even
watch it. But I'm not Hogan, but also Hogan's a
no liar, so I don't know which one.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
Well, we'll you know however that went down, but like
I said, it was it certainly helped create the heat
there that that between that six days of you know,
was all go into the hospital. Is he going to
be well enough to go in there to be able
to to you know, to try and get his title back.

(55:51):
I'm surprised there was a little more of that going
into it, but you know that it did. They intended
it to do as far as getting the belt back
to Hogan, although it was short lived, but you know
that's kind of the way they sold it. And as
of that night anyway, the Hulkster had the strap back

(56:14):
around his waist.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Yeah, it with the Evil Jack Tunney by ringside as well,
So we had to make sure that he was gonna
lay down the law and he was gonna be there
make sure nothing goes wrong. But guess what things do
go wrong? With Tunny's around. Rick Flair comes out again
and we have more shenanigans. No one's paying attention, and
this time it's Hulk Hogan who does a little cheating.

(56:37):
And this is where an answer was brought up to everyone,
what the hell's inside of the Urn of the Undertaker
Because we didn't know we would hear rumors like, oh,
it's the ashes of the deceased that he his victims,
Oh shit, okay, or it's his parents it's ashes.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
Or last night's barbecue, I.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Don't know, or green smoke or years later a flashlight.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
There's a lot of things inside that earned It's like
a giant purse, my wife's purse.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Have you opened there? This time it's ashes.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Her gets ashes in the face that allows Hogan to
pick up the win here and Hogan's the new champion.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
But again it's not the end.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Like, if anything, this is a three parter and I'm
not sure if we're gonna do it, but like this
sets up Royal Rumble nineteen ninety two, it's all open,
So dude.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
You couldn't.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
You couldn't let soever series be its own show. You
couldn't let this Tuesday in Texas be it show. But
at least on this one, they don't suddenly start announcing
it the Royal Rumble, the world title will be on
the line immediately.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
They wait for a few weeks. For that time, they didn't.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
They didn't bring Tonny in the ring right away and
give them a microphone and say, after careful consideration and consultation,
of course, the belt is now null and void. No
one has it. We're going to put it. It's gonna
be that.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
We're rolling on it too.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
So if you bought this pay per view and the
other one, those didn't matter, this one matters.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
You should buy this one.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
This one we're really matter, guys, seriously.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Well gotta sell. And Royal Rumble did pretty well still,
I think it even did. I think it did a
little better than Survivor Series ninety one. But yeah, the
big four were still well, sure, we're sure still rolling
along despite you know, a little hiccup there trying to
do this other event, sneaking this other one in there

(58:29):
and seeing what reaction they were going to get. But
it also you got to give credit to the WWE
that they were experimenting with all different kinds of ways
to to bring this action to the folks and pay
per view. However, they were going to do it, and uh,
you know, and they kept experimenting. This was one that

(58:50):
didn't work. But as we've seen, look how many events
we have now where you know, to me, that would
have been insane to think we're going to do on
a every month, like, oh my god, because it was
to me the season was tough enough and then you
know where we just go through the flour and then
wrestle Meanti and then you know, well now it's uh,

(59:11):
you know, Monday, we start all that, we start all
over again, that it was a different time back then.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
I know, it's so weird to think, but again I
think we brought up at the beginning like why wouldn't
why couldn't you wait a little bit, Why couldn't you
wait for a month? In two weeks, three weeks? Have
your other shows be allowed to be part of the production.
The merchandise, the selling point of this, you and Gene
selling this for weeks on end, and I don't It's

(59:37):
just so bizarre to think, why do it so fast?
Why do it so quick? And I can't really think
of a reason. I can't then the reason of oh, well,
we got to get to take her the title off
taker because Hogan's upset. That can't be real because you
started to the start of starviceras anyone was promoting this
Tuesday in Texas with Jake and Macho, so obviously you
already had plans for all this happening, so that rumor

(59:58):
can't be real in my eyes. The reasoning of having
it six days later, I can't honestly figure out. Because
we've talked about Vince being a genius when it comes
to promotion. But why, in your personal opinion, you know,
you've been in the business, You've done on the things.
Why have it so close now? I don't care that
it happened again because I'm as a wrestling fan it
was cool more wrestling, But why as a business and promoter,

(01:00:21):
why six days?

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Why so close?

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Well? I think as we talked about before, that it
was a timely thing and they wanted to see can
we build momentum and then act on it quickly and
see with the same you know, instead of letting it
burn or let it or having to keep building it.
Can we can we capitalize on a momentum that we've

(01:00:45):
started right here and then pay it off quickly, which
that happens all the time now, Steve, Yeah, well yeah,
now you can do it now. They don't wait. And
I to me, I've said before, you know that I
don't like that as much because I used to. I
used to love the way that they could actually have
time to build characters and actually have time to build

(01:01:07):
the storyline for weeks and weeks and weeks to where
you just couldn't wait to see it all play out.
But as we've seen, it's very acceptable today to do
that to get more of these quick payoffs. And I
think you know, they were along thinking along the lines
of Okay, let's let's have the ability to do this,

(01:01:27):
that we can build something quickly and then maybe it's
not it's not a three month payoff, it's it's a
week payoff, and and it's maybe it's a quick way
for us to turn it around and we could bring
somebody else into this and then catapult this into another big,
you know situation, because you know, we we we had
seen these guys working together before whatever with a Jake

(01:01:48):
and rany whatever, and and you can could wrap stuff
up and then uh pay it off a week later.
There that you've done that and then boom you got
something else to go on. And maybe maybe that is
a three month build up whatever, But it gave them
a different option, and I think they were just trying
to see if this would work, and it didn't work enough.

(01:02:09):
It didn't work well enough for them to feel that, yeah,
this is something we should start doing doing more often. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
The only thing I think of after listening to you
was the Saturday Night's main event that when NBC canceled
their contract and they had to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Move off Fox for a few episodes and then they didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
They weren't on prime time on NBC for at least
fifteen to twenty years.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
So this was like the end of all those options.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Is maybe like, oh, maybe Jake and Machaman can boost
our ratings up for this event and then we can
get a bigger contract with NBC again or Fox. We
can build that up again. We'll use this event to
do that. I have no idea, but we talked about
Rustplning and nine I think before, where it's like, maybe
we can use this event to show the world. Hey,
look who we can do. We can do other things

(01:02:55):
like perm running, boxing, reporting the UFC. Honestly, I don't
understand the just to show you that you can do
it is a little strange in my eyes, because vinsk Man,
if I feel like, is not someone who just does
something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
He around this time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
He has a plan, he has execution, He has an
idea and maybe this was the idea and you had
to go with it because it's vinsic man, and you
know he wants to do what he wants to do.
But in reality, though we've talked about some overstaers Ay
One talked about this tuessy in Texas.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
For you personally, these two events, you were involved with
both of them.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
The highlight for you though, is obviously the Macho Man
promo here with you and him, because it's a monumental
moment and if anyone should watch something, it should be
that moment.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
Correct, Yeah, yeah, Well, and also just that that whole storyline,
how they pulled it off, and the genius of Jake,
who wasn't original, He didn't you know, everybody had their
own way they delivered things. Randy of course had his,
but Jake was a whole different animal. I mean, wait,

(01:03:58):
his whole thing was and that slow burn. You know,
I'm thinking last you know, and you're just like, oh wow,
he just sucked you right in. You want to hear
every word. And I believed it. You believe everything he
was saying. Whatever he thinks he was some sick jerk
or whatever he was, but man, uh he was intense.

(01:04:20):
That's so that whole storyline. But of course, yeah, that
you get a chance to check out that promo and
now you know, now you know the behind behind the
scenes on this that I hope it makes it even
more more interesting for you to take a look at.
But just really a masterclass between the two of them,

(01:04:42):
two of the best of the business ever and cutting promos.
Hope some of the new guys, you know, go back
and take a look at some of these guys because
they were they were masters at it, and it's it's
really it's really great to go and and that I'm
enjoying this so much going back as I'm doing deep
dives into some of this and because I forget a
lot of them and I'm like, wow, wow.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Well we will all remember now that vincec Man has
no idea what wrap up means, and we also remember
the classic macho man Jake the snake Roberts storyline. But
you know, it's been a pleasure talking to you again
about this Tuesday in Texas. Of course, last week with
Farbusiers Andy One, we capped it off together here and
you know, next week we'll maybe do a fan choice
see what people think, because so far we're enjoying the

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So check it out Primetime with Sean Mooney and start listening.

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