April 12, 2024 • 22 mins
Hold onto your hats because we're cracking open the American Privacy Rights Act – a piece of legislation that's causing quite the stir. Will it be the superhero the privacy community has been waiting for, or is it a wolf in sheep's clothing? We dissect the nitty-gritty from data minimization to opt-out rights and ponder the act's potential global ripple effects on data protection.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Privacy, Please.
I am your host, Gabe Gumbs, andwith me my homie, my man, my
ace, Cameron Ivey.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yes, gabe, with the intro, I love it.
Oh, this is um.
We always seem to have somekind of like a freeze glitch in
the beginning which cracks me up.
But whatever, we're good nowhow are you?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm well, I'm well, I was, I was, I was introducing
you as, as you heard, and uh,and so I was gonna ask you how
are you?
I'm good?
Yeah, there's a little travelwary.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Um, I'm getting back to normal now.
I think, yeah, yeah, whereyou've been, where you've been,
what have you been up to?
Ah, I went to uh, went to dc,met some folks, saw some people
in person for the first time.
That was wild, I mean any shoutouts.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Any shout outs, would you say yes, dish, dish um.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
So I saw um jeff.
Jeff was at the after party.
Hey, Jeff.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, shout out to.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Jeff Heidi Sass was there as well.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
She had a little tiny top hat on.
I know and I miss seeing Heidiin person.
Hello, Heidi.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, she is.
She is something else.
Obviously, we had her on thepodcast and she's just a
character in herself, just great, great person all around.
That's awesome.
I actually saw Kay, but Ididn't get a chance to talk to
her because I saw her on theother side of the room when the
drag show was happening and shewas dressed up like she had a
(01:39):
full attire on for theWonderland?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah, it was fabulous .
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I did not get to see.
I didn't get to see her, butI'm so disappointed.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I didn't get to to to the c for the show for
specifically that reason.
Like I saw the pictures online,I was like I am so jealous
right now.
I hope cam's having a greattime up there.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I'm so oh yeah, it was fun a lot, a lot of good
outfits too, and just a lot ofjust people, just good stuff.
What color?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
was your tutu?
What color was your tutu?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I didn't have one on, but if I were to, you know what
?
If I go next year, I'll dressup as Jim Carrey from Ace
Ventura when he's wearing thetutu.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
There it is.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
And the button-up shirt that would be perfect,
that's perfect.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Or I would rock that and the button-up shirt that
would be perfect, that's perfect.
Or I would rock that.
Jim carrey 1995.
Varicosa from in living colorit's going to require you
exposing a little bit more ofyou.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
You may require some privacy are you talking about
veer de milo?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
no, you, oh man, the youngins you don't even know.
Okay, all right, I going to putyou up on this one.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Okay, yeah, you got to send that to me, but I know a
lot of his skits from In LivingColor.
The Vera DeMilo one is the onewhere he's like oh it is Vera
DeMilo, you're right.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she also goes by Veracosa.
Oh, that's so good, you arecorrect, you are familiar with
the Jim character.
That's the one you have to go,as that's the one you have to go
as I'm going to have to.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
That's a good point.
I mean, he's got like thelittle pigtails and he's got the
pigtails.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
He's got the coconut.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
The speedo.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
With the pants on Right.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
With the sports bra or whatever.
That's the one.
Oh, it's no sport, actually nota bad idea, it's the best idea
I've had all day for what it'sworth.
Well, now you can call it a day.
Yeah, everything else there wasgreat.
Um, running into a lot ofawesome people, people that
listen to the podcast um, thatwas really neat, you know,
getting to be around privacynerds.
Um, it was.
It was a real, real good time.
A lot of good stuff.
Obviously, the talk was aboutAI.
I think Kashmir Hill was there.
Joy Bala I forget how topronounce her last name, bala
(03:54):
Mwe, I'm not even going to tryto mess it up again.
A lot of good people, a lot ofgood speakers Just good stuff.
Got to meet Trevor Hughes.
He's the CEO of IAPP Nice guy,speakers, just good stuff.
Uh, got to meet uh trevorhughes he's the ceo of iapp nice
guy, lots of good stuff, goodshout outs.
Um, I also met with uh mary umover at data grail, so a lot of
(04:15):
good.
Uh finally got to meet her inperson.
Everybody just did a lot ofgood stuff going on in privacy.
So, um, yeah, but the biggest,the biggest news obviously, is
this past weekend was thebipartisan or the data of the
American Privacy Rights Act.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So that that's let's talk, let's talk about it, let's
talk about it, let's put it,let's put it in the hot seat.
And this week, this week.
So it's a little later in theweek already by the time we
release this, so, but we'restill going to do a reaction
Monday or, in this case, just areaction Reaction Friday
whatever.
Reaction Friday.
It doesn't freaking matter.
What I'm looking for, though,is I'd like to get your reaction
(04:53):
to the passing of this billover the weekend.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
There's two sides to it.
First of all, it was kind oflike at first I didn't realize
it was just a write-up.
So it was kind of excitingbecause it seemed like there was
a lot of excitement in the airright.
And then you got both sides ofeverything.
People are kind of shrugging atthe fact that you know this is
there hasn't been but what 47laws passed in this year.
(05:18):
They feel like Congress haskind of called quits on mostly
everything and that this isn'tgoing to be anything serious.
It's just going to be anotherfraction and it's going to go
away and they're going to haveissues that just kind of push it
further out and like it alwaysdoes.
I think they had that what wasit?
(05:39):
Adpa back in 22.
I want to kind of challengethose people that are a little
bit more.
It seems like they're a littlesour towards, obviously, the way
congress does things, which I Ican understand, but I mean,
this is exciting but but followme, or allow me to follow you in
this one yeah so there arefolks that already have
(06:02):
formulated some opinions on this.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
And what are some of those opinions?
Specifically Because you'rekind of highlighting some of
them and I want to call out someof those opinions.
And they are those.
They're opinions and we're notknocking opinions on the show,
right?
We're here for everyone'sopinion.
Don't at me.
You know the rules, you knowthe rules.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You know the rules, if this is your first, time.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
don't at me, Do not.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I know none of us.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
But what are some of those opinions out there?
I mean, some that I'm seeingare just that.
You know, this is not somethingto get Basically shooting down.
People that are, you know,organizations and people in the
industry that are excited aboutsomething like this, which is
fair because it is early on inthe process.
It's a discussion about thedraft.
They're having one on the 17th.
(06:49):
It's going to be the firstsession about the draft, but I
think people are just so.
They just want to kind of likenegativity is going to stand out
more than positivity.
So you know why not always havethat mindset of trying to bring
something down.
I think, looking at it in apositive way, like this came out
of nowhere number one I don'tremember what when ADPA came out
(07:14):
in 22.
I don't know if it was like outof nowhere, but I think there's
some kind of agenda that'sbeing pushed to try to get this
passed or something like we had.
There's a realistic chance.
This was never in sight.
Nobody knew this was going tohappen.
So something's trying to bepushed by someone and you know
there could be um, some inoffice that are going to be
ending their term this year.
You know, trying to make achange before they head out,
(07:36):
some kind of big, you knowparting gift basically for for
uh, america, I guess.
But this is this?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
is that this?
Is that three o'clock on friday?
Oh shit, I better get some workdone before the weekend, is
that?
Is that what this is?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
maybe.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, this is the congressional version of fuck
mom's about to come home.
I better tidy this place up.
No-transcript.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Right and it's nice to see that there's actually a
push or at least a discussion, aserious discussion, about an
actual US privacy law.
Yes, there could becomplications when it comes to
the California Consumer PrivacyAct because people are not just
that one.
I'm just calling it out becauseit's very well known in the US,
(08:56):
so it could make complicationsfor state laws that are already
in place.
So those are the preemptions,those are the worries that other
people have, which is totallyunderstandable.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I mean that seems slightly unfounded.
Our entire union is predicatedon the fact that states have
their own rights.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I don't want to go into that conversation, but I
have a confession.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Confess yourself Indeed rights right to go into
that conversation right, but Ihave a confession I, I, I did
indeed it is.
You came to the right place.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
It is nine nine thousand and nine thousand nine
hundred and ninety nine dayssince my last well, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Do you have to place your hand on the right hand, on
the bible?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I don't really know how the whole thing works yeah,
okay, anyways.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, we do have a privacy.
We need to get a privacy bible.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I don't know what they make you do in that booth.
It's a booth you go in.
I don't.
I'm not really sure, butthere's definitely privacy in
there, I presume.
I presume here's my.
Here's my confession I'm in theapathy corner.
Um, I don't know, I don't knowthat, I don't know how strong
they am in the apathy corner,but like, I get the sentiment of
like right, like right.
I agree with you wholeheartedlythat a discussion is a good
(10:08):
place to start and it's betterthan no discussion, right?
But the privacy discussionbegan in like 95 when we signed
hibba into law, right, arguably,it began well before that,
obviously, and and so, like, I'm100% on your side with this.
But allow me to be the voice onthis show that says don't want
(10:30):
Cameron.
So what's your response?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Why do I care?
Okay, and you were around a lotlonger, so you were around when
all of that was happening.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Hey, now hey now, hey now.
I'm not saying.
You know what I'm saying.
I was, though.
This is true.
I was.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
So in your time, have you ever seen anything like
this?
Nope, so that's what I'm saying.
That's a good point.
This is progress.
That's the view that I'm saying.
This is a great point.
This view that I'm saying thisis a great point.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
This is progress.
It is progress and it alsocould just be fluff, but but
it's stirring the conversationand we, we, we at bare minimum,
can't not talk about it, right,that's fair, I mean it's like.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
It's like saying oh well, I um, I talked to this,
this woman or man the other dayand they seemed interested in me
and uh, they said, maybe we cango on a date, let's talk about
it.
You're gonna just be like, nah,you're just gonna like, not try
, you know what I mean or beexcited about it.
I don't know, that's a terribleanalogy, but um it is.
(11:32):
It is for introverts we'regonna, we're gonna, we're gonna
cut that out?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
No, we're not Again.
If you're new here, that's notgetting cut out of you.
You're going to hear all ofthat.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
But yeah, I think, just like the bill itself or the
draft itself, there's two sidesof the coin that are, I think,
respectable to be open to, interms of it's a double-edged
sword with, if it's a bill thatpasses, it's a double-edged
sword for bills that are alreadyin place for single states, and
(12:07):
also, um, the other way around.
But, like for for I lost trackof what I was trying to say the
ones that don't have any billsin place yeah, I mean, I think
like you were not many left,yeah gdpr and and the eu like
that's.
That's that's where my apathystems from yeah, we want to get
(12:27):
to that point.
Yeah, it's like come on.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Guys already like like seriously, like we, we
already were standing aroundwatching the rest of our our you
know, peers on the nation levelanyway make far more progress
on this than we are.
So much so that they look at usand they're like well, we need
to be careful with our dataaround you, guys because you
(12:52):
guys don't really talk muchabout how you protect things.
There's no real rules around howyou guys protect things.
So you know we don't reallytrust you.
And, by the way, the threelargest hyperscale cloud
providers all happen to be USorganizations, right?
So Google, aws, microsoft andso like.
(13:13):
That's where a significantnumber of all amount, I should
say, of all of the world's datais at this point, right Like a
healthy number of it, a healthyamount of it.
I keep doing that.
A healthy number of it, ahealthy amount of it, I keep
doing that.
A healthy amount of it existsin that area and the world
doesn't trust that.
You know, there there are no.
There are no governing rules tohow we do things I and I
(13:34):
privacy right.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I think a lot of this out of nowhere push is
definitely probably behindartificial intelligence.
I think those people it's scary.
It's because they probably arehiding things too and they want
to try to protect those thingsas well.
That's another thing that Ithought of and that might be
(13:58):
shots fired right there.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I mean they have a lot to hide.
That's of course, it's true.
I mean she wouldn't, butwouldn't it, but wouldn't it
behoove them to pass stricttheir privacy laws, because then
they could hide?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
that's what I'm saying is that they don't.
They don't want us to be ableto have that inherent privacy
well, maybe they're looking atthis p did Diddy thing and
they're going.
Maybe we need to push thisprivacy law so we can protect
ourselves.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
That shit has not been a secret for the better
part of 20 years.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
No amount of privacy laws was going to keep that
secret, and why is it now comingout right?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
You got to ask the people that make cash off of
that one.
I'm on the follow the moneyteam with this one.
I'm on the follow the moneyteam.
I'm on the follow the moneyteam with this one.
I'm on the follow the moneyteam.
We've seen similar nonsense inthe entertainment industry.
Forever right, like a lot ofquote, open secrets, a lot of
open secrets.
In the privacy world, there areto be no open secrets, there
are only to be secret secrets.
(14:55):
Ooh, secret secrets, secretsecret.
I got a secret Secret secret.
Who sings that Domo?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
arigato, I got a secret Secret secret.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Who sings that Domo Arigato, Mr Roboto.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Ah, yes, yes, yes, I was testing you, you have passed
.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Young warrior.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
What's the name of the song, MrRoboto?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
The group that sings it is Styx S-T-Y-X.
The song is Mr Roboto.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I'm familiar with that.
Yeah, Well, let me ask you this, because without knowing too
much about it yourself.
So you seem to be on.
You can kind of, I'm on teamapathy.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Am I even ashamed to say that out loud?
I don't know I should be.
I should be because I'm anadvocate and I'm supposed to be
an ally and a fighter for it.
So I am.
But, maybe my apathy takes awayfrom that.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Let me tell you what the provisions of this act is,
what they're trying to go for.
So it's around dataminimization, opt out, rights
for targeted advertising anddata access.
So it's it's definitely likedata security provisions and
national data broker registryand also prohibition of man uh,
(16:15):
mandatory, uh, arbitrations,arbitrations, arbitrations,
sorry, not arbitrations.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
No, it's all good, I'm following.
No, it's all good, I'mfollowing.
Look, I like some of thesethings.
I like a lot of these things.
Mandatory arbitration, seems Icould argue that both ways.
The data broker registry yeah,I mean, there's part of me that
really questions the legitimacyof data brokers as an industry.
Like I get it, but I don't knowif.
(16:46):
Yeah, no, I like it.
Look, I, I like it all.
It's.
It's the place to start.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
It's the place to start of course, it's nice to
see that there's an effort forit, and the fact that it came
out of nowhere leaves a lot ofquestions why, why now?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
dropping on a weekend .
Slowing, yeah, dropping on aweekend.
What is this a?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
what are you?
A freaking movie coming out,just coming out of nowhere, on a
weekend surprise release.
It is fascinating, though, andit sparked.
It sparked a lot of discussions, so it's going to be
interesting to keep our eye onand for those listening, uh
doing a live stream.
Yeah, doing doing a live streamnext Thursday.
(17:28):
Um, to recap this firstdiscussion draft that they're
going to have on the 17th.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
So drop, drop that link in the chat drop that link
in in in the post, in the post.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I'll drop.
I'll drop it in the post, butIn the post I'll drop it in the
post.
Anyways, it's super.
I mean it's nice to see thatthere's movement.
I don't know, I mean I haven'tseen anything like this since
I've been.
You are correct.
Nor have I.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
And so I applaud that .
I do, I do applaud that I willtake off my team apathy jersey
and I will put on my team.
I support this jersey.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
The rah-rah jersey.
I'm, I'm here, it's okay.
It's okay to have both.
So if you need to like, flip itinside out to switch when you
know apathy is not going to getus anywhere.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
That like we got to stay strong, we got to stay
strong in the fight you got to,yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I think the message here should be all of us in the
privacy community should bepushing to put more pressure on
Congress to make this happenthere it is.
Don't let this become anothership in the wind or flag in the
wind, or whatever the heck thatsaying is.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
This is not the time for us all to start not caring
or having that level of apathy,for this is not the time.
Agreed, I'm changing my jersey.
You've changed my mind, sir.
Not caring or having that levelof apathy for like this, this
is not the time.
So, agreed, I'm changing myJersey.
You've changed.
You've changed my mind, sir,changed my mind.
I'm on, I'm on, I'm on team.
Let's get this shit going.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Well, if anybody has questions or whatever, just
shoot them.
Shoot them to us.
Happy to to dig in a little bitmore and if you have more on
this, I'd love to hear from youtoo, if you got criticism, go
ahead and hold them.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, throw it at us.
Wait what?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
all right, fine, we're not, we're not afraid of
it.
Are we gonna see it and hear it?
Maybe not, I don't know werespond.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Depends on how petty I'm feeling that day.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, it depends on if the what is it Soothsayer
there?
It is Salty Soothsayer, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Sometimes he comes out.
I like the Salty Soothsayer.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
He's all right.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Well, folks, this has been another episode of Privacy
.
Please, with yours truly,cameron Ivery and Gabe Guffs, I
hope you turn back in, tune backin.
If it's your first time here,welcome.
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Don't forget to hit the likebutton, tell your friends, share
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Thanks, gabe, we'll see you,man.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Privacy, Please.
I am your host, Gabe Gumbs, andwith me my homie, my man, my
ace, Cameron Ivey.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yes, gabe, with the intro, I love it.
Oh, this is um.
We always seem to have somekind of like a freeze glitch in
the beginning which cracks me up.
But whatever, we're good nowhow are you?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm well, I'm well, I was, I was, I was introducing
you as, as you heard, and uh,and so I was gonna ask you how
are you?
I'm good?
Yeah, there's a little travelwary.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Um, I'm getting back to normal now.
I think, yeah, yeah, whereyou've been, where you've been,
what have you been up to?
Ah, I went to uh, went to dc,met some folks, saw some people
in person for the first time.
That was wild, I mean any shoutouts.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Any shout outs, would you say yes, dish, dish um.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
So I saw um jeff.
Jeff was at the after party.
Hey, Jeff.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, shout out to.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Jeff Heidi Sass was there as well.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
She had a little tiny top hat on.
I know and I miss seeing Heidiin person.
Hello, Heidi.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, she is.
She is something else.
Obviously, we had her on thepodcast and she's just a
character in herself, just great, great person all around.
That's awesome.
I actually saw Kay, but Ididn't get a chance to talk to
her because I saw her on theother side of the room when the
drag show was happening and shewas dressed up like she had a
(01:39):
full attire on for theWonderland?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah, it was fabulous .
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I did not get to see.
I didn't get to see her, butI'm so disappointed.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I didn't get to to to the c for the show for
specifically that reason.
Like I saw the pictures online,I was like I am so jealous
right now.
I hope cam's having a greattime up there.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I'm so oh yeah, it was fun a lot, a lot of good
outfits too, and just a lot ofjust people, just good stuff.
What color?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
was your tutu?
What color was your tutu?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I didn't have one on, but if I were to, you know what
?
If I go next year, I'll dressup as Jim Carrey from Ace
Ventura when he's wearing thetutu.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
There it is.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
And the button-up shirt that would be perfect,
that's perfect.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Or I would rock that and the button-up shirt that
would be perfect, that's perfect.
Or I would rock that.
Jim carrey 1995.
Varicosa from in living colorit's going to require you
exposing a little bit more ofyou.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
You may require some privacy are you talking about
veer de milo?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
no, you, oh man, the youngins you don't even know.
Okay, all right, I going to putyou up on this one.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Okay, yeah, you got to send that to me, but I know a
lot of his skits from In LivingColor.
The Vera DeMilo one is the onewhere he's like oh it is Vera
DeMilo, you're right.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she also goes by Veracosa.
Oh, that's so good, you arecorrect, you are familiar with
the Jim character.
That's the one you have to go,as that's the one you have to go
as I'm going to have to.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
That's a good point.
I mean, he's got like thelittle pigtails and he's got the
pigtails.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
He's got the coconut.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
The speedo.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
With the pants on Right.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
With the sports bra or whatever.
That's the one.
Oh, it's no sport, actually nota bad idea, it's the best idea
I've had all day for what it'sworth.
Well, now you can call it a day.
Yeah, everything else there wasgreat.
Um, running into a lot ofawesome people, people that
listen to the podcast um, thatwas really neat, you know,
getting to be around privacynerds.
Um, it was.
It was a real, real good time.
A lot of good stuff.
Obviously, the talk was aboutAI.
I think Kashmir Hill was there.
Joy Bala I forget how topronounce her last name, bala
(03:54):
Mwe, I'm not even going to tryto mess it up again.
A lot of good people, a lot ofgood speakers Just good stuff.
Got to meet Trevor Hughes.
He's the CEO of IAPP Nice guy,speakers, just good stuff.
Uh, got to meet uh trevorhughes he's the ceo of iapp nice
guy, lots of good stuff, goodshout outs.
Um, I also met with uh mary umover at data grail, so a lot of
(04:15):
good.
Uh finally got to meet her inperson.
Everybody just did a lot ofgood stuff going on in privacy.
So, um, yeah, but the biggest,the biggest news obviously, is
this past weekend was thebipartisan or the data of the
American Privacy Rights Act.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So that that's let's talk, let's talk about it, let's
talk about it, let's put it,let's put it in the hot seat.
And this week, this week.
So it's a little later in theweek already by the time we
release this, so, but we'restill going to do a reaction
Monday or, in this case, just areaction Reaction Friday
whatever.
Reaction Friday.
It doesn't freaking matter.
What I'm looking for, though,is I'd like to get your reaction
(04:53):
to the passing of this billover the weekend.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
There's two sides to it.
First of all, it was kind oflike at first I didn't realize
it was just a write-up.
So it was kind of excitingbecause it seemed like there was
a lot of excitement in the airright.
And then you got both sides ofeverything.
People are kind of shrugging atthe fact that you know this is
there hasn't been but what 47laws passed in this year.
(05:18):
They feel like Congress haskind of called quits on mostly
everything and that this isn'tgoing to be anything serious.
It's just going to be anotherfraction and it's going to go
away and they're going to haveissues that just kind of push it
further out and like it alwaysdoes.
I think they had that what wasit?
(05:39):
Adpa back in 22.
I want to kind of challengethose people that are a little
bit more.
It seems like they're a littlesour towards, obviously, the way
congress does things, which I Ican understand, but I mean,
this is exciting but but followme, or allow me to follow you in
this one yeah so there arefolks that already have
(06:02):
formulated some opinions on this.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
And what are some of those opinions?
Specifically Because you'rekind of highlighting some of
them and I want to call out someof those opinions.
And they are those.
They're opinions and we're notknocking opinions on the show,
right?
We're here for everyone'sopinion.
Don't at me.
You know the rules, you knowthe rules.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You know the rules, if this is your first, time.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
don't at me, Do not.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I know none of us.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
But what are some of those opinions out there?
I mean, some that I'm seeingare just that.
You know, this is not somethingto get Basically shooting down.
People that are, you know,organizations and people in the
industry that are excited aboutsomething like this, which is
fair because it is early on inthe process.
It's a discussion about thedraft.
They're having one on the 17th.
(06:49):
It's going to be the firstsession about the draft, but I
think people are just so.
They just want to kind of likenegativity is going to stand out
more than positivity.
So you know why not always havethat mindset of trying to bring
something down.
I think, looking at it in apositive way, like this came out
of nowhere number one I don'tremember what when ADPA came out
(07:14):
in 22.
I don't know if it was like outof nowhere, but I think there's
some kind of agenda that'sbeing pushed to try to get this
passed or something like we had.
There's a realistic chance.
This was never in sight.
Nobody knew this was going tohappen.
So something's trying to bepushed by someone and you know
there could be um, some inoffice that are going to be
ending their term this year.
You know, trying to make achange before they head out,
(07:36):
some kind of big, you knowparting gift basically for for
uh, america, I guess.
But this is this?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
is that this?
Is that three o'clock on friday?
Oh shit, I better get some workdone before the weekend, is
that?
Is that what this is?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
maybe.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, this is the congressional version of fuck
mom's about to come home.
I better tidy this place up.
No-transcript.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Right and it's nice to see that there's actually a
push or at least a discussion, aserious discussion, about an
actual US privacy law.
Yes, there could becomplications when it comes to
the California Consumer PrivacyAct because people are not just
that one.
I'm just calling it out becauseit's very well known in the US,
(08:56):
so it could make complicationsfor state laws that are already
in place.
So those are the preemptions,those are the worries that other
people have, which is totallyunderstandable.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I mean that seems slightly unfounded.
Our entire union is predicatedon the fact that states have
their own rights.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I don't want to go into that conversation, but I
have a confession.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Confess yourself Indeed rights right to go into
that conversation right, but Ihave a confession I, I, I did
indeed it is.
You came to the right place.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
It is nine nine thousand and nine thousand nine
hundred and ninety nine dayssince my last well, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Do you have to place your hand on the right hand, on
the bible?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I don't really know how the whole thing works yeah,
okay, anyways.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, we do have a privacy.
We need to get a privacy bible.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I don't know what they make you do in that booth.
It's a booth you go in.
I don't.
I'm not really sure, butthere's definitely privacy in
there, I presume.
I presume here's my.
Here's my confession I'm in theapathy corner.
Um, I don't know, I don't knowthat, I don't know how strong
they am in the apathy corner,but like, I get the sentiment of
like right, like right.
I agree with you wholeheartedlythat a discussion is a good
(10:08):
place to start and it's betterthan no discussion, right?
But the privacy discussionbegan in like 95 when we signed
hibba into law, right, arguably,it began well before that,
obviously, and and so, like, I'm100% on your side with this.
But allow me to be the voice onthis show that says don't want
(10:30):
Cameron.
So what's your response?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Why do I care?
Okay, and you were around a lotlonger, so you were around when
all of that was happening.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Hey, now hey now, hey now.
I'm not saying.
You know what I'm saying.
I was, though.
This is true.
I was.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
So in your time, have you ever seen anything like
this?
Nope, so that's what I'm saying.
That's a good point.
This is progress.
That's the view that I'm saying.
This is a great point.
This view that I'm saying thisis a great point.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
This is progress.
It is progress and it alsocould just be fluff, but but
it's stirring the conversationand we, we, we at bare minimum,
can't not talk about it, right,that's fair, I mean it's like.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
It's like saying oh well, I um, I talked to this,
this woman or man the other dayand they seemed interested in me
and uh, they said, maybe we cango on a date, let's talk about
it.
You're gonna just be like, nah,you're just gonna like, not try
, you know what I mean or beexcited about it.
I don't know, that's a terribleanalogy, but um it is.
(11:32):
It is for introverts we'regonna, we're gonna, we're gonna
cut that out?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
No, we're not Again.
If you're new here, that's notgetting cut out of you.
You're going to hear all ofthat.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
But yeah, I think, just like the bill itself or the
draft itself, there's two sidesof the coin that are, I think,
respectable to be open to, interms of it's a double-edged
sword with, if it's a bill thatpasses, it's a double-edged
sword for bills that are alreadyin place for single states, and
(12:07):
also, um, the other way around.
But, like for for I lost trackof what I was trying to say the
ones that don't have any billsin place yeah, I mean, I think
like you were not many left,yeah gdpr and and the eu like
that's.
That's that's where my apathystems from yeah, we want to get
(12:27):
to that point.
Yeah, it's like come on.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Guys already like like seriously, like we, we
already were standing aroundwatching the rest of our our you
know, peers on the nation levelanyway make far more progress
on this than we are.
So much so that they look at usand they're like well, we need
to be careful with our dataaround you, guys because you
(12:52):
guys don't really talk muchabout how you protect things.
There's no real rules around howyou guys protect things.
So you know we don't reallytrust you.
And, by the way, the threelargest hyperscale cloud
providers all happen to be USorganizations, right?
So Google, aws, microsoft andso like.
(13:13):
That's where a significantnumber of all amount, I should
say, of all of the world's datais at this point, right Like a
healthy number of it, a healthyamount of it.
I keep doing that.
A healthy number of it, ahealthy amount of it, I keep
doing that.
A healthy amount of it existsin that area and the world
doesn't trust that.
You know, there there are no.
There are no governing rules tohow we do things I and I
(13:34):
privacy right.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I think a lot of this out of nowhere push is
definitely probably behindartificial intelligence.
I think those people it's scary.
It's because they probably arehiding things too and they want
to try to protect those thingsas well.
That's another thing that Ithought of and that might be
(13:58):
shots fired right there.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I mean they have a lot to hide.
That's of course, it's true.
I mean she wouldn't, butwouldn't it, but wouldn't it
behoove them to pass stricttheir privacy laws, because then
they could hide?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
that's what I'm saying is that they don't.
They don't want us to be ableto have that inherent privacy
well, maybe they're looking atthis p did Diddy thing and
they're going.
Maybe we need to push thisprivacy law so we can protect
ourselves.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
That shit has not been a secret for the better
part of 20 years.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
No amount of privacy laws was going to keep that
secret, and why is it now comingout right?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
You got to ask the people that make cash off of
that one.
I'm on the follow the moneyteam with this one.
I'm on the follow the moneyteam.
I'm on the follow the moneyteam with this one.
I'm on the follow the moneyteam.
We've seen similar nonsense inthe entertainment industry.
Forever right, like a lot ofquote, open secrets, a lot of
open secrets.
In the privacy world, there areto be no open secrets, there
are only to be secret secrets.
(14:55):
Ooh, secret secrets, secretsecret.
I got a secret Secret secret.
Who sings that Domo?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
arigato, I got a secret Secret secret.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Who sings that Domo Arigato, Mr Roboto.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Ah, yes, yes, yes, I was testing you, you have passed
.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Young warrior.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
What's the name of the song, MrRoboto?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
The group that sings it is Styx S-T-Y-X.
The song is Mr Roboto.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I'm familiar with that.
Yeah, Well, let me ask you this, because without knowing too
much about it yourself.
So you seem to be on.
You can kind of, I'm on teamapathy.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Am I even ashamed to say that out loud?
I don't know I should be.
I should be because I'm anadvocate and I'm supposed to be
an ally and a fighter for it.
So I am.
But, maybe my apathy takes awayfrom that.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Let me tell you what the provisions of this act is,
what they're trying to go for.
So it's around dataminimization, opt out, rights
for targeted advertising anddata access.
So it's it's definitely likedata security provisions and
national data broker registryand also prohibition of man uh,
(16:15):
mandatory, uh, arbitrations,arbitrations, arbitrations,
sorry, not arbitrations.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
No, it's all good, I'm following.
No, it's all good, I'mfollowing.
Look, I like some of thesethings.
I like a lot of these things.
Mandatory arbitration, seems Icould argue that both ways.
The data broker registry yeah,I mean, there's part of me that
really questions the legitimacyof data brokers as an industry.
Like I get it, but I don't knowif.
(16:46):
Yeah, no, I like it.
Look, I, I like it all.
It's.
It's the place to start.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
It's the place to start of course, it's nice to
see that there's an effort forit, and the fact that it came
out of nowhere leaves a lot ofquestions why, why now?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
dropping on a weekend .
Slowing, yeah, dropping on aweekend.
What is this a?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
what are you?
A freaking movie coming out,just coming out of nowhere, on a
weekend surprise release.
It is fascinating, though, andit sparked.
It sparked a lot of discussions, so it's going to be
interesting to keep our eye onand for those listening, uh
doing a live stream.
Yeah, doing doing a live streamnext Thursday.
(17:28):
Um, to recap this firstdiscussion draft that they're
going to have on the 17th.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
So drop, drop that link in the chat drop that link
in in in the post, in the post.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I'll drop.
I'll drop it in the post, butIn the post I'll drop it in the
post.
Anyways, it's super.
I mean it's nice to see thatthere's movement.
I don't know, I mean I haven'tseen anything like this since
I've been.
You are correct.
Nor have I.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
And so I applaud that .
I do, I do applaud that I willtake off my team apathy jersey
and I will put on my team.
I support this jersey.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
The rah-rah jersey.
I'm, I'm here, it's okay.
It's okay to have both.
So if you need to like, flip itinside out to switch when you
know apathy is not going to getus anywhere.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
That like we got to stay strong, we got to stay
strong in the fight you got to,yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I think the message here should be all of us in the
privacy community should bepushing to put more pressure on
Congress to make this happenthere it is.
Don't let this become anothership in the wind or flag in the
wind, or whatever the heck thatsaying is.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
This is not the time for us all to start not caring
or having that level of apathy,for this is not the time.
Agreed, I'm changing my jersey.
You've changed my mind, sir.
Not caring or having that levelof apathy for like this, this
is not the time.
So, agreed, I'm changing myJersey.
You've changed.
You've changed my mind, sir,changed my mind.
I'm on, I'm on, I'm on team.
Let's get this shit going.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Well, if anybody has questions or whatever, just
shoot them.
Shoot them to us.
Happy to to dig in a little bitmore and if you have more on
this, I'd love to hear from youtoo, if you got criticism, go
ahead and hold them.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, throw it at us.
Wait what?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
all right, fine, we're not, we're not afraid of
it.
Are we gonna see it and hear it?
Maybe not, I don't know werespond.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Depends on how petty I'm feeling that day.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, it depends on if the what is it Soothsayer
there?
It is Salty Soothsayer, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Sometimes he comes out.
I like the Salty Soothsayer.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
He's all right.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Well, folks, this has been another episode of Privacy
.
Please, with yours truly,cameron Ivery and Gabe Guffs, I
hope you turn back in, tune backin.
If it's your first time here,welcome.
If it's not, welcome back.
Don't forget to hit the likebutton, tell your friends, share
, and we'll see you here nextweek.
Thanks, gabe, we'll see you,man.
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