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November 27, 2024 47 mins

In this episode, I sit down with Dr. David Woods, a leading expert in resilience engineering and complexity science, for the first of a two-part conversation. Together, we explore the interplay between resilience, complexity, and systems thinking, diving into how these principles intersect with W. Edwards Deming’s transformative ideas on quality and continual improvement.


Dr. Woods introduces the foundational concepts of resilience and highlights its critical importance in an era marked by rapid digital transformation. We discuss how organizations in IT, healthcare, and manufacturing can adapt to unforeseen challenges by fostering resilient systems capable of anticipating, absorbing, and recovering from disruptions. Connecting these insights to Deming’s framework, Dr. Woods emphasizes the need for leadership to shift focus from static efficiency to dynamic adaptability.


Key themes in this episode include:

  • Resilience in Action: Real-world examples of how organizations have successfully implemented strategies to thrive under complexity.
  • Complexity and Systems Thinking: The dangers of oversimplifying complex systems and how embracing uncertainty can drive innovation.
  • The Role of Leadership: How leaders can cultivate an environment that values learning, experimentation, and Systemic Thinking, echoing Deming’s principles of profound knowledge.


Dr. Woods’ expertise provides a thought-provoking lens for understanding how organizations can prepare for the unexpected while staying true to the pursuit of quality and improvement. Part one lays a strong foundation for the continuation of our discussion in the next episode, where we’ll delve deeper into practical strategies and case studies.

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