October 28, 2025 • 66 mins
A research ship crashes where no one is supposed to look, a cyborg refuses to quit after 65 years in the dark, and a billionaire prodigy turns dying children into something new. We dive into Alien: Earth season one with fresh eyes, unpacking how five corporations quietly replaced governments and why a hushed catastrophe on an island could plausibly vanish from public record. The tension isn’t just xenomorphs; it’s power, secrecy, and the dangerous confidence of people who think they can outsmart biology.
We get personal about the tech and the ethics. Mr. Morrow’s brutal focus makes cyborgs feel older and meaner than the synthetics we know, while hybrids—children’s minds in synthetic bodies—force real questions about identity and consent. The Peter Pan motif reframes it all: Boy Kavalier as a twisted Peter who won’t let his “lost boys” grow, and Wendy as the caretaker they choose for themselves. That angle turns set pieces into stakes. We talk Kirsh quoting Asimov’s first law, then sidestepping it by redefining who counts as human; Slightly’s coerced choices and Arthur’s heartbreaking fate; and how canon threads might actually strengthen the corporate motive behind the Nostromo’s detour.
Then the world gets bigger and stranger. We break down mineral-eating organisms, a carnivorous plant that swallows victims whole, and the Eye—a sentient parasite that puppets hosts and changes the battlefield. Wendy’s escalating abilities and uncanny bond with a xenomorph push the envelope, but they also highlight an old Alien truth: the tools you build to control life end up controlling you. By the finale, the power players are caged, the kids claim their names, and the island keeps its secrets. If you love sharp worldbuilding, messy ethics, and bold swings that spark debate, this is the conversation you’ll want in your queue.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Alright, alright, alright.
Welcome back to ProjectGeekology, episode 138.
I'm one third of your host,Dakota, and today we have an I I
think, personally, I think wehave an excellent show planned
for you.
It's the culmination of ouralien discussion.
You literally are listening tothree super fans of this series.
(00:22):
New to the series, super fans.
I mean, some of us have, youknow, been around for ages, but
we've actually been studyingthese films for uh the past
eight or nine weeks at thispoint, and I think we can all
safely say that we are aliensuper fans.
Um, and we are going to beclosing our discussion with
Alien Earth season one.
So uh that is gonna be anawesome discussion.
(00:44):
Again, I'm one third of yourhost, Dakota.
SPEAKER_02 (00:45):
I'm joined as always with Anthony, and I I thought I
thought that this week we werecovering Peter Pan.
Did I did I watch the wrongshow?
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (00:57):
Ah yeah, you you watched the wrong show.
Uh we're we're still on Alien.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02):
Dang it.
Well, I guess, you know, if Italk about anything Peter Pan
related, then you know, I'msorry.
But yes.
And uh joining us as always isRich, whose bit was stolen.
SPEAKER_01 (01:15):
I I I literally was like, alright, so how am I gonna
jump in here?
And I'm I'm gonna say that weare talking about Peter Pan and
make believe that we're notcontinuing the franchise that
we've been talking about forweeks.
And uh I have I'm not that quickon my feet, so I'm just excited
to talk to you guys about AlienEarth.
I'm really amped up about it.
(01:36):
I have lots of questions.
So uh, I mean, we we really I Ineed some answers, guys.
I need some answers.
We have no more content.
This is like when I readsomebody introduced me to the
Harry Potter books before likeright as the sixth one came out.
So I read all of them and thesixth one.
And then I was like, so when'sthe next one?
They're like, oh, it's gonna belike two years.
I was like, two why would you dothis to me?
(01:58):
Two years.
Uh I am I am I am like likeupset with you guys, right?
The uh the upset because I Iwant to know, you know, I want
to see Riley come back, youknow.
SPEAKER_02 (02:10):
Don't we all?
Don't we all?
But but yeah, Rich, uh it waswas the bit stolen when it
belongs to the company?
Was it really stolen?
SPEAKER_03 (02:18):
I like that.
There's so many companies.
SPEAKER_02 (02:21):
Yeah, I I agree with you, Dakota.
I think that the show's gonna begood.
It really is like theculmination of like everything
that we've been watching, andyou know, like we we get a lot
of good in this show.
I can't wait to talk about it.
But before we do that, let ustalk about what we have been up
to.
Dakota, what have you been upto?
It's been a while since you'vegone first.
SPEAKER_00 (02:42):
Yeah, uh, I mean, here's the thing.
When I fixate on something,because that's my my that's my
particular flavor of I don'tknow if it's ADHD or autism or
whatever, whatever spectrum Ifall into, uh, I'm undiagnosed,
obviously, but whatever spectrumI fall into, I tie I tend to
(03:03):
hyperfixate on things for longperiods of time, and it's very
difficult for me to get out ofthat hyperfixation.
So I'm really into alien rightnow.
It's hard for me to watchsomething like uh Star Wars.
It's hard for me to jump awayfrom Alien and go into Star
Wars.
So once I get into Star Wars,it'll be hard for me to get into
anything else.
So right now I'm on an alienfix.
I started reading the AlienIsolation uh novelization.
(03:27):
Uh Alien Isolation was a videogame from I think like 10 or so
years ago that uh followsRipley's daughter.
Um, which I know you guys didn'twatch the special edition of
Aliens kind of.
The special edition of Alienshas that one offline where
Ripley says that, you know, likeI had a daughter, her name's
(03:49):
Amanda Ripley.
You know, I was supposed to sayI was supposed to show up when
she was 11, uh, and she nevercould because she ended up being
adrift in space for 57 years,and her daughter ended up dying
in that time period.
So this is the game where welearn that uh Ripley's daughter
went out in search for her, anduh potentially, no spoilers
(04:11):
because I actually haven't evengot there yet, potentially she
meets a couple xenomorphs uhalong the way.
So we we shall see.
I'm excited about it.
I just started it today, and um,yeah, other than that, I
listened to the Aliennovelization or the Alien
Resurrection novelization, uh,which was the last of the film
novelizations that I had neverlistened to.
And that was fun.
I I have a little bit morerespect for that film now.
(04:35):
And yeah, uh, that's that's myhyperfixation that I'm allowed
to you know listen to while I'mat work, while I'm mindlessly
plugging in outlets, uh, dayafter day, uh light fixtures in
my electrical job.
Yeah, that's that's what I'vebeen up to besides Alien Earth.
Obviously, a couple uh episodesof Smallville sprinkled in
there, but that's but that'spretty much it, guys.
(04:56):
Um gonna throw it over toAnthony.
What the heck has that guy beenup to?
I don't know.
SPEAKER_02 (05:01):
I I I I actually have been like I've been really
enjoying the the Alien seriesI've been or like you know the
Alien Earth, so I I feel likeI've been spending a good bit of
time on that.
Um and then also like preppingfor my my trip, you know, I have
uh I'm gonna be gone for acouple of weeks, so you know,
(05:22):
there's a you know, there's apossibility that some somewhere
in that time we may go a weekwithout an episode, you know.
Maybe hopefully Dakota and Richthrow an episode in there.
You know, it's uh I haven't beentold anything.
I don't know uh, you know, ifthey will, if they won't, we we
shall see.
(05:42):
But um but yeah, no, I'm excitedto go on my trip and you know
just get some uh nice relaxationin.
SPEAKER_00 (05:49):
Um as far as whether or not uh Rich and I will carry
on the pod in your absence, benot afraid, my child.
We will do something.
I was thinking persona five.
SPEAKER_02 (06:03):
Oh man, that would be hilarious.
But honestly, to tell you thetruth, look, if if if I have to
sacrifice being on that episodeto finally get Dakota to play
the game, then you know I I Ishall, you know, I I sh I shall
sacrifice that, you know.
SPEAKER_01 (06:20):
I I'll tell you the only reason I said that is
because as I was going throughuh because this ties both of you
guys together because I wasaimlessly going through the
PlayStation store and I needed afix and I wrote Alien in and I
was really looking hard at AlienIsolation, but before I got to
Alien Isolation, as I was goingthrough the suggested games, one
(06:41):
of them was Persona 5.
So that's when I was like, thatthat's the episode we're gonna
do while Anthony's away.
SPEAKER_02 (06:48):
That's uh see see Persona 5's is trying to pull
you in.
But yeah.
So so yeah, Rich, what what haveyou been up to?
SPEAKER_01 (06:56):
Well, I I as we uh always do, we have about a
three-hour combo before we startthe show.
Uh no, but I uh I did get toregal the guys with the fact
that I I was able tosuccessfully keep a 75-inch TV
on the wall.
I won my fantasy baseball leaguethis year, and with my winnings,
I basically said to my wife,well, to be fair, there was a a
(07:17):
very wide column in the centerof my screen, which made play
playing baseball difficult.
Every other game where it justfelt like you were like you just
had the shade in your eye andyou just had to go around it.
So I I replaced it.
Uh, it is transformative.
I went from a 50 inch to a 75inch.
In terms of my room, it'sprobably uh Ray Bar
(07:38):
Bradbury-esque.
Like it it it almost seems likethe future, like it shouldn't be
this big.
Uh Red Dead You've entered thethe Vites.
I'm not gonna lie to you guys,the most the biggest boon to
this TV is that when I playedRed Dead, you know, I always had
a hard time getting finding thesquirrels.
And it's just like the the thesize of the TV, how far it was
(07:58):
away, whatever.
I had a really hard time huntingfor the smaller game, and I
couldn't complete my satchels.
My goodness, guys.
I can see a squirrel like it's alife squirrel.
Like like it's just like it's ait's a cr it's right there
across the street.
It is it is crystal clear.
I'm at killing so manysquirrels, rats, uh it's uh it's
pretty awesome.
(08:18):
I'm not gonna lie.
I'm pretty excited.
SPEAKER_02 (08:20):
R Rich, are you are you on single digits or double
digits in uh playthroughs of uhRed Dead 2?
SPEAKER_01 (08:27):
I think I crossed into my double.
Yeah, because I like I said, Iwas gonna get the alien game,
and then I realized I remindedmyself or remembered that I know
I told you guys I don't likehorror movies, and I watched
this whole thing with you,right?
But I really don't like horrorgames.
Like other than Resident Evil,and I stopped playing them
because they got too scary forme.
(08:48):
Uh I don't like horror games.
That's not that's not what Ithink.
It is a horror game.
Yeah, I don't want to pay and Idon't want to pay money to be
like I honestly that's not athat's not an enjoyable I want
to hunt squirrels, you know.
Like I want to play poker forfive hours in strawberry uh with
random guys there and drinkwhiskey in my actual life.
I don't I don't my my gaming isnot for for fear.
(09:11):
Like I I can't understandable.
SPEAKER_00 (09:13):
I totally get it.
SPEAKER_02 (09:14):
I feel I feel like alien isolation though is
scarier than like the actualcontent that we watch though.
SPEAKER_01 (09:21):
Oh really?
SPEAKER_02 (09:21):
Yeah, I mean let's be real, like alien is horror
light.
Yeah, it's not like full-onhorror.
You know, that like there's notreally many jump scares.
Um, I mean, there is dread, butlike I I don't know, like it's
not the kind of dread that makesyou anxious like other horror
(09:42):
movies do.
Like Jeepers can be.
You know, it can make you alittle anxious, but not like I I
would say Romulus was probablylike the one that had me like,
you know, when uh IsabellaMerced's character was like
behind the door and you're like,you know, and she's like kind of
looking at this thing as it'semerging.
That was like I was like, ooh.
But um, but yeah, no, I alienisolation is definitely
(10:06):
something that would uh raisethe blood pressure.
SPEAKER_01 (10:09):
Okay.
Thank you for that.
SPEAKER_00 (10:10):
Think thank you for that because I don't I don't
wanna I don't wanna I'm contentwith my novelization of the
game.
Apparently it's actually a veryfaithful com uh novelization and
it gets into the the mindset ofAmanda Ripley, the character,
really well.
So I'm I'm I'm enjoying it.
I've already shed a tear or two.
Um it's actually like kindadepressing.
(10:32):
Like it's uh no, it's it's verydepressing because like we've
always seen Ripley's side of thelike point of view.
We know that she had a daughterat some point.
We don't really ever think abouthow the daughter felt about her
being away for 57 for her entirelife.
But this shows what that waslike.
They they like do a wholeflashback chapter to her just
(10:53):
never coming back, and it's it'sjust terrible because she's like
10 years old, and yeah, it'sjust it's just a it's a horrible
time.
Um, but it's it's a goodnovelization so far, and I'm
excited to continue it.
But uh, but yeah, Rich, I'm veryhappy for you.
I'm happy for your TV.
I'm happy that it's up on thewall to your liking.
Yeah, that's that's the mostimportant part.
SPEAKER_01 (11:13):
I'm telling you, it's I I got I told you guys I
got Mario Odyssey.
I I I threw that up there.
Woo! You can wear Pancho and asombrero, like amazing.
I love that game.
Uh I it is a really good one.
I know I'm like 12 years behindor something, but if you haven't
played it and your son happenedto give you a Switch 1 for no
reason, Odyssey's great.
SPEAKER_00 (11:33):
It's so much fun, man.
SPEAKER_02 (11:34):
Yeah, let me go ask my son for uh a Switch 1, you
know.
SPEAKER_01 (11:40):
Let me do that too.
Oh man.
Should we jump into Switch 2 toget the Switch 1 though?
And the Switch 1, ironically,you also bought.
So like, oh man.
So either way, so technicallyyou make twice.
SPEAKER_02 (11:53):
Yeah.
Now I'm not ready to jump intoAlien Earth.
I'm ready to crash land intoAlien Earth.
SPEAKER_00 (11:59):
Yeah, let's get cooked.
SPEAKER_02 (12:00):
Okay, see what I did before we get cooked.
Crash land.
SPEAKER_00 (12:02):
I I I see what you did there.
Guys, if you have not watchedAlien Earth season one, that
reference may have been lost onyou.
Basically basically the ship atthe beginning of this show, the
uh I think it's the USS uhMaginot or Maginot.
(12:23):
There's an alien breach onboard, the whole crew is dead
except for a cyborg who like youknow hides himself away inside
the the interior of the ship'suh like crash chamber or
whatever, and it crashes rightinto planet Earth, um, into
territory not owned by WhalandUtani, even though it was a
(12:43):
whaland Utani ship, and thatstarts the whole drama that we
see in this series.
And I want to start off withthat, you know, like this show
doesn't just show us thecompany, it it actually doesn't
really even focus on thecompany.
The the you know, whaland Utaniis an ever-present, you know,
force in the background of thisshow, but we're actually shown a
(13:04):
new uh an entirely new we'regiven a lot of new lore,
actually.
Uh it it it basically suggeststhat there are five corporations
that run the world.
You know, it's it they arerulers of the world.
There are no more governmentstructures as we know them
today, but in 2120, there arefive, they they call them the
(13:25):
five, you know, they're the fivecorporations, and one of them is
Weyland Utani, the other one isProdigy that the show revolves
around.
And then Amazon and Disney,right?
And Walmart.
We can't forget Walmart.
SPEAKER_02 (13:37):
Um, you know, honestly, I really, really liked
that the show brought that upbecause you remember when we
first started this series, wewere talking about like, you
know, what is the company?
You know, it they're they'realmost governmental, you know.
Before we got the Weylin Utani,and then back then it was
Weylin, not Weyland uh Uttani.
(14:00):
Remember?
And so I remember we were kindof like speculating, like, you
know, what what are these whatwhat is it?
It's like very governmental.
And then, you know, we were kindof speculating, like, well, you
know, apparently there's nogovernment around, so obviously
this company is the govgovernment.
And you know, we were prettyclose on the mark because it's
(14:21):
it's not just one company, it'sfive companies.
But they they explained how theregular government just wasn't
getting the job done, but thesefive companies rose up and got
the job done.
So I I really do like that wegot the that lore, that expanded
lore that that uh kind ofexplains why these companies
(14:43):
have so much power.
SPEAKER_01 (14:44):
But at the same time, like I wish we had like a
fourth person on the show whocould like explain the timing of
everything, right?
Because I I just don'tunderstand this.
Like so, to my knowledge, thisis only a couple years before
the Nostromo goes out towards LV446.
I don't I think I'm wrong onthat.
(15:04):
426, yeah.
Okay.
So this is only a couple yearsbefore that, right?
Yes, and to our knowledge, thisentire time, I felt like uh and
Riley and sorry, Ripley'smission, right, was to make sure
at some point that the aliensnever reach Earth.
SPEAKER_00 (15:21):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (15:22):
However, we not only find out that an alien reaches,
a xenomorph reaches Earth, butwe find out that I mean we'll
talk about that eye.
That eye, all right, but we findout that multiple aliens, like I
don't understand it seems likethe and and grant granted, this
they they had to change a littlebit of stuff, but it seemed like
(15:44):
the entire crew of the Nostromoseemed except for um our good
friend uh Bilbo, right?
Like everybody was surprised bythe fact that there were these
aliens.
SPEAKER_00 (15:56):
Right.
Alright, so we we have to likewe have to play around with what
individuals know, basic levelemployees, you know, like uh we
understand that the big playersof the the world, we have Utani
and we have Cavalier, who knowabout the alien's existence.
(16:17):
These are the only two of thefive that have uh extensive
knowledge on what the cargo wasthat the Maginot was bringing
back.
The Maginot was bringing backcargo from their 65-year
journey.
So they they visited severalplanets, picked up a couple
species along the way.
One of them, presumably, well,one of the planets that they
(16:40):
presumably stopped at was LV426.
It's actually a uh a moon, um,technically in a forest in alien
lore.
It's not a forest moon,actually, it's uh very barren.
Um but they do uh we we we dohave the cyborg character say
that it was a faraway moon.
So most likely that is the placethat they picked up the
(17:03):
xenomorphs, uh, was LV426, priorto the Nostromo ever going
there.
This show does confuse somethings on the timeline.
I don't think that thatnecessarily is one of them.
You just have to kind ofunderstand that the the crew of
the Nostromo would haveabsolutely no idea.
So they left Earth right aroundthe time that this show was
(17:23):
taking place, right?
They left Earth in about 2120 togo to Thetis, which was a mining
colony.
On their way back from Thetis,going back to Earth, they were
diverted to this faraway mooncalled LV426.
That's where the SOS thing washappening.
Um, that they picked up thefirst xenomorph.
(17:43):
But, you know, right around thetime that they were leaving
Earth is when the Maginotcrashed, and most likely the
majority of the Earth neverfinds out about this alien
infestation that appears on thisisland.
As of right now, that's thecase.
As of right now, that's thecase.
SPEAKER_02 (18:00):
Yeah, uh honestly, I feel like it's believable
enough.
You know, if it was in themiddle, it you know, if the
aliens spread out in the middleof the city, it would be a
tougher sell.
But the fact that they weremoved over to this island, and
for the most part, dude,everybody that most of the
people that witnessed the aliensdied.
(18:23):
Except for like, and we don'tknow the fate of the you know,
the the people who who stillsurvived towards the end, but
yeah, Utani obviously wouldn'tbe blabbering that there were
these aliens that that shebrought to to Earth, right?
And the fact that all of whatyou know, and by the end, I mean
(18:43):
we we see we'll we'll talk aboutthe ends, but for the most part,
it would make sense that WeylandUtani would need like some sort
of you know, they're likethey're sending these people
out, you know, we're having ahard time getting our specimens
back, we need to get more.
So, I mean, to me it makessense.
Am I wrong in believing or am Iwrong in saying that I that it
(19:06):
is believable that nobody wouldfind out about this because all
of this happened on a prettysecretive island?
SPEAKER_00 (19:13):
I don't think you'd be, you know, I don't think
anyone holds you accountable forthat.
I I do think that it's extremelybelievable that uh this never
broke out of containment,basically.
You know, like there was clearlythis event on this island that
was hushed up.
Um we can already like kind oftell that this is going to be a
hushed event because they'rebasically going aga both Utani
(19:37):
and Cab uh Prodigy are goingagainst um their own
governmental like structureswhere they're like kind of
breaching the uh the the stuffthat they have going on.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (19:50):
Right, like um Prodigy stealing the specimens,
and then the specimens werebringing being brought to Earth
when they weren't supposed to bebrought to Earth.
Like they're supposed to bebrought to some you know, they
they said that they were goingto be brought to some off-world
research station, but was thatreally gonna happen?
Probably not.
SPEAKER_00 (20:10):
Right.
It's kind of like you know, ifif there was like a UFO that uh
crash landed in the desert inthe US and the government
retrieved it, and so on and soforth.
This may have happenedcanonically in the real world,
but we the people do not knowthat this happens.
We will probably never know thatthis happened unless you know
(20:32):
this is like leaked to the thegeneral populace.
So it's one of those things,like it's it's need to know
information, and thisspecifically doesn't um hurt
anything like Nostromo-wise.
Actually, I think it makes thecase for the Nostromo even
(20:52):
stronger because up to thispoint we don't know how the
company knew to divert theNostromo from their their
travels to LV426.
We don't know why they put Ashon board to make sure that they
uh kept the the specimens alive.
(21:14):
Now we kind of do because we wehave Utani who now realizes that
oh man, we need these things forour weapons division.
Um other companies are startingto like become wise to the fact
that xenomorphs exist, likeProdigy.
We need to you know send anothership out to get some specimens
(21:37):
back, and this is the first onethat's in that quadrant or
whatever.
And that's okay.
That works.
So now it all kind of clickstogether a little bit.
SPEAKER_01 (21:46):
That then I basically needed like you know,
like the kind of timelinefixing.
Uh I'm I know you're a littlebit of an amateur with the
timeline stuff, but like I I'mnot very good at it, but I I do
I do a I dabble a little bit.
Do you have a place where any ofus who are maybe are interested
in the alien timeline could gocheck out any information?
(22:06):
Like can you point us in theright direction?
SPEAKER_00 (22:08):
Unfortunately, I don't have a YouTube channel
named Geek Critique, um, where Iam currently working on an
eight-part video series fromAlien to Alien Earth, uh, in
which I have written andrecorded my second part on
aliens.
Uh and I have yet to uh releasethat.
But no, I don't have I don'thave a channel like that.
Maybe if I come up withsomething, we'll we'll put it
(22:29):
out, we'll put it down in theshow notes.
Um I'll I'll figure somethingout.
Uh there are some timelinemistakes though, or things in
the timeline that need to bewrapped a little neater, uh, I
should say.
So we have the Magino who thatthat has been on a 65-year
(22:50):
journey.
That's confirmed at this point.
65?
Not 67.
SPEAKER_01 (22:54):
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm not doing a bit here.
Like it isn't uh isn't that animportant number for us?
60 yeah.
I'm not being funny.
SPEAKER_00 (23:02):
Like I th I 65 is actually an important number.
Um uh we we spoke about it on aprevious podcast.
In the Aliens novelization byAlan Dean Foster, uh, we find
out that anything longer than 65years in cryo sleep or
hypersleep, whatever you want tocall it, is bad for the body.
The body starts to deteriorate.
But going back to Alien Earth,Wayland Utani did not exist as a
(23:27):
company 65 years prior to 2012.
Because we found out in like the21 or the the 2090s in
Prometheus that it was justWayland Corporation or Wayland
Industries, I forget what thename was, but um, so that is
interesting because that thatdoes change the potential uh
(23:49):
directory going backwards uhwith this timeline.
Are they suggesting thatPrometheus and Covenant are not
canon?
I know that um the uh creatorsof the show were kind of I I
think they dismissed a lot oflike what they didn't want to
deal with within like theprequels, which was like the the
(24:09):
black goo and all that.
I don't think they wanted todeal with any of that, so I
think they just kind of likedisregarded it in their minds.
But there is a way to make thiswork.
So we have uh the cyborgcharacter.
I I keep forgetting his name,but um yeah, Morrow, Mr.
Morrow.
I don't know how I forgot that.
That's such a great name, too.
They have Mr.
Morrow, who is who has a directline to Yutani, and he keeps
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saying Yutani throughout most ofthis.
So that leads me to assume thatthe Maginot was a Yutani
research vessel prior to Utaniand Weyland coming together, and
at some point they received, youknow, like I'm sure for a
65-year mission they requiredmultiple um like care packages.
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And I I'm assuming they got newgear that said Weyland Utani on
it.
They, you know, they they got awhole fix-up for their the the
Wayland Utani upgrade,basically.
Right.
Um so that's the way that onthat mission.
SPEAKER_02 (25:09):
Oh, I'm sorry.
Before he had left on thatmission, um it was like her
grandmother that was in charge.
SPEAKER_00 (25:15):
Yeah, so it was still he was still dealing with
the Utani family at this point.
That's the way I I look at that,because uh instead of dealing
with Peter Wayland, which hewould have dealt with if it was
a Wayland Utani thing, he wasdealing with strictly Uttani.
And he still is, because theUttanis now own the Wayland
Corporation at this point in thein the history.
(25:37):
But yeah, so that's that'sthat's one thing that I think
should be patched over if theyever do a second season.
You know, just to like there'sno reason for them to completely
dismiss Prometheus and Covenant.
They can ignore certain aspectsof it, but they shouldn't just
completely make itnon-canonical.
I don't think that there's anyvalue in that.
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I think that makes the universea little bit smaller.
There's there's a line that um Igotta pull up the cast list
because I'm I'm I'm fallingshort here.
Uh Timothy Olafant's character,Kersh.
SPEAKER_02 (26:11):
That was cool seeing him in there.
I was like, oh my gosh, what'sthis guy doing?
SPEAKER_00 (26:15):
Olafant is such a great, he has such a great face,
dude.
He's so like it's such a classyface.
It's always it's a pleasure tosee Timothy Olafant in anything.
SPEAKER_02 (26:25):
And he did a really good job in like being that like
kind of Calus Synth-likecharacter, you know, that scene.
SPEAKER_00 (26:31):
Yeah, I have some comments about him.
Yeah, I have um he he says aline in this that really
confused me.
He said, like, uh, you know,that Wendy has the potential to
discover faster-than-lighttravel.
And I'm thinking to myself, waita minute, we definitely already
have faster-than-light travel.
There's no way you can make itto LV426 without
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faster-than-light travel.
Like, it's just not possible.
Like the Nostromo, two yearsfrom now, coming coming back
from LV426, is moving like 14times faster than the speed of
light.
Like, it's it's they have tohave it.
Like, it's just it's it's suchit's a weird line.
Anyway, the the way we cancalculate that is because they
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give us like an actualreal-world star system, Zeta 2
reticular, um, in the firstmovie.
So by using that star system andfiguring out how many light
years away that is, you cancalculate okay, they have a
10-month journey.
Um, in 39 point something lightyears, it takes them 10 months,
they're going about 14 times thespeed of light.
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So that's that's how we we knowthat they're able to travel
faster than light, you know.
So it's weird that the Maginotdoesn't have it or they don't
know that they have it yet.
Uh, it's it was a weird line.
So I'm just gonna disregard itbecause it doesn't make any
sense.
There was something Let's talkabout the synths and the hybrids
guys.
SPEAKER_01 (27:52):
I think as we we go through the conversation, we
have to remember that the thethe showrunners or whatever of
Alien Earth, I read somewherewhere they said, like, yeah,
we're gonna, you know, followstuff, but at the end of the
day, the alien fans are not as Iforgot the word he used, but
essentially the the sentimentwas you know, they're they're
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not so held down by specificexact rules of the lore.
So essentially, like they kindof said, We're gonna observe
some and we're gonna ignoreothers or change it if we want.
SPEAKER_00 (28:28):
Yeah.
Anyway, um I do respect that tosome degree because uh I do
think all alien stuff has addedand changed lore from the
previous thing.
Yeah like that's that's a that'sa thing that's always happened.
Yeah, but um so long as it allworks together, that that's what
makes it a cohesive hole.
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Um let's let's uh dial backbecause we've had synthetics,
we've had robots, we've hadandroids, they're all the same
thing.
But now we have something new.
We have two things that are new,actually.
They they introduced cyborgs,which are humans augmented with
uh machine-like parts, whichprobably predates synthetics.
Uh because Mr.
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Morrow, a cyborg, left 65 yearsago uh on the Maginot.
That would mean that he predatedthe first synthetic, which was
David.
So cyborgs probably predatesynthetics, which is pretty
cool.
That works in the timeline.
What do we think about Mr.
Morrow and uh his his umaugmentations?
(29:32):
I yeah, what what what are ourthoughts?
T went.
SPEAKER_02 (29:35):
It's cool.
It's cool.
I I I like I like that that hischaracter exists because not
only does he have like kind ofthat that cold kind of like
machine type of he he can kindof like become synth like but he
also has like the street smartsof like a human being.
(29:58):
Like he he can like you you sawhow he tricked um slightly, you
know?
Aurush, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (30:05):
Yeah, I feel so bad for that guy.
SPEAKER_02 (30:07):
So yeah, I did too.
But like I mean, like you know,the the the there there was some
charisma there, like, you know,hey, you want to be my friend,
right?
That kind of thing.
Dude, I mean Mara was hischaracter was that guy had some
candy in his van.
SPEAKER_01 (30:23):
Um he's uh uh he's a tough guy I thought he was
really cool right like aconstruction you know um kind of
T1000 like where he just likeyou know there's that one point
where he pulls up the sword uhwhich you know I I'm not gonna
lie like I I the I like uh I II'd like to know like a
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definition of what the cyborgcan do I guess like it's almost
like the T1000 like annoyed mein Terminator 2 because I was
like what you could just doanything like and then until
like Arnold was able to like hecould take any shape but it
can't be something that is amechanical item you know like
then I understood it a littlebit more I I kind of wish I
would have had a little bitabout that.
(31:06):
But yeah like like what Anthonywas saying about how he's
callous you know and we we doget those scenes with you know
his his daughter but it stillseems like he's just like well
if I had to waste my life I'm atleast gonna do my job the right
way which is just like the thelevel of dedication that man
gets so much juice like pouredon him like before they crash
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like it's crazy and you wouldthink that would be enough for
him not to want to do more andhe does more like he's like no
I'm gonna keep helping you Imean it was um he's a very
interesting character hismotivations I think are so
different in this franchise youknow because he's not uh he's
not a complete synth uh like Ashbut he still has that dogged uh
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you know I'm gonna I'm gonnafinish the mission type type
thing you know yeah it's acertain determination that he
has that we don't really seefrom any of the human characters
previously uh I mean we havecharacters like Burke in Aliens
who will do anything to make abuck but we don't have anyone as
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like cruel and vicious andmaniacal and kind of twisted in
some ways as this guy Mr.
SPEAKER_00 (32:20):
Morrow which is kind of strange because like he crash
landed.
He could have easily disappearedand Yutani would have been none
the wiser you know like he hecould have just never shown up
again and you know made his ownlife and that would be the end
of his mission.
But I guess then he would haveforfeited all of his pay so
probably wouldn't have been agreat idea.
(32:40):
Yeah.
Um so I guess he did need it Ihe did waste 65 years of his
life on this so he might as wellyou know ah finish the job
whatever yeah I I I see I seehis I'm I'm starting to like
like come around to like hisrationale as we as we speak.
SPEAKER_02 (32:57):
But yeah I I think it was just his left arm that
was mechanized right I I thinkhe he had uh just just his left
arm had uh cyber parts I I thinkhe had cybernetics like in his
head too because he hadconnected um you're right yes
yes yes yes he like he haddownloaded from the ship dude
his moment in the like the shipcommand center kind of reminded
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me of Ash when he was like inthe command center like kind of
uh taking over commands of thethe ship and like you know
letting the company know thatthat the specimens are going to
be safe kind of that kind ofthing that that that really
reminded me of of that scene orthat moment in uh the first
alien movie but yeah he was hischaracter was was in really
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interesting and I liked thatthey had him I like that they
had like it was almost like aprogression you know and and it
actually it it shows um the inthe beginning of the show it
talks about how pe how humansare trying to achieve
immortality and cyborg was oneof them hybrid was what like you
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know like transferring the mindto uh to a synthetic so that was
that was one and I forgot whatthe third one was uh synthetic
cyborg and hybrid okay yeahwhich which I I which I thought
was weird because syntheticswere kind of just robots and
then hybrids were actually humanbut like their mind in a
(34:30):
synthetic yeah so we gotta wegotta talk about hybrids because
this is the first time in thealien franchise where we are
getting the notion that humanscan create a transhumanist uh
experience where they put theirconsciousness into something
that will live past them andwe're given like I think it's uh
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six kids who have terminalillness illnesses and their
minds are just moldable enoughwhere they're able to make the
journey into a synthetic.
SPEAKER_00 (35:01):
We don't know how truthful the boy cavalier was in
that respect.
We don't know that like adultscan make the the jump I'm I'm
sure given enough time theycould figure that out they said
something actually at one point.
SPEAKER_01 (35:16):
I don't know if it was like the third or fourth
episode but I I believe it wassaid that this can't be done
with adults that it can only bedone with children because
something about their mind iskind of more accepting.
So I I feel like they tried todo this with adults and there
was like a um it sounds likethere was a mental inability for
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the mind to accept process andaccept this situation and the
kids were the most malleablekind of like how kids can
supposedly like in some thingslike see ghosts and things where
the adults can't.
SPEAKER_00 (35:55):
Alright so we we have uh a couple kids the the
primary kid is one named Marcyshe has uh terminal cancer of
some sort um she's the first ofher kind and she is led to the
body of a an adult syntheticthat uh g she ends up calling
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Wendy because she happened to bewatching uh a clip from the
Disney movie Peter Pan um andyou know now's a good time to
like bring up Peter Panreferences throughout the entire
show because that seems to bethe overarching theme of the
entire first season is theparallels to Peter Pan.
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We have Boy Cavalier uh the theowner of the Prodigy company
who's a trillionaire uh geniusinventor whatever um he's
basically the boy who uh nevergrew up he's Peter Pan he has
kidnapped children so that theycan be children forever until
they are no longer willing to bechildren basically and that at
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the end of the series we havethem leave Neverland.
Presumably we we don't actuallysee them leave Neverland but you
know I'm assuming that thechildren will leave Neverland uh
because there's nothing therefor them anymore they are
choosing to grow up or grow outof the cage that Peter has
brought them in.
And you know the the the actualstory of Peter Pan is a
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children's tale and Peter Pan'skind of like a hero-ish
character but the the themes ofthe story are quite dark if you
really get down to to you knowbrass tacks with it peter pan
does kidnap children you knowlike peter pan isn't he isn't a
wholly good character like therethere is personal gain in
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whatever he does you know likeuh but it so it's it's an
interesting parallel and I Ithey I I really really really
liked the fact that they werereading passages from Peter Pan
throughout the course of theshow as the kids would go to
sleep.
I just thought like this is sucha fun way to introduce these
concepts narratively in an alienseries series.
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And even like the the maincharacter Wendy she's basically
the mother of the Lost Boys andwe you know we've been talking
about motherhood throughout theentirety of the alien franchise
you know that's that's a themethat has existed since the since
the very first movie.
And now we have Wendy Darlingthe the mother of the lost the
the lost boys and I I just I waskind of blown away by it I think
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that they did a really reallygood job of just tying all of
this together um in a meaningfulway and a lot of the kids you
know like they they had theirPeter Pan Lost Boy names that
they eventually kind ofabandoned.
You know one by one they kind ofstarted going by different names
or their their old name and I Ithought that was kind of that
was just it was cool.
It was it showed that eventhough they were in the bodies
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of synthetics they were showingindividuality which surprised
Cavalier which you know everytime that Cavalier was surprised
it made me so happy because hissurprise always came at his own
detriment.
SPEAKER_02 (39:03):
And yeah what what are your what are your thoughts
on the Peter Pan stuff thehybrid synthetics uh anything uh
Anthony let's let's start withyou he uh it it's it's funny
that he would find somethinglike that surprising because
like sure they are synthetic butthere is at least a piece of
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humanity that is in there withthem transferring the human
mind.
The whole idea is to prolong aperson's life by transferring
their mind over.
So obviously they're gonna havesome sort of identity to who
they were because that's theirmind is pretty much where you
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know the person resides likewhere like where the person's
personality and and everythingabout them is in the mind, you
know?
So that that really shouldn'thave come to a surprise but yeah
you know and and yeah he wouldhave surprises like um you know
with like the the eyeball alienand some of the some of the
other aliens that and it endsyeah it just ends up kind of
(40:09):
biting him in the butt in theend but he almost kind of you
you know I will say that withhow immature he could be he kind
of took the ending like a manlike it's just like I've been I
I've been uh I've been outplayedpretty much because you saw his
reaction in the end right likeit wasn't like he wasn't pissed
(40:30):
off he was just like well I gotplayed yeah it was almost like
he he lost a game you know buthe thought this this was a f uh
an effing interestingconversation you know like he he
had he finally got hisinteresting conversation at the
end uh Rich what are yourthoughts on this whole thing all
right well first of all uh Dimestore Timothy Chamelet Timothy
(40:56):
Chamelet uh over here TimothyChalon uh he I when he walked
into the meeting with uh Utaniand my man listen I don't care
what the future is like allright at least we're crocs like
what are you doing what are youdoing walking around barefoot
like it just it adds to his Idon't know if we can use this
(41:19):
word I don't know douche-nesslike it I greatly despise him
altogether he is horriblyobnoxious curious to the point
of danger just like a scientistwith no morals but not even a
(41:41):
scientist just literally like achild almost with these fanciful
ideas and then it's weirdbecause he's so childlike but he
treats he has no compassion atall for what I will call his
creations right he he just seesthem as a a means to an end and
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uh I thought that uh well I Idon't know why I noticed this I
I sp I told you the other daybut the the the actress who
plays like the mom of all thethe hybrids she was the uh you
know she was like in theMummer's farce in Game of
Thrones and I I always thoughtshe was like so good in that
little scene where Arya tries tokill her and here uh you know
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damn near fifteen years or sosince she was there I I thought
she did a great job here it wasvery convincing I thought her
acting was great throughout youknow as you get towards the end
you could see how she's gettingmore and more disheveled.
SPEAKER_01 (42:41):
I felt like she really cared for these children
as as as weird as that soundslike I bought it you know like
she whether it's true or notlike she felt like they were her
kids.
And I was convinced of that.
SPEAKER_00 (42:56):
Yeah you're talking about uh esse davis is the
actress's name she played damesilvia in this in this series
yeah she did a she did afantastic job one one of the
like really interesting thingsthat I don't think they were
really expecting I don't thinkuh dollar store Timothy Chalamet
um was expecting the rebellionof the the synthetics he thought
(43:23):
that you know like this was agift that I'm giving you I'm
giving you life you know likeyou you repay it by staying on
the island forever and doing mymy will but um their
individuality came at a costthey weren't they did not have
the minds of the synths they didnot have the programming of the
synths they were still childrenbut you gave them the the bodies
(43:45):
of superhuman you know like theycould jump higher take a lot
stronger hits they could uh werethey were a lot stronger and
that became a very terrifyingthing for a lot of people
including Dame Sylvia when uhone of the one of the girls uh
skib claimed that she waspregnant nibs claims that she
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was pregnant and that was aterrifying scene because it's
just like what does this meanlike this is like such strange
psychological behavior and youknow you do see this in kids
that have like post-traumaticstress um you know like that
that is a thing that like somesome kids do or start suggesting
when they have a mental breakyou know and that clearly is
(44:28):
still a possibility with thesynthetic bodies you know they
can still have those mentalbreaks and it was terrifying
when you know she almost killeduh Dame Sylvia right then and
there um even though I do thinkthat dame Sylvia and her husband
Arthur cared to some degree forthe livelihoods.
(44:49):
Well I think Arthur definitelycared um for for the the
children um the wife was wasmore the eager scientists
willing to you know like pushthe boundaries of science.
Yeah yeah sorry I don't want totalk too much but uh what I I do
want to talk a little bit aboutlike Mr.
Morrow and Slightly and hisconnection with Slightly you
(45:13):
know I I think that that is areally I don't know if it's a
strong point of the show butit's it's definitely a tense
point of the series.
Like you you have this loomingthreat of Mr.
Morrow potentially killing hisreal world parents if he doesn't
get a xenomorph to uh you knowpop up basically you know like
(45:33):
if he doesn't kill a a humanhost.
Uh what are what are ourthoughts on this whole
interaction with Mr.
Morrow and Slightly and all thatAnthony?
SPEAKER_02 (45:43):
It was pretty tense I I think that that was kind of
like the the turning point inthe in the show and you really
started to see the the crackswere starting to get wider you
know in in like the whole hybridyou know because now you have
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this child that has kind of alla lot of power right and they're
able to kind of like do whateverthey want and honestly like you
guys were talking about howArthur was caring for the kids
like I kind of felt bad for hisfate in this whole situation
(46:24):
between uh slightly and morrowyou know he becomes the the
guinea pig that scene that scenewhere like they're on the beach
and he can tell that thechildren are lying and he's just
like kids need to learn how tolie and I know that you guys are
lying let's let's go back I forI forgive you you know like
we're gonna work this out I feltso bad for you because you knew
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right then and there this guywas gonna die.
SPEAKER_00 (46:48):
And I was just like this poor guy this the one
person that this genuinely doesnot deserve to to happen to on
this series is is the guy that'sgonna get it.
Oh man that that really thatreally tore me apart that scene.
Rich what are your thoughts onthe whole slyly morrow Arthur
conundrum?
SPEAKER_01 (47:09):
Well there's just a couple so obviously it was you
know kind of upsetting to towatch the way it was rolling out
and the way he was being uhblackmailed there were just a
couple things I thought were alittle a little too neat about
kind of all that like just theidea that he wouldn't tell
anybody at all was a little bitlike off uh I thought that what
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is the guy uh Timmy Oliphant uhhim trusting Isaac to take care
of the the specimens was just avery non-synthetic solution to a
problem right like we have totalk about his character next
yeah because like there'ssomething weird going on because
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with uh like a a lot of okay sofor example right if he doesn't
trust Isaac then uh slightlyessentially doesn't get the
opportunity to follow through ona plan that I thought was
ambitious on the side as a partof the side like I know the
cyborg was blackmailing himright but like I don't know
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trying to think of a non-meanway to say this but how like
it's crazy to me that Morosbelieved that Slightly could not
only like unleash the xenomorphbut then like then put it on a
human host then drag the host tothe beach within this time frame
right like so much had to goexactly right that it just it
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that bothered me a little bitand I wasn't completely annoyed
by it until I'm sorry I can'tremember his name but Timmy uh
Timothy Oliphant's character'sbehavior with Isaac right
because then Kershame the Idon't I really don't understand
like Kirsch's approach rightlike it's like what are you
(48:56):
doing bro Kirsch is an is ananomaly throughout this entire
series for a number of reasons.
SPEAKER_00 (49:01):
We know that he's synthetic we know that he for
some reason hates this cyborgMr.
Morrow we don't know if they'veever met I doubt that they ever
have prior to this this seriesbut we know that Kersh has been
listening to to Mr.
Morrow's uh whisperings inslightly's ears all this time
(49:22):
and I think that he found itinteresting I think he found it
like fascinating from ascientific point of view like
what would happen so he almosttreated that these these these
children like a scienceexperiment but he also treated
this whole thing as if it were atrap for Mr.
Morrow.
He knew that Mr.
Morrow was going to come to theisland at some point and that
(49:43):
was the greatest threat toProdigy's control of whatever
situation they have going on.
So he brought Mr.
Morrow to the island so that hecould capture Mr.
Morrow.
I think that is his ultimategoal but something that I find
is really interesting is hequotes Asimov's Laws of
Robotics.
(50:04):
I think it's the first law ofrobotics which is um I will not
harm any human or by omission ofaction allow harm to come to a
human.
And throughout this we see thathe doesn't consider the synth uh
the the hybrids he doesn'tconsider them humans because he
allows harm to befall thehybrids but it's interesting
(50:25):
that when that guy Arthur goesinto the the lab we can presume
that the the synth Kersh knewthat this was going to be bad
for for this guy Arthur but hedidn't he chose not to tell uh
he chose not to tell cavalier inthat moment when cavalier asked
uh is everything alright hechose to omit any um anything
(50:51):
from him so like he no longerwas following the laws of
robotics it's just a a reallybizarre thing that I think I'm
I'm I wanted like dig a littlebit more into because I I I
thought that that was such aweird uh thing for him to quote
earlier in the series and thennot follow up on.
But it's also interesting thatnight none of the children seem
(51:11):
to be programmed with that umthe the laws of robotics which
seems like a huge flaw it seemslike a huge flaw that none of
the children are bound by thoselaws because if they were nobody
would be in any major trouble.
Like I I just thought that wasweird really weird.
We're we're coming up on alittle over an hour of recording
(51:31):
do we have anything that we wantto say before we uh give our
final reviews I in fact do.
SPEAKER_01 (51:39):
Uh maybe the listeners of the show may not
know this but um your wife isable to control Xenomorph.
Oh yeah she has she has a reallygood like clicking noise it's
very I wish we could get it onthe show right now it is so
distressing and honestly I loveit.
(51:59):
Yeah she's she's very good atthat I love Wendy right like I
loved everything about her and Iadmire her desire to see the
good in everyone right as a as ateacher that's kind of what I I
gotta make sure I see one goodthing in every kid right so I
can make sure I I can connectand and and do my job but man uh
(52:20):
I know and I know that xenomorphhelps her out a number of times
but every time it feels likeparcel tongue.
Right?
It feels like when Harry's usingparcel tongue you're like I
don't think you should be doingthat like it doesn't seem like a
safe course of action.
SPEAKER_00 (52:37):
I wonder if the alien treats her like a mother
you know like I don't know uh ifwell I guess she was present at
its birth and there is that likethere is that like not embrace
but the the affection that wasbetween them uh because of yeah
so I think that exists there butuh yeah no it's a weird
(52:58):
situation did we did we findthat Wendy was too overpowered
by the end of the seriesAnthony?
SPEAKER_02 (53:05):
She definitely had a lot of power because you saw
that she could she she she wasable to initially hack into
stuff by like touch whereas likeby the end she was able to like
hack through hack into peoplewirelessly remember um buddy's
right hand man we you know weend up finding out that he's a
(53:25):
synth and she kind of like hackshim yeah yeah I I didn't like
that scene because he's anobject in motion and it would
stay in motion even if you stopthe programming you know like it
would just kind of clatter tothe ground it seemed almost like
the force where like Kylo Renwould stop an object midair I
didn't like that.
SPEAKER_00 (53:45):
I I feel like that need that that should have like
been handled differently sheshould have just said stop and
like he kind of like toppledover or something like that.
That I would have preferredsomething like that.
And I I I do think that she'sprobably a little too
overpowered because she could belike in her cell in the center
of this like complex and like analien on the other side of the
island would be able to hear herlike but nice yeah uh it's just
(54:12):
a it's a it's a weird you knowthing.
I I do like I do like that she'sconnected to the alien though I
think that that's interestingsorry what what are you saying
as you make that sound itreminds me of something that I
usually see after I hear thatsound and that's juice and and
it kind of reminds me andhopefully everyone who's still
(54:32):
listening to us right that thatyou know we we need you guys to
go ahead and leave us a fivestar super juicy review I mean
we have dedicated the last twomonths of our lives to this
friend to the company I mean Ithink we deserve not just one
share not two shares not threeshares dot four shares but five
(54:56):
juicy shares in your reviews Ilove it I love it yeah no I I I
think I I agree with Rich here Ithink that you guys um would be
remiss if you you neglected theopportunity for yourselves to
give a uh juicy five star reviewto the podcast you know there
was a lot of juice in thisepisode uh and specifically this
(55:19):
this season of televisionbecause we didn't just have
xenomorphs we had a number wehad flies that ate computer
parts we had um a upside downplant that just absorbed people
and kind of like squashed themunder its petals and most
importantly of all we had theorchestrator of all evil um the
(55:42):
eye he's just known as the eyeand it's just like this sentient
eye that uh becomes uh aparasite that inhabits living
and dead bodies to do their willit's it's such a fascinating
character.
SPEAKER_01 (55:57):
I wish I wish there's only one thing I wish
why couldn't it talk?
Like when it took over a human Iwanted it so badly to speak and
when it uh finally took over uhArthur at the end right uh that
I zombie I was pretty prettyjazzed up but there was that
(56:17):
when it did take over that oneolder gentleman I I wanted it to
be like you know bring I w theway it attacked the we've never
seen this kind of con like it itwas just using a human body to
try to bite through to to to tobite through the the xenomorphs
exoskeleton like it it wasintense crazy it was so wild it
(56:40):
was such a wild scene Anthonywhat are your thoughts on the
eye I thought that the eye waslow key kind of like an like an
anti-hero yeah well yeah he waskind of like he was moving the
plot along yeah what did youthink what did you think when it
was able to like do like thedigits for pie oh yeah that that
that was crazy and it it itdefinitely showed some high
(57:03):
intelligence you could tell thatthe eye is it's definitely an
enemy to the xenomorph like youcan tell because like you you've
seen it attack the xenomorphyeah you know uh as uh as
something um I think it wasmessed up um what what they did
(57:24):
to um to uh Isaac well I forgotwhat his uh lost boy name was I
do too yeah tootle uh took Ithought it was interesting that
they had other alien lifetootles yeah say that again
Anthony I'm sorry I think thatthat's really cool that they had
other alien eye life forms theretoo like where the focal point
is definitely the xenomorph andlike this eye creature but
(57:47):
there's some other ones thatlike the ones that fed on only
minerals like that was like areally sucky death for Isaac he
got melted man yeah that eyedude causing trouble left and
right oh man how did we like theresolution of everything where
uh cavalier uh Kershmaro allthese guys are locked up at the
(58:12):
end of this and um Wendy and hergang of lost boys as well as two
xenomorphs and Wendy'sbiological brother get to walk
free what are what are ourthoughts on the resolution there
I will physically assaultsomebody if I do not get a
second season I you guys havelocked me in and now I'm so
(58:37):
angry that the content is gone Ineed more I need uh I need to
see uh man I I want to see Rileyuh Ripley so badly like in the
next season like just just thecameo just something just
something just you just wantsome keys jangled in the right
yeah like they're just watchinglike TV and then like freakier
(58:58):
Friday comes on you knowsomething just like a little bit
of Ripley but I this just thenseason two is is is uh it's
cancelled it's not coming outit's breaking news right now I'm
reading it I'm sorry man wewould need to make like fanfic
movies about it like you knowwhat Dakota I know you're a big
fan of but let's just use likechat GPT to make the next season
(59:24):
oh my god I would uh I don't mymy issue is chat GPT and all
these like things are good foruh breaking down information but
in terms of narrative I've foundthat everything that like AI has
been able to even with promptsyou know like even if you're
(59:47):
telling this like AI to nowwrite about this now explain
this now do this AI has aproblem where it always feels
hollow and it always feels likeit's trying to please you and it
doesn't ever try
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:00):
To um give you anything of substance.
And it's that's that's mybiggest.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00:05):
I don't know why you're talking about Force
Awakens in that way, but um I Istill think it gives me a lot of
substance.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:10):
I love Force Awakens.
Um C in it for me.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00:15):
Um AI last question, Anthony.
If AI wrote the next aliensproject, would it be better than
Alien Resurrection?
SPEAKER_02 (01:00:25):
Dude, I I I'm pretty sure that I could go to like a
first grader and tell them towrite me a story about aliens
and it would come out waybetter.
Like it just would.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:37):
It it just one one thing that I I will say with
Resurrection is that having readthe novelization, I understand
it a lot more in terms of likethe character uh motives and
everything.
It does have a silly, silly,corny plot.
Um, but like the actualsubstance that I think was
(01:00:57):
intended in the Joss Whedonscript is a little bit more is a
lot more substantial than whatwe received on the film.
But anyway, all right I think weare digressing.
You guys are making me forget.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01:08):
You guys are making me I'm about to forget.
Oh, don't forget.
Okay, so so we're we're on thetopic of alien resurrection.
You know Winona Ryder'scharacter was created by sense,
right?
I feel like this is thebeginning of that.
I feel like this, I feel likethe these are the sense that
(01:01:30):
really like take over.
They're the human like mindedsense.
So I feel like they're gonna bethe ones that start off the
sense making sense.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01:39):
I like it.
I like the theory, and I'm gonnaroll with the RAP um I mean RAP
Ripley.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01:46):
I'm gonna say that I put The Force Awakens just under
Quantumania.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01:53):
I you know, I can't argue with that.
I actually can't.
Um it's it's just that good.
Now uh I think we are gonnabring this podcast to a close as
well as our discussion of thealien franchise.
But but um, and and Rich, youmight find this uh pleasing to
hear.
(01:02:13):
In about a month's time, therewill be a Predator movie called
Predator Bad Lands, which doesincorporate Wayland Utani
synthetics well into the future.
So this is past resurrection.
This is the latest on the alientimeline that we have yet
visited.
Um, and supposedly it is Canada.
(01:02:35):
So we shall see.
Maybe we'll do a podcast on itat some point.
Maybe maybe we'll have to do apredator series.
I don't know, we haven't gottenthere yet.
Alright, uh last-minute reviewof Alien Earth season one.
Rich, go ahead.
SPEAKER_01 (01:02:48):
I downloaded it as new content, I engaged with it,
and although at first I was alittle confused about the
appearance of Aliens on Earth, Ithoroughly enjoyed it.
I think that even if you'venever seen any alien movie, it
is a super fun watch, and Iwholly recommend it.
(01:03:13):
If only for the eye.
SPEAKER_00 (01:03:14):
If only for the eye.
Anthony, what are your finalthoughts on Alien Earth season
one?
SPEAKER_02 (01:03:19):
I think it was really good, man.
I I was like really blown away,and honestly, like it gave me
kind of like Stranger Thingsvibes a little bit, which is
funny because I know thatStranger Things get stuff from
Alien, but still, like it wasreally good.
Like, I mean, fantastic show.
SPEAKER_00 (01:03:36):
Art imitates art.
Imitates art.
Yeah, I I agree with you,Anthony.
I I think and it's funny, youwere texting us uh over the past
couple days that you werewatching the series and you're
just like, wait, is thisactually like really good?
And uh you were kind of itlooked like you were you were
like actually surprised by likehow well that this was produced
and everything.
And yeah, it's a well-producedseries.
(01:03:58):
Um it's uh it's a nice additionto the alien canon, whether you
consider it canon or not, orjust a fun series.
It's a good time, it's a reallygood time.
And I I don't know if it breaksmy top five MCU films.
SPEAKER_03 (01:04:11):
I personally don't know if this one does.
SPEAKER_00 (01:04:16):
But uh we'll we'll if I might have to come back and
and like re-reorganize my listat a later at a later date.
Uh Rich, you and I are the onlyones on the podcast for the next
couple of weeks.
Anthony will be away in thefaraway land of LV42, Tennessee.
And I gave you the option, ornot, I didn't really give you
(01:04:42):
the option, but I I offered theopportunity to watch the avatar
movies.
I know that we covered the Wayof Water uh a couple years ago
on the podcast, but you've neverseen either Avatar movie.
Would you be interested in doingan Avatar movie for the first
week and a Way of Water uh recapuh episode for the second one?
I am totally in.
SPEAKER_01 (01:05:03):
I would just need maybe a couple bottles of uh
let's just say uh thingsprocured in a abnormal fashion,
sir.
SPEAKER_00 (01:05:15):
Got it.
Uh and Anthony, this is uh inreference to the fact that I'm
working at a location wherethere is a warehouse full of
liquor that was abandoned, and Ipicked up a couple cases of uh
wine and other strange liqueurs.
SPEAKER_02 (01:05:29):
Like I thought he was wanting you to like you know
bootleg alcohol.
He wants you to make uh he wantsyou to make alcohol in the
moonlight.
SPEAKER_00 (01:05:40):
Uh I basically did.
I bas while I was working, Igrabbed like 10 cases of like
white wine and rose and uhTattoo Tony's Raspberry Iced Tea
Hard Liqueur.
Anyway, I know he's veryexcited.
Yeah, I'll give you a case ortwo.
Um and you'll you'll get to seeRipley again if you if you
decide to watch Avatar nexttime.
SPEAKER_01 (01:06:01):
I'm such a huge fan of Riley.
I'm so looking forward to it.
Oh, yeah, guys.
SPEAKER_00 (01:06:05):
Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_02 (01:06:06):
Oh I I did see her in a movie, The Gorge.
SPEAKER_00 (01:06:09):
Oh, yeah.
You were you were saying thatyou were watching an Apple TV
series called The Gorge.
Or is it a movie?
Is it a series?
SPEAKER_02 (01:06:15):
It's a movie.
Um with Anya Taylor, Joy, andMiles Teller.
SPEAKER_00 (01:06:21):
There we go, guys.
Thank you again for listening tous here for our 138th episode of
Project Geekology.
Again, please be sure to give usa juicy five star review if you
haven't already.
Please be sure to check into theshow notes for any and all
socials that uh you care tofollow us on.
And uh stay juicy, my friends.
Juice juice the wall.
(01:06:44):
I've finished computing.
This is the end.
Alright, alright, alright.
Welcome back to ProjectGeekology, episode 138.
I'm one third of your host,Dakota, and today we have an I I
think, personally, I think wehave an excellent show planned
for you.
It's the culmination of ouralien discussion.
You literally are listening tothree super fans of this series.
(00:22):
New to the series, super fans.
I mean, some of us have, youknow, been around for ages, but
we've actually been studyingthese films for uh the past
eight or nine weeks at thispoint, and I think we can all
safely say that we are aliensuper fans.
Um, and we are going to beclosing our discussion with
Alien Earth season one.
So uh that is gonna be anawesome discussion.
(00:44):
Again, I'm one third of yourhost, Dakota.
SPEAKER_02 (00:45):
I'm joined as always with Anthony, and I I thought I
thought that this week we werecovering Peter Pan.
Did I did I watch the wrongshow?
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (00:57):
Ah yeah, you you watched the wrong show.
Uh we're we're still on Alien.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02):
Dang it.
Well, I guess, you know, if Italk about anything Peter Pan
related, then you know, I'msorry.
But yes.
And uh joining us as always isRich, whose bit was stolen.
SPEAKER_01 (01:15):
I I I literally was like, alright, so how am I gonna
jump in here?
And I'm I'm gonna say that weare talking about Peter Pan and
make believe that we're notcontinuing the franchise that
we've been talking about forweeks.
And uh I have I'm not that quickon my feet, so I'm just excited
to talk to you guys about AlienEarth.
I'm really amped up about it.
(01:36):
I have lots of questions.
So uh, I mean, we we really I Ineed some answers, guys.
I need some answers.
We have no more content.
This is like when I readsomebody introduced me to the
Harry Potter books before likeright as the sixth one came out.
So I read all of them and thesixth one.
And then I was like, so when'sthe next one?
They're like, oh, it's gonna belike two years.
I was like, two why would you dothis to me?
(01:58):
Two years.
Uh I am I am I am like likeupset with you guys, right?
The uh the upset because I Iwant to know, you know, I want
to see Riley come back, youknow.
SPEAKER_02 (02:10):
Don't we all?
Don't we all?
But but yeah, Rich, uh it waswas the bit stolen when it
belongs to the company?
Was it really stolen?
SPEAKER_03 (02:18):
I like that.
There's so many companies.
SPEAKER_02 (02:21):
Yeah, I I agree with you, Dakota.
I think that the show's gonna begood.
It really is like theculmination of like everything
that we've been watching, andyou know, like we we get a lot
of good in this show.
I can't wait to talk about it.
But before we do that, let ustalk about what we have been up
to.
Dakota, what have you been upto?
It's been a while since you'vegone first.
SPEAKER_00 (02:42):
Yeah, uh, I mean, here's the thing.
When I fixate on something,because that's my my that's my
particular flavor of I don'tknow if it's ADHD or autism or
whatever, whatever spectrum Ifall into, uh, I'm undiagnosed,
obviously, but whatever spectrumI fall into, I tie I tend to
(03:03):
hyperfixate on things for longperiods of time, and it's very
difficult for me to get out ofthat hyperfixation.
So I'm really into alien rightnow.
It's hard for me to watchsomething like uh Star Wars.
It's hard for me to jump awayfrom Alien and go into Star
Wars.
So once I get into Star Wars,it'll be hard for me to get into
anything else.
So right now I'm on an alienfix.
I started reading the AlienIsolation uh novelization.
(03:27):
Uh Alien Isolation was a videogame from I think like 10 or so
years ago that uh followsRipley's daughter.
Um, which I know you guys didn'twatch the special edition of
Aliens kind of.
The special edition of Alienshas that one offline where
Ripley says that, you know, likeI had a daughter, her name's
(03:49):
Amanda Ripley.
You know, I was supposed to sayI was supposed to show up when
she was 11, uh, and she nevercould because she ended up being
adrift in space for 57 years,and her daughter ended up dying
in that time period.
So this is the game where welearn that uh Ripley's daughter
went out in search for her, anduh potentially, no spoilers
(04:11):
because I actually haven't evengot there yet, potentially she
meets a couple xenomorphs uhalong the way.
So we we shall see.
I'm excited about it.
I just started it today, and um,yeah, other than that, I
listened to the Aliennovelization or the Alien
Resurrection novelization, uh,which was the last of the film
novelizations that I had neverlistened to.
And that was fun.
I I have a little bit morerespect for that film now.
(04:35):
And yeah, uh, that's that's myhyperfixation that I'm allowed
to you know listen to while I'mat work, while I'm mindlessly
plugging in outlets, uh, dayafter day, uh light fixtures in
my electrical job.
Yeah, that's that's what I'vebeen up to besides Alien Earth.
Obviously, a couple uh episodesof Smallville sprinkled in
there, but that's but that'spretty much it, guys.
(04:56):
Um gonna throw it over toAnthony.
What the heck has that guy beenup to?
I don't know.
SPEAKER_02 (05:01):
I I I I actually have been like I've been really
enjoying the the Alien seriesI've been or like you know the
Alien Earth, so I I feel likeI've been spending a good bit of
time on that.
Um and then also like preppingfor my my trip, you know, I have
uh I'm gonna be gone for acouple of weeks, so you know,
(05:22):
there's a you know, there's apossibility that some somewhere
in that time we may go a weekwithout an episode, you know.
Maybe hopefully Dakota and Richthrow an episode in there.
You know, it's uh I haven't beentold anything.
I don't know uh, you know, ifthey will, if they won't, we we
shall see.
(05:42):
But um but yeah, no, I'm excitedto go on my trip and you know
just get some uh nice relaxationin.
SPEAKER_00 (05:49):
Um as far as whether or not uh Rich and I will carry
on the pod in your absence, benot afraid, my child.
We will do something.
I was thinking persona five.
SPEAKER_02 (06:03):
Oh man, that would be hilarious.
But honestly, to tell you thetruth, look, if if if I have to
sacrifice being on that episodeto finally get Dakota to play
the game, then you know I I Ishall, you know, I I sh I shall
sacrifice that, you know.
SPEAKER_01 (06:20):
I I'll tell you the only reason I said that is
because as I was going throughuh because this ties both of you
guys together because I wasaimlessly going through the
PlayStation store and I needed afix and I wrote Alien in and I
was really looking hard at AlienIsolation, but before I got to
Alien Isolation, as I was goingthrough the suggested games, one
(06:41):
of them was Persona 5.
So that's when I was like, thatthat's the episode we're gonna
do while Anthony's away.
SPEAKER_02 (06:48):
That's uh see see Persona 5's is trying to pull
you in.
But yeah.
So so yeah, Rich, what what haveyou been up to?
SPEAKER_01 (06:56):
Well, I I as we uh always do, we have about a
three-hour combo before we startthe show.
Uh no, but I uh I did get toregal the guys with the fact
that I I was able tosuccessfully keep a 75-inch TV
on the wall.
I won my fantasy baseball leaguethis year, and with my winnings,
I basically said to my wife,well, to be fair, there was a a
(07:17):
very wide column in the centerof my screen, which made play
playing baseball difficult.
Every other game where it justfelt like you were like you just
had the shade in your eye andyou just had to go around it.
So I I replaced it.
Uh, it is transformative.
I went from a 50 inch to a 75inch.
In terms of my room, it'sprobably uh Ray Bar
(07:38):
Bradbury-esque.
Like it it it almost seems likethe future, like it shouldn't be
this big.
Uh Red Dead You've entered thethe Vites.
I'm not gonna lie to you guys,the most the biggest boon to
this TV is that when I playedRed Dead, you know, I always had
a hard time getting finding thesquirrels.
And it's just like the the thesize of the TV, how far it was
(07:58):
away, whatever.
I had a really hard time huntingfor the smaller game, and I
couldn't complete my satchels.
My goodness, guys.
I can see a squirrel like it's alife squirrel.
Like like it's just like it's ait's a cr it's right there
across the street.
It is it is crystal clear.
I'm at killing so manysquirrels, rats, uh it's uh it's
pretty awesome.
(08:18):
I'm not gonna lie.
I'm pretty excited.
SPEAKER_02 (08:20):
R Rich, are you are you on single digits or double
digits in uh playthroughs of uhRed Dead 2?
SPEAKER_01 (08:27):
I think I crossed into my double.
Yeah, because I like I said, Iwas gonna get the alien game,
and then I realized I remindedmyself or remembered that I know
I told you guys I don't likehorror movies, and I watched
this whole thing with you,right?
But I really don't like horrorgames.
Like other than Resident Evil,and I stopped playing them
because they got too scary forme.
(08:48):
Uh I don't like horror games.
That's not that's not what Ithink.
It is a horror game.
Yeah, I don't want to pay and Idon't want to pay money to be
like I honestly that's not athat's not an enjoyable I want
to hunt squirrels, you know.
Like I want to play poker forfive hours in strawberry uh with
random guys there and drinkwhiskey in my actual life.
I don't I don't my my gaming isnot for for fear.
(09:11):
Like I I can't understandable.
SPEAKER_00 (09:13):
I totally get it.
SPEAKER_02 (09:14):
I feel I feel like alien isolation though is
scarier than like the actualcontent that we watch though.
SPEAKER_01 (09:21):
Oh really?
SPEAKER_02 (09:21):
Yeah, I mean let's be real, like alien is horror
light.
Yeah, it's not like full-onhorror.
You know, that like there's notreally many jump scares.
Um, I mean, there is dread, butlike I I don't know, like it's
not the kind of dread that makesyou anxious like other horror
(09:42):
movies do.
Like Jeepers can be.
You know, it can make you alittle anxious, but not like I I
would say Romulus was probablylike the one that had me like,
you know, when uh IsabellaMerced's character was like
behind the door and you're like,you know, and she's like kind of
looking at this thing as it'semerging.
That was like I was like, ooh.
But um, but yeah, no, I alienisolation is definitely
(10:06):
something that would uh raisethe blood pressure.
SPEAKER_01 (10:09):
Okay.
Thank you for that.
SPEAKER_00 (10:10):
Think thank you for that because I don't I don't
wanna I don't wanna I'm contentwith my novelization of the
game.
Apparently it's actually a veryfaithful com uh novelization and
it gets into the the mindset ofAmanda Ripley, the character,
really well.
So I'm I'm I'm enjoying it.
I've already shed a tear or two.
Um it's actually like kindadepressing.
(10:32):
Like it's uh no, it's it's verydepressing because like we've
always seen Ripley's side of thelike point of view.
We know that she had a daughterat some point.
We don't really ever think abouthow the daughter felt about her
being away for 57 for her entirelife.
But this shows what that waslike.
They they like do a wholeflashback chapter to her just
(10:53):
never coming back, and it's it'sjust terrible because she's like
10 years old, and yeah, it'sjust it's just a it's a horrible
time.
Um, but it's it's a goodnovelization so far, and I'm
excited to continue it.
But uh, but yeah, Rich, I'm veryhappy for you.
I'm happy for your TV.
I'm happy that it's up on thewall to your liking.
Yeah, that's that's the mostimportant part.
SPEAKER_01 (11:13):
I'm telling you, it's I I got I told you guys I
got Mario Odyssey.
I I I threw that up there.
Woo! You can wear Pancho and asombrero, like amazing.
I love that game.
Uh I it is a really good one.
I know I'm like 12 years behindor something, but if you haven't
played it and your son happenedto give you a Switch 1 for no
reason, Odyssey's great.
SPEAKER_00 (11:33):
It's so much fun, man.
SPEAKER_02 (11:34):
Yeah, let me go ask my son for uh a Switch 1, you
know.
SPEAKER_01 (11:40):
Let me do that too.
Oh man.
Should we jump into Switch 2 toget the Switch 1 though?
And the Switch 1, ironically,you also bought.
So like, oh man.
So either way, so technicallyyou make twice.
SPEAKER_02 (11:53):
Yeah.
Now I'm not ready to jump intoAlien Earth.
I'm ready to crash land intoAlien Earth.
SPEAKER_00 (11:59):
Yeah, let's get cooked.
SPEAKER_02 (12:00):
Okay, see what I did before we get cooked.
Crash land.
SPEAKER_00 (12:02):
I I I see what you did there.
Guys, if you have not watchedAlien Earth season one, that
reference may have been lost onyou.
Basically basically the ship atthe beginning of this show, the
uh I think it's the USS uhMaginot or Maginot.
(12:23):
There's an alien breach onboard, the whole crew is dead
except for a cyborg who like youknow hides himself away inside
the the interior of the ship'suh like crash chamber or
whatever, and it crashes rightinto planet Earth, um, into
territory not owned by WhalandUtani, even though it was a
(12:43):
whaland Utani ship, and thatstarts the whole drama that we
see in this series.
And I want to start off withthat, you know, like this show
doesn't just show us thecompany, it it actually doesn't
really even focus on thecompany.
The the you know, whaland Utaniis an ever-present, you know,
force in the background of thisshow, but we're actually shown a
(13:04):
new uh an entirely new we'regiven a lot of new lore,
actually.
Uh it it it basically suggeststhat there are five corporations
that run the world.
You know, it's it they arerulers of the world.
There are no more governmentstructures as we know them
today, but in 2120, there arefive, they they call them the
(13:25):
five, you know, they're the fivecorporations, and one of them is
Weyland Utani, the other one isProdigy that the show revolves
around.
And then Amazon and Disney,right?
And Walmart.
We can't forget Walmart.
SPEAKER_02 (13:37):
Um, you know, honestly, I really, really liked
that the show brought that upbecause you remember when we
first started this series, wewere talking about like, you
know, what is the company?
You know, it they're they'realmost governmental, you know.
Before we got the Weylin Utani,and then back then it was
Weylin, not Weyland uh Uttani.
(14:00):
Remember?
And so I remember we were kindof like speculating, like, you
know, what what are these whatwhat is it?
It's like very governmental.
And then, you know, we were kindof speculating, like, well, you
know, apparently there's nogovernment around, so obviously
this company is the govgovernment.
And you know, we were prettyclose on the mark because it's
(14:21):
it's not just one company, it'sfive companies.
But they they explained how theregular government just wasn't
getting the job done, but thesefive companies rose up and got
the job done.
So I I really do like that wegot the that lore, that expanded
lore that that uh kind ofexplains why these companies
(14:43):
have so much power.
SPEAKER_01 (14:44):
But at the same time, like I wish we had like a
fourth person on the show whocould like explain the timing of
everything, right?
Because I I just don'tunderstand this.
Like so, to my knowledge, thisis only a couple years before
the Nostromo goes out towards LV446.
I don't I think I'm wrong onthat.
(15:04):
426, yeah.
Okay.
So this is only a couple yearsbefore that, right?
Yes, and to our knowledge, thisentire time, I felt like uh and
Riley and sorry, Ripley'smission, right, was to make sure
at some point that the aliensnever reach Earth.
SPEAKER_00 (15:21):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (15:22):
However, we not only find out that an alien reaches,
a xenomorph reaches Earth, butwe find out that I mean we'll
talk about that eye.
That eye, all right, but we findout that multiple aliens, like I
don't understand it seems likethe and and grant granted, this
they they had to change a littlebit of stuff, but it seemed like
(15:44):
the entire crew of the Nostromoseemed except for um our good
friend uh Bilbo, right?
Like everybody was surprised bythe fact that there were these
aliens.
SPEAKER_00 (15:56):
Right.
Alright, so we we have to likewe have to play around with what
individuals know, basic levelemployees, you know, like uh we
understand that the big playersof the the world, we have Utani
and we have Cavalier, who knowabout the alien's existence.
(16:17):
These are the only two of thefive that have uh extensive
knowledge on what the cargo wasthat the Maginot was bringing
back.
The Maginot was bringing backcargo from their 65-year
journey.
So they they visited severalplanets, picked up a couple
species along the way.
One of them, presumably, well,one of the planets that they
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presumably stopped at was LV426.
It's actually a uh a moon, um,technically in a forest in alien
lore.
It's not a forest moon,actually, it's uh very barren.
Um but they do uh we we we dohave the cyborg character say
that it was a faraway moon.
So most likely that is the placethat they picked up the
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xenomorphs, uh, was LV426, priorto the Nostromo ever going
there.
This show does confuse somethings on the timeline.
I don't think that thatnecessarily is one of them.
You just have to kind ofunderstand that the the crew of
the Nostromo would haveabsolutely no idea.
So they left Earth right aroundthe time that this show was
(17:23):
taking place, right?
They left Earth in about 2120 togo to Thetis, which was a mining
colony.
On their way back from Thetis,going back to Earth, they were
diverted to this faraway mooncalled LV426.
That's where the SOS thing washappening.
Um, that they picked up thefirst xenomorph.
(17:43):
But, you know, right around thetime that they were leaving
Earth is when the Maginotcrashed, and most likely the
majority of the Earth neverfinds out about this alien
infestation that appears on thisisland.
As of right now, that's thecase.
As of right now, that's thecase.
SPEAKER_02 (18:00):
Yeah, uh honestly, I feel like it's believable
enough.
You know, if it was in themiddle, it you know, if the
aliens spread out in the middleof the city, it would be a
tougher sell.
But the fact that they weremoved over to this island, and
for the most part, dude,everybody that most of the
people that witnessed the aliensdied.
(18:23):
Except for like, and we don'tknow the fate of the you know,
the the people who who stillsurvived towards the end, but
yeah, Utani obviously wouldn'tbe blabbering that there were
these aliens that that shebrought to to Earth, right?
And the fact that all of whatyou know, and by the end, I mean
(18:43):
we we see we'll we'll talk aboutthe ends, but for the most part,
it would make sense that WeylandUtani would need like some sort
of you know, they're likethey're sending these people
out, you know, we're having ahard time getting our specimens
back, we need to get more.
So, I mean, to me it makessense.
Am I wrong in believing or am Iwrong in saying that I that it
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is believable that nobody wouldfind out about this because all
of this happened on a prettysecretive island?
SPEAKER_00 (19:13):
I don't think you'd be, you know, I don't think
anyone holds you accountable forthat.
I I do think that it's extremelybelievable that uh this never
broke out of containment,basically.
You know, like there was clearlythis event on this island that
was hushed up.
Um we can already like kind oftell that this is going to be a
hushed event because they'rebasically going aga both Utani
(19:37):
and Cab uh Prodigy are goingagainst um their own
governmental like structureswhere they're like kind of
breaching the uh the the stuffthat they have going on.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (19:50):
Right, like um Prodigy stealing the specimens,
and then the specimens werebringing being brought to Earth
when they weren't supposed to bebrought to Earth.
Like they're supposed to bebrought to some you know, they
they said that they were goingto be brought to some off-world
research station, but was thatreally gonna happen?
Probably not.
SPEAKER_00 (20:10):
Right.
It's kind of like you know, ifif there was like a UFO that uh
crash landed in the desert inthe US and the government
retrieved it, and so on and soforth.
This may have happenedcanonically in the real world,
but we the people do not knowthat this happens.
We will probably never know thatthis happened unless you know
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this is like leaked to the thegeneral populace.
So it's one of those things,like it's it's need to know
information, and thisspecifically doesn't um hurt
anything like Nostromo-wise.
Actually, I think it makes thecase for the Nostromo even
(20:52):
stronger because up to thispoint we don't know how the
company knew to divert theNostromo from their their
travels to LV426.
We don't know why they put Ashon board to make sure that they
uh kept the the specimens alive.
(21:14):
Now we kind of do because we wehave Utani who now realizes that
oh man, we need these things forour weapons division.
Um other companies are startingto like become wise to the fact
that xenomorphs exist, likeProdigy.
We need to you know send anothership out to get some specimens
(21:37):
back, and this is the first onethat's in that quadrant or
whatever.
And that's okay.
That works.
So now it all kind of clickstogether a little bit.
SPEAKER_01 (21:46):
That then I basically needed like you know,
like the kind of timelinefixing.
Uh I'm I know you're a littlebit of an amateur with the
timeline stuff, but like I I'mnot very good at it, but I I do
I do a I dabble a little bit.
Do you have a place where any ofus who are maybe are interested
in the alien timeline could gocheck out any information?
(22:06):
Like can you point us in theright direction?
SPEAKER_00 (22:08):
Unfortunately, I don't have a YouTube channel
named Geek Critique, um, where Iam currently working on an
eight-part video series fromAlien to Alien Earth, uh, in
which I have written andrecorded my second part on
aliens.
Uh and I have yet to uh releasethat.
But no, I don't have I don'thave a channel like that.
Maybe if I come up withsomething, we'll we'll put it
(22:29):
out, we'll put it down in theshow notes.
Um I'll I'll figure somethingout.
Uh there are some timelinemistakes though, or things in
the timeline that need to bewrapped a little neater, uh, I
should say.
So we have the Magino who thatthat has been on a 65-year
(22:50):
journey.
That's confirmed at this point.
65?
Not 67.
SPEAKER_01 (22:54):
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm not doing a bit here.
Like it isn't uh isn't that animportant number for us?
60 yeah.
I'm not being funny.
SPEAKER_00 (23:02):
Like I th I 65 is actually an important number.
Um uh we we spoke about it on aprevious podcast.
In the Aliens novelization byAlan Dean Foster, uh, we find
out that anything longer than 65years in cryo sleep or
hypersleep, whatever you want tocall it, is bad for the body.
The body starts to deteriorate.
But going back to Alien Earth,Wayland Utani did not exist as a
(23:27):
company 65 years prior to 2012.
Because we found out in like the21 or the the 2090s in
Prometheus that it was justWayland Corporation or Wayland
Industries, I forget what thename was, but um, so that is
interesting because that thatdoes change the potential uh
(23:49):
directory going backwards uhwith this timeline.
Are they suggesting thatPrometheus and Covenant are not
canon?
I know that um the uh creatorsof the show were kind of I I
think they dismissed a lot oflike what they didn't want to
deal with within like theprequels, which was like the the
(24:09):
black goo and all that.
I don't think they wanted todeal with any of that, so I
think they just kind of likedisregarded it in their minds.
But there is a way to make thiswork.
So we have uh the cyborgcharacter.
I I keep forgetting his name,but um yeah, Morrow, Mr.
Morrow.
I don't know how I forgot that.
That's such a great name, too.
They have Mr.
Morrow, who is who has a directline to Yutani, and he keeps
(24:34):
saying Yutani throughout most ofthis.
So that leads me to assume thatthe Maginot was a Yutani
research vessel prior to Utaniand Weyland coming together, and
at some point they received, youknow, like I'm sure for a
65-year mission they requiredmultiple um like care packages.
(24:57):
And I I'm assuming they got newgear that said Weyland Utani on
it.
They, you know, they they got awhole fix-up for their the the
Wayland Utani upgrade,basically.
Right.
Um so that's the way that onthat mission.
SPEAKER_02 (25:09):
Oh, I'm sorry.
Before he had left on thatmission, um it was like her
grandmother that was in charge.
SPEAKER_00 (25:15):
Yeah, so it was still he was still dealing with
the Utani family at this point.
That's the way I I look at that,because uh instead of dealing
with Peter Wayland, which hewould have dealt with if it was
a Wayland Utani thing, he wasdealing with strictly Uttani.
And he still is, because theUttanis now own the Wayland
Corporation at this point in thein the history.
(25:37):
But yeah, so that's that'sthat's one thing that I think
should be patched over if theyever do a second season.
You know, just to like there'sno reason for them to completely
dismiss Prometheus and Covenant.
They can ignore certain aspectsof it, but they shouldn't just
completely make itnon-canonical.
I don't think that there's anyvalue in that.
(25:58):
I think that makes the universea little bit smaller.
There's there's a line that um Igotta pull up the cast list
because I'm I'm I'm fallingshort here.
Uh Timothy Olafant's character,Kersh.
SPEAKER_02 (26:11):
That was cool seeing him in there.
I was like, oh my gosh, what'sthis guy doing?
SPEAKER_00 (26:15):
Olafant is such a great, he has such a great face,
dude.
He's so like it's such a classyface.
It's always it's a pleasure tosee Timothy Olafant in anything.
SPEAKER_02 (26:25):
And he did a really good job in like being that like
kind of Calus Synth-likecharacter, you know, that scene.
SPEAKER_00 (26:31):
Yeah, I have some comments about him.
Yeah, I have um he he says aline in this that really
confused me.
He said, like, uh, you know,that Wendy has the potential to
discover faster-than-lighttravel.
And I'm thinking to myself, waita minute, we definitely already
have faster-than-light travel.
There's no way you can make itto LV426 without
(26:54):
faster-than-light travel.
Like, it's just not possible.
Like the Nostromo, two yearsfrom now, coming coming back
from LV426, is moving like 14times faster than the speed of
light.
Like, it's it's they have tohave it.
Like, it's just it's it's suchit's a weird line.
Anyway, the the way we cancalculate that is because they
(27:16):
give us like an actualreal-world star system, Zeta 2
reticular, um, in the firstmovie.
So by using that star system andfiguring out how many light
years away that is, you cancalculate okay, they have a
10-month journey.
Um, in 39 point something lightyears, it takes them 10 months,
they're going about 14 times thespeed of light.
(27:36):
So that's that's how we we knowthat they're able to travel
faster than light, you know.
So it's weird that the Maginotdoesn't have it or they don't
know that they have it yet.
Uh, it's it was a weird line.
So I'm just gonna disregard itbecause it doesn't make any
sense.
There was something Let's talkabout the synths and the hybrids
guys.
SPEAKER_01 (27:52):
I think as we we go through the conversation, we
have to remember that the thethe showrunners or whatever of
Alien Earth, I read somewherewhere they said, like, yeah,
we're gonna, you know, followstuff, but at the end of the
day, the alien fans are not as Iforgot the word he used, but
essentially the the sentimentwas you know, they're they're
(28:13):
not so held down by specificexact rules of the lore.
So essentially, like they kindof said, We're gonna observe
some and we're gonna ignoreothers or change it if we want.
SPEAKER_00 (28:28):
Yeah.
Anyway, um I do respect that tosome degree because uh I do
think all alien stuff has addedand changed lore from the
previous thing.
Yeah like that's that's a that'sa thing that's always happened.
Yeah, but um so long as it allworks together, that that's what
makes it a cohesive hole.
(28:49):
Um let's let's uh dial backbecause we've had synthetics,
we've had robots, we've hadandroids, they're all the same
thing.
But now we have something new.
We have two things that are new,actually.
They they introduced cyborgs,which are humans augmented with
uh machine-like parts, whichprobably predates synthetics.
Uh because Mr.
(29:11):
Morrow, a cyborg, left 65 yearsago uh on the Maginot.
That would mean that he predatedthe first synthetic, which was
David.
So cyborgs probably predatesynthetics, which is pretty
cool.
That works in the timeline.
What do we think about Mr.
Morrow and uh his his umaugmentations?
(29:32):
I yeah, what what what are ourthoughts?
T went.
SPEAKER_02 (29:35):
It's cool.
It's cool.
I I I like I like that that hischaracter exists because not
only does he have like kind ofthat that cold kind of like
machine type of he he can kindof like become synth like but he
also has like the street smartsof like a human being.
(29:58):
Like he he can like you you sawhow he tricked um slightly, you
know?
Aurush, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (30:05):
Yeah, I feel so bad for that guy.
SPEAKER_02 (30:07):
So yeah, I did too.
But like I mean, like you know,the the the there there was some
charisma there, like, you know,hey, you want to be my friend,
right?
That kind of thing.
Dude, I mean Mara was hischaracter was that guy had some
candy in his van.
SPEAKER_01 (30:23):
Um he's uh uh he's a tough guy I thought he was
really cool right like aconstruction you know um kind of
T1000 like where he just likeyou know there's that one point
where he pulls up the sword uhwhich you know I I'm not gonna
lie like I I the I like uh I II'd like to know like a
(30:45):
definition of what the cyborgcan do I guess like it's almost
like the T1000 like annoyed mein Terminator 2 because I was
like what you could just doanything like and then until
like Arnold was able to like hecould take any shape but it
can't be something that is amechanical item you know like
then I understood it a littlebit more I I kind of wish I
would have had a little bitabout that.
(31:06):
But yeah like like what Anthonywas saying about how he's
callous you know and we we doget those scenes with you know
his his daughter but it stillseems like he's just like well
if I had to waste my life I'm atleast gonna do my job the right
way which is just like the thelevel of dedication that man
gets so much juice like pouredon him like before they crash
(31:28):
like it's crazy and you wouldthink that would be enough for
him not to want to do more andhe does more like he's like no
I'm gonna keep helping you Imean it was um he's a very
interesting character hismotivations I think are so
different in this franchise youknow because he's not uh he's
not a complete synth uh like Ashbut he still has that dogged uh
(31:52):
you know I'm gonna I'm gonnafinish the mission type type
thing you know yeah it's acertain determination that he
has that we don't really seefrom any of the human characters
previously uh I mean we havecharacters like Burke in Aliens
who will do anything to make abuck but we don't have anyone as
(32:13):
like cruel and vicious andmaniacal and kind of twisted in
some ways as this guy Mr.
SPEAKER_00 (32:20):
Morrow which is kind of strange because like he crash
landed.
He could have easily disappearedand Yutani would have been none
the wiser you know like he hecould have just never shown up
again and you know made his ownlife and that would be the end
of his mission.
But I guess then he would haveforfeited all of his pay so
probably wouldn't have been agreat idea.
(32:40):
Yeah.
Um so I guess he did need it Ihe did waste 65 years of his
life on this so he might as wellyou know ah finish the job
whatever yeah I I I see I seehis I'm I'm starting to like
like come around to like hisrationale as we as we speak.
SPEAKER_02 (32:57):
But yeah I I think it was just his left arm that
was mechanized right I I thinkhe he had uh just just his left
arm had uh cyber parts I I thinkhe had cybernetics like in his
head too because he hadconnected um you're right yes
yes yes yes he like he haddownloaded from the ship dude
his moment in the like the shipcommand center kind of reminded
(33:21):
me of Ash when he was like inthe command center like kind of
uh taking over commands of thethe ship and like you know
letting the company know thatthat the specimens are going to
be safe kind of that kind ofthing that that that really
reminded me of of that scene orthat moment in uh the first
alien movie but yeah he was hischaracter was was in really
(33:45):
interesting and I liked thatthey had him I like that they
had like it was almost like aprogression you know and and it
actually it it shows um the inthe beginning of the show it
talks about how pe how humansare trying to achieve
immortality and cyborg was oneof them hybrid was what like you
(34:08):
know like transferring the mindto uh to a synthetic so that was
that was one and I forgot whatthe third one was uh synthetic
cyborg and hybrid okay yeahwhich which I I which I thought
was weird because syntheticswere kind of just robots and
then hybrids were actually humanbut like their mind in a
(34:30):
synthetic yeah so we gotta wegotta talk about hybrids because
this is the first time in thealien franchise where we are
getting the notion that humanscan create a transhumanist uh
experience where they put theirconsciousness into something
that will live past them andwe're given like I think it's uh
(34:53):
six kids who have terminalillness illnesses and their
minds are just moldable enoughwhere they're able to make the
journey into a synthetic.
SPEAKER_00 (35:01):
We don't know how truthful the boy cavalier was in
that respect.
We don't know that like adultscan make the the jump I'm I'm
sure given enough time theycould figure that out they said
something actually at one point.
SPEAKER_01 (35:16):
I don't know if it was like the third or fourth
episode but I I believe it wassaid that this can't be done
with adults that it can only bedone with children because
something about their mind iskind of more accepting.
So I I feel like they tried todo this with adults and there
was like a um it sounds likethere was a mental inability for
(35:41):
the mind to accept process andaccept this situation and the
kids were the most malleablekind of like how kids can
supposedly like in some thingslike see ghosts and things where
the adults can't.
SPEAKER_00 (35:55):
Alright so we we have uh a couple kids the the
primary kid is one named Marcyshe has uh terminal cancer of
some sort um she's the first ofher kind and she is led to the
body of a an adult syntheticthat uh g she ends up calling
(36:15):
Wendy because she happened to bewatching uh a clip from the
Disney movie Peter Pan um andyou know now's a good time to
like bring up Peter Panreferences throughout the entire
show because that seems to bethe overarching theme of the
entire first season is theparallels to Peter Pan.
(36:37):
We have Boy Cavalier uh the theowner of the Prodigy company
who's a trillionaire uh geniusinventor whatever um he's
basically the boy who uh nevergrew up he's Peter Pan he has
kidnapped children so that theycan be children forever until
they are no longer willing to bechildren basically and that at
(37:00):
the end of the series we havethem leave Neverland.
Presumably we we don't actuallysee them leave Neverland but you
know I'm assuming that thechildren will leave Neverland uh
because there's nothing therefor them anymore they are
choosing to grow up or grow outof the cage that Peter has
brought them in.
And you know the the the actualstory of Peter Pan is a
(37:21):
children's tale and Peter Pan'skind of like a hero-ish
character but the the themes ofthe story are quite dark if you
really get down to to you knowbrass tacks with it peter pan
does kidnap children you knowlike peter pan isn't he isn't a
wholly good character like therethere is personal gain in
(37:42):
whatever he does you know likeuh but it so it's it's an
interesting parallel and I Ithey I I really really really
liked the fact that they werereading passages from Peter Pan
throughout the course of theshow as the kids would go to
sleep.
I just thought like this is sucha fun way to introduce these
concepts narratively in an alienseries series.
(38:03):
And even like the the maincharacter Wendy she's basically
the mother of the Lost Boys andwe you know we've been talking
about motherhood throughout theentirety of the alien franchise
you know that's that's a themethat has existed since the since
the very first movie.
And now we have Wendy Darlingthe the mother of the lost the
the lost boys and I I just I waskind of blown away by it I think
(38:27):
that they did a really reallygood job of just tying all of
this together um in a meaningfulway and a lot of the kids you
know like they they had theirPeter Pan Lost Boy names that
they eventually kind ofabandoned.
You know one by one they kind ofstarted going by different names
or their their old name and I Ithought that was kind of that
was just it was cool.
It was it showed that eventhough they were in the bodies
(38:50):
of synthetics they were showingindividuality which surprised
Cavalier which you know everytime that Cavalier was surprised
it made me so happy because hissurprise always came at his own
detriment.
SPEAKER_02 (39:03):
And yeah what what are your what are your thoughts
on the Peter Pan stuff thehybrid synthetics uh anything uh
Anthony let's let's start withyou he uh it it's it's funny
that he would find somethinglike that surprising because
like sure they are synthetic butthere is at least a piece of
(39:25):
humanity that is in there withthem transferring the human
mind.
The whole idea is to prolong aperson's life by transferring
their mind over.
So obviously they're gonna havesome sort of identity to who
they were because that's theirmind is pretty much where you
(39:46):
know the person resides likewhere like where the person's
personality and and everythingabout them is in the mind, you
know?
So that that really shouldn'thave come to a surprise but yeah
you know and and yeah he wouldhave surprises like um you know
with like the the eyeball alienand some of the some of the
other aliens that and it endsyeah it just ends up kind of
(40:09):
biting him in the butt in theend but he almost kind of you
you know I will say that withhow immature he could be he kind
of took the ending like a manlike it's just like I've been I
I've been uh I've been outplayedpretty much because you saw his
reaction in the end right likeit wasn't like he wasn't pissed
(40:30):
off he was just like well I gotplayed yeah it was almost like
he he lost a game you know buthe thought this this was a f uh
an effing interestingconversation you know like he he
had he finally got hisinteresting conversation at the
end uh Rich what are yourthoughts on this whole thing all
right well first of all uh Dimestore Timothy Chamelet Timothy
(40:56):
Chamelet uh over here TimothyChalon uh he I when he walked
into the meeting with uh Utaniand my man listen I don't care
what the future is like allright at least we're crocs like
what are you doing what are youdoing walking around barefoot
like it just it adds to his Idon't know if we can use this
(41:19):
word I don't know douche-nesslike it I greatly despise him
altogether he is horriblyobnoxious curious to the point
of danger just like a scientistwith no morals but not even a
(41:41):
scientist just literally like achild almost with these fanciful
ideas and then it's weirdbecause he's so childlike but he
treats he has no compassion atall for what I will call his
creations right he he just seesthem as a a means to an end and
(42:04):
uh I thought that uh well I Idon't know why I noticed this I
I sp I told you the other daybut the the the actress who
plays like the mom of all thethe hybrids she was the uh you
know she was like in theMummer's farce in Game of
Thrones and I I always thoughtshe was like so good in that
little scene where Arya tries tokill her and here uh you know
(42:27):
damn near fifteen years or sosince she was there I I thought
she did a great job here it wasvery convincing I thought her
acting was great throughout youknow as you get towards the end
you could see how she's gettingmore and more disheveled.
SPEAKER_01 (42:41):
I felt like she really cared for these children
as as as weird as that soundslike I bought it you know like
she whether it's true or notlike she felt like they were her
kids.
And I was convinced of that.
SPEAKER_00 (42:56):
Yeah you're talking about uh esse davis is the
actress's name she played damesilvia in this in this series
yeah she did a she did afantastic job one one of the
like really interesting thingsthat I don't think they were
really expecting I don't thinkuh dollar store Timothy Chalamet
um was expecting the rebellionof the the synthetics he thought
(43:23):
that you know like this was agift that I'm giving you I'm
giving you life you know likeyou you repay it by staying on
the island forever and doing mymy will but um their
individuality came at a costthey weren't they did not have
the minds of the synths they didnot have the programming of the
synths they were still childrenbut you gave them the the bodies
(43:45):
of superhuman you know like theycould jump higher take a lot
stronger hits they could uh werethey were a lot stronger and
that became a very terrifyingthing for a lot of people
including Dame Sylvia when uhone of the one of the girls uh
skib claimed that she waspregnant nibs claims that she
(44:07):
was pregnant and that was aterrifying scene because it's
just like what does this meanlike this is like such strange
psychological behavior and youknow you do see this in kids
that have like post-traumaticstress um you know like that
that is a thing that like somesome kids do or start suggesting
when they have a mental breakyou know and that clearly is
(44:28):
still a possibility with thesynthetic bodies you know they
can still have those mentalbreaks and it was terrifying
when you know she almost killeduh Dame Sylvia right then and
there um even though I do thinkthat dame Sylvia and her husband
Arthur cared to some degree forthe livelihoods.
(44:49):
Well I think Arthur definitelycared um for for the the
children um the wife was wasmore the eager scientists
willing to you know like pushthe boundaries of science.
Yeah yeah sorry I don't want totalk too much but uh what I I do
want to talk a little bit aboutlike Mr.
Morrow and Slightly and hisconnection with Slightly you
(45:13):
know I I think that that is areally I don't know if it's a
strong point of the show butit's it's definitely a tense
point of the series.
Like you you have this loomingthreat of Mr.
Morrow potentially killing hisreal world parents if he doesn't
get a xenomorph to uh you knowpop up basically you know like
(45:33):
if he doesn't kill a a humanhost.
Uh what are what are ourthoughts on this whole
interaction with Mr.
Morrow and Slightly and all thatAnthony?
SPEAKER_02 (45:43):
It was pretty tense I I think that that was kind of
like the the turning point inthe in the show and you really
started to see the the crackswere starting to get wider you
know in in like the whole hybridyou know because now you have
(46:03):
this child that has kind of alla lot of power right and they're
able to kind of like do whateverthey want and honestly like you
guys were talking about howArthur was caring for the kids
like I kind of felt bad for hisfate in this whole situation
(46:24):
between uh slightly and morrowyou know he becomes the the
guinea pig that scene that scenewhere like they're on the beach
and he can tell that thechildren are lying and he's just
like kids need to learn how tolie and I know that you guys are
lying let's let's go back I forI forgive you you know like
we're gonna work this out I feltso bad for you because you knew
(46:46):
right then and there this guywas gonna die.
SPEAKER_00 (46:48):
And I was just like this poor guy this the one
person that this genuinely doesnot deserve to to happen to on
this series is is the guy that'sgonna get it.
Oh man that that really thatreally tore me apart that scene.
Rich what are your thoughts onthe whole slyly morrow Arthur
conundrum?
SPEAKER_01 (47:09):
Well there's just a couple so obviously it was you
know kind of upsetting to towatch the way it was rolling out
and the way he was being uhblackmailed there were just a
couple things I thought were alittle a little too neat about
kind of all that like just theidea that he wouldn't tell
anybody at all was a little bitlike off uh I thought that what
(47:29):
is the guy uh Timmy Oliphant uhhim trusting Isaac to take care
of the the specimens was just avery non-synthetic solution to a
problem right like we have totalk about his character next
yeah because like there'ssomething weird going on because
(47:50):
with uh like a a lot of okay sofor example right if he doesn't
trust Isaac then uh slightlyessentially doesn't get the
opportunity to follow through ona plan that I thought was
ambitious on the side as a partof the side like I know the
cyborg was blackmailing himright but like I don't know
(48:11):
trying to think of a non-meanway to say this but how like
it's crazy to me that Morosbelieved that Slightly could not
only like unleash the xenomorphbut then like then put it on a
human host then drag the host tothe beach within this time frame
right like so much had to goexactly right that it just it
(48:35):
that bothered me a little bitand I wasn't completely annoyed
by it until I'm sorry I can'tremember his name but Timmy uh
Timothy Oliphant's character'sbehavior with Isaac right
because then Kershame the Idon't I really don't understand
like Kirsch's approach rightlike it's like what are you
(48:56):
doing bro Kirsch is an is ananomaly throughout this entire
series for a number of reasons.
SPEAKER_00 (49:01):
We know that he's synthetic we know that he for
some reason hates this cyborgMr.
Morrow we don't know if they'veever met I doubt that they ever
have prior to this this seriesbut we know that Kersh has been
listening to to Mr.
Morrow's uh whisperings inslightly's ears all this time
(49:22):
and I think that he found itinteresting I think he found it
like fascinating from ascientific point of view like
what would happen so he almosttreated that these these these
children like a scienceexperiment but he also treated
this whole thing as if it were atrap for Mr.
Morrow.
He knew that Mr.
Morrow was going to come to theisland at some point and that
(49:43):
was the greatest threat toProdigy's control of whatever
situation they have going on.
So he brought Mr.
Morrow to the island so that hecould capture Mr.
Morrow.
I think that is his ultimategoal but something that I find
is really interesting is hequotes Asimov's Laws of
Robotics.
(50:04):
I think it's the first law ofrobotics which is um I will not
harm any human or by omission ofaction allow harm to come to a
human.
And throughout this we see thathe doesn't consider the synth uh
the the hybrids he doesn'tconsider them humans because he
allows harm to befall thehybrids but it's interesting
(50:25):
that when that guy Arthur goesinto the the lab we can presume
that the the synth Kersh knewthat this was going to be bad
for for this guy Arthur but hedidn't he chose not to tell uh
he chose not to tell cavalier inthat moment when cavalier asked
uh is everything alright hechose to omit any um anything
(50:51):
from him so like he no longerwas following the laws of
robotics it's just a a reallybizarre thing that I think I'm
I'm I wanted like dig a littlebit more into because I I I
thought that that was such aweird uh thing for him to quote
earlier in the series and thennot follow up on.
But it's also interesting thatnight none of the children seem
(51:11):
to be programmed with that umthe the laws of robotics which
seems like a huge flaw it seemslike a huge flaw that none of
the children are bound by thoselaws because if they were nobody
would be in any major trouble.
Like I I just thought that wasweird really weird.
We're we're coming up on alittle over an hour of recording
(51:31):
do we have anything that we wantto say before we uh give our
final reviews I in fact do.
SPEAKER_01 (51:39):
Uh maybe the listeners of the show may not
know this but um your wife isable to control Xenomorph.
Oh yeah she has she has a reallygood like clicking noise it's
very I wish we could get it onthe show right now it is so
distressing and honestly I loveit.
(51:59):
Yeah she's she's very good atthat I love Wendy right like I
loved everything about her and Iadmire her desire to see the
good in everyone right as a as ateacher that's kind of what I I
gotta make sure I see one goodthing in every kid right so I
can make sure I I can connectand and and do my job but man uh
(52:20):
I know and I know that xenomorphhelps her out a number of times
but every time it feels likeparcel tongue.
Right?
It feels like when Harry's usingparcel tongue you're like I
don't think you should be doingthat like it doesn't seem like a
safe course of action.
SPEAKER_00 (52:37):
I wonder if the alien treats her like a mother
you know like I don't know uh ifwell I guess she was present at
its birth and there is that likethere is that like not embrace
but the the affection that wasbetween them uh because of yeah
so I think that exists there butuh yeah no it's a weird
(52:58):
situation did we did we findthat Wendy was too overpowered
by the end of the seriesAnthony?
SPEAKER_02 (53:05):
She definitely had a lot of power because you saw
that she could she she she wasable to initially hack into
stuff by like touch whereas likeby the end she was able to like
hack through hack into peoplewirelessly remember um buddy's
right hand man we you know weend up finding out that he's a
(53:25):
synth and she kind of like hackshim yeah yeah I I didn't like
that scene because he's anobject in motion and it would
stay in motion even if you stopthe programming you know like it
would just kind of clatter tothe ground it seemed almost like
the force where like Kylo Renwould stop an object midair I
didn't like that.
SPEAKER_00 (53:45):
I I feel like that need that that should have like
been handled differently sheshould have just said stop and
like he kind of like toppledover or something like that.
That I would have preferredsomething like that.
And I I I do think that she'sprobably a little too
overpowered because she could belike in her cell in the center
of this like complex and like analien on the other side of the
island would be able to hear herlike but nice yeah uh it's just
(54:12):
a it's a it's a weird you knowthing.
I I do like I do like that she'sconnected to the alien though I
think that that's interestingsorry what what are you saying
as you make that sound itreminds me of something that I
usually see after I hear thatsound and that's juice and and
it kind of reminds me andhopefully everyone who's still
(54:32):
listening to us right that thatyou know we we need you guys to
go ahead and leave us a fivestar super juicy review I mean
we have dedicated the last twomonths of our lives to this
friend to the company I mean Ithink we deserve not just one
share not two shares not threeshares dot four shares but five
(54:56):
juicy shares in your reviews Ilove it I love it yeah no I I I
think I I agree with Rich here Ithink that you guys um would be
remiss if you you neglected theopportunity for yourselves to
give a uh juicy five star reviewto the podcast you know there
was a lot of juice in thisepisode uh and specifically this
(55:19):
this season of televisionbecause we didn't just have
xenomorphs we had a number wehad flies that ate computer
parts we had um a upside downplant that just absorbed people
and kind of like squashed themunder its petals and most
importantly of all we had theorchestrator of all evil um the
(55:42):
eye he's just known as the eyeand it's just like this sentient
eye that uh becomes uh aparasite that inhabits living
and dead bodies to do their willit's it's such a fascinating
character.
SPEAKER_01 (55:57):
I wish I wish there's only one thing I wish
why couldn't it talk?
Like when it took over a human Iwanted it so badly to speak and
when it uh finally took over uhArthur at the end right uh that
I zombie I was pretty prettyjazzed up but there was that
(56:17):
when it did take over that oneolder gentleman I I wanted it to
be like you know bring I w theway it attacked the we've never
seen this kind of con like it itwas just using a human body to
try to bite through to to to tobite through the the xenomorphs
exoskeleton like it it wasintense crazy it was so wild it
(56:40):
was such a wild scene Anthonywhat are your thoughts on the
eye I thought that the eye waslow key kind of like an like an
anti-hero yeah well yeah he waskind of like he was moving the
plot along yeah what did youthink what did you think when it
was able to like do like thedigits for pie oh yeah that that
that was crazy and it it itdefinitely showed some high
(57:03):
intelligence you could tell thatthe eye is it's definitely an
enemy to the xenomorph like youcan tell because like you you've
seen it attack the xenomorphyeah you know uh as uh as
something um I think it wasmessed up um what what they did
(57:24):
to um to uh Isaac well I forgotwhat his uh lost boy name was I
do too yeah tootle uh took Ithought it was interesting that
they had other alien lifetootles yeah say that again
Anthony I'm sorry I think thatthat's really cool that they had
other alien eye life forms theretoo like where the focal point
is definitely the xenomorph andlike this eye creature but
(57:47):
there's some other ones thatlike the ones that fed on only
minerals like that was like areally sucky death for Isaac he
got melted man yeah that eyedude causing trouble left and
right oh man how did we like theresolution of everything where
uh cavalier uh Kershmaro allthese guys are locked up at the
(58:12):
end of this and um Wendy and hergang of lost boys as well as two
xenomorphs and Wendy'sbiological brother get to walk
free what are what are ourthoughts on the resolution there
I will physically assaultsomebody if I do not get a
second season I you guys havelocked me in and now I'm so
(58:37):
angry that the content is gone Ineed more I need uh I need to
see uh man I I want to see Rileyuh Ripley so badly like in the
next season like just just thecameo just something just
something just you just wantsome keys jangled in the right
yeah like they're just watchinglike TV and then like freakier
(58:58):
Friday comes on you knowsomething just like a little bit
of Ripley but I this just thenseason two is is is uh it's
cancelled it's not coming outit's breaking news right now I'm
reading it I'm sorry man wewould need to make like fanfic
movies about it like you knowwhat Dakota I know you're a big
fan of but let's just use likechat GPT to make the next season
(59:24):
oh my god I would uh I don't mymy issue is chat GPT and all
these like things are good foruh breaking down information but
in terms of narrative I've foundthat everything that like AI has
been able to even with promptsyou know like even if you're
(59:47):
telling this like AI to nowwrite about this now explain
this now do this AI has aproblem where it always feels
hollow and it always feels likeit's trying to please you and it
doesn't ever try
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:00):
To um give you anything of substance.
And it's that's that's mybiggest.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00:05):
I don't know why you're talking about Force
Awakens in that way, but um I Istill think it gives me a lot of
substance.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:10):
I love Force Awakens.
Um C in it for me.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00:15):
Um AI last question, Anthony.
If AI wrote the next aliensproject, would it be better than
Alien Resurrection?
SPEAKER_02 (01:00:25):
Dude, I I I'm pretty sure that I could go to like a
first grader and tell them towrite me a story about aliens
and it would come out waybetter.
Like it just would.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (01:00:37):
It it just one one thing that I I will say with
Resurrection is that having readthe novelization, I understand
it a lot more in terms of likethe character uh motives and
everything.
It does have a silly, silly,corny plot.
Um, but like the actualsubstance that I think was
(01:00:57):
intended in the Joss Whedonscript is a little bit more is a
lot more substantial than whatwe received on the film.
But anyway, all right I think weare digressing.
You guys are making me forget.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01:08):
You guys are making me I'm about to forget.
Oh, don't forget.
Okay, so so we're we're on thetopic of alien resurrection.
You know Winona Ryder'scharacter was created by sense,
right?
I feel like this is thebeginning of that.
I feel like this, I feel likethe these are the sense that
(01:01:30):
really like take over.
They're the human like mindedsense.
So I feel like they're gonna bethe ones that start off the
sense making sense.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01:39):
I like it.
I like the theory, and I'm gonnaroll with the RAP um I mean RAP
Ripley.
SPEAKER_02 (01:01:46):
I'm gonna say that I put The Force Awakens just under
Quantumania.
SPEAKER_00 (01:01:53):
I you know, I can't argue with that.
I actually can't.
Um it's it's just that good.
Now uh I think we are gonnabring this podcast to a close as
well as our discussion of thealien franchise.
But but um, and and Rich, youmight find this uh pleasing to
hear.
(01:02:13):
In about a month's time, therewill be a Predator movie called
Predator Bad Lands, which doesincorporate Wayland Utani
synthetics well into the future.
So this is past resurrection.
This is the latest on the alientimeline that we have yet
visited.
Um, and supposedly it is Canada.
(01:02:35):
So we shall see.
Maybe we'll do a podcast on itat some point.
Maybe maybe we'll have to do apredator series.
I don't know, we haven't gottenthere yet.
Alright, uh last-minute reviewof Alien Earth season one.
Rich, go ahead.
SPEAKER_01 (01:02:48):
I downloaded it as new content, I engaged with it,
and although at first I was alittle confused about the
appearance of Aliens on Earth, Ithoroughly enjoyed it.
I think that even if you'venever seen any alien movie, it
is a super fun watch, and Iwholly recommend it.
(01:03:13):
If only for the eye.
SPEAKER_00 (01:03:14):
If only for the eye.
Anthony, what are your finalthoughts on Alien Earth season
one?
SPEAKER_02 (01:03:19):
I think it was really good, man.
I I was like really blown away,and honestly, like it gave me
kind of like Stranger Thingsvibes a little bit, which is
funny because I know thatStranger Things get stuff from
Alien, but still, like it wasreally good.
Like, I mean, fantastic show.
SPEAKER_00 (01:03:36):
Art imitates art.
Imitates art.
Yeah, I I agree with you,Anthony.
I I think and it's funny, youwere texting us uh over the past
couple days that you werewatching the series and you're
just like, wait, is thisactually like really good?
And uh you were kind of itlooked like you were you were
like actually surprised by likehow well that this was produced
and everything.
And yeah, it's a well-producedseries.
(01:03:58):
Um it's uh it's a nice additionto the alien canon, whether you
consider it canon or not, orjust a fun series.
It's a good time, it's a reallygood time.
And I I don't know if it breaksmy top five MCU films.
SPEAKER_03 (01:04:11):
I personally don't know if this one does.
SPEAKER_00 (01:04:16):
But uh we'll we'll if I might have to come back and
and like re-reorganize my listat a later at a later date.
Uh Rich, you and I are the onlyones on the podcast for the next
couple of weeks.
Anthony will be away in thefaraway land of LV42, Tennessee.
And I gave you the option, ornot, I didn't really give you
(01:04:42):
the option, but I I offered theopportunity to watch the avatar
movies.
I know that we covered the Wayof Water uh a couple years ago
on the podcast, but you've neverseen either Avatar movie.
Would you be interested in doingan Avatar movie for the first
week and a Way of Water uh recapuh episode for the second one?
I am totally in.
SPEAKER_01 (01:05:03):
I would just need maybe a couple bottles of uh
let's just say uh thingsprocured in a abnormal fashion,
sir.
SPEAKER_00 (01:05:15):
Got it.
Uh and Anthony, this is uh inreference to the fact that I'm
working at a location wherethere is a warehouse full of
liquor that was abandoned, and Ipicked up a couple cases of uh
wine and other strange liqueurs.
SPEAKER_02 (01:05:29):
Like I thought he was wanting you to like you know
bootleg alcohol.
He wants you to make uh he wantsyou to make alcohol in the
moonlight.
SPEAKER_00 (01:05:40):
Uh I basically did.
I bas while I was working, Igrabbed like 10 cases of like
white wine and rose and uhTattoo Tony's Raspberry Iced Tea
Hard Liqueur.
Anyway, I know he's veryexcited.
Yeah, I'll give you a case ortwo.
Um and you'll you'll get to seeRipley again if you if you
decide to watch Avatar nexttime.
SPEAKER_01 (01:06:01):
I'm such a huge fan of Riley.
I'm so looking forward to it.
Oh, yeah, guys.
SPEAKER_00 (01:06:05):
Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_02 (01:06:06):
Oh I I did see her in a movie, The Gorge.
SPEAKER_00 (01:06:09):
Oh, yeah.
You were you were saying thatyou were watching an Apple TV
series called The Gorge.
Or is it a movie?
Is it a series?
SPEAKER_02 (01:06:15):
It's a movie.
Um with Anya Taylor, Joy, andMiles Teller.
SPEAKER_00 (01:06:21):
There we go, guys.
Thank you again for listening tous here for our 138th episode of
Project Geekology.
Again, please be sure to give usa juicy five star review if you
haven't already.
Please be sure to check into theshow notes for any and all
socials that uh you care tofollow us on.
And uh stay juicy, my friends.
Juice juice the wall.
(01:06:44):
I've finished computing.
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