Andor - Season 1, Part 1

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The galaxy far, far away has never felt so close to home. Andor strips away the mystical trappings of Star Wars to deliver something revolutionary: a raw, unflinching look at ordinary people pushed to extraordinary measures under the crushing weight of Imperial rule.

From its opening moments, Andor establishes itself as something entirely different. We journey alongside Cassian, brilliantly portrayed by Diego Luna, as a chance encounter with corporate security officers spirals into a life-changing path toward rebellion. The beauty of this series lies in its patience—it doesn't rush to spectacular set pieces but instead builds its world methodically, letting us feel every oppressive regulation, every injustice, every small act of defiance that eventually ignites into something bigger.

What makes this show truly exceptional is how it redefines heroism in the Star Wars universe. These aren't Jedi or chosen ones destined for greatness—they're damaged, desperate people making dangerous choices. The heist sequence culminating with the Eye of Aldani stands as one of the most visually stunning and emotionally complex moments in Star Wars history, revealing characters whose motivations span from idealism to revenge to simple survival. Stellan Skarsgård's Luthen Rael embodies this complexity perfectly, his antiquities dealer facade masking a revolutionary willing to sacrifice everything—including his soul—for the cause.

Andor achieves something remarkable by working within the confines of established canon. By showing us the messy birth of rebellion years before A New Hope, it deepens our understanding of the entire saga. This isn't just great Star Wars—it's great television, period. Whether you're a lifelong fan or new to the galaxy, Andor offers something profound: a reminder that revolutions aren't born from heroes or mystical powers, but from ordinary people who simply decide they can no longer live under tyranny. The rebellion begins here. Will you join it?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to episode 118 of Project Geekology.
And now that you're tuning in,we were actually just in the
middle of planning our heist.
We're trying to steal a wholebunch of credits from the
Imperials.
So you know, listen in as ourplans unfold on this heist.

(00:22):
You're not supposed to tellthese people what we're doing in
advance of our heist I am oneof your hosts, anthony, and this
week we are covering the firstsix episodes of season one of
andor.
Joining me, as always, isdakota, and yeah, we're.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
We were at least planning on stealing, you know,
a whole quarter's worth ofImperial payroll for the sector,
but that's out the window.
You might as well tell them itwas on Aldani and right on that
Alkenzi airstrip.
That's what we were going to do.
We're going to go to the nextsector, though.
We're going to figure somethingout.
Yes, my name is Dakota.

(01:02):
We're doing Andor.
I'm really excited,specifically the first six
episodes of andor, season one.
Next week, we're gonna do thefinal six episodes of the first
season of andor and, yeah, weare also joined with rich and I
just gotta say you guys gottakeep screwing it up.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Your uncle harlow would be so disappointed in you,
anthony.
He keeps giving you theseopportunities and then you throw
them all away.
Yes, you are joined this weekby your favorite character,
cyril's mom.
It's a pleasure to be here.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
I'm sure that was pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
I wasn't sure which character that was at first,
because a lot of uh, a lot ofaccent going on there in my head
.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
You were the like that I think you're
impersonating your uncle, orsomething I thought he was
impersonating that secretaryfrom like monsters inc.
Oh, yes, yes like a guy versionit's kind of.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
it's kind of like an amalgam of, really, my
mother-in-law and that lady fromMonsters Inc and the mother
from Andor.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Cyril's mom has a much scratchier voice.
There is accent there.
I think it's more British thananything but it's like I can't
even do it.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
It's so terrible.
We're going to hear a lot aboutthat lady, but I don't like her
not a fan great actress, thoughgood in a pinch, if you got the
mentors around.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Agreed, agreed, that's right, that's right all
right, all righty.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
So let's kind of start this off rich.
What have you been up to, oh?

Speaker 4 (02:39):
let's.
Let's see.
I've been playing ml as always,attending way too many met
games.
I'm actually thinking aboutgetting the Oblivion remaster.
I remember I bought Oblivionand traded it in and bought it
again and then traded it in andbought it a third time, because

(03:00):
I remember being so overwhelmedby the game.
I started playing the firsttime and my friend came over and
he's like, how are you dealingwith the gates?
And I was like, what are thegates?
And then when the gate started,I was like, oh no, so I'm a
little hesitant, just becausethe price point.
I don't know if I want to pay$50 for a remaster of a game

(03:21):
from 2007.
But a student threw down agauntlet this week and he wants
to know if he's able to beatoblivion remaster before the end
of the school year, if that cancount as his portfolio for the
class.
And I said yes, because I don'tthink he's going to be able to
do it.
I just don't.

(03:41):
I mean, they made the levelingeasier but I just, I just don't
think he's gonna be able to doit.
So, uh, I uh.
And, by the way, just as a sidenote, I never give hundreds.
I teach honors level classesand I kind of say you know you
can't be perfect, so you can'tget a hundred.
So this, I'm breaking my ownrule just to see if this child

(04:02):
can beat oblivion.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Remastered rule, just to see if this child can beat
oblivion, remastered.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Like how would you even know if he did?
Like.
Oh, he's loyal.
He's sending me screenshots.
Apparently he named thecharacter dick laconi as an
homage to me while insulting me,and then he asked me my son's
name and then 10 minutes latersaid, hey, my horse's name is
charlie.
So there's that.
So he's sending me constantupdates.
I found him to be an honestyoung man when talking about

(04:29):
pokemon trading card game pocket.
So I'm kind of honestly, thismight be the most exciting thing
that happens, then, for thenext uh, the next month and a
half, because I don't think he'sgonna be able to do it.
It's a hard game.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
You wouldn't want to give me the opportunity, because
I would literally do it.
I would play like Dude.
You know me, I'm a gamer Dude.
I'd be like, yep, I'm hoppingon that.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Well, I told him he's got to do a presentation.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
I'm getting graded for this Okay, yeah, I bet I'm
doing this.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
He and I told him that like this has to be the
presentation, like his journeyto try to get to this.
So I'm honestly really excitedfor what's going to happen.
I have no idea how this isgoing to turn out, but this
might be a really fun end ofyear presentation to be able to
watch.
So I obviously can't share itwith you guys or anything like
that, but that's what I've beenup to.
But what have you been up to,anthonyony?

Speaker 2 (05:24):
oh, hold on.
I want to, you know, mentionsomething that you mentioned
just prior to the start of therecording.
You mentioned that you hadgotten students into star wars
and that you felt extremelyproud as a teacher, because
that's a huge lifeaccomplishment.
Tell us about that yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
So, like, forget getting college credit, forget
being prepared to write goodessays when you're in college.
I, as part of my macbeth unit,include revenge of the sith,
which is amazing.
I took I kind of like went on alark, but I wanted to.
I wanted them to see the hero'skind of journey and the fall of
a hero and I thought that Iwould start off with revenge of

(06:04):
of the Sith and see if it worked.
And it worked.
So I've been teaching it fornow.
I think that this is my secondyear doing it and a couple of my
students were supposed to bedoing test prep the other day
and I walked by and I said, areyou watching Kenobi?
And she was like, yes, I amwatching Kenobi.
I was like, why are you doingthat?
Like, well, it's your fault.
You got us into Star Wars, sowe just started watching

(06:24):
everything.
And they then talked about howthey were going to go see
Revenge of the Sith in theatersthat night and I was like, but
you guys just watched it inclass like for four days with me
.
And they're like, yeah, but weget to see it in theaters now.
So I think the greatestaccomplishment I probably will
have is that as a teacher isdefinitely the fact that I got
kids into star wars like forgetabout anything else.

(06:45):
Like I taught a kid who gotinto yale last year like that
great, awesome, that was cooland congratulations.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
But more important than yale, I think, is uh, star
wars universe that is moreimportant, I would say, and I
was telling you that'sparticularly cool, not just
because you know they're,they're watching not only the
films but they're diving intothe shows.
And what's great about starwars is that there's always new
star wars content may not be,you know, always on the screen.

(07:15):
A lot of it's like, you know,comics and novels and stuff.
But lucasfilm has no plans of,you know, stopping their visual
star wars content.
We just got a bunch of news onnew stuff.
You know there's going to be amall animated series.
There's going to be.
Well, we know that there's adawn of the jedi movie that's
coming out.
That takes place 25 000 yearsin the past.

(07:36):
There's going to be a raysequel.
There's going to be a couplemovies coming out as well as you
know, new seasons of, you know,live action shows.
We have and or coming out.
Currently we have ahsoka, isn'tthere like a ventress thing
dropping too.
There is the tales of theunderground.
I think it's what it's called.
It's gonna be yeah it's gonnabe half ventress, half cad bane

(08:03):
kind of like the tales of thejedi, tales of the sith stuff
that came out, or no, tales ofthe jedi, tales of the empire.
That came out, yeah, the pasttwo years, so that's really
exciting.
Love those little mini seriesthat they come out with yeah,
those are really cool and yeah,there's a.
There's a lot of star warscontent, so like seeing that
your students, or studentsplural are getting into the

(08:25):
wider world of Star Wars justbecause they happened to be in a
classroom where they had towatch Revenge of the Sith.
For a.
Macbeth segment.
I think that's pretty coolbecause you've given them a
fandom that they can tap intowhenever they want for the rest
of their life, because it'salways going to be around.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah, that's the great, that's the crazy thing
about it.
Yeah, so that's the great,that's the crazy thing about it.
You know, it's just going frombeing the weirdo who read all
the legends material and, youknow, was going to bars and
nobles and waiting for the newtimothy zahn books to come out,
to now it being so mainstreamthat you know you hear about it
in class the next thing.
You know you're you're justkind of binging it on disney.

(09:01):
It's pretty cool, I don't know.
I never thought that I couldrob taxpayer money and
indoctrinate children into StarWars fandom.
But here we are, ladies andgentlemen, I'm living the
American dream.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Guys, not only are we planning to, you know, stage a
heist against the Empire, we'realso robbing taxpayers of their
money.
It's a good time.
It's a good time out here,anthony.
Let's jump over to you,whatever you went out to.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
I have also been doing some star wars related
stuff and that, and that's notjust you know.
Obviously I've been watchingand or in preparation of this
episode.
But I saw revenge of the sith.
They brought it back totheaters for its 20th
anniversary and, yeah, man, Isaw it yesterday in 40X and,

(09:51):
dude, that experience was crazy.
I've never seen a movie in 40X.
I've done 40X stuff in liketheme parks, but I've never seen
like a full, like you know, twoplus hour movie in 40x and,
dude, it was a wild ride, man,it was a wild ride.
That's awesome, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
I think I only have like two days left to watch
revenge of the sith in theater,so I'm going to try over the
next two days to make it to that, because I do actually want to
do a 40x showing.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
But uh, yeah, we'll see if you do, if not, if you do
go to a 40x showing, you know,like.
So they they use some of theeffects for, like the trailers
they did.
They showed a live actiontrailer for how to train your
dragon and they showed like someof the effects during that and
then they did some of theeffects during the thunderbolt.

(10:42):
So I'm assuming that there'sgonna be 40x for both.
But, dude, like I I knew theseats were gonna like move and
stuff, but I didn't think thatthey were going to like try to
throw me out of the seats.
Dude, like I was gonna getwhiplash watching that movie.
Like it was crazy.
Like that intro sequence whereyou know they're fighting the

(11:03):
space battle over coruscant waslike I, like I'm getting rocked
around, like seriously like boo,like dude, I'm like what is
going on?
This is crazy.
I didn't realize it was goingto be that insane that's cool
but it was fun though they had.
There was like mist, there's airlike getting like kind of blown
like.
If there was kind of like blastor fire going on, they would

(11:24):
like you know there would belike a there's air like getting
like kind of blown like.
If there was kind of like blastor fire going on, they would
like you know there would belike a gust of air like blowing
past your ear or like kind oflike towards you from in front
of you.
Parts that had water.
Like you know, when they werefighting on Kashyyyk there was
like moments with water, likeexplosions in the water would
like prompt like water gettinglike shot out at you during,
during the part where there wasrain, when Anakin is getting

(11:46):
brought to the medical center,there was a little bit of water
coming down from that.
It's not like they were rainingyou crazy with water, it's more
of little spritzes here andthere.
I thought it was interestingStuff that had steam.
You could hear the steam andthey would shoot out.
There would be like a littlebit of like kind of a mist, like

(12:07):
being like kind of blown outand stuff.
It was cool, man it was.
It was definitely.
I've seen revenge of the sith inlike just many ways.
I've seen it in theaters, I'veseen it, you know, on a project,
on like home projector tv, onmy phone, whatever, but I've
never experienced it as like aride and that was crazy, dude.

(12:30):
Yeah, that sounds awesome.
Yeah, man, I, I, definitely Irecommend it.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
But, dude, just be prepared, man, like you might
feel a little beat up the nextday yeah, is it possible to get
like really nauseous on thoseseats, I imagine, especially in
that first intro?

Speaker 1 (12:47):
I feel crazy.
I feel like you.
Some people may get nauseous,but I actually I felt fine as
far as that.
It was just like, oh my gosh,like I'm like dude.
I left that and I was like man,I feel a little sore.
I woke up this morningdefinitely like I felt a little
sore, but also it didn't helpwith the fact that, like, I went
to the gym prior to that.

(13:07):
So oh, yeah, so so I'm like sorefrom the gym, I'm sore from
getting like beat up by by theseat in the movie theater.
It was, yeah, no, it was.
It was fun, though, man, Idefinitely, I definitely
recommend like checking it out.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Okay, yeah, I'm going to have to jump on that.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, man, what have you been up to?
I haven't had any big thingshappening.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
I finished watching Severance Crazy show.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Absolutely just top tier.
Everything on Apple TV thatI've seen is in that league of
HBO quality shows.
Tv that I've seen is in thatleague of HBO quality shows
Right now I would say like HBO,prime and certain Netflix shows.
But Netflix isn't really onthat level and Apple TV are kind
of like in the league of theirown.

(13:56):
We're like HBO, apple TV andAmazon Prime kind of have that
pinnacle of you know justprestige storytelling on a small
screen.
And it's so good.
Severance is fantastic.
Highly recommend it.
Just a really novel sci-ficoncept, just the idea that you
know, in this universe which isit's a very similar universe to

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our own, but there is a companythat has developed the ability
to sever one's mind when youenter the workplace.
So basically, you are nowessentially a new person when
you enter the workspace.
Like that part of your mind hasno memory of your life outside

(14:41):
of work and your life outside ofwork has no memory of what you
did inside work.
So essentially, you kind ofdiverge into a separate being
and it comes with all thephilosophical stuff that you
would, you know, assume or, likeyou know, think would arise in
a world where that is a thingyou know, like the idea of,

(15:02):
would that individual part ofyou that they call it an any you
know it's your inner self thatyou don't know.
Does that get a separate soul?
It starts getting almost likereligious in some aspects.
It's just a really fascinatingconcept.
They really explore it reallywell and I'm excited for season
two.
Did I ever tell you guys like Imight be partially responsible

(15:25):
for why severance season two was, you know, so late?
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (15:31):
yeah, what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (15:32):
so severance season two is like it was like
notoriously pushed back andpushed back and pushed back, and
I literally might be you knowpart and parcel as to like why
it got pushed back.
I I'm like I've I don't thinkI've ever said it online, but
it's, it's kind of a funny story.
So I do electrical work and Iwas working for a company that

(15:54):
happened to have the contractfor the lionsgate movie studios
that they were building inyonkers oh, I remember that that
was like a.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Was that a?
Was that like a little whileago that was a while back.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
This was a while back .
Yeah, it was about a year ago.
I was working out there Alittle more than a year ago
actually, it was probably a yearand a half ago that I was
working at those studios and Iwas responsible for all of the
fire alarm in the buildings andthat's a big job.
Those are are studios aremassive.
You know you're going to need alot of fire equipment.
You don't necessarily needsmoke detectors in the place

(16:27):
where they film because they usepyrotechnics in there and
everything.
So that would go off prettyoften.
But you know, throughout theentire building, office spaces
and everything.
I was the one who did all thefire alarm solely and I kept
asking my company please give memore guys.
I'm on the gun here.
They need a temporarycertificate of occupancy, a TCO.
They want to get people filmingin here.

(16:48):
I need help.
I'm only one dude.
I don't have the means tofinish this on time.
So thankfully, I wasn't theonly contractor or person that
was late in the job, but mycompany.
They just didn't.
I guess the the subcontractorthat was working with lionsgate
wasn't paying my companyregularly, so my company didn't

(17:11):
want to put more men on the jobsite to help me out, even though
that would have boosted theirmorale, because they were like
every day, like are you gettingmore people in today?
I'm like sorry dude, I have noidea um, but anyway I found out.
I found out early on, likebefore.
It was like a push to get itall finished.
At a certain time, before theywere really on my neck, they

(17:35):
mentioned that they were goingto film severance season two
there and they were just waitingfor the temporary certificate
of occupancy.
That obviously fell throughbecause I don't know if they
filmed after that point I don'tthink so but because I think
they went somewhere else in theend.
But like they were waiting formonths to get into this location
and I, you know, along with acouple other contractors, was

(18:00):
partially responsible for whySeverance season two took so
long, and I feel really badabout that because it's such a
good show man dang dakota.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Well, I mean it really, you know, maybe it's not
my yeah, yeah, your company,but I yeah that I can imagine
that a lot of that is likereally like complicated that
whole process.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
So yeah, yeah, that's crazy, though, yeah, honestly
it was a fun time in my life,like I look back at that fondly,
not necessarily, like you know,pushing severance behind
schedule, but like that wholejob that I was doing working on
movie studios right, yeah thatwas a sick project I can a
couple years of my life I canimagine like, dude, you know,

(18:45):
like if you ever see like amovie that's coming out of that
studio, you'd be like yo, Iworked on that studio, I know, I
know, yeah, so it was that'scool man

Speaker 4 (18:55):
I really liked it.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I don't really remember what I was talking
about that got me to oh, I yeah,I finished severance.
That's what I was trying to say.
Um, I'm behind on andor.
I have not watched the threenew apps that came out yesterday
as of recording this, but I amcaught up on the first six
episodes of the first season.
So we are good to talk aboutthat whenever we are ready to do

(19:16):
so.
And I'm trying to think if Ihave anything else I wanted to
say.
I don't think I do.
I feel like I do actually havesomething else to say.
It'll come to me.
Anyway, shall we talk aboutAndor guys?
We shall oh yeah, okay, I didwant to talk about something Too
late.
Dakota, speaking about Andor,the first three episodes of the

(19:40):
second season that came out lastweek.
There was a little tease in thetimeline that you know.
There was an object thatexisted 25 000 years ago that
was stolen by rakatan invaders.
I created like a timelinetheory video that you can check
out on youtube by going to theshow notes down below, and it

(20:03):
should be the first video thatpops up under geek critique.
I'm pretty sure that whateverthey were trying to suggest will
link somehow to the dawn of thejedi movie that also takes
place 25 000 years ago.
So I'm excited to talk aboutthat.
But let's jump into sweet anddude I.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
I kind of want to just say that this show has no
right to be as good as it is,because this is literally like
nobody asked for this.
Nobody asked for Andor.
I mean, I thought Andor was areally cool character and, to be
honest with you, out of all ofthe Disneyney era star wars
movies, rogue one is actually myfavorite one.

(20:47):
I think rogue one is like just,I guess the the, the raw, just
feeling of it and like just thegrittiness of it.
And they translated that to thesmaller screen with andor and
dude.
They're just, they killed it.
You know, obviously we've allseen the first season from

(21:10):
beginning to end for a while now, but we're only going to be
talking about the first sixepisodes.
But dude, it's just like, likeit, just it baffles me.
I'm amazed on how amazing thisshow is.
Like.
I feel like a lot can belearned from this show with
other Star Wars media, like theyneed to like take whatever

(21:33):
formula is happening, obviouslythey're not gonna get the same
feel, it's not gonna be the samegrittiness, because that that
works for for Rogue One and andor.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
But I do, they're doing something, man, and it's
awesome yeah, I I don't reallyknow what the secret sauce is,
but they are cooking over there.
Well, I think that go ahead.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
I think that the big thing is is that you know how
it's gotta kind of end rightlike rogue one.
You know the way like rogue onelike bled into it, and I think
that it had the perfect level ofnostalgia, but not nostalgia in
that like it ended, you know,and you you get kind of like it
bleeds into new hope, and Ithink that it's weird.

(22:19):
But I think that operating incertain parameters, like Disney
being kind of boxed in by thetimeline, is actually helping
the series to be excellent.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
That's a really strong point, actually, and I
had not considered that beingpushed into a corner would be
good for the creative juices.
Good for the creative juices,but especially using that
concept and giving us liketertiary side characters to
follow, yeah, outside of thestar wars, you know, like the

(22:53):
main skywalker saga, you knowlike these are characters that
you know mothma, you know, meetsluke eventually, and all that
that's what I think legends didso well.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
Right is that every time a Legends book came out and
was approved by Lucas, itcreated more structures that
everybody had to navigate around, and I know that actually can
sometimes suffocate storytelling.
But I think with Star Wars, insome weird way, the more the
writer has an idea of what theirboundaries are, the stronger it

(23:27):
is like kenobi.
I like kenobi because I wantedto like kenobi, but truthfully
they had a lot more free reignand chose to go in a way that
was not as satisfying to a lotof star wars fans okay, yeah,
yeah, I was just happy to seeewan mcgregor as the character
again like yeah, I mean yeah

Speaker 1 (23:49):
I mean, aside from you know some of the grievances
of that, I still think that heslid into that character still
pretty well and not all of itwas bad.
But yeah, no, I get what she'stalking about and or is, I guess
, boxed in because you do knowthat pretty much after the
second season it rolls into,it's obviously going to roll

(24:12):
into, rogue One.
So you know, or or I, it wouldhave to be like, okay, yeah,
well, there goes Rogue One andthen you know then, yeah, that's
that for, uh, cassian andor.
But yeah, man, this firstseason, you know, getting to
know cassian, and it starts himoff in the same way that we're

(24:34):
introduced to him in in rogueone.
You know, like this man, yeah,that's funny you know, like he
he, though, though I will saythat those guards were asking
for it he was just trying, hewas on his way, they were
messing with him, and it wasfunny because the supervisor of
that facility, he called it outhe said they obviously like ran

(24:58):
up on somebody that was thewrong person to mess with and
they got killed for it.
And he I was like dude.
He nailed it Like they messedwith the wrong guy.
I was like dude, he nailed itlike they messed with the wrong
guy.
He was just trying to go abouthis way yeah, before I forget
rich.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Last last week you broke my heart with that babe
ruth thing that you mentionedthat insight about the cold shot
.
I have to break your heart alittle bit based on something
that you just said.
So lucas did not approve thosenovels what no, he did not.
Most of them anyway he did.
He did not.
There was a couple likesplinter of the eye, he did.
But most of the novelslucasfilm approved.

(25:36):
But and lucas just ownedlucasfilm, you know, he didn't
really read through any of it.
There were certain things thathe took from legends and brought
into canon but like, like thename, coruscant that's a, that's
a legends thing that he carriedover, but the majority of the
stories and everything he didnot consider I mean honestly,

(25:59):
dude, there was so much of it II read every page.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
I would believe that he didn't have that much control
over it.
I mean, on top of all the booksthat came out, there were a lot
of video games that came outtoo, like just.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Shadow of the Empire.
Was it the game was?
I'm trying to remember, or?

Speaker 1 (26:18):
was that a book?
No, I think that was a book.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
There was the one with Dash Rendar.
I know we had uh, it was a darkforces.
That was a game there.
Oh, there was the masters ofterra kai and, of course, the
best game of all time,non-negotiable, is knights of
the old republic oh yeah, that'sall the republic is like one of
my top favorites of that time.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
They were absolutely awesome.
And then battlefront,battlefronts.
That was.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
The battlefronts were so, so fun.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
The battlefront threw me off for one reason and it's
the dumbest reason ever, anddakota and I briefly touched on
this, but the in battlefront 2,I believe the actress who's in
the game is the actress who isthe shiva from the league which
is the show about fantasyfootball, where they basically

(27:07):
made their high school crushtheir, uh, fantasy football
trophy.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Oh we're talking about the new ones.
We're talking about the oldones, but but yeah other than oh
, okay, yeah, we're talkingthere was like a series of
battlefront games for, like thePS2 era.
Yeah, oh, there was a box.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
You're talking about.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Inversio.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
Yes, yes, that's what I'm talking about.
Yes, there was a brief periodof time where I had a
non-functioning game system, soI think that's where we're
talking about, which?

Speaker 1 (27:38):
which actually that's a good point to swing us back
around to Andor.
It's a good point to swing usback around to Andor.
That story in Battlefront 2 isa perfect example of like it
shows and Andor shows us a lottoo is that there's a lot of
people it seems like there's agood bit of people in the Empire
that are just not on board withwhat's going on.

(28:01):
And you get that with you know,you get this with an imperial
officer and a formerstormtrooper.
You know they've become rebels.
You know, with one kind ofbeing inside and it's
interesting to see the rebellionat this state.
Dude, it's budding at thispoint.
It's tiny.
You can even call it arebellion.

(28:22):
It's like a, you know it's, it'ssmall acts of terrorism,
basically dude, dude, seriously,I mean at that point it is, but
it's, it's really interestingthat they like finally given us
this like ground floor view ofthe rebellion, you know, but
when we, when we catch therebellion and the original

(28:44):
series like the, the rebellionhas existed already and they've
already been actively fightingagainst the Empire but we didn't
get to.
Okay, how, when did this start?
How did they get to where theywere?
And it's people on the insideof the, obviously the, the
empire, and people in the Senate, man People backing you know in

(29:09):
the Senate that are backingthis.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
Tariffs man, tariffs, lucas knew man.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
It's all about the tariffs, bro, and dude, like
watching Phantom Menace nowadaysis like it's so topical I
didn't think that would everhappen in my lifetime but
extremely topical.
Yeah, what you're saying,anthony, about like how the
rebellion took shape, we see itfully functioning in the
original trilogy.

(29:35):
Yeah, but at this stage it'snot fully functioning, it's
barely functioning and it'ssplinter groups that have yet to
form a united front.
Basically, and there's talkabout a united front, there's
dreams about a united front, butnot everybody thinks that

(29:55):
rebellion should be run that way.
As we know from at least rogueone, sometimes some of you know
from like clone wars, yeah, hedoes not see rebellion as fully
altruistic.
You know he has dedicated hislife to a, you know, very

(30:16):
extreme, you know death, to allimperials type of you know
rebellion.
So he's he's on the extreme end.
But what we're seeing in thisshow with andor is, I wouldn't
say it's like small acts ofrebellion, because we're we're
starting to see, you know, somereal organized crime when it

(30:36):
comes to, you know, bringingdown the empire.
Yeah, especially in that secondarc that we have on aldani, we
we meet this guy named Luthenwho's like such a fascinating
character.
I don't understand him.
I almost don't even want tounderstand him.
He's an enigma.
I want like he's such amysterious person.
This guy who collects rareartifacts has an you know, like

(30:59):
a rare artifact store for thevery wealthy of Coruscant.
He has a huge network ofaccomplices and clients.
In his shop you have a Gunganshield, you have several pieces
of Amidala's headgear on theshelves you have Plo Koon's mask
, but that's just a facade.

(31:20):
His whole shop is a facade sothat he can operate in the
background.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Operate in the background yeah, yeah he's a
genius he is man dude, stellanskarsgard.
He plays that role so well.
I love him and you know, get weget diego luna back and uh,
cassie and andor he, um, youknow it had been a while,
because I think what 2022 waswhen we got the first season of

(31:47):
andor and it was what six yearssince rogue one, 20, 2016 yeah,
it was when rogue one right.
So I would say they probablystarted working on it like
towards the tail end of maybe2020 to give or take, so, or I
mean they've been working on itfor a while, but maybe like

(32:08):
actual filming and productionwas after that point.
But dude, I mean he slidesright back into that character
so well, he sells it that he'sthis guy that you know, he is
kind of like looking out forhimself, but he does want to do
more, but he definitely keepshis cards close to his chest and

(32:31):
you see that a lot in thesefirst six episodes and or as a
show just kind of goes to showthat you can take any character
from Star Wars and write a bookabout them.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Each character in this galaxy has enough to say to
make it worth watching orreading or experiencing.
Andor is one of thosecharacters and, honestly, had
you asked me in 2016, who wouldyou make a movie about after
watching rogue one, I'd have toreally think about it and I
don't think andor would havebeen in my top three picks right

(33:12):
, maybe saw, saw guerrero wouldhave been yeah yeah that's
better or so.
Uh, krennic, yeah, galen or so.
I want to know more about I Iwould want to know more about.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
I would want to know more about Chirrut.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Emwe yeah, dude Chirrut and uh.
Chirrut and Baze Malbus the.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Wills and stuff.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah yeah, I would not have thought that Andor
would be that guy, dude Andor.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Andor to me was like I'm not sure if you guys have
seen South Park the movie longtime ago, but yes he's like.
So inside the movie there was acharacter who's helping them in
their own rebellion and he waskind of french-esque, like some.
He was some foreign or hewasn't american and he smoked

(33:56):
cigarettes, even though he wasonly like nine years old and he,
he, uh, he's like, did you guysbring the butt for?
And they're like, what's thebutt for?
He goes for pooping silly, likethat was the one time he was
like relaxed and like that to mewas cassie and andor, so much
you know.
So I did not expect for them toexplore this character and it's

(34:20):
made all the difference, Ithink right, right, right.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Like he was like a main-ish character in Rogue One,
like he was like a maincharacter but the story
obviously centered around JynErso, jyn Erso, her father, and
then you know the whole story ofhow they got the plans of the
Death Star.
But, like you know, andor andor you know his character was

(34:46):
cool.
You know, I didn't hate hischaracter in rogue one at all.
I thought it was, I thought hewas awesome.
But yeah, like dude, like hewasn't the one that you would be
like, oh yeah, like you said,like he wouldn't have been a top
three pick but somehow theywrote a whole show about him,
they wrote a whole show the showafter this guy.

(35:07):
And they're killing it Like howDakota, how?
This blows my mind.
How is this show existing andhow is it like this good, based
off of a character that maybe avery small amount of people
asked for?

Speaker 2 (35:22):
what I like is the realism yes and or because you
have plenty of star wars.
That's escapism you have plentyof star wars that you can go
and just escape reality from,but you have to understand all
the mainline story dude prettymuch, yeah, save for maybe rogue
one.
But you have moments in starwars that you can't really you

(35:46):
know escape from or like.
There's certain stories thatare more grounded, and this is
one of those stories.
There's no jedi here.
I don't even think they'vementioned jedi in the show right
right, yeah if I, if I canremember now, yeah, I don't
think so.
This is first six episodes nowfor sure as of this first, yeah
they have not mentioned jedi oranything like force related, and

(36:09):
the force has always been themain thing when it comes to star
wars, like there's always amajor spiritual element that was
like the selling.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
One of the selling points of star wars was like
these mystical, like samuraisthat wields laser swords man
yeah, they don't got laserswords in this one no, no,
there's the stakes are higher,man.
The stakes are higher, like youknow, when you see a star Wars
movie or even a Star Wars TVshow with a Jedi in it.

(36:41):
Like you know that they'regonna like mow down these
Imperials, man.
They're gonna like, they'regonna destroy him, man.
But like these people, theseare people that they don't have
these powers, they don't havecontrol over the force, man,
they have to like be verymethodical and the things that
they do and they have to plan.
And obviously, you know, thisheist that happens in that

(37:03):
second arc is something that hasbeen planned for a long period
of time and you know, andor kindof just comes in and crashes
that, in a way, because ofluthen yeah, it's crazy, should
we talk about the individualarcs?

Speaker 2 (37:18):
We haven't really scratched the surface of the
first one, right, right, butyeah, so the first arc follows
Andor, specifically after he hasthat encounter with the Primor
guards on Rolana 1.
And he accidentally kills one.
He decides to save his own neck.
He has to kill both of them.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah, yeah, accidentally kills one, he
decides to save his own neck, hehas to kill both of them.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yeah, yeah he accidentally gave away a huge
bit of information about himselfto you know some girl at the
strip club.
Basically, and yeah, I meanthat happens to all of us right
of course, yeah, no, I mean theamount of times I've you've
given out my social securitynumber and everything.
it's embarrassing at this point,dakota, you know he's just out

(38:05):
there giving out his fulladdress, you know yeah yeah, but
he gives out his, you know,like part of his origin, which
is the planet that he comes from, and Canary is what it was and
that's how the primor is itprimor?

Speaker 4 (38:23):
I keep feeling like I'm saying that wrong did his
sister actually work there ordid he assume that she did,
because that's what a womanwould do in?

Speaker 2 (38:34):
trying to find a position well, okay, so I I
don't know that she definitelydid or definitely didn't, but he
was under the impression that,like he was given some intel
right right that okay, all rightyeah yeah, I wasn't sure, if it
was like a type of thing where,like, all right, I'm gonna show
up where I think she, andbecause of the plight of women,

(39:00):
she had to take this role.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
You know, like I was, that's the only thing that I
was unsure about.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
No, no, he stepped in there with it was a purpose,
like he had a he stepped in witha purpose Like he went there
purposefully, not you know.
Oh, maybe she may be in here.
Like you know, it wasn't like acheck, like it was more of.
Like you know, he came in, yeah, like dakota said, with a piece
of information and he's tryingto clarify whether or not that

(39:28):
piece of information was true.
And that piece of informationis that he was looking for a
woman that is from canaryari andthat's where he's from.
And that's actually part ofthat arc too Is showing where
Cassian is from.
He grew up in this tribalcommunity.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah, to be honest, I didn't care too much about the
flashbacks.
I never care about flashbacks,actually.
I almost always find myselfreally bored when flashbacks
come on For just about anything.
You can have a whole show basedon flashbacks, like I remember
when arrow was coming out orlost.
I don't care about what happenedat home or naruto I, just I, I

(40:07):
want to know what's happeningright now in the story and they
kept cutting back to that and Ididn't think there was a lot to
say personally about, you know,andor's life on canary.
I think it's an interesting bitof lore, you know.
One or two flashbacks may havebeen, you know, sufficient for
me, but, yeah, I felt that thatwas probably the weakest part of

(40:29):
this.
This first three episodes wasjust the flashback episodes, but
I, I did really like how theytied it in to you know how.
That's how they found a lead,basically as to how they were
going to track him, and that'salso how we are introduced to
Cyril Karm, who is a.
What's the name of the company?

(40:50):
Anthony, you mentioned itearlier.
Prelor.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
Premor, premor.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, so he I don't even understand, I don't know
what his actual job title is,but he took it to the extreme.
He made a huge error inbringing a whole bunch of guys
to try to look for Andor, and Ithink it was something like six
or seven of the guys ended updying on his mission to capture
the guy who accidentally killedone guy and then purposely

(41:16):
killed another guy.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
But anyway, a lot more people died because of your
mission than would have if youjust listen to your superior's
orders and let it go dude, Ilove during this part, dude, I
loved luth and I loved how hehad like these little things,
like these rules that he woulddo and he was like he said, kind
of like a rule of thumb, buildyour exit on your way in, dude,

(41:39):
and he had set like charges onthe outside.
I'm like dude, I just knew thathe was gonna be like.
He was awesome.
I was like yeah, he's justextra yeah yeah, no, no, it was
funny.
But yeah, originally luthan getscalled in because he's
connected with bix, which may ormay not be I mean at this point

(42:02):
, may or may not not have been,you know, romantically entangled
with andor, which is kind ofsafe to say that something went
down with them.
But yeah, he's trying to makesome money, he's trying to get
out of there because he knowsthat he's being tracked down for
those killings and he's tryingto sell this sealed was a star
path unit yeah and which issupposedly worth a lot of money.

(42:28):
And instead of getting paidmoney, he gets a job which is
ultimately worth more than whathe would have.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Yeah, star path unit but dangerous, dangerous.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
There was a lot of work to be put into that.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
There was a lot of danger yeah, we, we meet a
couple people that will be, youknow, important later on in the
show.
Like you said, we met bixkhalin and her horrible
boyfriend tim.
I hate that guy.
Although I didn't want to seehim die like a chump, I hated
that guy.
That was a terrible scene, likeyou know.
Like, obviously, bix was mad atthis guy for ratting out her

(43:04):
childhood friend and or, butmaybe not childhood friend, but
you know, her friend beinglocked up as the person that you
are currently romanticallyinvolved with, dies on the steps
, like a couple feet away fromyou and you can't reach them.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
That's just terrible yeah, no, absolutely that was
crazy.
I thought it was interestinghow everybody kind of alerted,
like you know, hey, there's someyou know pretty more people
here, you know looking forsomebody and like kind of
banging on like a bunch of scrapmetal and stuff yo, I love the

(43:37):
culture in morlana one or no,it's not morlana one, that's the
planet that he or the moon thathe attacked those guards right
but I I love the culture inaldani.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
That is aldani aldani is the second planet.
I forget what the first planetis.
It's gonna bother me, butanyway I love that you know.
Like you said, anthony, theystart banging like they have
just random pieces of sheetmetal and tools that you can
bang on all over town wheneverthey want to alert the rest of
the town that something's goingdown.
They don't even know what'shappening.

(44:10):
Ferrix Half of them.
They have no Ferrix.
Yes, thank you, anthony, thatwas going to really bother me.
So the ferrix has like a verylook after your own type of
mentality.
They don't want outsidersgetting involved in their
business.
I also love the guy who has thebell duty in the morning.

(44:31):
You know he just kind of likestretches his arms and then he
just starts hitting the bellyeah it's the coolest bell tower
I've ever seen.
I feel like that would be such asatisfying thing to hit.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
I know, and it's a crazy looking one too.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
It kind of looks like an anvil or something.
I'm not sure you guys picked upon it, but I don't know.
This is a very little knownactor.
His name is Ethan Embry.
He was in Can't hardly wait.
I was like a teen movie in thelate 90s, early 2000s and he had
like a spot role in in thefirst six episodes where he was

(45:09):
like an outside guard.
I just love how they.
That's the other thing that'skind of cool about these series
and you know I think we'vetalked about it before, or at
least you guys definitely havewhere uh bill burr was on uh
mandalorian and just theselittle uh spot like actors that
are getting like these littlekind of like opportunities and I

(45:29):
I just it's another thing thatI'm really enjoying about the
disney star wars yeah, because I, I think a lot of people are
super willing to, you know, be apart of star wars, even though,
historically speaking,especially in the past, you know
a couple decades being a partof star wars is not always a
good thing and you get a lot ofhate online.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
But, yes, I, I think that that's pretty cool asha may
what rose tico little annieyeah, no, I actually felt bad
for him and ahmed best yes yeah,yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
I don't think they deserved it to get ragged on
like that.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
No, nobody deserves to get ragged on, you know, for
a role that they played in amovie, absolutely unless they
like, antagonize people for it.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
You know kind of kind of um like you have the the I
I'm not gonna get too deep intoit, but, like you know, there's
the whole snow white thing thathappened and like the main
actress was starting toantagonize people but I don't
think the hate was equivalentand that's the thing he, I don't

(46:36):
think like what she did,warranted the outburst and
outrage that you know ensued,same with like well, she, she
would, I want to.
She antagonized people and waslike, oh well, I don't need your
business and that kind of stuff, you know, like that's that is,
you know, like that's what I'msaying like she kind of
antagonized people, whereasthese people just did their job

(46:58):
and they got made fun of for itand they got attacked and and I
wish that jake lloyd would havegotten kind of a second chance,
in the same way that ahmed bestdid, like I'm.
I think it's really cool thatthey, like you know, worked them
in to be like a really likeawesome jedi master.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
So but yeah, he did show back up.
So what's different about ahmedbest and jar jar is I think
that he was already an adult bythe time that he played that
character yeah, yeah, absolutelythe.
The thing with jake lloyd is,you know, you're not a fully
functioning, even teenager atthat point.
So yeah, that was, that was.

(47:40):
Uh, that's a sad story foranother day.
Yes, yeah, let's, let's jumpforward to the second arc,
unless we have anything else tosay about the first arc.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
Rich, no first three episodes.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
No, you guys got it covered pretty well right, right
, yeah, that first arc reallylike sets the stage for the
second arc.
Because you know this is wherecassian is brought over to these
group of rebels that you knowthey have a plan but their plan
is not.
Even you know it's not ahundred percent, and he calls it

(48:13):
out.
He's like y'all don't know,y'all know how.
Do you know how this?
Know what y'all are doing rightnow?
You know how to fly this.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Their plan had a lot of holes in it.
Yeah.
Like a lot of holes and theywere only five.
They had been planning for likewhat they said five months and
they only had like five daysleft before they actually had to
do the thing that they neededto do.
I did really like the coverthat they chose for this
particular event.

(48:42):
Yeah, like happens every threeyears on the dot has happened
for time immemorial on thisplanet, aldani, where basically
it's this huge celestial eventwhere it's almost akin to 50
meteor showers happening all atonce.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
You know, it's like the movie your name happening 50
times it's crazy yeah, no, itwas such a beautiful event and I
thought it was so cool.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Man, I do, it's one of the most magical star wars
moments yeah, right star wars,like it's just like like the awe
and the spectacle and like youcan kind of.
They played it so realisticallyBecause, like they, even like
the Imperials, Like this issomething that you know when
they're stationed on this place.
Oh, you got to see the eye, yougot to be there for the eye.

(49:33):
They talked about that, theywere excited about that and
everyone acted like you would inthe real world if this was an
event that's happening.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
You have an eclipse, that's happening outside you
have a solar eclipse.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Everyone's gonna have their glasses, everyone's gonna
be prepared, everyone's gonnafind a spot to, you know,
witness a total solar eclipse.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Absolutely because that is mind-blowing, you know,
and this is, like I would say,more mind-blowing yeah, no, no,
seriously, if we it's like it'slike mixing a meteor shower with
an aurora borealis, like mixedtogether, it just the sky was

(50:12):
all lit up and it was kind ofdifferent colors and it looked
so cool and that that's.
I thought that that sequencewas really, really cool, where
you know, they're kind of likeeverybody's getting into place
and then, yeah, man, like whenthey actually get to that vault
and they like bust it open, likeI knew that things were just

(50:33):
gonna get crazy.
Yeah, like somebody was gonnastart snooping around and be
like like their comms aren'tgonna be all the way down or
something.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
I knew it was going to be something the crazy thing
about the stakes in andor isthat the only characters you
know for certain that will makeit out of this show alive that
they've introduced are cassieand andor and mon mothma.
Those are the only twoindividuals in the entirety of
the show that are safe, at leastin this show, because we know

(51:05):
Cassian exists past this point,we know Mon exists past this
point.
But everybody else isexpendable and the script uses
that to its advantage.
You don't know who's going tomake it out alive.
You don't know who's going toturn on you.
You don't know who's going tomake it out alive.
You don't know who's going toturn on you.
You don't know Like evencharacters like Luthan.
We have no idea if he ever getsto see.
You know the United RebellionRight yeah, takes on the Empire

(51:30):
in the original trilogy.
We don't know that that's goingto happen at this point.
So, it's really.
It's a really cool concept andI think you know we've kind of
danced around why this is sogood, and I think part of it is
just writing and directing.
You have a very competentwriter, you have a very
competent directing group or Ishould say writing group and

(51:53):
directing group Because there'smultiple writers, multiple
directors for this series andthey used the same writer that
they got for the rewrites ofrogue one.
Some something in rogue onewasn't working, so they called
in this guy, tony gilroy, who,notably, has mentioned in the
past and this is like you know,in like the rogue one era that
he wasn't a star wars fan whenhe was writing rogue one and I

(52:14):
think that was a strength in histhing, because you kind of for
something like andor to work,you need someone on the outside
to look at things from adifferent vantage point and this
is that's exactly what andor is.
It's a different vantage pointin the galaxy.
You have the rebellion.
You know that these are goodguys.
Everything in the originaltrilogy says that these are the

(52:37):
guys you're rooting for.
These are the good guys, goodguys who are bringing down the
oppressive government.
But to do so, to get to thatpoint, you got to get dirty.
Things have to get really badand really nasty and you're
going to make mistakes andyou're going to have, basically,
small acts of terrorism, whichis what we ended up seeing in.
Aldani, and they don't reallyunderstand what a rebellion is

(53:00):
at this point.
They only see it as small actsof, you know, organized violence
or crime.
Right, that helps bring themdown.
So, and that's that's what wehave in this, this arc, and it's
so good and there's not even.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
You know.
The group doesn't even fullytrust each other either, you
know?
Yeah, that's another thing.
It's that this is such an earlybudding version of the
rebellion that we get in theoriginal or Star Wars trilogy.
I mean, like you said, you knowyou're getting gritty and that

(53:37):
might consist of some of therebels killing each other.
You know and you get.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
You get guerrilla warfare, basically Rich.
I want to ask, like, how youfeel about the rebellion at this
stage?
Like, how do you feel like they?
What are your thoughts on it?
It like are they good guys atthis point?
Are they terrorists?
Are they trying to do the rightthing for the you know, or
doing the wrong thing for theright reasons?

Speaker 4 (54:04):
are they're doing the right thing.
I mean, I I think back to thedeleted scene from fringes of
the sith which would have takenplace beforehand, right and bill
organa, and they're all tryingto kind of rally the senate, you
know, to do the right thing,essentially.
So I I think I don't thinkthey're.
I mean, I suppose in some waythey are terrorists.

(54:26):
I'm a little bit, uh, a littlebit of a bleeding heart liberal
over here, so I'm gonna kind ofside with the rebellion over
here, lutheran obviously I Ialso side with the rebellion
over here.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Lutheran, obviously I I also side with the rebellion.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
I'm not trying to say that oh well, I mean, no, no,
you're, you're, yeah, no, you'rethe american conglomerate and
you're just opposing vietnam.
Uh, no, but like I'm at thesame time, like I think that
there will put together at thesame, but I I wouldn't again.
This is my own poison, but youknow, like luthan seems like a

(55:00):
guy who, if you just put aninfinity stone towards his heart
, you know like he mightcompletely betray everything he
believes in and I interesting.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Okay, so all right.
So you have the rebel.
You have the rebels on aldani.
You're saying that like youdefinitely consider them the
good guys and, for the intentsof the story, they are the good
guys.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
That's not really a question and we understand that
what they're doing is for thegreater good.
The Empire is doing so muchmore harm than the Rebellion
ever could or ever wishes to.
So you know what they're doingis necessary, necessary.
But you're saying that luthendoesn't seem like a totally good
guy and given the opportunity,he would stab.

(55:41):
Well, we, we know that he islike a backstabber in certain
aspects or form, like I don'tthink he was inspired to join

(56:04):
the rebellion because he wantedprofit or safety.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
But there's a part of me that I'm not sure if it's
very sol guerrera but I justdon't trust that Luthan is doing
this a thousand percent for theright reasons.
I think that there is asomething that maybe motivates
him past his desire forpolitical justice.

(56:34):
Like, I don't know in the sameway that I don't trust chuck
schumer, I don't like, I don'tknow, like I I there's something
that inherently I'm like Idon't believe you.
I don't know why, but I don'tbelieve you, and I'm not sure if
it's the wig or what it isabout him it's a facade.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
And he and that's a great scene too when he puts his
wig on and he kind of does alittle dance and he smiles and
he just gets into characterright before he has to go back
to work.
Quote, unquote.
It's a fascinating scene and,yeah, we don't really know if
he's a good guy or not or whathis true motives are.
We don't know his background.

(57:15):
You know, in the first season Ithink there was a lot of people
who you know really bought intothe rumor that luthan was, you
know, a jedi or a former jediand he's trying to take down the
empire because of what they didto the order.
But we don't know, we've got noconfirmation about anything
with that or anything about that.
With luthuther, he doesn't seemto necessarily be, or he hasn't

(57:40):
shown any force, sensitivity oranything like that.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
So, yeah, well, I mean honestly, you could say
that literally about everybodyin this show, everybody cassian
cassian has he's shown theability to to kind of like, you
know, backstab and just be likeyou know, I just want my money
and I'm out of here.
You know literally everybody inthat group.

(58:02):
Yes, they wanted to get back atthe Empire, but literally for
their own reasons.
They all had their own reasonsfor doing what they did.
It wasn't for a collective kindof rebellion, like you said.
There's different cells butthere's not really a united
front rebellion and it's showingthat they each really have

(58:24):
their own motive for doing whatthey're doing.
They're kind of uniting for thesake of uniting, but there's a
you know, you see, that theydon't trust each other.
You have them getting angry.
That you got.
You know cassian is beingpromised to be.
You know that they don't trusteach other.
You have them getting angry.
That you got.
You know cassian is beingpromised to be.
You know that he's getting paidand so, yeah, a lot of them.
And the other guy man, I forgothis name.
The other shady guy, keen, yeah, skiing skiing.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Okay, yeah, with a name like skiing, you got to be
a little yeah, yeah, so so youhave skeen and he has his own
motives and like when, afterthey escape, they escape the dam
he kind of.
He kind of abandons the, therebel cause, for the sake of,
you know, personal gain.
He hasn't even like he nolonger.

(59:10):
Even I, I do believe that hehad a brother and you know, like
he, you know his originalplight against the empire was
real.
But for all intents andpurposes, the amount of money,
like 40 million, that he wasplanning to, you know, take for
himself was enough for him toforget about everybody.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
You know right, right , and in that moment I don't
think that.
So cassian kills him.
But I don't think it wasbecause he was like, oh, he was
gonna take off him.
But I don't think it wasbecause he was like, oh, he was
going to take off and leave withthe money.
I think it was because he knewthat if he were to leave with
this guy, that this guy wasgoing to try to kill him, and so
I think it was out ofself-preservation.
So I mean, when you really goback to it, you could point your

(59:50):
finger to any one of thesecharacters and say that they
really have their own motive todo what they're doing and it's
not really for the greater good.
I mean, sure, it may affect fora positive, you know, stealing
from the empire is a positive,but in a way they're kind of
seeing it like they're gettingwhat they feel is owed to them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
You know yeah, no 100 .
I really loved this second arc.
It's the one that I remembermost when I think back to this
first season of andor, justbecause, like, the spectacle
that was the eye of aldani isjust so burned into my memory.
It's just such a great scene andit was the whole heist was done

(01:00:36):
so well and written so well.
And again, like tony gilroy andhis writing team I don't know
if tony gilroy is a star warsfan now, but like back in the
rogue one days he had mentionedthat he wasn't a fan so like
coming into the universe withoutall that baggage that is
inherent to fandom probably, youknow, gave him the edge with,

(01:00:57):
you know, writing these scripts.
But, as rich was saying, beingboxed in by the canon really,
really worked in their favor.
And I think that's the like ofall of the star wars shows or of
all the star wars content,really, that we've gotten so far
.
This is the strongest case thatI can find for the lucasfilm

(01:01:19):
story group, which is like theircollective canon moderators
that you know, like they knoweverything that there is to know
, like they have people who aregood at timeline stuff, good at
planet stuff, culture and youknow aesthetic and all that
right.
And having that team come into aproject like this and say this

(01:01:40):
is available to you, this isavailable to you.
Keep going down this way.
You're you're like this is aperfect path to go down.
Having that guide for someonewho isn't a big Star Wars fan
and somehow marrying those twoconcepts into the show is so, so
cool, and I'm such a fan.
I can't wait to finally watchthe second half of the season

(01:02:03):
for the next episode.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
I also believe that what really helps us out is that
it's not a Star Wars TV show.
It's a show that's set in theStar Wars universe, and you know
it's.
Yeah, that's a good way to putit and and it takes away a lot
of that mysticism that the mainstoryline has which don't get me

(01:02:24):
wrong, you know that's what wecame to know and love about star
wars but the fact that we camein and we got something that was
different and that it workedand it didn't feel like they
were trying to force it but itfelt natural, I think that man,
they killed it and this is not ashow that someone like george

(01:02:44):
lucas or dave filoni could haveever come up with in a million
years.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
You give them 400 scripts.
They're not going to come upwith something like this because
they will always like geartowards the more mystical and
the more like sci-fi aspects ofit or science fantasy aspects of
it.
And yeah, it's just acompletely different type of
Star Wars that we're not used toand I think it's so refreshing
to watch.

(01:03:08):
But I think we should come to aclose with our podcast.
Any last thoughts?
We'll start with you, Rich.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
It's bothering me that I can't remember his name,
but the character who I likedthe most in the first yeah,
exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Brasso, yeah, I forgot.
I mean he's the guy who.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
It's crazy because like now that I've seen more of
it and there this seems to be arunning gag with me that I, once
I see more of a show, I enjoy acharacter's earlier performance
more, but I it really kind ofbummed me out that we lost him.
He seemed so interesting and Ialmost wish we could have had a

(01:03:48):
little bit more of him oh, Ithink you mean nemek.
Yeah, nemek nemek is the, is theguy that I just he was somebody
who really he's out there.
He was different and I reallykind of enjoyed him and I wish
that there was a little bit moreof him.
He just I don't know if you've,I've, I'm a very, as I've

(01:04:10):
mentioned many times, I'm veryold the, uh, mission impossible
movie.
At the beginning I remember Ireally loved emilio estevez's
character.
He was like the.
He was basically like like nicknemec, he's like the techie guy
that everyone trusted and hedies within like the first nine
minutes of the movie and I waslike, no, and that's how I, um,

(01:04:31):
I felt about nemec here.
I kind of, you know, becausehe's the guy who I would be
right Like, he's the characterthat I could see myself most as
and I'm like, oh no, he died,although he's writing a
manifesto and he's trying tolike put into words what the
rebellion means to him and whatoppression means to him.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
I think he's a very powerful character, even though
he's probably physically theweakest of those people, but his
heart was 100% in it, probablymore than anyone else there, at
least that we know of.
But anyway, yeah, nemec'sawesome.
I really also liked Brasso.
That was Cassian's friend whobasically he gave.

(01:05:11):
He was the first one Cassianwent to when he needed an alibi.
He goes to brasso and brasso herolls with it yeah, immediately
ultimate bro.
He's the ultimate bro very darkand yeah, I love, I love brasso.
He's a great character andwe're gonna see him next week,
guys, but anthony, what aboutyou?

(01:05:32):
What uh?
Last thoughts on andor seasonone, first six episodes it's
awesome, you know, those firstsix episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
They lead up to a really good build-up and I know
that that build-up is going tocontinue on and I'm excited
about the latter half of theseason.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
There's a lot of really cool things that happen,
a lot of really cool charactersand, yeah, man, I'm excited
there's only one way out, guys,and that's by giving us a juicy
five-star review and catching usfor our next episode, where we
will actually, you know, talkabout the one way out storyline

(01:06:11):
on narkina 5.
That's going to be really fun.
I'm really excited about thatbecause Andy Serkis in Star Wars
.
We had him as Snoke, but seeinghim in his physical, regular,
normal human body is a treat,and he's such a great actor.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Definitely come back next week as we cover the next
six episodes of Andor.
But again, yeah, I wasmentioning you guys got to give
us a five star juicy review.
Like a juicy juicy, I waseating a chimichanga on Monday.
It was a massive chimichangafrom a Mexican restaurant,
chorizo rice beans.

(01:06:46):
Oh, it was so juicy and I wasthinking that's the, just like
that chimichanga.
Your review on whatever podcastapp that you're listening to
should reflect and yeah, that'smy personal thoughts.
Guys, if you want to check outany of our socials, be sure to
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(01:07:08):
there.
But yeah, see you next time,guys.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Alrighty peace.