Andor - Season 1, Part 2 - Project Geekology

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Speaker 1 (01:33):
Guys, my name is dakota.
We are covering the second halfof the first season of andor.
Um, as you you may or may nothave uh remembered uh, keno
loi's uh speech in the Narkeenaarc.
What a great speech.
I don't know if I did justicewith that.
I hope I did.
My cheeks are kind of redbecause I was very animated in

(01:54):
my delivery.
But yeah, again, my name isDakota.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
I'm joined, as always , with Anthony and yes, so
Dakota doing this like monologue, it was actually me that like I
actually sat down and I kind ofdoctored it a little bit and I
was like yeah, you know, let methrow some podcast stuff into
this.
So so yeah, I definitely sentthat over and we were still kind

(02:24):
of like deciding whether or notwe were going to do it, but I
thought it would have been fun.
But, yes, I am Anthony, andjoining us as always now,
frequently for a while now, is.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Rich, really excited to talk about this.
You know, obviously, with thecurrent season ongoing, uh, it's
been.
It's been fun and actuallyreally informative.
As I think I say every timethat we talk about something
that I re-watch, I seem toreally like the second season of

(02:58):
shows so that I can go back andappreciate the first season
more, and that's exactly what ishappening I'm.
I think there was stuff that Iwasn't really picking up on,
whether it's just for lack ofattention you know poor, what
poor watching habits uh, youknow just having my phone out
and stuff like that where Ithink this show really commands

(03:21):
attention and I'm excited totalk about it very well put.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Um, yeah, the the current season of andor is still
ongoing as we're recording this.
You probably, uh, by the timethat this goes out, um, the
final three episodes of andorwill have either uh, just come
out or will be coming out in thenext 24 hours.
So that's exciting.
Um, as of now, we I think we'reall caught up on the second

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season of andor.
And, anthony, did you watch thelatest episodes?
no, I still have to watchanother two of those episodes
okay, those are the the two bestepisodes of star wars tv like
literally ever.
I'm just gonna put that outthere.
Like there has literally neverbeen better star wars tv, and
it's probably better than mostof the movies as well, if you're

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actually comparing everythingbut, um, it's, it's really
really good.
So I'm I'm excited for you tocheck that out.
We won't spoil anything here,um, but lots of better than solo
I would say it's better thansolo.
Uh, personally you know are youa?
Solo a fan like I, actuallydon't know, I, I have no idea, I
I um I'm just such a han guy.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
My favorite, my favorite han book, my favorite
star wars book was the han solotrilogy.
Okay, uh, they just collected,just like his backstory at that
time, which is, you know, Ithink you know it's legend or
whatever.
I'm not sure if they'veaccepted that as canon, but I
those were.
That was one of my favorite, myfavorite books, so I just fell

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in love with the character andliked.
I wanted to like the movie.
There are a lot of things wrongwith it, but do I have the
golden dice in my mirror?
Yes, I do, the one that theyretconned into being there
forever when Rey had to handthose over to Leia.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
There you have it.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
I think Dakota and I had briefly mentioned it.
We kind of briefly talked aboutit before.
I mean, obviously it came outbefore the pod came out, but I
think we had mentioned that likeit wasn't like at least to me
it wasn't like the worst of theStar Wars movies and I feel I

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feel like the actor whoportrayed Han.
I feel like he put his bestfoot forward.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
So did we cover Solo on the podcast?
I don't even remember or did weskip it and just go straight
into Rogue One and all that?

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, I think we actually did.
I think we skipped it.
I think we just covered RogueOne.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
It's okay, we will cover Solo a Star Wars story at
some point, I'm sure.
Okay, cool, good to know.
I completely forgot that.
We completely forgot that.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
I guess that is kind of our that's.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
That's at least my stance on solo.
I just I I often just forget itexists, but uh, yeah, we are
not here to talk about solo, butwe're.
We have a lot to talk about.
Star wars wise.
Um, of course, the the latestthree episodes of andor, um, you
know, without going into anyparticular spoilers, does lead
into the.

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What's really cool about these,these three episodes, actually
is it directly leads into thestar wars rebels episode called
secret cargo and in that episode, um, the ghost crew as well as
Gold Squadron, they pick up MonMothma as she's being escorted

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out of Coruscant Because shemade a very spicy speech against
the Empire, like that.
That rebels episode is theepisode that they uh that like
she and then she gives anotherspeech after her coruscant
speech where she basically likestarts the rebel alliance.

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It's so cool watching thosethree episodes of andor and how
they nearly perfectly line upwith the events of that, uh,
star wars rebels episode.
I just want Rich, you mentionedit last week and it's like
blowing my mind that you knowmost IP stuff.
I think most people would agreewriters don't like working

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within the boundaries of canonand that's why when you get
universes like the DCEU withdifferent directions and stuff.
Often the films feel verydifferent and they have very
wide.
You know it's wildly differentin certain areas but, like with
Star Wars and especially withAndor, you were right in saying
that the fact that they'reconfined within this canon,

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these parameters that they can'tcross, or they they cross very
lightly because they do that itmakes what they have to, like
they just like hold themselvesin and write them out, write
themselves out, you know, andit's like the coolest way of,
you know, expanding the thesestories with andor and all the
other characters, like monmothma and stuff so very, very

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cool stuff, very cool stuffhappening in star wars right now
.
And you know, this past week was, uh, may, may the fourth, so
may the fourth be with you guysyes and also may the fourth be
with y'all and revenge of thefifth actually, uh, disney did
have like a may the fourth saleon their website and then two

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days later for revenge of thesixth they had, they had another
like flash sale on on liketheir disney store for star wars
.
So it wasn't revenge of thefifth, it was revenge of the
sixth.
But I guess that kind of makessense.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, yeah, it does.
Um, I think most people willsay like revenge of the fifth,
because they're like it's rightafter the day after, yeah, yeah
but anyway, we also got a newstar wars show.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Um they, they released all the all six
episodes of tales from theunderworld.
I don't know if any of you guyschecked that out.
I did not give it I actuallycaught the first.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
I caught the first two episodes in like an
interesting way.
They actually showed it infortnight.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, yeah, they had a screen wait, the first night,
the first two episodes of theasajj ventress.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yes, I didn't know you were a fortnight bro, bro
I'm not really a fortnightperson, but like when I saw that
they were doing they were doinglike an early screening.
I was like, yeah, let me hop onthere.
I mean, I I have playedFortnite from time to time and
it is like pretty fun,especially since there's like a
no-build mode.

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That's the one like whenever Ido play, that's the only one
that I'll like really hop onto.
But yeah, man, yeah, so yeah, Ichecked it out that way.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Okay, that's pretty neat.
I don't know if those episodeslike that's pretty neat.
I don't know if the sixepisodes are worth a full
podcast, but did we ever doanything for Tales of the Jedi
or Tales from the Empire?

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yes, if I remember correctly.
I don't know if we did both,but I know we did one of them at
least.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
All right, I'm going to look this up.
Hold up Project.
I don't even remember We've hadso many episodes.
At this point I don't evenremember what episode this is.
Is it 1-8?

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Oh yeah, we are in episode 119.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
119.
I didn't even mention that atthe top of the show Tales of the
Empire.
I'm assuming we did Tales ofthe Empire.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
I think I remember listening to that episode 80.
Yes, we did.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Tales of the Empire.
But we didn't do.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Tales of the Jedi yeah, so I mean, if we want to,
we could keep it Star Warsthemed and do Tales of the Tales
from the Underworld.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
If you guys are interested, next week break up
the Andor fun or we can justcontinue through Andor and, you
know like go through season 2because it's like fresh in
everybody's minds yeah, I Ithink that that would be good to
kind of I mean, tales of theunderworld is new, but I do want
to kind of give people a littlebit more time to, like you know
, get and get into and watchandor to uh season two, because

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I mean, like you know, andor islike one of those shows that
like it's really good but likepeople are slow to get to it.
That's true.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, I've seen a lot of people online who have
basically just been told for thepast decade that Disney has
ruined Star Wars and theyhaven't given Andor a chance, or
they just assume it's boringbecause it's like a pretentious
uh, top, like you know, topshelf kind of show, um, so that

(11:49):
they they've written it off justbecause it's disney star wars.
And, yeah, I, I that's thesentiment that I see a lot
actually online, um, which isreally upsetting because it's
actually like legitimately verygood.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
But I mean, I'll always say it, I just don't, you
know.
If you don't like it, don'twatch it.
It's just like I don't um yeah,in my world, star wars is
something that happened a long,long time ago in a galaxy far
away.
I download it as history fromanother galaxy.
I don't argue it.
I don't argue france ferdinandgetting shot to start world war

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one.
All right, I, I, I don't.
I don't argue that stuff, thatthat stuff is ancient history.
It happened, it occurred.
Shays' Rebellion happened, andyou know what else happened.
The Battle of Yavin, and youknow what else happened Obi-Wan
for some reason being protectedby a line of fire where Vader
could have walked around it.
Look, them's the breaks, guys.
Stuff happens, alright, I'mjust I, them's are the breaks.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
I understand where, like, people are coming from,
because there are certain thingswithin the IP that have been
mishandled and like that kind oflanded not in, you know a
really good way.
I mean like obviously, like Imean Dakota.
You remember talking about howyou weren a really good way.
I mean like obviously, like Imean dakota.
You remember talking about howyou weren't really 100% bored on

(13:09):
obi-wan and even like theahsoka show, and I actually love
both of those characters.
So I understand where they'recoming from, you know.
I mean I get where you'resaying rich, but I, you know,
it's still a, it's still afictional world and a fictional
IP.
So if somebody feels likesomebody's kind of coming in and
infringing on that and kind oftaking something that was

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special to them and trying toinject, you know, I guess, extra
stuff that they feel that's notnecessary, then you know I can
understand where they're comingfrom.
But, with that being said, thereis a lot within the disney star
wars universe that is reallygood, you know.
And or, being one, you knowfirst couple seasons of the

(13:55):
mandalorian being another one.
Uh, dude, we got rogue one.
Rogue one's amazing, you know,we there would be no.
And or, if there was no rug one.
So I mean, yeah, there there'sa, really there's a lot of great
stuff within the, within the,the disney star wars universe.
There's a lot of not so greatstuff.
But then again a lot of peoplesaid the same thing about, like

(14:18):
the prequels, uh, the prequeltrilogy of star wars.
And then now that's kind ofstarting to.
You know people are starting tocome around on that.
You know hayden christ kind ofstarting to.
You know people are starting tocome around on that.
You know hayden christensen isstarting to like receive a lot
of love now for it.
When he received he was one ofthose people that received a lot
of hate for it also.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
So so I mean you know ?
I understand both sideshonestly I see where you're
coming from.
Yeah, absolutely so.
Yeah, I guess uh did anyone doanything.
Uh, particularly uh star warsrelated for may the 4th or you
know, like the the this pastweek outside of andor.
Um, that is is worth sharing um, I did kind of.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
I mean, you know, with may the 4th kind of like
coming around, there's alwaysStar Wars like related video
games that go on sale.
So there's this game that Iremember playing years ago and
it's like one of my favorites,like kind of from like that
early 2000s era, and it's thewhat do you call it?

(15:25):
it's, um, it's called star warsbounty hunter and it takes and
it's about jango fett and it andit's, um, it's pretty much like
just after phantom menace and Ithink like 10 years prior to
attack of the clones, and youkind of like figure out how he
became the template for theclones and it's, it's really

(15:47):
cool.
I, I.
It was one of those games Ireally enjoyed when I was a kid.
So when I saw that it was onsale I was like, dude, I'm on it
, like I need to hop on it.
So, yeah, no, I have beenplaying that.
I mean I, and then also I canshare.
Uh, if, if you guys notice thatmy voice is different, I did
upgrade my microphone system.
I got a Shure SMB7 and someother peripherals.

(16:13):
I've got a Focusrite 2i2, thirdgeneration and a CL1
Cloudlifter to kind of top itoff, along with a boom arm and
stuff.
So I just kind of wanted toupgrade my mic setup.
I know dakota said that.
You know he's interested indoing it too.
I also actually, when Ireceived the microphone, because

(16:34):
I heard that the smb is one ofthose ones that are so easily
spoofed, I actually had to liketake it apart to make sure that
it was a legit like um smbbefore I I actually, like you
know, rated it on mercari, youknow, and when you rate it, it
releases the money and, like youknow, that's it.
Like you, you can't get you.
You know, like you, you prettymuch like okayed it.

(16:57):
So, yeah, no, I took it apart.
I checked, like the internalsand I was like, okay, yeah, it
looks legit.
So so, yeah, man, yeah, I'mgood, I'm good to go.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
You went on like a whole little journey with this
microphone dude.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
I really did man.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Rich, we got to upgrade.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Definitely Mine is substandard, but it's got three.
I'm going to tell you what Ilove about it, honestly, and the
reason I have my setup.
And I did actually, you know,for a while I was doing more
podcasts so I had looked into acouple of different headsets
that I really liked, and Ialways want to do a headset.

(17:32):
I'll be honest with you, Idon't, uh, I I'm not not sure if
I'm ready for the, the separatemic setup, but I got this
headset because it's got a 3.5millimeter jack and, uh, I I was
messing around with some stuffthat had usb connections or
whatever, and I did not enjoythe experience.
I just like the 3.5 millimeterjack.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
I think it's much clearer and I like the audio
quality yeah, nice, anthony you,you sent me, you sent me the uh
, the list of everything thatyou got for your mic setup.
So I'm I'm eagerly waiting toget paid so I can start like
chipping away at, uh, some ofthat.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
So I'm excited.
Yeah, well, I mean that that'swhat I did, like I got I had.
I've had this boom arm for awhile and I had the focus right
for a while.
I also also had the XLR cablesand the mic extender that I'm
using.
I've had that stuff for a while.
I literally only needed theShure SMB and then the

(18:35):
Cloudlifter and I literallyfound somebody selling both for
a really good price and the factthat I checked it out and the
mic is legit, I'm like, dude, Ireally got this for a steal.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Nice yeah, because if you look up all the items that
you bought, which I did, itaverages out to a little over
$800 for stock price of thatstuff.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
I got the Focus right , so it's the third generation.
I mean I'm pretty sure thatthere's a fourth generation
that's out.
Uh, that one, I had gotten thatone for sale, so I got that one
for a little bit cheaper, uh,and then everything else, I
think, was like pretty much onstandard price.
But yeah, the, the one, the,the one that was always going to

(19:23):
be like the.
The biggest chunk was going tobe the microphone, because even
like the cloud lifter, the cloudlifter is 150, but you could
find, you, you could probablyend up getting it around like
the 80 to 100 range.
It's just that sure microphone.
It.
Just even the used ones thatare legit, like, maintain their

(19:45):
price.
So the fact that I was able toget both of these in a bundle
for a good price, I was likedude, like you know.
Just I was happy about thatawesome bro.
Um you do anything else thisweek while, while you have the
spotlight nah, man, uh, justjust gaming on, uh, you know,
star Bounty Hunter and gettingthis microphone set up.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Awesome man, rich.
What about you?
Let's see.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Star Wars Day.
I obviously just binge watcheda bunch of I think I started
with I didn't even put it onDisney to enjoy hitting a good

(20:31):
weekend of movies on, like youknow, fx or whatever.
Uh, before I, before I had ondemand everything and it I think
that you know they were, Ithink it was like tnt or maybe
it was fx was playing like everysingle star wars movie with
commercials, right, which youwould be like.
Why would you do that toyourself, rich and I?
I love this sounds weird, but Ifind joy in that two minutes
that I'm given to run to thebathroom or to go grab a bag of

(20:54):
chips and make it back in time,just for it to start up again,
like there's something I don'tknow about my childhood because
I didn't have pause so I had to,like, run upstairs and from the
basement and get back there intime.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
And I think it's safe to say that, like all of us,
even Dakota and I lived had achildhood where there was no
pause.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
All right, so you know, it's that two minute.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
It's something like it's the respite that I kind of
sometimes needed once in a while.
So I I did that and my wifemade actually a bunch of star
wars themed delights that I didnot get to have any of because
she brought them to church andshared them with church people,
uh, so, uh, there was cupcakeswith those darn churchgoers.

(21:39):
I know there's these galaxycupcakes that had uh x-wing like
.
So they were.
She got chocolate molds sothere were x-wings made of
chocolate but but painted grayoh cool all right on top.
And then there were uh, pretzelrod lightsabers, uh, for the
dark and the uh, you know, forthe dark side of the forest.

(22:00):
Obviously you had the reds, andthen you had a blues, and and
then she asked me which colorm&ms would be the best color
buttons on luke's uh hilt and Isaid, uh, none of those, because
it's a slide black button anduh, yellow and red doesn't work.
But she went ahead with itanyway and it was delicious, I
was told.

(22:20):
That's really uh, I think whatI was doing in terms of star
wars stuff, you know, just stillenjoying my, my mets meteoric
rise to uh, to dominance yeah,actually dude the mets are doing
really well this this seasonthey, uh I'm.
I look like a genius to my wiferight now because I told my wife
we're gonna buy a 40 gameseason ticket plan and there's

(22:43):
gonna be a lot of games youdon't have to go to all of them
and also I will sell some and Iwill make our money back.
Maybe not completely, butenough to take off a large chunk
.
And the mets playing theyankees over july 4th holiday
has been a lucrative deal for myfamily.
My friend, I unloaded two gamesand I made back a third of

(23:05):
essentially what I paid for theseason nice, we're still and
we're still going to the thirdgame, so nice soon.
This is, that's very.
I told my wife I wanted tostart buying just season tickets
for franchises all over thecountry and then just flipping
deals and then, uh, she remindedme that that's a terrible idea.
I just got really lucky thatthe mets have become a randomly

(23:26):
good team and people want to gosee them and it's the yankees
and I'm not gonna lie, that's alot of you know they're the top
in the league right now, rightoh yeah, this is going to be the
yankees versus the mets isgoing to be quite a clash.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Uh, because both of them have been on quite a path
yeah, they've both been doingreally well, dakota and rich are
gonna be like in in the stadium, just like across from each
other.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Like you, you've got like binoculars looking across
the the stadium like if, ifdakota with your rich.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Has this like fist up , like darn you, you yankees fan
if rich is rich is looking outat me from across the stadium
with the binoculars.
I just grab a hot dog and I ripit in half, just drop both
halves.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Why would you waste a hot dog?
I will say this, I think,because I know of your.
You know the moment you hadwith Chohei when you were out in
Los Angeles.
When you were out in LosAngeles, if you come to Citi
Field and you see the Metsversus the Yankees and you see
the Mets put on some kind ofincredible athletic performance,
you might be swayed, my friend.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
That might be the key .
I don't know.
That might be it Nice.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
So yeah, dakota.
How much was that one-pieceYankee shirt?
I don't know it was a gift.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Come on.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Rich man, you guys got to bring one piece and a
fold.
Well, I did.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
One of our players has some sort of one-piece
adornment on his baseball cleat.
I believe Francisco Lindor hada character.
I think I sent it to you guysin the group chat right away
when, when you challenged mewith, uh, with anime being a
little bit more specific, snap,I think that that that was when

(25:16):
dakota and I were on our uh tacoescapade yeah, when he was down
in miami, literally just likehigh on tacos, there's so many
tacos um, that was awesome

Speaker 1 (25:29):
yeah, um, all right, so I'll jump into what I've been
up to uh, this past week.
It's been mostly star wars.
Honestly, I I've been watchinga lot of andor a lot of
re-watching on this season, um,re-watching the latest episodes,
because, you know, I've justbeen uh amazed by the writing
quality.
It's become like the best showof the year.

(25:50):
It's not even just like a goodstar wars show, it's it's like
currently the best show of theyear and I don't know how.
Um it also became like the mostrelevant show of the year
because it's just like the bestpolitical and cultural
commentary I've ever seen fromstar wars, but anyway, so so
that Andor's good.
We'll talk more about Andorlater.
This happens to be anAndor-themed podcast.

(26:10):
We, or I, also watched Talesfrom the Underworld, which has
three episodes about AsajjVentress and three episodes
about Cad Bane.
The Asajj Ventress episodes areinteresting because they take
place post clone wars, um, andthe cad bane stuff takes place
pre-clone wars, so uh it's right, right, right.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
I was gonna say, like I noticed that and I know we'll
talk more about it that theasajj ventress ones take up
right after a certain book.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Dude, I was freaking out about that.
I was like no way did theybring the ending of this book to
the small screen for a10-minute episode.
No way did they do that?

Speaker 2 (26:59):
That was crazy.
Yeah, I was like oh my goshwhat?

Speaker 1 (27:03):
I could not believe that.
And it's actually like the thelines that they say in the book
I was, I was verklempt.
I I couldn't believe it.
Um, yeah, that was, that wascool.
Uh, what else have I been up to?
I last night I watched, or Ire-watched, uh, howl's moving
castle, which is a hayaomiyazaki movie.
I forgot how beautiful thatmovie is.

(27:24):
It's just like every shot isgorgeous.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
It's been a while since I've seen that one.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
I think while it's not my favorite of his movies,
it is probably the height of hiscraft.
Like, if you rank them byvisual output, I think that is
probably the most striking of ofhis movies.
Working on my timelines youknow how it is I'm almost

(27:52):
through the era of kurok, aboutto start kiyoshi.
In my timeline script.
I'm like 17 000 words into myscript.
It's gonna be a multi-hourvideo.
At this point I've just kind ofresigned myself to that fact.
But I'm really excited about myavatar timeline um, and I've
like really been like kickingmyself in the butt for not like
working on it harder.
So I I've the past couple, thepast week or so, I've written

(28:16):
like 2 000 words into it.
So I'm, I'm, I am moving, I'mmoving.
Guys.
Did anyone see the new marvelmovie?

Speaker 3 (28:23):
oh yeah, I saw thunderbolts.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
I forgot to mention that uh, I have not seen it, but
no, I haven't seen it yet.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
You know, I'm, I'm, I'm half, I'm half, you know, on
the fence.
So you know, should I watch itin 40x?
No, I'm just kidding, um, Idon't know.
I'm still like I'm not sure,sure if I may go and see it or I
may wait until it streams.
I'm not too sure.
Rich, tell us your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
I thought it was really fun.
I thought that, you know, Idon't know, I mean I'm not going
to say it's exactly likeGuardians or anything like that.
I mean it does have somesimilar kind of overtones of,
you know, being a team and likethat team being a family.

(29:09):
But you know, I don't thinkthat's got to be particular just
to marvel.
I just think that it'ssomething that tends to work
really well.
I think it's a formula offlawed characters coming
together and, in their unity, nolonger being flawed, you know,
or realizing that they werenever flawed to begin with.

(29:30):
Type of story interesting, okay,you know, that's just the,
that's just an easy, that's justa good story to tell, you know
in general, I think and it'speople will connect.
Yeah, people connect with it.
There's you immediately allowfor somebody to be
self-deprecating, or manycharacters to be
self-deprecating, you know.
So I I actually I think it's Imean like I thought it was funny

(29:54):
.
I thought there were momentsthat were uh like emotionally uh
gripping.
I mean I'm not gonna say it wasthe most you know emotionally
gripping movie I've ever watchedin my entire life, but there
were some moments where, youknow, I I definitely felt for
the characters, but top to Imean I really enjoyed it.

(30:14):
I I also I mean I've kind ofsaid this before I I tend to go
to these things with theintention of enjoying it.
Right, like I'm excited, I'mlike, yay, I get to see these
things on screen.
Uh, I right yeah I, you know all, I think, all of us really you
go in super optimistic.
Yeah, I mean, all of us grew upreading this stuff right, and

(30:37):
really there was nothing everaround other than like for me I
remember at first was watchingthe superman movies on channel
11 on in new york when they cameon and that's all there really
was.
So I just love seeing it on thebig screen, I just love seeing
it at all, and I like whenmarvel takes a shot and or just

(30:58):
gives us some of the charactersthat are not the, you know, not
the, not the ones that we alwayssee because someone's someone's
.
The ones that we always seebecause someone's, the ones that
are off the beaten path.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah, I've heard that this is basically like
Breakfast Club, but forsuperheroes.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yeah.
Yeah, that's actually reallyapropos.
I think that's perfect and it'sfunny.
Breakfast Club is I mean Idon't even know, I feel like
it's almost like cliche to sayit, but it's in my top five,
like if you're taking out anykind of science fiction or
superhero stuff, right, you'rejust like name your top three
favorite movies.

(31:34):
Breakfast Club is there Verycool, good to know I love this
movie.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
I feel like we unlock new rich lore every week, and I
think that that's important.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
You know rich lore every week and I think that
that's important.
You know rich, rich lore is.
You know a lot of the, thelisteners.
They know about our lore.
You know, and our lore goesback you know many years, but
you know that they're trying to,they have to catch up on the
rich lore hey man, yeah I.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
I don't even know some of my lore sometimes.
I didn't even know that I madea podcast about Tales of the
Empire until like 20 minutes ago.
I listened to that.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
I remember where I was in my backyard while I was
doing yard work this summer whenI listened to that episode.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
That's incredible, I mean.
It is actually kind of coolthough, like when, when you
listen to something, or you youknow experience something, your
brain, um, you know kind ofmarks where you were in your
life with that media, and a lotof times like I'll re-listen to
audiobooks that I've listened tolike years ago and I'll be like

(32:39):
, oh man, I remember being likeon this job site doing this
electrical task that you know Iwould have never thought of
again.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
But yeah, dude, isn't that insane.
I've had, yeah, there's.
There's some like episodes ofuh, of like certain podcasts
that like when I like I'llscroll over it and be like, oh
man, yeah, I remember when Iused to work at Publix.
I would like listen to the, tothese episodes like episodes
like when I was closing in likethe nighttime and Rich.

(33:09):
For you who may not know whatPublix is oh, I know, publix,
you know Publix.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Oh man, our family vacations.
We'd land in Miami Beach, we'dgo to 65th and Collins, check
into the Bel Air Hotel, and thenthe first thing was we had to
go to publix, we had to go getour food for, uh, for the two
weeks they were staying there.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Oh okay, do you get any of the you know pub subs?
We got the pub subs.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
I mean, my grandfather's favorite thing was
that there's cuban, fresh cubanbread, like actually in the
bakery.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
So yeah, that you know we would get that.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
I grew up on that win dixie lifestyle oh, win dixie,
that was a little bit, uh, alittle bit out of the miami
beach environs yeah, it was yeahno, I, I'm I I lie.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
I uh, I lived right next to public, so I don't know
what I was gonna say I thinklike the closest, like when you
were living down here, I thinkthink the closest Winn-Dixie
would have been In Homestead,yeah it would have been.
No, there was one in Cutler Bay, but like it would have taken
you like extra time to get there, Like you might as well, have

(34:13):
just gone to that Publix.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, all right guys, let's talk about Andor Season 2
, because we got a lot to talkabout and we're like almost 40
minutes into this.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
But you know, I'm gonna I.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
I forgot to crack open this beer, so I'm gonna I'm
gonna do that I thought youwere cracking open like a slim
jim or something no, but thisdoes happen to be a juicy ipa oh
, it's the sam adams new englandjuicy ipa um, and I saw it in
the store and I was just like Igotta grab it and it's actually

(34:45):
pretty high alcohol content,considering it's just like a Sam
Adams like can of beer.
It's seven, seven percent soand it is actually juicy.
It says it's tropical andrefreshing and I have to admit
I'm not the biggest ipa fan.
I like them there, I like theoccasional ipa.
This is like a reallyrefreshing one.
I'm not sponsored at all, I justwe love the word juicy here on
this podcast.

(35:06):
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review our podcast with fivestars, those are five juicy
stars and uh, yeah.
So wherever you're listening tothis, if you haven't already
list or, you know, rated ourpodcast and you want to get more
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(35:29):
specifically a juicy review, afive-star review and yeah on
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Speaker 3 (35:38):
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Also the official gum sponsorof this podcast.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
I was going to say was this episode being sponsored
and I didn't know.
Like you know, dakota's gotthis juicy IPA.
That just, I guess, goes wellwith our plea for your guys to
rate our podcast.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
I cracked this open and it's all over my computer
screen.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Alrighty, yes, let's hop into this second half of
Andor season.
I almost said Andor season two.
I mean Andor season one.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Alright, so we have our boyian and or he's in hiding
.
Basically he's gone to, uh,what's the planet called niamos?
Yeah, the planet's calledniamos.
It's basically like miami, butlike a whole planet of miami.
Um, it's very laid-back, exceptfor those pesky Imperials that

(36:38):
just they just happen to bethere and he happens to be there
at the wrong time and theycatch him for something he is
not even involved with and theymake up fake charges for him and
he's sentenced to six years injail.
You know, I mean, he diddeserve let's put it clear he
did break the law several times.

(36:58):
You know he killed two of theuh preox morlana people.
He killed a couple more onpharix when they attacked there
and uh, then he, you know, stole, like you know, 80 million
credits or something from aldaniand he helped.
He helped that that theft.
So there was definitely stuffto catch this guy, you know, on

(37:22):
and like send up to jail.
But the charges they made upwere were made up, it was.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
It was just so crazy that, yeah, I was gonna say that
, like out of out of likeeverything that they could have
charged him for, they like madeup charges to throw him into
jail.
Had they got him for like theactual stuff he did, he would
have been in jail for like life.
Oh yeah, no, actually they knowthey would have executed him
actually they would haveexecuted him, maybe not so much

(37:47):
for what happened on pharynx,but definitely what happened on
um aldani they would have justlike killed him for that or, or
isb would have had that like himinterrogated with, like that,
uh, that stuff that they wereinterrogating vix with, which is
like the such a.
We'll talk about that later it'slike what is it like?

Speaker 1 (38:06):
just creepy vr yeah, so it's actually really
interesting.
I guess the empire had to likekill a population of sentient
creatures that were supposedlyrebelling and their death cries
are almost melodic, but in a waythat it's just like

(38:26):
heartbreaking and like soulrending.
Yeah, that, the idea that likeit's like children die, like
listening to the deaths ofchildren, like while they're
singing, is such a creepytorture tactic.
It's, it's super like Nazi-esque, you know, like you think of
all the crazy experiments thatthey were, you know doing to

(38:51):
people in some of theconcentration camps and a lot of
times in Star star wars theempire is visualized as the
nazis, you know, like they havethat.
Look the, the uniform, the, themarches and stuff.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Right.
Right, they were definitely.
The empire was definitelyinspired.
I mean, you got stormtrooperswhich were like literal, they
literally existed within the,the ranks of the nazi yes, the,
the literal term uh isstormtrooper.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Yeah, it comes from, uh, the nazi party, but um, yeah
, so he gets sent to narkina 5,which is a crazy concept for a
prison yeah, maybe think of likethe raft, but instead of in the
water, they're above the wateryeah, what did you think of the
the raft?
But instead of in the water,they're above the water.
Yeah, what did you think of theprison Rich?

Speaker 3 (39:41):
I like the prison a lot.
I won't lie the way he getscaught, I'm a tourist, I just
it's just, it was so.
I guess, tropey, I don't know,maybe it's because it wasn't
enough time, like it was just soquick, like he was, you know,
and it was obviously because, Imean, he, it's just so fast.

(40:02):
They might as well just done ina montage, just made like an
80s style movie montage, wherelike bix is like basically like
well, you know, like no, wecan't do that, you can't, that,
just that just won't work, youknow.
And then he, he runs off andstarts to be wanton and then,
you know, some crazy partymusic's playing and then he gets
taken down because it was justa little too quick for me and,

(40:26):
and obviously, you know, just sorife with, you know, the.
The world is such a bad placeor the universe is such a bad
place, the galaxy is such a badplace that you know, know, you
do real crimes and you don't getcaught for it, but it's so
corrupt that you can get sweptup by the law for no reason.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
And, uh, that part was just a little, it was
heavy-handed because it wasquick and okay yeah, I do like
the idea that the empire doesn'tknow that they have cassian
andor in custody.
They're looking for this guy.
Oh yeah, no, and he's in prisonbut, like I would have liked,
what?

Speaker 3 (40:59):
if he's there, why isn't he there for?
Look, he's there for a week.
He's not just like hooking upwith some lady friend and like
possibly getting like high ordrunk or whatever right you're
asking me.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
I don't know well, well, I mean, the thing is, is
that they're not.
They're not gonna add, addunnecessary scenes to the show.
Obviously, this show is not theshow that.
If you want a show that hassome sort of filler in it, this
is not that show.
This is just not going to bethat show.

(41:31):
Like um, you know the way thatthey like span time, you know I
mean you could make that sameargument for what?
What was going down on aldani.
You know, the man got there andthen, like you know, just
instantly, like now, he's justlike storming, you know,
storming that dam well, I meanmore like the idea that I guess.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
I guess what I didn't like about it was the
association that he was becausehe wasn't staying and he was
kind of running away Right, thathe kind of got punished for
running away and you know, liketrying to kind of live his best
life.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
But that that was the point though.
That that's, that was the point, that literally the the point
of the whole show.
It's all the culmination ofstuff like that, and it shows at
the end of the season and theend of the season, so so in that
very moment, it's showing howcorrupt the empire is and

(42:30):
they're just like trying, likethey're trying to grab like
anybody that looks like I meanto be, to be, I mean, if you
want to be candid, like he waslooking a little suspicious.
He was looking over hisshoulder.
I mean, he wasn't doinganything wrong.
Looking suspicious, you know,might not be bad, but he was
kind of looking over hisshoulder.
You know, especially with thoseguys kind of like running

(42:52):
around.
So I mean, you, you could makethat argument like, okay, maybe
he was a part of them becausehe's looking kind of you know
these guys are running.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
You know what I'm looking like.
I think I left that part.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Okay, that so so, yeah, like you know, and even
even like the stormtrooper waslike you know, like what are you
doing?
Like why?
Why are you looking like overyour shoulder, like that?
Why are you looking sosuspicious like are you running
with them and so like?
But yeah, so like it was thatinstance, like the fact that he
got caught and then he got justthrown into prison for six years

(43:26):
for something that he didn't do, that is just showing the
corruption of the empire.
All of what happens, likeespecially you, especially from
the beginning of the season tothe end of the season, it's just
showing, it's like peeling offlayers of what the Empire really
is and it's showing how badthey really are.

(43:51):
And this is just one facet ofthat.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
I really like this prison arc.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
I do too.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
this is just one facet of that.
I really like this prison art.
I do too, I as an electrician.
I really like the concept ofjust using electricity as your
motivating factor, you know, to,you know, for for the prisoners
to like stay on top of things.
It's a very clean aestheticthroughout the, the entire
prison arc, like it's a very,almost sterile you know it arc.
Like it's a very, um, almoststerile, you know it's.

(44:17):
It's obviously cruel, likeeverything that they're doing is
very cruel, especially the factthat, like the, the team that
performs worst gets, you know,gets zapped, while the other
teams get to eat.
That's that's crazy, you knowthat's that's uh, it's actually
like extremely cruel and, likethe best table, gets flavor in
their food oh, and they're intheir slop.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
It's not even food, it's literally slop a little bit
of salt, please, please um,just bland slop it's that.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
It's the blue milk from octu it's the oof the blue
milk that's like three monthsold.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
What do you guys think about how this arc
progresses from beginning to end?
So we have Cassian taken in tothis prison.
We have him start to like themoment he gets in.
Actually, he's like looking andhe's counting the guards's,

(45:18):
seeing what he's up against.
He's he's actually a very liketactical person.
Um, and I don't think he waslike maybe he was formally
trained by marva and uh, his,his father, his adoptive father,
but we don't really know whathis training is.
He just happens to have thatmentality of like I got to get
out of this, you know, and he'sgoing to find a way.

(45:39):
And he takes that knowledge andas they learn more about what's
happening in other sections ofthe prison, they start to form a
plan of like escape and it's,it's such a exhilarating arc,
you know, like the by the theend you're so pumped up with
adrenaline because you have seenlike these people you know

(46:04):
beaten and oppressed, and a lotof them, it seems, aren't even
in there for reasons that theyare deserving to be in prison
for you know like, and yeah,they made up charges for him,
you know like.
So I'm assuming the otherpeople aren't.
I mean, maybe maybe some ofthem were criminals or whatever,
but to be treated in that wayis inhumane, even if it looked

(46:27):
really clean and sterile, youknow.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
And and like the fact that, like, I guess, like one
of the things that like reallylike started that off was the
fact that a guy that wassupposed to be like transferred
to that prison just gottransferred to another floor oh
man yeah, that's poor.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
I actually feel bad for keno because he's a believer
.
You know, like he's a believerin the system.
Whether he actually didanything wrong in his past life
to get him into prison or not,he realizes or he believes
through and through.
Keno lois, um, the characterplayed by andy circus fantastic
job by him, by the way um, butyeah, he, he believes

(47:06):
wholeheartedly that if he doesthe right thing, if he leads his
team to producing the most uh,whatever the item is we find out
later in the season in like anafter the credits thing, like
what those items that they'rebuilding are, but we, he
believes that by doing so, hewill, you know, get out uh and
just be, be out in the realworld.

(47:27):
Finally, he's got like 200something days left.
That all comes crashing downwhen he finds out that, because
of some new mandate by theempire, they're not letting
anyone out, they're just sendingthem right back to other floors
so that they can just keep thismachine churning.
It's really psychologicallycrazy and that's his breaking

(47:50):
point.
Prior to this point, we haveAndor asking him how many guards
per floor and he doesn't sayanything.
You know he's he's very like no, we, we're not doing this,
we're not doing this and then,as soon as he finds out that
they're not planning onreleasing anyone and he's so
close to being released he's gotless than a year left that's
his breaking point, you know.
He's that that up the the waythat one episode ends where he's

(48:14):
just like never more than 12.
I remember watching that live.
Uh, like the the day that thatand or episode came out and that
was like the big thing ontwitter that week is like never
more than 12.
It's just such a powerful,succinct line that just like
it's like a calling card, likeyeah, we're, we're all watching
and or we all know what thismeans it's, it's epic that and

(48:37):
then, like the following week,you got one way out dude, it
doesn't get better, yeah, yeahseriously, man, that that, that
monologue was just, it was just,it was so strong and dude which
one?

Speaker 2 (48:50):
I don't remember oh, you're talking about.
Yeah, you know the know themonologue about.
You know just.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
About the podcast.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
How the algorithm is, you know, trying to oppress us
and you know push us down.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Oh, they're keeping our podcast down that there's
only one way out, you know.
And there's three of us.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
But yeah, definitely, you know, hearing that, that
monologue and like it it got youpumped up, man, like you know,
as the viewer you're like, yeah,man, like you know, I kind of
want to break out with them, youknow, but it was, it was crazy
and like at the end it reallydid show that like andy circus
did like care about these peoplebecause he literally did this

(49:40):
whole breakout thing and like hegot stuck, he couldn't swim oh,
it's the worst.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
It's like it's it, had it.
It gave me flashback to titanic, though, where I'm like jack.
Jack could have probably stayedon that, that piece of wood
with you, and I just feel likeenough guys care about him that
you know they could have formedlike a swim I was thinking that
too.
I don't understand why, likethere was no attempt, like I

(50:05):
don't, he's not, it's not, it'snot lava, like like he's not
going to die the minute he hitsthe water right, and and he had
men who cared about him, and nowhe he inspired the entire group
out.
Uh, I mean, they're there.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
It's, you know it's it's.
It's an interesting thing youbring that up because in the
next episode, after they breakout, we have Cassian and one of
the prisoners, melchi, you know,trying to make it out alive
before you know like theempire's like finds them
basically um.

(50:40):
So we don't actually know howmany people realistically a made
it to shore, b um, got got towhere they needed to be safely
and and c escaped the planet um,and I think the, the consensus
or what we're supposed to takefrom that is it was extremely
difficult after getting out ofthe prison to also stay alive,

(51:04):
because it's not like they allgrouped up together, they all
separated.
I guess, for the sake ofremaining undercover while the
Empire was looking for everybody, the strength in numbers would
only go so far there.
I don't know, I, I don't know,I, I don't know how, um, you
know, we're really supposed totake that like.
Would he have made it even ifhe did, joe?

Speaker 2 (51:26):
yeah, that, that's food for thought bland bland
food for slot I won't, I won't,I won't lie like I.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
I'm not sure if this is direct, but I get a little
bit of Luke, not complete Lukevibes right, but just like If R2
doesn't leave the Larshomestead, luke is dead right.
It's like these small momentsof happenstance that continually

(51:56):
happen to him and I wonder ifwe're learning that and or his I
don't know like does he havelike like like extra like?
It's almost like he's likedomino with like extra luck, you
know like what?
Did he have to be where he hadto be so that like this, would

(52:16):
you know, happen that way?

Speaker 1 (52:17):
I it's very interesting, uh, that you
mentioned that after this week'sepisodes, um, the, the episodes
that came out this week thatanthony has not watched yet.
Without spoiling anything, itdoes, like the episodes do touch
on the fact that Andor isalways where he needs to be and

(52:43):
we don't know why.
He, in a cosmic sense, isalways where he needs to be and
always relaying messages topeople who need to hear them.
But you know, in the case ofthis episode, you know, like, uh
, the, the case of them in inNarcino five's prison, we know
that he was a catalyst, he wasthe voice that needed to relay

(53:07):
the message, basically, not onlyto, um, you know, get Kino on
board, to, like, you know, bethe catalyst that gets the, that
gets the, the guy who speaksfor everybody, on board.
But after the fact, you know,like when, when they're back on
niamos in the next episode with,uh, you know, him and melchi.
Melchi says um, you need to tellpeople about this.

(53:30):
We need to tell people aboutthis.
You know like they're he's.
He's cassian's a messenger.
We don't really, um, and Iguess even throughout, like
rogue one, he is a messenger.
He needs to get the, themessage of the death star plans
to the rebel alliance.
You know, like that's somethingthat's in his future, um, so

(53:52):
it's interesting that they'rewriting him this way and it's an
interesting question, like,like, does he like?
Is there a greater purpose to?

Speaker 3 (53:58):
him, and I don't mean that I think he's, by any
stretch of the imagination, ajedi right.
No, yeah in a world where itdoes seem that the force has its
will, right, is he almost aninstrument of that will who's
not a user himself?

Speaker 1 (54:16):
you know well I'm gonna forego this question for
now, because I have strongthoughts on it and it's very
spoilery okay, so um yes, let'stalk about the.
It is a really good question.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Rich um I just because I almost think he's
almost like a han figure rightin that.
Like han was never forsensitive, right, he's not he.
He couldn't control the forcein any way, but it seemed like
the force had a plan for han andhe played pivotal roles in the
lives of people who were forceusers, almost maybe grounding

(54:57):
them, but also being in theright place at the right time.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Well, it is interesting that the show is
called Andor and so much of theshow is focused on other people
and other people's plights, andhe always just happens to be
there.
He always happens to be thereat the right time.
So I do think you're ontosomething with, uh, the force
fading him to be where he'sneeded yeah, definitely, yeah,

(55:25):
no, I agree.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
I also like it's showing how he's definitely like
a part of that spearhead forthe at least the initial rise of
the rebellion.
What I mean we also brieflyspoke about him showing up, but
I mean that in this second halfwe all we get, uh, saw guerrera

(55:48):
again and like it's cool that weget force whittaker reprising
that role also yeah, uh what afantastic actor.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
He with saw guerrera.
It's nothing like the characterfrom clone wars.
You know like we know that saw,guerrera is a clone wars
character.
So, uh, forrest whitaker, hejust made that character his own
and he, he did his own thingwith him and, um, I love every
second of him on screen becausehe's just nuts.
He's just absolutely insane.

(56:17):
Like what do you call it?
Nose.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Yeah, man, it's so cool because I liked him a lot
in Rogue One.
So the fact that like he's inthis show, it really is fitting,
because you know he had like aI mean, he wasn't in the
entirety of Rogue One, but hewas a really strong character in
that so like getting him inthis, in like his initial I

(56:42):
guess like rebellion sect daydays it's it's really cool and I
think, uh, if I remembercorrectly, forrest whitaker was
the first academy award-winningactor to ever be in star wars
like, specifically, academyaward-winning actor for best
actor, um to to ever be in starwars.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
And yeah, uh, the guy acts his heart out and you
could tell he's having fun, likeyou could tell like he loves
that character, he lovesreprising that role, and he just
eats the heck out of those,those like few scripts that he's
given yeah, no, he does, he'swhen.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
When he's shown on screen, it's like really strong
and yeah, that moment betweenhim and luthan is really cool
all right, let's jump over tothe second uh half of this
second half of andor season one.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
We have, uh, the death of marva marva, and sorry,
I, I love b2emo so much yes, metoo, he is he is like the most
uh dog-like droid in the entireuh star wars canon.
I think like I can't think ofanother droid that is more of a

(57:58):
dog, like, like a literal likepet dog, you know, like, but
everything that he does is sopet like and I love it.
I love it so much he's justlike an old dog.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Uh, it's such a great addition to the show and, and I
do like that there's such like,such care for him, like even
you know, like when Marva Marvapasses away, it's like the
people that that that caredabout Marva knew that like they
would want them, they knew thatthat she would want them to to

(58:32):
take care of of B and you know,and he's just like you could
tell he's so sad.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Also it's.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
It's so interesting and and you've said it before,
dakota that star Wars has a wayof giving something like a uh,
of something that's not likereal, like feelings.
You know, you, you get it witha c-3po.
You you even get it a littlebit with I mean, you get it with
r2d2 and you don't even knowwhat r2d2 is saying.

(59:04):
But like you know the, you knowthat he's given off some, like
you know, attitude and littlezest and and so, uh, b is you
know you could tell that b ismourning and it's really, it's
really really cool, like youknow, just that kind of like
last thing that he does forMarva.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
I like and yeah, I forgot that I had mentioned that
on the podcast at some pointbut that's something that I've
always like, really found quitewonderful about Star Wars is, in
any other science fictionproperty whether it be Star Trek
or Terminator, battlestarGalactica, any anything that has

(59:49):
robots or whatever, or androidsthere's a divide between
sentient life, which is humans,and the robots.
There's, there's a distinctlack of a soul given to them in
the writing and a lot of thetimes, you know a good portion

(01:00:13):
of their arc is finding, findingthat soul.
You know, like I think of startrek, the next generation data.
He's on a constant quest to bea real boy.
You know he's.
He's a pinocchio character.
He's constantly trying to, youknow, make himself feel real.
But in star wars you never havethat question.

(01:00:35):
These are sentient beings ofanother life form.
It's another form of life, justmechanical.
These are just as pertinentcharacters as the flesh and
blood ones.
They have their own emotions.
A lot of times they are treatedlesser.

(01:00:57):
We don't serve their kind here,but there is something to be
said about, like the emotionsthat the droids share, like you
can tell if R2-D2 is sad or ifhe's scared by the way that he
intonates, you know.
With B2-Emo.
By the way, way, I love thatname b, because he's he's always

(01:01:19):
being too emo, um, I I that hasto be intentional, but anyway,
uh, yeah, with with him.
They wrote him like a dog thatcan talk.
I almost think it sounds likedoug from up.
You know, like my, my name isDoug and I love you.
That's the vibe that I get fromB.

(01:01:43):
But, yeah, I've always wanted tomake a video or like an essay
of some kind about comparingdroids in Star Wars to androids
and robots in other franchises,because there's something to be
said about, like how we don'teven question that these are
characters with, like their owninitiative in Star Wars, but we

(01:02:08):
have to question it in otherfranchises.
You know, like, are theyprogrammed?
What are they?
Why?
You know, why is this androidand alien doing the bidding of
Weyland-Yutani, like what?
What is going on with thisandroid, an alien, doing the
bidding of Weyland-Yutani?
What is going on with thisandroid?
What is his programming tellinghim to do?
You don't really have thatquestion in Star Wars, because
it's just a different type ofbeing.

(01:02:29):
Anyway, I'm rambling like crazy,but yeah, so Marva died, not
very good, but she literallymade the most of her death, um,
and it was a wonderfully writtencry and plea to her people to
continue fighting against theempire and it's it totally

(01:02:49):
backfired on the empire forallowing that to have that
funeral so good yeah, seriously,uh, yeah, and it's so wild,
like, how much like, and it kindof harkens back to you talking
about the, the culture inpharynx, and it's very obvious

(01:03:09):
that a lot like most of thepeople carry, they cared about
marva and they cared about, youknow, cassian.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Even if cassian owed half of the money or something
like that, you know, I think itwas because of because of marva
and his, you know.
You know she, he was heradoptive son, so that care kind
of carried on over to that.
And you know, just, you couldtell that that cassian was just
breaking on the inside when hefound out that that she had

(01:03:40):
passed away.
And you know how everybody, youknow, was just like, you know,
man, I'm, I'm so sorry, and he,he even tried to be like you
know, I tried to take her withme, you know I.
You know the last thing we, thelast thing that happened when
we talked, was we were arguingand you know that and brasso is

(01:04:04):
like you know, don't do that toyourself.
And so you know this, this iskind of like where you're
talking about, like how youreally like brasso, like it
really shows why, even more so,why he's such a great character,
you know yeah, I, I love um howhe starts beating people with
the brick.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Of marva's remains like that's that's how marva
would want to go out, you knowjust like that was awesome the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
The funniest thing is is that like if she was there
to witness that she would belike yeah, like she, she would
be like yeah use me to to bashhim in and and when, and and
when that happens, like obvious.
When, when they were doing thatwhole like procession, I was
just like, yeah, like you know,I mean especially not that first

(01:04:50):
time that I had seen it um, youknow, like you just know,
something's happening.
There's just like this tensionthat's building up and it's not
just grief, there's some angerthat's happening there.
And, yeah, that call to fightfrom marva was just was really
just a straw that broke thecamel's back, something that was

(01:05:10):
already building up and and so,yeah, like, and then you saw,
like the, the Empire just likelighting them up.
You know they started shootingat them and and so it's like,
yeah, this is, you know,farrakh's, going to be one of
those, one of those things thatpeople talk about.
Like, you know, this is, thisis how the Empire is.

(01:05:31):
You know they were shootinginto a crowd of mourning people,
you know, even though, like Iknow that they like kind of
started to attack them.
But a lot of people are goingto be like, yeah, but they
started shooting at people whoweren't shooting at them.
They were unarmed, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Totally, and I love that this was all orchestrated
by the Empire as a trap forAndor and they never come close
to catching this guy, eventhough he just shows up.
He's, he's on the streets ofthis, this planet somehow, like
they.
They're not, like there's noperimeter around this, this site
, like I love.
I love the fact that, likeandor's coming increased

(01:06:10):
security everywhere and he'sjust walking the streets like
yeah, that's and, and I'm andlike the sewers or something you
know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Like they didn't even think that like he would, he
would be trying to go down inlike that area, like he had this
like whole little, like little,like hideout down there with
brasso and um, was it palenka?
I?

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
don't remember the guys, oh, I think it is palenka,
yeah, yeah, what are you saying?
Rich, rich, what are you?

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
saying yeah, yeah, I mean this, what you guys talking
about just kind of really justkeeps feeding into my idea that
just this guy's fated to bewhere he has to be, damned the
odds.
Because it's just a little, uh,you know, and look, the truth
is, in any type of any type ofstory, where the good guy is is

(01:06:58):
one, you know, that is vastlyoutnumbered, you know, unless
it's a a george rr martin uhstory, because then, uh, then
the guy will get his justdesserts for for trying to fight
for justice.
But, uh, in in these types ofstories that you know, there is
a little bit of a conceit, Ithink, uh, but I still, I still
feel like it leads a little bitto to this guy just, you know,

(01:07:22):
being a tool of the force yeah,it almost has that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Um, I am one with the force and the forces with me
yep, oh yeah, kind of energy butI see what you're saying.
Yeah, it is an interesting wayto look at it and I think going
back to this first season afterwatching the most recent
episodes is a really interestingthought process because it
changes the way that youperceive the character of Andor.

(01:07:48):
Again, anthony, you got tocatch up.
I'm excited to hear yourthoughts on the Gorman Massacre.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Excited to hear your thoughts on, yeah, the gorman
massacre.
Um, there there's, um there'salso like you guys are kind of
talking about, like you know how, how he's just like kind of
navigating stuff without gettingcaught.
You know he also like goes intothat hotel that they're holed
up in.
Oh yeah, to save bix, and heonly had like one guy that he

(01:08:17):
had to take down dude they're so.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
They're so stupid in in all of that big trap that
they set out for them, they wereso preoccupied with, like,
looking for this guy.
They they were not payingattention to what was actually
being done.
On you know like the outragethat was like building up in the
crowd until it was way too late.
You know like they, they letthat build to a boiling point

(01:08:42):
and then they tried to shut itdown way too late.
And that's obviously you knowlike when, when uh brasso
started bricking people dude, he, he was just like thrown down
on them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
I love love, I love that scream of triumph.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Like he, like raises his hands and like one of the
hands has a brick and he's justlike, ah, it's just the, the,
the war cry for the Ferrix.
People Love this, I love thatmoment, and also like Marva's.
Marva's speech, too, is another.
There's no shortage of goodspeeches in this show.
Like we, we in this show, likewe we haven't even touched upon.
Like luthan's speech to thatisb agent lani, um, where he

(01:09:19):
talks about like how he, howmuch he sacrificed.
Like you know how um, everywaking moment for the past 15
years, based on, like acalculation that he made, like
after the empire came intoeffect, um has like led him down
this path and there's no goingback.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
And dude stalin skarsgård, such a just, such a
phenomenal actor right, like healready was in his own right in
other things, but like he reallybrought that.
He brought that energy to thisshow.
And you know it's, it's crazybecause like, yeah, you know he

(01:09:54):
should, he shows up, we, we gethim a lot more than we get.
Say, like um saw guerrera, butlike, even then, like forrest
whitaker, an amazing actor inhis own right, bringing that
energy to this show, diego luna,um, really, you know, really
just like killing this character, like you, you can tell that,
like he enjoys like being thischaracter of casting and or

(01:10:18):
because I feel like he brings usall to it yeah rich.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
What did you think of marva's uh speech inciting uh
the people around her in herdeath?

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
I thought it was great.
I mean, I actually kind of likeluthens a little bit more, just
because, not that there's moretruth to his, but just it felt
more real, uh, and it felt Icould really feel like his
sacrifice where, uh, you know,marva's kind of like this is her

(01:10:49):
last fiery stand and this ishow she wanted to go out, so in
many ways it was like beautifuland, you know, inspiring and all
together, uh, where luthens isjust so, so dark, you know, and
it makes me think of when he,when he puts on the, uh, the,
the wig right and just kind oflike how that that, that creepy,

(01:11:13):
that fake the, the smile thatwe know to be hollow and fake,
just overtakes him, like he justbecomes that guy, you know, and
he it's like that speech kindof proves to us like who, that
he is nobody anymore.
Right, he there's.
There's no defining luthancharacteristic, because at every

(01:11:35):
turn he will do what isnecessary, and that takes him
further and further away fromthe person he once was.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
So, and I think, sorry, I think that is actually
like why he likes lani so muchyou know, like he's not willing
to get rid of that uh contactwithin the isp, because not only
has he been like grooming lanito like be the perfect uh plants
for the past six years, but Ithink he sees a lot of himself

(01:12:04):
in lani in the in the sense that, like this is another person
who is uh constantly acting,constantly putting on a front to
eventually bring down theempire.
You know, it's a really it's aa very nuanced show like in in
pretty much every instance it'sso nuanced um with with marva
one one thing that I liked thatshe said was she.

(01:12:26):
She had previously feltuplifted by uh the speeches made
from other dead people,basically.
So now it was her turn and shewas like so willing to um make
that a reality and it's it'sinteresting the part where she
says like she's looking at thecrowd and obviously to her she's

(01:12:49):
not actually looking at thecrowd, she's looking at the
droid that she's recording thison and she says it's funny, I
can see.
It's almost as if I can see youthere.
You know, like it's so real toher Like this is going to happen
.
This is what's going to incitethis.
You know like it's so real toher Like this is going to happen
, this is what's going to incitethis, you know, brief
insurrection against the Empire,you know.
And it's just so beautifullydone.

(01:13:10):
And so there's so much of thisshow that I find builds upon
itself in meaningful ways andalmost like once an episode, at
least once, once or twice everyarc, there's a crescendo moment
where something builds up to aboiling point and it just all

(01:13:31):
goes down and it's so.
It never disappoints, even likethe, the lesser, I would say
the lesser arcs within the thetwo seasons.
They're still written extremelystrongly.
You know like they're.
They're still strong episodesand you know powerful additions
to the star wars canon and um,while I don't personally think

(01:13:54):
this ferrix arc is the strongestof the show or the season in
general, that the moment wherethe marching band starts up and
b2emo is like leading the peopledown rick's road toward the
plaza and dude, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
It's just like you get chills that it's, it's just
so powerful, yeah right, yeah itlike it's a season finale that
ends at least strong enough, youknow 100, 100 yeah, what did
you think about luthan trying touh like for a good portion of
this season, the latter halfespecially?

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
he wants to kill andor and he's he's sent uh vel
to do so.
Vel and senta, what are yourthoughts on that?

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
rich.
I mean, I don't blame him, he'scovered, he's.
You know these are thedecisions he has to make.
You know, it's not I don't.
There's no part of me thatdisagrees with what he intended
to do.
You know it sucked, but heloses contact and there's a guy

(01:14:57):
who knows who he is and knowshis face and knows his
motivations in some way.
Right, I mean, I'm going to usea word that you know I'm not so
sure you're supposed to useanymore.
Um, he's, he seems like he'sgrooming and or for bigger
things, right in the non youcould say.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
You could say grooming when it's in all right,
when it's in some.
Well, I'm a t?

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
I can't say it at school anymore.
You know I'm saying like youcan't say it in that context,
right like it's, it's.
It's a little bit too taboo, uh.
But yeah, in the traditionalsense of a mentor, mentee type
relationship, it's almost likehe was tough, loving, kind of
and or and now he's almost alittle bit hurt and also needs
to protect himself.

(01:15:41):
So you know, had to kind of goat him but I almost felt like so
it wasn't half-hearted, I don'tknow.
It feels like everything elsehe does works.
So is it just?

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
so it's interesting his relationship to andor and
this harkens back to what we'vebeen saying, or like hinting at,
because we don't ultimately, wedon't know what what andor's
you know role.
I mean we know what andor'srole in the universe is
ultimately, but, um, we don'tknow what Andor's role.
I mean.
We know what Andor's role inthe universe is ultimately, but
we don't understand if there isany force involvement truly with
Andor.
But it's interesting that inthe beginning of this season,

(01:16:12):
luthen breaks his own protocolthat he has adopted for the past
15 years to take this one dude,put him on a job that he
wouldn't have, he would havenever thought to do.
And he does the, the job andlike, when he finally comes back
to coruscant, he's reprimandedby claya, his secretary, because

(01:16:33):
whoa, whoa, what are we doing?
How?
Why did you make this reallyrandom decision?
And he doesn't know, he doesn'thave an answer for that, like,
why did he do that?
And so, you know, later on he'sjust like, oh well, yeah, I
guess we'll, we'll have to killthis guy because he, he knows my
, my face, but in the momenthe's 100, you know, like pro and

(01:16:56):
or like this is the guy we needfor some reason he knows that
this is the guy we need.
And then later, like once andorshows up in his ship, um the
fondor, at the end of the season, he's almost given that same
opportunity of like, do I takethis guy in or do I kill him?
And he ends up, you know,choosing to to take him in and

(01:17:20):
it's it's almost against hisbetter judgment and he starts to
like smile and laugh a littlebit about it and it's just like
there's something about thisandor guy that is important and
it's it's almost like on acosmic level he has something
guiding him and protecting him,you know, and it's it's a really
interesting thought, dynamicand it's it's definitely worth
studying, almost like, becausethis show is is worth studying

(01:17:43):
like it's, it's a, it's a masterclass in not only star wars but
, you know, writing in generalno I agree, like they don't
really ever use the term forceuntil sorry, anthony, they they
only use the term the forceuntil, like the ninth episode of
season two, like that's thefirst time the force is ever
mentioned, I think, in this show.

(01:18:04):
So it is like interesting, likealmost how you can read between
the lines in this show andexperience it through the the
lens of there being some levelof spirituality guiding our
characters actions.
You know, like it's, it's areally interesting thought

(01:18:25):
process and I'm just, I'mrambling at this point because I
, I just I'm so enthralled bythe idea of like there being
something more to andor than weknow, um, or we will ever know,
really, because I, I almost likethe idea of it being a mystery,
you know, but, um, yeah, whatare your thoughts, guys, anthony
?
What, yeah, what are yourthoughts, guys, anthony?
What are your thoughts onLuthen going back and forth on

(01:18:48):
killing Andor?

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
You know, like you said, or like Rich kind of said,
I do understand why heinitially went for that idea.
I mean, andor at that point waskind of like a loose cannon and
it looked like he was swinginginto a direction that that could

(01:19:09):
have brought down a lot of whatluthan was building up, when in
reality andor didn't reallylike care to.
You know, just rat on anybody,he just wanted to get his money
and go.
But you know the fact that,like you know, andor is like you
know, I know I saw you and Iknow that you're here to kill me

(01:19:30):
.
Well, look, you know, here I am, here's an opportunity.
So so in a way it's, it's kindof shown him that, like you know
, look, I'm, I'm giving you this, this easy way to to take me
out, but it's also inviting him,like you know, I have more to
offer and so you know, obviouslythat's why you know we, we have

(01:19:54):
uh and or season two we haveand or season two.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
Um, all right guys, what is your, what are your last
thoughts on the, not only theseuh six episodes, but the the
first season of andor in general.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
Uh, rich I I like, like you touched on earlier,
like I kind of started the showwith I, I appreciated this so
much more after watching thesecond one.
And it's not.
This isn't a flashback kind ofscenario, this isn't a.
I remember I said that with therings of power where I thought

(01:20:27):
that the pacing was just, it'sjust, it was just such an
expansive story that you knowthey they didn't fit it into the
season the right way.
I don't have that criticism ofandor.
I don't believe that anythingfrom season two needed to be in
season one for me to enjoyseason one more.
I just think that season two isso good and makes you ask so

(01:20:48):
many questions that when you goback and watch season one, it
just makes it a much morefulfilling experience.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
It's well said.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
Yeah, that's well said.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
Anthony, go ahead well said.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
Yeah, no, it's well said, anthony, go ahead, dude.
This this is.
You know, I kind of said it inthe in the first part of the of
these two episodes.
But yeah, man, like, like Isaid, this show it's like it has
no right to be as good as it is, but you know it is, and just
hopping on and watching it is,it's always, it's such a treat.
It was a treat the first timeand it was a treat the second

(01:21:27):
time around.
And yeah, man, you know seasontwo has been shaping up to be
really good and you know thatone's about to.
You know that series finale isabout to drop soon.
So you know, let's enjoy it nowwhile we're in the moment I
couldn't agree more.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
Yeah, no, this first episode, or this first season of
andor.
I remember and I've said itmany times on the show like I
cannot believe that they made aprestige star wars show and it
actually works.
You know it's, it's as good asanything on hbo and anything on
Apple TV or Amazon Prime.
It's that level of television.

(01:22:05):
And rewatching season one whileseason two is airing has been a
really, I think, eye-openingexperience.
Like Rich said, it justcontextualizes everything that
happened in the past.
So much more.
Yeah, I, I'm really enjoying itand I really did enjoy

(01:22:28):
re-watching this first season ofandor.
Uh, but, guys, we're gonna bringthis podcast to a close and
ultimately there's only one wayout and the the only way out is
to click the stop button on ourrecord.
So we we're going to have towind this down.
I'm sorry to say we're going tohave to wind this down, but
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