Back to the Future Part II (1989)

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A bully becomes a king, a genius breaks his own rules, and a timeline slips on a banana peel. We dive headfirst into Back to the Future Part II with a debate that starts in neon-soaked 2015 and lands right back in the grease and gears of 1955. We trade laughs over hoverboards, self-lacing Nikes, and that unforgettable manure gag, then get serious about the film’s true engine: the sports almanac heist and the branching consequences that follow. Along the way, we question Doc Brown’s selective ethics, cheer Thomas F. Wilson’s shape-shifting turn as Biff and Griff, and talk through why Elizabeth Shue’s Jennifer recast feels big even as the script sidelines her.

Between the sponsor cold open and our Epic Universe field report, we explore how futurism in the film plays more like retro Tomorrowland than prophecy, yet still charms through texture and tone. The 1955 set-piece wins us over with razor-sharp timing and playful parallel editing that dovetails with Part I without collapsing it. We call out the cascade of Part III breadcrumbs—Mad Dog nods, Old West daydreams, the “chicken” trigger—while weighing whether it’s elegant foreshadowing or a flashing neon arrow. And yes, we spot baby Elijah Wood, laugh at inconspicuous outfits that aren’t, and rank the series’ best running jokes.

If you love movie craft that balances stakes with wit, performances that stretch across ages and realities, and franchise storytelling that dares to fold back on itself, this conversation’s for you. Hit play, then tell us: did Part II nail 2015, or does its heart belong to 1955? Subscribe, share with a fellow time traveler, and leave a five-star review so we can keep the timeline humming.

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SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another
episode of Project Ecology.
I'm one third of your host,Rich, joined as always by Dakota
and the illustrious Anthony.
Thank God we are joining youguys.
We're very thankful to be backafter Thanksgiving.
And this episode, we guys haveexciting news.

(00:23):
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We've been talking, we talkedabout Back to the Future, and
when people ask about myfavorite movies, I always go to

(01:10):
like my franchises, my Star Warsor my Lord of the Rings.
But man, it's like I feel likeI've disrespected this
franchise.
The second one might be betterthan the first guys.
I don't know.
What do you what do you say?

SPEAKER_03 (01:24):
I am actually really excited to discuss Back to the
Future 2 because there werethere were a lot of parts in
this where I was just like, haveI seen this movie?
Oh yeah, okay, okay, I have seenthis movie.
Alright, yeah.
So I think I've only ever seenthis one time, a very long time
ago.
Decades ago at this point.
Uh so I am coming at this veryfresh.

(01:44):
There were there was like a good30 minutes where I was just
like, man, I've never seen thismovie.
What the heck?
I I I have always thought I'veseen this movie.
And then I remembered like assoon as I got to the the Biff
Tannin's uh like casino andeverything, I was everything
started to click a little bit.
But um, yeah, there I thinkthere are some parts of this
film that are strangelyforgettable um or weaker, and

(02:07):
that probably took me out of thestory.
Oh, Rich is giving me the deathstare.
Let's let's send it over toAnthony.
Are we excited about today'sepisode?

SPEAKER_00 (02:15):
We are, you know, and illustrious sickly, Anthony.
You know, yes, but before we,you know, hop into like any
deeper discussion about you knowback to the future, you know, we
we we always do this, we alwayshave like the pre-discussion of
the discussion.
Um I want to uh send it over toRich to see what he has been up

(02:40):
to.
Besides Red Dead Redemption andwhat is it, what what was what
what remaster were you playing?

SPEAKER_02 (02:47):
Oblivion.

SPEAKER_00 (02:48):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (02:49):
So I uh I don't know what happened.
I actually was playing both ofthem and generally enjoying
them, you know.
But I don't know, sometimes I II I w I think I in Oblivion I
ended up going to theShiveringer Isles where I'm like
trapped with uh this like demonwho just messes with everyone's

(03:09):
minds and it's very annoying.
And I'm enjoying it, but I'mkind of like stuck in that area
right now and I just want tofinish it off.
So I start I'd been playing uhRed Dead, but I took a break
from that and I was doingFallout 4 and I don't know, my
ADHD is everywhere, so out ofnowhere I just decided I was in
a by Astrobot.
And uh it has been a delight.

(03:32):
Just delightful.
Like I love that the the there'sa part where you're like playing
as Kratos, uh which is just likesuper cool.
It's got so many references toold PlayStation games.
Oh, and uh like and I watched uhlast night Expendables 2, and uh
I had uh just a such a greatmoment.

(03:53):
Uh Chuck I don't know if youguys were into Chuck Norris
jokes back in the day.
Uh I was a big Chuck Norrisjoke.

SPEAKER_01 (03:58):
Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (03:59):
Right, and in the movie, they asked Chuck Norris,
like, How you been?
He's like, Well, you know, I gotbit by a snake.
Uh I don't know, touch a gothere for a while, five days of
pain and agony, but the snakefinally died.
And I was like, Oh my goodness,Chuck Norris did a Chuck Norris
joke! Like, like SylvesterStallone just needs to be like

(04:21):
praised forever because hebrought that to like the screen,
you know?
Okay.
Um, so I was uh I was veryenthused.
Uh but uh enough about me.
I'm gonna throw it over to uhDakota.
What have you been up to?

SPEAKER_03 (04:38):
Uh yeah, I know Anthony, you've been playing uh
Red Dead Redemption as well.
Um you you you texted us earlierthat you you were playing RDR,
and I thought that was uh RanceDance Revolution.

SPEAKER_00 (04:50):
Um hit face that that's my favorite uh sequel to
DDR, you know?

SPEAKER_03 (04:56):
Yeah, RDR.
Uh yeah, no, I I have not beenplaying uh Rance Dance
Revolution um or Red Dead, but Ihave been playing an open world
game um that I I was pretty intoa couple years ago, and then I
just kind of fell off.
Uh I think because HogwartsLegacy came out, and I just
totally forgot about this othergame.
But I have been replaying AvatarFrontiers of Pandora, or not

(05:18):
replaying, I just picked upwhere I left off, and I'm just
enjoying it.
It's such a massive world.
Like I'm consistently amazed athow like fresh they were able to
make Pandora feel for this game,and it's not even places that we
visit in the movies, it's likeuh another forest, it's another

(05:39):
biome where there's like planesand everything, and it's it's
just a gorgeous, gorgeous game.
Um, there's so many points whereI just like look at the
landscape and I cannot believelike someone, you know, some
group of people is Ubisoft, um,like put this together.
And I'm I'm so grateful becauseit is a it's a really fun game.
It is a little tedious, and Ithink that's why most places

(06:00):
gave it like a seven out of ten.
Uh, it's a typical Ubisoft gamewhere you know you get a handful
of basic quests that theypopulate the entire world with,
along with the main quests andeverything.
But I'm trying to accomplish allthe side quests and just
complete the map and everything.
Um, but it's it's massive.
And the what's cool about themap for Frontiers of Pandora is

(06:22):
the verticality to it.
So you it most of the game,you're I mean, not most of the
game, but like you could justfly forever on your Ekron, and
you you can fly up to the thefloating mountains, and um so
even though like the map is like250 something kilometers like

(06:43):
wide squared, there's also theverticality of like there's so
much happening above you andsometimes below you or inside
the mountains, and it's justthere's a lot to it.
I'm I'm really enjoying it.
And yeah, I feel like there wassomething.
Oh, I I started watching beforewe get into that.
I I'm just like really intoAvatar right now.

(07:05):
I'm getting I'm getting into thegroove, especially going into
Fire and Ash in I think twoweeks' time.
I already have my tickets foropening weekends, and I'm I'm
very excited.
Stoked even.
Uh like Fire and Ash.
Stoked.
Get it?
Um that was an unintentionalpun, actually.

(07:27):
I but you know what?
Here I am.
Uh yeah, so I just startedwatching season five of Stranger
Things right before we startedrecording.
Oh yeah.
Uh I have you watched uh fiveepisodes so far, or did you just
start it?

SPEAKER_02 (07:40):
Yeah, yeah, no.
I um I'm a degenerate and Ibinged it like I think in a in a
sitting in a sitting.
Like a way it came out at eighto'clock on Thanksgiving night.

SPEAKER_03 (07:48):
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I I finished it Friday morning.
Very good.
I did not do that.
I just started uh I think it'sDecember 4th at this point.
Uh yeah.
So I am not a degenerate, but Iam enjoying it.
And um I am actually, you know,I am a degenerate in some ways,

(08:09):
you know, like I will just sitand obsess over something for an
insane amount of time andsometimes, sometimes spit out
content for it.
Um but do you and I'm do you uhI'm debating it.
I'm debating it for StrangerThings, there's also debating it
for Avatar.

SPEAKER_02 (08:24):
I mean I want to ask Anthony this too.
Like my thing with like StrangerThings is like I really like the
series, right?
And my fear would like that oneof the reasons why like when it
comes out, like I kind of hatebinge watching because I feel
like I lose a lot and I like youknow, I you guys know I like to
rewatch like an episode before Iwatch the next one, and I don't
do that when I binge, but like Ifeel I feel like I have to rush

(08:46):
to do it because I'm scared thatI'm gonna go on like Twitter and
someone's gonna spoil it for me.

SPEAKER_03 (08:51):
For Stranger Things, honestly, I don't feel that way
at all, just because so longthere there's like so uh such
gaps between seasons.
I think the last season was likethree or two or three years ago,
or it was like in 2022 orsomething that I don't even
remember what happened.
I'm watching the recap and I'mlike, oh yeah, there was that

(09:12):
girl Max.
Oh yeah, okay, they're maybedating.
Uh so I don't I don't rememberanything, and then I just go in
fresh.
Anthony, what do you thought?
What are your thoughts?

SPEAKER_00 (09:22):
On Stranger Things?
I haven't started it yet.

SPEAKER_03 (09:25):
No, like if you uh Rich has a fear that with
certain things it's notnecessarily a fear of missing
out, it's a fear of miss ofbeing spoiled, so he has to
watch it immediately.
Do you ever get that withanything?

SPEAKER_00 (09:37):
No, because I I really don't care to get on
social media.
I really I literally mostly geton to social media to post these
episodes.
I don't I don't really care forsocial media.
It's an it's quite annoying tobe to be frank.
So I don't really get spoiledunless it's like s like an

(09:57):
article that was like posted,you know, like because I do get
like you know, I do read likearticles of stuff, so I mean
usually they warn of spoilers,but um That's wild that you have
a computer job and you're not onsocial media.

SPEAKER_03 (10:12):
I've you you might be one of the few.

SPEAKER_00 (10:14):
No, I mean I would say the only social media job
that really are or the the onlysocial media that really matters
in a tech job is LinkedIn.
That's it.
Oh you know what what what whatdo I need Twitter for?
What uh what do I need Facebookfor?
You know, job wise.

SPEAKER_03 (10:33):
So I mean no, not job wise, I'm saying like just
you're around tech, so right.

SPEAKER_00 (10:38):
Well, I mean the thing is is that like I love
tech, but that doesn't mean thatI need to love social media, you
know?
It's like something that'scompletely different, you know.
It's no that's a good attitudeto have.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I still have it, youknow, and from time to time I do
hop on, you know, and like I'llI'll message friends and stuff,
but I don't yeah, like I don'tget really spoiled like that

(11:01):
because I'm not on it all thetime like that.

SPEAKER_03 (11:04):
Nah man, I'm doom scrolling as we speak.

SPEAKER_00 (11:06):
I know, man.

SPEAKER_03 (11:10):
Um Anthony, I'm wait, before I give it up to
you, I don't think I haveanything else, but um I am
really excited to hear aboutlast week because you you did
something that uh neither Richnor I have done.
And uh yeah, please tell usabout your trip to Orlando.

SPEAKER_00 (11:29):
Oh yeah, man.
Um, you know, I just saw somefamily and yeah, that's it, man.

SPEAKER_03 (11:35):
Uh and by family you mean uh Frankenstein and uh
Dolores Umbridge.

SPEAKER_00 (11:44):
Man, I didn't see anybody, dude.
I did not Yeah, man.
I I went to uh Universal EpicUniverse.
And it was pretty cool, man.
I I enjoyed it.
I liked the way that they hadthe setup of each land.
They wanted you to feelimmersed, so they had each land
the way to get through it was bylike stepping through a a quote

(12:06):
unquote port portal, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (12:09):
Did it feel like a portal?
Like the the actual commercialsand everything, it's like it it
makes it seem as though like youare like going into another
world by entering those portals.

SPEAKER_00 (12:20):
The only one that really like knock that knocks it
out of park because you're likewalking through kind of like
like pretty much like a atunnel, right?

SPEAKER_03 (12:28):
It's a tube, yeah.
It's a yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (12:30):
And the one that like really like kills it with
that is the Mario one becauseyou're I mean Mario, you're you
go through tubes in the game,right?
Yeah.
So um, I mean it it was reallygood though.
Like I let I love the theimmersion, the the area with uh
the Harry Potter area was reallycool, you know.

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They had the Ministry of Magic,and then they had like the the
carnival that was in uhFantastic Beasts.
So they had like a lot of likeFantastic Beast stuff there,
which is really cool because Ienjoy at least the first movie,
I really enjoyed the first oneof those.

SPEAKER_03 (13:08):
Um do you think that uh obviously the Harry Potter
films are huge?
Fantastic Beasts uh maybe thefirst one performed well.
Do you think it was it's worthrecreating sets or ideas from
essentially a failed sideseries?

(13:28):
Because they're not doing itanymore.
It was supposed to be fivefilms, they're they stopped
after three in like a place likea universal.

SPEAKER_00 (13:35):
Well, I feel like if you're gonna do it, at least
grab stuff from the the one filmthat was good, you know?
Fair so so I mean I enjoyed it.
I mean, like I said, I I reallydid like that first movie a lot,
and so they did have elements.
I mean, that that carnival wasthat that was from the first
one, right?
With Nagini in it?

SPEAKER_03 (13:56):
I believe so, yes.
It was N was Nagini there.

SPEAKER_00 (13:59):
Um what happened?

SPEAKER_03 (14:00):
Is is Nagini in Universal?

SPEAKER_00 (14:02):
No, no, no.
No, Nagini is not in Universal.

SPEAKER_03 (14:05):
She broke free already?

SPEAKER_00 (14:06):
She broke yeah, man, she broke free.
Yeah, yeah.
This the that uh they had like ashow and it like takes place
after uh Newt's commander uhlike kind of breaks all the
animals out, so or all thecreatures, so but um the battle
for the ministry was pretty fun.
It was kind of like Did you goon the Hogwarts ride?

SPEAKER_03 (14:28):
Yeah, it's it's been a while.

SPEAKER_00 (14:30):
It's very similar to that, like you're sitting and
like you're kind of movingaround and stuff and into
different scenes.
Right, right, right, right.
Um you know, but it uh it wasstill like really fun.
So like I really enjoyed that.
The Dark Universe weapon?

SPEAKER_03 (14:43):
Oh, sorry.
Of the tell me about DarkUniverse, and then I'll I'll ask
my question.

SPEAKER_00 (14:48):
Dark the Dark Universe was really, really
cool.
Um I like how they went aboutit.
The one of the rides for thatwas very similar to to the
battle for the ministry, likeyou're sitting in something and
you're kind of moving around,but there's also like you know,
animatronic tronics andscreenshots.

SPEAKER_03 (15:06):
What is the dark universe?

SPEAKER_00 (15:08):
Uh that's the universal monsters.

SPEAKER_03 (15:10):
It's the universal monsters, Frankenstein werewolf.
Right, right.
Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_01 (15:13):
All right, awesome.

SPEAKER_00 (15:15):
And so that one was really cool because like they
they actually showed like a lotof like monsters in that one.
You know, it had likeFrankenstein, it had Dracula in
it, dude.
Like it also had like Wolfman,creature from the Black Lagoon.
Like, I really like feel likethey're they're trying to like
well, I mean, there is aFrankenstein movie that just
came out that's on Netflix, butI feel like it doesn't make

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sense.
That's not that's not connectedto anything Universal.
But like for me, it doesn't makesense for them to create a park
like this if they don't haveplans to bring them back, you
know, in a big way.

SPEAKER_03 (15:49):
Yeah, we should cover the uh Guillermo del Toro
Frankenstein movie.
I haven't seen it yet, but Iyeah, I heard it was pretty
good.

SPEAKER_00 (15:55):
I'd like I'd like to like I I want to watch it.
But yeah, I heard it was reallygood.
There was also like a rollercoaster.
Uh what happened?

SPEAKER_03 (16:03):
You want to do that for next week?

SPEAKER_00 (16:04):
Yeah, we could do that next week.

SPEAKER_03 (16:05):
Nice simple Guillermo del Toro movie.
Rich, what's up?
Clock it.
Clock it.
Episode 144 will be Frankensteinthemed.

SPEAKER_02 (16:15):
My students would be so proud of me.

SPEAKER_00 (16:18):
But yeah, they um, you know, they had like a
Wolfman ride.
That that was a roller coasterthat was uh pretty fun because
like a you would like kind oflike spin around in that one.

SPEAKER_03 (16:28):
I I hear that um while while the the Super Mario
Land and the Dark Universe landSuper Mario Land?
Oh yes.
Super Mario.

SPEAKER_02 (16:39):
Okay.
Super Mario.

SPEAKER_00 (16:40):
No, they there, but there were no horses there.

SPEAKER_02 (16:42):
No, you you just said it's super weird.
I just wanted to you werepronouncing it kind of weird, so
I just wanted to Wait, actually,how did I pronounce it?

SPEAKER_03 (16:48):
I don't actually know.
You said Super Mario?
I don't I don't know.
It was Super Mario.

SPEAKER_02 (16:52):
Oh super Mario uh Super Mario.
Oh wait, can I just can I justuh I just Anthony, I I gotta
tell the audience, all right?
So Anthony, when he went on hislast trip, he sent some
pictures, and I just keptfinding like I found a part in
Red Dead Redemption that Ithought like it looked like when
he when he was on vacation.

(17:12):
He sent us another picture oflike an archery range.
I found one in Oblivion that Isent him the picture, right?
So he goes on this trip, and I'mI I felt like he just gave me a
gift.
The first picture he sends us isof the Mario world, right?
So I'm obviously playingOdyssey, and I'm like, dude,
that's literally just Mario,like because it's just the

(17:32):
fountain, right?
Like I was like, this is tooeasy.
Uh so uh no, but uh all jokesaside, uh you're it looked like
you had a uh fantastic time forthe pictures, man.
It's it looks like so cool.

SPEAKER_00 (17:44):
Yeah, yeah, that that that was it was really fun.
Um, like honestly to tell youthe truth, like I was able to
pretty much hit like most of therides.
Like, surprisingly enough, thethe one ride that actually took
the longest, like we, you know,got to go on to the Mario Kart
ride, but believe it or not, thelongest ride that like took

(18:04):
forever to get onto was theDonkey Kong one.
And it was actually really fun.
Like the Donkey Kong ride waswas like cool because they had a
a Donkey Kong crunch countrylike area towards the back.

SPEAKER_03 (18:15):
Nice.
I I know that the Nintendo area,I'm gonna steer clear of the
M-word here.

SPEAKER_00 (18:22):
I mean that that it's actually called like Super
Nintendo Land or something likethat.
Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 (18:28):
So Super Nintendo Land, perfect.
I I I know that that and likeDark Universe are often uh, you
know, hailed for theirimmersion, but I I what I have
heard is that the how to trainyour dragon, the Isle of Burke,
is actually the best, it's likethe hidden gem of Epic Universe

(18:48):
in terms of immersion and likejust feeling like you're
actually there.
Do you agree with that or how doyou feel?

SPEAKER_00 (18:54):
I think that they they all have like their their
like pluses, but the Isle ofBurke was really cool.
I we got to go on we got to goon the roller coaster on that
one, and yeah, it was it wasreally fun.
I I really enjoyed it.
Like I said, man, each land waslike pretty cool, and you know,

(19:14):
obviously they're going toexpand, you know, they're they
they have to, and I think thatthat's why they've built it so
far away from from the otheruniversal, like it's not super
far, but it's far enough forthem to expand, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (19:28):
And oh, I think aren't they I I have a feeling
the next one is gonna be likewicked themed.

SPEAKER_00 (19:34):
Oh, maybe.
Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_03 (19:36):
I mean it's it's a huge film, so so um so we so we
were able to ride everythingthat you wanted to ride, yeah.
Yeah, did you have any fast passor anything?
No, no, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 (19:47):
Yeah, and and like it was cool because like there
were certain aspects of the parkthat was only open to yeah,
people that were staying at thehotel, but like while we were
waiting to get into Into likethe Nintendo land, uh, somebody
passed by, like, one of theworkers they were like, Hey, the
Harry Potter stuff's open, sowe're like, Yeah, like you know

(20:07):
what?
Let's just book it over there.
So we we hopped onto that and wewe were able to catch that.
And then after, like, believe itor not, like after catching like
a bunch of the rides, like weactually were able to catch some
of the shows.
Like, we caught the show at uhthe Isle of Burke.
They uh it was like the un uhUntrainable Dragon.
That was pretty cool.

(20:28):
We also the the one that was inum in Harry Potter that was like
in the circus tent, they had ashow for that.
That one was pretty cool.
So so yeah, man.
That's awesome, bro.
There there was, I don't know ifyou all read that there was
somebody who died on one of therides.
Yes.
Um, that like the star thestardust chaser.
I went on that ride.

(20:49):
Yeah, I can see why.
That like dude, like I wouldlike I was getting beaten up on
that ride.
It was so intense, like I waslifting out of my seat, dude.
It would it kind of freaked meout.
And then by the time that thatthat the ride was done, like I
was like super nauseous.
Like I had to like kind of likestop and like kind of breathe
because I was about to hurl,bro.

(21:10):
Like I was that ride was toointense.
I was like, never again, notthat one.
It was too much.
It was like way, way it was likewhen I say like you're going
fast, like like you're likethere's moments where like
you're going at like you know,just like a regular like speed,
and then it's like friggin' likehyper speed, like and and like I
felt like my neck was gonna likesnap off, dude.

(21:31):
I was like, whoa.
So yeah, like yeah, man, it wasthat one was rough.

SPEAKER_03 (21:36):
Well, there you have it, folks.
That seems like a really awesometime.
I I'm like I'm very excited togo.
I don't know when I will begoing, but probably soon.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (21:47):
That's just like a smuggle Rich and I in with you
when you go.

SPEAKER_03 (21:52):
Yeah, yeah, I definitely will.
We'll we'll do a podcast on uhStardust Racers.
And uh that would be insane.
We'll record our screams.

SPEAKER_00 (22:01):
Actually, believe it or not, actually, I'm gonna I'm
gonna leave it off on this.
And this is the first time outof all the rides that I've been
on in my life, I have never beenon a ride that they're like you
have to make sure thateverything is out of your
pockets.
They have like lockers there,and then when you go upstairs
from the lockers, you actuallyhave to walk through a metal

(22:22):
detector to make sure thatthere's like no like things that
are snap.
I've never been on a ride thatdid that.
That I was like, oh, and thenlike when when when when I when
I finished, I was like, okay,yeah, now I understand because
I'm pretty sure that my my phonewould be in Kissimmee right now
if I had it in my pocket.

SPEAKER_03 (22:42):
Wow.
Well, you know what also ispretty epic uh in its universe
is Biff Tannin's PleasureParadise.
And I think we should uh changeour discussion over to Back to
the Future 2, where we get toexperience a little bit of uh
Biff Tannin's um life and justenjoy uh the hero of this of

(23:05):
this story a little bit, youknow, and his pleasure palace.
I mean I love Biff.
I just I think after this movie,I'm I'm a diehard Biff fan.
Like, I am so pro-Biff.
He stopped school.
How many people do you know thatcan just stop school from
happening for everybody?

(23:26):
That's pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_00 (23:29):
I mean, he the the actor that plays Biff, like he
he just he nails it.
Like, I mean, he the performancethat that he that he did in in
the first movie, like it rollsright over into this one.

SPEAKER_03 (23:42):
Um you know which performance didn't roll over
into this one?
Jennifer?
Jennifer.
I looked at that face, I waslike, that's not Jennifer.

SPEAKER_02 (23:53):
Um this was um Elizabeth Shu.
Yeah, it was uh it's a big likeI don't know about you guys.
I I don't I'm not even sure ifat the time of the movie it
would have been a huge deal, butlike I love Elizabeth Shu,
Adventures of Babysitting, andstuff like that.
So I I've always thought she wasfantastic, and so I thought this

(24:13):
was a pretty big move.
Like, and I think she's a muchbetter actress than the first
Jennifer, to be fair.
But I think it's I had to do it.

SPEAKER_03 (24:19):
I don't remember her being a bad actress.

SPEAKER_02 (24:23):
I think also.
Why?
Uh I believe if you look thisup, this is uh I feel like that
actress was a little taller andthey wanted someone who's gonna
be shorter than Marty.
So they went with Elizabeth Shu.

SPEAKER_00 (24:41):
No, I think I think the reason why the other actress
didn't come back was becausethere was some family stuff
going on.
Like I think there was like afamily like health thing going
on.
I don't think yeah.
Uh I don't think it had anythingto do with height.

SPEAKER_03 (24:55):
Anthony looked this up.
Actually he did, yeah.
I I know, I can tell.

SPEAKER_02 (25:02):
Uh maybe I heard that in one of these weird uh
videos.
One of these weird podcasts thatuh probably heard it in some AI
slob video.

SPEAKER_01 (25:11):
Oh god.

SPEAKER_02 (25:11):
Curses, he is uh Anthony, you're correct.
I stand corrected.
I uh I imagine I must have madethis short man's uh nightmare uh
bring into the forefront, but uhit's not that that's what that's
not what it was at all.

SPEAKER_03 (25:25):
You you dreamt of this.
You dreamt of this, Rich.
It was very it was it's a it's afrightening.

SPEAKER_02 (25:30):
It's a Mandela effect, I think.
This is a Mandela effect.
I think like in my world ithappened.

SPEAKER_03 (25:34):
Oh my goodness.
Anyway, we got a new Jennifer,they fridge her immediately.
That's crazy.
They they get into the future.
Why did they even bring her?
Oh there was some weird planningin this in this movie because
like they uh it's somethingabout your children, uh Marty,
and then they fly off, and it'snot it's kinda about the

(25:59):
children.
It's such a strange setup.
And I feel like they didn'tactually want to tell that story
when they decided to or likewhen they got into this next
movie, basically.
It's like they they wanted tojust get rid of that plot line
within the first 15-20 minutesso that they can actually tell
the story that they wanted totell when they actually wrote

(26:21):
the script.
Am I am I wrong in that?
It kind of just feels like theybrushed that storyline.

SPEAKER_00 (26:26):
Well, I think that they needed a reason for them to
be in the future for old Biff tolike steal the to steal the the
DeLorean to go back in the past,you know.
So like, yeah, like that thatbeing the real story that, you
know, uh Biff making himselfrich, and then Marty and Doc

(26:47):
having to fix that timeline.
So I think they needed some sortof storyline that brought them
to the future.
Which that future was 10 yearsago in October.

SPEAKER_02 (26:58):
Well touched on that.

SPEAKER_00 (26:59):
We're still not flying, bro.
We are not flying, and we don'twear clothes like that.

SPEAKER_02 (27:04):
He's rage baiting me, he's rage baiting me because
before the show started.

SPEAKER_00 (27:09):
All right, listen to me.
Rich wanted to wear thoseclothes, like he wanted those
Nikes that tied themselves.
Do we have to do that?
He wanted them self-adjustingjackets, he wanted a hoverboard.

SPEAKER_02 (27:24):
Everything, the diner, that's so cool.
Like everything about it is socool.
And like the the shark jumpingout of the movie theater thing,
like everything.
And I'm just this is gonna soundjust so whiny, but like I'm just
so angry.
Like, I watched that movie, andlike every year it got closer,
and it was so weird.

(27:45):
It was so weird for like 2015 topass, like when it when it
happened, you know, and you gotone step closer to the the Miami
uh versus the Cubs World Seriesbecause the Marl the Florida
Marlins have changed their nameto the Miami Marlins, they're
both currently in the NationalLeague, but they so they can't
technically be in the WorldSeries yet.

(28:06):
But Major League Baseball isplanning uh some sort of a uh
realignment.
So it would be interesting tofind out that somehow maybe uh
this too late, Rich.

SPEAKER_00 (28:19):
It had to be in 2015.

SPEAKER_02 (28:21):
Exactly.
I mean and the Cubs will have arealigning in our calendar
system like our dating system.
I think the Cubs won it in 2000.
I think the Cubs like it or theCubs were in like the playoffs
and almost made it to the WorldSeries that year.
Like people were like, oh mygoodness, like Yeah, there was a
bunch of stuff like that.
Yeah, like that was you knowthat that was pretty cool.

(28:43):
I mean it's yeah, but that youjust got me you got me really
angry there.
But I I um what what did you Thekid what about the future?

SPEAKER_03 (28:54):
It was the kid's what about the future did you
want most?

SPEAKER_02 (28:56):
Wait, hold on.
It was the kids thing, or Iwanted to address the like
because so at the end of thefirst movie, and they do this in
every movie.
Um, I don't know if you guysknow this, but two and three
were almost shot concurrently,basically.

SPEAKER_03 (29:09):
So Yeah, they have to have because they they have
that trailer at the end of themovie, yeah uh prior to the
credits, which means that it waspart of the original.

SPEAKER_02 (29:17):
At the end of the first one, that's when he says,
We gotta go help your kids,right?
So I think that one, he doesthat, but also I think it's Doc
Brown's like morality about timetravel, right?
He generally so like in that onehe he bring brings Marty because
he wants to make sure thatMarty's son doesn't go to
prison, right?

(29:38):
Uh although Marty is in badshape himself, like he's not
doing good, he's making dealswith needles and getting himself
in trouble.
So he's he, you know, andobviously we you know we see
what happens to the mom andeverything, but it it's like he
wasn't doing it for them, he washe he was doing it for the kids.
Like he felt like, okay, eventhough I don't like doing this,

(29:59):
like I can't let Marty's kid golike Marty made bad decisions,
but I can't let Marty's kid goto jail, you know.
Um right, because that's that'syeah, before the branch
timeline, like that's what'sgoing on there, right?

SPEAKER_03 (30:12):
Correct.
But I don't think that thatwould be was there any reason to
believe that that was the doc'sfault?

SPEAKER_02 (30:21):
No, no, not that it was Doc's fault, but that Doc
like Doc would like oh I'm I'm Idon't think that Doc would
judging by like the way he kindof speaks about time travel and
he doesn't like any interaction,like he literally just wanted to
help Marty's kid not go to jail.
Right?
Okay, but like he didn't stopMarty from making all those bad

(30:45):
decisions, right?
Like he hurt that hurt his handor that that he couldn't play
music anymore, and then hestarted making bad decisions.
Like he doesn't tell Marty andJennifer, like you need to come
back with me because like weneed to stop you from making bad
decisions.
He like his morality is like no,uh okay, fine, but it's Marty's
kid, you know, like it'ssomething about it being the

(31:07):
kid.

SPEAKER_03 (31:08):
Um okay, I see where you're coming from.
I don't think it really holds upunder scrutiny, um, but in the
movie, okay, you just kind ofroll with it.
Yeah, I and I think that's whatwe just kind of have to do as a
podcast here.
Okay.
Um but I could do this forhours, guys.

(31:31):
I'm not trying to like stop theconversation there.
I just like I I think we cantalk in circles about this
because it is a very cyclicalconcept of like you change one
thing, why not change anotherthing?
Why change this, but notsomething else, you know?

SPEAKER_00 (31:44):
All I can think about is like the older Biff
like with his cane.
Hello, hello.

SPEAKER_03 (31:50):
That was really funny.
Okay, actually, I'm reallyimpressed in both of these
movies, both uh one and two,that a primarily young cast
outside of Emmett Brown iscapable of playing many, like
many different age ranges, youknow?

(32:11):
Um, and and parallel universeversions and uh some gender-bent
roles.

SPEAKER_00 (32:17):
Yes, Marty has his own daughter, dude.
That was ridiculous.
I forgot about that.
And like when she comes likewhen she comes downstairs, like
the way it's like, Mom, is thatyou?
And like you see that it's him.
I like that.
Oh my gosh, dude.
That I will say that even thoughthis movie does have like have
its flaws, like it's still hardto not have fun with it.

(32:40):
Like, and it's exactly what it'ssupposed to be, a fun movie,
right?

SPEAKER_03 (32:43):
I like how whenever we say anything slightly edging
towards negative, Rich gets thislook on his face, like, what did
you say?
What did you say about myfavorite movie?

SPEAKER_02 (32:53):
Like, I'll tell you this, like so Lauren uh you
know, Lauren knows we're covercovering the movies, and she's
like, wait a minute, you guysare gonna do that that that
terrible third one, are you?
And I was like, What are youtalking about?
That one might be the best one.
She's like, you can't think thisis a western I I just it's like

(33:15):
the pirate for me, I don't know.
It's the only other series thatI'm like this about is Pirates
of the Caribbean.
It's like it can do no wrong.
Like I just love the notion, theidea of it.
I don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_03 (33:30):
I just absolutely Oh, you're not just talking
about the third pirates, you'retalking about pirates in
general.
Like the whole pirates, the ideaof the world is so enthralling
of that the best yeah, you knowwe gotta cover some pirates
movies one of these days.

SPEAKER_02 (33:44):
So I this this one just continues for me.
Uh and I like you said I lovethe range that all these actors
show.
And you know, uh I I I would saythat Biff is almost if you kind
of do a line through the series,like Marty essentially plays
very similar versions of e evenif when he's a sister, like but

(34:08):
he's only brief, but like heplays kind of very similar
versions of himself, you know,like his his son version, his
dad version, or uh his olderversion are very similar.
But Biff has the best range, Ithink, of any actor in the
series because you know hereally I mean, he's got this
biff, and then and then he'sgonna do another biff that's
like you know, this westernbiff.

(34:29):
Like it's he's just a great, andthen if you listen to the guy
talk, he's like the sweetestman.
Like he right, he's like thenicest guy.
Uh he's a sweet, like a gentlesoul, but Biff is the hero.

SPEAKER_03 (34:41):
Biff is the hero, guys.

SPEAKER_02 (34:43):
I mean, he does get the girl.
I mean the doc is the villain.

SPEAKER_00 (34:47):
He's the I feel like we've heard this argument before
with with uh someone fromSmallville.

SPEAKER_02 (34:54):
Well, you know, do you guys know uh DVDA?
Uh it's the band of Matt Parkerand Trey Stone, the creators of
South Park.

SPEAKER_03 (35:03):
Um I feel like I have heard of it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (35:06):
So like they uh they they wrote the music for like
Orgasmo and they performed it,and then they kind of perform a
lot of music.
So there's this one song, like,and it the lyric is uh what
makes a man is it um is it hisquest for glory, or is it um the
size of his what woman's chest,and they go, It's probably the

(35:28):
uh the the chest, and then theyjust kind of like refer to that.
And when you said that Biftan isthe the hero here, according to
the movie Orgasmo in that song,and what uh they did to Marty's
mom, which was I mean, MartyMcFly's face, and like I it's so
perfect, right?
Like, I don't know what wouldyou do if suddenly you saw your

(35:50):
mom in like a like lounge dresswith like implants out of
nowhere, you know?
It was this horrifying.

SPEAKER_03 (36:00):
It would be it would be uh an eye-opening experience.

SPEAKER_00 (36:04):
It's so fun.
It's so funny because it's likethis is like the second time
that he's been like mortified byhis mother.

SPEAKER_03 (36:13):
Yes.
Uh it's it's every movie withthis guy.
Um, yeah, I I love the theshock.
I love that he just can't wraphis mind around it, and he keeps
like trying to draw attention toit, but like she just brushes it
off.
Yeah.
Biff was a hero for that, youknow?
I guess.
Oh, I hate that I'm about tomake this pun.

(36:34):
He liked his woman a littlejuicier.
And uh something on this podcasthas nothing to do with uh woman
and woman's anatomy.
We we love juicy reviews.
This is so such a terrible man.
I hope this isn't your firstepisode listening to us.
Uh please don't go.
No, uh guys, lock in.

(36:56):
I need you to sit down, write alittle five-star review for us.
A juicy, juicy five-star review.
Something Biff Tannen would uhnot turn away from.
Something he would bet on.
Yeah.
Uh and and just whatever podcastapplication you're listening to,
we we need that five-star juicyreview, guys.
Please, please, and thank you.

SPEAKER_02 (37:16):
Oh, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_00 (37:17):
If you don't, are you chicken?

SPEAKER_02 (37:19):
Or just this man walked in and gave me a letter.
I don't know how he knew I wouldbe here, but it says the Back to
the Future 2 episode wasabsolutely fantastic.
Keep up the good work.
Five stars juicy as F.
That's that must have been somesort of message that was left

(37:41):
for us somehow.
It's like somebody knew we weregonna be here.
Thank you guys for that greatreview.
Uh let's get back to theepisode.

SPEAKER_03 (37:49):
Thank you guys.
That's wow.
That's that's crazy.
Um I'm that must be wait, juicyas F is in like Fox, like or
fruit like berry.
Michael J, Michael J Fox.
Sorry, I I've been past like 30seconds, I've been like, who in

(38:10):
this movie starts with an F whoin this movie?
Um anyway, let's uh let's let'sjump back into it.
Um apparently Marty's mom didnot care for the upgrades.
Um that was pushed on uh her byBiff, who in this instance I
will admit does not seem verygood, even though I still think

(38:32):
overall he did uh he lowered theprices of that town quite a bit.
And uh housing was affordable.
And you know, like there thereare things you can say about
Biff, and there are things thatI can imply, but uh I don't
think we're gonna be in themiddle here.

SPEAKER_02 (38:48):
Um so uh could you uh then explain to me uh lion
estates uh when the poor uhformer principal or the dean of
the high school He was playingRed Dead Redemption 2 who's
who's wearing he's gonna wearlike like a bulletproof vest in

(39:11):
front of his house because thesch the former school kids
because there's it was justbetter to understand there's no
school, but somehow this guy islike still so hated, like years
after school's been disbanded,that these random group of thugs
just run by to sh to shootshotguns at his front door.

SPEAKER_03 (39:31):
Better not catch this guy slacking, because he
will call you out on it.

SPEAKER_00 (39:36):
I do I do like how he's decked out like Rambo, like
he's just and then like he justchases them down the street with
a shotgun.

SPEAKER_02 (39:43):
Like, okay, Anthony.
If if if there was one phrasethat that you would use across
universes, what would it be?
This guy is a slacker.
What do you what do you thinkyour your your word or phrase
would be?

SPEAKER_00 (39:56):
I don't I don't have phrases.

SPEAKER_02 (39:59):
I'm gonna go with Let's go Mets.

SPEAKER_03 (40:00):
Let's go Mets.

SPEAKER_02 (40:01):
I think any universe I'm a Mets fan.

SPEAKER_03 (40:04):
Uh the first thing that comes to my mind is what I
have ended my videos with forthe past year or so is long live
the timeline, which kind ofworks in pretty much every
universe, so long as there is atimeline in that universe.
So I think it's prettyproportional.

(40:24):
I I would say for Anthony it'slike stay juicy, my friends.

SPEAKER_00 (40:31):
That or crunchy.

SPEAKER_03 (40:33):
Yeah, he loves the crunch.
Um yeah, no, I so I to behonest, I wasn't very uh
invested in the future plot.
When they got to the future, Iwasn't sold on anything um that
was supposed to be future tech.
Like I go into Blade Runner andI'm like, this is 2019 or 2017.

(40:55):
Yeah, this is 2017.
Like this is LA in the early21st century.
I get it.
This is this totally makes senseto me.
I go into Brack to the Futuretoo.
It feels like Tomorrowland inlike Disney World.
Like it just doesn't it feelssuper mid-20th century ideas of

(41:20):
futurism.
Uh and I I guess I that likethrows me off a little bit, but
also I I don't think um the realplot that they wanted to tell in
this movie was the future.
I think the plot that theywanted to tell was back in the
50s.
So or back in the 80s, 50s and80s.
You know where I felt the moviewas actually strongest was him

(41:43):
going back to the fif uh 1955and having that you know chase
with uh Biff trying to get thethe the sports on that was such
a good sequence because itmatched up, I think, really well
with the first film's uh levelof events, you know, like the

(42:06):
the order of events that need totake place.
Um it felt like it it all linedup perfectly.
Um I could totally see you knowthis other Marty and this other
Doc in this universe playing outthose scenes in the background
of the first movie now, eventhough this would be I don't
know, Willy Wobbly, timey timewhile me.
Um but dude, I was on the edgeof my seat.

(42:28):
Like a lot of a lot because Idon't remember watching this
movie, so like I had no idea howhe was gonna uh handle that.
Um and it it turned out to bemanure again.

SPEAKER_00 (42:41):
I like um I like how the doc is prepared money-wise,
like when he goes to likedifferent places, so he had like
1950s money, and then he's likeand then and then he's like buy
something inconspicuous, like uhcloth clothing-wise, and like
the next scene is just him likerolling up with such a like

(43:06):
conspicuous outfit, yeah.
Right, right, right.
And I love his line, it's likeDoc, come in, Doc.

SPEAKER_03 (43:12):
I I was he was in the backseat of that car.
I'm like, he's Biff's gonna hearyou, bro.
Shut up.

SPEAKER_00 (43:19):
Dude, I know I'm like, bro, how's Biff playing?

SPEAKER_02 (43:22):
By the way, I love the manure gag.
I I just love the the thecrashing into gross, like the
what happens to Biff.

SPEAKER_03 (43:33):
Uh I I can only imagine that it happens once
again in the third movie,because uh one thing we we don't
really get one one thing wedon't really lose going back 70
years before 1955 is uh horses,you know, like they exist, um,
and they they they poop a lot.

(43:54):
So I'm I'm gonna have to guessthat Biff and his cronies, or
like the um the Biff analog orthe Biff distant relative will
indeed, this is my this is mytheory.
I haven't watched three yet,will crash into a cart of
manure.

SPEAKER_02 (44:10):
Can I just uh I'm not gonna confirm uh or deny
that, right?
Thank you.
But I will say that this movieif you if you if you watch a
third one, this movie does somuch direct leading in, it's
crazy.

SPEAKER_03 (44:29):
Like it's absolutely insane.
Yeah, like I I was watching itwith uh Jen, my wife, and she
every like couple scenes, she'sjust like, wow, they're really I
never realized how much theyleaned into the third movie in
this, you know, like a lot ofold West stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (44:44):
Yeah, even the uh you know, Biff's watching the
Old West on the TV, uh Doc saysthat I want to go back to the
Old West one day, and then healso mentions at one point that
like the last thing he kind ofwants to do in his life is find
love, and like that's gonna itit it's kind of and even the uh
because I don't think thishappened in the first one and

(45:05):
unless I'm wrong, but thechicken thing didn't happen
until this movie.

SPEAKER_03 (45:10):
Chicken thing where he gets Oh yeah, they don't talk
about uh who you call inchicken.

SPEAKER_02 (45:16):
Yeah, and it like flips him, like it flips them
off, like he just sets them itsets them off, and then like
you're gonna find out in threethat it's like a family trait.
Like it literally like beingcalled chicken is like
ridiculous.
I believe that so I I don't knowif I I don't know if I
appreciate it or if I justthought it was like super
freaking heavy-handed.

(45:37):
Like, man, like wow, that's alot of foreshadowing, you know.
Like I a lot of chickens, but II I I assume that also that you
wouldn't know this, right?
Like when you're watching two,there's no way until you watch
three that you're like, oh mygoodness.
So And they came out six monthsapart in theaters.

SPEAKER_03 (45:55):
I I knew obviously that the third one is an old
west movie.
That's I I know that I've neverseen it, but I know that.
Um so going into this, wheneverthey would talk touch on the old
west, they even like I when theyget to Biff Tannin's place,
there's a little slideshow oflike Biff Tannin's life, and it
goes as far back as you know hisdistant relative or great great

(46:18):
grandfather in the old west, youknow, was this guy mad dog.
Yes.
So I I knew then that uh youknow at least at least Biff
returns in some form in the nextfilm.
Yeah.
Um what did you think, Anthony,of the foreshadowing of the old
west?

SPEAKER_00 (46:39):
I think it's something that we'll have to
wait until we discuss the thirdfilm.

SPEAKER_03 (46:44):
I I love Anthony's like slow build-up when he like
right before he answers aquestion, like a direct
question, he has to like sit upand like get really close to his
mic, and then he goes, I guesswe'll find out.

SPEAKER_00 (46:57):
And next time on Dragon Ball Z.
No, yeah, man, they they I Ireally do think that they do a
good job in trying to setthemselves up, you know?
And I really do like how thismovie, like, you know, and
obviously, like you know, whenwhen we go to watch the next

(47:18):
movie, you'll see how this movieleads right into the next one.
I mean, it we literally endedthis movie, literally ends the
same way that the third moviestarts, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (47:29):
So it's like is there any movie out there that
immediately shows you thesequel's trailer before the
credits even roll?
Like this one does.
I was thinking about that.
I'm trying to think of anything.

SPEAKER_00 (47:43):
Like uh it's crazy.
It's like literally I think theonly thing I I've I've ever seen
do that is like TV shows.

SPEAKER_02 (47:51):
But Stranger Things takes 97 years for us to watch.
Like, I just don't understand.
And but this guy can uh take Imean two uh you know, just
all-time, I mean, probablycinema cinematic masterpieces uh
in Back to the Future 2 and 3,and he gets them done, you know,
six months apart, like uh putout there six months apart.

(48:11):
That's amazing.

SPEAKER_03 (48:12):
That is pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 (48:13):
That is why why didn't they do this with
Stranger Things so we don't haveto have 37-year-olds uh playing
uh you know 13-year-olds?

SPEAKER_03 (48:21):
I feel yeah, I know.
They I think with StrangerThings, they have really
pigeonholed themselves intomaking every uh episode feel
cinematic and like a movieinstead of making it feel like a
TV show, and that's part ofNetflix's model, right?
So it's gonna take longernaturally than um because you

(48:43):
know, if you got a 10-episodeseason and the average episode
is like an hour and ten minutes,that's yeah, what 12 hours that
you gotta film for?

SPEAKER_02 (48:55):
It's like give us our entertainment, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (48:57):
Stranger Things isn't even like their biggest
issue.
They're their biggest is thefact that they're trying to do
like a a live action one piece,and at some point they're gonna
have to stop because at somepoint it's just not gonna make
sense.

SPEAKER_03 (49:10):
In terms of like who's uh the characters aging
and stuff, right?

SPEAKER_00 (49:15):
The characters aging, and it it's just so much,
dude.
Like by the time they catch up,it'll be like so many years down
the line.
Like when when when was seasonone 2023?

SPEAKER_03 (49:28):
24.
No, it was I think it was earlylast year, and then the next one
is early next year.
So it's it's uh two two-yearbasis, basically.

SPEAKER_00 (49:36):
So like so so think like they're barely touching an
arc every two years, and likethere's a bunch of arcs, don't
you know?
Don't have to so that that'swhat I'm saying, but you know,
but you know who wouldn't havethat issue?
No, doc brown.

SPEAKER_03 (49:54):
No, doc brown is the reason all the bad things
happen, you know.
Marty, Marty's parents just hadthey they didn't have a bad
life, it was just kind ofsubpar.
So they were a little alcoholic,so they were kind of losers,
blah blah blah.
That doesn't make what you doright, Mr.
Doc Brown.
I think the fact that BiffTannen got a hold of your time

(50:17):
machine, your DeLorean.
Uh, I believe that is uh justicefor the wrongs that you've
inadvertently you know you'vecreated and destroyed universes,
sir.
Billions died uh due to yourmeddling.
And I I just I can't I can'ttake that.
I I think that this guy'sactually truly evil and he

(50:40):
deserved to be in jail.

SPEAKER_00 (50:42):
What do you think about the upgrades to the
DeLorean?
You know, like this time it canfly.
He also doesn't need theplutonium, he can just like
create fusion with garbage.

SPEAKER_03 (50:54):
I I kind of forgive Doc uh for everything just
because that is actually a veryum useful uh upgrade to the
DeLorean.
Not he can just power it withany energy, basically.
And I I think that that is uhfar more cost effective and
economical.
Well, that's it, which is thesame thing.
It's uh I I said the same thingtwice.

SPEAKER_00 (51:14):
And no no uh Libyans required.

SPEAKER_02 (51:16):
Yeah, yeah.
I I do I I wonder from the firstone I would like that they
didn't do it the second one, andI feel like they're so good
about everything, but uh there'slike no mention of the fact that
a car drove into the movietheater, right?
Like that there's like nobecause you know how they do the

(51:37):
repairing of the clock tower andeverything, but like at one
point the doesn't the doesn'tthe DeLorean go into the the the
front of the movie theater?
Am I making this up?

SPEAKER_03 (51:47):
I don't remember.
Um what in the second movie orthe first movie?

SPEAKER_00 (51:52):
It's it's a it's at the end of the the first where
he's like driving and um when hewhen he hits like the the the
wire with the bolts of lightningdriving towards a movie theater,
but he he disappears.

SPEAKER_02 (52:09):
Okay, sorry.
I when he gets back to 1985?

SPEAKER_03 (52:12):
No, he's in a parking lot.
Okay, is he?
Wait, no, wait.

SPEAKER_00 (52:18):
Yeah, like he goes back to Lone Pine Mall to like I
think he he wants to try to savethe dock.

SPEAKER_03 (52:25):
Oh no, no, he does end up on the same street.
Oh he does.
Yeah, when he goes right to theroom, when he Yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_02 (52:31):
And then he and then he has to.

SPEAKER_03 (52:32):
When he goes back, when he goes back to the future,
he like yeah, when he enters theother side, he he jams it into
Yeah, you're right.
He does do that, and then hebacks up and then he goes to the
monster.

SPEAKER_02 (52:42):
I know it's like the smallest thing, but I I really
wish it would have been like,ah, you know, the reconstruct
the grand opening of the youknow like the movie theater,
because that's uh kind of like Idon't know.
I think they're so good aboutlittle things that that's just
one extra thing that I wouldlove to have.
But I I I can wax poetic aboutthis movie for hours, gentlemen.
I I I s I can acknowledge theflaws that you guys point out,

(53:07):
but I can see past all of themto just embrace this movie and
the whole franchise as somethingI just absolutely love.
Whenever it's on TV withcommercials, I I will watch it.
I cannot change the channel.
I have to watch these movies.
I love the interaction with DocBrown and and and and Marty.

(53:30):
I I I love all of it.
I really do appreciate so muchof it.
It's good, clean fun.
You can watch it as an adult,you can watch it as a kid.
Uh I I just it think it's thebee's knees.

SPEAKER_00 (53:42):
That's that's well, what else would you say about
it, Rich?
Like, there's there's somethingthat, you know, like how good of
a time it is, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (53:52):
I feel like I'm being set up to slam dunk here,
and I think I'm missing the ballon it.

SPEAKER_00 (53:58):
Some something that you always say when you have a
good time with a movie or ashow.

SPEAKER_03 (54:03):
The Wolverine.
Is it the Wolverine?
I actually have no idea whatyou're saying.

SPEAKER_00 (54:09):
No, it you know, would you say that it is a rip
good times?

SPEAKER_03 (54:13):
Yeah, you do say rip around your time quite a bit of
a lot of people.
Yeah, you know what?
That actually might be your newcatchphrase.

SPEAKER_02 (54:18):
That might be my catchphrase.
You know what?
It is I challenge, I don't evenunderstand people who could sit
here and not watch this movieand walk out and with a smile on
your face.
You know, and I think that'swhat movies are supposed to do
for me.
I I I I really like it when themovie is just uh and you know,

(54:39):
this goes with the uh what wasit?
Uh the Dungeons and Dragonsmovie um that we watched.
Honor Among Thieves.
Honor Among Thieves, the thePirates of the Caribbean.
There's something about likethese movies that lack true
darkness.
Like as as evil as Biff is,right?
Like it's almost like he's socomically evil that you know

(55:00):
he's not gonna succeed in theend, right?
Like you know that good is gonnawin in triumph.
And I don't know, there'ssomething comforting about
watching the movies that I Ireally enjoy.
Uh there's nothing, there's nomorally really disturbing thing
that you have to deal with.
It's just it's just a fun movie.

SPEAKER_03 (55:19):
That's that's all I gotta say.
I have to morally live with thefact that um I'm supposed to
pretend Doc Brown is a hero uhwhen he's a destroyer of
timelines and universe getsback.

SPEAKER_00 (55:40):
You hear this, right?
You hear this, right?

SPEAKER_02 (55:42):
The accusation of Evan Brown, and it just lines up
with what Biff said, you know,with the old man.
Like, if uh if a young boy andan old crazy guy ever come over,
you gotta shoot him, you know.
Um and we also looked up thefact that Biff just straight up
killed George McFly and thentakes his wife.
Like, like just like what?

(56:03):
Yeah, like she was destitute, sonow he takes her, and there was
that scene in the middle of the50s where he yells like he he
was basically like trying tolike fondle her in the street
when she gets her dress for theproblem, yeah, and then he goes,
You'll be my wife one day,Lorraine! You'll be my wife,
which is like such a scaryromantic threat.

SPEAKER_03 (56:24):
Like, what?
That's true.
Like, you may not you may notrealize it for what it is, but
that's love.
That's love for you.

SPEAKER_00 (56:32):
Man, you do that now and you make a movie.

SPEAKER_02 (56:34):
Exactly.
Like, that's oh, and I thinkthat's the other part of it.
It's like like the looseygoosiness of it, like they're
they're they're fine withembracing that.
I don't know.
I'm gonna kick it to one of youguys because I literally could
just uh I could just talk allnight about how much I love this
movie.

SPEAKER_03 (56:51):
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna take over and say that
yeah, it is a rip-roar and goodtime.
Uh they they rip roar right overright through the timeline.
I I do like the 15-year jumps or15-year periods that they kind
of bounce, or no, not 15, uh 20.
30.
30.
Sorry, I'm I'm all over theplace.

(57:12):
Um so 55 to 85 to 2015.
I I like that consistency.
It feels like notable jumps, andit's pretty much every
generation, you know, gets getsan opportunity to um explore
that aspect of history.
I did like that they, you know,attempted uh to explore the

(57:34):
future uh in a meaningful way,uh to Rich's chagrin.
I I I even like in the creditsof the movie, there's there's a
uh a list of like eight peoplethat they put under they call I
think it's like future advisors.

(57:55):
So basically they hired peopleto visualize the future um
meaningfully for this series,and one of those people, funny
enough, is they they spell it uhso it's they it's Doug Chang,
who they spell C-H-A-N-G, buthis actual name is C-H-A-I-N-G,

(58:17):
and he is a concept artist forLucasfilm, and I can see why
they would have hired him to bea you know a concept artist or a
future advisor for the future ofthis uh world, but he got it
dead wrong.
Damn it, Doug, damn it.

SPEAKER_00 (58:38):
I have a question.
Did you all notice the hiddenbaggins?

SPEAKER_02 (58:43):
Oh yeah, I did.

SPEAKER_00 (58:46):
Yes, baby Elijah Woods.

SPEAKER_02 (58:49):
You almost had me, you almost had me, but in the
diner scene when he goes to playthe uh the gun game, and he's
like, You play games with yourhands, that's for babies.

SPEAKER_00 (59:02):
Yeah, man, it's crazy like how young he looks,
man.
He was a baby, right?
And then it's like this moviecame out what in 89?
Yes or and so about what like 10years later, he'd be working on
the Lord of the Rings?
Yeah, man.
So crazy.
Yep, that's so crazy.

SPEAKER_03 (59:22):
That is actually insane.
Um what uh what I what we didn'ttouch on was like in the future,
uh, everyone's kind of hopped upon like augments, like mental
augments or something.
Uh like the the Biff of thefuture, uh what's his name?

(59:43):
Uh Griff.
Griff.
I like it's Griff, yeah.
He he has like a really highpitched voice, and he's talking
really fast and like sometimesstutters, and it's it's like
he's like a like a robot, like,but he's he's he's all like high
on electronics.
Something, it's the most bizarrechoice ever.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:04):
It's it's so funny though, because he's like a
dumber version of Biff.
Oh dude, I love the interactionbetween young Biff and old Biff
because like old Biff likerealizes that he was like really
dumb as a kid, and it's funnybecause I think I think about
that.
I'm like, you know what?

(01:00:25):
If I was in the same like if Iwas in the same boat, I probably
would smack my younger selfupside his head too.
Because like there's a lot ofdumb things that that that that
were done, right?
But it was so funny, like whenhe's like, make like a tree and
get out of here, and then likehe smacks his head.
He's like, it's make like a treeand leave.

(01:00:45):
It's not fun when you say itlike that, or when you say it
wrong.
Dude, it's so funny.
I love that interaction.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:51):
This is like a good movie.
Um, I'm glad we covered thesecond back to the future.
And soon, hopefully, um maybelater this year or early next
year, we'll cover the third onebecause I don't want to wait
super long, you know, betweenbetween films, especially
because I haven't seen it.
So I I want to keep this onefresh in my mind.

(01:01:12):
But remember, guys, Frankensteinby Guillermo, Guillermo del
Toro, uh, the Netflix film thatcame out uh last month.
That's what we're covering nextweek for episode 144 of Project
Ecology.
But thank you so much forlistening to us here for episode
143.
Uh, we we had a good time withour Back to the Future 2

(01:01:32):
discussion.
If you want to check out any ofour socials or show notes, you
can click down in the uh in thebox below.
Uh Anthony is very active onsocial media.
He posts every day.
Uh five times a day.
He's put he's he's he has hishand up.
Uh five he posts five times aday.

(01:01:54):
Uh so be sure to follow him,especially.
Thank you guys.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:58):
Yeah, you know, man.
I'm I'm uh I'm a social mediaholic, man.
I'm just on every moment.
Do I sleep?
No, it's because I'm on socialmedia.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:08):
You got one of those uh augments um uh the the the
mental implants that Biff has.
You know, you just you're atnight, you just like you know,
you just like No, I just wake upyelling, McFly.
Are you in there?
Oh gosh, uh this was a funmovie.
Um, and I'm kind of mad thatI've waited this long to truly

(01:02:29):
appreciate it.
But thank you both for uh beinghere on this journey of mine.
Uh Rich, I want to thank youespecially.
I know that this is a a very uhmeaningful passing of the torch
for you.
Great.
I was so excited.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:41):
Like I said, last time when you guys mentioned
these movies, I was like, yesgo.
Like I don't I I watched it tohumor you guys, right?
But I I I won't I I will admitthis.
Watching both of them, I waslike, man, I know these movies
so well.
Like there was not one scenethat I did not vividly recall

(01:03:04):
step for step.
Uh so it was it was reallyenjoyable.
And uh I do hope we get to thethird one, but uh there is a
monster.
There's a monster in our future,guys.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:14):
We all know you would have watched it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:15):
Oh, and by the way, uh Dakota was saying, yeah, you
know, it's hard because the uhStranger Things came out so far
that I I was rushing to recapand I forgot about this and
that, and I'm like, wait aminute, you didn't watch all
four seasons right beforeThanksgiving Day to wait for it
to come out and then binge thosefour episodes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:33):
No, but now now that I'm like into it and realizing
this is the last season, I dothink I'm gonna go back before
the season's over just to uhrecap it.
And who knows?
Might be a gate critique videoin there somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:47):
Hashtag rewatch everything.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:48):
Hashtag nobody uses hashtags anymore, Rich.
Lock in, clock in.
Um, and it's time to clock out,actually.
Guys, we've been on this for toolong.
Thank you so much for listeningto us here.
Anthony, it looks like you havesomething to say.
It's it's like on the tip ofyour tongue right now.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:03):
No, I'm waiting to sign out.
That that that's that's what'son the on the tip of my tongue.
The sign out.
I'm signing out, control,delete, alt f4.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:13):
Long live the timeline, guys.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:16):
Bye.