Cowboy Bebop, Part 1

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Strap in for a jazz-fueled journey through space as we explore the first half of the legendary anime Cowboy Bebop. This genre-defining series from 1998 follows a ragtag crew of bounty hunters aboard their ship, the Bebop, traveling through a post-apocalyptic solar system where humanity has spread to the stars.

What sets Cowboy Bebop apart from its contemporaries? Nearly everything. From its meticulously crafted animation with no recycled scenes to its revolutionary jazz soundtrack by Yoko Kanno and The Seatbelts, this show broke every convention of what anime could be. We dive deep into the noir aesthetics, the complex character dynamics between Spike, Jet, Faye, Edward and Ein, and the show's unique approach to storytelling that relies heavily on vibes and atmosphere rather than exposition.

The first 13 episodes introduce us to a world that feels lived-in and believable, where technology seems plausible yet fantastical. We explore standout moments like the breathtaking church scene in "Ballad of Fallen Angels" and the horror-inspired bottle episode "Toys in the Attic." Beyond just analyzing the show itself, we discuss Cowboy Bebop's massive influence on western media, particularly its striking similarities to Joss Whedon's Firefly, demonstrating how this anime transcended cultural boundaries to impact science fiction storytelling worldwide.

Whether you're rewatching this classic or experiencing it for the first time alongside our hosts, you'll discover new details and perspectives on what makes Cowboy Bebop one of the most enduring and beloved anime series of all time. Be sure to subscribe and join us next week as we complete our journey through the remaining episodes of this masterpiece. See you, Space Cowboy!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Howdy cowboys.
Welcome to episode 121 ofProject Geekology.
Today we're covering somethingvery special.
It's, uh, we're doing the firsthalf of Cowboy Bebop guys, the
first 13 episodes.
I know we did not tell you whatwe were covering last week.
Surprise, surprise.
We are going to be covering avery classic anime, one that

(00:23):
we've been talking aboutcovering for a while off the
show.
I don't know if we've evertalked about it on the show, but
here we are, we're finallycovering it.
We're going to break it up intotwo episodes, um, and today
we're covering the first 13episodes of cowboy beep up.
Uh, I'm one of your hosts,dakota, and I'm joined, as
always, with anthony, andjoining us, as always, is Rich.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Really excited this week, guys.
But before we talk about thisjazzy riff on anime, what have
you guys been up to this week?

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Ooh, what have I been up to?
Anthony, go ahead, you start.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
What have I been up to, man?
Nothing, really Like.
Honestly, I don't think I'vehad anything really crazy going
on, really just like catching upand watching well, watching
anime, you know, watching thisfor the episode.
But at the moment my brain likeI feel like there might be
something.
I mean, I always do this, Iforget, and then like I might,

(01:21):
and then I remember, like lateron in the episode yeah hence
like, what was it like when Iwent to go?
oh, you had asked me if I'd seenthe minecraft movie, but I
never mentioned it in thebeginning of, like that episode
right, yeah, yeah yeah, um, butyeah, I, I I haven't seen
anything like.
I haven't gone to go seethunderbolts or what else is out

(01:43):
right now that people aretalking about.
I feel like there's somethingelse.
No, dakota, don't do it okay,okay, you're back all righty
sorry, but yeah so scary no, no,you're good, but yeah, so yeah,
I think I'll pass it back to toRich.
You know we're playing a gameof catch a game of catch and
I've been.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
What I've been doing is catching a lot of met games,
uh, and being upset.
You know, uh, we went to playthe yankees this weekend, uh,
big series and uh fell flat onour faces you got one game in
yeah, we got one game in, sothere's another three coming
back.
Uh, in july, the uh, the metsare playing a little bit of
gamesmanship here.

(02:22):
The day before the Yankees cometo town, they're giving out
15,000 free Juan Soto replicajerseys so that hopefully, those
fans will don those over theweekend, the next three days
when the Yankees come to town.
Also, in a very petty move, theMets have a mascot race and so
far this season, there aremascots representing each

(02:46):
borough.
Right, so you have, uh, thestaten island ferry for staten
island, a skyscraper formanhattan, a slice of pizza for
brooklyn, a subway for queensand a giraffe representing the
bronx zoo for the bronx.
However, the giraffe has yet towin.
Uh, is, it is almost comical.
At this point, it has zerovictories, and I think that, uh,

(03:06):
I'm not sure if they're waitingfor the yankees to show up and
maybe give the bronx victory orjust continually having the
bronx lose.
And if that's the case, I Ireally hope somehow the mets
owners is involved.
The mets ownership is involvedin this, like steve cohen said,
yeah, yeah, we should definitelyhave mascot races.
Oh, five bros, I'd love that,but we should have the bronx

(03:28):
lose every time.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Like I just like the idea I do like, I do like the.
I haven't seen the mascots yet,so I don't actually know what
you're talking about, but I dolike the idea that you know the
mets, uh, would have their ownlittle fantasy about the Yankees
losing regularly.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
I you know, and then, and then you know the.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Red Sox have just been letting the Mets know I did
actually.
I watched some of the subwayseries this this past weekend.
It was actually quite a fewreally good games.
I think both teams really didwell.
Just one team did a little bitbetter.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, and I mean, look at the end of the day, the
only reason I want the Mets towin really was just to rub it in
people's faces at work.
That's really all I wanted todo and actually all that ended
up happening was it backfired?
Because I'll just leave it atthis.
My passion seems to ignite inothers.
Uh, the, the, the equal, theequal passion to to denigrate

(04:33):
what I'm passionate about.
I don't know what it is, I, Idon't know.
I think it's my.
My zeal for what I love somehowinspire.
Like it's not just anthony hereon the show, all right, rooting
for every team that the metsare playing against, when I
don't think he watched baseball,like, looked at scores for like
years before this.
I've joined and I've got amentor, a mentee that I work

(04:55):
with, who, who has now learnedevery single player in the mets
just so that she can watch thereplays and then talk trash
about them with me the next day.
So I don't really understand it, but I'm still excited.
It's still early in the season.
I got a couple.
I got three games this weekend.
They got some good giveaways.

(05:15):
I got a bobblehead in there,fireworks night, which is always
my wife's favorite night of theyear.
So I think we're going to turnit around, or or I'm gonna be
really depressed next week, likenext week, if we lose these
three games to the dodgers.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
I uh, I might go into a downward spiral guys I will
say that baseball does have somelike pretty cool nights, like,
uh, every once in a while likeyou might hear of like a
basketball team or even likefootball do like a night.
But it seems like baseball hasa lot like.
Um, I know the marlins recentlyhad like a nurse night and the

(05:50):
reason why I knew about that isbecause I have a friend that's a
nurse and they were like likeman, like I never knew about
that, like my job, never saidanything, but I think that
that's cool.
Yeah, I know there's like starWars Nights.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Oh yeah, I think every team does Star Wars Nights
.
I think it's just like asport-wide phenomenon.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
I think the only thing that doesn't do it
honestly is football.
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
I think football is too short.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Football does do it.
I know soccer does it.
I have a bobblehead somewhereof one one of the jet players.
One of the jets players in ayankee, or in a yankee, um, in a
jedi outfit oh so I definitelygot that from a game was it?

Speaker 3 (06:35):
uh, was it?
Was it brett?
Was it um aaron rogers, in theform of qui-gon jinn, because he
gets injured and dies rightaway.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
I know it wasn't.
I don I.
No, it wasn't Aaron.
I don't know who it was.
It wasn't Aaron Rodgers, though, but yeah, no, it was from like
five years ago or six years ago, something like that.
But yeah, they definitely do itfor football, but I think it's
very regular for, like you, justlook at the schedule they do it
like a couple of times a monthwhere they have giveaways, you

(07:04):
know, in uh and mlb stuff.
So that's, I think that'spretty cool, but rich.
Look at it this way.
You know, for the longest time,they were saying that, uh, the
mlb is a dying sport.
Your, your passion is causing,you know, the vitriol of others
to get involved in the sport.
Thus, you know, elevating thesport to new heights, you know

(07:28):
in its own roundabout way richalone is keeping it alive.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
I get major league baseball should pay me money
because they get more clicks ontheir videos, because people
want to get stuff to be able totalk trash to me about.
I mean, that's it, that's it,yeah absolutely I.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
I literally went online to download a thumbnail
to put on my zoom background,just to mess around with you.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yes, I was like what I like how.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Like when dakota noticed, he immediately just
like started smirking and had topoint it out yeah, I didn't
even see the.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
I didn't even see the red socks logo.
I just saw, like the colors of,uh, like the circular outline
of the logo behind anthony'shead.
It was, it was a beautifulmoment.
Yeah, it was, and you know,anthony actually does have some
boston background in him.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
So yeah, yeah, it's not, it's not completely out of
left gear yeah, here's, yeah,yeah, like I mean men right with
preston.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
You were part of the minute, man with preston.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
I remember fallout 4 yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess
technically we, we all, all ofus who played fallout 4, were
minute men anthony also threw uhtea into a river I did only the
flavors I didn't like oh man,um, what have you been up to
Rich?

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Just finished the hardest, probably part of time
of the year for me at work.
I run testing.
So it's basically like I haveto be quiet and proctor for two
and a half weeks, which is notmy skill set.
So I'm happy to be able to bemy loud, loud, boisterous self
at work again and not have to be, uh, quiet and composed

(09:08):
excellent yeah, I actually havea tough like couple weeks at
work for myself.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
My the bank that I work for is about to go through
a merger, and so we've beengoing through all these like
game plans on like puttingpeople in place, because we know
that a bunch of like all likeall the people from this new
bank are going to start justcalling in like crazy.
So, yeah, like they've beenkind of bolstering up the ranks

(09:33):
and so they have like theregular like workers that are
going to like stay around, butthen they also got a whole bunch
of contractors to help us out.
So, yeah, man, it's, I'm.
I've already been getting somecalls from this like new bank
and I'm like, oh man I have aweird work thing going on too.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Ever since I've been back at work for the past couple
weeks, it's been kind of weirdbecause I'm with a company that
that I know dislikes me, andit's a long, long story.
So I'm a union electrician.
What that means is I get putonto a list.
When I'm out of work andwhenever a shop needs someone of

(10:16):
my skill set, they will takethe top three or four guys from
the list and when I get to thetop, I get pulled to join that
company.
So the company I'm with nowlaid me off in 2019 after I made
uh, them lose probably likehalf a million dollars.
The reason okay, they didn't,it wasn't their money, that's

(10:39):
the thing.
They stole it.
So I I just brought it to theattention of the union.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Oh, yeah, they were like undercutting you guys right
.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, so depending on the job like if it's a public
works job, like a governmentfunded job, state funded
sometimes that qualifies the jobas a prevailing wage job when
it comes to construction.
So when I first started, I wasmaking like bare minimum, like

(11:08):
$13 an hour.
This was back in like 2018,2019.
I was making nothing but Ishould have been making the top
rate because it was prevailingwage.
I was working at a job forthree months that I shouldn't
have been at because you knowthey're supposed to be hiring
like top rated employeesratedemployees for those jobs.
But they were taking all themoney that I should have been
making, which is upwards of $55an hour, and just giving me the

(11:32):
$13 an hour.
So they were just skimming awhole bunch off the top.
And I realized this after alittle while that hey, I'm
working at a school, this shouldbe a public works job.
So I brought it to my union.
Turns out this should be public, a public works job, um, so I
brought it to my union.
It turns out, yeah, um, I wasowed a lot of money, so they
they did have to pay me back.
It was not like a crazy amountFor me, it was at the time it

(11:55):
was 10 grand.
You know like that's the mostmoney I'd ever seen in my life.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Uh, I mean, dude, that's 10 grand that you didn't
have.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
So I mean, that's true 10 grand is 10 grand.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
That was your money that you worked hard for.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
They, the union, the union like audited them,
basically asked for all of theirhours for all of their
employees that could havepossibly fit this bill of them
being like cheated on.
And they probably some peoplelike estimate it's like

(12:36):
somewhere between three and fivehundred thousand dollars that
they have to pay back over thecourse of three years of back
pay.
But it was not their money tobegin with, so they I got I.
After that, um, I was like oneof the first to be laid off from
that job and I didn't expect toever see them again, like I
didn't expect I thought I wasblacklisted, honestly like I.

(12:57):
But I got the call a couple ofweeks ago like hey, you're going
back to this job site.
I was like, are you serious?
Is a joke.
Um, and now the owner of thecompany, whenever he walks into
the, you know like, uh, look atall the work.
He says hi to everybody, exceptfor me, maybe he just doesn't
remember.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
He's like, oh, you're that guy, you're a good worker,
but dang, you're that guy.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, I'm that guy so , all right, that was a long
story, um, where I did the rightthing, got laid off and, uh,
now I'm back to rub it in theirface that's actually hilarious,
though, is like have you beenworking with them for a while
now?

Speaker 2 (13:32):
or, like you, you finish because I remember you
had just started up a job.
Like a month ago did you finishup with them, and then now
you're with some new people no,no, no, I that it's, it's the
same job.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
I came back to it like end of april, um, and I've
been there for about probablyclose to a month at this point.
But yeah, it's, it's been thesame company, it's just.
I'm just like now like comingto grips with like how awkward
it is because like there's somuch of just turning a blind eye
to me, specifically when itcomes to upper management.

(14:03):
Everyone else is fine with me,so I don't have a problem, I
just do my job.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
You should shave your beard and just start speaking
with the mid-Atlantic accentfrom the 1950s.
What kind of voltage you got togo in here, man, and then see
if management just gets confusedand thinks you're somebody else
yeah, it's not like theannouncer from legend of korra
yeah, on today's episode ofgoing to work.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
But, yeah, otherwise, other than that I, as far as
like what I've been up to thispast week not a whole lot I've
been doing I I've continued toplug away at my scripts.
So I'm just, I think I'm justgonna keep giving you like
little updates to my script.
Um, anyone who listens and likecares at all, I'm just gonna
you'll, you'll hear a little bithow I've you know how I've

(14:54):
gotten a little bit further.
So I am now well into the eraof kiyoshi and and I am starting
up her first novel.
I should be starting that uptomorrow.
So that's the next section, thenext chunk of the timeline that
I'm going to be tackling.
But, yeah, upwards of I thinkit's like 20,000 words into the
script, well over an hour longnow it's probably closer to like

(15:18):
an hour 20, hour 25 at thispoint.
It's going to be a really heavyvideo and, again, like kiyoshi
is still like pretty early inthe timeline.
So I'm kind of nervous aboutlike how long this is actually
going to be.
But I'm also excited because,like, I've done a lot of
research online and I think thisis definitely going to be by

(15:40):
far the most comprehensive fantimeline or any timeline that's
ever been attempted for thisseries.
So I'm excited about that.
But other than that, justwatching Cowboy Bebop I'm
excited to jump into that in alittle bit and I don't really
have a lot else going on.

(16:01):
Anything else that you guyswant to bring up.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
They did just announce it's the thing is
avatar news.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
They announced, uh, who they casted for yes, they,
they did, uh, they theyannounced some avatar uh live
action news um for season two,and some of the names are are
pretty, pretty big.
You probably won't recognizethe names off the top of your
head, um, but if you see some oftheir faces, you will recognize

(16:28):
a lot of the people that theyhired.
Um, uh, and it's.
It's looking like they hiredthe right people and I'm hoping
it's better than season one.
Basically, basically.
The best tweet I saw was likethey cast Ditchin Lockman for
Avatar Yangchen in Avatar theLast Airbender, season two and

(16:53):
someone cool tweeted that andsaid goaded casting in what will
undoubtedly be a bad season oftelevision and I love that.
It's really fun and it'stelevision and I love that it's.
It's really fun and it'sprobably true.
I I hope it's not, but thefirst season was just really
okay.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
it was just really okay and avatar should be,
exceptional, you know yeah, yeah, they have yet to be able to
capture the magic of avatar liveaction.
You know, like they did.
You know they did do a lotbetter as far as, like, the look
of the actual bending ascompared to, like you know, that

(17:31):
abysmal movie, but it's still.
You know, we'll see the.
Honestly, the thing thatsurprised me the most and we
have an episode on that was, um,how well they did the live
action one piece and you knowwe're gonna be getting that
second season very soon I'mexcited about that, very excited

(17:52):
about the one piece season.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Two guys, should we jump into some anime?

Speaker 2 (17:56):
yes, we should, um, so I'm not sure.
What was this?
Your first time seeing it,dakota?
Have you seen cowboy bebopbefore?

Speaker 1 (18:04):
um, so I I have never finished the first season, or
it's a, I think it's only oneseason but I've never finished
one season like a movie I'venever seen the entirety of the
season, but I I had watched mostof the episodes that we watched
in this sitting, so I think Ihad seen the first eight
episodes previously and I didn'trealize I had made it that far

(18:29):
into it.
But I was like, oh yeah, this isthe last episode that we
watched, and then I would startthe next one up and I'd be like,
oh yeah, no, I watched this onetoo.
And then eventually, likearound episode nine it was like
a completely new episode and Iwas like okay, all right, this
is actually a new episode for me.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Nice, nice, yeah.
Like I want to know what youboth think about it, because I
mean I've told you that this islike one of my like tops.
Like you know, this is like oneof my favorites as far as like
the old schools, along with, youknow, neon, genesis, evangelion
and yasha.
So I really want to like know,like, what you guys think about
it.
I mean especially rich.
Rich is not the you know I.

(19:08):
I mean, would you consideryourself like a huge anime fan?
I know that you like you know,some naruto but you probably
don't dive too deep into it no,and I know that dakota is, but
he just doesn't.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
He doesn't watch it as much as he'd like I mean I
would, I would at comic-con, Iwould avoid, uh, I would
literally like instruct myfamily, we would uh avoid all
the anime section.
Uh, I, I had no interest, Ididn't want to waste anyone's
time.
It wasn't until charlie gotinto naruto and I mean I, I, I

(19:40):
fought it.
I was like, no, I'm not doingit, I, I just wouldn't.
They they watched it completelythrough and I just uh, you know
then then then it became afamily demand where I was kind
of forced into it and then I Iwatched it to uh annoy them.
I mean I would.
There's this one guy who makesthe clay birds or something.

(20:01):
I hate him so much I can'tremember his name.
Uh, and I I started like hatewatching it, almost I know, or
like at least like watching itjust to see like certain
characters die.
Like I was just like I hoped it, I was like, does this
character ever die?
And charlie would say, yeah, in100 episodes or so.
I'm like, okay, I'm strapped infor this one, like at least

(20:22):
until he dies.
So you guys have definitelyencouraged me to watch more
stuff and I've come into it withum more of an open mind.
I mean, other than, like youknow I'd watch Dragon Ball Z in
the morning before school when Iwas like in high school but I
don't know if that that isn'tfor me.
That was just.
I needed a moving image on thescreen while I I mean, there was

(20:44):
that was anime you know like weprobably we didn't call it that
.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
We didn't call it that.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Well, see, okay.
So then see, like a lot oftimes when so like Pokemon I
mean I was crazy about, butthat's because I wanted to catch
them all, so you know, I meanwe, I mean most of us didn't
consider anime.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Honestly, we didn't even consider Dragon Ball Z
anime.
We all thought it was just adifferent type of cartoon.
But I mean, honestly, it's,it's animation and it's from
Japan, so it's anime, same with.
Yu-gi-oh, yu-gi-oh, it'sanimation and it's from Japan,
so it's anime.
Same with Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh,it's all the same, it's just.
Some are a little bit morecatered to the younger audience.

(21:28):
Obviously, Cowboy Bebop is notoh yeah, totally different.
This is for a little bit more ofa refined taste and the story
is definitely not one that that,um, you know, might grab a lot
of like younger kids.
But like what grabbed me?
Because I, I mean, I had seenit.
It came out in 1998 but Ididn't see it until like a few

(21:52):
years, a few years later, whenit came out on toonami in like
01 and so, like you know, I waslike what, nine going on ten
around that time.
So, and like you know, I'mwatching this and you know what,
what really like got me waslike I really liked the music of

(22:12):
it and it had some really goodaction.
Like that's what got me too.
It was like, oh man, likethere's, you know, fighting,
they're shooting, you know this.
So I mean, obviously, and thencatching like some really late
night inu wash, like fallingasleep with the tv on, and like
inuyasha like being on so rich?

Speaker 1 (22:31):
what did?
What did you think of what yousaw, or at least, what were your
thoughts, at least from thefirst couple episodes?
Going into cowboy biva, becauseyou cut you, you did come in
cold, you know, like you didn'tknow what you were gearing up
for.
But like, what were yourthoughts early on?

Speaker 3 (22:48):
so I won't lie, okay.
So first of all, I was talkingto anthony about this before we
started recording.
I accidentally pressed the subuh version of it on disney right
and then I.
I just wasn't paying attentionso I didn't even realize that
there was a dub at first, so Iwatched the first episode.
I don't I don't really watch alot of stuff with subtitles I

(23:10):
yeah I forced my wife to do thatwhen we watch like shows in
spanish, but most of the timeshe wants to watch them and then
you know she's okay with it.
Uh, I don't really like doingit.
I don't find it to be a reallyenjoyable experience.
So the first episode, I had noidea what I'm going into, right,
I have like I don't know.
I mean, when I heard Bebop Ithought of Bebop and Rocksteady

(23:32):
from the Ninja Turtles.
So I mean, I had no clue.
The intro has like that stylized, almost noir feel.
I know that there's a part thatsays like New York City or like
1941, right.
So I'm like looking at that.
But then it starts and we're inspace and I'm trying to get my

(23:52):
bearings.
You know, I'm like real, I'mjust real confused, all right.
And then I think I watchedhalfway through the second
episode the same way, just kindof a little lost.
There's a part of me that almostfeels like the structuring of
the season could have been,because it starts off like to me
like very hey, this is anotherweek of a kind of I don't want

(24:15):
to call it a police procedural,but like just kind of it almost
seemed like it was going to beoh, this is the.
You know, we have a bountyhunter and we're going to get
the, the bounty of the week,right, like I thought that that
was going to be the structureand then suddenly it kind of
deviates from that.
And when it deviated from that,I think it's in Honky Tonk
Women, when Faye comes on.

(24:35):
Yeah, Once Faye came on, I, Istarted, for for me it started
to pick up traction, like I, Ireally.
And then by the end of this arcthat we're going to talk about
today, the 13 episodes, uh,first I thought that the last
two episodes almost felt like aseason finale to uh, like it did
.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yeah, you know there's a couple.
There's a couple uh moment orthere's a couple points in this
uh, first 13 episodes that Ifelt um season finale.
Ask like there's the episodewhere it's just like, uh, it's,
it's a bottle episode on the ontheir spaceship the beep up and
there's like some alien goocrawling around and it doesn't

(25:18):
really ever explain like howthey all survived.
It's just it feels like the endof the show, like it just feels
like that should have been thelast episode.
You know, like I thought theseguys are dead.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yeah I mean, it just ends like it ends very
beautifully, with thatrefrigerator floating through
space with his leftover.
Uh, was it lobster that he hadgotten and left?
in the fridge for way too long.
It seemed like a this couldhave been pulled, like it could
have almost been like an officeepisode, right like it's like
the horror version.
But I really I think that thatepisode in particular, that's

(25:52):
when it started to hit me that alot of them are done in a style
right like this was like thathorror style, right like that.
You know yeah something on theship.
You know like we've seenhundreds of versions of that
story, you know, but it's stillgood and you know they did it
really well, they did and theydid it in it in its, in its own
way.
But still like, very clearly,this episode style is different

(26:14):
from the next episode or the onebefore it.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
That episode was really unique to me because, um,
I was listening to that one onmy headphones like my AirPods
while I was going to work and Iwas noticing little sound cues
that I don't think I would havepicked up on my TV.
And at first, when the episodestarts, they almost give you a

(26:39):
captain's log from Star Trek.
They almost give you like acaptain's log from Star Trek.
You know they give a date andthen I think they do say
something like captain's log orsomething like that.
And it was very much James TKirk-esque Star Trek.
I really thought that that wasa fun play on it.

(26:59):
And then it jumped into almostlike an alien movie.
You like like you know, really,scott's alien.
And so I was like, okay,they're doing that now.
All right, that's, that'sinteresting.
And then in, you know, like,when they're going into the back
of the ship and they're likestarting to investigate, like
the, the deeper parts of theship and where they find the old

(27:20):
fridge and all that, um, wherethe rock lobster was, they, you
actually hear like the like somesound effects that are from
star trek.
Um, it's like the, the beepingin the control room, like the
beep, beep, beep, and it'sspecifically like the, the
tricorder sound effect and it'slike, oh, that's kind of cool.
So I like that they pullinfluences into this show and

(27:46):
sometimes it's very clear whenthe influences are pulled.
But I feel like there's so muchthat they've pulled for like
the, the aesthetic and the feelof this show, that it's
sometimes like hard todifferentiate like what exactly
is uh, being, I guess, maybe notriffed on, but um, influenced
by um.
But for me, like the, the introgives me, uh, like james bond

(28:11):
vibes.
You know, like the james bondmovies always have that like
really stylistic uh song in thebeginning of the film where, um,
it's a bunch of silhouettes andI don't know, but it's never
really that jazzy.
But uh, this is a a very jazzyshow yeah it, it really is.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
I mean, and and the cool thing is is that you know,
with the title of, like cowboybebop, I mean, you go to, like,
you know, figure out why it'scalled cowboy bebopbop, because
you know they're bounty hunters,but they call the bounty
hunters cowboys and the ship iscalled Bebop, but the intro of
the actual show is in that styleof, and that style jazz Bebop.

(28:56):
You know it's.
It's really cool that I don'tand I don't know if you noticed
that, like I would say, most ofthe episodes are like musically,
they're named after like a,they have like a musical
influence.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Like you know, there's like heavy metal queen
like the honky tonk one I didactually like look up one
particular I think I actually itwas the, the episode that I was
just talking about.
Hold on, let me just look up alist of episodes for cowboy
bebop, because I I feel like theepisode names are based on like

(29:34):
actual songs, like so when Ilooked up, uh it's, it's called
toys in the attic, which is theone with the, the space creature
that was on their ship that'sright yeah, it's an aerosmith,
aerosmith album yeah, theirfirst album.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
I believe that's the one with uh dream on yes, so I?

Speaker 1 (29:55):
I don't know for sure , but I'm pretty.
Oh, bohemian rhapsody is thenext episode, uh, that we have
not watched yet so it's veryclear that, like they named the
episodes after songs or albumsor other musical influences.
Honky-tonk woman yeah, that's,yeah, so definitely yeah, I
thought that was really cool.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Um, dakota, as somebody that, like you know,
kind of grew up in that, youknow that early era of of, like
you know, anime with, like youknow, toonami and dragon ball z
and stuff spike his, his voiceactor, steve bloom, did he sound
familiar to you?
He did and I couldn't pinpointit um, he also does the voice of

(30:35):
tom for toonami no, he does alot of voices, but he does do
tom and toonami.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
You're right.
Yeah, it's really cool because,it's an iconic voice in

Speaker 2 (30:48):
the back kind of very similar to, uh, chris sabat.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, in the back of my head I kept thinking like
he's got such a laid-back voiceand I just I don't know why I
keep thinking about this guy,like you know, just lazing
around and you know speaking,but that's exactly what tom did
and the tsunami like intros anduh stuff so that's cool and it's
so.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
It and his voice like pairs up so well with, like the
demeanor of spike and it's likelike it's like.
It's like the voice actor andthe actual like character, like
lineup, like almost perfectly,or at least he emulates that.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
So like perfectly so I want to.
I want to also like, uh, justbriefly touch on the fact that
this show, you know, likebarring, whether you like it or
not, this show is clearly veryinfluential for for stuff that
has happened after the fact andand the most blatant influence
on popular culture that CowboyBebop has had, at least from my

(31:46):
perspective, from an outsiderlooking into the show.
You know, 26, 27 years later,firefly Firefly has to be based
on this.
The influences are so bizarrelysimilar.
The crew makeup is, uh, very,very similar, including um

(32:07):
edward, uh, he, almost, or Idon't know if edward's a he or a
she.
I think that edward is a she,but um edward is basically the
exact same character.
That river was in firefly.
Um, you know how, like the, thesavant girl in in firefly, yeah
exactly the same and I startedlike thinking about other like

(32:30):
other stuff that it might haveinfluenced, and I think it might
have influenced the lineup orthe character design of the
gorillas.
You know, there's the, there'sa big gorilla, there's the main
singer gorilla, which is spike.
There's the big gorilla,there's the main singer gorilla,
which is Spike, there's thefemale gorilla and then there's
the tiny nerdy gorilla.
I was just like this showdefinitely changed the way

(32:52):
people looked at certainaesthetics.
I like that.
I think it's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
The thing I like about Cowboy Bebop is that you
can obviously, like you know,pin it to it being, you know, a
part of that time, but thecharacters, their design, is
different than the animationthat was around it back then.
Like Dragon Ball Z had likethat very like, kind of you know

(33:19):
, 90s, look to it.
Sailor Moon also had that samelook.
They were very similar cowboybebop.
You know, while some of thecharacter designs are very
similar to that time, the maincharacters don't look that much,
or they don't look too much,like an, like a 90s anime
character.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Like they look, you know, they look beyond that,
they look different and that'sprobably why it was so
influential, because they'relike, wow, you know, like this,
this animation looks great Iwonder how long it took them to
make this show, because I'm I'mwatching just the, you know,
establishing shots for, likebetween scenes, I'm I'm looking
at like the care that they tookto animate like ships and flight

(34:02):
, the stars in the backgroundsand just the little flourishes
that they give certain scenesthat they didn't need to.
There's a lot of extra thatthis show layers on top of each
other and I wonder how long ittook them to make this season,
because you could tell they puta lot of time and money into it.
It looks very expensive.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
one thing to anime go ahead one thing I noticed about
that and you know what I thinkone of the things I don't like
about some anime, like, say, no,just the reusing a lot of the
same kind of shots right to kindof get around yeah, like the uh
, the flying through the trees.
I just can't anymore with that.

(34:45):
But anyway, so I, I couldn'tfind, and now, mind you, I, you
know, I I did one watch through.
I didn't do my, my normal twoor three, like I do before.
I usually watch something withyou guys.
Sure, yeah, but I didn't rich,I didn't recognize anything
really being used more than once.
Like they don't have like astock attack, you know frame

(35:09):
that they layer in there.
Like there's no, because,speaking to what you just said,
like there's no laziness in theanimation.
It's like everything is reallydone painstakingly accurately
and with much attention todetail and look like look how
nice the like hand-to-handcombat looks like it's so.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
it's animated so good , like it's amazing, like you
know, dakota, this is why I'vebeen like trying to get us to to
cover this for so long.
It's so good, I mean, the storyis good, but there's so much to
it.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
And also the musical choices that they intersperse
Occasionally.
It'll be like an action scene.
It'll be two ships chasing eachother through the canyons of
some city, but there's thisbeautiful melody playing in the
background onons of some city.
Yeah, it's, it's like.
But like, there's like thisbeautiful melody playing in the
background on top of this and itjust completely throws you off

(36:06):
guard.
But you're in, you're justglued to the screen because it's
such a juxtaposition of umintense action and like just
beautiful melody.
The the first time that I, I,you know, I, I recognized that
this is a well-crafted,beautiful show from episode one.
You know it's it's hard not tolook at this and be like, okay,

(36:28):
I see what they're doing here.
This is like high art in termsof, you know, anime, as far as
anime goes but, it wasn't untilthe episode um, let me look at
the list of episodes again.
Uh, ballad of fallen angels,where spike faces off against um
vicious, and it's a characterthat we didn't really know prior

(36:50):
to this point, but he has some,you know, intense history with.
He gets shot or pushed out ofthat like stained glass window
and it's just a slow motion forlike two minutes of a song
playing, as his memories, youknow, overlap.
And it's just like that's themoment when I first watched this
, like a year, a couple yearsago, at this point, that I was

(37:13):
just like, oh, this is somethingreally special, this is
something that is like just Idon't even understand what's
happening, but I can tell thatthis is a beautiful moment and
whoever made this was a genius,you know.
Like that's that's the level ofrespect that that particular
scene garnered for.
Like, with me, rich, I don'tthink you've you've said whether

(37:35):
you like it or not at thispoint and you know, if you
didn't like it, it's fine.
But like, what are your overallopinions now that you have seen
the first 13 episodes?
Like, did you have that ahamoment?

Speaker 3 (37:46):
like I did, yeah I think maybe all right so that I
can remember seeing that scene.
And I'm glad you said I don'tknow what's going on, because
there's a part of me that waslike, uh, what's going on?

Speaker 1 (37:59):
uh, you know there's a lot of that, even even up to
like episode 13.
You know, I'm just I'm stilltrying to piece together the
like the, the background historyof like all these individuals,
and I'm just like okay, sovicious is with julia, or maybe
he isn't, maybe he's just usingthe name.
I don't know what's going on,but this is cool, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Yeah, it's it's like I think I'm gonna go back to one
of my refrains, but, uh, Ithink I'm gonna need, like, I
think a second watch is going tohelp me enjoy it more.
So at first like, and I pop,possibly because of also the
experience with the sub right.
So I'm feeling verydisconnected and lost as I'm

(38:38):
watching episode one, you know,I'm like I don't, I don't know,
did you ever go back to to watchthe episodes dubbed, or you
just kept going?
so once I realized that forepisode two, I, from two on I,
was watching them dubbed okay,sure yeah, so I just didn't
re-watch one, uh, so I, you know, so episode two was kind of
like, in some way, my episodeone, so I was still kind of, you

(39:01):
know, getting bought in bythree.
I started to that's is thatwhen honky tonk woman, when faye
comes in, uh, yes, yeah, Ithink she just added a dynamic
uh to the team that, uh, I was,I was enjoying a little bit more
.
Uh, it was kind of the wildcard, you know.
So, uh, that kind of drew me inand tell me, the corgi didn't do

(39:24):
it for you I mean, the corgi ispretty cool, you know, and I
was also trying to understandthe universe, because you have
the, the red eye spray, and thenyou got the, the uh, benjamin
button guy, uh, you know, likethere's a, there's a lot going
on.
It does a lot of pushing theboundaries.
I, I and I'm not sure if thisis an anime thing, because I
remember one of my issues withnaruto was I felt like there was

(39:48):
never a cap to what someone'spowers could possibly be like.
You know okay now this guy canmake puppets, they're humans and
this, and I'm like what and I'mlike, but how?
How does this happen?
Like in my understanding ofthis, like that's not a possible
ability right, right, the powerscaling doesn't have an end.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
So with stuff like naruto, even like dragon ball z
and stuff, yeah you know.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Uh.
So here, what I was kind ofgrappling with at first was like
you know what's possible inthis world, what's not possible?
So I guess, very long answer.
I did not like it at first butby the time I ended episode 13 I
wanted to watch 14.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
I just didn't have time yeah, and I I think the
there there are a lot of likelittle things that, um, the show
plays with in terms of liketrying to slowly introduce you
to the boundaries of the lore,like that episode that you
mentioned I think it's theepisode six, sympathy for the

(40:52):
devil where you have thatcharacter who has been a kid for
who knows how long at least 50years, but possibly longer and
we don't really understand whyhe was a kid.
I think they kind of likeexplain it in like a hand wavies
type of you know techno jargon.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
But they didn't.
Really it's not a strong enoughexplanation to like explain,
really get you to latch onto it,but it's one of those things
that like okay, I guess, forwhatever reason, there is a
possibility that this guy isbasically immortal, unless X, y
and Z happens.
But yeah, that's probably theone episode that the power

(41:35):
scaling just seems a little outof the box, because for the rest
of the series everyone, everyother character is fairly normal
ish.
You know like they're, they're,you know extremes, but they're
still, you know, within thebounds of, you know like they're
, basically martial artists yeah, he was a ghoul he was a ghoul

(41:56):
yeah, he was a ghoul.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
He just looked like a child instead of a zombie there
you have it.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Anthony has the answer for us.
Anthony, what are your?
What are your thoughts?
Uh, now that you've seen it acouple times, um, you're coming
back to it fresh.
Do you find that you're, you'rehearing, uh, rich, and I kind
of come to this, um, fresh,where we don't know the full
story, we have yet to see thefull season.
We don't know the full story,we have yet to see the full

(42:21):
season.
We don't know if any of theseconnections are eventually going
to make sense.
You know, like a lot of sense,I should say, because right now,
it seems as if we're likeputting pieces onto a puzzle and
it's starting like a picturestarting to form.
So, as an insider, looking, youknow, listening to two
outsiders talk about the showthat you love, how do you feel?

(42:43):
Like are we?
Are we in for a wild ride withthe next couple, with the next
handful of episodes, or like isthis?
Is this notion of like, being alittle bit confused, going to,
you know, be prevalentthroughout the entirety run, the
entire run of this?

Speaker 2 (43:00):
yeah, no, you're definitely in for a wild ride,
but they, they do, they doexplain things.
Um, especially, you know itgoes back and explains the, the
relationship of you know viciousa little bit, but you know they
, they explain that moreobviously.
You know what.
What's going on with uh julia,you know, yeah, definitely, man,

(43:22):
it's, it doesn't.
I mean, I don't know if you'veseen, like the, the rating on uh
rotten tomato, and you know Idon't always like go based on
just reviews solely.
I also like to go based on myown experience.
But still, like rotten tomatoesand even like the, the audience
score is like really high forit and so, like you know, if you

(43:46):
didn't get some sort of likeexplanation or if you felt kind
of like unsatisfied, you know Idon't think that it would be
that high up, you know right andI don't.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
I'm not saying that I'm dissatisfied, uh, because
I'm right, I'm enjoying the ride.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
You know you still have a whole 13 episodes to go.
So, no, no, I'm absolutelybuckle in man, because it's
going to be a wild ride, man.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
So I find that throughout the show it really
relies on vibes quite a bit,because not a lot of the
characters are super likable.
You have, you have, uh, fayevalentine, who you know drawn
very pretty.
She's a very insufferablecharacter.
Otherwise, you know, like she'smeant to be written that way.

(44:32):
And um spike is often, you know, very flippant with the other
people on his crew.
Jet barely wants to be present,you know, and anything, uh,
that's probably the wrong, uh,characterization of jet, but you
know what I'm saying, like he,he's, he's very gruff and he's,
he's the angry old man on the onthe crew and he is, but like,

(44:54):
or he comes off that way, butthat's not like a hundred
percent the truth, because yousee how he's gone to go save
spike and he and he's gone to gosave fey.
Yeah, at this point, we we haveseen that, so it it is true that
he has.
Uh, he's an old gruff guy witha heart.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
You know he doesn't want to see this team uh fall
apart absolutely.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
And then, and then you have a young edward that is,
you know, like a genius hackeryeah, so far I have not like, I
guess we haven't really seen youknow like why they brought this
kid on on board um so I'm alittle I I don't know enough
about edward to like, really,you know, make a a judgment one

(45:34):
way or the other.
Like edward, I keep, I keepwanting to say he, it's a she,
edward, um, outside of theepisode that they that
introduced her, we haven'treally gotten a whole lot of use
out of in terms of pushing thestory forward, so I don't want
to comment too much on thatright, right, yeah, I mean you

(45:54):
can whatever.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Well, yeah, no, I don't.
I don't want to dig too deepinto it because you know we have
like a whole other, you know 13episodes to go.
But I mean, as far as like, Imean the, the initial reason why
edward is there is because youknow they were kind of in a bind
and fey made a promise and youknow they're about to break that
promise.

(46:15):
But you know edward hacked theship that's true.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Yes, uh, edward did hack the ship is.
Is edward another character,rich, where you feel like the
power scaling is a little bit uhbonkers or is like a tech
genius, not in that same vein?

Speaker 3 (46:35):
I mean, the age is the only thing that throws me
off.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Sure, yeah, that doesn't throw me off at all.
I mean especially like with,with what, like you've seen some
of these child prodigies thatthey can do that like I mean the
, the scaling of the hackingmight be a little bit crazy, but
it, but it being like an agelike you really just can't throw
it out there.
I mean there's there's likefive, six year olds that are

(47:00):
like playing, you know, violinon a scale that like some adults
can't, you know I teach honorskids, four classes of almost 18
year olds.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
I've been doing that in this school for almost six
years.
Man, these kids can't get theirpasswords in like I, I, I just
so I, I guess that's I, and Iknow where you're coming from.
It's just, I guess, because thisis my daily life, like I was
also the technology coordinatorby old school, uh, and at my new

(47:34):
school, uh, you know, noteverybody knows this, uh, but
some of my friends know that I'mI'm pretty good with tech, so
they'll give me a ring if theyneed something.
And, man, if it involves astudent, like I find like even
more and more I'm gonna stopyelling at the clouds like an
old man, but I'm finding moreand more that my students have
very fancy devices but don'tknow how to change settings,

(47:57):
work things.
Yeah, there's I.
I have found that there'salmost.
It's almost like we're, we're,we're in so much technology that
they, they don't even botherfiguring out how it works,
they're just happy it does yeah,well, well, I mean that that's
why it would be like a prodigy.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
You know, like you, you can't really like compare a
prodigy to like your every,every day, like just kid.
But it seems like most, mostkids, they, just they.
They want to go in.
Like going to school for kidsis like how we go to work, it's
like I just want to come in, getmy paycheck and just go, that's
it, that that's that's likereally, that's really like what
school is kind of like.

(48:35):
But I mean they're, they're the, the few like from time to time
that are just really good at it.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Yeah, I mean there's.
There is like a.
I mean we have a student whowent to our school who's like
now, uh, I don't know, um soldhis company for like a hundred
million dollars, or he's somesort of just uh, just genius.
Uh, yeah, so, no, I totally uhit.
No, I totally uh it's.
I think it's like so, does Edhave parents?

(49:03):
I think I'm a little like hazyon like why I think they so with
Ed or Edward.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
They kind of pair him with the disembodied voice of a
satellite that's just beenorbiting earth for who knows how
long.
The satellite itself is verylonely and ed also seems to be
very lonely.
We don't see ed with anyoneelse other than the people that

(49:32):
show up at her door.
So I have a feeling that youknow the, the fact that you know
we got to see the vocalizationof this forgotten satellite who
is very lonely.
I think that that is in partmeant to symbolize Ed's

(49:53):
loneliness and the desire forfriendship.
So I don't think that herparents are around, basically,
Gotcha.
That's how I interpret it anyway.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
It's a good interpretation, Dakota.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Thank you, friend.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Yeah, like I know that you know this is kind of
like out of your wheelhouse, butdefinitely I would say, you
know, give it.
I mean, if you want to,obviously, if you have the time,
give it more.
You know more watches, rich.
I mean like I've given it,given it, you know a few or so
watches like over the years andso, like you know, and I guess

(50:31):
like you can kind of like tossin a little bit of like you know
, because they have a liveaction, so like I saw that.
So it's like pretty much likewatching that story like over,
but like in a live action kindof format.
But yeah, man, like I the thebiggest thing, the, the thing
that always like gets me when Ithink about cowboy bebop, though
, is just like how amazing thatscore is like I know we've

(50:53):
talked a little bit about it,but like if I have any liking or
if I have like any enjoyment ofjazz it started with Cowboy
Bebop.
Like you know, I wouldn't saythat like I'm a big like
aficionado of jazz, Like I'm notgoing to go crazy to listen to
it, but I love the style of jazzthat is like represented in

(51:15):
this and, like you know, theyeven have some, like you know,
big bands, you know tracks thatare in there too.
That just it fits it.
Just it fits the, the vibe ofthe show and, and it's almost
like a like you you could callthis like a kind of like, in a
way like a space opera, you knowyeah, definitely, it definitely

(51:36):
has space opera vibes, vibes Iwas.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
I kept finding myself intrigued by the level of world
building that was and wasn'tshowcased.
We, we obviously know that thisis a post-apocalyptic future
for man, that you know they'vesomehow made their way across
the, the solar system.

(52:02):
Basically it does.
I don't think they have gonepast the solar system, at least
we haven't seen that yet.
Um, it's always been in, likeyou know, in the asteroid belt
or the ganymede mars, you know,like, okay, we've been to earth
one time.
Um, so it's I.
I find that that is kind of cool.
It almost's in the level oftechnological advancement that

(52:27):
you'd see in something like theExpanse.
But I found that the less theytell us, the more interested I
get, if that makes sense,because they'll show us a world,
they'll show us a casino planetor a casino asteroid or
something.
They'll show us people wantingto go to Mars or whatever.

(52:47):
But they never really explainhow this all happened.
I don't even think there's acoherent.
As a timeline guy, I probablyshould have done my research and
figured out exactly at leastwhat decade we're in, and I did

(53:08):
look at a couple dates in thebackground.
I know we're over, you knowlike we're well into the, the
21st century, but, um, I don'tknow exactly when these, when
this show is supposed to havetaken place, um, but but I do
like the idea that the less theyshow us or the less they give
us in terms of exposition, themore we just get by on vibes,

(53:30):
and the show is a lot of vibes,basically.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
I don't know if I'm making sense there it is.
And the thing I like aboutCowboy Bebop and obviously a lot
of it is, you know, based inscience fiction.
But I I kind of also put startrek in like the same kind of I
guess it's like same kind ofbubble.
Is that like the technology, ora lot of the technology that is

(53:56):
used in cowboy bebop isbelievable?
You know, like I would say thatthe spaceships and everything
that was kind of used in, uh,cowboy bebop was like something
that I could see like actuallybeing real.
The one, like one of the thingsthat that was a little bit, you
know, I would say, based offscience fiction, is like, you
know, it's like stargates, right, and I thought that those

(54:18):
looked really cool.
I mean, I loved like that theyhad like a whole notion of
Stargates and that was theirversion of hyperspace and that
if something happens within aStargate, if you close that
Stargate out, that matter, thatyou could see that matter, but
it's not part of that physicalplane.

(54:39):
Yeah, that was so sick.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
That was really cool.
That's one of those momentswhere I was just like okay, so
in physics class they learnedthat, you know, things traveling
through hyperspace are visibleto the eye, but not that they
can't, you know, interact withthings on this plane of reality.
So now we're talking about,like, multiple planes of reality
, um, that they're playing with,um, but but yeah, even just

(55:02):
like the, the jump pointsthrough the, the stargates.
I thought that was super, supercool, um, and I think that they
showed that, like in the veryfirst scene of the first episode
, we, we, we start getting likethese heavy sci-fi concepts in,
you know, interplanetary, liketravel, and it all looks and
feels very believable and it'snot overly polished.

(55:22):
You know, like the, theanimation is overly polished.
It's, it's beautiful animation,but what I'm saying is like the
in universe look to it is isgritty and dirty and it doesn't
feel lived in.
Yeah, yes, it feels lived in.
Yeah, it's, it's reallyinteresting good stuff.
Man, I'm I'm happy we're doingthis.
Um, we haven't done a whole lotof anime, uh, project Ecology,

(55:42):
just in general, but since we'vehad Rich on, we've actually
covered a couple anime topics,which I'm happy about.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Yeah, I mean, with Rich being here, we definitely
got to up the ante on anime to,you know, up the ante on um, on
anime.
And I would say, you know, youknow buck, you know buckle up,
or you know, buckle up your seatbelts.
And, uh, you know, the reasonwhy I throw that little joke in
there is because that's the nameof the, that's the name of the,

(56:14):
the group that does the score,they're called the seat belts oh
yeah, that intro sequence iscalled tank.
Um, one of my favorites like Ihave like just a bunch, like a
lot of tracks that I like.
One of my favorite tracks isit's called rush and it's in
that first episode when he'sfighting.

(56:35):
When he's fighting oh my gosh,what's his name?
I always forget his name.
I mean, he's only in oneepisode.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
So it's not, yeah, the the guy who takes too much
of the.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
The red eyes red eye yeah so it was like it was like
our many.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
No, it was like some as a mob, as that's what it is
yeah, so so there's a trackwhere he's like he's fighting um
as a mob and like I love thattrack.
It's called rush, it's uh, it'sjust like you know, high, just
high speed jazz and like reallyawesome.
I think that one's called um,it's not called b-bop, I think

(57:12):
it's like hard bop or somethinglike that, but it's dude.
Yeah, man, like I could talkabout the, the score of this
anime like all day.
It's just like it's one of myfavorites and like you know,
even, yeah, like, like you said,like, even like the tracks are
just kind of like interspersedthroughout the different scenes.
You know nothing that, not evenanything that like huge and

(57:34):
over the top for the scene, justlike kind of, you know,
transition scene.
It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
So I'm looking through our episodes, uh, so
we've done a couple animeepisodes with you rich, uh,
starting with the lord of therings, the war of the rohirrim,
which which was, uh, directed inin it was an anime that you
know is is translated intoenglish um, and then a couple
weeks later we did the Boy andthe Heron, which was definitely

(58:02):
throwing you into the deep endof Hayao Miyazaki.
But you know, I'm glad you cameout on top and you're still
here, you didn't?
You didn't you know?
Dip.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
After that I was surprised you guys take me on
some rides, but you know a lotof it's just it's just trying to
get into the world a lot for memost of the time.
I mean, I won't lie, the War ofthe Warherum yeah, it's anime.
That's how I got Charlie to gowatch it.
But I was strictly there forthe Lord of the Rings content,

(58:35):
of course.
That's what I wanted.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
And I think that's the thing.
Anime is just a medium.
There are so many differenttypes of anime and animation and
we've covered a bunch ofdifferent animated type stuff on
the show.
We did the first season ofLegend of Korra, we've done the
Dragon Prince, we did Prince ofEgypt, we did, like I said, boy
in the Heron and War of theRehirim, and I think that's it.

(59:00):
Yeah, I think that's it.
Yeah, I think that's it.
Oh no, we did tales of theunderworld too.
So there's a whole bunch ofdifferent animated stuff and at
like, I'm talking, you knowcartoons in general, but when it
comes to anime, specificallyfrom japan, um, it does start to
have a more streamlined feel,but even then there are there's
so many different varietieswithin that.

(59:23):
And again, it's just a medium.
You know, like you, you cangive someone a paint, a
paintbrush, and you know it'stechnically a painting, but you,
everyone's gonna paintdifferently, you know.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
So, yeah, I think that you're right that's pretty
cool, are we?

Speaker 1 (59:38):
are we covering the next 13 episodes of Cowboy Bebop
next week?

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Yeah, of course we usually finish things off.
I don't think that we wouldintersperse it like that.
Just for that comment, Anthony.
Just for that comment.
That would be crazy.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
We're covering Dragon Prince Season 2 next week.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
No, I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
No, we're definitely going to finish up Cowboy Bebop.
I'm enjoying it.
Did you say that there's a filmas well?

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Is it a sequel to the series or is it a recut of the
series?
What am I supposed to knowabout this film?

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
I don't remember.
I think the movie is is.
I think it is a sequel.
I think it's just like cowboybebop the movie yeah, that like
that, the movie, I had seen it.
I think I've seen the moviemaybe a couple times, but, like
a while ago, I've seen the animemore than I've seen the movie,
I think I think the movie, if Iremember correctly, I don't, I

(01:00:41):
don't think it was, I don'tthink it was particularly bad or
anything.
I'm just trying, I'm trying toremember the details of it.
But yeah, yeah, I just I justhave flashes of memories but,
like you know, with, uh, withlike the actual anime, yeah,
like I mean, I, you know there'svivid memories, especially,
like you know, I'm thinking likeback on, like the end of the

(01:01:04):
anime and like, how you know,it's like I'm I'm excited to see
like what, what you guys thinkabout it yeah, I'm excited to to
, because next week is totallyuncharted territory for me,
specifically because I hadwatched most of this week's um
stuff previously, so I wascoming back to it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
But next week will be all new stuff for me and all
their stuff for rich, so, uh,rich is, it'll be cool.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Rich is on the island , you know.
He, uh, he crashed there, youknow, and there's a polar bear
on that island and some blacksmoke monster that speaking you
know speaking of polar bears.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Uh, you know, peter loss reference dakota yeah, but
I know you were going with lost.
I just uh, I wanted to beobnoxious and uh tell you that
peter lonzo is also known as thepolar bear peter lonzo is a
mets player for those, oh sorry,sorry who have no idea what
we're talking about daddy, youcan let me in with that crowd

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
I just did the whole red socks thing, you know, just
to mess with rich anthony.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Anthony is like wait, I don't remember a pete alonso
in cowboy bebop, who's pete?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
I, I was like even thinking like, oh, I don't
remember that that person andand lost I'm actually richard
from lost, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
That's who I actually am.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Wow, we're rambling, guys.
Let's bring it to a close.
We will see you next week, orhear, you will hear from us next
week, dear listener.
Hopefully you can catch up andwatch some Cowboy Bebop with us,
because we're going to betalking about the next 13
episodes of the series and we'reexcited to you.

(01:02:43):
Know, see what happens, learnwhat happens.
You know, between spike andvicious, why do they hate each
other or love each other?
I don't know what theirrelationship is I really don't,
but it's.
It's tenuous.
It's a tenuous relationship.
We're gonna learn more about itnext week, guys uh, you know
what's not.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
So if you want, tell me, do you know what's not
tenuous?
I think, uh, I think what's nottenuous is uh something juicy
oh yeah, something juicyspecifically.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Well, you know it was a little tenuous there was.
You know they, they left the,the lobster in the fridge for a
year and they open it.
It's, it's incredibly juicy inthere, um, and it causes them to
get extremely sick becausethere's now like a rabid, uh
juicy alien running through the,the ship.
But you know, to bring thisright back around, there might

(01:03:33):
have been some crunchies inthere too there might have been.
It was a rock lobster apparently.
Um, so yeah, it was definitelya little bit of crunch, a lot of
juicy, but uh, you know what,what should be juicy?
And I, I, I didn't really likethe alien, I, I thought it was
too juicy.
You know what would beabsolutely like?

(01:03:54):
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Give us a five star review, ajuicy five star review.
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(01:04:14):
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Uh, you'll be able to check outwhere we are on the web and
learn, you know, more about ourday-to-day lives that way.
But anyway, guys, see you nexttime.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
See you space cowboy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Ooh, I love that the Wolverine.
I love how rich.
Gotta keep that going.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
You can cut it, I don't care, I just I know, no,
we gotta keep it, we got.
Bye, guys, bye.